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July 18, 2018 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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dave rubin ▲ ● ▼
All right, guys.
First off, sorry about the delay there.
I'm just gonna start slowly here today, because we had another link that we normally set up through the TriCaster, through our studio cameras, and the whole freaking thing, and then the TriCaster Some of you know about the TriCaster.
The TriCaster is like one of the few ways that you can sort of build out a studio and control all the cameras and all that.
It is a notoriously herky-jerky thing that often has crazy bugs.
And Amira here, our director, who is an absolute pro at all this and has been doing this for years, she did every possible thing imaginable so that we could be doing this normally as we normally do it through our regular cameras and all that good stuff.
And I'm mic'd up.
And it's lit well and everything, but for some reason the TriCaster just didn't want to play along.
I don't know what the hell's going on.
So we're doing this old school, people.
I've got my laptop right in front of me, and we're just, we're gonna do it this way.
There's a whole bunch of stuff that I want to catch up with you guys on.
You know, I've been on this tour with JP, Jordan Peterson, and because of that, for the last Whatever it is, almost six, eight weeks, I haven't been doing direct messages at the front end of the shows.
And that's usually when I'm able to tell you guys what I've been thinking about, what's on my mind, what I think is relevant and important and all that stuff.
But we just haven't been able to do that because although we've taped some shows in advance, usually when I'm doing something that's on my mind at the moment, there's a bit of a topical nature to it.
So I don't want to tape a DM even a week in advance.
And then lay it out when it feels stale or old.
So I haven't had a moment in the last couple weeks to just go directly to you guys.
What I have had is a couple chances to do that with those of you who are on Patreon because I do the one-on-ones and the group hangouts and all that kind of stuff.
So I've been able to share some thoughts about this tour and just all the kinds of stuff that's going on.
And then I want to share some personal stuff, some business stuff.
We're gonna do an AMA.
You guys can ask me anything.
You can do that on Super Chat right here.
So for those of you that don't know how Super Chat works, If you throw in a couple bucks in the YouTube comments section, it bumps your comments up.
I'm pretty sure that the more you put, the longer it stays up there, then my guys can see it and they send it to me.
We've got a trusty iPad here with Patreon questions rolling in and with super chat comments rolling in and all that good stuff.
We are streaming right now.
We're only streaming on YouTube.
Sometimes we stream this on on Facebook as well, but because of this whacked out TriCaster
situation, we're just doing it this way. Yes, I am wearing the classical liberal t-shirt. Many
of you guys saw... No, this is a good place to start, actually. So last week we posted, I
believe it was... Was it last Tuesday, if I'm not mistaken?
A week ago today we posted our first ever Rubin Report animated video.
It was a 2 minute 37 second video.
It was a short that I wrote and did the voiceover for and we got a great animator who came in and we did What is Classical Liberalism?
It got something like, last I saw I think it had around 650,000 views On Twitter I think it's got about 100,000 on YouTube, which is kind of an interesting little thing about the algorithms and whatever else is going on here with the feeds or however you guys ingest this content.
There's something interesting happening.
So think about this.
I have about, last I saw I think it's around 400 some odd thousand Twitter followers.
The video on Twitter got about 700,000 views.
We have almost 800,000 subscribers on YouTube, so basically double the subscribers that I have on Twitter.
The video got, last I saw it was a little bit under 100,000 views.
Now you guys, I keep bumping into you guys on the street or when I go to the Peterson events or you guys email me and you keep telling me I'm subscribed but I don't see the videos, I don't know what's going on with the feed.
I get the usual nonsense from YouTube.
I don't know what the answer to any of it is anymore.
I'm just gonna keep putting out stuff and hopefully for those of you that don't see the videos in your feeds or wherever they are, hopefully you do a little extra legwork to find the stuff.
But we're doing the best we can.
We're also working on a couple things that I can't quite get into yet on that front.
How was that for a tease?
We're just working on some stuff on that front.
Anyway, we put this video out and what I wanted to do with this was, because obviously in the last two years, and I think it has a little
something to do with what we've been doing around here, the ideas of classical liberalism have
been catching on. And something sort of beautiful happened today that I'm sure many of you
saw. Barack Obama, former president Barack Obama, was given a speech today and he talked about
how you cannot automatically dismiss people's opinions just because they're male or just because
they're white.
I mean, I suspect that the conversations that we've all been having here between Peterson and Rogan and the Weinsteins and Sam Harris and Shapiro and everybody else, that these conversations we know, I mean, I can't get into every little detail of how we know everything we know, but we know that these conversations have moved up the ladder.
And then a lot of people all over the world, important powerful people are taking note of this and taking note of the massive amounts of numbers of people that are listening to these podcasts and being influenced by this stuff.
And the fact that Peterson has sold about 2 million books, it may be more than 2 million already.
About a month ago, it was one and a half million.
I mean, this thing is, it's actually incredible.
When I was in D.C.
a couple weeks ago for the Peterson event, and then I did a sold-out show.
I'm back doing stand-up, and I did a sold-out show at the D.C.
Improv.
It was awesome.
Thank you for all of you guys that came there, and we did a meet-and-greet after, which was totally fun.
It was great.
I brought up Christina Hoff Summers for the second half of the show.
It was great.
But anyway, I was in D.C.
and I went to this little party, and I can't say who was there because I don't know if he wants to be known as somebody, but there was a senator there who was a very influential senator, one of the most influential senators in all of the Senate, and he was there and I walked in and he's like, hey, Dave Rubin!
I know you're on Toro Peterson!
I'm reading his book right now!
So cool things are happening.
This stuff is starting to percolate, and I don't think it's a coincidence.
That Barack Obama came out and did a real, that was a real swipe of identity politics.
And, you know, it's interesting because there's so many things happening here at once, and we're watching the massive realignment of politics and media.
It's all happening together.
This is the fertile ground we've been talking about for the last couple of years here.
We're watching it sort of all shake out right now, and we don't know what will be on the other side, but it's exciting, I think, if you're aware And you got a couple neurons still firing and you're paying attention to what's going on.
So when Barack Obama does that, that's a signal, I think, to some of the sane lefties.
And by the way, there are sane lefties, right?
I used to know a lot of them.
And we need, I think, a sane left and a sane right.
And I would love to see, for all of my frustrations with the left that you guys know I talk about all the time, and I hate identity politics, and I hate what the Democratic Party has become, and the oppression Olympics, and all of this nonsense, and I think they're way too big government, and all of that.
For all of that, if the sane part of the left came back, the part of the left that for those of you that are libertarian or conservative
or whatever that you may disagree with but I think you believe are principled or should at
least believe they're principled.
So if the part of the left that say Brett Weinstein who considered himself deeply progressive
for his whole life believed in or his wife Heather Eying believed in, if that same part of the left
or the part of the left that I once was part of when I considered myself a democrat and when
democrats were actually liberal not leftist when they were open-minded not totalitarian,
If that came back, that would be good for everything.
So there's something interesting going on right now because I see right now, I see three
sort of distinct pieces or we could say, I see three distinct units on the right.
So right now you've got the Trump people, the MAGA people, okay, big column right there.
That's a, that's an ideological column.
Then you have the never Trumpers, the sort of more old school conservatives.
Bam.
Okay.
So you've got the Trump people, but they're thought of on the right or they're thought
of as Republican or conservative, whatever you want to call that.
Then there's also what I, what the part that I like the most, which is, I think there is
a very strong growing libertarian wing of the conservative party.
