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Contributor for Canada's National Post known here on the YouTube as My Name is Josephine. | ||
Josephine Mathias, welcome to The Rubin Report. | ||
Thank you for having me. | ||
I'm so excited to be here. | ||
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So your real name is Josephine MyNameIsJosephine. | |
Yes, it is. | ||
I know why a lot of people don't believe that. | ||
They think it's like an alias. | ||
Is it really not that believable? | ||
You say, my name is Josephine. | ||
People are always getting punked online. | ||
So, they were curious. | ||
Sorry, I was going to say, I think they assume it's like Bonquisha or something. | ||
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They're like, Josephine's a really weird kid. | |
All right. | ||
Well, I'm really super psyched that you're here. | ||
We met about a month and a half ago in Toronto after a Jordan Peterson thing. | ||
We got to chat a little bit. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And I've been a fan of what you're doing for a while. | ||
And I think you're actually one of the few people on the YouTube making some sense. | ||
Whoa, I feel special. | ||
Thank you so much. | ||
So, let's just do a little bit about your history first, and then we're going to play a clip from one of your videos, in case people haven't seen some of your stuff, and then we're going to talk about all sorts of political stuff, because you are a true political beast. | ||
So, you're originally from Nigeria, lived there for what, eight or nine years? | ||
Nine years. | ||
So, tell me about growing up in Nigeria. | ||
Yeah, I actually don't remember much about growing up in Nigeria and my parents kind of closed me off to what was really going on. | ||
I lived in the gated community and yeah, I immigrated here when I was nine years old. | ||
My dad actually first went to Canada when I was two. | ||
He got here on a work visa, worked his ass off for years, for about seven years actually. | ||
I didn't even know who my dad was for seven years and then when he, you know, got his visa and everything he brought my family over and yeah, now I'm in Canada. | ||
A great country. | ||
Yeah, so what did your dad do that he was able to get a visa to go into Canada? | ||
Yeah, my dad was an accountant, and then when he got to Canada, he went back to school and decided to do nursing instead. | ||
And my mom's a teacher, so that's what they do. | ||
What does your mom teach? | ||
She teaches, she taught English in Nigeria, and now she kind of teaches special ed kids and stuff like that. | ||
So she still loves teaching. | ||
She obviously can't teach, a Nigerian person can't teach English in Canada. | ||
Do your parents tell you anything about the political situation or anything at the time when you were growing up, even if you don't have great memories of it? | ||
Not necessarily. | ||
My parents were not really that political. | ||
I think we became more political when we came to Canada. | ||
I mean, politics in Nigeria is just—it's completely corrupt. | ||
There's no such thing as politics. | ||
It's all just money. | ||
And it was when I came to Canada is when they started to get a little bit more political. | ||
And, I don't know, I think religion and strict parents kind of create conservatism in a way, so they're very, very conservative. | ||
So I grew up around that. | ||
But they didn't really name it as conservatism. | ||
It was just strict and religious and had all these rules that basically apply to conservatism in a way. | ||
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Yeah. | |
Yeah, so then you get to Canada, you're not even 10 years old. | ||
What was that like to be in a new country? | ||
Oh, it was so weird. | ||
I mean, I got here, I think it was 16 degrees outside, and I was freezing. | ||
So why is it so cold? | ||
And there's people wearing t-shirts, I did not understand. | ||
I remember like driving from the airport, I think it was Piercing Airport, and we all stopped. | ||
I was like, why are we stopping? | ||
And they're like, oh, it's a red light. | ||
I'm like, what does that mean? | ||
Don't you just go and everyone just figure it out? | ||
My dad's like, there's order here. | ||
I was like, oh, oh, okay. | ||
And snow, snow was the best one. | ||
I think I spent like half an hour just like touching it and like, what is this? | ||
And my elementary school teachers or middle school teachers had to tell me to get back inside, I'll freeze. | ||
But yeah, it was really, it was surreal. | ||
It was a culture shock. | ||
So it was mostly a weather related, weather and order. | ||
Weather and order, exactly. | ||
It's basically weather and order. | ||
Yeah. | ||
So when you say you grew up in like a, in a religious atmosphere, what, what was that like? | ||
My parents were just super religious, and they hoped I'd be also as religious as them. | ||
Unfortunately, I'm not, but I think that kind of comes with age and also living in, I don't know, a different country. | ||
In Nigeria, it's easier. | ||
The majority of people are religious. | ||
But yeah, they are still very, very religious. | ||
Is he Catholic? | ||
What religion? | ||
Protestant. | ||
So now you're in Canada, you're a kid, you're making a good life for yourself. | ||
When did you get interested in politics? | ||
I got interested in politics while I'm taking political science and studying political science in school right now. | ||
I was also president of the debate club. | ||
I was just interested in discourse and discussing things. | ||
I was interested in people's ideas and different ideas. | ||
reasoning the reason for things. | ||
But I also think my political views were really shaped by me immigrating to Canada and we lived in the inner cities. | ||
I'm not sure if you've ever heard of Jane and Finch by any chance? | ||
No, I don't think so. | ||
It's kind of like a South Side of Chicago light. | ||
It's obviously not as bad. | ||
But it's an inner city, majority black, poor neighborhoods. | ||
I lived there for most of my Canadian life, actually, and then from there I moved to a more higher-income neighbourhood and having to experience that. | ||
So it was really cool kind of seeing the culture there and then get another culture shock and move somewhere else. | ||
So it's like I've experienced Nigeria and the inner-city in Canada and then a much more well-off neighbourhood. | ||
Which would you say is the best out of those three? | ||
Nigeria. | ||
The Wallop neighborhood. | ||
But yeah, living in like the inner cities really, it shaped my views because now when I look back, I was like, oh, that makes sense. | ||
You are a product of your environment. | ||
And a lot of people that, you know, I think about two, three of my friends made it out of there. | ||
The majority of them are, you know, pregnant. | ||
They're single parents now. | ||
They're in the system and it's unfortunate and weird to see that happen. | ||
And my parents being extremely strict and they gave me a curfew at like 5 p.m. | ||
every day. | ||
I wasn't allowed to, you know... | ||
Have boyfriends, which I guess I was young. | ||
I probably shouldn't have. | ||
But they were really, really strict and I hated them at that time. | ||
I didn't understand why they didn't want me to go out and play with people. | ||
And now I get it because I would have ended up like a lot of the people that are still there right now. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And then, yeah, moving to like the much better neighborhood, I realized that, wow, there is a difference. | ||
There is a cultural difference, I guess. | ||
So, when I've watched a ton of your videos, I've thought, all right, I sense that she basically is a liberal, my kind of liberal, but I think you have probably some conservative leanings, perhaps, or at least have an understanding, I think that's what you're laying out here, you have an understanding of that line of thinking. | ||
You consider yourself a classical liberal? | ||
I don't want to push you, but I'd like to hear you say it, but what do you actually consider your views to be? | ||
Okay, I know everyone says they don't like putting labels, but I absolutely hate labels because I have some conservative ideas, I have some liberal ideas, I have some classical liberal ideas, I have some progressive ideas, socialist ideas, all of them! | ||
But I guess I just see, look at things from issue to issue, but I am, you know, primarily liberal, but I'm fiscally conservative, so that's kind of where I lean, I guess. | ||
Yeah, so the root, I think, of your ideas is sort of individualism. | ||
Yeah, for sure, yeah. | ||
You want to throw to a clip? | ||
Yes, let's do it. | ||
All right, let's get people to know you in your natural environment. | ||
West has also been tweeting about the lack of freedom of thought in America. | ||
And the backlash about whether Blacks can be allowed to be Republicans sure is helping prove his point. | ||
But Black Americans, contrary to popular belief, can hold widely diverse and opposing opinions on political issues. | ||
Maybe Kanye is a Republican. | ||
I mean, he's never referred to himself as such, of course, but he said something about Trump that wasn't severely negative, so he's suddenly the Black Paul Ryan. | ||
