July 13, 2018 - Rubin Report - Dave Rubin
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| Joining me today is the libertarian candidate for governor from the great state of New York, Larry Sharp. | ||
| Welcome to The Rubin Report. | ||
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| Libertarian New York. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Are you okay, sir? | ||
| The issue to remember here is Cato actually rated us 50th. | ||
| When it came to freedom, we beat California. | ||
| See, we got you. | ||
| You came here to California to see me. | ||
| Yes, because we're better than you when it comes to tyranny. | ||
| We got you. | ||
| You can't beat us. | ||
| So yes, this is a critical piece. | ||
| I'm glad I'm doing this. | ||
| It's the right answer, because imagine this. | ||
| If I make any impact in New York, what does that say for the country? | ||
| It shows that the impact of this race is so important that if I can make anything happen in New York State, it will affect the rest of the nation overnight. | ||
| I want you to imagine for a second, in my race, I just get 10%. | ||
| That will change how people think in New York throughout the entire state. | ||
| It'll force Republicans that actually have to be Republicans, Democrats to be Democrats, because now the Libertarian Party will have an actual voice. | ||
| So now when I go to Republicans and I say, you're supposed to be about small government, someone will listen. | ||
| When I go to Democrats and say, you're supposed to be about civil liberties, someone will listen. | ||
| It will force them to be better. | ||
| But I'm gonna go one step further. | ||
| What if I actually beat the Republican in New York state? | ||
| That's magical. | ||
| I beat the Republican. | ||
| New York State politics works for the first two parties actually run everything. | ||
| So Republicans would officially be knocked out. | ||
| So of course they'd rewrite the rules overnight. | ||
| Of course they would, right? | ||
| They'd rewrite the rules. | ||
| Of course they would. | ||
| I know that. | ||
| Are you implying that New York State has a corrupt assembly? | ||
| No. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| We have the most corrupt assembly. | ||
| Let's be clear on that. | ||
| Not a corrupt assembly. | ||
| You're insulting me now. | ||
| The most corrupt. | ||
| So, no, my point being, it would then allow for third parties to really exist in New York State, and that, again, would cross the nation. | ||
| But imagine if I actually won. | ||
| If I actually win, I turn New York State gold. | ||
| That would change the entire nation overnight. | ||
| Overnight, all the liberty-leaning Republicans, Democrats would come out of their woodwork and be like, we always loved Larry Sharp! | ||
| And they would all jump on board, and the Libertarian Party would become huge overnight. | ||
| This race has the most impact because it's New York. | ||
| Okay, so you are acknowledging this is an uphill battle. | ||
| It's coming my way. | ||
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In New York. | |
| Yes, and I gotta tell you, if it was six months ago, I knew I could make impact. | ||
| That 10% I knew I could get. | ||
| I knew that six months ago. | ||
| What does a Libertarian usually get in a gubernatorial race? | ||
| 1%, maybe. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| We rarely break 50,000 votes. | ||
| In fact, I don't think we've ever broken 50,000 votes. | ||
| What do you make of that, before we go specifically to your candidacy? | ||
| Because one of my issues with the Libertarians is, as a party, there's such disorganization. | ||
| I want to talk a little bit about Gary Johnson, because I know you worked for him and were almost his VP choice a couple years back. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I'm a big fan. | ||
| People try to beat him up, but I'm a big fan. | ||
| And we can get into some of that stuff, and I've had him on the show, and I think he's a good person. | ||
| I think he was just a flawed candidate. | ||
| But just that the party itself seems to be extremely disorganized, and you know, when they have these conventions, and it's like naked people, and all this. | ||
| Yeah, you bring up the naked guy. | ||
| There's always the naked guy. | ||
| Come on, let's let him go. | ||
| Have you met naked guy? | ||
| I'm sure he's a great guy. | ||
| He is a great guy. | ||
| He's a nice guy. | ||
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It's fine, whatever. | |
| It's fine. | ||
| But that, as a party, there's been a lot of disorganization here. | ||
| And I guess that, when you're making things about the individual, it's hard to get people to come together on the collective. | ||
| It is. | ||
| But what can you do? | ||
| Do you think that's a fair diagnosis, number one, what I just laid out? | ||
| Look, it's tough. | ||
| The system is set up against us, right? | ||
| It's up against us to fail. | ||
| Any third party, right? | ||
| Do you find any other third parties that are great? | ||
| No, but I at least like the idea of the libertarians. | ||
| It's like, I'm not on board with the green stuff, so I want the libertarians. | ||
| Yes, but they're collapsing too. | ||
| I mean, a lot of the third parties collapse because the system is against them. | ||
| But I say the same thing always. | ||
| The panacea, the cure-all, is victory. | ||
| When we begin to win, people will come up on our team. | ||
| A lot of the people who believe in us Don't join our party because of that. | ||
| So it's chicken and egg, right? | ||
| The party isn't awesome because awesome people aren't flooding to it. | ||
| Because the party isn't awesome, therefore awesome people aren't flooding to it, right? | ||
| It's a chicken and egg. | ||
| So once we become a real party where people actually are saying, wow, these guys can win. | ||
| So one of the reasons why I'm running is because of Tarion. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I'm not jumping ship and joining another party and trying to go on some other party. | ||
| I'm running as a libertarian. | ||
| I'm doing it on purpose. | ||
| I want to show people a third party can have impact and can win and join the third parties. | ||
| My candidacy, assuming I do very well, doesn't just help libertarians. | ||
| It helps any third party, but obviously heavily my party. | ||
| That's what I care about. | ||
| But it will help others also. | ||
| So you're right. | ||
| It's a problem. | ||
| Of course it is. | ||
| But all the parties are a problem. | ||
| Look, the Republicans and Democrats have kooks also, right? | ||
| They have crazy people. | ||
| There's no doubt about it. | ||
| It's just there's so few of us that I will stand out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And one of scrutiny. | ||
| I mean, the things that politicians who are Democrat and Republicans have said are far worse than what Libertarians have said. | ||
| But it's whatever. | ||
| They're the two old parties, so they get a pass. | ||
| I'm not mad at it. | ||
| It's the way it is. | ||
| It's a burden that we have that I've accepted and I've taken on. | ||
| It's the burden I take on, but here's the glory. | ||
| If I win this battle, my victory is sweeter because I had all the burdens. | ||
| I'm fine with it, is what it is. | ||
| Yeah, all right. | ||
| So before we get into the specifics of New York and what your libertarian principles are and things like that, tell me a little bit about your history, because you are actually born and bred in New York. | ||
| I am! | ||
| You've got an interesting history, and we're in the Marines and all sorts of stuff. | ||
| So take me back. | ||
| I'll give you the short version. | ||
| I'm born in Manhattan, biracial parents in the 60s. | ||
| My mom gives me up for adoption because she can't handle the issues of biracial issues in her family. | ||
| I'm very lucky. | ||
| I get adopted very young. | ||
| I think I was six weeks old by a lovely couple who took me to the Bronx, a German immigrant, and her husband, who was in the army in Germany, and that's how we met her. | ||
| So I'm raised in the Bronx. | ||
| I'm around nine or 10 in that area, 11. | ||
| And at that point, my mother had actually divorced and met another man who was my actual father, who actually raised me and taught me how to be a man. | ||
| We moved to Long Island. | ||
| He died when I was around 12 years old. | ||
| When he passed, it was just me and my mom. | ||
| My mom couldn't handle it. | ||
| She was really devastated by this. | ||
| Her family was in Germany. | ||
| She was here. | ||
| I was distant. | ||
| I was a young teenage boy trying to find my way also. | ||
| When I was 17, I left and joined the Marine Corps. | ||
| Joined the Marine Corps, was there for about six years, seven years. | ||
| When I got out, my mother had already collapsed. | ||
| She was initially addicted to legal drugs and eventually illegal drugs. | ||
| She was arrested, victim of the drug war. | ||
| She went to prison, convicted felon. | ||
| I got her out and tried to put her back on her feet. | ||
| I tried to help her to... She left the prison with two garbage bags. | ||
| That was what her life was. | ||
| So I helped her get back on her feet, try to get a job. | ||
| I saw how hard it was for her to get a job. | ||
| I mean, she was... | ||
| Always lying on every form because they knew she was a felon and they wouldn't hire her. | ||
| And when she was working she had to always lie and she was a hostage basically. | ||
| I became an entrepreneur because I didn't want my mom to be a hostage. | ||
| So we started our own business. | ||
| Me and her and my stepdad who was another man she had married afterwards. | ||
| And so we started a business together so that she could be her own person and not be a hostage. | ||
| That was our first business. | ||
| After that, got up and running. | ||
| I left that, had a bunch of sales jobs, and then decided to start my own business again. | ||
| That business did not go well. | ||
| I sold that one off. | ||
| Then I went and got this business, which I've had for 14 years. | ||
| I'm a consultant, a trainer. | ||
| I've been an officer in a public company twice. | ||
| I've taught in colleges. | ||
| I teach now at Baruch, sometimes John Jay. | ||
| I've taught at the graduate level as a guest instructor in Yale and Columbia. | ||
| So I've taught a lot. | ||
| I do a lot of executive coaching, training, leadership. | ||
| Sales, that kind of stuff. | ||
| I'm an entrepreneur. | ||
| I've been doing it for 14 years. | ||
| And two years ago, I saw an opportunity to jump on board the Libertarian Party as a VP nominee. | ||
| So I tried to get the VP slot. | ||
| I lost the bill, well, by 31 votes. | ||
| Not that anyone's counting. | ||
| And now I'm running for governor. | ||
| That was two years ago, or that was in 2012? | ||
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2016. | |
| That was 2016. | ||
| 2012 was when I first came to the party. | ||
| 2012 was when I first came to the party. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| I was not really political at all. | ||
| When I was a youngster. | ||
| Do you want to hear this story? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When I'm a youngster. | ||
| Hey, I'm interviewing you. | ||
