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March 29, 2023 - The StoneZONE - Roger Stone
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A Peaceful Strategy of Resistance Against the Deep State w/ Floyd Brown
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And now, Lindell TV brings you The Stone Zone, with legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit, Roger Stone.
Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues, and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
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Today, I have a very special guest.
A comrade in arms, if you will.
Floyd Brown, along with many others, including myself, were early activists in the modern American conservative movement.
He was a founder of Citizens United when I was a founder and the first treasurer of the National Conservative Political Action Committee.
We both had a long journey, both of us, becoming soldiers in the army of Jesus Christ.
We both had a lot of time to reflect and think about where the country has been and where it is going.
Floyd Brown, the founder of the Western Journal, one of the most respected publications on the internet today, joins me now for a vigorous discussion of those questions.
It's great to be with you, Roger.
I'll tell you, I thought you were going to say we both have a lot of bruises and bumps and scrapes from all of those years of political activity because we have all those too.
Well, I like to see the glasses half full as opposed to glass half empty.
And it is definitely true that both of us are very, very different people than we were Decades ago when we began this journey.
But one of the reasons I'm excited about your being on the show is because you've had time to reflect on where this movement for freedom has been, what's going on currently, and where we must go.
It has been great to reconnect with you after many years.
You were, I want to remind people, on the forefront of those Who exposed the actual record of John Kerry, the Democratic candidate for president, and a Vietnam veteran who falsified much of his record.
You were on the forefront of the modern American conservative movement, and therefore I think you have a lot to tell us today.
You and I had a brief conversation a little while ago in which you kind of outlined your historical overview of where the country has been.
So, kind of beginning with the Reagan Revolution, which, believe me folks, was just like the nomination of Donald Trump.
It was a hijacking of the Republican Party by those dedicated to conservative principle.
It's hard to remember this, but Ronald Reagan was Hardly the favorite of the Republican establishment or of the Washington establishment.
And his nomination and election really did bring a substantial sea change to American politics.
So why don't we begin it there, Floyd?
Well, yes, I think that's a great spot to begin.
What you saw with the Reagan revolution, and I remember I was actually working in the 1980 Reagan campaign.
I was the state youth coordinator for the state of Oregon.
Before that, I'd been on the National Board of Young Americans for Freedom and active in the original YAF.
And so I was, you know, involved in the conservative movement.
It was actually a much smaller movement in those days.
But I went back to college and I graduated in 1983 and I wanted nothing more than to load my belongings.
I'm originally from Seattle in the back of my Mustang and drive to Washington D.C.
and be a part of the Reagan Revolution.
And that is what we saw it as.
It was a total and complete revolution.
You know, when you're involved in that, you just, you have so many expectations of how the country's gonna change and what is, what the future's gonna look like.
And I remember after I was there a couple of years, one of my mentors, Stan Evans, who I know you knew, Roger, he said to me, and this is one of the lines that's just stuck with me for so long.
He said, you know, Floyd, before we came to Washington, We knew this place was a cesspool.
But now that we've been here a couple of years, you know, it's really kind of like a hot tub.
And that is what happens with these reform movements.
So not only did we have, you know, first the Reagan Revolution, this is in my lifetime, then we had in In 1994, the huge Gingrich wave with the Contract for America.
That was a major wave.
No one expected the Republicans to capture the House of Representatives, but they did.
And that was really kind of a washout.
And then we had the Tea Party movement, which started in 2009.
Yeah, that led to a fantastic wave election of 2010.
And that also, just like the earlier movement, it was a wave that washed out.
And then we had the MAGA movement, which captured the country in 2016.
And one of the things I've, you know, I've got this new book coming out called Counterpunch.
One of the things I have been wrestling with is why do we have so much trouble We're creating change.
Why are we ineffective on the right?
And my conclusion is we just don't follow the grassroots playbook that the Democrats are so good at.
And really, if we want to take this country back, we're not going to look to Washington, D.C., and we're not going to have Ronald Reagan ride in on his white horse as much as I love Ronald Reagan and love him to this day.
We're not going to be saved by Newt Gingrich coming to Washington.