When I go to these Peterson events, when I speak at colleges, when I do stand up, I talk about libertarian ideas and that's when people get most excited.
So there's three distinct ideologies right now.
Within the right, so to speak, right?
So we've got the Trump people, the never-Trump people, old-school conservatives, and we've got libertarians.
They're all fighting for control of their thing, of their party, of their ideology, all that.
That's great.
That's a beautiful thing.
You know, it's unfortunate when you just see them fighting at each other to the point where they hate each other, and these people are evil, and those people are evil.
That gets nobody anywhere.
What a beautiful thing.
If you have an ideological war the right way, like really fighting out ideas, that's a beautiful thing, and I think that's what we try to do around here, right?
Now on the left, unfortunately, we don't see as much of that because there has been a purging of the liberals and the progressives and the democratic socialists and that crew that wants really big government and that does judge on your skin color and your immutable characteristics and thinks that government can solve all the problems.
They have basically purged out all the sane, I don't want to say sane, all the The more pleasant, thoughtful liberals, let's say.
And I do see, and that's why I said this would be the year of unusual alliances, I see a lot of old-school liberals finding a lot more in common with old-school conservatives or certainly the libertarian people.
And I guess some of them are MAGA people, too.
But there isn't an ideological fight there, really, because it's basically just been a slaughter, where there's almost nobody left.
So that's why today I thought was so interesting, because by Obama saying, in effect, he said, identity politics are bullshit, and you have to be able to listen to people, even scary white men.
Yeah, you have to be able to listen to them, because they might have good ideas.
That's pretty powerful.
And if that signals some sort of comeback on the left of that theory,
and that takes root a little bit, I think that would be great.
And you know, Peterson, in a lot of the events that we talk about,
because one of the things that happens is we do a Q&A at the end.
And what happens is we use an app called Slido.
So when we first started, we were just letting people come up to the mic
to do the Q&A, but what happens is people are so excited, they end up telling their life story,
and they very long winded things, and sometimes they're very nervous,
and they lose their train of thought and a whole bunch of stuff.
And we wanna get to as many questions as possible.
So what we do now is there's an app called Slido, S-L-I-D-O, and people that are in the audience and there's usually three to four to five thousand people at the audience in these shows and it's just been incredible.
I'll tell you a little bit more about that later.
People submit questions on the app and then while Peterson is doing his thing, so basically the way the show works is I go up there for about 10 or 15 minutes.
I do warm-up.
I welcome everybody.
We do some silly stuff.
I talk about lobsters and cleaning your room.
I just get everybody going and everybody's in a great mood and people are screaming and it's just wonderful.
It's none of the things that these awful articles and slime ball, you know, hack pieces are saying about him.
Or about what's going on there.
So anyway, so I do my thing, then I bring out Peterson.
Jordan talks about everything.
Everything under the sun for an hour and a half.
Sometimes he talks about the 12 rules, sometimes he talks about the media, sometimes he talks about the intellectual dark web, sometimes he talks about whatever else is on his mind.
Every single one of these shows has been different.
It's been truly incredible being on this tour.
I mean, the guy is a true tour de force, and whether you love him or hate him or you're indifferent or whatever, It's like, it's just so cool being around it.
I've just thoroughly enjoyed every second of it, and I've enjoyed also just bouncing around from city to city and figuring out which cities I like more, and just the differences of the people.
I gotta say, if any of you guys were at the Nashville show, you were the happiest freaking bunch of people I've ever seen in my entire life.
I don't know what is in the water, In Nashville, but that's the one that really stuck out to me.
We were in the Ryman Theatre, which is from the Grand Old Opry, and just the history there.
But we've been in amazing theatres, and it's so cool because we go to these really old-school theatres that are kind of like Phantom of the Opera.
Then we've been to some newer, more modern theatres, and the people are great.
Anyway, in any event, people submit questions During the show, and then while Jordan's doing his thing, I basically look through them.
And Jordan made it very clear to me from the beginning.
He said, nothing is off limits.
I want you to challenge me, et cetera, et cetera.
So I go through, I find some silly ones, I find some funny ones, I find some painful ones, I find some hard ones, some political ones, some not political ones, some personal ones, psychological questions.
I mean, all sorts of stuff.
And we do that at the end for about 30 to 45 minutes.
And it's just, it's just been absolutely great.
And, you know, it's so funny, because being on this tour with the guy, it's like, as we're on the tour, hit pieces come out.
So like that ridiculous Enforced Monogamy article came out in the New York Times, and I had met the author of it two or three days before she was sitting in the green room with us at our first show in Toronto.
And it's like, she seemed like a great gal.
I talked about this a little bit when I had Jordan in here with Eric Weinstein a couple weeks ago.
And it's like, and then just writes this piece that as if Jordan is trying to force anyone to be married or force women into monogamy or anything and force monogamy, he meant marriage.
That's all he meant.
And it's like you watch these people in these slime bags.
And often I've invited people to come to the show after they've written bad pieces.
There's been a writer.
A guy from The Blaze who spent a couple days with us, who's writing a piece right now, who wrote a profile piece on me a couple months ago, that I think is going to be an excellent piece coming out about the tour, because I took the time to learn to trust the guy, as much as I can trust a reporter, and we spent some time with him and all that.
But unfortunately, you know, what's happened these days because of the clickbait machine that you guys know about, that these guys, all of these reporters, but they're activists.
They're not journalists.
And what they do is they go, holy cow, Peterson's got the number one book.
He's selling out these theaters.
Now he's doing these things with Sam Harris where they're getting, you know, 8,000, 9,000 people overseas.
And it's like, well, instead of learning what's actually going there, instead of actually showing up to the show and reporting on the truth that has nothing to do with racism or misogyny, he's actually giving you the tools by empowering your own life, by cleaning your own room.
He's giving you the tools to not be racist, to not be bigoted, to hate cultural Marxism and the progressive politics of the oppression Olympics, of all of that stuff.
He's telling you hate that, but also, well, not hate it.
That's not even the right word.
Know what it is and know why it's wrong.
And then he's also saying the identity politics of the right are just as bad.
He focuses more on the left, as I focus more on the left, because that seems to be the thing that's the cultural norm that is jammed down our throat every day.
But these reporters, they don't even show up to these things because they just want to write something so that they can get more clicks.
They're just in the click business.
And I don't think any of us, you know, this whole crew of people, IDW, whatever you want to call it, I don't think we're in the click business.
There'd be a lot of ways for us to get more clicks.
I mean, you can look at the way we tag and title all of our videos.
We know if we use certain buzzwords or capitalize certain things differently or Gotcha!
Destroys!
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
So we know we can get more clicks, but it's really not about that.
We're doing good and I try to treat the channel the same way I treat the conversations
that I'm having with you guys.
And I think one of the things that's really happening here is that out of this whole crew of people,
it's like, we genuinely respect you.
I wanna hear from you.
The fact that we go out there now and it's so awesome.
There's been a couple nights where Jordan and I have just walked out into the audience.
Sometimes there's a line around the block.
I mean, literally around four square blocks in Seattle.
It's wrapped around.
It was awesome.
And we just go out there and say hi to people.
When I've been wandering around the cities during the day, people come up to me and they want to take me out to dinner and drink, and I've joined some people sometime.
One night, where the hell was it?
Portland.
I was pretty beat after the show because it had been a long run.
And I went back to my hotel and I was just gonna have a glass of wine at the bar.
And it turned out that like 40 people from the show were there.