| Alright, I love it. | ||
| What do you think we're doing here? | ||
| I'm happy to yap away. | ||
| You can give me out talk for seven hours. | ||
| I think that was the first time anyone's ever said that to me. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Do you want to hear this story? | ||
| Well, I want to make sure your audience wants to hear my cool stuff. | ||
| I don't want to just yap away and they're like, you know, clicking off. | ||
| I'm looking to watch. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| You want to have a drink instead? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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What do you want to do? | |
| If that would make it better, maybe. | ||
| All right, let's see what happens with the story. | ||
| So, as a youngster, I grew up in New York City, and of course, Democrats are good and Republicans are evil. | ||
| That's how it works, right? | ||
| You're evil because you have an R by your name, you're good because you have a D by your name. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who was the mayor at the time? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| I think it was Ed Koch. | ||
| Ed Koch, okay. | ||
| I loved Ed Koch, although I grew up in Long Island, but we were a big Koch family. | ||
| But it wasn't about him, it was about the party. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My mom and dad were strict Democrats. | ||
| That's who you are. | ||
| You are a Democrat because they were good and Republicans were evil. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But when I joined the Marine Corps at 17, the Marine Corps is a very conservative branch when it comes to the branches. | ||
| And most of my friends and people I know and leaders that I respected, they were mostly conservative Republicans. | ||
| Ronald Reagan was my first commander in chief. | ||
| So I think I kind of became a Republican as a teen, and as a young 20-something, I became more of a Republican, so I kind of shifted back. | ||
| I was never part of a party, and I only voted in the presidential elections because it was absentee. | ||
| I was always overseas, so I voted via mail, so I didn't even register locally to do the local elections. | ||
| Can we pause there for one sec? | ||
| So you mentioned you're biracial, and I hate making anything about race because we're so overly racialized now in identity politics and all this, but I think that a certain amount of my audience, when they hear you say that, all right, so you were, Ronald Reagan was your commander-in-chief, and you were identifying as a Republican back then, as a black man. | ||
| I've had many black conservatives on here, some of whom I consider great friends, like Larry Elder and I've had Thomas Sugg. | ||
| No, so that's why I wanted to ask you about that. | ||
| What was it like then to take that political position? | ||
| Well, I wasn't very political, if that made any sense. | ||
| I wasn't talking about things. | ||
| But even internally for you? | ||
| I didn't care. | ||
| I didn't care. | ||
| I don't care now. | ||
| I didn't care then. | ||
| I don't care now. | ||
| I am who I am. | ||
| I believe what I believe. | ||
| And you like it or you don't. | ||
| And that's how it is. | ||
| I didn't care then either. | ||
| Right on, man. | ||
| So I didn't really care to be forward with you. | ||
| Some people thought I was crazy. | ||
| My parents thought I was insane. | ||
| But whatever, I didn't care. | ||
| I didn't talk about it much. | ||
| I was worried about chasing girls at 19, 20 years old. | ||
| I was worried about being a Marine. | ||
| I wasn't worried about it. | ||
| It wasn't part of my life to be forward with you. | ||
| I look back now and I wish it was. | ||
| I wish I had known more stuff then. | ||
| But I was a young guy trying to figure out how to be a man. | ||
| I wasn't really thinking about that very much. | ||
| So, that's why eventually, in the 90s, I went to, I went to Perot because I just didn't want the R's or the D's. | ||
| Then I went to Nader in 2000 because I didn't want the R's or the D's. | ||
| I knew that the R's and the D's were the same. | ||
| There was no difference. | ||
| I knew they were all putting my friends in jail. | ||
| I knew they were all, the war on drugs and the war on terror wasn't going to stop. | ||
| That stuff was going to be bad no matter what I did. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| And again, if you would have asked me what was Perot, what was Nader's policies, I couldn't have told you. | ||
| I just knew they weren't the mainstream and therefore they were good enough for me. | ||
| And again, people thought I was crazy and I didn't care. | ||
| So, finally in 2008, I was considering not voting at all anymore. | ||
| I was really finished. | ||
| I was like, I don't care. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| I'm running a business. | ||
| I'm going to run my business, make my money, become a Brazilian heir, and who cares who's in charge? | ||
| Because I'll run them because I'll have all the money. | ||
| That was my logic in 2004. | ||
| So, 2008, when Obama came, I thought, okay, this is different. | ||
| He's a city guy. | ||
| He's black. | ||
| This is the guy. | ||
| He's different. | ||
| He speaks differently. | ||
| People are excited. | ||
| All right, you know what? | ||
| Maybe this is the guy. | ||
| And I had hope. | ||
| I bought the hope and change. | ||
| I bought it. | ||
| And when I bought it- So this is before you had sort of a libertarian awakening, right? | ||
| Actually, I was having a libertarian awakening. | ||
| But that sort of overrode it. | ||
| But I gotta tell you how I became that. | ||
| I became libertarian not through politics. | ||
| I became libertarian through Robert Ringer. | ||
| Do you know Robert Ringer? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Robert Ringer is a business guy. | ||
| He's an objectivist. | ||
| And he had wrote many books, looking out for number one, not to be intimidated, nothing happens unless something moves, action. | ||
| He talks about how to brand yourself. | ||
| He talks about how to be successful in business and life. | ||
| I was a trainer, it's what I still do now. | ||
| He was one of my mentors. | ||
| I don't know him in person, but I read his books. | ||
| I was part of his website, so I knew who he was. | ||
| So he got me into reading and read. | ||
| I didn't come to libertarianism through politics. | ||
| I came in through business. | ||
| I'm a business guy. | ||
| So, I was reading Atlas Shrugged because he said read Atlas Shrugged, not because some political guy did. | ||
| I didn't know who Ron Paul was, 2008. | ||
| I had no idea. | ||
| I wasn't political. | ||
| I was a business guy. | ||
| The only reason why I care about Obama is because he was so different, it got my attention. | ||
| So, again, I didn't really understand his policies, if that made any sense. | ||
| I just thought, he's different. | ||
| He's not them. | ||
| It can't be worse. | ||
| That was my thought process. | ||
| So, as I'm moving towards objectivism in that regard, I'm not an objectivist, and I've never been one, but some of the market ideas made sense to me. | ||
| The idea of Austrian economics made sense to me. | ||
| I didn't know it was Austrian economics, though, because I'd never read Friedman. | ||
| I'd never read those. | ||
| I didn't know. | ||
| I read Robert Ringer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he had told me what his views. | ||
| So I got everything secondhand through him. | ||
| So I was already teaching. | ||
| I was teaching post-industrial leadership. | ||
| I was teaching buy-in. | ||
| I was teaching sales is not about forcing someone to do something, getting them to do it. | ||
| I was teaching volunteerism, not knowing what it was called or what it was. | ||
| I was already doing it in my own business. | ||
| So anyway, I was having that change between 2004 and about 2010 anyway, that was happening already. | ||
| I was already changing my business model and doing it already. | ||
| After the crash hit, I had to jump into it a lot because I was crushing the crash. | ||
| The crash devastated me. | ||
| So anyway, I think Obama's great. | ||
| After the first year, I realized he's no different. | ||
| Again, I'm finished. | ||
| I'm like, it's over. | ||
| Until 2012, I hear Gary Johnson speak. | ||
| And people say, well, Gary Johnson, he's an awesome speaker. | ||
| No. | ||
| But he was a business guy. | ||
| I'm a business guy. | ||
| I could hear him. | ||
| I couldn't hear anyone else because I didn't care. | ||
| I could only hear the person who I was. | ||
| I identified with him. | ||
| Self-made man, growing a business. | ||
| I identified with Gary Johnson, and I still do. | ||
| And so when he decided to talk, I said, oh, I get it. | ||
| And I came to the party because of him. | ||
| But to be forward, I didn't join the party still right away. | ||
| I've never joined a party in my life. | ||
| I've never joined a party. | ||
| But at this point, I thought, you know what? | ||
| I'm going to go to the meetings. | ||
| I'd never been to a party meeting before. | ||
| And I went to the meetings. | ||
| And when I went to Libertarian party meetings, as odd as they were, and they are odd, it was still just regular people. | ||
| It wasn't crazies, it was regular people. | ||
| Business owners, people who wanted to see some change. | ||
| I identified quickly with them, and I joined. | ||
| So I joined the party in 2012, and that's when I became a Libertarian. | ||
| But when I joined the party, I hadn't read Bastiat. | ||
| I hadn't read, I didn't read any of them. | ||
| I didn't even know them. | ||
| So that's when I joined them, I began looking around, and then I read the law. | ||
| Still my favorite of all of them is Bastiat, it's my favorite. | ||
| That was the simplest and the one that I identified with the most. | ||
| Still my favorite. | ||
| But I read all the rest also, I began to read them, right? | ||
| I read the Road to Serfdom, I began to read those afterwards. | ||
| But they were easy for me to understand, and people, they'd tease me, they'd go, Larry, you've been in the movement so short a time, but you can talk with the principals. | ||
| I'd been teaching them for 14 years, but not under the name. | ||
| In a different world. | ||
| So it was very easy for me to adapt and to bring those things to bear. | ||
| So I voted for Gary Johnston in 2012, and I supported his candidacy completely in 2016. | ||
| I was running around doing debates in his stead. | ||
| I was on TV instead for him. | ||
| Anything he wanted, I would do. | ||
| So I jumped through hoops for him, because I wish he was our president now. | ||
| I wish he was. | ||
| So I don't wanna belabor the point with Gary. | ||
| I voted for Gary. | ||
| I did a video in the summer before the election of why it would be great to support him even though he wasn't a perfect candidate, et cetera, et cetera. | ||
| But he had a couple gaffes that were pretty bad. | ||
| And I also, I don't even blame him for them in a certain way because it was the only, to your point, it was the only way he could get press. | ||
| Like the only time they talked about him was Aleppo. | ||
| Or the other moment where he couldn't name a leader that he respected. | ||
