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Nov. 17, 2022 - The StoneZONE - Roger Stone
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The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - Guest Host: Alan Jacoby, feat JR Majewski & Shawn Farash
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With legendary Republican strategist and political icon and pundit Roger Stone.
Stone has served as a senior campaign aide to three Republican presidents.
He is a New York Times bestselling author and a longtime friend and advisor of President Donald Trump.
As an outspoken libertarian, Stone has appeared on thousands of broadcasts, spoken at countless venues and lectured before the prestigious Oxford Political Union and the Cambridge Union Society.
Due to his four plus decades in the political and cultural arena, Stone has become a pop culture icon.
And now, here's your host, Roger Stone!
Hey everybody, welcome to the Stone Zone.
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I'm gonna bring on our first guest, great American patriot, good friend of mine, Great friend of America, the America First Movement, former congressional candidate in Ohio's 9th District, J.R.
Majewski.
We got him?
There he is.
What's happening, J.R.?
J.R., I can't hear you.
Oh, no.
We don't have audio on, J.R.
You got me now.
There you go.
There he is.
What's happening, J.R.?
Oh, man, it's been a long day.
I've been moving my Office from my campaign office back into the home.
So I don't think I've set up a computer station this fast in my life.
Well, we're happy that you were able to do it for this.
So we're also going to be having a mutual friend of ours, hopefully joining us around 530, which I want you to stick around for.
Sean Farish, of course, you know, Captain Deplorable.
I know you know him well.
Oh yeah, love Sean.
Yeah, he's great.
He's great.
From my neck of the woods.
So much is going on.
Unfortunately, we have Kevin McCarthy who was nominated for House leadership for the Speaker of the House.
Do you think Kevin McCarthy is going to get the votes that he ultimately needs?
Oh, it's hard to say.
I think there's going to be a lot of horse trading going on over the next few days.
I know that there were some articles posted where he's already been talking with some Democrats after he promised he wouldn't.
So it's hard to say.
I think that there are some members of Congress that just aren't going to vote for him, regardless of what horse trading goes on.
But I think this is the way they usually behave with every new incoming Congress.
We're just seeing it now in a greater light.
But I mean, I don't know.
It's so hard to say.
I know.
I keep watching and I'm hopeful.
I really don't want to see Kevin McCarthy as Speaker of the House.
I'm not a fan at all.
And I've said from, you know, the beginning of the midterm election cycle that we get the majority.
And if Kevin McCarthy wins, I feel that we still lose.
And it's just I just feel he's a rhino.
I don't like the fact that he is speaking with Democrats.
And, you know, I mean, look at Chuck Schumer.
Chuck Schumer is out there saying that, oh, Me and Mitch McConnell have the same outlook for the Republican Party.
What does that even mean?
I don't want to hear that.
I don't want to know that Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell have the same outlook for the Republican Party.
I mean, what are we talking about here?
Chuck Schumer wants to destroy the country.
Yeah.
I mean, the same agenda for the country is the status quo, is to keep robbing the everyday American.
I mean, that's what they continue to do.
And I think we've seen that through this midterm election that You know, it's really about sustaining the establishment.
That's all that it's about.
I just hope that the American people, I hope we stay on them, and I hope we continue the full court press, because if we don't, and if we just go right back to our regular everyday lives and continue to ignore, then we're going to continue to get the same results.
Right.
And I think a lot of people have a lot of good ideas, and I know we're going to talk about that more with Sean.
He was doing a live show last night with Dr. Cordy Williams that they do on Tuesday nights and I happened to pop in the chat and it's something I think that him and I are on the same page on as far as New York with fighting fire with fire as far as early voting that's not going away it seems and ballot harvesting that's not going to go away as it seems which I want to go away.
I think a lot of people, I would say, including yourself would want that to go away.
And for us to go back to the way it was pre pandemic and have an actual election day and not an election season.
But we have this now modern election process where we have all this nonsense going on.
So I think we're going to see Republicans.
I know I'm going to try to hard charge with this in New York, hopefully, uh, partner with Sean and other people.
Yeah, I mean, it's a shame.
with fire and using that and playing that game better than Democrats.
But what do you think?
I mean, we're a week and a day, right, after election day, and they're still counting votes in some races, I believe.
I mean- Yeah, I mean, it's a shame.
You'd think, you know, with the invent of these machines and bringing these machines into play, you know, the intent was to expedite the ballot processing process, and it takes away the, you know, the standard operating of people counting the standard operating of people counting them by hand.
But we're still seeing that as a necessity as we see some of these anomalies.
But I don't know.
I think I know in Ohio they have 10 days after the election to do their full, you know, their full audit and make sure that they're counting the provisional ballot.
So we're hoping to see the numbers change a little bit tomorrow.
But that being said, These elections, if they're not able to count the ballots within that window, then they need to just be upfront about it and not call elections on that day.
And it also goes to show how fast that, and the behavior of leadership in Congress, both in the House and the Senate, how some of them want to get into the leadership votes already without knowing the new members of Congress and if they're going to vote for or against them.
I mean, that's also troubling.
I know Josh Hawley, Um, made a very, very good stance and position last night with, uh, wanting to delay the Senate leadership election because of Herschel Walker not, not knowing whether or not he was going to be a new member of the Senate.
And, you know, I, I think that's a righteous position to take.
No, agreed.
I don't think they should have had, uh, the, the leadership elections until, until the, the, the runoff.
I mean, the runoff is very important and I, I've been saying everybody out there for the past week, You know, from Georgia or not, you have to support Herschel Walker.
