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It's a Vibe with Berry Gordy IV | The Roseanne Barr Podcast #82

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	You know, I'm trying to come up with a new thing besides my old one, which was always greetings, earthlings.
	I think I'll just stick with greetings, earthlings.
	I love it.
	You talk about animals.
	That's what we are.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I know.
	I love that.
	Because I'm saying they are so much more advanced spiritually than us because they don't have to bullshit themselves or lie or try to get one over on the other animals.
	They're honest.
	Yes.
	They do nothing opposite of God.
	Hello.
	I can't wait to start talking to you.
	Welcome to the Roseanne Barr Podcast.
	We have a banger times 64 as was Hanukkah.
	We have a banger show today with Barry Gordy Jr. The fourth.
	The fourth.
	Yes.
	Who they call B4. That's right.
	Which I love that, that your name is before.
	That's so, so very cool.
	And you sent me your book, which is entitled Living Life Before Words.
	That's it.
	And I am so on about all of that and always have been, but needed to read it in the way you put it to know.
	That I've always known this.
	It was beneath words or above them.
	It was somewhere where words ain't.
	Yeah, without words.
	It was before words.
	Yes, before words.
	Well, that's kind of in a way biblical because it's like, you know, when they made that Tower of Babel.
	That was to confound language, why everybody would be speaking a hundred languages at once, none of them which meant anything, kind of like now.
	Yeah, right, right.
	But, yeah, animals, they do better on this earth than we do, simply and maybe, because they don't use words to confound, betray, screw up.
	Right.
	Right.
	Well, they don't use words and we're animals too.
	Right.
	So we weren't created to use words either.
	So humans created the words, not God.
	And that's why life is so complicated because we're living two lives.
	We always live our true life with God.
	That's what we feel.
	We feel our emotions, our instincts, our intuition.
	That's all spiritual.
	Right.
	It has nothing to do with words.
	But when we created words...
	We put words on top of those emotions, and that's why life is so complicated, because we're fighting these feelings all the time.
	We know what we feel, and then the words never represent what our true feelings are, ever.
	No, ever.
	Ever.
	Because you can't describe an emotion.
	You can't describe God.
	You can't put God in a word.
	No, you're not supposed to, neither.
	So that's what it is with the words.
	That's why our lives get so confusing.
	Yeah.
	Now, how old were you the first time you knew that you were called to say things in a different way that hadn't been said before?
	Well, that's a long story.
	Okay, but just go to, where's the beginning of you?
	I was 25 when that happened, yeah.
	Okay.
	And it was...
	A long story with my father because I love my father so much and it was very confusing for me to understand.
	And we had three relationships.
	My father, the father and son, strongest.
	Best friend, second strongest.
	And then he was my boss, the chairman of the board.
	I used to work, you know, my father founded Motown.
	Right.
	Yeah, and he was the chairman of the board.
	At 25, he...
	I mean, it's so not...
	Just for me to say for a minute, as a person who lived through that, it wasn't just founding Motown.
	It was a change of the American landscape in every possible way.
	In every possible way.
	And I was a kid during it, and it was something we never have seen the like of since.
	No, pretty amazing.
	I mean, just for me looking at it from the outside, not being in there, you know, it's really what an accomplishment it was.
	And, you know, I actually saw him do it from the beginning.
	Right.
	You know, I was four when Motown was, you know, when he founded Motown.
	So it's an incredible, you know, journey.
	But developed such a love for my father, my best friend.
	And when he, so I was working in the company.
	At 25, and he promoted me a little too much.
	I shouldn't have been in this position.
	I was in head of creative.
	And so we had an argument one day in the meeting.
	And he had two or three other executives there.
	And he listened to what they had to say, but he didn't really listen to what I had to say.
	And he was right, because I didn't know what I was saying.
	So we argued.
	And then as a little voice came to my head, it says, the stronger you are with your dad.
	He will respect you more.
	And so will the other executives.
	So I stayed to it.
	And boy, we got in this argument.
	And then I start crying, you know.
	And I didn't want the other executives to see me cry.
	So I peeked over and they were looking.
	So that's when I left the meeting.
	I was in the meeting and I went and sat on the piano bench while my dad continued with the meeting.
	And I spoke to God.
	I said, I don't understand why I don't understand my dad.
	I gotta understand my father.
	Everybody puts it on the other person.
	They never think about themselves.
	Isn't that right?
	Yeah.
	And so then God spoke to me then and said, in order for you to understand your father, you must first understand yourself.
	That's good.
	And that sounded profound.
	I said, how do I understand myself?
	And then God said, just consult your real truth.
	That's what God is, your real truth.
	God said, you also created a false truth, the truth that you let everybody else see.
	So in order to find who you are spiritually, you have to consult the real truth exclusively.
	And so I left Motown for two and a half years, and I went on this spiritual journey.