We hung out and did our thing there.
So it's just been wonderful and inspiring.
And for me, look, you guys know, I rail against the mainstream media all the time.
And it's like, wow, this thing, being part of this thing has just,
it's been the proof in the pudding.
You know what I mean?
Like, they say the proof is in the pudding.
Well, all the things that I'm always talking about, how these people are lying, and not telling you what's really going on, and really going to these places, and telling you the truth about what's happening, and it's like, I'm there.
I know what's happening.
And then I read these articles, and I'm like, you guys are all crap.
You're all crapola on a stick.
So anyway, Wow, I'm all over the place here.
So we'll back up for a moment.
So we threw up that classical liberal video, two and a half minutes.
I think it got a great reaction.
Tons of views, people were really happy with it.
And I think we're gonna try to do one of those a month.
Which, by the way, those of you who support us either on Patreon or PayPal or Super Chat or whatever you're doing, what you're supporting us with will help us fund those because they're not cheap to make.
But I'm super psyched to do more of those.
I think it's a good way to get quick bites of information to people.
And it's like you can't give everybody everything in two and a half minutes, but what you can do is open the door.
So my hope with that video was somebody would watch that that maybe was kind of like seeing
what's happening on the left and not really sure and doesn't know how to put it into language
to really get out what they're thinking.
My hope is that you'll watch that and go, "All right, there's something there."
And then guess what?
You could do a little research on your own.
You could go buy "On Liberty" by John Stuart Mill.
You can get it for like five bucks on Amazon and start learning about some of these ideas.
And, you know, so we're gonna keep doing more of them.
I think it's really cool.
And that's why I'm wearing the classical liberal shirt today.
And I sense that these ideas are coming back.
And for, you know, all the people right now, there's so many people.
You go on Twitter, you go on all these things, and everybody, the sky is falling.
Everything's horrible.
World War III is going to begin.
I see all these people.
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The new civil war has begun.
dave rubin ▲ ● ▼
Guys, things have been bad in the past.
Things may feel bad now. There's so many good signs also, and that's one of the things Jordan's
been talking about too, and in a book that I have right over there, Steven Pinker, Enlightenment Now,
there are so many trends about how violence is actually on the decrease now, how forestation,
I think, in North America is actually expanding, how clean water is now accessible to more people
I mean, all sorts of things, but we always focus on the negative.
And that doesn't mean there aren't things to fix.
And boy, do we have a political, whacked out political situation right now, and people that are just really angry at each other, often for no good reason.
And we have also a set now of media people who just want to keep you enraged all the time.
And I just don't want to have anything to do with that stuff.
So I'm just going to keep doing what I think is right.
So anyway, so here's what I want to do.
There are a few other things that I want to tell you about, but I do want to do a Q&A also, so I know there were a zillion questions in Patreon already.
We'll jump in on Super Chat, so if you're watching this live on YouTube right now, you throw in a couple bucks, your question gets bumped up, and the more I think you put in, the longer it'll stay there so that we can see it.
And I've got an iPad, so they're sending me stuff.
Okay.
Oh, Bunty King says, I'm a sexy boy.
Spelled B-O-I.
I guess thank you, Bunty King.
Do you feel like the ringmaster of the IDW?
So I kind of feel a little bit like the connective tissue of some of this stuff.
You know what I mean?
I'm not an academic.
I'm not.
Jordan is an academic.
Brett is an academic.
Eric is an academic.
Heather is an academic.
I don't have a PhD in neuroscience like Sam Harris.
But what I think I am is someone who can communicate these ideas really well, who is curious about this stuff, who really probably is a little more like you in a lot of ways than I am like these guys.
And I happen to be part of these conversations.
It's the stuff that I think about, that I'm deeply passionate about, that I care about, that I love being part of this thing.
Some of you guys may have seen the picture from about a week and a half ago.
Where me and Rogan and Eric Weinstein and Peterson and Sam Harris and Shapiro went out to dinner and it's like someone took a picture and they posted it and it was like wow the amount of retweets the thousands tens of thousands of retweets and comments and then of course all the haters saying all sorts of ridiculous things but it's like you guys are invested in this thing I know it I can feel it when you come up to me at the airport like something is shifting And I think at some level, and I've been saying this at some of the shows, I think at some level we're winning right now, which is why some of this stuff I do think is even bubbling up to where perhaps there was some connection where Barack Obama starts talking anti-identity politics.
Pretty great.
I'm not saying it's directly connected to us, but ideas kind of move up and around, and people start talking about things.
Oh, did you read the Peterson book today?
Did you hear Shapiro and Peterson and Weinstein talking on a Rubin show?
Like, you guys know how this all works, right?
So I'm super excited about all that.
So I love being part of this thing, and I feel like what we're doing actually matters.
And that does, of course, bring out the haters, right?
Like I've got more haters now than ever.
And these trolls that endlessly all day long, like I like, I've said this before, I like the good trolls.
Like you're gonna meme me, do silly stuff.
There's a guy who keeps taking Peterson and me and like making it sound like we're saying things
that we're not, but doing it in like a funny way.
Of course I love that stuff.
You do cartoons about me that are silly and all that.
It's all good.
It's just these endless angry people that, and people, you know, people want to attack you
so that you'll respond to them so that they can get more views.
And that's often views or clicks.
And that's often what's happening with Jordan.
And to me, it's like just I don't want anything to do with you people.
I'm doing the best I can.
I'm open to engage in anyone that will engage honestly and just be a decent human being.
And I'm here for you.
And I'll continue that conversation.
So anyway, to your question, I don't know that I'm the ringleader of it, but I guess at some level.
But I love being part of it, and I think it's so cool what we're doing, and I think it's so cool that you guys are so ahead of the curve on it.
It's just awesome.
All right, let me jump over to Patreon!
Let's see.
You know what?
Between all these guys that I'm around now, Rogan and Sam and the rest that are all into MMA stuff, I should start doing something.
You know, because I've been on the road, I've actually been able to get to the gym a lot.
I think I'm at my lowest weight in probably like 20 years right now.
And I'm feeling pretty fit.
I'm eating right.
I'm still doing this basically paleo situation.
And it's not, you know, people say, well, it's on the road.
It's like tough to eat right and sleep right and all that.
I've actually found it to be the opposite, because when I'm here, it's like there is so much going on with the show and the company that we've built behind it and everything else.
Like there is not a second.
There is not a second.
And when I take a second, I'm losing something else.
Right.
But when I'm on the road, it's like, yeah, my phone's blowing up and I know there's always something to attend to or whatever.
But I have more time to actually get to the gym or find something to eat that's the right thing to eat instead of just scarfing something down for the wrong reason.
So I'd love to get on a jujitsu mat.
I did acupuncture last night for the first time in my life.
So I tweeted out something about acupuncture.
I thought, this is pretty calm, right?
Nobody's gonna get upset by this.
Then a zillion people, oh, it's fake science, blah, blah, blah.
I don't know, I went to acupuncture and I can tell you this, guy pins me, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
About a half hour I lay there and I was kind of tripping.
It felt like I was like low-grade tripping, like I had my eyes closed listening to some music and I was kind of seeing stars and flowers opening up and all kinds of weird things and like a sort of tunnel situation and I did feel great and I did it at about 6 o'clock, 6 p.m.
last night, came home, had a light dinner.
All right.
pretty early, maybe 11 o'clock or so, and I slept till 9am.