We need tons of money to do that voter contact.
You know, you know, you, you, you were in a campaign, you ran a campaign, you know how much money it takes to win.
And now, and, and now, oh, not only that, we have to get all these people to come out and vote a second time and more.
So, you know, there's a lot of money to be raised and people should be going over to Herschel Walker's website and donating to him.
And offering their services to canvas and to make phone calls.
It's important.
And it doesn't, and it also seems like election season is never ending now because it just segue into the big announcement.
You know, Donald Trump, Roger Stone was there at Mar-a-Lago.
He declared his candidacy for president of the United States.
I don't know about you.
I'm very happy about that.
I mean, you know me, I'm wearing my Trump shirt today.
I mean, I'm all in for the guy.
I think it's great that he waited until after the primaries, but having announced was the right thing to do.
I mean, it clears the field, in my opinion, and the members of Congress that are loyal to him are coming out and endorsing him right away.
And I think that's what we need to see.
I think that there's a concerted effort by the establishment right now Start talking about, you know, start bringing up talking points that are essentially invalid, that are, you know, their long-term game is to play against Trump in the, you know, the 2024 election.
When they talk about candidate quality, you know, they talk about all these other things.
I mean, they're just trying to stifle votes and people to come back out for Hershel Walker.
They're also trying to keep away America First candidates like myself.
I mean, In a presidential election year when Donald Trump is on the ballot, they can ballot harvest all they want.
There's no way in hell I lose an election here in Northwest Ohio.
Yeah.
It's wild.
Listen, I hate to use the term, but there's no other term for it, but I'm confident that it's obvious that throughout the country, again, maybe not on the same scale as 2020, that there was rigging.
Yeah.
I mean, if you look at the election in Ohio, all of the state elected officials won by over 20%.
And in my district, JD Vance and I both lost.
We both underperformed Trump.
Kent and Washington state.
It just, you're in a heavy Republican stronghold, are you not? - Yeah.
I mean, if you look at the election in Ohio, all of the state elected officials won by over 20%.
And in my district, JD Vance and I both lost.
We both underperformed Trump.
I mean, you know, it's a phenomenon that Republicans normally vote down to the ballot.
And, you know, I just can't understand how all of our Republican elected officials, you know, our Attorney General, our Secretary of State, our Governor, they all won by, you know, 20% or nearly 20% or more in some cases.
But I just can't fathom how they didn't vote down ballot.
Now, in my election, you know, Considering that, you know, my opponent did have a lot of money spent against me, lying about me, slandering, and things like that.
But, I mean, I put in a lot of work.
And, you know, the feeling on the ground was that I had it in the bag.
And, you know, I'll never be able to shake off that feeling that going into Election Day that I was going to win, only to find out that, you know, we lost by such a wide margin.
And when you look at the The district, I mean, we won in every county except for the two liberal strongholds.
You know, in Lucas County where Toledo is, I mean, we lost by the margin that is equal to the amount of absentee and early votes.
Isn't that something?
It is something.
It's, I just, It just boggles my mind.
I mean, I spoke to you on election night.
As a matter of fact, minutes before your polling even closed, you were on my show.
I was so confident that we were waiting.
That was one of the races that we were on the live stream, just waiting to be called, saying, you know, JR's got this.
I mean, we followed the campaign and And it just none of it, none of it's right.
And when you have all of these offices that no one's really paying attention to, that isn't getting the, the notoriety like your race is, and they're winning by 20 points and you lose.
No, it's not making sense.
Like in Arizona, you're telling me more Republicans voted for the treasurer who even knows who was running for that than the Republican governor.
I'm sorry, but you know, I know there were a lot of stupid people out there, but They can't be that many stupid people that are really going to fall for that.
Yeah, I mean, this election was intended to be and, you know, everything pointed towards a referendum against the Biden administration and those that supported him.
And, you know, Marcy Kamper, who was my opponent, has been one of the strongest supporters.
I mean, she wouldn't break away from her support from President Biden until, I don't know, maybe two months into the general election.
And then she did it very, very awkwardly and haphazardly.
She's been in office for 40 years, man.
People are just sick and tired of establishment career politicians, and there's so many factors that were working against her.
I was quite confident that the money spent against me certainly did some harm, but who's to say if it truly did have the impact?
I'm going with the results as they stand.
I'm not going to Cry and scream election fraud.
I mean, that's not in my nature, but, you know, I really do think that there's a somewhat of a, I don't know, a dynamic across the country where a lot of these attorney generals and secretaries of states and others that, you know, look over the voting process, they have aspirations for higher office and none of them want to admit that they may have a issue with the electoral process in their state.
And, you know, that's the sad thing about Many of us Republicans, as we don't like to admit when we're wrong.
And, uh, you know, I, I really think that we should be, as a federal Congress, we, they should be pushing for some form of, uh, of unification, especially when there's a federal candidate on the ballot.
No, absolutely.
And, you know, I also have to, you know, I'm sorry, but I'm going to bring up Kevin McCarthy again, because I truly believe he is a slimy snake in the grass.
I know you spend time with him, you know, you, There it is.
It's Donald Trump.
He seems like a likable guy.
I mean, I think he's full of crap.
And it's interesting because he came, he did an event with you.
So he touched your campaign.
He went and he did something for other people.
And turn, turn.
There it is, there's Donald Trump.
He's calling you.
He turned his back on you and many others.
The GOP leadership, the GOP establishment, they dropped the ball.
They are the ones to blame for if they want to call it this tremendous loss that they're blaming Donald Trump on now.