	And that's when Living Life Before Words came to me.
	The thing that came to me about living life before words was the fact that we're animals.
	Animals don't use words.
	That was my very first thing.
	And then by understanding that, I understood myself, which means I understand a man.
	See, I understand men.
	And then once you understand man, then you're going to understand your father.
	And then once you understand your father, you understand someone outside yourself, then you understand woman.
	Because we all are instructed, Created spiritually exactly the same.
	That's right.
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	So that's how Living Life Before Words came to be.
	So for two and a half years, I mean, I crowned everything.
	I wrote it all down.
	I did all the stuff that was coming out of order.
	So you were just on a, like, I don't know, quest kind of thing?
	To find myself.
	Yeah, but you were writing a lot, meditating a lot, living off the grid.
	Yeah, I did meditate as well.
	Or what were you doing, living in hotels?
	No, I was at home.
	Okay.
	You know.
	You know, the first day I was licking my wounds.
	But then I found myself.
	But that's where all this knowledge came to.
	And the bottom line is that we're animals before words were ever created.
	God created us perfectly as animals.
	We're a perfect animal.
	Just like all the other animals.
	And we're no different than all the other animals either.
	We are no different.
	We're no different.
	We're all animals.
	Different species.
	But every animal has maybe a unique physical body.
	But the spirit inside of Ariana was God.
	That's right.
	It's the same God.
	All life.
	Say that again?
	All life.
	All life.
	Yeah, and so then I started dealing with words, and then words complicates everything.
	So anyway, that's a long answer to your question, but that was the answer to it.
	Well, I think that that comes from the fact that the first thing I was reading in your book is that, It was your dad that said you could do whatever you want to do, but don't ever lie to him.
	Right?
	Well, that's what started my truth, and I was three years old.
	Right, I love that.
	I was three years old.
	Yeah, I was three also.
	You was three?
	I knew you was three at some point, but what happened at three?
	The same thing that happened to you.
	What do you mean?
	Just the knowing thing.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We're very smart of three.
	Yeah.
	People are smart.
	So what happened was, you know, living in Detroit, love Detroit, shout out to Detroit.
	You have to be strong in Detroit to survive.
	And anyway, my dad, this was before Motown, actually, at three years old.
	My household was a typical household.
	I had my mama, my sister Hazel, my brother Terry, my younger brother Terry.
	But my grandmother was there all the time, Gigi.
	And she was the matriarch.
	She ran things.
	Of course.
	So my dad, he was having a tough time making money.
	I mean, and we were really poor.
	I mean, we used to hide from bill collectors.
	Yeah, we did that.
	I love that.
	That made me laugh.
	We did that too, hiding behind the blinds with the lights on.
	It was a game.
	We did it so much, we were ready.
	Yeah, we knew it too.
	Don't answer the...
	Be quiet.
	We hear a knock on the door, we just get up and go into the basement.
	We just stand up off the couch and just go through the kitchen, open the door and stand on the steps.
	Yeah, it was a routine and it was a game to us.
	It wasn't a big deal.
	But they would get on my dad for not making money.
	They used to say, hey...
	You know, he would look like a puppy dog, honestly.
	He looked so sad.
	And so growing up, you know, your dad's supposed to be the king of the castle in the house.
	Gigi was the king.
	My grandmother was the king, you know.
	And he knew it.
	Was that his mom?
	That was my mom's mom.
	Okay, so that's double mom.
	Oh, yeah.
	And my mom, wonderful, the best mom.
	But that was her mom.
	So, you know, it was like, dang.
	So what happened was, after they had an argument.
	And my dad called me in the room.
	He said, Littleberry, come in.
	I can still see it today.
	He was cool.
	He had a little do-rag on and stuff.
	I didn't know the pants he had on.
	And he looked down at me, and I looked in his eyes, and he was very sad.
	Because there was an argument, and he lost all of them.
	He lost them all.
	Of course.
	He lost them all.
	And so he looked at me and said, Son, if you always tell me the truth, you'll never get in trouble.
	And this way, I'll be able to trust you and you'll always be able to trust me.
	And so I thought about it for a minute because I used to lie a lot.
	And I used to tell the truth a lot.
	And whenever I told the truth, I would still kind of get in trouble.
	I know.
	Me too, right?
	I went through that exact same thing.
	Yeah, so...
	And then you're like, I thought...
	Yeah, so I didn't know if I believed it.
	Yeah.
	But about a week later, I tracked some mud into my bedroom or something.
	I know I did it.
	And my dad called me in and says, did you bring that mud into your room?
	And at first, I want to lie.
	You know, you get that instinct to lie.
	You want to survive or protect yourself.
	So I was thinking I should stay with my brother, Terry.
	I'll blame everything on Terry.
	And I looked at him, and he looked so pitiful.