| But the one policy point that really bothered me with him, and I don't know, maybe we don't see eye to eye on this, is that he wanted the baker to bake the cake. | ||
| Well, let me touch two of those things. | ||
| The first thing is, every problem that Gary Johnson had is fixed with good advisors. | ||
| Everyone. | ||
| Repaired with good advisors. | ||
| Every problem he had, you get him good advisors, fixed. | ||
| Clinton and Trump? | ||
| I don't care who you put in front of them. | ||
| It's irrelevant. | ||
| Whatever team you put in front of them, they have character flaws. | ||
| Johnson doesn't have that. | ||
| Just as a human being. | ||
| I'm telling you, I sat there with him for an hour and some time off camera and I thought, this is a decent human being. | ||
| So if I had a choice, I'd rather him be president now, without question of course. | ||
| But the second way is to bake the cake. | ||
| He didn't do a good job explaining what he really meant, and let me try to explain it to make it clearer. | ||
| He understood the cultural aspects of this, as do I as a person of color. | ||
| We've had literally decades, if not centuries, of state-sponsored segregation, punishment by gender, by race, by... | ||
| Sexual preference, that is still in the psyche of the American. | ||
| It feels terrible to do what is right. | ||
| If that makes any sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It feels terrible. | ||
| And while the person goes, but it's wrong, I get it. | ||
| Emotion and culture matter. | ||
| And what he was trying to get at, which is my policy here, is to find a good solid middle ground. | ||
| I do not want a baker to make a cake for someone he doesn't want to make a cake for. | ||
| That's his labor, having to do it for someone. | ||
| That's wrong, should never happen. | ||
| So here is Here is the good compromise. | ||
| If a baker or anyone, anyone creates a product and puts it into the retail market, whether that be online or on a shelf in a store, if a person creates a product and puts it there, he must allow anyone who has the currency that he wants to purchase that product. | ||
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| So far, I'm with you so far. | ||
| Now that, you could say, and purists will say, no Larry, he can say no to anyone. | ||
| So that would be the set of people who would like to go back and reverse this 64 Civil Liberties Act, right? | ||
| Yes, and I'm saying, just let... Now, if the person says, I want that cake off the shelf, and literally, you're Jewish, and he's a Nazi with a swastika on his arm, you must say, take it, you have the money, take my ticket, get out of here. | ||
| He then says, I now want you to put on it so-and-so. | ||
| No. | ||
| You can refuse that service because now that's not retail. | ||
| That's you doing a service for that individual. | ||
| You should absolutely be able to say, no, I will not put anything on that cake at all. | ||
| That's the way it is. | ||
| That's how I made it for anyone. | ||
| If you want it, take it. | ||
| That's not good enough for you. | ||
| Have a nice day. | ||
| That is my compromise, and I think that's what Gary Johnson actually meant to say. | ||
| Because if you heard the way he said it, and when I spoke to him about it, he understood what I was saying. | ||
| Ah, then I wish... Because I'm with you on what you just said there. | ||
| I'm with you. | ||
| And I try to defend him with that, but it didn't come across right. | ||
| And because for him to be forward, I'm going to defend him. | ||
| I defend him often. | ||
| It's emotional for him, so it didn't come across well. | ||
| It's emotional for me too. | ||
| I know what it's like. | ||
| I know personally what it's like to be ignored in a restaurant. | ||
| I know what that's like. | ||
| A lot of people don't. | ||
| It feels terrible. | ||
| Now, to be forward, I think that's a good compromise. | ||
| Okay, so I'm with you on that. | ||
| I'm glad you cleaned it up for yourself, and I'm glad you cleaned it up for Gary, because I feel kind of, because I know he's a decent guy, and I don't like giving him crap for it. | ||
| What would you say to the part of the libertarians that want to go that extra step, that say either the 64 Act should be repealed because we don't need these laws anymore, or that no, you just, even if it's just the same old product on your shelf, and you just don't like the way somebody looks, because you are a bigot, It's still your stuff, and what do you say to that? | ||
| They are theoretically correct and realistically wrong. | ||
| And if they don't accept the compromise, they're going to get worse. | ||
| This is the problem that a lot of the more hardcore libertarians don't understand. | ||
| Let me be clear. | ||
| I love them. | ||
| I want them in the party. | ||
| They are critical. | ||
| They are the backbone of the party. | ||
| They are our harshest and most powerful activists. | ||
| We need them. | ||
| And you believe that that's not based in bigotry? | ||
| At all! | ||
| And that's an important distinction. | ||
| It's based on righteousness. | ||
| And they're right! | ||
| The problem is... | ||
| If you don't take that first step, you will get nothing, but not just nothing. | ||
| Those people who keep voting are going to keep voting our rights away. | ||
| They do it every single year. | ||
| They keep voting our rights away as we accept everything or nothing. | ||
| It isn't nothing. | ||
| It's worse. | ||
| It's worse. | ||
| Give us the compromise that makes sense, they'll see the world doesn't end, they'll see there's not a zombie apocalypse, and then we can move to the next level. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that part of the problem of being sort of an outlier party? | ||
| Because the Libertarian Party that's existed for a long time and it's on all the ballots but never really breaks any major thresholds, that part of it is you get too caught up in the purity test. | ||
| Now all parties do in a way. | ||
| All do. | ||
| I think for the third parties, this may be a little trickier, and maybe for libertarians more than else, because if you're really basing it on the individual, the purity test is pretty freaking high, is what you're going to make that individual do. | ||
| No, but here's the issue. | ||
| Let me be very clear. | ||
| You look at Democratic Republicans now, they're not actually parties, they're tribes. | ||
| And I mean that literally, they're tribes. | ||
| You have whoever is the king of the tribe at the moment, the will of the king is the platform, right? | ||
| So, whatever Trump says, that's the platform, right? | ||
| Assuming that Bernie's still top of the Democrats, whoever he is, whoever it is, right? | ||
| Then that's the platform, whoever the person is. | ||
| That's the platform. | ||
| The platform is whoever is on top of the party, which is why they don't argue as much, which is why they close ranks so easily. | ||
| The Libertarian Party is different. | ||
| It actually has an ideology. | ||
| I can call myself King of Libertarians if I want to. | ||
| That's not going to go well at all. | ||
| And no one's going to buy it. | ||
| That's not going to work. | ||
| They want to change that language. | ||
| Yes, that is not going to work at all. | ||
| I can say it if I want to, so what? | ||
| I'll get laughed at at a party. | ||
| Because it's not about me, it's about our ideology, which is why we argue. | ||
| To be forward with you. | ||
| I'm happy we argue. | ||
| I am. | ||
| Because it makes us a better party. | ||
| It makes us clearer. | ||
| It actually makes policy easier for us. | ||
| Because we don't look at policy that, oh, this policy fits this. | ||
| No, it's based upon our ideology. | ||
| So I'm actually happy that we argue. | ||
| I wish we didn't argue so much so publicly. | ||
| That's the part that drives me crazy, that we do it so publicly, and that we fight so hard. | ||
| But I'm glad we have an ideology. | ||
| Again, I don't know that it's that you guys are doing it so publicly. | ||
| It's just that that's the only time that you're seen in public. | ||
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You know what I mean? | |
| That's true also. | ||
| It's a bit of an important distinction. | ||
| So would you say that the way you just described the cake situation is basically your view on government in general? | ||
| Because again, this is where you can go to a libertarian that really is an ad cap, or the people you described as the backbone, that basically you're sort of, I guess I would just, I mean, this is what I would say a classical liberal is, really. | ||
| It's just that where the rubber meets the road, you understand that there has to be some Is that sort of your guiding principle? | ||
| Look, my North Star is a full voluntary society. | ||
| That's my North Star. | ||
| I would love to have a total and fully voluntary society. | ||
| How do you define what that is? | ||
| Where government is involuntary. | ||
| That would be amazing. | ||
| But to be full with you, our nation is nowhere near that. | ||
| I mean, I might as well start asking, you know what I'd like? | ||
| I'd like a world where leprechauns ride unicorns. | ||
| At the moment, it's the same thing. | ||
| It just doesn't exist. | ||
| We're nowhere near there. | ||
| And one reason why I'm attacking New York State as hard as I am, campaigning so hard, is if we can just stop the bleeding, if we can just stop it from shifting left. | ||
| Right now, if you know, we're talking in New York State about giving teachers the right to tell law enforcement if a child is dangerous, so they can now confiscate that child's parents' guns. | ||
| We're talking about that now. | ||
| That's the new things about New York State. | ||
| We're going so far away, it's not even funny. | ||
| So to talk about this, it's imaginary. | ||
| I just want to turn it around. | ||
| Let me do that. | ||
| If I do that, we got a shot at getting there. | ||
| I probably will never see a voluntary society in my life. | ||
| I probably won't. | ||
| It'd be awesome if I could. | ||
| But can I turn us around so we're facing it at least? | ||
| That I can do. | ||
| That I can absolutely do, and I can do that in my lifetime. | ||
| I can do it in New York State. | ||
| I can do it in the country. | ||
| We can do that. | ||
| So with that in mind, and when you talk about the principles of the party, how do you generally decide what the right amount of government is then? | ||
| I mean, you want to be in the government, so the government has to do something. | ||
| Is it really just on a case-by-case basis of what's the latest touch? | ||
| Always. | ||
| It's always, okay. | ||
| Have you ever run for office? | ||
| Not yet. | ||
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| One of the reasons why it's so hard, there's many reasons why. | ||
| One is raising money, obviously. | ||
| The other one's time. | ||
| But the third one is understanding all the policies. | ||
| And when you begin to understand how much government intrudes in our life, it's depressing. | ||
| And I mean that truly. | ||
| Most people have no idea how much government intrudes in our life and how much it actually hurts. | ||
| It's depressing. | ||
| I have policy calls every week with my policy team. | ||