We're not even going to be saved by Donald Trump if we don't work for systemic change in the country.
And the way you have systemic change is by working from the grassroots up.
And the left does this very, very well.
Right now, the question is, how did all of these LGBTQ transgender activists end up on school boards all over the country?
Well, they ended up on school boards all over the country because they work from the grassroots up.
And shame on the megachurch, which was across the street from the school that didn't even show up for that school board election.
If we want to really change America, we're going to change it street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, recapturing town halls, recapturing county courthouses, and recapturing sheriff seats, and really rebuild the country from the bottom up.
And that's what the left does so well.
They have this farm team that is constantly moving up.
And we're much too messianic on the right, looking for some leader to come in and save us.
No, if we're going to save this country, we need to look in the mirror, and it's you and I, and everybody, grabbing the oar and pulling and changing America.
Well, our mutual friend, General Michael Flynn, who is truly one of the greatest Americans, one of the greatest patriots it's ever been my privilege to know, and a man who I am absolutely convinced his greatest public service lies ahead.
But as the General likes to say, local action has national impact.
And you're absolutely right.
In fact, it's a little worse than you describe it.
Not only do the activists at the left run for the school board or the county commission or the town council, but the folks at the megachurch in many cases actually discourage any discussion of politics in their pews or in their ranks.
And they actually look down on those who are politically active.
We can't afford to do that, in my opinion.
It's got to change.
It has to change.
You're absolutely correct, Roger.
And if there is a mistake by Donald Trump, who achieved an enormous amount for this country, given the implacable opposition of the two party duopoly who opposed his election.
And in fact, we now know, was systematically trying to remove him from office from the actual second he was sworn in.
It was an incorrect assumption.
That there were, you know, basically two groups in Washington, the Republicans and the Democrats, and that the Republicans would support him as they had previous Republican presidents, and the Democrats would oppose him, but that everyone wearing the jersey with the R on it was on his team.
We now know that that was not the case.
It almost pains me to say this, because as a former young Republican National Chairman, I have a deep sentimental attachment to the party of Goldwater and the party of Reagan, the party of Bob Dole, the party of Donald Trump.
But the truth is that both of our major parties are in it together at the leadership level.
It is one uniparty.
It is run by a group of Global and moneyed elites really have no ideology other than the ideology of central control and control of the money supply and therefore control of the populace.
That said, I think you'd agree with this, Floyd, it is unrealistic to think that a new third party or new independent party is going to rise
Because the rules regarding the formation and even getting on the ballot for parties are written by Republicans and Democrats working together to make sure that both intra-party competition is almost impossible and then general election competition is even more possible.
What do you think?
Oh, you're absolutely correct.
The second chapter in my book is, what if they created a uniparty and failed to announce it?
And I think there is a unit party.
I mean, we saw this really front and center just a week ago when Tucker released the videotapes from January 6.
And, you know, you expect Chuck Schumer, the majority leader of the Senate, to go to the floor and denounce Tucker and to do it and denounce Fox News and denounce Murdoch.
But it was it was really It should have been shocking to everyone to see Mitch McConnell, you know, go right up to the podium after that and engage in the very same attack.
But it wasn't just Mitch McConnell.
It was a number of Republican senators that really tried to reinforce what we now know is a false narrative.
And that false narrative is that Donald Trump attempted some kind of coup after the 2020 elections.
I mean, that was false from the beginning.
He never attempted a coup.
He did try to actually have Congress do its job, which they didn't do, and even to this day they didn't have a quorum for the vote that put Joe Biden into office.
There's constitutional, major constitutional issues with what happened that day and none of them are Donald Trump's fault.
Instead, they're the fault of the Uniparty.
So on that question, I agree with you totally.
Total Uniparty.
As to whether or not a new party can come forward, That's really impossible because of the exact reason that you said.
The truth is they have been writing laws that protect the duopoly of the Republican and the Democrat Party really since the Republican Party emerged after the Civil War.
And now those two parties are so entrenched by law Both at the state level and the federal level, it's really impossible to change that dynamic.
It's just not possible.
I mean, they even get discounted postage.