I haven't slept, I usually get up now at like 6.30 or something naturally. I slept till 9am. So I
don't know what the science behind all of it is, and I'd love to discuss that with somebody, but I
did kind of enjoy it. All right, let's see. Dennis Prager in a recent Ben Shapiro interview
said that belief in an afterlife is is what keeps him sane.
Do you think everyone pragmatically lives as if there were an afterlife, even if they say they may not actually believe in it?
Well, I definitely wouldn't say everyone.
I mean, there are absolutely people who say they don't believe in an afterlife who don't believe in an afterlife.
So I definitely wouldn't say everyone.
I think that the idea of an afterlife, that if you're good here, That somehow it's going to get you to some Shangri-La magical cloudy place after probably does keep people in check a little bit, right?
The idea that if God is watching you, that then because you might get somewhere after you go, that you might be on your best behavior.
I think some people believe in that.
I don't particularly believe in that.
You know, when I had John Kasich in here, the governor of Ohio who ran for president,
we talked just a bit about that at the beginning, where he, 'cause he was talking about how his faith,
and his faith is one of the things that keeps him on the path.
And he said something that I thought was interesting, 'cause he said that, you know,
that there's a humanist philosophy of it, that you can just kind of do it yourself.
And he said that wasn't enough for him.
I thought that was actually a pretty honest statement He wasn't saying, I don't think that those are good people who either don't believe in God or don't pray or don't go to church or whatever it is.
He was saying that for him personally, his faith, I assume he meant his faith in God or in Christ or whatever it is, that that gives him personally the strength to do what he sees as right.
Personally, I do the best I can to be the best person I can be.
I fail at it often, and I think you probably do too.
And whether you get the strength to do that because you believe there's an afterlife, or because you believe someone's watching you, or because it's within you, your constitution is strong enough to always do the right thing or whatever, I don't know that it matters that much.
It's one of the cool things, actually, right now.
I mean, these conversations that Jordan and Sam are having, where they're really, they're talking about the essence of truth and religion and God and free will and all of this.
It's interesting to me because I think there's a secondary conversation to happen.
And maybe after they've done a couple of these, they've done four of them now.
Maybe I can host a conversation where I think we get to the next step of this, which is, all right, I know both these guys.
I think they're both very good human beings.
I like them both a lot.
They have a very divergent view when it comes to these big existential questions.
On a micro level, I don't think it matters at all that one of them, that Jordan, say, is a believer or believes in the importance of the archetypes of religious stories and believes that they have some other meaning.
Some deep, profound truth comes out of those things, and Sam does not believe in that.
On a personal level, I don't think, and a micro level, I don't think it matters because we can all exist together and enjoy each other's company and collaborate on things and whatever.
The question, and Prager brought this up when I did the God and morality debate with him and Michael Shermer, on a macro level, Do you need some unifier, in his case he would argue being religion, or something from the Judeo-Christian tradition?
Do you need that to keep a society moving?
Do you need this belief in an unmoved mover sort of thing?
I don't know what the answer to that is.
Nobody really knows what the answer to that is.
But I think it's an interesting question.
And I think what's cool is the fact that so many people are showing up to talk about this.
So I think the secondary question of all of this is, does it matter?
Once we make the arguments that we make, and all of the people who are really thinking about this
stuff, and a lot of people don't have time to think about this stuff, a lot of people it's
not within their nature to think about this stuff, but all of the people who really care
about what truth is and why do you either need or not need the stories and the archetypes and
religion and all those things, once you get past that, does it matter if you can coexist
with the guy who lives next door who happens to be an atheist and you happen to be a
religious person?
I think that's an interesting place to start taking this next.
But you know, we're kind of that's what's cool about this.
The more conversations that we have, and the more open inquiry we allow, we allow for more room for a lot of other conversations.
So I think it's actually very cool.
Okay, here we go.
Hi Dave, I belong to a local Jordan Peterson meetup and we discuss thinkers like you in the Weinstein's Lab.
Do you have some good tips for quality conversations with the other side?
The quote other side is what you had there.
Look, the best you can do is welcome these people in.
Hear them out and then try.
They're going to be on the defensive, often because they're not armed with facts and they do feel very passionately about these things.
And the more that you give them facts, if it affects what they're feeling, they're going to keep backing up, keep backing up.
Just try to show people you're decent.
Try to show them that you're extending the olive branch, etc, etc.
You're reaching out to them, all of that.
If you try to do that, I think, Eventually we can get some of these people.
You know, this mob that we're always talking about, the mob eventually will come from them.
If you're one of the people in the mob right now and you're angry at me and you're probably writing mean things in the comment section, you right now, person, I'm talking to you, who hates me, who's watching.
I always love that there's so many people who hate me that spend their time watching this.
Like, if you're doing that, know that generally the people that I'm sort of around and the conversations I'm having, we don't hate you.
I don't hate you.
I think that we're discussing the ideas that I think are a good set of ideas to help society move forward.
I think there's great discussions about should there be less government or more government, the questions that I just talked about, about God and existence and truth.
We have to show these people, I think, that We're not the bad guys.
We're not the things that people are saying about us.
And that the reasons people are so angry often with us and why so many people seem to hate us and these articles come out is because they know there's an essence of truth.
There's a kernel of truth in what we're doing.
And they don't know how to deal with that.
So I suspect that's what you'd be dealing with a lot.
And I think if you keep welcoming people in and keep going, look around this room.
You think there's any racists here?
Look around this room.
You think there's any misogynists here, homophobes here?
It's like, come on, man.
There aren't.
So I know it ain't easy.
Got to see the show in Austin, and it was great.
Love what you're doing, Mr. Rubin, and I thank you.
Thank you, sir.
Hi, Dave.
What's been the most surprising thing you've learned while spending so much time with Peterson?
Love the show.
Well, I don't know that this is particularly surprising, but I can tell you this is absolutely true.
He is the same exact person when those cameras are off than when he is when the cameras are on.
So usually what goes on during the shows is, you know, we get to these towns.
I usually get there pretty early in the morning.
Sometimes we've traveled together, sometimes we haven't.
Check into my hotel, do my thing, kind of wander around a little bit, maybe hit the gym.
And then I usually get to the show about, to the theater about an hour before.
Jordan gets there about the same time.
We have two separate dressing rooms.
He gets the, you know, the stars dressing room.
I get the smaller one, but it's all good.
I usually go into his dressing room for a little bit.
We chat for about 20 minutes and it's like, we talk about the same stuff.
Like, it's not like we're suddenly talking about some other weird thing or behaving differently or anything.
It's like immediately it's like, and then, you know, we have to talk about cultural Marxism and his hands are moving every which way and the whole thing.
And it's like, It's real.
He's living it and it's real.
And I think you guys are living it, too.
And I really mean this, what I said before.
If you're watching these videos and you're part of this, know that you really are part of this.
And that's why I'm so excited about what the question was before.
People are having meetups.
You know, when we walk out of the shows, so usually what happens at the end of the show is if you pay a higher amount of money, Jordan does a meet and greet with people and he stays and takes pictures.
So I usually hang around for a little bit.
I'll go out into the lobby and people want to say hi and I take a lot of selfies and all that.
But sometimes when I walk out of the theater, sometimes I just walk out the back and just because, you know, it's been a long night and I've said my hellos and whatever, but every now and again I'll walk out the front and there literally will be hundreds of people outside just talking.
They're just talking to each other because they're looking around and going, Wow, this isn't a white supremacist rally.