	I said, take a chance on this guy.
	And I did.
	I said, yes, Dad, I did it.
	And I could feel that today when I said, just the same feeling.
	It was so strong.
	And I closed my eyes because I used to, he used to spank me really well, a lot.
	And so I was spanking the spanking and he hugged me.
	And I could actually feel the chill come up and down my spine when he hugged me, you know.
	And from that day on.
	From three, I start trusting them, and that's how I became my best friend.
	I mean, we're like way today.
	The same relationship we haven't had, it's the same.
	It's amazing.
	And I made a dedication to never lie to him, and that was a challenge because we're conditioned to lie.
	We're animals.
	Surviving is the most important thing for animals, so you will survive, and the thing is lie, don't do this.
	And I got to the point where I said, with my dad, I said, Because my mind would always come in with an alternative to win.
	You know, it would be a lie.
	Oh, I know.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Yeah.
	And I had to fight that back.
	Yeah.
	And I took a chance.
	Every time I said, then I got to the point where, just tell them.
	You know, don't even think about it.
	And that's our relationship.
	So that's what happened.
	So when I was 25 in Motown, I had all that going for me.
	So he was always my dad, you know.
	And so the chairman thing came in.
	And that's how I found Living Life Before Words.
	But he implanted a love of truth in you, right?
	Yes, yes.
	That was your truth.
	That's absolutely right.
	He did.
	Because that's how he is.
	He really is that way.
	He's a great person, generous person, smart.
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	Because, you know, I mean, excuse me, but a-holes don't accomplish to that level.
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	Right?
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	I think you're right.
	And you have to be very smart.
	And I think being truthful is spiritual, you know, and it's a God thing.
	It is, because God is the truth.
	I mean, to me, it's so amazing, honestly, when I look back.
	Because I look at him as my dad, but then I step...
	I want to look at him as what he's accomplished and how he accomplished it.
	I was there on day one, pretty much, when he bought the Motown.
	You know, he borrowed $800 from his family.
	I don't know if you know the story.
	I don't.
	I mean, I do, but you should tell it.
	I love it.
	No, I don't know it.
	I wish you would tell it.
	Okay, well.
	He borrowed $800.
	His family, his brothers and sisters, had a fund, the Gordy Fund.
	And his older sister, Esther, managed it.
	She was in charge.
	And he went to her to get a loan because he wanted to start the record company.
	And he went in for $1,000, but she gave me $800.
	And so he went.
	I don't know how he bought a house for $800.
	I don't know how it worked, but he went and got a house.
	The one on West Ryan Boulevard, the Motown Iconic Building.
	I think it's 2848 or something like that.
	It's in Detroit.
	And he, you know, so I was with him when he did it, but he brought in all these great, talented people, and he had to manage these people.
	My dad was a songwriter before.
	He used to work at Ford Motor Company before he started Motown.
	But he also was moonlighting as a songwriter.
	So he knew music very well.
	He wrote Jackie Wilson's.
	You remember Jackie Wilson's?
	Yeah.
	You heard Repetit, To Be Loved, you know, and all these songs.
	And he wrote those songs.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And so he wasn't making no money.
	But he wrote those songs.
	So he had it in his thing.
	So I'm just...
	When I look back and see how he managed all these great stars, because they were coming in, they were just kids, but he managed them and brought in great writers and talented people.
	Anyway, I'm very proud of him.
	He did it in a real moral way, too, like he wasn't having any big old sex parties and such, I imagine, right?
	Well, let me tell you why that happened.
	You're right.
	Like I was mentioning, he met...
	He wrote Jackie Wilson's hits, and then he met his best friend, Smokey Robinson.
	My dad was in Jackie Wilson's manager's office, because my dad was kind of a big deal, although he wasn't making money.
	He was writing Jackie Wilson's hits.
	So Smokey Robinson came in there for Jackie Wilson's manager to manage him with Smokey Robinson, The Matador.
	It wasn't The Miracles yet, but his group.
	So my dad, so my dad, so the manager didn't like him and kind of, I'm going to say kicked him out the office, but I might be in dramatic, but they leave, you know, and they left and I call him Uncle Smokey because that's when my dad introduced us when we was three.
	This is your Uncle Smokey.
	So we call him Uncle Smokey.
	So he put his, you know, songs on his arm and his blues.
	My dad went after him and said, I love your songs.
	My dad was a songwriter.
	Smokey had 100 songs that he wrote.
	My dad said, listen, your lyrics are great, your ideas are great, but your structure.
	My dad knew the business of writing songs.
	He structured.
	Uncle Smoke, Smokey, you know, how to write.
	So one day, so they became best friends.
	You know, Richard Pryor said Smokey Robinson was the greatest American poet of all time.
	Yeah, I mean...
	He is amazing.
	It's incredible poetry.