Most people don't realize this, but both the Democrat Party and the Republican Party, they mail at a discount postage rate, and if a new party was formed, They wouldn't get that postage rate by law.
Only those two parties get it by law.
It makes it almost impossible to change that.
But thirdly, you brought up another point, which is an important point people don't understand, only those of us who've been involved in the mechanisms of the Republican Party.
And, you know, I was for years very deeply entrenched in the Republican Party.
I served on the platform committee at the 1996 convention, and I've been a delegate.
I'm going to say to at least three, maybe four conventions.
And so having been involved in that, what you do learn is that it's almost impossible for conservatives or for the MAGA movement to capture the Republican Party because of the way they have built barriers to entry on the part of activists to actually have impact on those party vehicles.
Mostly at the state level, sometimes even at the county level, but definitely at the national level where you just have a hundred, I don't know, 168 people that vote on who the national chairman is going to be.
It's a very limited group of insiders that control everything.
Very, very well put.
You made reference in the beginning of your comments to M. Stanton Evans.
One of the founders of the modern American conservative movement.
One of the founders of Young Americans for Freedom at age 26.
The editor of the Indianapolis Star.
His book, Blacklisted by History, which is a true history of Senator Joseph McCarthy.
Called it one of the greatest book ever written.
It's one of the best books ever.
It's a great book.
And every American, if they want to understand, if they want to understand what was going on at that time period, they have to read that book.
Because that was one of the first examples of the UNA party or the Deep State coming together to destroy a United States senator who was trying to expose the communist infiltration of the U.S.
government, which was massive almost immediately.
We're such an open society and we're so naive Just absolutely naive.
We were infiltrated then and we're also infiltrated right now.
We probably have more infiltration into the agencies now than we've ever had At any point in time by hardcore Marxists.
And, you know, the key to understanding these Marxists is they don't believe in the Constitution.
So when they take an oath of office and they say, we're here to protect and defend the Constitution, they're lying.
The first act that they take when they join office is to lie.
And that's because their goal is to subvert the America that you and I love.
Well, history, to a great extent, always repeats itself.
In the 1980s, only because Carl Bernstein was very angry about Bob Woodward, his partner, the two reporters who broke open the Watergate story and Bernstein began to believe that his buddy Woodward was trying to cut him out of some of the profits.
He came forward in a seminal piece in Rolling Stone exposing Operation Mockingbird.
What was that?
Well, that was massive payments and infiltration into the Legacy media of the day to not only control the media through placement of individuals and the use of taxpayer cash in payoffs But also to place people in influential places within the media where they could spin the deep state narrative We didn't call it the Deep State back in those days.
We called it the Military-Industrial Complex, but it's the same thing.
Now we have seen in the Twitter files repetition of the exact same tactics and the exact same purposes.
An effort to control the national narrative by infiltrating social media Both using money and people and governmental power to really silence and censor anyone who stands up and disagrees with the contentions.
The Russian collusion hoax is a perfect example of that.
One of the things that always makes me chuckle in a sad way is when any publication, I saw this yesterday in Mother Jones, which can barely be considered a legitimate publication, but a reference to the Senate Intelligence Committee Russiagate report.
This report is a fraud.
I can tell you categorically, every single reference in the report to me is categorically false.
Notice they're factually incorrect.
There's a number of other things in there that I know are factually incorrect.
The Russian bot farms that never existed, there's another example.
But the importance of this report is It was produced by Republicans and Democrats working together.
It is a complete and totally fictitious fraud designed to damage Donald Trump.
It is really quite extraordinary that some publications continue to hold it out as an example of the proof of so-called Russian collusion.
But they've been doing this for decades.
You know, the Warren Commission.
Look at the Warren Commission after the death of John F.K.
And, you know, it's clearly now we know it was a complete and total whitewash.
And look at the people that participated in the Warren Commission.
As a result of their participation in the cover-up, They all got promotions.
In fact, Gerald Ford eventually became President of the United States without being elected.
And what was his big contribution?
The Warren Commission.
So, you know, this is the establishment of D.C.
once again reasserting itself.
And they believe they should run the country and the people shouldn't.
It's the same reason why they took down John F. Kennedy.
It's the same reason why they took down Bobby Kennedy.