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This isn't a, you know, incel hangout or whatever.
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And it's like, these are just good people who are here for ideas to talk about some stuff.
So that's why it's so cool, because this thing, it's spreading.
It's spreading in the right way, not because we tricked you or confused you or or tried to get something from you.
He doesn't sell anything.
We don't sell anything at these shows.
He doesn't even sell the books, I don't think.
I think maybe one show they sold some books.
They're not even selling books at the shows.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's good.
I'm telling you, it's good what's going on.
Okay, let's see.
You rock and it's time for the IDW to come up with solutions or proposals.
At least the brainpower that you gather is amazing.
I agree.
I think the next step of this is starting to move to some more solution stuff.
We can talk about this stuff.
We can identify problems.
We can complain about our side, we can talk about the messed up political system, all
of those things, but at some point you move into a position where you got to talk about
answers and solutions.
And I think we're shifting there.
There have been some discussions about this with the whole crew, and I think we will get
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Let's see.
This is my request to get Joe Rogan on your show.
I've seen you on his show and I love the back and forth.
Love your show from Andre in Aberdeen, Scotland.
Thank you, my friend.
We're working on getting Rogan.
It's just, he's told me he'll do it.
You know what I mean?
He did Shapiro's show before me, which is really fucked up.
But yes, he said he'll do it.
I put in a request.
I emailed him about September, I believe it's September 11th, to do my second show back.
Oh, and I want to talk about going off the grid, because I am going off the grid for August.
But I'll get back to that in a little bit.
Let's see.
Wow, you guys wrote a lot of long-winded stuff here.
here, let's see.
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Ah, this is interesting.
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Members of the IDW seem divided between having a spirit of optimism or pessimism regarding the future.
Since it may be tough to narrow it down to one, what are the three indicators that would help sway someone towards an optimistic outlook of the future of American politics and culture.
When IDW members say they are pessimistic about the future, what does that mean?
And what is the educated forecast about what lies in the future?
And any chance of you and Peterson doing some shows in Australia?
We've talked about that, so we are extending the tour.
The tour was originally supposed to be just two months, May and June, then they extended into July.
I'm doing about six shows with Jordan next week, all in Canada.
Then Jordan's continuing for a few dates in August.
I'm going off the grid in August, which as I said, I'll tell you a little bit more about momentarily.
But then we did extend it into September and October.
And don't worry, you're going to get shows from the Rubin Report the whole time.
Even sometimes I'm coming home and taping three shows and then leaving on a plane that night.
But we're going to keep pumping out content here and being as attentive to everything we're doing here as before.
I just think being part of something that is so Powerful and culturally important and relevant is something that I want to continue being part of.
So to your question about this divide between the optimists and the pessimists, so without naming names specifically, so I would say, and I've said this before, I would say I'm a world-weary optimist.
I'm an optimist in that I truly believe that most people are basically good.
I think you want to do good.
I think people want to be good to the people around them.
I think they want to be good in their community.
I think people want To take care of themselves and their property and not kill and murder and maim and steal and cheat.
Now, have we all done some of those things?
Do we all get off the path?
Do we all get confused and angry and act out in ways that are not good?
Yes, absolutely.
But I truly believe that the human spirit, whatever you want to call that, does want to be good.
I think you want to do something.
You, person watching this right now, you want to do something fulfilling in your life that you feel good about, that doesn't feel meaningless to you.
That you feel has some worth for you and hopefully your friends and your family and your boyfriend or girlfriend or whatever it is.
So to that end, I'm an optimist because I believe in that.
I believe that is within all of us, right?
Now, I would say the world weary part of that is because it gets kind of fucked up along the way, right?
There's a lot of bad actors out there.
You could have 80% good people, basically people trying to do good, but you've got 20% of loud, influential bad actors.
They can affect a lot of good people and confuse a lot of people.
And I think that that's what's partly happened here.
The media and this game of identity politics has tried to turn us against each other in the worst ways.
It really has.
I mean, think about it.
If you really wanted to dissect identity politics at the worst level, where some people should have something based on the color of their skin and get a job for this, if you say, OK, look, If you say someone based on the color of their skin should have more access to this education, or this job, or whatever it is, or their sexuality, or whatever their oppression might be, or perceived oppression, it's not, that all sounds good, right?
I want to help somebody who's been marginalized.
Okay, that sounds good on its head.
I want to help somebody else.
But what you're also saying is, I'm going to help this person.
That means you have to take something away from somebody else, who often doesn't deserve to have something taken away from.
I think this is why, for the last year or so, I've been saying the next move by the left was to come after the Asians.
Because Asians, by and large, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, whatever it is, have put an incredible focus on education and work and family.
And because of that, have moved up and up and up, And I think are pretty much at the highest echelon of socioeconomic status in all the ways that we judge it.
Now, what's going to happen, and we know this is happening, we know this is happening at Harvard and Google had this thing where they weren't going to hire male Asian engineers, is you're going to start punishing those people.
Most Asian people, their grandparents or whatever it was, came here with nothing, just like my great-grandparents came here with nothing.
Most likely, your great-grandparents or whatever it is, came here with nothing.
Should we now start punishing people who did the right thing along the way?
Of course not.
But now what do you do if there are some groups that have been harmed more than others by certain things?
Well, I would say maybe you can invest more in education, right?
Maybe we can look at what are we doing with With prison laws and things like that and prison reform.
But the idea, this identity politics, why it is so dangerous is that it will start pitting us against each other for all of the wrong reasons.
You can be against somebody because of their ideas and not, and you know, okay, so that person's pro-life, this person's pro-choice.
Well, as long as you're not killing each other, you can be against each other for ideas.
But if we keep If we start putting laws in place that are going to codify the dangers of identity politics, you're going to actually have Asian people angry at black people.
You're going to have white people angry at this person.
You're going to have this person angry at this person, not because of their ideas and their truth and who they are, but because of their immutable characteristics.
You will put prejudice into laws.
That's where this all heads.
So that's what we have to fight.
And I'm an optimist because of all the reasons that I've said for the last 45 minutes.
I think something cool is happening.
Oh, but I was going to say this earlier.
You know, when I've said we're winning, Jordan's brought up an interesting point at some of the shows, because I'll say to the crowd, you know, something like, I feel like we're winning.
It's so cool.
And everybody starts applauding and going crazy.
And they look around and they see other people.
And yeah, it's awesome.
But what Jordan's point has been is that it's not you.
It's not that you want to win.
Because if you win, that means the person who you're with is the loser.
And we don't want half the country to feel like losers, because they will get really angry and upset and everything else.
So what you want to do is you want to wake up as many people as possible to good ideas.
And I think that that's where the focus has to be.
As for those of those in the crew that maybe are pessimists, there's a lot of reasons to be pessimists.
And maybe that is just something fundamentally built in to who we are.
But for now, and you know, only 42, I still got a little optimism in me.
Okay, super chat.
I'm an atheist conservative and just you as a person make me feel super accepted.
Well, that's awesome.
That's great to hear.
Yes, there are atheist conservatives.
It's incredible.
There's all sorts of people out there, and it's not just what the media tells you.
Let's see.
I've been bugging Heather on Twitter to make Brett make more content.
They're both great, and their ideas always make me question mine.
They're both spectacular.
You have not seen my interview with Heather Eying, which we posted, I think, two weeks ago.
It's phenomenal.
What a tour de force of intellectual heft she is.
I just loved every moment of it.
We'll definitely do more with her.