	Well, it is.
	And he's got, you know, when you're around him, he's poetic when you're just talking to him, to be honest with you.
	You know, you just say, hey, man, and he'll come up with something.
	He's an artist through and through.
	And he's a wonderful, wonderful person.
	Just a great person.
	So what happened was, so they were best friends, and my dad got a royalty check.
	He had a hit song, and the royalty check was for $1.37.
	Wow.
	Uncle Smokey told my dad, he says, hey man, you can do better than this.
	Maybe you should start your own record company.
	And so my dad said, yeah, if I start a record company, you know, I'll be able to pay the writer's right, I'll pay the artist's right.
	And that was how he started Motown.
	And so that's when he went and borrowed $800 and started it.
	And my dad's philosophy for Motown was very simple.
	My dad used to write.
	Used to work in Ford Motor Company on the assembly line.
	Right.
	Yeah, and so, do you know the story?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so.
	But tell it.
	Yeah, so what happened was, Dad envisioned creating a record label to create stars, just like the assembly line.
	Right, right.
	You know, you have all the parts at the beginning, and it goes down the assembly line, and it ends up being a spanking new, beautiful car.
	So he would want to get artists, unknown artists, and make them.
	Create them and then through the process.
	It's kind of like a finishing school, like send them to this, to learn that.
	Yeah, well, that all came later at some point.
	Yeah, with the polishing, with the dancing and all that stuff.
	That came a little later.
	My dad was interested in hit songs, hit songs, you know.
	And so he started, that's how he started Motown and then Smokey Hadler.
	Big influence on that.
	And Smokey was one of the first real big writers at Motown.
	You know, Mary Wells.
	Right.
	You know, you beat me to the punch.
	Two Lovers.
	That's all Smokey.
	Some of the Temptations early.
	So all these artists are coming in.
	And my dad got a great guy called William Mickey Stevenson.
	He was a young kid.
	So they got him in there to be the A&R director.
	Which got all the Funk Brothers, which is the Motown band.
	So just watching my dad, how he did these things was just amazing to me.
	But he's a good person, smart, and talented.
	And he had a vision, clearly, with the assembly line.
	I know, but it's still used.
	I mean, his ideas are still used and proven to be...
	I mean, it's just...
	I mean, it's too bad.
	That they've been misused by lesser people, but he knew how to give us what we want as an audience.
	It was so amazing because here's a black-owned company competing against established white guys.
	It was a civil rights area.
	I know, that's what I say.
	And for him to break through.
	You know, he had a great support team.
	He had to pick great people, which he did.
	And, you know, and he had to get talented people to come in and had to put it all together.
	But he had some great things that he used to do, you know, to get songs played.
	And, you know, he had just philosophies, you know, he created.
	A quality control department.
	He made, you know, where all the songs would be.
	Anyway, I can go on and on with it because it was so much.
	And it was really, really, you know, incredible just to be there and see that stuff, you know.
	Well, then that puts you as, you know, the son, the, I don't want to say the watcher, but the viewer kind of thing.
	I mean, you get to see all that.
	So that, of course, influences you to where you go to in creating your philosophy.
	So that's why I'm saying when I'm reading your stuff, I can see how you had such a broad view.
	I mean, you were given such a broad view just by virtue of having that be your dad and all that that meant.
	But your view of things is huge.
	And I want to talk about that.
	Why are you a man knowing what you know?
	I don't even know.
	How can you know what you know?
	It's usually old women who know what you know.
	That's what I can figure.
	That's interesting that you say that.
	Well, thank you.
	Well, I'm going to tell you something.
	Everything I know, you know.
	Well, vice versa, I know that.
	Yeah, everything I know, you know.
	Yeah, so, you know, because, and that's why I actually wrote the book, Living Life Before Words, is because I want to share this with everyone, because they have it, they know this anyway.
	Yeah.
	How do we take words out of stuff and make stuff better?
	Well, the first thing you've got to recognize is that you're living two lives at the same time.
	And what are those two lives?
	A spiritual life, which is our animal life.
	It's a life that God gave us.
	It's perfect.
	The soul?
	Yeah, you're perfect.
	Well, just your instincts, your emotions, they're never supposed to be used with words.
	We're animals.
	It's a perfect language.
	That's God's language.
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	God gave us God's language.
	And every animal has it.
	The thing about us, if we want to see who we are, just look at animals.
	They don't use words, but we do.
	That's the only difference.
	And so the first thing is to understand that we really are our own unique animal.
	Yeah.
	And animal species.
	And we're perfect.
	God creates perfection.
	Everything God creates is perfect.
	So God created us this way.
	Then, and we've been this way for 2 to 6 million years roaming around Earth.
	Then about 10,000 years ago, human civilization.
	We weren't human until about 10,000 years ago when the Word was created human and we put it on top of our animal-ness.