It's the same reason why they took down Martin Luther King.
It's the same reason they took down Richard Nixon.
It's the same reason that You know, that they have been so aggressive with Donald Trump.
Whenever somebody challenges them, they want to reassert their authority to control the narrative.
You make an excellent point.
As a member of the Warren Commission, at the specific request of Warren Commission member J. Edgar Hoover, the FBI director, Congressman Gerald Ford took a pencil and he revised the official autopsy diagram of John F. Kennedy, moving the depiction of a wound at the rear of his neck, pardon me, at the rear of his back to the rear of his neck to accommodate the so-called single bullet theory,
the idea that John F. Kennedy had only been shot three times and all three times from the back, which the idea that John F. Kennedy had only been shot three times and all three times from the back, which of course is indicated in both the video
Today, by the way, is the birthday of Beverly Oliver, who was the woman standing 15 feet from President Kennedy's car, who actually saw his head explode when it was hit by a bullet.
One of the last living witnesses, if not the last living witness, to President John F. Kennedy.
Her birthday is today, because she's a very gracious lady.
I'm not going to say how old she is, but I am going to call her immediately after the show to wish her a happy birthday.
An extraordinary patriot, I might add.
She was a consultant to Oliver Stone's movie, JFK.
She's a strong supporter of President Trump, and she's been a strong voice for truth about the Kennedy assassination for many decades.
So, happy birthday.
Another example of when we were supposedly reforming, and you'll remember this, the Church Commission.
Nobody talks about the Church Commission anymore.
It's lapsed into the fog of history, but it was one of the times that the deep state was probably the most challenged.
Yet, if you look at what was the result of the Church Commission, what we got out of it was the FISA Court, which was supposed to fix things, and which has done exactly the opposite.
Instead, it's perpetuated this insider court that taps people's phones and violates people's privacy, and really, in a strange and bizarre turn of events, ended up empowering the deep state.
It's almost mind-boggling when you think about it.
You make an excellent point.
People do forget that former President Jimmy Carter, who according to published reports is in a hospice now in Georgia and near death, whose book on faith in Jesus Christ was very moving and very much affected my own life and my own thinking.
I'm convinced that Jimmy Carter was a good American.
He wasn't a great president, but I do think he was a patriot.
And what people don't realize is that he did enact the reforms recommended by the church committee.
He did appoint Admiral Stainsfield-Turner as the head of the CIA, who cleaned house, which was bitterly opposed within the Una Party at the time.
And unfortunately, many of those same actors returned to the CIA under Presidents Reagan and Bush.
But Jimmy Carter, special prayer for him.
I I get criticized for this but In all honesty, Floyd, over time, my partisanship has diminished.
In other words, there was a time when I disliked former President Harry Truman.
But then I realized that immediately after John Kennedy's assassination, Truman wrote an op-ed piece for the Washington Post in which he said signing the Central Intelligence Agency into law was the single greatest mistake of his presidency and that the agency had gone rogue and was operating both Domestically in violation of law and internationally in violation of U.S.
policy.
Truman's op-ed in the Washington Post ran for one edition before it was spiked.
That's how powerful the Uniparty is.
Able to kill an op-ed by a former president and then, in all honesty, as a Nixon man, you know, I always had a A low regard for John F. Kennedy.
That's changed dramatically.
Like Donald Trump, I now realize Jack Kennedy was a disruptor.
He was a tax-cutter.
He was demanding a silver-backed dollar.
He had a deep suspicion of the intelligence agencies and their desire to euchre him into war with the Soviet Union.
John F. Kennedy was an ardent anti-communist.
But he was not a warmonger.
I think he would have been a truly great president had he lived, but sadly he did not live long enough.
I know it will shock some people, but you're absolutely correct when you say the takedown of John Kennedy, the takedown of Robert Kennedy, another disruptor, another independent who could not be controlled, the takedown of Richard Nixon, the takedown of Martin Luther King, who was really killed Over his opposition to the war in Vietnam as much as for his position as a leader of the civil rights movement.
And of course the more recent Russian collusion attempt to take down Donald Trump and then the election takedown in 2020.