And how do you blame a private citizen of what happens in elections when you are the GOP leadership and it is your job to get these people over the finish line?
It's your job to get your Republican nominees Through the general election to defeat Democrats so you can get the proper majorities and rule the roost.
So they want to turn around and blame Donald Trump.
Well, Donald Trump lost the House and the Senate when he was president.
And now look, he lost again.
He didn't lose anything.
And I've been saying to people, what if Donald Trump got on Marine One January 20th, 2020 and flew off to Mar-a-Lago and did absolutely nothing and got out of politics and sat back Hanging out at Mar-a-Lago.
Where would we be right now?
Would we have gotten 233 wins that he endorsed?
Oh, and by the way, he only had 22 losses, 233 wins.
Let's not forget that.
That's a pretty good margin.
Where would we be, J.R., if Donald Trump got out of politics the day he left the White House?
Where would we be right now?
Yeah, I mean, that's rhetorical, right?
I mean, we all know where we would be.
We would have moderate, squishy Republicans winning our primary.
Elections, we would have, you know, much more, um, um, you know, many more challenges with, with Republicans because President Trump is known to hold these folks to task.
And, you know, he's, I mean, where did the America First agenda come from?
I mean, it came from his camp, you know?
I mean, these are all ideas that, that he's, and, and platform ideas and, and platform issues that he's developed and he's curried out to many of these, you know, these candidates, including myself.
And, uh, It's hard to say what the Republican establishment stands for, because, you know, when you go look at the RNC's platform, it's pretty vanilla, very rarely changes, and the trickle-down effect to, you know, the states and the counties is, you know, it's extremely terrible, it's atrocious.
As a matter of fact, I know in my district there are maybe two counties that actually have a legitimate platform that aligns with the state of Ohio, and then I'm not sure where the state of Ohio's platform stands anymore.
And if that aligns with the RNC.
I mean, there's definitely some challenges as the organization delineates down to the grassroots level.
And then you have the grassroots candidate or candidates that are traditionally becoming more and more America first because they're tired of the fact that there's no alignment between their local parties.
They're tired of the fact that their states are being overran and we have our federal government Stepping on our constitutional rights and nobody standing up for us and they're tired of their kids being in masks.
We're tired of gas prices.
We're tired of all this shit.
Excuse my language.
But, you know, that's what is breeding this new, you know, new breed of candidate and, you know, the establishment and I mean, they're just scared.
They're extremely scared because all we really want is smaller government.
We want our rights back and we want our freedoms.
Right.
And the establishment, even, you know, the establishment, GOP, along with the Democrats, well, they don't, even though they will run on the platform, the RNC and the establishment that they want smaller government, I don't believe that they do because then they lose control and they lose money.
And that's what it is about for them.
Okay.
You know, I, they don't, they don't care about me.
They don't care about you.
And that's why, They were terrified when all of these America First candidates were running endorsed by Donald Trump.
A lot of which, I mean a large majority that were never in politics before that wanted to make that change and run with that America First agenda.
Kevin McCarthy doesn't want that.
Mitch McConnell doesn't want that.
Lindsey Graham.
All of the establishment swamp sewer rats.
None of them want that.
They want us all to just stay in line.
They run the show.
We're better than you.
You're going to bend the knee, and I think as Roger Stone calls them, country club joining, white wine swilling, knife and fork, you know, soft Republicans, something to that effect.
Sorry, Roger, if I didn't get it, you know, exactly right.
And we, I mean, yeah, we won the house.
Obviously we didn't win as much as we, but we won the house.
And when, when people are saying and blaming Donald Trump for these losses, we fired Nancy Pelosi.
She's gone.
She made her announcement today.
She's not running for Democrat leadership.
I don't know if you saw it, but you know, she gave her big thing and Paul Ryan right away sent out a tweet.
Oh, the historic Nancy Pelosi.
Well, you know, woman house speaker, blah, blah, blah.
Welcome to the former speakers club.
Like really kissing her behind, you know, the Rhino he is.
I have an idea, I think, where she's going to end up.
Any thoughts on what she's going to do next?
I mean, what is she?
She's like, you know, 180 years old now.
I mean, she's got her last term, I guess.
You know, I would assume that, you know, she's going to try to get out and whittle her way into the shadows.
So when, you know, the Republicans actually start holding members of the Democratic Party accountable through some of these oversight investigations, you know, she's going to be Much smaller of a threat, and she won't be such an intimidating factor.
And I think she's gonna try to fall out of the limelight.
But I don't know.
I think that just looking at Twitter and looking at how things are going, I mean, the House Republicans today put out a tweet saying Hunter Biden's laptop is real.
I mean, yeah, we've known that.
How long?
It takes them that long?
I mean, this is what they're doing.
They feel ashamed.
and they feel embarrassed.
So what are they trying to do?
They're trying to throw us some red meat, thinking that we're stupid enough to believe that, these are things that we, I mean, the public knows that Hunter Biden's laptop is real.
I mean, come on folks.
If they would have listened to us two years ago, this three, four years ago, however long it's been. - Oh, absolutely.
I think Nancy Pelosi, she says she's gonna just stay in Congress, stay and do her thing, which is absolutely nothing.
Sit home and eat $60 ice cream.
But I don't, I believe, and because I don't think we have one as of as of late, a ambassador to Italy.
And I'm wondering if Joe Biden is going to give her the nod and send her off to live out her political career in the nice little home that they have for the ambassador in Italy, which I believe has its own wine room.
so she can sit there and drink herself to oblivion while Paul has rendezvous with MC Hammer.