	We're not human.
	We're animals first and humans second.
	We're animals, human, not human animals.
	You know, that's a word.
	You mean we're just a certain kind of animal?
	We're our own unique animal species.
	Period.
	Yeah, I believe that.
	That's perfect.
	We're perfect.
	That is the truth, yeah.
	And what makes us imperfect is we're living life.
	We're going to always live our animal life.
	In other words, you always get your emotions.
	You always feel your emotions.
	You always feel your instincts.
	You always react to those things.
	But instead of reacting naturally without the words, now you're acting and then words tell you what you're feeling.
	You already know what you're feeling.
	It's happened already.
	So the words is a secondary language.
	See, our primary language is the language God gave us.
	A secondary language is what we created as humans.
	And those words can never represent at all what our...
	God's language tells us as an animal.
	And that's why it gets confusing.
	So we're actually having this conflict all the time with our feelings and then words.
	And then we're thinking with words.
	And we're never supposed to think with words by God.
	It's like Jesse Lee Peterson always talks about.
	Thoughts are not yours.
	Well, I mean, yeah.
	In fact, most meditators, I say, go along with that.
	Of course.
	And we all know.
	I mean, we all know that.
	I just, you know, we all know what we know.
	And everybody knows what they know.
	But sometimes, maybe because you're trained or something, well, you do need to read the words.
	Because words do rearrange your emotions.
	Read the words for what?
	Well, to understand what the heck you're doing.
	What are you doing?
	Well, when I read your words saying that we have, you know, An internal, real soul self, and then we have this fake self over it that's protecting it with words because they don't want anybody to get at it and snuff it out.
	I know that because I have lived that, right?
	And I think everybody in the world has lived that.
	But they wouldn't have never put it like, hey, I got a fake self surrounding my...
	Soul to keep monsters away from it.
	They wouldn't have put that together without words.
	I almost were with you.
	What are you saying now?
	She's saying words are important.
	I'm saying sometimes words...
	Sometimes naming something is so important.
	Spellcasting.
	Okay, tell me I'm wrong.
	I'm willing to hear it.
	No, no, no, no.
	I just want to clearly understand what you're saying.
	So, words are important, but they're not the most important.
	In other words, words are a secondary language.
	And the reason that words...
	Oh, I get that.
	Okay, I get that.
	See, if we know they're a secondary language, then we'll treat them like they're secondary.
	But what we do is, as humans...
	Yeah.
	Word means everything to us.
	Yeah, we think everything starts with the word.
	That's my point.
	Yeah, I get it.
	Yeah, that's the only language we have.
	So we put so much value and importance on words.
	Well, we're brainwashed into doing that.
	Well, okay, you say brainwashed, but I say we're conditioned from our early...
	Okay, conditioned.
	Yeah, that's just the word I would use.
	We're conditioned from our early age to...
	For this new language.
	It's the human language.
	See how words change it?
	You say brainwash, you say condition.
	That's absolutely right.
	See?
	I can agree with once I get to the thought behind the words, I can always agree.
	Once we define our terms and stuff.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So what happens with words is words, since it's our secondary language and we make it our primary language, It's what makes our life so complicated.
	It's because we put too much emphasis on words.
	And it's important just to separate the two.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yes, that is important.
	Yeah, to separate the two.
	And figure out which one is more important.
	The life that God gave us, our spiritual language, is what God gave us versus a language that we created with words.
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	The reason words were created is because when we became human 10,000 years ago...
	The purpose of human civilization is to protect ourselves from our animal selves.
	So we collectively, as a species, decided to create a civilization so we can be civil inside the civilization.
	And with the words we put...
	That's where words come into play and become very powerful because we create laws, we create regulations.
	We create social agreements.
	By the written word.
	Right.
	So therefore, in civilization, we want to protect ourselves from the wild animals.
	So we have laws and regulations and rules.
	You can't drink till you're 21. That's not...
	How God created animals to live, animals are free.
	Society controls us.
	That's another reason there's a conflict because we're wild animals still.
	When I say wild, that doesn't mean negative.
	That just means living an honest life as an animal.
	And so we're in society now, but the words control us.
	And we really fight against that.
	You know, that's the two lives that we live.
	But the lives...
	That we have created with words is a made of life.
	God did not create that life.
	Yes, that's true.
	And that's why it gets complicated.
	Yeah.
	So we really are living in two worlds at once.
	We absolutely are.
	Which I always feel that when I, you know, you know, because what I do in my private time, it don't fit in with what I have to do when I'm going around.
	Working.
	In the working world.
	That's so beautiful.
	Then that's absolutely right.
	We're going to live our true, honest life.
	What's so beautiful is you want to live your honest life.
	You want to be good.
	You want to follow God in your life.
	You want to do what you want to do.
	That's freedom.
	That's animal.