But even if he is, so what? | ||
In fact, a 2012 study by Vincent Hutchins and Hakeem Jefferson using data from the American National Election Studies found that 45% of black Americans identify as conservatives. | ||
Despite this, however, the Democratic Party typically receives 85-95% of the black American vote. | ||
The tendency of Black Americans to vote Democrat allows the Dems to believe that they have a strong hold on the Black American vote. | ||
In fact, back in 2016, when Kanye West announced he would run for president in 2020, the Democratic Party's official Twitter account immediately assumed he meant he'd be running for them, responding, If only the Dems had run Kanye in 2016. | ||
Better candidate than she who shall not be named, to be honest. | ||
All right, so I picked that one because I think it's just a great example of what you do. | ||
There's information and facts, and it's kind of light, too, and fun, and all that good stuff. | ||
Now, first off, though, as a black Canadian talking about black Americans, that's kind of racist, wouldn't you say? | ||
Yeah, I think I've gotten a lot of comments of people saying like, you don't understand what it's like to be black in America. | ||
And it's like, oh my gosh, stop. | ||
I can have the same discussions about race relations in America. | ||
It's just a little scaled down in the Canadian context. | ||
And I think a lot of Canadians try to project, I guess, American issues on Canadians as well. | ||
So, but yeah, no, I do get that criticism, which is annoying. | ||
We should all be allowed to talk about whatever we want. | ||
Yeah, you are black in America right now. | ||
Yes, I am. | ||
I know, it's awful. | ||
I mean, I've been gunned down like ten times. | ||
People are yelling the N-word at me. | ||
I mean, I just, I feel so unsafe. | ||
Yeah, well that's why we create a safe space for you right here. | ||
Yes, thank you. | ||
Thank you for that. | ||
That video though, because the numbers that you laid out there are actually kind of incredible. | ||
And it's something that we obviously have been talking about lately, related to Kanye and Candace and the rest of it. | ||
But 45% of black Americans consider themselves conservative, yet at 85 to 95% are voting Democrat. | ||
That is a massive disconnect. | ||
So what do you make of that? | ||
Yeah, I think it's just—there's an idea that the Democratic Party is the best one for black Americans. | ||
It's the one that's going to help black Americans. | ||
And although they are conservative, you know, in the true sense of the word, they aren't necessarily Republican. | ||
They don't believe in the Republican Party. | ||
But it is very interesting. | ||
I mean, no one group or identity votes the same way as black Americans do. | ||
So there is some kind of, I guess, story that's being told to them that this is the way to do it, this is the way to go. | ||
And I don't think, you know, the Republican Party, per se, is the way to go, and I don't think the Democratic Party. | ||
Both parties are just garbage at this point. | ||
But yeah, I think it's a little odd that the majority, 95%, vote one single way, but yet they're still conservative in a sense. | ||
But yeah, I just think it's a leftover idea. | ||
They just need to kind of start to re-figure things out. | ||
But first, we probably have to start with changing up the government and changing up the party systems and try to find who to vote for instead of just picking Democrat or Republican. | ||
Yeah, do you think this was more of a good sell job by the Democrats or a bad sell job by the Republicans? | ||
Because when you look at all the cities, especially, where it's the worst for black people, they're always Democrat-run cities for decade after decade after decade, yet black people, still in extremely high numbers, keep voting Democrats. | ||
So that's obviously a great sell job, right? | ||
Somebody's doing some serious PR work over there. | ||
Yeah, definitely. | ||
And I think it's also the Republicans as well, and I think The Democrats make it feel like the Republicans are against the Black Americans, and the Republicans make it feel like, you know, the Black Americans are against the Republicans. | ||
Like, it's just—I think both sides are not necessarily trying to help. | ||
They're just trying to pander to their own side. | ||
But it is interesting that you've been voting Democrat for so long and things are not getting better. | ||
It's like, oh, maybe I should start voting a different way, or maybe I should start criticizing the Democratic Party. | ||
I think that's actually the biggest thing, is it's not— It's not picking a side, it's criticizing what they're doing wrong. | ||
It's criticizing, you know, this didn't work, let's try something else. | ||
Instead of just saying, we need Democrat, that's it, this is what's gonna happen. | ||
But it's clearly not working. | ||
Let's try to figure out, you know, what policy changes we need, instead of trying to pick, like, you know, Democrat or Republican. | ||
Sorry, I keep saying that, Democrat or Republican. | ||
No, I'm with you, I'm with you. | ||
So I know you're not a huge proponent of the sort of Candace Kanye train in general, but the fact that that conversation is happening now, the fact that you made that video, You view that all as positive, right? | ||
Oh yeah, no, for sure. | ||
I think Kanye really allowed a lot of people to think for a second and try to investigate some more information, try to figure out why they hold certain ideas. | ||
I think that was the biggest thing. | ||
And it was really exciting to scroll through Facebook and see people that are not normally engaging in politics. | ||
Now, actually, that might be scary because it's like the majority of people are I don't know what they're doing, but yeah, I'd rather have them involved in some way. | ||
Exactly, I'd rather have them involved. | ||
And the thing is, I think, as much as I, you know, dislike Candace's politics, I do think that it opened a lot of people's minds in the sense that it allowed them to investigate more. | ||
And that's the most important thing, because if you're just stuck in the echo chamber, Kanye broke that. | ||
A lot of people, all they see is, you know, Beyonce and Chrissy Teigen and all these celebrities are all just talking about the far left, you know, super I hate saying social justice warrior, but super social justice warrior talking points. | ||
So Kanye broke that and showed them the other side. | ||
Unfortunately, I think, you know, because Candice is kind of harsh and, you know, I think it's harder for people to connect with her that are already so down the drain of the far left. | ||
And unfortunately, we might have to cuddle them. | ||
Come on, come to the other side, it's okay, let me explain things to ya! | ||
So do you view that as just like a personality trait? | ||
Because that's what's interesting to me, like, people used to say to me all the time, well, you know, when you have Milo on, like, Milo's creating chaos, and out of chaos, my feeling was if I brought Milo on, that out of the chaos that he creates, that some people would hear some good ideas in a more calm, relaxed way, and then they'd join me on the adventure that I'm on, and I think there's proof in that pudding. | ||
I think you're kind of a little bit more like me where I think you see a little bit of the chaos that Candace is creating and you want people to understand the ideas behind them. | ||
Yeah that's that's the thing is that you know when Candace says one thing like stop the victim mentality for example I think black Americans that are stuck in like the far-left echo chamber just sees it as like a Excuse me? | ||
Like, what are you trying to say? | ||
Blah, blah, blah. | ||
So it's like, they need—either she explains it further, which obviously she doesn't have to do. | ||
I mean, she can do whatever she wants. | ||
But I think she needs to break it down a little more, because saying, get off the plantation, the victimhood, it's harder for people that all they've ever heard is white privilege, white people suck, blah, blah, blah. | ||
It's harder for them to kind of understand where she's coming from. | ||
Because if you do break it down, it makes a lot of sense. | ||
But if it's just thrown like that, then it's harder for them to figure it out. | ||
But they can do the—I keep, like, pointing here, like the liberals are here. | ||
These people over here, the liberals over here. | ||
So they just need to kind of break it down and figure it out. - Do you think maybe you need | ||
both, like in any movement? | ||
Like if you just look at the black rights movement, that Malcolm X was different than Martin Luther King, | ||
and even the way comedians talked about things differently, Cosby talked about things differently than Dick Gregory, | ||
than Chappelle, than Chris Rock, like we just need people, people just get affected by different things. | ||
Yeah, shock value works. | ||
I mean, it gets people, it wakes people up. | ||
It allows them to kind of, you know, be more aware of what's going on. | ||
I totally, I do think we need both of them. | ||
We need people to say, you know, shut up, you're being annoying. | ||
And we also need people to say, here's why you're being annoying. | ||