I wonder if Paul Pelosi's upset that she's actually- I don't usually drink, but when I do, I get hammered.
Oh man, that has to be a Paul Pelosi meme.
I don't know if I've ever seen that one.
All right, I'm on that one.
We've got to make memes tonight.
You know, they came at the Republicans, obviously, the Oversight Committee today and said, they had the little press conference, that they will be probing Hunter Biden's laptop
End the big guy, and immediately the White House responded, one of the spokesmen, I saw it right before we got on the show, that the Republicans should focus their time working with Joe Biden on the real issues, like low drug costs and this and that, instead of taking political revenge against the President.
That's interesting.
What have the Democrats done all four years of the Donald Trump presidency?
How many members of the Democratic Party, how many members of Congress this year ran a campaign with less than 70 percent of their political campaign ads not calling their opponent a January 6th or MAGA extremist? how many members of Congress this year ran a campaign I would like to know that.
That would be something that I would like to know.
And that should be something the Republican Party looks into.
They're claiming that candidates like myself, for example, have committed federal crimes.
And they're lying out of their side of their face.
And they get away with it because they're Democrats.
They get away with it because they have multi-million dollar campaigns.
And that's the kind of things that Republicans can be chasing that would Really satisfy the everyday American.
I mean, let's get this January 6th insurrection narrative.
Just let's, let's clear it out of the atmosphere.
Let's, let's throw it off into the ether where it belongs.
I mean, it's, it's, it's totally, you know, a farce.
This whole, this whole investigation has been nothing but a circus.
Yeah.
A lot of wasted money.
And I, I'm, that's the big announcement I want to hear is when after January, when the new Congress is in, Is the big announcement that the January 6th committee has been dissolved and maybe just maybe they form another one, but going in a different direction to look at other things like the security of the Capitol, Nancy Pelosi and her phone records and things like that.
That's what I'd like to see.
But also at the same time, I don't want Republicans to spend all their time on that.
I want things to be uncovered.
I want oversight.
I want accountability, but I want these new You know, supposed hard charging Republicans that are coming to D.C.
to do whatever they can for us.
You know, like I want some.
I want more money in my pocket.
Everyone wants more money in their pocket.
You know, I had more money in my pocket when Donald Trump was president.
And, you know, brings me to, you know, he announced I'm like you, 100 percent behind Donald Trump.
That's where I stand.
Uh, the whole Trump DeSantis narrative I think needs to die.
Um, I do believe DeSantis agrees with that.
I don't think Ron DeSantis is going to run for president.
That's my opinion.
I think at some point he's going to endorse Trump, uh, hopefully for, for president.
I want to see, uh, Trump then DeSantis, not this Trump versus DeSantis.
It's, it's, it's, it's really ridiculous and everybody seems to be doing it now.
Even Newsmax a little bit today, they were having these panels.
Oh, you know, Trump and DeSantis.
Okay.
They have everything on the graphics like, oh, text this for Trump, text this for DeSantis.
And it gets a little crazy.
So what do you think about that?
We're going to be joined by Sean in a few minutes.
What do you think about this whole Trump-DeSantis thing?
It's just another distraction that's been manipulated and fabricated by the Democratic Party.
You know, I mean, I don't think that I don't think DeSantis challenges Trump.
I think DeSantis is a stand-up guy, and I think that, you know, all this stuff about him being aligned with the establishment, Paul Ryan, all these other guys, I mean, look, that stuff will come out with the laundry, but, you know, at the end of the day, you know, he's done a hell of a job for the residents of Florida, and he's committed to another four years.
If he had aspirations to run for president, you know, I think he would probably have announced, rather than running for governor again.
I mean, that's just my take.
I mean, the guy has a lot of money in this campaign.
He really doesn't need to maintain his position as the governor.
In order to win the election in 24 with Trump off the ballot, there's a lot of things that he would have to do.
And I don't think he could do that while being the governor of Florida simultaneously.
So I think it's all going to fade away.
I think we're seeing the resounding support by members of Congress that we all support.
And people like us are coming out to support Trump.
And I think that's going to push the narrative away.
And I think Trump knew that.
And that's why he intended and that's why he planned on announcing what he did, because he knew that he had a distinct level of congressional members that were going to come out and support him that would squash the narrative.
I mean, Byron Donaldson, for example, great congressman from Florida.
He came out right away and said, I support Trump.
I mean, what does that say for you?
Yeah, and it's known that Byron and DeSantis are good buddies too, you know?
And if you go on Truth Social, you can see a lot of these people endorsing Trump because Trump keeps re-truthing the endorsement.
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So, all right, JR, are you still with me?
All right.
Let's, uh, let's bring in, let's bring in Sean Farish.
Uh, we got Sean, the co-founder of Long Island Loud Majority.
There he is.
What's happening, Sean?
Oh, I cannot hear Alan.
Oh no.
I can hear you.
All right.
Let's see if we get that worked on.
Oh, technical difficulties today.
We started the show, they had trouble hearing me.
That was my fault.
The muting on my side was my fault.
I gotta take accountability for that.
We'll see if we can get him back.
If you guys get him up, just bring him on and we'll get going.
You know, I have to say, you know, New York, the blue state, Sean in New York also, I can't even begin to explain and describe the amount of work Sean has put in grassroots for the midterm cycle.
I mean, instrumental in turning some local elections.
I mean, really, really tremendous organization.
Long Island Loud Majority actually have the shirt on, my Loud Majority shirt.