	But in society, you have rules.
	Yeah.
	That was made by man, not God.
	Right.
	And with the control of society, you have a governor, you have a president, you have a prime minister, you have all these different rules to tame our animal self, our honest self.
	So therefore, words, and they're representing God.
	They're saying what you can't do, you can't cross the street, you can't jaywalk.
	As an animal, you know, we're going to run across the street.
	I mean, how many times have we...
	Not seeing any traffic and rerun, you know, because we're animals.
	Every day.
	You don't see a lion in the jungle talking about, you know, okay, what time?
	There are rules.
	There's no rules in the jungle.
	No, I mean, you can't see the animal going.
	Well, that's who we are.
	And now we're in society wanting to control us.
	And that's where the conflict is.
	And so it's a perfect system by God.
	But since we created words 10,000 years ago, now we're controlling the situation with societies, you know, instead of being in a free jungle as an animal.
	And that's where it is because we're going to always be an animal.
	We're going to always have our instincts and emotions.
	But with words, we want to, we being society, want to control how we feel.
	With the words.
	It all depends on how you use that word, because every word carries an energy.
	Yeah, it does carry an energy.
	So that's how it works.
	But here's the thing.
	So if we go back, because that's about anarchy, right?
	Well, I mean, if there was no government, then how we would live if there was no government.
	Because they say everybody would be kind of in their rational self-interest.
	I love that.
	That's what I'm talking about.
	Go ahead.
	But the thing about it is it's a choice to live in society.
	Right.
	So we can choose to be our animal selves and go off the grid or go and have no rules with nobody as animals do.
	But if we choose to live in society, it's because we want them.
	The protection.
	So I'm not saying it's a bad thing to be in society.
	I'm not saying words are bad.
	I'm not saying anything is not good.
	No, you're talking about deep analysis of constructs, which is what's needed.
	Yeah, but the most important thing is we're making a choice to do that.
	We're choosing to live in society.
	We're choosing to use the words.
	My whole thing is...
	I just want to bring clarity.
	I'm like a presenter.
	I got these ideas.
	I'm just presenting them for people to look at.
	And if they work, take them.
	They're yours anyway.
	Everything that I know, you know.
	And you can find it all if you just take away the words.
	And it's about being happy.
	It's about fulfilling your life.
	It's about living life in line with God.
	That's what we all want to do.
	And I notice when I live a life...
	The purpose for me for living life, for sharing living life before words is because there's a lot of good people that are confused because they won't do anything.
	They don't want to do anything opposite God.
	They may be tempted and they might go over the line and they may do it and they jump back, you know.
	And my whole thing is...
	It's to present the structure of how it all works with God and words and society and things like that to make a choice.
	But it's for clarity of spirit.
	Yeah.
	Okay, how do we get more clarity of spirit?
	Because we definitely need it.
	This is so funny.
	I feel like I'm rambling.
	What?
	No, you're fascinating.
	You're not rambling.
	Why do you feel that way?
	I just feel like I'm rambling.
	He doesn't do a lot of podcasts.
	Oh, by the way, this is my first podcast.
	Oh, it is?
	Yeah.
	Why do you feel like you're rambling?
	What do you want to do different?
	Well, because I just want to be clear on the purpose of what Living Life Before Words is.
	Okay, what is it?
	Basically, in simplicity terms, As I said before, you know, we were created perfectly by God as an animal.
	And we have everything.
	It's perfect.
	We operate with our spiritual instincts, intuition, emotions, just like God intended it without words, just like all the other animals because we're no different than any of the other animals.
	We like to think we're different because we tell ourselves we're different with words.
	Forget it.
	There are no words.
	We're animals.
	And because we create a society.
	With words, when we created words, we created a new language for us that God did not create.
	God did not create any words.
	And these words have become controlling as if they're God to us.
	We make words so important and they're not at all.
	And it's important.
	Yeah, we live in society.
	We choose to live in society.
	We have to abide by the words.
	But if you notice, words are very controlling.
	We're free as animals, but in society, we're controlled.
	And so the choice is that we know that we're going to be controlled, but the reason that we are so confused is because we're putting words on top of our emotions that was never created for words.
	And that's where it gets very confusing.
	So living life before words is just...
	It's a rediscovery of who we are and how God created us.
	I don't even know if that makes sense.
	It does make sense because what you're saying is you're saying go back to the absolute basics.
	Aren't you saying that?
	I'm saying that.
	Trust your gut?
	Go back to the basics of you before you start.
	Right?
	Is that what you're saying?
	That is so funny.
	Because that's like the moment the...
	The light turns on when you go back to the basics, you know?
	Yeah, this is so great because you are my first podcast.
	Uh-huh.
	And I wanted it to be you all the time.
	Oh, that's cool.
	You know, because I love your honesty and who you are and you're a warrior and a fighter.