| We're on the phone usually anywhere from an hour to two hours every week discussing policy issues. | ||
| Sometimes I'm depressed when I'm done because it's so bad. | ||
| There's no good answer because government problem has been solved with government band-aid, which has been solved by government band-aid. | ||
| So if you pull off government band-aid, you have three more broken band-aids underneath it that sometimes make things worse. | ||
| Sometimes taking government off makes it worse because of three more band-aids that are all terrible. | ||
| Sometimes you have to just say, I can't touch that. | ||
| I just have to let it stay there. | ||
| And you have someone who goes, "But Larry, that's wrong. | ||
| They're righteous. That's evil. We have to stop it." | ||
| There are 3,000 things I have to fix. | ||
| Some I just can't put on my radar. | ||
| So, yes, it's always case by case. | ||
| To try to fix government is a herculean task that no one could do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you make of the states like New York that have gotten so away from the ideas, forget the policies, forget the 3,000 problems, right? | ||
| But just the basic ideas of why liberty and individualism and limited government and your own capacity to control your property and things of that nature. | ||
| The states that have gotten so far away from that. | ||
| I mean, I guess that's why you're running in the first place. | ||
| Yeah, it's culture. | ||
| People ask all the time. | ||
| They say, Larry, what are your first 100 days going to be like? | ||
| And what are you going to change? | ||
| They think I'm going to walk into New York State as governor and wave my magic wand or bring up my, I'm the king now! | ||
| Everything changes! | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| I wouldn't want to if I could, right? | ||
| I can't and I wouldn't want to if I could. | ||
| That kind of fast change makes people afraid. | ||
| Here's the reason, to be clear. | ||
| It's all about fear. | ||
| When people are afraid, they make bad decisions. | ||
| That's simply human nature. | ||
| Fear makes bad decisions. | ||
| Fear is the root of aggression. | ||
| Government, at the end of it, is law. | ||
| At the end of every law, there's a couple minor exceptions, but almost every law, at the end of every one, is a guy or a gal with a gun to put you in a cage. | ||
| Which means, by default, law is force. | ||
| Government is force. | ||
| Now, should we never use force? | ||
| No, no, you can use force. | ||
| Defend your rights, property, whoop, you can use force. | ||
| But when you are afraid, your first step is force. | ||
| So when you are afraid, your first step is government. | ||
| And that's what happens in the states like New York, California. | ||
| The first answer is government. | ||
| It's the old, there ought to be a law. | ||
| I don't like this. | ||
| There ought to be a law. | ||
| This is wrong. | ||
| There ought to be a law. | ||
| And that culture has been part of us for at least 50 years, if not more. | ||
| I mean, just decades upon decades, it's been that way. | ||
| I used to do the same thing. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Oh, someone's smoking in front of me. | ||
| There ought to be a law! | ||
| I used to think the same way until I was enlightened and go, oh no, that's a bad idea. | ||
| Why would I do that? | ||
| But I thought I was righteous. | ||
| And the thing that we have to remember is we also idealize the idea of democracy. | ||
| We idolize. | ||
| Well, we voted. | ||
| There's a law. | ||
| The story I love, I tell this all the time, I was speaking to an IP attorney, intellectual property attorney, and she was talking to me about intellectual property law. | ||
| And I'm making this up, I don't remember the actual rules, so she said something, and again, I'm not a lawyer, I'm gonna just say numbers so that we have some. | ||
| You know, copyright law is 95 years after the person's death. | ||
| It was something like that. | ||
| And I said, 95 years after their death? | ||
| She goes, yeah. | ||
| I said, what a terrible law. | ||
| It's horrible. | ||
| She said, yeah, but it's the law. | ||
| And I said, I know. | ||
| I'm not doubting that you're a lawyer. | ||
| I'm sure you know the law. | ||
| I'm sure that's true. | ||
| And it's a bad law. | ||
| She said, but Larry, you understand, we had to change our laws to match international law. | ||
| So now we match international law. | ||
| And I said, great. | ||
| That's a really bad international law. | ||
| She looked at me like, huh. | ||
| She was angry at me because in her eyes, law equals righteousness. | ||
| They're the same. | ||
| There's no difference. | ||
| International law equals extra righteousness. | ||
| It's just, it's amazing. | ||
| So she was mad at me because in her eyes, I was a heretic. | ||
| That's how she saw me. | ||
| Now, she didn't make the law. | ||
| It wasn't her idea. | ||
| She was not a congressperson who did it. | ||
| No, she's simply a priest of the law. | ||
| And I'm a heretic. | ||
| And she was mad at me. | ||
| Now you might think, well that's only lawyers. | ||
| Guy at the Department of Buildings in New York. | ||
| I'm talking to him. | ||
| This guy's educated, smart, credentialed. | ||
| I say to them, I say, I'm kind of curious about the landmarking law. | ||
| And if you may not know, landmarking in New York City is when you can actually, you know, kind of, a community can say this property is landmarked and now nothing can be done to that property unless the community agrees. | ||
| Lots of people want it. | ||
| They want to protect their community so they can't, developers can't come in. | ||
| They do it all the time. | ||
| Is that just for a building or is that actually, can it be for like a group of buildings or a park? | ||
| I think it's one building at a time. | ||
| I'm pretty sure it's one property at a time. | ||
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| But I'm sure they do it in groups. | ||
| But I think it's one property at a time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can also have that happen to you without you wanting. | ||
| The community can just landmark your property. | ||
| That can happen. | ||
| And it has happened a couple times. | ||
| So now the community landmarks your property. | ||
| So I told the guy, I said, how is that okay? | ||
| I don't understand how that works. | ||
| And the guy told me, Larry, it's the same law we use for when a building is condemned. | ||
| And I said, ah, that makes sense, right? | ||
| Condemning makes sense. | ||
| If a building collapses, thousands could die. | ||
| Totally makes sense. | ||
| I see a victim. | ||
| Got that law. | ||
| I'm in. | ||
| Good. | ||
| When it comes to landmarking, where's the victim? | ||
| He went, no, no, Larry, you don't understand. | ||
| It's the same law we use for condemning. | ||
| I said, I get that. | ||
| Totally get it. | ||
| Where's the victim? | ||
| Larry, it's the same law. | ||
| Because in his eyes, again, law equals righteousness. | ||
| This is a mindset we have for many Americans. | ||
| And we have to break that mindset. | ||
| The idea that just because it's a law doesn't make it righteous by default. | ||
| Lots of laws have been bad and been overturned and are wrong. | ||
| Lots of them are. | ||
| Law doesn't make it righteous. | ||
| But we say it. | ||
| Well, we voted. | ||
| Now it becomes okay now. | ||
| Great! | ||
| I vote, you give me all your stuff. | ||
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| I guess you have to give me all your stuff now. | ||
| You can't have all my stuff. | ||
| Well, there we go. | ||
| But I voted. | ||
| We got a problem. | ||
| I try to tell people when I go through New York State, I'm trying to change the concept of government. | ||
| Right now, government most of the time is just this. | ||
| It enforces the will of the majority. | ||
| I want government's primary purpose to be to instead defend the rights of the individual. | ||
| Specifically when you have localization from the local bullies who will pop up. | ||
| Because local bullies will always pop up. | ||
| But now, local bullies are validated by the big government because you voted. | ||
| So local bullies have more power than ever. | ||
| Instead, the state government should be defending the individual against local bullies, against eminent domain, against property tax hikes, against speeding tickets that are $405 for a speeding ticket. | ||
| We should be defending them against the local bullies, but we're not. | ||
| All right, so let's talk about some of the unique issues in New York, because although a lot of states have, you know, a big city and then a rural area, New York really has it. | ||
| And I remember growing up in New York where there were always, you know, I'd read Newsday was the Long Island paper, and they were always talking about the fights between New York City and And Albany, because we have this huge rural upstate area. | ||
| The upstate area right now is extremely economically depressed. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I went to SUNY Binghamton. | ||
| I know the area pretty well. | ||
| How do you deal with, as someone that wants to be the governor of the state, the chief executor of the state, how do you deal with having, what is it, something around like eight million people? | ||
| Eight and a half million people in New York City, 16 million in the metro area, if you include parts of Connecticut, parts of Jersey, Long Island, parts of Westchester County. | ||
| So it's about 16 million metro area. | ||
| New York City is the largest city in America, and by far. | ||
| It's over double LA. | ||
| LA's the second, and it's over double. | ||
| So it is by far the largest city in America. | ||
| There are more people in one of our boroughs than at least 10 states. | ||
| Just one of our boroughs. | ||
| There are more people in New York City than there are in 40 states. | ||
| That's how big we are. | ||
| We're massive. | ||
| But not just that. | ||
| New York City is very unique in that about one-third of its population is not born in the country, and about one-third is not born in the city. | ||
| So we are literally a magnet for talent. | ||
| Which is why, because we're a magnet for talent, and we have 60 million people who are possible candidates for customers, candidates for jobs, we can basically be a communist state and still function. | ||
| Right, because we have so many advantages. | ||
| Our advantages are so high, people say, how can you possibly work in New York City? | ||
| There's so many advantages. | ||
| And we have the massive advantage of finance. | ||
| I mean, finance is a massive part of New York City and Manhattan's infrastructure. | ||
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It's huge. | |
| So basically, the machine just keeps churning through people, through jobs, through everything else. | ||
| So the more you push out, the more you bring in. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So it just keeps happening. | ||
| The rest of New York State is not the way at all. | ||
| Western New York, Central New York, Northern Country, Southern Tier, Long Island. | ||
| Very different. | ||
| Different. | ||
| And one of the things I'm doing is I'm trying to show them something very important. | ||
| This has to come down to localization. | ||