And he, New York is sending 11 Republicans to D.C., I mean, Long Island, they flipped all four congressional seats.
And it's, you can almost argue because some of the last seats, I think that were called in In Congress, we're from California.
You could argue that California and New York, you know, pushed the majority in the House over the edge.
I mean, really, really helped in getting that majority.
Sean, can you hear us?
Yes, I got you now.
I see you.
I love your sweatshirt.
I just want to say before we keep going, the guy right above me right here, J.R.
Majewski, did one hell of a job running in Ohio 9.
One of the best guys I've ever met in the entire process.
He ran an incredible campaign.
And I'm proud to know him.
I'm proud to call him a friend.
And I'm happy to be on here with him tonight.
But I just want everyone to know who's watching.
This guy right here, he's awesome.
And he's going places.
So I can't wait to see what's next for JR.
Thanks, brother.
I'm going to be hanging out with you guys for a little while.
I know that.
We got some work to do.
We got some work to do.
We got to get the boss elected.
And we got to figure out how we take the country back in the interim.
I think there were some good ideas floating around, too.
You know, Sean, you were talking about it last night with the doctor, the great Dr. Cordy Williams.
And it's funny because before I even tuned into that stream, I was I was talking about this with with some other with some other people, the guys from Steak for Breakfast podcast and some other people saying, hey, you know, ballot harvesting isn't illegal in New York.
New York could do a lot of damage playing fire with fire and do it better than the Democrats.
You know, I mean, this could be an unbelievable movement.
So but for the record, I will say that I want Election Day to go to to be back to normal.
I mean, I don't want the mail in votes.
I don't want the early voting.
I want Election Day, not election season.
But with that being said, it seems that this is the new norm now, the new normal election system, which I don't like.
But now as Republicans, Sean, wouldn't you agree that now we have to play the game better than the Democrats?
Yes.
And I think that if we are if we.
Folks like us want election day, not election season.
I want to see the overwhelming majority of votes cast done on one day, not over the course of 15 days and 30 days in the mail.
But the way we get to that point is by putting people in places of power to make those changes, because right now we don't have the ability to do that.
Our pieces are not positioned on the board to make that type of strike.
So, while we are given the resources and the ability to accumulate votes, or I should say accumulate ballots, Because there is a difference between a ballot and a vote.
A vote is your conscious decision in support of somebody.
A ballot is your vessel to do that.
And the Democrats have placed more value on ballots because by doing so they've placed less value on issues.
They don't have to earn votes anymore.
They just have to go out there and collect ballots.
And that's the way they're able to win in all these swing states.
You know, so what I want to do, over the course of the next two years, is literally do what they do and just do it a little bit better.
The best part about it is, because so many Republicans come out on election day, we don't even have to ballot harvest better than Democrats.
We just have to upset a lot of the harvesting that they're already doing.
Because you see, we come out on election day, 55% of our registered voters to party come out on election day, If we're able to stack another 15% over that 15-day period, whether it's the mail or in-person early voting, we win.
We win so many seats.
You see 24, you'll be flipping six, seven Senate seats by doing that because there are eight or nine states right now on the electoral map in 2024.
That are flippable.
There's a Democrat running in Montana.
There's a Democrat running in West Virginia, Joe Manchin.
There's a Democrat running in Virginia, Tim Kaine.
There's a Democrat running in Arizona, Kirsten Sinema.
There's a Democrat running in Wisconsin, in Michigan, in Pennsylvania, in Nevada.
They're all up in 24.
So the fact that we can actually flip a bunch of those seats and take a big majority into the Senate with a Republican president, Gaining us in a Republican House in 24.
It's right there.
All we have to do is play this game by their rules better than them or offset what they do through the mail.
And we're unstoppable.
It's so easy, in my opinion, to do it.
And I'm excited to try and work with people all across the country to figure out a way to do something like that, because it's not illegal.
It's not cheating.
But if we want it to go away, once we do it better than them, that's when you're going to see it get banned.
Yeah.
I don't think it's legal in certain areas.
I was looking at the website.
They have some restrictions.
Oh, you can only Bring ballots of your immediate family and there are some, you know, legalities.
New York has nothing.
There's nothing.
There's no law specifying it.
There's bills, you know, trying to prohibit ballot harvesting, obviously from Republicans sitting in there, I think from 2021, which are going to expire anyway.
But I'm with you, Sean, and I am ready all in, jumping in to do whatever is necessary to work with whoever is necessary.
You know, I want to do it in New York and assist anywhere else I can around the country.
And I'm, I'm sure, you know, guys like JR, JR, I'm sure you'd, you'd, you'd step up and get involved.
And even, you know, we all know Scott Pressler is he's in Georgia right now with his, you know, and, and not doing well health wise, walking with a cane with a blood disease.
And he's, he's drove there, filled up his trunk and drove there so he can help Herschel Walker in the, in the runoff.
So, you know, we just have to, we, We have to develop an infrastructure and get it going.
It'll take some money and I'm willing to throw money at it.
And I'm sure there's a lot of other people that are willing to throw money at it to do it.
Like you said, Sean, just do, do this.
What do we want to call it?
A harvest operation, whatever.
And like you said, don't even have to do it that much and get it going and get it started.
And I think like you, like, like you mentioned, I think we could flip a lot of seeds going into 2024.
And you don't even have to harvest when you think about this, too.
You don't even have to go and pick up these ballots.
What I would do, and I would take this approach, is look at your likely voters and don't worry about them.
They're going to vote anyway.