These are all related events manipulated by the same people.
Folks will scoff of that because some of those folks I just mentioned are viewed as having different ideologies.
But in fact, every one of them was an anti-establishment figure, and that is the point.
And interestingly enough, even during the Reagan era, you had the whole Iran-Contra controversy, an attempt to take down Ronald Reagan, and a lot of that was the result of really a deep state operator, Oliver North, going rogue, running drugs back in through the MENA airport in Arkansas,
And in order to fund the Contras, it may have been anti-communist, but what you find, kind of the silver thread that's through all of this, is it's people that want war.
And they want America to always be at war.
I think that, you know, looking towards the future and actually the end of my book is very optimistic about the future because I think America is very close to a tipping point where they're starting to understand the hubris of both Republican and Democrat politicians who want to tell everyone around the world how to run their country.
I mean, a lot of American officials are globalists in that they want to have America tell everybody how to do everything around the globe.
And that's incredibly arrogant.
It was one thing when we were out there, you know, fighting communism.
It's a total other thing today when we're telling Uganda that they've got to, you know, embrace the LGBTQ agenda or we're, you know, forcing countries to do things that are totally against their culture.
Countries have a right to have their own culture.
People have a right to love their own culture, just as we in America have a right to love our baseball, hamburgers, and hot dogs.
But, you know, I think a lot of this has to do with the desire.
I mean, interestingly enough, I think you're right.
Kennedy was taken down because he didn't want to go into Vietnam.
And at least that's my analysis.
And LBJ was, you know, he was fine with escalating and escalate he did.
You know, Richard Nixon was right to get us out of Vietnam, but that may be why they took him down.
I don't know, but it's obvious that it was a combined effort between the CIA and the FBI to take down Richard Nixon, who, when he was elected, was one of the most popular presidents ever in American history.
People don't remember that.
You know, I only met him once, Roger, but we had a great conversation because he leaned over to me and he said, you know what?
I really liked that Willie Horton ad.
And anybody that likes the Willie Horton ad, since I was involved in creating it, puts a smile on my face.
I should have mentioned this.
It was incorrect at the top.
You were a key figure in the first in the takedown of Michael Dukakis.
One of the most disastrous Democratic candidates for president and then an effective fighter in the effort to expose John Kerry.
I neglected to mention that.
Your analysis on Kennedy is exactly right.
His sin against the deep state was twofold.
He would not allow the Bay of Pigs to be turned into a conflagration and an excuse for World War III.
It is little known, but the original invasion plan for the Bay of Pigs, as approved by President Kennedy, included the use of 29 Panamanian flag bombers that were supposed to be piloted by Cuban pilots to provide air cover for the Cuban exiles, trained and funded by the United States, who were storming the beaches in Cuba.
What Kennedy didn't know was that that air cover was quietly cancelled by the number two man in the CIA, Charles Cable, whose brother just happened to be the mayor of Dallas and a protege of Lyndon Baines Johnson.
And then the Joint Chiefs argued to JFK that the only way to save the Cuba invasion was to send in the U.S.
Force, which was meant to be a provocation of war with the Russians.
Kennedy refused.
You're also absolutely right that Kennedy had already begun to doubt his advisors on the war in Vietnam.
And of course, Lady and Lyndon Byrne Johnson owned a lot of Bell helicopter stock and a lot of General Dynamics stock.
And if you read my book, The Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ, you know that the Johnsons made millions and millions of dollars out of the expansion of the war in Vietnam.
In Richard Nixon's case, the Strategic Arms Limitation Agreement with the Soviets was opposed by the Pentagon.
The opening to China at a time that China was a poor, backwards, agrarian society with no technology was opposed by the Pentagon and by the State Department and by the war machine.
Nixon had no way of knowing that the Clintons would sell our top military secrets to the Chinese for campaign contributions and the Bushes would give the Chinese most favored nation trading status.
Those are the things that made China the dangerous world power and enemy they are today, not recognizing them diplomatically and then playing them off against the Russians.
To get concessions and strategic arms limitations, and then, as you point out, they wanted to go deeper into Vietnam.
They thought, based on his reputation as an anti-communist hardliner, that Nixon would escalate beyond Johnson.