| It's making governments smaller in general. | ||
| New York State has several problems. | ||
| As you talked about, the city from the rest, which is very different. | ||
| But also, 70% of New Yorkers don't vote. | ||
| In certain counties upstate, only one in seven vote. | ||
| They've given up. | ||
| They've just given up. | ||
| It's learned helplessness. | ||
| Right? | ||
| They've just totally given up. | ||
| And we have over 100,000 New Yorkers leaving our state every single year. | ||
| Over 100,000. | ||
| About a million in the last eight years. | ||
| Walking away. | ||
| Now, you say, oh my god, they're walking away. | ||
| New York City must be getting killed. | ||
| No! | ||
| New York City's population? | ||
| Same or higher. | ||
| All coming from upstate, western New York, all coming from Long Island, leaving. | ||
| It's youth flight. | ||
| All our young people are getting educated and leaving, or leaving and educating someplace else and not coming back. | ||
| Is that mostly a tax issue? | ||
| I'm sorry? | ||
| Is that mostly a tax issue or a job issue? | ||
| Not just that, it's everything. | ||
| It's high cost of living, no opportunities. | ||
| Those two things combined. | ||
| It can't change because we have a thing called unfunded mandates, and it is devastating our state. | ||
| And what does that mean? | ||
| That means in a given county, up to 95, sometimes over 100% of the budget is already mandated by Albany, our capital, or by D.C. | ||
| So who's running the county? | ||
| Someone else is. | ||
| Why show up? | ||
| We have local cities and towns where we don't have enough people to fill all the billets. | ||
| Four people show up. | ||
| Okay, I guess you're the chair, I'm the vice chair, you're the secretary, because we're here. | ||
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Right? | |
| And no one else shows up ever, unless they're angry. | ||
| So then angry people show up against them. | ||
| It, by default, becomes us versus them. | ||
| They go in their back room, create their edicts, and announce to the people. | ||
| And we have local tyrants. | ||
| But more importantly, how do I get anything done in my county when I have to buy all these things as mandated by the state and by the federal government? | ||
| I have to raise money somehow. | ||
| Only two ways. | ||
| There's a loophole in New York State when it comes to property taxes. | ||
| Every other tax has to be voted on by the people. | ||
| Property tax, no. | ||
| Only by the council. | ||
| So officially, our governor will tell you there's a 2% cap in property tax. | ||
| But there's an exception if it's an emergency. | ||
| So they go behind closed doors, declare an emergency, and raise property taxes 9%, 10%. | ||
| What if they count as an emergency? | ||
| I need money. | ||
| We don't have enough money. | ||
| The unfunded mandates go past our budget. | ||
| So two choices. | ||
| Option one is that, property taxes. | ||
| Option two, you use law enforcement as a profit center. | ||
| So now that parking ticket that was $100 is now $300. | ||
| Speeding ticket that was $50 is now $500. | ||
| It's so bad that a lot of places in New York State, they don't even want you to come to court anymore. | ||
| So when you get a bunch of tickets, they actually just sell the tickets off to a collect agency, get 30 cents on a dollar, and then ruin your credit. | ||
| Because they don't wanna waste your time bringing you in for court because you might not be able to pay. | ||
| They don't care if you pay. | ||
| They're actually getting the money from the collect agency. | ||
| So they get a bunch of tickets, collect agency gets it, you go to court whenever you want with them. | ||
| So, okay. | ||
| Hearing everything you just said there, that's like one of those things to me, that it makes so much sense. | ||
| It shows what the glut is, the middle management, corruption and greed and all that stuff. | ||
| Oh, I'm not even close to that part. | ||
| No, no, I know I can get there. | ||
| Well, let's just pause for one sec, though, because as you're saying it, I'm thinking, man, this is the type of stuff that I think if people really understood, they would be pissed about. | ||
| But it's like one of those things that as a candidate, explaining this to people and getting people to be like, yes, it is the backdoor deals at the, this is like one of those issues where it's not easy to put the bumper sticker on and get people to get excited about. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| I need to build that wall, I need whatever that thing is. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
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I need that. | |
| You need to build that wall. | ||
| Yeah, I need that. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so far, I've been using a new New York. | ||
| And save Main Street. | ||
| They've been working pretty well. | ||
| So I had a couple of those sayings. | ||
| We're seeing which one actually lands. | ||
| We're using those right now. | ||
| Seeing how they work. | ||
| But yeah, I mean, this is a big problem, right? | ||
| So of course people don't show up. | ||
| Of course people don't vote. | ||
| Nothing changes. | ||
| Right? | ||
| But here's another problem. | ||
| We have counties where you have one-third of the population on Medicaid, one-third on Medicare, and a dwindling population. | ||
| The tax burden going up. | ||
| New York State has a budget of about $170 billion. | ||
| And compared to California, I'm sure that's high score. | ||
| However, I'm going to compare that to another state, Florida. | ||
| Florida has more people than us. | ||
| Half the budget. | ||
| Now, the argument I always get is, but Larry, New Yorkers expect a certain amount of services, then why 100,000 is leaving every year and half of them are going to Florida? | ||
| So many New Yorkers are leaving our state that in the Carolinas, they have a name for us. | ||
| They call us halfbacks. | ||
| We're from Florida and halfway back. | ||
| So if we're in the Carolinas, we're called halfbacks. | ||
| I did not know that. | ||
| Yes, that's how common it is now. | ||
| Every time I do an event, I ask two questions. | ||
| Question number one, I say, how many people here are thinking about leaving New York? | ||
| Hands always go up. | ||
| And they look around like, wow, I thought it was only one. | ||
| No, half the room. | ||
| In every place I go, I go to a college, I go to a diner, I go to a VFW. | ||
| It doesn't matter where I go. | ||
| I go to American Legion. | ||
| I go someplace, boom, half the hands go up. | ||
| They're all ready to leave. | ||
| Most of them are somehow trapped. | ||
| Trapped because of kids, trapped because of job, trapped because their property's in the water. | ||
| They're trapped. | ||
| But as soon as they can get to that next level, They are gone. | ||
| Huge problem. | ||
| Second thing I ask all the time is, how many of you have not voted in the past two election cycles? | ||
| Hands always go up. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| It means I'm drawing the people in. | ||
| Because I want to talk about the most important piece here. | ||
| And that is, talk about impact, what to do, how do I win this thing? | ||
| This is a winnable race. | ||
| Six months ago, I wouldn't have said that. | ||
| Now I know. | ||
| This is at least a four-person race. | ||
| It's gonna be His Majesty King Cuomo. | ||
| He will be running, for sure. | ||
| The Communists, Howie Hawkins, will run for the Green Party. | ||
| The Sacrificial Lamb will run for Republicans, who cannot win, just fighting for second place. | ||
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Who is that even? | |
| Malinaro. | ||
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Okay. | |
| He's a downstate Republican. | ||
| They picked two downstate Republicans to run for governor instead of governor. | ||
| Clearly, they surrendered. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let's just get as much as we can from New York City and try to get second place. | ||
| They've surrendered. | ||
| And then me. | ||
| At least four. | ||
| It's possible the actor from Sex and the City, Nixon, will stay in. | ||
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| I don't know if she will. | ||
| After she loses to Cuomo, she may stay in or may not. | ||
| So it's maybe. | ||
| And then maybe someone else, a minor out of Syracuse, may run as independent. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| I could have six, but at least four. | ||
| New York State's a plurality state. | ||
| It means all I need is more than the rest. | ||
| There are about 18 million, 19 million New Yorkers. | ||
| About 12 million eligible to vote. | ||
| Only about four to five million ever vote. | ||
| 1.5 million votes, I'm the governor. | ||
| 30%, I'm the governor. | ||
| Larry, that's huge. | ||
| It is, but Gary Johnson got 175,000 votes in my state in 2016. | ||
| He was there for five minutes. | ||
| He showed up, waved, and walked away. | ||
| And there was 175,000 people who said, I'm so sick and tired, I'll vote for Gary Johnson. | ||
| I'll do it, I'll do it, I'll do it! | ||
| I live in this state. | ||
| I campaign in this state. | ||
| I've raised more money than everyone except for the governor. | ||
| You're telling me I can't get ten times that? | ||
| Five times that even? | ||
| Of course I can! | ||
| But more importantly, there are three types of people I have to get. | ||
| Three types. | ||
| Number one, unhappy Democratic Republicans. | ||
| Tons of them. | ||
| Ain't no shortage. | ||
| But they're not my number one, because many of them will still go back to their old ways. | ||
| Because most people who vote often usually vote because of fear, not because of hope. | ||
| They're still afraid the other guy might win, that most of them are still going to go back to their old ways. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| But some of them won't. | ||
| I'll take whatever I can get. | ||
| But the next one is the single-issue voter. | ||
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The person who cares about only one thing and one thing only. | |
| I bring up many of these issues. | ||
| The vaping industry, right? | ||
| In New York State, they're trying to crush the vaping industry. | ||
| I don't know why they can't stand it. | ||
| Trying to destroy the vaping industry. | ||
| Silly! | ||
| Why would you? | ||
| Well, if you're a vaper, That's important to you. | ||
| If you own a vape shop, that's your livelihood. | ||
| I could be saying, I want to support the vape industry and kick puppies in the streets. | ||
| Fine with the puppy thing. | ||
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Just vapes. | |
| That's what they care about. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's all. | ||
| So issues like that, right? | ||
| People who, father's rights. | ||
| People who have been crushed by family law. | ||
| I have an entire policy for fixing the family court system. | ||
| Has to be completely revamped. | ||
| There are fathers, at least a million, who've been crushed and destroyed by the family court system in New York State. | ||
| I mean, just devastated. | ||
| They have higher suicide rates, they've abandoned their families, they're in jail. | ||
| Horribleness, right? | ||