	Thank you.
	And so I'm just so happy to be here.
	And, you know, I practice, you know, like the structure of what I'm going to say and how I'm going to do it.
	But I'm not really communicating, you know, what I really want.
	I think you're doing great.
	What I really want to communicate.
	So you're letting words get in your way?
	Is that what you're saying?
	Hello.
	Okay.
	I like that.
	Not exactly, but yes, but not exactly.
	Okay, but pretend I'm two years old.
	Now tell me if I'm two years old.
	Exactly what?
	Okay, I'm three, and it's like you and your dad kind of deal.
	I'm old.
	Or say I'm young.
	I'm a child because I do think like a child.
	I wear diapers.
	We won't go there.
	But just tell me simple.
	When I don't have a lot of words, I just have feelings because I'm a kid.
	What are you going to tell me?
	Well, kids are...
	Well, okay.
	That's so amazing.
	Let me think right now.
	Real quick.
	You do.
	You've got all the time you want.
	What the point I want to make, how I want to get it back on track.
	I mean, because to me...
	I don't think nothing can ever be off track.
	I don't know if I'm really communicating.
	You are.
	You're doing great.
	This is new for me.
	You're doing great.
	You're showing a deep thinker.
	This is how podcasts go.
	That's what I was trying to tell you.
	This is how it all goes.
	It's conversation.
	You're doing good.
	Don't self-edit.
	But I want to go off from here on the words more.
	But I want you to communicate with me with no words.
	That's what I'm trying to say.
	I can't get my words either.
	We've been communicating with our words all day since I met you.
	You felt me, I felt you.
	That's our communication.
	There's a trust there.
	We like each other.
	Am I saying that?
	Did I overstep myself?
	No, you didn't overstep yourself.
	Because we had like, boing, boing, boing.
	We saw, whatever you call it, a mate, a soul.
	We connected, for sure.
	You know, somebody who's, you know, has seen something you've seen in their eyes.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	You know how the eyes are the window to the soul?
	Yes, yes, yes.
	I always go in there because you can see, oh, there's a lot of boxes in the way there.
	I'm going down this hallway and there's a lot of boxes I've got to move, but I see there's light there.
	Can I ask you a question?
	Yes.
	So you're talking about clarity, which I'm getting.
	You're coming through perfectly clear about the conflict of being human and animal.
	I think she wants to know, and correct me if I'm wrong, is where do we go from there?
	Because if we know we're conflicted, if words don't express emotions, how do we still relate?
	What is your opinion and suggestion moving forward, I think is what you're asking, right?
	That's very good.
	Well, that's kind of, because my feeling has been in the last couple weeks that, and I said it on a podcast I was on, because it's hard for me on podcasts too, because you may find this as you go along doing your podcast deal.
	It doesn't seem like they are talking human being.
	They're not talking like human language or something.
	Who is not talking?
	The other people.
	On the podcast.
	On the podcast with me.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, because I always feel like an alien.
	Because I have to talk their language and it's just effed up.
	It's got a lot of assumptions and just friggin' crazy shit in it, you know, so I have to hone through that.
	You know what I mean.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But anyway, you can hone through it.
	But then I was saying on this one, I just feel like...
	The power of perceiving, walking on the street and seeing somebody walking the other way and their smile, what I am perceiving in that person's smile is way deeper than anything I ever perceived in a smile before.
	And I'm knowing that I'm smiling back at them and the way their eyes are taking it in, they're perceiving something.
	Way deeper than they've ever perceived before either.
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	And it's energy, right?
	It's no words.
	Right.
	Perception.
	Yeah, but it's also spiritual feeling.
	It's a feeling.
	To me, God's language is a feeling.
	It's your emotions.
	It's your instinct.
	So you feel it.
	It's a feeling.
	So what you're saying, Jake, is where do we go?
	I want to kind of just...
	Well, how do you relate?
	I mean, words are for relating if it's conflicting.
	To use words.
	How do we relate without words?
	Because the most important thing is to understand the structure of God, because if you look at other animals, which we are, it's easy to see.
	See, words are just like tools.
	You build your emotions with words, so they're not specific to anything.
	So you can build your emotions.
	And in order for us to, in my opinion, to understand who we are, Is a big thing for us.
	Yeah.
	I mean, thinking negative thoughts and all these kind of things and how we accept those things.
	Now, without words, animals think without words.
	Right.
	Right?
	Do animals think without words?
	Yeah.
	Whereas an animal, we also think without words.
	Yeah, we do.
	And God created an incredible mechanism for thinking that had nothing to do with words.
	This mechanism for thinking, I call it lateral thought.
	It goes lateral.
	Yeah.
	It's strictly for your protection and survival.
	This is where negative thoughts come from.
	This is the mechanism of, in every animal, all animals, negative thoughts.