They had no idea that Nixon's priority was to negotiate an exit from Vietnam as soon as he possibly could, and he withdrew men at a much faster timetable than the Pentagon wanted.
So what was his sin?
The same sin as Donald Trump.
He was a peacemaker.
When Trump said through the campaign that having a dialogue with the Russians was a good thing, not a bad thing, he was derided as a traitor when he was just making common sense.
If people have nuclear weapons, whether they are the Chinese or the Russians or potentially the North Koreans, it's better to have a dialogue with them than to not be speaking with them.
That's how you avert another world war.
Floyd Brown has written a new book which is called Counterpunch.
We're going to put the website up on the screen where you can purchase it.
There's a picture of the book and this is touted as a Christian's answer to Saul Alinsky's famous rules for radicals.
Tell us more about the book, Floyd.
So, really what I do in the book is I walk us through the false narratives that we've had to deal with most recently.
The false narratives, you know, around COVID, around the border, all of the key issues that are really vital right now.
But then I go beyond that and talk about how we can have systemic change.
You know, you're a libertarian, self-described, Roger.
I describe myself as a Christian libertarian, which is, if we're going to fix government, fundamentally what we have to do is lower the power of Washington.
Because Washington has grown so large, and because it's involved in everybody's life in so many diverse and different ways, and especially it's so involved in business, That is what causes all of these contributions to flow to members of Congress.
It's what causes the entire country to kind of bow down to Washington.
And if you want to fix that, we've got to send services back to the states.
And there has to be a dramatic reset in the way that we run the country.
Returning it more to a constitutional basis and restore, really, the Bill of Rights, which ends with the 10th Amendment, which means that the federal government just can't do everything as the modern courts have defined it.
So, you know, I really think Washington should only be involved in foreign policy and national defense.
And really everything else should be run at the state level.
And then I talk a lot about how local officials, you know, and conservatives need to run for local office.
They need to become mayors.
They need to become sheriffs.
They need to become county councilmen.
They not just have the right to resist rules from the federal government.
I believe they have an affirmative duty to resist unconstitutional mandates from Washington D.C.
So that's that's I try to get us off the track of always looking for some big man to ride in and fix everything.
And instead, Let's put that book cover up again for a moment, if we can.
You can order Counterpunch on Amazon, and I urge you to do so.
For those who may be confused, what Floyd is recommending is a peaceful resistance strategy to mobilize against the deep state.
And nothing more.
This is kind of an answer to Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals.
And issue by issue, he walks through what can be done by those of us who refuse to be cancelled and silenced.
I'm very anxious to read the book.
I've read a summary of it.
It appears to me that you have done great work here, Floyd, because You are Arizona-based.
I have to ask you this.
Tell me your assessment of what transpired there in the incredible gubernatorial election in which, in all honesty, Carrie Lake was one of the most talented, compelling Uh, candidates I've ever seen in the 43 years I've been in American politics, and it appeared to me that she ran a very good, cost-efficient and effective campaign.
Therefore, I was shocked on election night to learn that she had lost.
I was even more shocked by the very specific and documented evidence of election irregularities What happened and where do you see this going?
Yeah, so I like to tell people, you know, if somebody said what I say about the Arizona election and I hadn't observed it, I wouldn't believe myself because it was the most brazen attempt at voter suppression I have ever seen firsthand in my lifetime.
So I live in a community called Anthem, Arizona, and up at the Anthem Voting Center, there was a three hour wait to vote.
But what was even worse than that, because of this huge long wait, the parking lot was full.
People couldn't even find a parking spot.
So if you came to vote, you would have to drive around and drive around in the hopes that you could get a parking spot.
And many, many, many people And they actually, it was amazing.
If I hadn't seen it, I wouldn't believe it.
Literally, the machines did not work.
They would not take the ballots.
The scanners wouldn't take the ballots.
They kept spitting them out, spitting them out, spitting them out.
And then they would throw them in a bag.
We don't know what was counted, what wasn't counted.
The Maricopa County admitted in court there was no chain of custody, which is something that's required by law.
They admitted that on the mail-in ballots, their signature verification was shoddy at best.