We most certainly need both. | ||
But yeah, I think she, what she does is, you know, it's awesome. | ||
She has such a great platform. | ||
And there are also other people that are doing the same thing, but in a more kind of calmer, I am not saying she's like crazy or anything, but yeah, she's just, she's a tough girl, and a lot of SJWs are snowflakes. | ||
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Have you guys had any interaction? | |
Not necessarily. | ||
I mean, I think we've DM'd her, like we've talked over DMs on Twitter before, and this was after the whole Blaire White debate, and yeah, that was wild. | ||
Guys, guys, guys, yeah. | ||
No, I was just reaching out to her and asking her, like, hey, what's going on? | ||
Like, I don't, because she was, I think, closing everyone off that were criticizing her, and I didn't want to openly criticize her. | ||
I wanted to go directly to the source, but we left off on, like, a good note, so, yeah. | ||
All right, well, I'll put it out here. | ||
Why don't we have a Jay-Z, Kanye moment, and you both can come on the show sometime and talk it out. | ||
Yeah, and you're going to be like, guys, guys, please, guys! | ||
I'm a glutton for punishment. | ||
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Yeah, exactly. | |
So, when I was doing a little research on you, one of the things that I thought was most interesting is that, so you have a twin sister. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And part of your awakening was related to a paper that she was writing in college, right? | ||
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Yeah. | |
So can you tell me about that? | ||
Because it's pretty fascinating. | ||
Oh yeah, for sure. | ||
So my sister is not into politics at all. | ||
She is studying marketing. | ||
And she decided to take, she goes to Ryerson University, one of the Biggest far-left universities in Canada. | ||
And he took a sociology course, that was her fault, and it was called How Society Works. | ||
I think it was the title of the course is what bothered me, because if the course was feminism studies, if the course was, you know, how women are oppressed, then yes, sure. | ||
But this is how society works. | ||
And, you know, in their assignment they had to talk about know some societal issue and discuss it and analyze it or | ||
whatever and she wanted to talk about the week or i actually encouraged a | ||
right-wing community dot the wage gap in you know how it's false and | ||
you know how it's misinterpreted in all that you were sending her i was | ||
sending her up a little i i wanted to test out but i didn't know it would be | ||
the professor would be no respond that way | ||
uh... but yet on the right about the wage gap so she just sent like a short | ||
thesis and said like here's what i want to talk about and then the studies | ||
mobile let me know and uh... professor like her response is a mean like i hope | ||
i can let me ask my put it up as i think it's like the reality is patriarchy | ||
do not use business sources and they blame women and it's like period the | ||
reality is patriarchy do not they blame women and like you know the screenshot of this | ||
you can find Oh, yes, for sure. | ||
Alright, we're gonna throw it at you. | ||
Definitely, yeah. | ||
So people can see this. | ||
I was reading it, I was like, okay, this is fake, right? | ||
This is definitely fake. | ||
No, she basically shut it down. | ||
She said, your premise is completely wrong. | ||
And it was one of the most absurd emails ever. | ||
And use only feminist sources. | ||
Yeah, that was the one. | ||
In the assignment details, the list of sources they can't use was dictionary.com, the encyclopedia. | ||
You couldn't use the Government of Canada website. | ||
You couldn't use Statistic Canada, Statistics Canada. | ||
How does that even make sense? | ||
How are you going to explain how society works? | ||
And the only source you have is feminist studies. | ||
And as Peterson has mentioned this so many times, they're not cited. | ||
It's just within this little group. | ||
These aren't real textbooks. | ||
But yeah, it just, it blew my mind, and I was so excited as she said that, because I was like, this is exactly what is wrong. | ||
So, okay, so your sister gets this response. | ||
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Yeah. | |
What was her response? | ||
Was she like, oh, look what you did to me? | ||
No, yes, she was upset at me, and she thought I was wrong, and I had to sit her down and say, girl, let me explain it to you. | ||
Here is what is actually happening. | ||
By the end of that conversation, she's like, oh my gosh, I've been, every class I go to, I've been lied to. | ||
They are lying to me every single day, and it's so messed up. | ||
I think it's—this isn't teaching. | ||
This is imposing your political ideas on students, because if it's teaching, you teach it objectively. | ||
You show them the facts and let your students come up with their own conclusions. | ||
This is not teaching. | ||
She's trying to tell them how to think. | ||
And, you know, I did some research on her, actually, and she's the highest-paid woman in her—person in her department. | ||
She makes more money than the male counterparts. | ||
What are you talking about? | ||
So I'm sure there's a reason for it. | ||
I don't think you can cite that in the paper. | ||
Yeah, exactly. | ||
But it's like, there's obviously reasons for it. | ||
She probably works more hours. | ||
She's, you know, doing all these other things. | ||
And that's how you can explain the wage gap. | ||
So it was just interesting to me that why, like, why are you doing this? | ||
Why are you lying to your students? | ||
Or isn't the point of education for you, like, or essays or assignments, like, you're supposed to come to your own conclusions by using facts. | ||
We have the facts. | ||
What's wrong with it? | ||
She just didn't want those facts. | ||
It blew my mind, but that was... | ||
Well, they're often not for facts. | ||
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They're for facts that they like, not for facts. | |
So what happened with the paper? | ||
Oh, she's like, okay, this is like too much for me, my sister. | ||
And she ended up just doing some other like topic and tried to pander to what the professor wanted to get a good mark on. | ||
And that is my advice to a lot of students is like, just suck it up. | ||
I mean, if you are already in this class, it's not worth getting a bad mark over. | ||
However, sorry, the great thing about it was I got a ton of messages from students from her class. | ||
and started to explain all the other things that this teacher is engaging in and how awful it is. | ||
And that made me happy 'cause they said, "You know what, next week I'm gonna speak up | ||
"and I'm gonna tell her she's wrong." | ||
And I was like, "Yes, yes, but be prepared. | ||
"Don't just say she's wrong." | ||
So it's interesting. | ||
So I talk about this when I do college speeches. | ||
Two years ago or so, I used to say what you said about get the grade, like suck it up and get the grade. | ||
Because hopefully, you know, if you want to move to grad school or get a good job after or whatever. | ||
And I've turned on that. | ||
Really? | ||
I really had a 180 on that. | ||
Because to me, it's like we live in a time where people can be on YouTube and expose these things. | ||
Share the emails out on social media. | ||
Periscope while you're in classes. | ||
Your teacher is telling you that you're an evil white racist. | ||
I have so many videos of my teachers, just the worst things. | ||
That's been so empowering for you. | ||
So that's why I'm not for telling kids, students, not to do that. | ||
But I understand the line of thinking. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And I guess it depends on the person. | ||
You can still kind of challenge your professor while he's, you know, just teaching. | ||
I meant more for assignments. | ||
Like, if the assignment says, explain why women are oppressed. | ||
Like, just do it. | ||
That's it. | ||
You're probably going to fail if you say women are not oppressed. | ||
But if the teacher is actually teaching, then yes, please. | ||
That is the best time, because you catch them at it. | ||
And I love watching them squirm. | ||
I love watching them just kind of look around. | ||
It's like, oh, there's a black woman asking me to tell her why she's oppressed. | ||
My white professor, please tell me what rights you have that I don't have in Toronto, Canada. | ||
And it's like, well, you know, there is white privilege. | ||
It's like, oh my gosh, stop. | ||
It's enough. | ||
Do you feel bizarrely empowered because of that now? | ||
I mean, someone who's clear on their political thoughts and you're not a victim nor wanna be a victim or anything | ||
or use immigrant status or blah, blah, blah. | ||
Do you feel very empowered? | ||
Like almost like your teachers can't push back on you in a weird way because they're caught | ||
in their own guilt cycle? | ||
And it's also funny because, you know, I'm an immigrant, I'm black, and I'm a woman. | ||
It's like I just have to be, I guess, Muslim and I'm all the oppressions. | ||
So it's really difficult for them. | ||
Do you have a limp or anything? | ||