| These people care about that issue. | ||
| I will fix family law. | ||
| I'm the only one supporting the baby industry, the only one talking about family law. | ||
| These people vote for me because that's what they care about. | ||
| People who in New York State who've gotten DUIs, three DUIs or more, and they lose their license in perpetuity no matter what. | ||
| There are some people who've paid their time in jail, Done parole. | ||
| And have been clean for five years. | ||
| Clean. | ||
| You've straightened your life out. | ||
| You've done your time. | ||
| You've paid your time in jail and your parole. | ||
| Never get a license back. | ||
| And if they leave New York State, then the other state won't give them a license because it was revoked. | ||
| They may never drive again. | ||
| Yeah, you're not giving them a chance to be a functioning member of society. | ||
| They can't! | ||
| That has to go. | ||
| And people say, but Larry, why would you support these industries? | ||
| We're number one on these issues. | ||
| Why? | ||
| It's right, I'm libertarian. | ||
| That's what we do. | ||
| I am righteous, of course I am. | ||
| Libertarians always, and it's the thing most of them don't get. | ||
| Libertarians always have the moral high ground. | ||
| Always. | ||
| They act like we don't, but we always do. | ||
| I know that. | ||
| So I take the moral high ground. | ||
| It's mine, I own it. | ||
| So I take it. | ||
| And it's right. | ||
| I'm in a pocket of big DUI? | ||
| I'm in a pocket of big vaping? | ||
| Of course not, right? | ||
| It shows people that I care, that it makes sense, and they know that when I get into power, I'm still gonna support these people. | ||
| I'm not in it for the money. | ||
| These people vote. | ||
| Tons of these issues, they will jump on board and they will vote. | ||
| But more than that, there are 8 million New Yorkers who don't vote. | ||
| They vote because of hope. | ||
| Bernie taught us this and Trump taught us this. | ||
| Trump gave the right hope, Bernie gave the left hope. | ||
| Now if the Democratic Party wasn't so broken, Bernie would have been the nominee. | ||
| And it would have been hope versus hope. | ||
| And hope won. | ||
| I think you mean corrupt. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I don't know if it's broken or corrupt. | ||
| I think it was intentional, I'm pretty sure. | ||
| Both, either. | ||
| But it would have been Hope vs. Hope. | ||
| Hope won. | ||
| Hope gets people out of their bed, stop playing video games, and show up. | ||
| How do you make that happen? | ||
| By having events. | ||
| I'm doing events all the time. | ||
| People are showing up to my events who didn't vote, which means they will show up at the polling booth. | ||
| Trump and Bernie told us this. | ||
| I'm copying them. | ||
| It's working. | ||
| Look, look what got you here. | ||
| I mean, your guys, I started seeing it more and more and more on Twitter. | ||
| Next thing I know, I think you tweeted at me or one of your guys tweeted at me, and we made it happen. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I'll have Cuomo on, but guess what? | ||
| But here's the next four pieces. | ||
| Now, if I just get 10% of the $8 million, $800,000, I'm halfway there. | ||
| Plus what I'll pick up, I'm the governor. | ||
| I get 20%, it's a blowout. | ||
| This is a winnable race. | ||
| There are four arenas anyone has to win on to get elected. | ||
| Four. | ||
| First one is social media. | ||
| Six months ago I would have thought I could never win because Cuomo has so much more money than I have. | ||
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| I thought no way I could win. | ||
| But his social media is incompetent. | ||
| We are winning on social media and this is proof of it. | ||
| We are killing it on social media. | ||
| We are winning hands down. | ||
| But that's just one. | ||
| The second one is traditional media. | ||
| This one I struggle in. | ||
| Traditional media is tough for me. | ||
| They go for the popular, Cynthia Nixon is popular, or the governor. | ||
| They go with the tried and true. | ||
| It's hard to get it. | ||
| And I live in New York City. | ||
| New York City, something's always going on. | ||
| Tough to get coverage. | ||
| So to get around that, I've been going upstate, west of New York, smaller towns, where they have two choices, right? | ||
| Some guy lost his cow, or Larry Sharpe's coming to town! | ||
| That's Larry Sharpe! | ||
| So, I've been doing that, so I get a lot of local media. | ||
| But I've also learned that local media also often overlaps. | ||
| They also have social media presence. | ||
| Some of the writers are shared among different papers. | ||
| So, I'm getting a lot of press in the local paper. | ||
| So, I'm doing better traditional media. | ||
| I don't know if I can actually win it. | ||
| Maybe not. | ||
| But that's one issue that I'm fighting on. | ||
| I'm trying new tactics to win on that one. | ||
| The next one's events, as I talked about. | ||
| Right now, no one else is doing events. | ||
| I'm the only one doing that. | ||
| I'm the only one out shaking hands and kissing babies and meeting people and I'm winning events like there's no tomorrow. | ||
| I'm winning in events right now. | ||
| The issue is they will eventually begin doing events. | ||
| When they do, will I have ramped up to speed or not? | ||
| So I'm questionable on those two. | ||
| The last one's debates. | ||
| If you see me debate, I have no problem debating. | ||
| I will crush them on debates. | ||
| So I will win social media and debates. | ||
| The question is, can I win traditional media and or events? | ||
| If I win three out of four, I'm the governor. | ||
| Now you said a key if there, which was if debates. | ||
| What's the debate situation in New York? | ||
| No, the odds are always in debates, because traditionally, four are always in debates. | ||
| They were in 2014, 2010. | ||
| Traditionally, they are. | ||
| It'll be Libertarian, Green, Democrat, Republican. | ||
| So odds are in debates. | ||
| Odds are very high. | ||
| And they keep you in the debate regardless of polling after that? | ||
| Once you're in, it's four all the way across. | ||
| But they probably only do, what, two or three maybe? | ||
| They do one debate only. | ||
| Oh, that's it? | ||
| One debate in October. | ||
| One in October, that's all. | ||
| Man, so that's like the show-up? | ||
| That's it! | ||
| Win, lose, or draw right there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't mind. | ||
| I like the odds like that. | ||
| It's a good odds. | ||
| What kind of support are you getting from the party itself? | ||
| Oh, as good as it can be. | ||
| I mean, look, it's New York state libertarians. | ||
| There aren't that many of them. | ||
| It's a small party. | ||
| There are 62 counties in New York. | ||
| We have about 20 affiliates. | ||
| So we have 42 counties that don't even have affiliates. | ||
| So it's not a powerful party across the state. | ||
| We're not even officially a party. | ||
| We're officially a committee. | ||
| So yes, but the party is 100% behind me, 100%. | ||
| There isn't that much there. | ||
| What they can do, they are doing. | ||
| I'm very happy with what they're doing. | ||
| I wish I had a bigger party. | ||
| I wish I had more bodies. | ||
| I do, I wish I had more bodies. | ||
| But luckily, we are, and we're getting more. | ||
| People from other states are coming also. | ||
| Other people are joining. | ||
| And for the first time now, people are now coming to the party because of me. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Most people who joined me before came to the party because of someone else. | ||
| Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, Harry Brown. | ||
| And then sold my candidacy and jumped on board. | ||
| But now that I've been so active for so many months in New York State, some people are now coming to the party because of me. | ||
| Those people are now building up our group of activists. | ||
| So I am getting more and more. | ||
| Again, what I'm getting from the people is amazing. | ||
| I do need more of them though. | ||
| So we are getting there. | ||
| Do you sense that there's a rebirth of liberty in this country in general? | ||
| I mean, I can tell from when I'm out now on the road and touring and the response I get to this show and the amount of emails I get on Twitter, that people are talking about liberty again. | ||
| They're talking about, it's not just the Tea Party anymore, talking about liberty. | ||
| You talk about liberty, you talk about freedom, you talk about the founding documents. | ||
| People are actually reinvigorated about this stuff. | ||
| What moves people is two things. | ||
| One, they feel like things are so broken. | ||
| And then two, someone gives them hope. | ||
| Revolutions, as they say in Star Wars, are built on hope. | ||
| They are. | ||
| It's true, right? | ||
| The Russians stayed, what, 300 years being oppressed, whatever it was, 400 years being oppressed as peasants and serfs until there was some hope. | ||
| Then the communists gave them hope. | ||
| And they revolted. | ||
| It has to be hope. | ||
| But it wasn't the communists. | ||
| Communism had been around for a bit. | ||
| It was Lenin. | ||
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| It was an individual. | ||
| People bring people to revolutions. | ||
| People give other people hope. | ||
| We're finding better messengers now than we ever had. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not just Ron Paul. | ||
| Right? | ||
| It's a lot of us are doing this. | ||
| And I'm hoping, if you've seen my campaign, I'm doing my best. | ||
| Half of my team is not in New York. | ||
| That's on purpose. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| That's on purpose. | ||
| Because I want to make sure that I have seven directors, and about 50 active volunteers, and about 200 in the wings. | ||
| And I'm purposely doing that because I want people to be able to grow that infrastructure. | ||
| So that in 2020, we have seven campaign managers. | ||
| Active campaign, who run a real campaign, who know how to do things like this, who know how to make things work. | ||
| Libertarian Party does not have the infrastructure we need it. | ||
| If we have better infrastructure, we'll have more people like me who want to do this, right? | ||
| People don't run because they have to run by themselves. | ||
| It's not infrastructure. | ||
| But now I can say, no, no, here's your team. | ||
| better people will run. | ||
| And they'll run better candidacies, they'll run better campaigns. | ||
| And when they do that, more people will see them. | ||
| We'll bring more people to the movement. | ||
| I think there is a rise, but it's because we're having better candidates. | ||
| Yeah, are you tracking Austin Peterson out in Missouri? | ||
| I'm a fan. | ||
| He's been here, we're friends. | ||
| I think he's doing great work. | ||
| Last I saw a poll just in the last couple weeks, I mean, it looks like he's beaten McCaskill. | ||
| I think that's one of the type of ones, and potentially yours as well, that I agree with you in that, for sure. | ||
| That it's like, man, if one of these guys breaks through... I just wish he'd put an L by his name. | ||