And yet, Carrie Lake, who I believe won the race, and your assessment of her is absolutely correct.
I like to say she's the most pure, talented communicator that I have seen on the stump since Ronald Reagan.
She can deliver a speech.
That will bring almost anyone to tears, including myself, uh, in my sixties, which is, you know, uh, uh, unusual because I thought I was, uh, was a pretty hardened cynic there until I met Carrie Lake.
So she's, she's a very talented woman.
Uh, she has a great future, but, uh, the establishment just loathes her.
So if you can imagine this, her opponent in the Republican primary Spent something close to $30 million to try and defeat her in that Republican primary.
They couldn't do it.
I think she spent $3 million in the Republican primary.
And it was just wall-to-wall anti-Carrie Lake ads for months and months and months.
And yet she went into Election Day.
With a 12 point advantage in the polls, and we all thought she was going to be the governor if it wasn't for the nefarious deeds on election day by the Maricopa County election officials, which were totally inexcusable.
And it's also, you know, Currently, it's pending before the Arizona Supreme Court.
It went first to the county court.
This is an election contest, so there's no discovery allowed.
And then she went to the appeals court, and now she's at the Arizona Supreme Court.
We don't know for sure if they're going to hear it at the Supreme Court.
But the truth is, is that every single one of these judges has turned a blind eye to the laws of Arizona.
And if they don't make some corrective action at the Supreme Court, then it's tantamount to telling local election officials that they really don't, there are no laws for elections.
Do whatever you want.
I thought that the lawyers who represented Kerry Lake, notably Kurt Olson, were incredibly able.
I understand that.
Very good.
Very, very compressed.
Time frame in which the judge gave them to make their case.
I thought they made their case extremely well given those restrictions.
Katie Hobbs lawyers didn't seem to have any argument at all other than to try to tear down the credibility of the arguments put forward by Carrie Lake's lawyers.
I was heartened by the fact that the court even heard the case.
I, of course, was unhappy with the result.
And now, like many Americans, I'm praying for justice from the state Supreme Court, although having gotten knocked down twice, I have my doubts, in all honesty.
The two-party duopoly in Arizona, as well as nationally, Seems to fear Carrie Lake the same way they feared Donald Trump.
I think this has to do with her extraordinary abilities as a communicator and as a compelling figure.
I'm sure you saw CPAC, which was once something that you and I look forward to with great anticipation.
And today, I did not attend, but I did watch it closely.
I thought President Trump gave an excellent speech.
I noted the absence of Governor DeSantis.
But in the straw poll there, not only did President Trump win by 3-1 over his closest competitor, but the participants chose Carrie Lake, who is not in public office, as the overwhelming favorite for Vice President.
Now, that's thinking somewhat outside the box.
However, until Donald Trump was elected president, we had no president who was not a governor or a senator or a congressman or a general.
We'd never elected a We nominated one in 1940, that was Wendell Willkie, but he was not elected.
So, a compelling national figure doesn't necessarily have to be in public office to be a winning nominee.
Donald Trump proved that, and I have a feeling that Carrie Lake's political future is far from over.
I'm not among those who think that she should declare for the Senate.
I think it is vitally important that she exhaust all of her legal remedies regarding the gubernatorial election, because I don't think she wants to look like just another office-chasing politician.
I don't think that's what she is.
She'd be a great U.S.
Senator, but she'd also be a great governor, and she may be a vice president.
What do you think?
First of all, she wants to be governor.
That's the role that she has chosen for herself, mostly because she wants to shut down the border.
She wants to protect school children.
She really ran as what I would call a mama bear candidate, somebody who wanted to fix a lot of the wrongs that have been done to our children.
And so She has not made any decision to run for U.S.
Senate.
I think she is focused on her litigation.
I know that a lot of other people are kind of holding off because they think she might run for Senate and she and she may run for Senate.
I don't know exactly.
She would make an excellent, excellent vice president.
I think she's a wonderful communicator and is a Just talented campaigner.
She's tireless on the campaign trail.
She would probably, you know, have almost the same energy as Donald Trump.
And she, next to Donald Trump, she draws the biggest rallies of any politician in America, including Governor DeSantis.