Those are the people that are always going to come on election day.
Alan, I don't want you to vote by mail.
JR, I don't want you to vote by mail.
I'm not going to vote by mail, right?
I want to find the people who missed this cycle.
Who don't vote in primaries, and who come out once out of every four presidential elections, who don't know when elections are.
Those are the people I want to send ballots to.
Because that's adding votes, doing it the other way, saying, oh, you voted on election day this year?
Well, you got to vote by mail next year.
Well, it's a zero-sum game, because you're not adding any votes, you're just putting them in the mail instead of putting them in on election day, and it doesn't do anything.
I want to find the non-likely voters, the ones that pollsters can't find, The ones that the Democrats always seem to find.
I want to find the ones that skip on election cycle.
My vote doesn't count.
It doesn't matter.
Don't worry about it.
Instead of dragging them to the polls, which is a hard thing to do, we drag the polls to them, which is an easy thing to do.
Here you go.
Gen Z, for instance, they would love to vote by mail because they don't have to do anything.
It's sitting on their table.
They fill it in.
They stick it in the mailbox.
I voted.
Yay.
I don't get a sticker, but I voted.
This is easy.
And the fact that we're not doing it, I always equate it to a hockey team, right?
Picture a hockey team who the first two periods of the game decide we're not going to score.
We're going to do it all the third period.
When you get to the third period, you're down five votes.
Chances are you're not going to win.
Or five goals, anyway.
Chances are you're not going to win.
You know, five votes takes a long time to count in Maricopa County.
But seriously, if you're a football team and all you want to do is score in the fourth quarter and you're down 30 points, you're going to lose.
So why would we do that?
Why would we put all of our eggs in one basket to vote only on one day?
I want that to be the way it is.
And we'll be able to make that the way it is once we take their system away from them.
Put our people in power and then go guess what?
You know what?
No more confusion.
Everybody come out and vote on one day.
You want to do early voting?
It starts three days before the election.
It ends right before the election starts.
You want to do mail-in balloting?
We're going to be very, very restrictive over who gets a mail-in ballot and I would say Your mail in ballots have to be postmarked before early voting begins, because you've got those ballots 30 some odd days before the election, you know who you're voting for.
Once early voting begins, you can no longer mail in a ballot that would stop the delayed counts that would stop Oh, we found we found votes, they would stop Pennsylvania from being able to say, Oh, we're going to count votes for the next week.
Your ballot must be postmarked if the day is November 8 must be postmarked by November 5.
This way it's all in it's all ready to go and there's no delays.
This is a really easy fix, but we got to put our people in place to do it first.
And that's why I want to play their game better.
J.R.
what are your thoughts?
Yeah, I agree with the I agree.
I agree with Sean.
I mean, I think it's an excellent strategy.
I think one of the one of the weak points that we have is the fact that the consultant class runs politics so heavily.
And You know, there's a monetary benefit in this for them, you know, to only play and to throw all your eggs in one basket in the third quarter because, you know, they make money and they profit off of the chaos.
And, you know, really what I think we also need to consider is, you know, we need leadership in the Republican Party that isn't complacent.
And we need to run parallel paths because in many states such as Ohio, you know, you have a lot of rules on ballot harvesting.
And, you know, perhaps a strategy in a state like Ohio is instead of, you know, going towards the fire with respect to, you know, the legality of it all, you know, you could mobilize a lot of poll watchers and people watching the ballot boxes.
I think that's, you know, another opportunity.
I mean, you have people that are, I mean, 2,000 mules told us a lot.
And that's a process that's being used in states like Ohio where, you know, it's illegal to You know, harvest ballots.
So it's it's it's going to be a strategic thing.
And, you know, unfortunately, I think that many of the leaders in the party right now that would actually have the time and the wherewithal to dedicate to something like this are extremely complacent and they're not hungry.
And we need a hungry Republican.
We need somebody that knows how to run something, a strategic operation like this.
And that's why I'm And I know you guys are, but I'm a big supporter of Lee Zeldin getting heavily involved with the RNC.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, I think Lee Zeldin should be replacing Rona McDaniels.
What do you think, Sean?
I think Lee Zeldin, because he is a younger guy, but he gets how to adapt with the times.
He ran the closest race in New York that we probably are ever going to see.
I hate to be Debbie Downer about New York, but I mean, a lot of people are gone.
They're packing their bags and going, they don't want to sit here four more years, Kathy Hochul.
But we could always run that race closer if we do set up some sort of ballot harvesting operation here again in four more years.
You don't know who's going to be running for governor.
Is there going to be a candidate as strong as Eldon?
I don't know.
But I do know that that man puts his heart and soul, 100% effort into everything he does.
And we need that type of new leadership with the RNC.
Is he going to adopt and go straight into this ballot harvesting type thing?
I don't know.
But I do know one thing about him is that he will listen.
And he will decide he will he will be able to at least look at it and go, Hey, that sounds like a pretty good idea.
Or I don't really know if that's the way to do it.
You know, when we talk about when I talk about ballot harvesting, too, again, we don't have to send people like mules to go pick up hundreds of ballots.
We've got to do what the Democrats did here in New York before this election.
A lot of people thought it was election fraud.
What it was was brilliant.
They sent to all of their registered voters pre filled out absentee request forms where literally all the voter had to do was sign that.
Yes, that's my name.
That's my address.
Send it in the mail and they would get a ballot.
They didn't even have to do the request themselves.
They got the requests sent to them.
So when we target those unlikely voters, we send them the requests that are already filled out.