I should tell you, by the way, that, you know, as these tours are going on, and Sam's doing the stuff with Peterson, and Peterson and I are continuing this thing, we are working on all sorts of things in the future that I can't quite get into now that will have a technological component that could have a touring component and all sorts of stuff.
So stay tuned.
I think there's so many cool things happening, and you guys are all part of it, my friends.
Okay, let's see.
I'll jump back into Patreon for a moment.
Dave, keep up the good work on the diet and exercise plan.
You look 10 years younger than you did six months ago.
You know, I feel like I look younger and I definitely feel better.
You know, I'll mention something that I mentioned on the Rogan Podcast.
So about three years ago, right, when the Rubin Report was first taking off.
So this is when we were on Aura TV.
This is the, I believe this started, It was around February or March of 2016, so we relaunched the show in September of 2015 at OraTV, Larry King's digital network, and that was my first real interview.
It was the first time I met Sam Harris and had him on.
I think that was September 9th, 2015.
Then the show really started blowing up.
I had Majid on, and I had Douglas Murray, and I had Hirsi Ali, and a whole bunch of people.
I started really talking about what I thought was wrong with the left.
I started really focusing on free speech.
The show was growing and growing and growing and growing.
I started getting a lot of hate at the same time, and I had never really gotten hate before.
And I guess I was more stressed than I thought I was, because around February or March, I started losing just chunks and chunks of hair, mostly from the back of my head, but I lost a lot up here.
I mean, I'm talking like, I would take a shower and just like, It was awful, like handfuls of hair falling out.
I went to a dermatologist, I went to a specialist.
Turns out I developed something called alopecia areata, which is an autoimmune disease.
They don't know exactly what causes it.
I didn't have any blood problems or anything like that.
But basically your white blood cells start attacking your hair follicles and they don't know why.
So I ended up going on this, I told this story to Rogan a couple of weeks ago, I ended up going on a pretty experimental drug which I can't even remember what it's called right now.
It's got a crazy long name that basically was like putting like this cream that was like, it was like putting poison ivy on my head and I had to put it on at night.
David would put it on my head.
And in effect, what that would do is it would cause an allergic reaction so that the white blood cells would attack the reaction instead of the hair follicles.
Well, anyway, this is a pretty experimental thing, and as I did it, and I had to do it for a couple months, I was breaking out like you wouldn't believe.
Like, my entire body was itchy.
Like, almost everything except my face, which was a freaking miracle, was itchy and red and kind of flaky.
I couldn't really be out in the sun.
I'm talking about for almost a year.
And it was, it was miserable.
I mean, my, my head, like I was having, imagine putting, imagine rubbing poison ivy on your head, like itching and oozing.
I mean, it's really gross to even talk about.
It was, it was pretty miserable.
And, and I didn't tell anybody about it.
I mean, David knew and my, my mom or my folks knew, maybe my brother and sister, like a couple of people, but I didn't, I didn't want you guys to know.
But anyway, this, this medication, it also caused, I was kind of like inflamed a little bit and I definitely was like a little more bloated.
And I definitely, I did not look great.
I wasn't sleeping that well.
And if anything, it added more.
If I was trying to get rid of stress, it added more stress.
And it really sucked because it was happening at the same exact point as I was becoming really successful, which is some sort of an interesting thing that life deals you with things.
And it's interesting because I've talked about this privately with Jordan, and I hope he doesn't mind me if I quickly mention this here.
But you know, in the last two years, as Jordan has succeeded, he started having some some real digestive issues.
You know, he's doing he's doing a very strict carnivore diet right now, which, you know, he doesn't really like talking about because he's not a dietician.
He's not telling anyone to do what he's doing.
But we both dealt with sort of health issues as we were succeeding, which is a really weird thing, like as all the things that you care about that are good are working, that you suddenly have something that's completely out of your control happening to you.
So anyway, it really, really sucked.
And yeah, I definitely did not look great.
And it's not fun having like a thing that you don't want to talk about with people and all that stuff.
It's mostly gone, but actually today I just went to the dermatologist.
I still do.
This is all my hair.
It's all my hair right here.
But I still do have a couple spots in the back, which is why my hair is a little bit longer in the back.
And once a month I get cortisone shots, which I think we're going to actually stop doing.
I discussed with my dermatologist today because it's hard to tell if it's actually working.
But some are growing back and sometimes randomly there'll be like a little spot that just appears.
They describe it as like an ember in a fire, just magically appears.
But anyway, it's just one of those things and you never know what somebody's actually dealing with.
And I guess just try to be decent to people.
I have VIP tickets for a show in Cincinnati.
How can I interact with you and JP without making a fool of myself?
I'd have to know more about you specifically to know, but Cincinnati, I'll make sure that I come out in the audience for a little bit and then try to grab me and say hi.
I'd love to say hi.
Let's see.
When the right is the only side that is tolerant for differing opinions, lifestyles, and perspectives, how do I avoid embracing them not out of alignment with all of their principles, but out of disgust and rejection from the new extreme left?
I love this question!
I'm a classical liberal, but it's hard when I feel like I'm so alone in the mainstream narrative when talking to people who don't follow things like the IDW or Peterson or who are so brainwashed by progressivism.
I know a lot about this because I'm kind of in the boat with you, right?
Like, the people that five years ago I thought were the bad guys, the evil conservatives and Shapiro and Prager and Biden, these scary people.
Once you get to know them, you realize they're not that bad.
And just because somebody believes in limited government and low taxes doesn't mean they hate poor people.
And just because somebody is pro-life, which I am not, doesn't mean that they hate women or all of the memes that unfortunately the left has put out there to make it seem like anyone who doesn't believe in their orthodoxy is an evil person or a Nazi or a white supremacist or anything.
And I know that literally millions of you are waking up to this.
I have absolutely no doubt about it.
So how do you deal with it?
Well, look, I can tell you this.
I now am friends with all sorts of conservatives and people on the right, and I go to these Turning Point USA things.
I'll be in DC next week.
I'm doing the Turning Point USA High School Summit.
It's the largest gathering of high school conservatives, I think.
In the country.
I'll be speaking, I think Trump Jr.
is going to be there, and Seb Gorka is going to be there, and Candace Owens will be there, and blah, blah, blah.
I have big political differences with these people, and I go to these Turning Point things, and Charlie Kirk said to me, I said it to him when he sat in this thing right here, he said to me privately, the first day I met him, within two minutes, he said, Dave, I have a lot of big disagreements with you, but I'd love for you to start coming to some Turning Point events.
And I can tell you this, I go to these events, I talk about being gay married and pro-choice, So, yes, are there some things that I don't like about them?
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Sure.
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Are they a little too conservative for my style?
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Yes.
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But is there room to build some alliances over there?
other things that these guys aren't really for.
And I find them to be incredibly engaging and open and nice and decent and fun.
So yes, are there some things that I don't like about them?
Sure.
Are they a little too conservative for my style?
Yes.
But is there room to build some alliances over there?
There damn well is, and I'm gonna keep doing it.
And it sounds like you're gonna keep doing it too.
And I think the more that you do that, and the more that we show people that we can be friends
with people we disagree with, and we can show people that we don't have to be
endlessly hysterical or outraged or angry, they're gonna run out of steam.
And I think we're starting to see some of that right now.
They really are going to run out of steam.
And let's just build a home where enough people can come into to find some answers.
Superchat, do you get concerned about overexposure with folks like you, Shapiro, Peterson, and others all over YouTube and clickbait videos out there causing discord?