Yeah, I got a limp. | ||
It's everywhere. | ||
Every oppression there is. | ||
But yeah, no, it's kind of funny to see how they can't challenge me because a lot of their arguments is based on lived experiences. | ||
This is what black people face. | ||
And I'm talking about the Canadian context. | ||
I think Canadian social, racial relations is a little bit different in the States than here in the States, sorry. | ||
But yeah, me being like a black woman, it's very difficult for them. | ||
They have to give me a legit argument, because the only argument is, well, black people feel that way. | ||
I don't. | ||
So what is your argument? | ||
But yeah, I mean, in a sense, it does kind of make me feel empowered, because it's funny to watch them squirm. | ||
Do you feel that you've had an undue influence, I suspect in a positive way, on some of your classmates? | ||
Because I'm imagining they're probably learning as much from you in some ways, if not more, than they're learning from some of these professors. | ||
Yeah, for sure. | ||
It's actually funny. | ||
There are some classes I'll have where a professor will say something absurd and there's a student that I know knows me from YouTube and he'll look at me and I'm like, I'm not saying anything, dude. | ||
And they'll raise their hand and they'll talk and they'll want me to like chime in. | ||
I'm like, I don't want to do this in every class. | ||
I'm not going to be challenging my professors. | ||
But yeah, I really like the fact that I've encouraged so many students to, you know, step up and actually speak up and say what they believe in. | ||
And yeah, it's just really, it's really interesting. | ||
There was a course where one of the textbooks, I forgot, damn it, this is why school sucks because like you forget everything literally instantly. | ||
One of the students said how it was problematic. | ||
And before, we just kind of brushed it off. | ||
And then another student rose their hand and said, why is it problematic? | ||
And then looks at me, I was like, oh god. | ||
But yeah, I really like that I've encouraged people to speak up and, you know, state what they believe. | ||
And do more research and not just listen to everything your professor is saying. | ||
Not just listen to anything I'm saying. | ||
Do more research and investigate and try to find, you know, let's get closer to the truth, is basically it. | ||
Do you think students want to be smarter than the stuff they're being spoon-fed? | ||
Because I definitely do. | ||
When I go to these schools, I see such a thirst for knowledge and honesty and facts and an exhaustion with this nonsense. | ||
But if you listen to the way the media talks either about millennials or whatever, it's like they're the spoiled, entitled generation. | ||
And I'm not saying that a lot of them aren't. | ||
But I genuinely think that most people, especially young people, they want real answers, not just like easy drivel. | ||
No, for sure. | ||
And I think a lot of this has to do with the student unions. | ||
And again, I'm talking, I'm obviously more familiar with the Canadian context of this, but the, you know, major schools, University of Toronto, York University and Ryerson University. | ||
I go to University of Toronto, run by Black Lives Matter. | ||
Ryerson, Black Lives Matter, and Feminist. | ||
York University, Black Lives Matter. | ||
I mean, individuals that are part of the Black Lives Matter original organizations are the president, vice president, and all that of the student union. | ||
And I was the president of the debate club for about three years—the first three years of my schooling. | ||
And I was like, you know what would be really exciting? | ||
To have a debate on racial issues. | ||
I would love to. | ||
I don't care if I'm on this side, on the other side. | ||
That would be such a good thing, because all we're ever being fed is race. | ||
Every corner, there's some poster about being black in U of T, which, by the way, people just realize, like, during the Trump election, we've been here for three years, no one complained, and all of a sudden, Trump is elected, it's hard to be black? | ||
Come on. | ||
But yeah, I went to go talk to the school presidents, and I said, I would love to have this event, all of that. | ||
They shut me down. | ||
They said anyone that goes in the other side, on the opposite side, is, you know, trying to question the humanity of black people. | ||
How dare they try, and I'm sitting there like, I will be the one, like what are you talking about? | ||
But yeah, they canceled it and shut it down, which is so sad, I was so excited for that. | ||
So it's interesting, I know you've been pretty critical of Black Lives Matter, and I want to get into that a little bit, but the moment for me that I realized it had morphed into something that I no longer felt was positive, because at the beginning I did think it was basically a positive movement, Or a grassroots movement that was making some sense and addressing some important issues. | ||
But the moment I realized that it jumped the shark was in Toronto, actually, at the Toronto Pride Parade, when they stopped the parade. | ||
They literally stopped the parade from marching to demand that the organizers of the Gay Pride Parade, another oppressed group, submit to their demands, whatever their demands were, that they were going to focus on these issues. | ||
And I thought, wow, what a perfect example of everything that's wrong with identity politics, with the oppression Olympics, the whole thing. | ||
And then subsequently, I saw a lot more of that style of thinking happening throughout Black Lives Matter. | ||
But was that moment for you, as someone that's from Toronto, we met in Toronto, was that a seminal moment for you? | ||
Yeah, for sure. | ||
I mean, I absolutely hate Black Lives Matter Toronto. | ||
I can't say much for many of the other Black Lives Matter chapters, but Black Lives Matter | ||
Toronto is extremely toxic and divisive. | ||
And I think it's mainly because we were getting so much better in terms of racial relations, | ||
and people were getting along. | ||
And there wasn't really—I mean, I'm speaking for myself—there wasn't really that many | ||
racism or racist acts happening. | ||
But all of a sudden, they erupt and they say, you know, "Black people feel uncomfortable | ||
during Pride because of the police," when, again, happens during the Trump presidency. | ||
It's like all of a sudden, you're starting to feel oppressed. | ||
And it blew my mind. | ||
Stopping the Pride parade, I was so confused. | ||
They stopped it for like an hour, asking for demands that the police be banned. | ||
And it's like, being a gay police officer, isn't that an oppression? | ||
And then they say, okay, but you can go without your uniform. | ||
Are you kidding me? | ||
No, that's not the point. | ||
The point is, there was a stigma against being, you know, a police officer and being gay. | ||
How dare you take that away from them? | ||
And there were a lot of proposals, by the way, during the Pride parade with officers in their uniform. | ||
That's beautiful! | ||
Like, what are you, are you really going to try to Marriage proposals. | ||
Yeah, sorry, marriage proposals. | ||
And I was like, oh my god, this is such a great thing. | ||
But no, no, no, now they've actually been banned. | ||
They're not coming to the Pride, I think, for the next five years or so. | ||
But that actually was not the reason why I started to hate BLM. | ||
Do you remember the Jordan Peterson free speech event in Toronto? | ||
I do, Rebecca. | ||
Oh yeah! | ||
So he teaches at University of Toronto, my school, and this is actually when I started making videos. | ||
It was because during the event, this was his first public event after making the series of videos, and Black Lives Matter was there. | ||
There were two sides, I guess, and I wasn't really picking a side. | ||
It was also my very first protest. | ||
I was just there to observe. | ||
I was very confused as to why people were yelling at each other, what was going on. | ||
I should have just gone home. | ||
It's too late now, sister. | ||
I observed the whole thing and it was pretty peaceful. | ||
People of color went up there and were saying things like, you know, I don't feel oppressed. | ||
This is one of the greatest countries in the world, especially Toronto. | ||
This is so diverse. | ||
Everyone loves each other. | ||
Everyone's nice to each other. | ||
You know, the Black Lives Matter were calling them coons, they were calling them sellouts, they were yelling all these things, and I immediately knew who the aggressors were. | ||
I immediately knew which side I did not want to be on. | ||
I wasn't picking sides, but I was like, oh god. | ||
I stayed till the very end, till the last person left, because this was, again, first protest. | ||
I was excited and talking to everyone. | ||
I got home and there were articles that were posted by the school newspaper, by Toronto Star. | ||
about you know black people were you know to call the n_ word they were | ||
harassed someone brought the dog someone brought dot i was actually standing next | ||
to the person of the dogs phone apparently brought dogs to chase off the back | ||
black people complete lies and that will put me in the eyes to like the media bias | ||