All they have to do is go, yeah, that's me.
Out it goes.
Now we have the data, we have those houses.
We can either go knock on those doors and follow up with them and say, hey, sir, ma'am, We know that you were sent the request form.
Did you request your ballot?
Do you need help?
Do you have any questions about the process?
And make sure that they're participating.
Because the more people we get involved, the more points we put on the board, any way possible, the better chance we have of winning.
I think Zeldin understands, maybe not that aspect of it as a whole, but how to compete in the new arena She's one of those animals that is not going to evolve and wind up going extinct.
The rhinos are going extinct.
The old way of playing ball is going extinct.
Like like J.R. said, she's not hungry.
She's OK with how these things go.
She's OK with going on the old school.
She's one of those animals that is not going to evolve and wind up going extinct.
The rhinos are going extinct.
The way the old way of playing ball is going extinct.
That's why Donald Trump coming in in 2016 changed the game.
Did he go low on some guys with personal attacks?
Yes.
But he's a fighter.
And there's nobody that I know in the history of politics or in politics right now that could take the amount of heat and persecution and attacks that Donald Trump did and just keep going.
I mean, if it happened to anybody else, you think they're there last night saying, I'm running for president again?
Absolutely not.
But this guy's doing it because he cares, because he wants to win, because he's stubborn.
That's the new way to lead.
He's a little older.
Zeldin's only 42.
Zeldin can adopt that type of strategy and that type of style and take the Republican Party and put it in an area where they start winning elections again.
Absolutely.
And let's face it, Donald Trump, there's nothing else for him to gain.
He was president already.
There's nothing else for him to gain.
He's putting his life out there again.
To run for president, I'd love to see it.
But again, you have the narrative, you have the mainstream media.
Well, Trump cost us this election.
Like I said earlier, Trump's a private citizen.
He didn't cost us anything.
The GOP leadership, that's their fault.
And Donald Trump, the private citizen, had nothing to do with it, but they're saying that.
Your favorite women on The View, Sean, are saying that he's running for president to grift off the presidency and to avoid indictment.
I mean, literally, this just just, you know, 24, 48 hours.
And now we have two years of this and it's going to get worse.
There are Republicans, you know, never Trumpers.
Oh, we shouldn't have announced now.
He thinks because announcing now no one else is going to run, you know, and, and this is all of, all of the, the, the shots are being fired.
So, you know, people like you, JR, me, everyone out there that, that, that support him, we have a lot, we have a lot of work to do and we'll be taking, we'll be taking, we'll be taking fire ourselves.
I mean, you have to agree with that, right?
I'm still taking it.
So, and I'm going to continue to take it.
You know what I mean?
I mean, My entire campaign was about being attacked and and having big shoulders and continuing to fight on.
So, you know, I'm fully prepared for it.
I'm just I'm hopeful that the president surrounds himself with the right people.
You know, he he he did have that challenge, you know, during multiple times, you know, during his candidacy and, you know, with the reelection.
But I think.
From what I've seen during the campaign cycle, you know, the multiple times that I've been around him and the folks he's he's got You know, the right the right people.
Absolutely.
I think there's some small changes that he can make.
And, you know, from what I saw watching, you know, the the event at Mar-a-Lago and the faces that I saw there, faces that haven't been around in quite some time.
One of them, you know, we love.
Not that he hasn't been around in quite some time, but, you know, he obviously was left out by certain consultants and people that were around President Trump.
The fact that he was invited, he was there, that shows me that Trump's got the right mindset and he knows who he needs around him to win.
Because this is not going to be easy for him.
No doubt.
And I think he's going to win.
I'm confident he's going to win.
But it's not going to be easy.
He's going to get attacked left and right.
And the establishment is definitely going to team up with the mainstream media.
And don't be fooled, people.
The Republican Party establishment works with the left-wing media.
They work with them every day, multiple times a day, nine times out of ten when a leak comes out or something comes out against a Republican, you can bet your rear end that it came from a Republican operative.
That is the nasty dealings that goes on in Washington, D.C.
These people have absolutely no soul when it comes to You know, fighting for what they want and retaining their power.
Yeah.
And I think it's going to be important for, again, people like us and everyone out there supporting them.
You know, social media has to play a big part, unfortunately, in the election.
They saw what I think Facebook said.
He's a presidential candidate.
Don't fact check Donald Trump, the presidential candidate anymore, which I was I was interesting to see.
But I don't know.
I haven't seen anything, maybe you guys know.
Did they reactivate his Facebook account?
I went on it and it said political candidate, but I haven't been on it in a while to see if that was new.
Any insight on that?
Do we know?
I don't think they reactivated his account.
I think they've just held it because it garners a lot of attention, but I don't think he has access to it.
Well, you know, hey Facebook, is that...
Seems like election meddling to me.
I mean, you have someone running for the highest, highest office of the land.
And I mean, you got to give him back his account.
I mean, you know, I don't understand how that would even how that would even fly.
I don't get it.
But, you know, the media, it's we know it's not going to stop.
The social media is going to be an important tool.
And All three of us have platforms, okay, in different ways, and social media presence.
My Facebook page, 42,000 followers, the week before election day, they started throttling it down.
The week before election day, my post engagement was over 10 million.
Now I'm just over a million, like posts reached, however they work that out every 28 days.
Now I notice today, It's starting to climb up again.
It's amazing how they do that.
And then a few weeks before the midterms, they knock out my Instagram account.
No, no strikes, no nothing.
Like, yep, you can't have it anymore.