Are you concerned?
And if yes, do you have any strategies for addressing it?
So I think there is some element of that, right?
Like a lot of us are out there doing a lot of different things.
We're doing each other's shows, we're doing many other people's shows, we're doing live events, we're doing podcasts, all that.
I'm somewhat aware of it, and I've actually, in the last two months or so, and it partly is because of the tour and I'm just out of time, I've turned down a lot of media requests.
I will be on Tucker Carlson tomorrow night, actually.
People always say, why do you only go on Tucker and Gutfeld?
You only go on Fox News!
CNN and MSNBC have never invited me.
I can't just stand out there and go, guys, would you let me in?
So I'll go where I can go and be on live and unedited.
Greg's show is live to tape, so they air it the next day, but I know Greg well, and he's a friend, and they've never edited a word, and he's promised me that they never would.
And Tucker is aired live, so I have no problem doing that.
I much prefer to do it in studio when I'm in D.C.
than doing the camera thing, because it's a little weird.
You sit in a little room, and you stare at a little box, and that's it.
You can't see him.
You're just looking at that thing and talking to that, so it's a little weird.
But that's what I'll be doing tomorrow, because I'm here in L.A., and he's in D.C.
Um, but as far as overexposure, I would say we all have to be somewhat aware of it.
But you know, it's a little bit, you know, it's kind of like, like, I don't say the term regressive left anymore.
Like, really?
When's the last time you heard me say it?
I very, very rarely say it.
And if I do, I usually say it in a joking manner.
For all that year that I had to say it all the time, it was because we were trying to identify a problem.
And sometimes you need a word to identify it.
And the idea that they were not progressive for real progress, which would be for equality, but they were regressive.
They wanted us to look backwards.
They wanted us to not do the things that Martin Luther King Jr.
wanted us to do.
It was a word that really stuck, which by the way, just for the record, one more time, Majid Nawaz came up with the word.
I just was one of the people that helped amplify it.
Okay.
Now, I don't use it anymore because I think sometimes once you've identified something enough, you don't have to keep going back to it.
Other people can use it, whatever, you can figure out other ways to talk about things.
I think there is some risk of, because there's a bunch of us now and we're all kind of picking up steam in different ways, there's some risk of some level of overexposure.
I don't think we've hit it yet.
What I would say is if you're asking me this question, and I guess for those of you that are watching this right now, most of you, obviously new people are coming on board all the time, but a lot of you, the core group, of you that watch all of these videos and that care about
this stuff and that come up to us on the streets and all that, you've been around for a while.
So some of this may seem occasionally repetitive to you or, "Oh, I've heard that before,"
whatever. But really what you have to think about, and I'm keenly aware of this because sometimes I will have
to repeat myself when I say something, or if I give a speech, I usually try to have no notes in
front of me. But every now and again, there's a couple of lines that I know I've said before that
I really want to hit home.
You got to remember that there's so many new people coming to these ideas, and these ideas
still are ignored by mainstream. And the more they ignore them, the more people tune them out,
and they tune us in. So...
So because of the amount of new people that are coming in, we do have to be somewhat I think we all have to be aware of it.
And you guys, those of you that are good, decent people, I mean, if you see it, if it seems like we're just, oh, that he's going to his old hits instead of thinking of new stuff.
And figuring out what's next.
Please call us out.
And by the way, that's why the question earlier was so good about well, all right, well, how do we start talking about solutions?
Because I don't always want to just talk about the ideas.
I also want to figure out what's next, which also is why when I had Ben And Jordan and Eric in here, two or three weeks ago, I said, do you guys think this is the beginnings of a political movement?
And they all had sort of different answers on that.
But look, if it starts becoming a political movement, are some of us suddenly political consultants or political candidates or spokespeople?
Who the hell knows?
But let's keep going.
Let's keep going and see what happens.
All right.
Man, there's a lot of good stuff here.
So a couple of you have asked me about, can you look into Comicsgate and interview Ethan Van Scriver?
What's going on in the comic book community is crazy.
So I've gotten a couple emails about this.
I've heard about this a little bit.
Let me do a little bit more research.
I'll see what I can do.
I see there's a bunch of super chat questions about that.
Oh, and he's the illustrator from 12 Rules for Life.
Right, right, right.
Okay.
Give me a little time on this one to pull this one all together.
Okay.
Let me jump back into Patreon.
A couple people asking about Obama and the comments.
I addressed that earlier.
Yes, I do think it could possibly bring some sanity to the left, but I don't know.
Hey, Dave, personal question.
Are you a novel reader?
And if so, what are some of your favorite novels?
So I haven't really been reading novels lately because I've been reading more books of the people that come in here.
I am reading a C.S.
Eliot short story right now, or it's not a short story, but it's a thin book.
Oh, man, I can't remember what it's called.
I've read about half of it already.
It's in my travel bag if someone wants to see if they can find it.
But I'm really enjoying that.
It's about these two guys that basically kidnap another guy and bring him to another planet.
Oh, somebody help me with this.
What the hell is it called?
unidentified
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Dave, you need to get Joel Kotkin on the show.
I've seen a couple about him.
I think his criticism about tech's embrace of progressive causes are right in line with the intellectual dark web.
I'll look into that.
I'll look into that.
But look, even the tech companies are starting to get it.
Again, I can't tell you every conversation I have, but I'm hearing from big tech CEOs these days.
Not everyone is a progressive and a lot of them feel hostages at their own companies because of the way this craziness has spread.
And I think they are starting to wake up.
I don't think it's a coincidence.
In fact, I know it's not a coincidence that Peter Thiel is moving down to L.A.
and getting out of Silicon Valley.
What progressivism does in its current incarnation is it stifles thought.
It stifles thought and it demands obedience.
And I know If you're like me, you don't want to bow.
And you certainly don't want to bow forever.
And that's what they demand out of you.
And it's sucky, and it's shitty, and don't do it.
Okay.
Let's see.
I heard you on Joe Rogan talking about next gen after millennials.
He said that the next generation will be different because of the shit they see now.
Do you agree?
So there's a couple interesting things happening here, right?
So I'm generation X, right?
So I'm after the baby boomers.
Then there was Generation X, then there's Generation Y, so I'm 42.
Generation Y is people, I think, that are basically sort of in their late 20s to mid-30s.
I think 35 is the cutoff to Generation X. But, you know, these things are a little amorphous.
And then there was the Millennial Generation, and the Millennial Generation is sort of the generation that ushered in the outrage and, you know, this obsession with technology and all this stuff.
I don't blame them for any of it because they were brought up on all of this stuff.
And, you know, feelings over facts and the rest of it.
Then there's been a bunch of studies that the generation beneath them, the generation that's like in junior high, and I think probably into high school now, that they're actually growing up much more conservative, that they realize that this endless screaming and hating each other and identity politics, that they're against all of these things.
And there's been a comeback to some sort of Conservative values, however you want to define that.
I think that's really interesting.
And I think we're going to keep seeing the fruits of that.
But more than anything else, I mean, I think a through line of this conversation that we're having today is that let's give people a better option for the future.
Like even right now, let's say you're a huge MAGA person, you're a huge Trump person right now.
Well, I think everyone realizes, whatever side you're on right now, I think everyone realizes this level of tension And us against them, whatever side you're on, it can't last forever.
What could happen is it could snap and something really awful could happen, right?
But I think what actually could happen is, out of the chaos that seemingly is happening now, is that eventually the chaos won't be needed anymore.