that didn't happen not even close to being happening to happen | ||
So it blew my mind that they would lie about that. | ||
And then I personally messaged the leader of Black Lives Matter and said, I'm disappointed. | ||
Girl, I was there, like, why are you doing this? | ||
And then I decided to start making videos because I said, clearly, they're getting the wrong information. | ||
The school literally thinks Jordan Peterson was this Nazi that came and said, I hate black people and women and transgenders and all of that. | ||
So I just thought like, you know what? | ||
If no one's gonna do it, I should do it. | ||
And then I started making videos, which was weird because I had to go to school the next day and then deal with these people. | ||
Yeah, but you know what? | ||
You put your ass on the line and it's paid off. | ||
Wait, so did when you DM the Black Lives Matter president, did she respond to you? | ||
Yeah, she responded to me saying, um, I'm going to screenshot this, uh, to use against you in the future. | ||
Why don't you say it to my face? | ||
I still have it saved because I'm like, I, I'm going to save this for the rest of my life. | ||
Yeah. | ||
The, the president, like the co-founder of Black Lives Matter Toronto said she's gonna, I should say it to her face and she's going to use this against me in the future. | ||
I mean, all I said was, I was there, this is very inappropriate, why are you telling lies, you're making black people feel like, you know, this is what actually happened, you're making students feel like, that's why students feel like they're being oppressed, because you're telling them, sorry. | ||
No, no, what do you think these people, and I don't mean just Black Lives Matter in this case, but like this type of person at a university, whether it's from gender studies or whatever it is, with all the identity politics stuff. | ||
What do you think they actually want in the end? | ||
If they were to get what they want, what is that? | ||
That's what I don't understand is that they are obviously fakes, because if they truly care about black liberation, there are policies that you could point to that you can probably fix and help the black community. | ||
And in Canada, one of the things was carding. | ||
And that was actually, immediately, carding was gone in Toronto or Ontario, I'm not sure, either the province or the city. | ||
But that's the one thing where I was like, okay, random stops, I think that's something that should be, you know, stopped and it's done in inner city neighborhoods and blah blah blah. | ||
Apart from that, it's like, okay, what else do you want? | ||
They want black professors. | ||
They want police out of pride. | ||
That's not helping black people. | ||
That's not changing their socioeconomic status. | ||
So what do you—what is your goal? | ||
I really don't understand, because it's—you don't care. | ||
I don't want to say—I mean, I do care. | ||
I don't want to say, like, I have all the solutions. | ||
But I can tell you what to do, but they're telling people false solutions. | ||
They're telling them that we need all black professors to teach black people. | ||
But I don't know what their goal is. | ||
I don't know if— Money, I guess? | ||
I really don't get it. | ||
I don't get it, seriously. | ||
All right, so let's shift to Jordan Peterson a little bit, because you are a student at the University of Toronto. | ||
That's where he's been teaching for many years, this whole kerfuffle over transgender pronouns. | ||
It's all his fault! | ||
The school is so, like, everyone's yelling at each other and hates each other. | ||
I blame him! | ||
What's the atmosphere like at the school actually? | ||
He's not teaching there right now because obviously he's on tour and the book and the whole thing. | ||
But has the atmosphere changed and do you think it's directly related to some of the stuff that he unearthed? | ||
I think it has changed because there you can see the groups you get and when someone you know has a slightly right-wing or it's funny because I and the fact that they associate individualism and the fact | ||
that they associate thinking for yourself with being right wing it's | ||
like why would you want to do that it should not be | ||
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uh... yeah uh... so the when you're a little bit more right wing i guess | ||
tend to say that you know you are jordan peterson fan and you hate | ||
transgenders and blah blah blah and there's a clear divide you can tell which side people | ||
are on uh... but i think i think it was bound to happen regardless | ||
and just began because of the trump presidency like we just blame trump | ||
for everything - Yes. | ||
So you sort of view it as kind of a necessary evil that he sort of got this stuff I mean again it goes to what we were talking about earlier like some of these people get these issues out there and then hopefully some goodness comes after them. | ||
Yeah, definitely. | ||
And I think the other thing is Trump allowed people, like I said earlier, to think for themselves in a sense, to understand that maybe not everything is how it seems. | ||
Maybe things that I'm learning is not exactly how it is. | ||
And, you know, I may disagree with his politics because I'm a liberal in general, but I do think that, yeah, it was bound to happen, and Trump kind of shook things up and a lot more people are engaging in politics now, which is so exciting and also really scary at the same time. | ||
Well, isn't that it? | ||
That's it right there. | ||
I think just this morning I tweeted something out to that effect. | ||
It's like, wow, it's incredibly exciting. | ||
It doesn't mean things are going to be good. | ||
I actually, I believe things actually are going to get better because there's so many cool new young people like yourself out there putting out ideas. | ||
Like, I have hope, but yeah, it doesn't mean that's how it's going to go. | ||
It might go the other way. | ||
But then the other thing is that because the far left are scared that people are starting to, you know, do more research. | ||
People are starting to Google things nowadays. | ||
They've started to... So that's why they want to control Google. | ||
Exactly. | ||
So now you can't find any right information. | ||
You can only find theirs. | ||
Yeah. | ||
But now they're changing definitions of things. | ||
So, I mean, the definition of racism is no longer individual. | ||
It has to do with power plus privilege. | ||
So, in other words, only white people can be racist towards minorities. | ||
Minorities cannot be racist towards white people. | ||
They've also taken hold of the student unions, and Jordan Peterson has talked about this a lot. | ||
So, sorry, what was the question? | ||
Well, my question generally was about Jordan and being a student at the University of Toronto. | ||
Yeah, keep going. | ||
I just feel like the student unions are just influencing a lot of the students, and they're influencing a lot of the events that are happening. | ||
They claim to speak on behalf of all students, and they claim that they're fighting against racism, except they define it a different way. | ||
I mean, who's going to go against someone that says they're fighting against racism and sexism and every other buzzword that they can throw out there? | ||
You have to accept it. | ||
And because they've changed the definition of racism, they've started to have events, and there was a white privilege conference, which I actually did a video on, Yeah, I wanted to go to that. | ||
At Ryerson University, yeah. | ||
So that's the way that they're countering it. | ||
They're countering the facts with just, you know, alternative facts. | ||
With their own BS, feminist studies ideas, I don't even know. | ||
But that's, I guess, the way they're doing it. | ||
They're trying to influence students from schools so that when they get out they can become more liberal. | ||
So the things that Jordan talks about, when he talks about the individual, and when he talks about why the government shouldn't be able to tell you what pronouns to use, etc., etc., you see these things as all directly related to everything else that you've been talking about here. | ||
Yeah, no, for sure. | ||
And I think it's also about... Sorry, I just blanked. | ||
So we were at a Jordan event. | ||
That's where we met, about a month ago in Toronto. | ||
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And was it a white supremacist, evil, incel male... I was stoned on my way out. | |
I mean, but were you surprised at all when you saw what type of people and an interesting diverse young I think most of them I've been telling people it's about 60-40 male to female but sometimes it's even closer to 50-50. | ||
Yeah, no, I think it's pretty diverse and I've gone to several events like political events, I guess, where I look in the crowd and I'm like, wow, there's a lot of minorities here, there's women here, there's men here, there's everyone here. | ||
And sorry, where I blanked was the idea that you can't debate something. | ||
That's where, that was the whole Peter, I'm like ranting here, sorry. | ||
The whole Peter thing gets me all excited because I was there, it was so fun. | ||
He has his effect on people. | ||