8,000 followers and you're gone.
You're just, just like that with no account violations at all.
So this is what we're going to, I think, keep seeing throughout these two years.
And I think it's just going to get worse because I would say, I guess, since he became president, There hasn't been this many podcasts out there, social media influencers, platforms, all these platforms that emerged.
Conservative Leaning, America First.
There are a tremendous amount of us out there.
And, you know, when are they going to start really coming after us?
Are they going to wait when, you know, more candidates start announcing?
When are they going to?
I have a feeling that, you know, Sean, you've had Facebook pages take, how many of you had taken down like three or four?
Oh, I had more than that.
I actually I had I had my original one taken down.
We've had we've lost three groups.
There was a point in time where after the 2020 election, because I was so upset about the fraud, and I was I was very vocal about that, that they actually I'm pretty sure flagged my old phone.
It's MAC address, not the IP because I can hide the IP on VPN.
But the actual device signature, the MAC address, you know, meaning the Anything that that phone did was not permitted on Facebook for a period of time.
So I could make a new account.
I could use a different name.
I was able to make an account.
Using my friend's name with his ID to confirm who he was, and it would not let my phone make that account because my phone itself was flagged.
That's 2020.
We're in 2022 now.
We know this is going on, but the good thing is, you see, we got Getter, we got Truth, you got Frank Speech, you got Rumble, you got Gab, you have all of these new platforms that are out.
So if you get knocked off, we've got a place to go.
In 2020 we had Parlor until they took that away and we were out there just drifting in limbo.
We had to go on Telegram and go underground for a little bit.
Now we've got these alternatives that are out there and they're good platforms.
So what I say to everybody about that is, you know, oh well I don't want to make that, it's an echo chamber.
Make it because you have to make it and start growing your influence over there as well.
Because when the day of reckoning comes when Facebook decides Alan and JR and Sean and everybody else not allowed on our platform anymore, at least we'll have a place to go.
We want to start from scratch then.
Yeah.
And you know, places like Getter and Truth Social, you know, they were nice enough to, you know, I think we all have verified accounts on Getter.
We all have verified accounts on Truth Social.
Getter allows, you know, you, Sean, and myself to live stream there, our shows and whatnot.
So yeah, both of those platforms are great.
Gab, I go on from time to time.
I should probably get more active on Gab.
I wish my largest Following wasn't on Facebook, but unfortunately it is.
And I'm trying to slowly bring them onto other platforms and I noticed slowly, but surely it's, it's working.
I have an older crowd over there, but they're all starting to make their own accounts and, and, and try to get them over to rumble, get off of YouTube, go to rumble, get off of YouTube, go to rumble.
But Sean and JR, this question's for you too.
Both of your, your opinions on moving right now, where we are, how we're, how, what's the best way.
You could say to move the MAGA movement forward.
K.R., you go.
Really, I think it's being actively engaged, not being, you know, cycle conservatives, couch front, you know, conservatives where, you know, we only pop up around the election season.
You know, for us, that's hard not to do, right?
Or that's hard to do.
We're active all the time, every day.
But, you know, for the people out there, it's not just enough to talk about it on social media anymore.
It's not just enough to go on the Internet and, you know, research issues, right?
Once you have the information, I mean, you have to weaponize it and you have to be actively engaged in your communities.
And to be honest, I'd like to see our viewer counts drop because our listeners and people following us are out in the community raising hell for the America First movement.
Um, you know, that's where we have to be.
I mean, everyone in this day and age has to be an activist to, you know, to push things forward.
The other thing is, is we have to, uh, we have to donate, right?
Um, be it our time or our money, whatever we can do.
Um, and I think if we find the right candidates and we're backing them and supporting them vocally, you know, through, you know, Showing up to their events or supporting them on socials or giving them five bucks a month, whatever that may be.
I mean, that's going to embolden other people to do the same.
And, you know, it's going to be a tough road to 24.
You know, we have the House back, but if we don't get the right leaders, I mean, you might as well say that we lost.
And, you know, the Senate's obviously gone, but if we can get one more vote in Herschel Walker, I think that's going to make it a little bit easier for us.
We all have to be supporting the America First Movement.
There's going to be a lot of propaganda that's coming out.
It's already starting.
I mean, we talked about DeSantis today.
That's an effort from the left wing to divide the America First Movement.
The other thing is we talked about candidate quality, right?
They're going to want to convince us that for the 24 cycle that we don't want MAGA candidates or MAGA candidates.
Moderate Republicans, because they're going to say in 22, the moderates won.
That's a bunch of bullcrap.
They're going to use everything that just happened last week to set the stage for 24.
And we have to be emboldened, brazen enough and smart enough to stand up against it, because it's going to come and it's going to come hard.
And there's going to be big microphones pushing that narrative.
Sean, got about 30 seconds.
Bring us home.
Yeah, MAGA means Make America Great Again.
Make America Great Again.
And as much as I love this hoodie, I'm tired of abbreviating it MAGA.
If you're a MAGA Republican, it means you want to Make America Great Again.
People have to understand that that's what this word stands for.
And if you stand against that, you are the problem.
So when we reach out to those fence-sitting independents that are in the community that are, well, I don't know about Trump, but the Democrats aren't doing a very good job.
Sir, ma'am, do you want to make America great again or do you want it to keep getting worse?
It's a very easy choice and those are the conversations we have to have.
Well, there you have it.
It's great having you guys on.
It's great.
It's great hosting for the great Roger Stone also.
So everybody, we got to cut it short.
Thank you for being here.
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