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March 28, 2026 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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Immigrants Are Not the Biggest Threat, This Is | Geert Wilders

Geert Wilders argues that Islamic immigration has transformed Western Europe into environments resembling Arab nations, creating an existential threat to freedom incompatible with independent judiciaries and civil liberties. Citing cases like Theo van Gogh's murder and polls showing 60% of Dutch Muslims prioritize Sharia over secular law, he warns of a slide toward a "second Iran." After collapsing the Dutch government due to coalition failures on immigration, Wilders asserts that reversing this trend requires de-Islamizing society, noting that worsening conditions are necessary before improvement, though he remains optimistic about returning to politics. [Automatically generated summary]

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Borders vs Freedom in Europe 00:05:09
dave rubin
So to be here at CPAC in a country that has proper borders, unlike your country, I suppose it's satisfying in some sense, but probably also a little depressing in a way.
geert wilders
It is, you know, if you go to my part of Europe, Western Europe, not only in Holland, but if you go to Brussels or Berlin or London or Paris, you feel yourself like in an Arab nation, you know, it's unrecognizable.
People feel foreigners in their own neighborhood, in our own city, in our own village, indeed, because of the influx of also all the asylum seekers from the Islamic world.
And it's not just something that we are unhappy about, it's an existential threat, you know.
In the economy, you can lower the taxes or raise them and you can play with it.
But Islam is an existential problem because if we won't stop it, it will end our freedom.
You know, I'm convinced that Islam and freedom are incompatible.
Go to look at any nation today in the world where Islam is already dominant and strong.
You see a total lack of freedom.
You see a lack of independent judiciary.
You see no civil society.
You see everything is lacking.
And that at the end of it, we are becoming like a second Iran today.
And that is something that the people do not want.
And that Hungary indeed does not have.
A young girl can here go with her girlfriends, with her friends on the street to a party without being arrested.
In Holland, it's almost impossible to happen.
dave rubin
Almost unthinkable.
And my friend Ayan Hersi Ali, obviously you know the story of Theo van Gogh and just slowly what has happened to all the European countries.
Why were you ahead on this?
Why were you talking about this so much earlier?
Because now it's more okay to talk about.
It's still controversial, but you were doing this a long time ago.
geert wilders
Well, you know, when I was a teenager, I lived for a few years in Israel, in Moshaf, also for half a year in the Bekat Hayadana, the Jordan Valley.
And at that time, the Lebanese border was safe, but the Jordanese border was not.
So at that time, I was 17, 18, 19 years old.
We had to run to the shelters because terrorists from Jordan came in and the army came with helicopters, giving this magnesium flares and kill them.
And I was just a teenager, you know.
So later I tried to study it.
I went to visit when I was not in my personal security problems yet.
I went to visit to all the almost all Islamic and Arab nations I visited.
And I saw that I met very friendly people.
But I also saw that they had in common that they had a total leadership and an ideology in charge called Islam.
And once again, Jordan is not Egypt and Syria is not Iran, Shia is not Sonia, whatever.
But they all have own freedom in common.
And we are importing it.
The French did at the beginning from Algeria.
Other nations did it from their former colonies or just open borders.
And you saw our identity changing.
You saw our values changing.
You saw the Sharia growing.
You saw that freedom was lacking.
And I thought, well, we have to stop it.
And it's not easy to do it.
I've got many fatras.
I've been taken to court.
My wife and I had to stay in prison cells, not as prisoners, but just to be safe in army barracks.
We're living in a safe house from the government now for more than 20 years.
So it's not easy to do, but it's the only way because people have to wake up.
And even today, at this wonderful scene, it's all France in CPAC.
You see very few people having the guts to talk about the real issue.
It's not about immigration.
I don't mind if a Canadian or American engineer comes to work for a Dutch company.
I'm talking about the influx of Islamic immigration, which is totally changing Europe.
dave rubin
So do you think there's any chance that the countries that have already opened up their borders will be able to fix this?
geert wilders
Well, you know, it's two minutes to 12, maybe even two minutes over 12.
But I'm a politician, so by nature, I am, and I have to be positive.
And you see also in Europe that parties like mine and many countries are getting stronger.
are maybe not leading everywhere, but are getting stronger.
And the people are fed up.
Unfortunately, it has to get worse because before it gets better.
But we cannot afford to wait much longer, you know, because it's very difficult to reverse it.
And we should reverse it.
We should de-Islamize our society.
If you don't adhere to our values, if you want Sharia law instead of our constitution, if you believe, as many Dutch Muslims do, more than 60% believed that the rules from the Islamic Sharia law, that's what they said in a poll from a leftist university who polled it, is more important than the secular laws made by parliament, then there is no room for you in our societies.
And we have to be tough on it.
If we don't, at the end of the day, and that will be very soon, we will lose our freedom and we have nothing left.
dave rubin
Well, I mentioned to you right before we started that my mom's side of the family is Dutch and we still have family members there and they are Jewish and they're huge supporters of yours and praying that you will return to politics.
So my last question is about your political future.
So if I understand it correctly, you collapsed the government because basically you couldn't get enough parties to do what you wanted as it related to this, correct?
Family Hopes for Political Return 00:00:45
geert wilders
I was not prime minister, like you said.
I was the leader of the biggest party.
The leader of the biggest party.
But we made an agreement.
And the most important thing that we went to the biggest party, we gained the most of the seats, was to beat immigration and Islamic immigration and asylum seekers.
And they didn't deliver.
So I could not go back to my voters and say we stay because we really like our jobs, but they don't deliver.
That's why, unfortunately, I didn't want to, but I had to stop the government.
But I'm sure we will be back.
dave rubin
Thank you, sir.
unidentified
My pleasure.
geert wilders
Thank you so much.
dave rubin
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