I mean, Kerry traveled to Iowa and she had a bigger, she had big, big, big, big, Uh, rallies that she spoke at.
So people love her, and she has amazing appeal.
And I kind of agree with you.
I think she doesn't want to chase office.
But what she doesn't also want to do is allow the elites that control the election apparatus in this state to be able to get another one of their, quote, people in office.
So she would run for Senate almost as a blocking action, which isn't really a great reason.
And so I don't know if she'll do it in the end.
We'll just have to wait and see.
She's a very wonderful woman.
I have a tremendous admiration for her.
I know her quite well.
And what you see is what you get.
The private Carrie Lake is every bit as wonderful and gracious as the public Carrie Lake.
This was, of course, the great quality that Ronald Reagan had.
The Ronald Reagan you saw on television, the Ronald Reagan you saw as president, was exactly the same in private as he was in public.
Carrie Lake, it seems to me, Has that elusive quality that Reagan had that Barry Goldwater did not have.
The quality that Donald Trump had that my hero Richard Dixon did not have.
And that is charisma.
A certain charisma.
It's not something you can acquire.
It's something you either have or you don't have.
It's funny, I saw somebody yesterday on Twitter put up a flattering picture of Senator Barry Goldwater saying, the greatest president we never had.
And while it's true that Goldwater was a great man in many ways and deeply principled, he was also cranky, grouchy, had a tendency to drink too much, and was deeply, deeply jealous of Ronald Reagan, who he said was just a damn actor.
Why is everybody so excited about him?
He's just a damn actor, Barry would say.
I idolize Goldwater as a boy, I might add.
You learn a lot when you get to be my age.
Well when you get to meet him.
So you know I worked for Bob Dole for two and a half years and one of the most interesting times I staffed an event was when Bob Dole flew to Phoenix.
It was actually the first time I ever visited Phoenix.
I traveled with Bob Dole to Phoenix for a fundraiser that was held at the Phoenician Hotel.
And it was a fundraiser for Barry Goldwater.
The fundraiser was actually sponsored by a guy who later became famous.
His name was Frank Keating.
And he had some controversies of his own.
But to be with Barry Goldwater in the back room it was an experience because he could literally cuss the paint off of the wall in any room.
Well, I would Well, I was one of your predecessors.
I worked for Senator Bob Dole as a staff assistant for two years.
I still believe he is one of the greatest men of the 20th century.
Amen!
Don't understand the incredible adversity that he overcame to be a political success.
And people also don't realize that he ran a much stronger race for president.
Then George H.W.
Bush did four years previously as an incumbent.
Bob Dole carried four additional states and got almost four and a half million more votes than Bush got as an incumbent.
Truly a great man who, by the way, would have been a great president had he been nominated in 1988, which I really think was his year, and was very saddened by his Passing in the past year.
Truly one of the greatest men of the 20th century.
Okay, we're gonna have to pretty much leave it there.
Again, the book is counterpunch.
We're gonna put a cover, the cover back up for you folks.
The best place to get it is at Amazon.
It's easy to find.
I urge you to order it today.
I have a pre-ordered mine.
I'm very anxious.
Floyd, when will the book be available?
It comes out April 4th is when it ships so we're excited about it.
It's just around the corner and I'm hopeful that it will have some impact and that people will understand as we go into this next election cycle and hopefully it will encourage some people to run for local office because we need to get involved in the local level if we really want to change the country long term.
Roger, let me just say this.
It's always a pleasure to speak with you and to talk about history, a lot of the history that you and I live, and it's just been a pleasure to be with you.
And I enjoy your show and thank you for everything you've done and are continuing to do in this fight for America, the land that's given us so much and that we love so much.
Well, Floyd, I appreciate your recent invitation to Arizona.
I'm sorry that I was not able to come, as you know.
Mrs. Stone is not well, but she's doing...
Quite well in her fight with cancer.
And I look forward to the day that I can visit you in Arizona.
And hopefully it will be to celebrate a great political victory.
Ladies and gentlemen, a truly great patriot and a good friend of many years standing, Floyd Brown, has just joined us on The Stone Zone.
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