But the fact that you can't debate certain topics. | ||
The fact that you can't debate whether or not we should use certain pronouns. | ||
Because they say, well you're questioning my identity. | ||
You're questioning me as a person. | ||
My humanity. | ||
They turn it around and make it sound like you hate that person. | ||
And that's the thing. | ||
It's not like I agree with Peterson or I agree with the students. | ||
I just want to hear both sides. | ||
That's all I'm asking for. | ||
So then we can all make an informed conclusion. | ||
But they don't want you to hear both sides. | ||
They want you to hear their side, and that is the only side. | ||
You see what happened with, like, Lindsey Shepard, as well, where she, you know, played a Peterson debate, where there are all sides, and they don't want you to hear that. | ||
They only want you to hear their side. | ||
And that's where—that's one thing I hate the most, just the lack of discussion. | ||
Yeah, so I'm glad you brought up Lindsay, because that also is happening in Canada. | ||
That was at Wilfrid Laurier University. | ||
Now there's a lawsuit that she's involved in, and I suspect, I read some of the initial brief. | ||
I mean, I think this thing's gonna be a bloodbath for the university. | ||
But what does that say is happening in Canada in a larger way? | ||
I think you've kind of hit on this a little bit. | ||
You guys are almost having this Trump hangover or something, or even the Black Lives Matter thing. | ||
It didn't start in America. | ||
As you said, race relations were different, In Canada, I would argue they're still great here. | ||
No, they're great here, yeah, for sure. | ||
Canadians are just nicer, okay? | ||
Right, Canadians just generally... You guys, you know, we've done two shows in Toronto, and the shows were totally nice and pleasant, but like, we've gone to some other cities where, and I find it's usually in the progressive cities, So it's been in, you know, San Francisco and it's been in Seattle and a couple of the others where the crowds are the craziest, the most raucous, which is what I like the most because they kind of, they need his message. | ||
Toronto, you guys are very pleasant. | ||
You're very pleasant. | ||
I think we're getting to a point where we need his message. | ||
I think it's getting a little scary, especially with Trudeau as our prime minister. | ||
He's kind of kowtowing to a lot of the social justice warriors. | ||
And the fact that he's even, you know, talking to Black Lives Matter Toronto, who, you know, the leader—one of the leaders said she wants to kill white men. | ||
She tweeted that. | ||
She wished she could kill all white men. | ||
and the other one actually stole three hundred thousand dollars from a student | ||
union stole it and said that she on her last day she filed her | ||
overtime and she's filed thousands of hours of overtime and said she filed | ||
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three hundred thousand dollars worth of overtime. It's a third of our entire | |
budget of our student union's budget, a third and here's the best part of it, she files that | ||
obviously there's alerts that go off, you can't take that much money for what | ||
what are you, your student union president? Three hundred thousand dollars? Pretty sure there aren't that many hours | ||
in the day. | ||
But here's the thing, she claims that the majority of those hours come from work that she does for the black community, for like Black Lives Matter. | ||
That doesn't count. | ||
No one is asking, that's not affiliated with the school. | ||
No one's asking, whatever you do at home has nothing to do with that. | ||
Anyways, the school obviously said they wanted the money back, they tried to sue her, and they started a whole campaign saying, my university is anti-black. | ||
And then they started to put posters up, they gathered a bunch of people saying that they're only suing her because she's black. | ||
You stole $300,000. | ||
You took $300,000, girl. | ||
Like, are you- Because you're black? | ||
Are you kidding me? | ||
Does that not even- Anyway, she- You know, they vandalized the student union. | ||
They have, like, megaphones start yelling, saying, anti-black racism happens here, hence- And it was just this whole ordeal. | ||
Like, it's- Ugh, gosh. | ||
Anyways. | ||
What have you found the best arguments to get people your age to wake up to some of this stuff? | ||
Like, I know obviously they're watching your videos, so that's like probably your prime way of doing it, but have you found simple arguments, simple phrases or whatever that you can use to get some people out of this? | ||
Uh, everything can be explained away through a socioeconomic standpoint. | ||
A lot of the issues that the black community faces because they're poor, which is the same issues that poor white communities face, as well. | ||
And, you know, there are examples of black Americans and black Canadians that do do well—do well and uh... you have to look at why they're doing well | ||
okay so they have higher education you know there's their both parents are | ||
home and there are all these different factors to look at and | ||
take also it's not just the color of my skin | ||
it's either choices are i make or the area and in the surroundings i'm in | ||
or the school i want to rather than just it's the color of my skin | ||
uh... but i think it the you just have to break it down to that before a lot of | ||
people can understand what where i'm coming from and why i think a | ||
certain way It's easy just to say, well, it's because I'm black and I'm not doing as well. | ||
No, there's so many different ways to explain it. | ||
How do you rub off all the stuff that they must say about you? | ||
Because I have enough friends that are black conservatives or are kind of liberal or whatever you want to call it. | ||
The things that I see get That gets said about them all. | ||
Every time Larry Elder comes and does my show and I look on Twitter, the things that the supposed tolerant people, right, the progressives, the lefties, that they say about this man who I know is being authentic. | ||
Well, it's ridiculous. | ||
I mean, I get a lot of hate comments where, you know, they'll call me coon, they say I hate myself, I want to be white, all these different things. | ||
The one part is like me speaking this way or speaking, I guess, I don't want to say proper English per se, but I'm trying to be white. | ||
I'm trying to be something I'm not. | ||
And it's like, why are you fitting people, a race and a group? | ||
You're just allowing white people just to say, well, black people are just dumb. | ||
Because if you say, we all act the same way and we should all think the same way, that means you can—every black person can be explained with one statement. | ||
That's not fair. | ||
Let us all be individuals. | ||
In fact, you should be fighting for us to be individuals and have our own ideas. | ||
Why are we trying to form groups? | ||
And then, you know, they wonder why there's all these, like, white supremacist groups forming up. | ||
Because you've already... it's a sides thing. | ||
You said there's our side and there's your side. | ||
So you're like, OK, sure, we'll form a group, I guess, and go against you. | ||
But yeah, I mean, I don't... a lot of the hate comments are just useless. | ||
I ignore the epithets, but I do try to understand a lot of the criticism. | ||
And again, it's just not understanding where I'm coming from. | ||
It's not, you know, getting their stats from the right place. | ||
The Root.com or Onion is not somewhere to get your facts from. | ||
I like that you compared those. | ||
It's pretty funny. | ||
But when I, you know, get into a detailed discussion with a lot of them, then they understand where I'm coming from, and it's like there's this light that kind of shines. | ||
And I do that at my school a lot as well, where someone that absolutely hates me, I'll spend a whole day talking to them, and at the end I call it, like, it's really awful to use this conversion therapy. | ||
It's just awful to say that. | ||
Well, you're not electrocuting them. | ||
No. | ||
But by the end of it, it's like their minds are blown because they just believed everything Black Lives Matter said, everything the mainstream left media have said. | ||
So I think it's just you just got to talk to them. | ||
They don't want to talk. | ||
They're stuck in an echo chamber. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Do you see this intersectionality and this combining of perceived oppressions? | ||
Something that will just sort of crap out under its own weight. | ||
So like, for example, if you're going to keep saying, well, black people should or this minority, whatever that minority is, should get easier entrance to this or access to this or whatever. | ||
What you're actually saying is, well, other people are going to have to be punished based on their immutable characteristics. | ||
We see this now. | ||
I mean, I see a massive split happening. | ||
with the Asian community right now in America because by every metric that we judge success, | ||
they are succeeding at extremely high levels because of hard work and education | ||
and commitment to family. | ||
But if you're gonna start saying, well, we're gonna have to take less of them | ||