| So I think he had, well, I think he, you know, he definitely is a Libertarian. | ||
| There's no doubt about that. | ||
| I think he had a- No, I'm a fan, yes! | ||
| I'm a Libertarian forward. | ||
| I'm on record. | ||
| I was probably the only guy in the Libertarian leadership who said, please stay. | ||
| I openly, I called him, I wanted him to stay. | ||
| I wanted him to stay. | ||
| And what did he say to that? | ||
| Was it just real politics? | ||
| He was telling the truth. | ||
| He's like, look, everyone's telling me to go Republican. | ||
| You're like one of the only guys telling me to go Libertarian. | ||
| I was one of the only guys, it's true. | ||
| So at the end of the day- I still wanted to be Libertarian. | ||
| But at the end of the day, You still want him to win. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| Clearly. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Of course I want him to win! | ||
| I can't tell how you feel. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Of course I want him to win! | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Would I rather have him on McCaskill in the Senate? | ||
| It's not even close. | ||
| I mean, there's, not even close. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| Of course I want him to win. | ||
| I don't want McCaskill to win, of course. | ||
| Of course I want him to win, yes. | ||
| I'm just saying, look, I'm selfish. | ||
| I'd rather Mevanel buy his name. | ||
| But I'll take him in the RLC. | ||
| I'll deal with him in the RLC. | ||
| So I'll tell you one of my fears about what could potentially happen with the libertarians, because I do, you can see, I'm with you on so much of this stuff. | ||
| And even though, again, as I call myself a classical liberal, there's plenty of room for agreement here, okay? | ||
| Great. | ||
| And where there might be little disagreement, That's rich, right? | ||
| I love it. | ||
| That's a great place to do it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What I'm a little concerned about is that the movement of Liberty is gonna grow and grow and grow. | ||
| It's gonna do real nice. | ||
| You'll probably do pretty well. | ||
| If not win, you'll do pretty well. | ||
| Austin, if not win, will do pretty well. | ||
| I think there were a couple other candidates around that are gonna do pretty well. | ||
| And then it will grow into something that nationally, come 2020, is gonna be... | ||
| I agree. | ||
| actually more viable than it was even under Gary Johnson. | ||
| They'll get someone that's probably younger and more tech savvy and whatever, | ||
| it'll be someone kinda cool, and that they're gonna then take like, | ||
| they're gonna pull at some unheard of number for libertarians at a national level, something like 15%. | ||
| And we're gonna win electoral votes in 2020. | ||
| So all good so far. - In 2020. | ||
| In 2020, we are going to win electoral votes. | ||
| So I'm with you, and I agree, but do you see why I see the danger there too? | ||
| What's the danger? | ||
| The oncoming danger would be that you'd be pulling all of those votes from the right, and that you end up helping. | ||
| No, no, this is not a defense of the right, and I got what you're gonna do here. | ||
| That'd be horrible! | ||
| But what if you then end up with some seriously extreme lefty... Good! | ||
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| Yeah? | ||
| Good! | ||
| Sell me on this. | ||
| Let me be very clear. | ||
| We have two choices. | ||
| Option one. | ||
| Stay in this slow road to oblivion, which is where we're going now. | ||
| Or, shake things up and get something to happen. | ||
| Someone asked me the other night. | ||
| I was at an event. | ||
| I was at a... | ||
| A sportsman's event of the night in Suffolk County last night. | ||
| And the guy said, well, Larry, what if you, you know, take a lot from the Republican? | ||
| I said, I hope I tear him to pieces. | ||
| I hope I beat, I hope he gets 5%. | ||
| Oh my God, what happened? | ||
| Then Republicans will learn their lesson and have to be Republicans. | ||
| They can't be Democrat like me more. | ||
| Good. | ||
| I hope, I hope that happens. | ||
| Let it happen, I don't care. | ||
| Oh, the Democrats get killed. | ||
| Get that smashed. | ||
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| Maybe they'll have to care about civil liberties. | ||
| If libertarians do well, regardless of who's crushed, whoever gets crushed, their lesson has to be learned, or they disappear. | ||
| They disappear, we replace them. | ||
| Awesome! | ||
| They don't disappear, they get better. | ||
| There's nothing but good in us crushing either side or both. | ||
| If we demonstrate Republicans, so what? | ||
| They'll be better Republicans. | ||
| If we demonstrate Democrats, so what? | ||
| They'll be better Democrats. | ||
| Doesn't matter. | ||
| Yeah, I guess it's the hammer that you ultimately need. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| My fear would be that then, because I believe the left has gone so far left, that the idea of potentially helping them put in policies that would be 180 degrees from everything you just said there, that would put in all the de Blasio stuff that you hate in New York City and all that, that I would really, really fear that. | ||
| But you just view it as almost a necessary evil to- I'm looking at it myself now! | ||
| You're assuming that when this happens, people jump on board. | ||
| They don't. | ||
| They give up. | ||
| New York is an example of that. | ||
| 70% don't vote. | ||
| The people don't actually like these ideas. | ||
| They've given up. | ||
| They think there's no hope. | ||
| So they've given up. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| Here comes Mr. Hope. | ||
| This opens the door for me. | ||
| So, it happens, and 2020, Libertarians are amazing, and we crushed the right. | ||
| It does happen, and there's, whatever, Bernie is the president, or whatever the case may be. | ||
| All the people have no hope. | ||
| When 2022 comes around for the Senate races and for the House races, you will watch Libertarians say, see what happened? | ||
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Hope. | |
| And you will watch us sweep into power in 2022. | ||
| And then 2024, boom, you'll watch the presidency. | ||
| Good, good. | ||
| And Democrats will be afraid or they won't. | ||
| They'll either think, we know everything, and they'll also hit Hillary. | ||
| We know everything and Trump beat them. | ||
| Or they'll change. | ||
| Either way, it's a win. | ||
| I have no worries. | ||
| Yes, I hope you're right. | ||
| I don't care which one happens. | ||
| Crush them both, crush either, it's irrelevant. | ||
| It's the right answer. | ||
| It's the only way you make the change. | ||
| Whenever you have to have positive change, there has to be some disruption. | ||
| And we're afraid of disruption. | ||
| We can't. | ||
| Let's just let people know there will be disruption, let's hold their hand through it, and boom, the other side's awesome. | ||
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| All right, let's just knock out a couple policies, and then I send you back to New York to get cracking, man. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I have work to do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, so I think on the drug stuff, marijuana, you're for legalization, correct? | ||
| Not just legalization of marijuana, but also hemp. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I want it to be regulated, as I say this all the time, for farmers like onions. | ||
| I don't want to write new rules and regulations that will take forever. | ||
| I want us to take onions, cut and paste, hemp, marijuana, go! | ||
| And the reason why I want that is our farmers in New York State are struggling desperately. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So why don't I allow them if they want to to grow hemp, to grow marijuana, if they want to, enjoy, go ahead, do what they want. | ||
| But not just that. | ||
| People talk about marijuana and cannabis products as being expensive and taxed. | ||
| If it's regular like onions, grow it in your backyard. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Grow it in your backyard. | ||
| Well, Larry, how do we sell it? | ||
| We gotta tax the hell out of it. | ||
| No, then we create a black market, which is what we have now. | ||
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| Officially, you can get medical marijuana in New York. | ||
| Officially, you can. | ||
| One place in New York City and a massive black market. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So instead, like a health food store. | ||
| Sell it like you do in a health food store. | ||
| But Larry, there's a regulation. | ||
| There's no regulation in health food stores either. | ||
| Where are all the deaths from all the health food stores? | ||
| Well, GNC deaths or whatever. | ||
| Where are all the deaths? | ||
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| I think I once OD'd on creatine. | ||
| Maybe once. | ||
| There we go, yes. | ||
| I heard it hitting the gym a long time ago. | ||
| So, the FDA has killed far more people than every health food store ever created. | ||
| So, bring it like that. | ||
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So, it's fine. | |
| Put a thing. | ||
| Not regulated by FDA. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Do what you want. | ||
| Let's just do a couple other hot button ones. | ||
| So, guns. | ||
| Where you at? | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| Well, yeah, I know, if people in New York City itself want far more regulations. | ||
| Ah, thank you, that's fine. | ||
| In New York State, we have the Safe Act, and it's a big deal in New York State, you may or may not know it. | ||
| The Safe Act came out after Sandy Hook, and it basically made a bunch of equipment illegal. | ||
| So it made a bunch of people who own firearms legally criminals overnight. | ||
| And now they put you in jail. | ||
| And not just that, if you have a magazine, if I remember the rule right, if your magazine can fit 11 rounds in it, You are now a violent felon, according to New York State law. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Violent felon. | ||
| That's how bad it is. | ||
| The safe act is terrible. | ||
| And now we're talking about the idea of taking guns for people. | ||
| As I told you, the children in school, if the teacher says that the child is a problem child, they can go take your guns. | ||
| If you are mentally ill, they can take your guns. | ||
| And New York State includes if you're transgendered. | ||
| So you don't get to have guns if you're transgender in New York State. | ||
| I mean, it's embarrassing how bad this thing is. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| That has to be repealed. | ||
| I can't repeal the law. | ||
| I'm only the governor. | ||
| So what I can do is I can begin to pardon people who were convicted of it. | ||
| About a thousand people in New York State have been convicted of safe act crimes. | ||
| Uh, infringements. | ||
| About a thousand. | ||
| I'll begin pardoning them within the first nine days. | ||
| So we have people in jail in New York right now who were doing something completely legally, the law changed, and then they were put in jail? | ||