The disruption that Trump was to the system eventually won't be needed.
And then perhaps some principled conservatives, some principled libertarians, some principled liberals, and perhaps even I'll put it out there.
Some principled progressives, who I may disagree with but are principled, can actually start coming out of the woodwork.
Again, I've talked about it several times here.
I think it's starting to happen.
I think there's some science of it.
It's pretty cool.
All right, here's what we're going to do.
We're going to go for about 10 more minutes, so if you've got any other superchats or questions on Patreon, let me know.
What else did I want to just tell you real quick?
Let's see.
So one other thing that I wanted to hit on before I wrap up, and then I'll hit a couple other questions, is so I am going off the grid in August.
So I did this last year.
I literally locked my phone in a safe from August 1st till the last day of August.
And then my first show back last year, which was with Phil DeFranco.
My intention, actually, for my first show back in September right after Labor Day, was
to not know anything.
I was just going to come back, sit with Phil, and Phil obviously talks about the news often,
and I think he's a great guy, and I think he's doing great stuff.
My intention was to not know anything.
The night before I came back at the last minute, I was invited to a pretty power player dinner
where all sorts of current events I knew were going to be discussed.
So I met Eric Weinstein first for a glass of wine, and he just unloaded on me on what had happened over the course of the month.
And there was all this North Korea stuff, and the Charlottesville thing, and a zillion other things that I had no idea about.
He just downloaded them all into my brain, and then we go off to this big influential dinner.
It was pretty nutty.
This year, I am going to go off the entire time.
At the end of July, these last couple days, we're taping a ton of stuff, so you will have shows every week.
We are not taking a week off.
By the way, we have Josephine Mathias on tomorrow, who many of you guys know from YouTube.
My name is Josephine.
She's just absolutely wonderful, and I've got to know her in person a little bit.
Saw her in Toronto, and she's just lovely and a really smart, cool, fun thinker.
But anyway, we'll put up shows in August.
I'm going to challenge some of you.
I don't know exactly how we're going to do this.
So when I do the off-the-grid thing, I literally phone in a safe.
I'm not going to watch TV.
I'm not going to do anything electronic.
I'm going to work on my book again.
We're going away for a little bit.
I'm going to escape and try to relax and just enjoy myself and whatever else and see some family and friends.
I know that a lot of people can't I can't do that, like that level of off-the-gridness or disappear.
But I am going to figure out a way, and maybe we'll do a video about it the day before I go, to challenge some of you guys.
You know, I've been trying to do it on the weekends.
I really, really try not to look at my phone or at least use social media on the weekends.
I think people do need an escape.
I think if there's ever a month to do it, I think August is the month to do it.
I would love to challenge some of you to really do it with me.
What if you really didn't?
Even just social media.
I know it would be hard for some of you that because of work, you wouldn't not be able to email, let's say.
But even if you just got off social media for a month, like what would it be like?
And I can tell you that there's a level of withdrawal.
Like the first couple days, my hand kept going into my pocket.
Where's my phone?
And then by day four or five, it starts kind of feeling good.
And then by day eight, it's kind of empowering.
You're like, holy cow, I don't need any of that.
Your attention span returns and you start interacting with strangers more.
One of the things I noticed, I know this sounds like such a little nonsensical thing, but I really noticed this.
I was at the supermarket after about 20 days of being off the grid and I remember You know, I'm putting my stuff on the belt, and the girl, the cashier, is there.
And I just started being friendlier.
How you doing?
What's going on?
Oh, I saw you here last week.
Oh, this thing that I bought, like, this was pretty good, so I bought it again.
Whatever.
And it was like, you can make room in your brain again to be the way we were 20 years ago.
Like, of course technology's great.
You're watching this on YouTube right now.
We can connect in all these different ways, right?
I meet some of you guys in real life because of this.
But just remember, 20 years ago, we had none of this stuff.
And we had none of this stuff for the thousands of years of humanity before that.
So I'm looking forward to The Escape.
I will challenge some of you to join me for the month and just see what happens.
But even if you can only get off, get off, so to speak, for the weekend or whatever it is, I think it would be pretty cool.
So hopefully some of you guys will join me for that.
Oh, and then I will tell you this.
Our first show back is on September 4th.
It's the day after Labor Day.
I am not gonna know anything.
And I will be a guest on the Rubin Report.
We have a guest host on the Rubin Report who is going to give, he's going to interview, I just said it's a he.
Okay, it's a he.
He's going to interview me and fill me in on all the things that I missed.
And you guys will watch that live as I get the full download live.
We're going to do that on September 4th, but I'm not saying who it is.
You know what?
I think maybe a moment ago that I said that Josephine is a conservative.
I don't know that actually she's, I don't think she fully, I think she's a classical liberal.
I think she's got some conservative views.
And the reason I said that was because she did a video that I think was titled, Black People Can Be Conservative.
I don't think she herself identifies as a conservative.
So Josephine, if you're watching, I apologize for mislabeling you.
There's nothing worse.
Oh, the book that I love, Silent Planet, C.S.
Lewis.
So it's a trilogy.
I'm still on the first one, but I'm going to knock it out, hopefully, on my next travel.
And all right, let's see.
Superchat, the interesting thing about watching so many of you for so long is that it helps cement the ideas, but we also get to see the evolution of the ideas and arguments.
Love your work, especially with Jordan.
Thank you very much.
There's a bunch of you that wrote a lot of nice things about me.
Thank you.
Love what you do, man.
Took me from ignoring all the noise to finding some hope for honest discussion and important conversations.
Thank you.
IDW idea.
Have theme-specific shows.
For example, having Brett and Dawkins on would be great to have multiple perspectives from specialists.
Yeah, so we're thinking about all of this stuff, and I think partly Once we figure out how we can tour more, you know, it's not easy to put these things together and manage.
We got people that live in all sorts of parts of the country.
And, you know, Douglas Murray, for example, and Majid both live in the UK.
So we're figuring it all out.
We got a lot of cool stuff planned.
I'm super psyched about everything that's going on.
Oh, and by the way, the show is expanding.
We are building out our team just yesterday, actually.
We hired a new team member who I will introduce to you at some point along the road.
But yeah, you guys that support us, whether it's on Patreon or PayPal or SuperChat, you're helping us build out this thing, and I hope you're proud of it, and I hope you're excited, and as excited at least.
As I am.
All right, so I think we're going to wrap this thing for now.
I just wanted to catch up on a whole bunch of stuff for you.
I think we'll probably do a live stream if possible on July 31st so that it can be my official goodbye and my official challenge for you guys to join me off the grid if you can.
And then, as I said, we got new content coming out all of August.
We got some really cool stuff planned for September.
There was a huge guest that I thought we were going to have in May.
That it got delayed a little bit.
I think that's happening in September.
And just keep fighting the fight, guys.
Just keep fighting.
Keep giving people a chance to...
To learn with you, to not judge them as quickly as they would judge you.
And let's see what we can keep building here, because it's happening.
It's happening whether we like it or not.
I happen to like it, but it's happening whether we like it or not.
So thank you guys.
Oh, and by the way, if you want to get your classical liberal t-shirt, I believe the link is right down below.
You can go to rubinreport.com slash store.
There's some other Rubin Report stuff on there and all that good stuff.
All right.
I am going to dinner.
Thanks, guys.
See ya.
Oh, and we'll get the freaking TriCaster working next time so you don't have to stare at me looking at my computer.
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