because we have to take more of other people, you're actually setting these groups to hate each other. | ||
That is so dangerous. - Exactly. | ||
And you're telling one group that they can't do it on their own. | ||
And there are some studies—I forgot who wrote it, but it was called the mismatch theory, which is a lot of the minority students that are getting thrown in universities or are not qualified actually turn out worse. | ||
When they come out, they don't get jobs because they don't have the actual skills that they needed to get in. | ||
But yeah, it creates this kind of tension. | ||
Why would you tell someone that, you know, they're more important just because of the color of your skin? | ||
to piss other people off. | ||
I don't think that's a way to move forward. | ||
I don't think that's a way to progress. | ||
But, yeah. | ||
And the whole intersectionality thing, it's ridiculous. | ||
The Pride parade, I guess, in Toronto is an example of that. | ||
It's like, "My issues are more important." | ||
And then, obviously, the LGBTQ community, they all hated that, and they were all very | ||
upset with it, because it's like Pride is one of the most inclusive events in the city. | ||
Why are you trying to ruin it and say this is a black thing? | ||
It's an everybody thing. | ||
We're all advocating for everyone here. | ||
So they're just going to ruin themselves if they keep just batting each other. | ||
Speaking of that, I saw the thing that you did. | ||
You were not happy when they put the black and brown stripes. | ||
Stripes into the rainbow flag, which I also thought was completely ridiculous. | ||
The whole point is that this is for everybody. | ||
We're not looking at all your differences and all your races. | ||
That's one thing. | ||
It's like reverse segregation. | ||
I really don't get it. | ||
The white privilege conference at Ryerson University, that's reverse segregation. | ||
And I actually gave them the benefit of the doubt. | ||
I'm like, I'm going to ignore the name. | ||
I'm going to actually try to see what they're trying to teach. | ||
And ultimately, the end, the conclusion of this event was, listen to people. | ||
Listen to what people are saying. | ||
So, anecdotes. | ||
Only listen to people's feelings. | ||
So, it's like, that's not how you form a society. | ||
The majority were white women that were just sitting there hearing black people tell them, just listen to our stories because we know and we experience it. | ||
And, you know, we have to have, you know, black spaces. | ||
In fact, there is someone that tweeted during the event saying, a woman just rose her hand to speak while white-splaining. | ||
Wait for later where we have our white corner so we can talk about, you know, What is this? | ||
What kind of society are we preparing ourselves for? | ||
It's literally reverse segregation, or segregation in the true sense of the word. | ||
And yeah, I really don't get it. | ||
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What do you make of the guilty white allies? | |
Those people, you know, when I've had... I know you've met Brett Weinstein from Evergreen and Heather, his wife. | ||
One of the things that fascinated me most when he was going through the ordeal there | ||
was that he said he never feared the black students physically or the brown students or whatever. | ||
It was the white allies, he said, that had this sort of look in their eye, | ||
like they were the ones that could get violent. | ||
And I've seen that look. | ||
What do you make of that sort of ginned up hatred? | ||
'Cause it's hard to, 'cause if you're not black, | ||
then, I mean, they're trying to explain it, if you're not black, then you don't experience it, | ||
you don't understand it. | ||
So as a white ally, you have to just take everything an activist says to you as fact, as this is what is happening. | ||
One of the speakers actually, he did an interview for the Toronto Star and they asked him, and I was like, okay, what, where do you see white privilege in Toronto? | ||
And he said, literally, I mean I'm paraphrasing here. | ||
But he said, when you walk into a store, black people have to think about the fact that people are watching them. | ||
Okay, sure. | ||
I was like, fine, whatever. | ||
But apparently, black people have to pay for items in one section before they can move to another section, so they don't get accused of stealing. | ||
He got a chance to tell us what white privilege is, and that was his example of white privilege. | ||
No, it's never happened. | ||
I've worked retail for like the most of my life. | ||
What, you're going to like pay in the kids section before you go to the men's section? | ||
Like what world is this guy living in? | ||
It blew my mind. | ||
And another one, you know, did an article where it's how the outdoors is racist and how, you know, people feel like the, you know, skiing and hiking and everything is a white space and therefore black people don't want to go to it. | ||
And it's like, who you're saying it, you are the one that are making these claims. | ||
Why are we there? | ||
It's just more division. | ||
It's more like, - It pisses me off. | ||
Yeah, you know what, because you're visiting LA for a couple days. | ||
I don't have a ton of time, but maybe we could go on a quick hike and see what happens. | ||
I know. | ||
A white guy and a black woman go on a hike. | ||
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Yeah, exactly. | |
But it just, you obviously don't care about the betterment of the black community | ||
'cause you wouldn't be talking about these non-issues. | ||
Here in the States, you can talk about, sorry, how the education system works. | ||
You can talk about the war on drugs. | ||
You can talk about the prison system. | ||
But yet, the amount of people they got to protest the Trayvon Martin, you know, shooting. | ||
If you can get that many people to protest the war on drugs, you can probably make a change. | ||
But no, they're going to focus on, you know, I think police shootings is one of the least things that are actually affecting black Americans. | ||
But yet, that's what they want to put their focus on. | ||
How much of the root of that is just lazy thinking? | ||
Like, it's easy to get people ginned up about a shooting, per se, and I'm not diminishing the ones that are wrong, obviously, but it's easier to take all of the anecdotal stuff, the woman at the shopping center who this happened to, or that. | ||
It's always easier to do that than to really be like, let's really look at the prison systems, which I would be for-looking. | ||
I would be figuring out ways that we can do I totally agree. | ||
education to minority communities that have been neglected, all of those things, but those things aren't really sexy, | ||
they're not like the things that get people out on the streets for more than a day, it's the other stuff. | ||
So part of this is just human nature, right? | ||
Yeah, I totally agree. | ||
I mean, I can base all my arguments on anecdotes, but that doesn't, like that means nothing to me. | ||
I can just say, oh, well, this one day—I've lived in Toronto all my life, and I've never experienced racism. | ||
I'm not going to use that as facts. | ||
But yeah, but it's so much easier to do so. | ||
It's so much easier to, you know, play with the heartstrings and say, like, this is what's really happening. | ||
But it's just—it's just sad that there are actual policies that, you know, can be changed or put in place that could actually uplift the black community. | ||
But, you know, none of the people that claim to be the activists care. | ||
Especially the celebrities, which really annoys me. | ||
Beyonce and Jay-Z, all they do is talk about, you know, black rights and blah, blah, blah. | ||
Why don't you use your billion dollars to, you know, create some rehabilitation center for people that are getting out of prison? | ||
Why don't you try to fight for the war on drugs? | ||
Like, it's all these things where it's, yeah, it's easy just to say, oh, look, there's a shooting, you know, this is what black people experience every day, and, you know, white people are racist, the end. | ||
No, it's easier for them just to say, look at this anecdote and this shooting, and that's what's affecting us. | ||
But there's so many other things that could be done. | ||
Yeah, I think you saw a little bit of my appearance at University of New Hampshire when those kids were yelling at me, and when that one woman, who I don't think was a student, I think she was either a mother of a student or an advisor or something, when she kept saying, you know, these kids, pointing to the black kids, could get shot when they walked out of here. | ||
She's talking about at University of New Hampshire. | ||
And it's like, I actually, that was one of the only moments where I didn't know what to say because it was so crazy to say that. | ||
Like, you're not going to be shot when you walk out of here. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And I think I maybe said something to that effect, but like, it's like, that's really dangerous, that line of thinking. | ||
I totally agree. | ||
And I was actually having a, I went to a comedy club the other day and there's this guy on stage. | ||