| That is correct. | ||
| That is incredible. | ||
| Yes, that's correct. | ||
| And it's guns, therefore it's evil. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Remember how New York State works? | ||
| New York State works, it's evil, hit it with a stick. | ||
| That's our first, always first reaction. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Hit him with a stick. | ||
| That's what we do. | ||
| So yes, that's true. | ||
| I actually met, in James' time, the first guy who got a first conviction. | ||
| He's a now three-time convicted felon, I think, if I'm not mistaken. | ||
| So I'll begin pardoning. | ||
| When I start to pardon, that will let people know I'm serious. | ||
| Stop. | ||
| Now, what's going to happen when I pardon? | ||
| The reason why people don't pardon early is because of what's going to happen. | ||
| When I pardon 100 people, one of them is going to do something stupid. | ||
| They're going to go rob a liquor store or steal a car or whatever. | ||
| Do something bad. | ||
| Beat their spouse. | ||
| Insert thing here. | ||
| What are they going to do? | ||
| I get it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And when it happens, they're going to blame me. | ||
| They're going to say, Governor Sharpe, you're an evil guy. | ||
| This liquor store got robbed because you let a guy out because he was a violent felon. | ||
| And I'm going to say several things. | ||
| Number one, I don't care. | ||
| When I win, everyone's gonna hate me. | ||
| I'm gonna be attacked every day by the Assembly, every day by the Senate, every day by the press. | ||
| I'm gonna have an Assembly and a Senate that's completely against me. | ||
| That's one of a bazillion things. | ||
| I won't care. | ||
| But not just that. | ||
| Yes, one guy did something wrong. | ||
| Put that guy in jail for that. | ||
| 99 people didn't. | ||
| And they got off. | ||
| And our nation was built on the idea that it would be better for a guilty person to go free than an innocent person to be imprisoned. | ||
| Well, get 99 out! | ||
| I'm okay with that. | ||
| And when I do that, the Assembly will see that I will take the heat for them. | ||
| And when they see that in 2019, they'll repeal in 2020 because I've given them the air cover. | ||
| And on top of that, I'm going to veto any bill that has any safe act enforcement funding. | ||
| Gone! | ||
| They won't bother putting it in because I'll veto it and they will now have to double down on it as a separate piece that will crush them on the right. | ||
| They won't do it. | ||
| So that means it will not be enforced. | ||
| And I will actually be imparting people as they get arrested. | ||
| Prosecutors love an easy conviction. | ||
| Cops hate it. | ||
| The cops will love that I'm not enforcing it anymore and they will happily not enforce it. | ||
| It becomes useless in 2019, gets repealed in 2020. | ||
| By the way, I copied the same model for marijuana laws. | ||
| Same model. | ||
| Same thing, begin to pardon people who are convicted of non-violent marijuana possessions, stop enforcing it, same idea, same concept, they see how it works, 2020 repealed. | ||
| Yeah, it's just incredible. | ||
| And I follow, that's by the way, the veto and that model is the Gary Johnson model. | ||
| All right, give me one more thing that's an important issue to you before we wrap. | ||
| There's tons of them, but those are good. | ||
| I mentioned the other one, the vaping, the DUIs. | ||
| I mentioned that also. | ||
| Also, the biggest idea, though, of all of them, is the unfunded mandates. | ||
| We have to localize government. | ||
| If we take away the unfunded mandates, now individual counties can decide and vote on what they want. | ||
| People will say the same thing. | ||
| But Larry, If that happens, then I won't get what I want. | ||
| No, you can. | ||
| Just show up and vote for it. | ||
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| If you like what your county's doing, don't change a thing. | ||
| Show up, vote yes on everything, and you're good. | ||
| But if you don't, you can change it. | ||
| That's really the key to libertarianism. | ||
| You might have to be involved in your own life. | ||
| You might have to show up and talk to your neighbor and tell them why you care about a certain policy or issue. | ||
| You might have to care about stuff. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But Larry, can't someone else do it? | ||
| They couldn't. | ||
| They're doing it now and it's failing. | ||
| The other thing is they say all the time, but Larry, dead counties will make errors. | ||
| They'll make mistakes and fail. | ||
| Yes, but we're all failing now. | ||
| The state's bleeding to death. | ||
| I want to follow the Google model. | ||
| The Google model says 20% of your time can be used on whatever you want as long as you're transparent and tell everybody else what you're doing. | ||
| Counties, do what you want. | ||
| Vote however you want to vote. | ||
| But transparency, everyone must see what's happening. | ||
| We do that, what happens? | ||
| Some fail, some succeed. | ||
| But we then learn what works and what doesn't. | ||
| We shift and adjust. | ||
| Regions will figure out what works for each region. | ||
| And we'll actually have improvement. | ||
| This is disruption that happens before you have success. | ||
| This happens in business. | ||
| This happens in everything. | ||
| It happens in life. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| So we do that. | ||
| We become a sharing state. | ||
| Sharing economy. | ||
| We change how things work. | ||
| Be it on top of that. | ||
| That's one part. | ||
| The second aspect you do is you add what's called a charitable choice credit for your taxes. | ||
| What that is is $250. | ||
| That would be your tax money going to the taxman anyway. | ||
| You have a choice. | ||
| You can give it to a non-profit if you want to. | ||
| If you want to. | ||
| It's going out of your pocket anyway. | ||
| If you want to go to a non-profit, you can. | ||
| Plus another $250 in your own county. | ||
| So $500 of your own money into your own county. | ||
| For the sake of argument in this area, there are 40,000 people who pay taxes. | ||
| That's $2 million possible dollars. | ||
| Voluntary. | ||
| If you want to do it, do it. | ||
| Again, if you like your government, don't change it. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| You're good. | ||
| You like it. | ||
| But say you think there's a better way for childcare, besides the only government monopoly, which is a disaster. | ||
| Maybe there's a better way for cleaning the roads, which the government is a disaster. | ||
| There's a better way. | ||
| A private company now can lobby you, not the government, because you give the money. | ||
| And the more money you give, the less corruption there is. | ||
| Yeah, I love that. | ||
| The more transparency there is, less corruption there is. | ||
| It allows the actual counties to begin to privatize as they want. | ||
| As they see it work, they can make that more or less or shift. | ||
| This is the beginning part I'm talking about. | ||
| Showing them that there's other ways of getting things done besides government. | ||
| And it's not a zombie apocalypse. | ||
| On top of that, how do I also raise money? | ||
| Well, what is the libertarian response to the zombie apocalypse? | ||
| I don't know, I guess guns. | ||
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| So, there's another way of raising money also, which I've been bringing up also, and that is naming rights on infrastructure, right? | ||
| The MTA just in New York City has over 12 bridges and tunnels. | ||
| And right now what we've done in New York City is we've named one of our bridges after the Cuomo family. | ||
| It's called the Marocomo Bridge. | ||
| Which bridge is that? | ||
| It was the Tappan Zee Bridge. | ||
| It was Tappan Zee, okay. | ||
| Now it is. | ||
| Now it's the Imperial Bridge of the Imperial family. | ||
| So, now that has to go. | ||
| Instead, let's lease out naming rights. | ||
| Could be the Verizon Bridge, the Sprint Bridge, the Staples Bridge, the Home Depot Bridge. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| You pick the person who wants it, right? | ||
| The company who wants it. | ||
| Now, they do this already for stadiums. | ||
| They pay $10, $20, $30 million a year for something used half a year. | ||
| This is a bridge that gets used every day. | ||
| Your name gets mentioned a hundred times at least every morning and afternoon during rush hour on every radio station in a 16 million person metro area. | ||
| You're telling me companies that pay literally billions of dollars in marketing every year won't drop a hundred million dollars on a bridge? | ||
| But here's the rule. | ||
| No tolls. | ||
| Actual break for people. | ||
| And they control maintenance. | ||
| If they control maintenance, guess what? | ||
| No more corruption in the maintenance industry anymore. | ||
| Because now Sprint's paying for it, not the government. | ||
| No more closing lanes at the GW? | ||
| No more closing lanes at the GW bridge. | ||
| Goes away. | ||
| Sprint's not gonna put up with it. | ||
| There's potholes? | ||
| Sprint's not gonna put up with it. | ||
| They'll fire you or sue you. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| These are different ideas that people do. | ||
| We have an Erie Canal in New York State. | ||
| It's about 500 and some odd miles of Erie Canal. | ||
| We can name the locks. | ||
| It's about three dozen locks. | ||
| Name the locks. | ||
| All different ideas. | ||
| There's so many ways of raising money and changing how we look at this. | ||
| And they're not perfect by any means. | ||
| But there are conversations we need to be having to ship this idea that the only way to civilization is taxation. | ||
| It isn't the only way. | ||
| It's a way. | ||
| It's not the only way. | ||
| There are other options available, and people just don't get it. | ||
| You open this up. | ||
| Everybody's like this the whole time. | ||
| They love it. | ||
| They eat it up. | ||
| People go, oh, that's a good idea. | ||
| I like that idea. | ||
| Oh, let me try that. | ||
| Some of it's going to be tried. | ||
| This is what we want to do. | ||
| We shift the way New York State runs, and the rest of the nation will follow. | ||
| If I just beat the Republican, everyone will hear what I have to say. | ||
| I've been in every TV show in the country. | ||
| They will hear what I have to say. | ||
| They'll hear this. | ||
| They'll start telling their people. | ||
| They'll start copying. | ||
| This campaign has the most possibility for impact than any other campaign in 2018. | ||
| And here's what I promise you. | ||
| If I raise $2 million, I'm the governor. | ||
| It's that simple. | ||
| $2 million, I'm the governor. | ||
| Done. | ||
| Well, I've enjoyed this conversation. | ||
| I think you got the right set of ideas, and I look forward to seeing what happens. | ||
| Good. | ||
| And now I'm going to send people to your website, because I assume you've got to donate. | ||
| I do, of course. | ||
| LarrySharp.com. | ||
| Larry Sharp with an E. The E stands for electable. | ||
| Now I know you're really running, because you even pimped out the website for yourself. | ||
| Absolutely. |
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