He was like typical inner city black youth or whatever. | ||
And he, After his set, he came to sit at my table, everyone was gone, and he made a comment saying, wow, it was really hard to be a black woman in this country. | ||
And this is, again, this is Canada. | ||
I feel like there's no excuses for Canada. | ||
Like, get out of here. | ||
And I asked him, okay, how? | ||
And he's just like, I don't know, it's just, it's really hard to be, you know, a woman and black. | ||
I'm like, yeah, I get the whole woman thing, because, you know, men are, you know, physically bigger and blah, blah, blah. | ||
But why is it hard for me to be black in Toronto specifically? | ||
And he's like, you know, because, you know, there's just white privilege. | ||
I'm like, no, no, no. | ||
Give me two reasons. | ||
Give me two concrete reasons. | ||
Could not come up with one. | ||
Because there is—you can't come up with one. | ||
You have to use the anecdotes. | ||
You have to use the, you know, if you walk out the street, you're going to get shot. | ||
Why? | ||
What are the statistics of people that get shot by police? | ||
Oh, seven get shot by police per year, and it's not recorded by race, and it also doesn't tell us if they're armed or unarmed. | ||
seven people and you're telling me you're more likely to walk out the door | ||
of the black person get shot that's not an epidemic you know it's not the | ||
damage the crime in black communities that's an epidemic but you want to | ||
ignore that and just talk about the other yeah anecdotes that pull at the | ||
heartstrings and make people feel guilty and it's it's a waste of time it's such | ||
a waste of time what do your parents think about what you're doing | ||
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well they are conservative so they love it So what makes you not conservative? | |
If someone was to say, you're conservative, I watch your videos, you talk about conservatism's not that bad, blah, blah, blah. | ||
Why would you not say you're conservative? | ||
Putting aside the exhaustion of labels for a second. | ||
Yeah, yeah. | ||
Well, I would say I'm fiscally conservative. | ||
So I guess I do believe in, like, lower taxes in some sense. | ||
I do believe in the free market. | ||
I do believe in, you know, less regulations, all that fun stuff. | ||
But at the same time, I do think that there should be some sort of social safety net. | ||
and uh... you know living in canada where there is you know i'm sorry | ||
uh... free health not free health care universal health care and you know | ||
at universal education the education system is amazing that the funding for | ||
the education system is amazing it uh... so stuff like that where i think i'm a little bit | ||
more liberal where i do think the government should help in some way | ||
but it's cuz i'm used to it it's what i grew up with and i haven't really seen | ||
anything what different works works fine | ||
So I guess that, and I'm pro-choice, so it's stuff like that where I really do stand firm in my liberal views and ideas, and then, yeah, I'm fiscally conservative. | ||
Yeah, wow, we're pretty much... Aligned? | ||
We're pretty much on the level. | ||
I finally found somebody. | ||
Now we can go out hiking. | ||
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Yes! | |
Now we can start beating people. | ||
Exactly. | ||
I don't know what we're supposed to do. | ||
Once you find an ally, then you start attacking other people, I think, right? | ||
That's how it works. | ||
Something like that. | ||
Where do you want to go with all this? | ||
I've seen your channel grow. | ||
I think obviously having you here will help boost your profile a little bit. | ||
Are you going to go into politics? | ||
What are you going to do? | ||
Prime Minister of Canada? | ||
Take out that Trudeau guy with his fancy socks. | ||
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What do you think? | |
Maybe Peterson will do it, but you could probably be in his cabinet. | ||
Yeah, definitely. | ||
I'm enjoying what I'm doing now and I'm quite surprised that people even enjoy watching my videos. | ||
It's cool to do something you love and people like it as well. | ||
I really am having fun doing it. | ||
And I think I would probably go into politics later in life. | ||
I mean, I am doing political science. | ||
It has to be useful somewhere. | ||
I've been toying around with law, but again, I'm not sure if I really want to be in, you know, the whole... I don't know if I want to deal with law school. | ||
And I'm starting actually a podcast with my boyfriend, which I would be uploading very soon. | ||
Nice! | ||
Awesome. | ||
By the way, we should tell people. | ||
They'll find out otherwise. | ||
Your boyfriend is white. | ||
Yes, my boyfriend is white. | ||
Which means you could have potentially children who look black. | ||
Yeah. | ||
They might look white. | ||
They could look a little bit of both. | ||
You've talked about that a little bit. | ||
It doesn't really matter to you. | ||
No. | ||
Of course not. | ||
No. | ||
Yeah, my boyfriend being white has been used as like an attack against me, saying like, wow, look at you. | ||
What does he say? | ||
Sleeping with the devil or something like that. | ||
And it's just... He seems like a decent fella. | ||
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He's a great guy. | |
Maybe play Nintendo. | ||
No, he's a great guy. | ||
But again, it's the whole idea of why are you creating more divisiveness and then saying you want equality? | ||
Why are you saying a black woman being with a white man is bad? | ||
And then say, wow, white people are mean to me. | ||
You either want equality or you don't. | ||
You either want individuality or you don't. | ||
Pick one. | ||
You can't have both. | ||
Anyways, sorry. | ||
But yeah, I'm not 100% sure where exactly I will be in the next five years. | ||
I'm having fun with what I'm doing now. | ||
I work for the National Post, which I absolutely love. | ||
And then I have the podcast coming, so that's what I'm going to do for now. | ||
And maybe I might get into politics, but it's so messy. | ||
The fact that you even are going that far right now, you're doing it. | ||
Oh God, yeah. | ||
I hate to tell ya, I can see it now. | ||
But how exciting, I'll have somebody to support in Canada. | ||
You know what? | ||
You do something in Canada where you run and you become something, mayor or something, whatever you wanna do, I will consider moving to Canada. | ||
Really? | ||
If you can pull it off, it'll be a big freaking test and we'll see what happens. | ||
Definitely. | ||
You think I'd do okay there, a white guy? | ||
Oh, no. | ||
I'm sorry. | ||
You're done. | ||
You're done for. | ||
You're going to have to start giving me like half of your page just because, you know, racism and stuff. | ||
Yeah. | ||
But I think one thing that I would actually probably like to do, which I probably will not be able to, but to do a lot of work in like inner city communities, because I I don't want to say I've lived through it, but I understand what's going on there. | ||
I understand that, you know, there's high crime. | ||
I understand that in some neighborhoods, the schools aren't as good. | ||
For Canada, it's a little different, but I'd like to do some work there where I can kind of tell them, hey, I got out, and here's what I did to get out, and you can do it, too. | ||
There's so many—there's opportunities there for you. | ||
Like, if you were a poor minority, you know, child right now, please, just Try your hardest at school. | ||
Get an education. | ||
It's literally one of the greatest opportunities that you can have. | ||
And you're more likely, I mean, you're probably not 100% great, but you're more likely to be successful if you get an education. | ||
And that's the one thing a lot of black people are lacking, is the education component. | ||
And we don't really have the war on drugs and everything. | ||
So it really is weird for me that in inner cities of Toronto, where there's still this | ||
very high crime, there's still this tension. | ||
But have you ever heard of the Woodson Center, by any chance? | ||
It's a non-profit organization. | ||
It's located in D.C., but I've been working with them for some time, and they basically do the same thing. | ||
They go out to these neighborhoods and they help students, and they have such a good success rate. | ||
They help them in high school, because that's the other thing, is that a lot of black kids are not even graduating high school. | ||
Of course they're going to go into crime if you're not even graduating high school. | ||
So yeah, they work with a lot of students there. | ||
They, you know, have rehabilitation centers. | ||
They help, you know, black Sorry, Black Americans Reintegrate Into Society. | ||
Like, it's stuff like that where it's these grassroots movements that I would really like to do. | ||
And I know it's a big dream, but I think that's where I'll probably be happiest, is where I can show people how it's done and help them. | ||
And hopefully everyone can copy that and say, oh, this is what we're supposed to do, and all that. | ||
Awesome, I love it and I have no doubt that you're gonna do it and you guys can follow this future member of Canadian Parliament on her YouTube channel right here. |