	So as an animal, you don't use words.
	So let's say if a deer is being threatened, eating food and shakes, and they start going lateral, they only go to like, if it goes from 0 to 12, they only go to like 3. And then they make a decision to get out of there.
	So, there's no words.
	So, that's what this mechanism is for.
	It was never created for words.
	Okay.
	I understand.
	But what we do since we created words 10,000 years ago, we put words on this negative system that's perfect.
	It runs to the nth degree.
	It keeps running.
	So, if we've seen something in the bush, we'll say, oh, shit.
	What the fuck is that?
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, could it be this?
	Could it be that?
	Oh, my.
	Oh, it's going to eat me.
	Words, words, words.
	See?
	Words was never designed for this as an animal.
	And that's not the damage, but it's not recognizing that that's what words do, that God did not create.
	God did not create the words.
	So you're really doing that to yourself.
	And then you look at the bush and then a rabbit runs out.
	So you did all this thinking for nothing.
	But that happens all the time.
	Do you think it's like to hijack our focus?
	No, I think the words are...
	I was abusing this natural process of thought.
	All animals think.
	Yeah, but once we start doing that, we're missing the big warning, right?
	That's what you're saying, right?
	I'm saying that...
	We're missing out, like going, should I get out of here?
	That thing might eat me.
	Should I get out of here or stay?
	That's very true.
	But instead we're going, well, the mechanics of his legs are such that you're staying there.
	You're staying there and running lateral with a negative thought.
	Right.
	And the point, what an animal will do is they acknowledge the threat, and then they deal.
	But what we do is acknowledge the threat, and we keep talking to ourselves over and over and over and over again in words, which brings in negative energy, and that's not what the process was for.
	I get what you're saying.
	I get it.
	Yeah, so that's important to understand the word language.
	But the word language is very tricky too because, like I said, as an animal, we have emotions and we have instincts.
	Let's say that we got an instinct.
	This is, I think might be interesting, but when we get an instinct, our instinct is strictly for our survival.
	Whenever you get that feeling, we all know what that feeling is, right?
	We have an understanding.
	Yes.
	See, we know what that is.
	Right.
	We know what that feeling is.
	So that instinct.
	It's really for our protection.
	That's all it's for.
	It's a warning.
	But when we get an instinct, we've been taught as a kid, as soon as you get the instinct, oh, you're scared.
	Oh, you're nervous.
	Uh-huh.
	There's no animal on planet Earth that's nervous, scared, or frightened, or worried.
	Angry.
	None of that.
	Yeah.
	That's something that we created with words.
	So, to protect ourselves, in order to protect ourselves, and it's from...
	Our generations from past, you know, that's how we teach our kids.
	I'm sure I taught my kids that.
	That's what we learned to do.
	Oh, you're scared or you look worried or you look frightened.
	Right.
	And so whenever they get that instinct, that's what we get because with words, we put words on top of our beautiful mechanism that God gave us for our protection.
	Well, what should we have said to our kids then?
	Like, are you feeling, what should we have said instead?
	You don't have to say anything because what's this warning for?
	Protection.
	As an animal, this warning is...
	So we look at these things as negative, right?
	Scared.
	So that's a negative energy that we're attached to that word and that natural, beautiful emotion that God gave us.
	Right.
	What is it for as an animal?
	And this is all it's for.
	It's God tapping you on the shoulder saying, beware.
	It's a positive.
	It's not negative at all.
	It's not negative, right?
	It's not negative at all.
	When you get that instinct, it says, oh, don't go over, don't touch the stove.
	Oh, there's something in the bush.
	So if an animal get that instinct, they never look at it negatively.
	Like it's a word.
	They look at it.
	If I'm an animal and there's a lion over there and I feel it, I said, okay, well, you better get ready to run.
	How positive is that?
	It's completely positive.
	That's all it is.
	That instinct right there.
	That's all it's for.
	It's not to be scared or worried or anything like that.
	So when you get scared and worried, guess what happens?
	You go lateral.
	Oh, shit.
	Oh, you're scared.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.
	See, it had nothing to do...
	First, it had nothing to do with God.
	Right.
	It has everything to do with our human society that we created.
	God did not create words.
	And we put words that we created on top of our...
	Beautiful system to God.
	So it's a positive.
	And it's so interesting because I live this way.
	I'll get an instinct and it's beautiful.
	Because I know what I'm going to have to do.
	I'm either going to have to do something or not.
	If it's a warning, it's a warning.
	This guy said, hey, what you going to do?
	Watch it over there.
	If it's a bill that comes in or something, you get that.
	Pay it!
	Take care of it!
	People, if they say something, if you get an envelope and it says urgent on it, you get this feeling and then you say, oh God, what am I going to be?
	What is this could be?
	Oh, they're going to, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	And then you read it and it's not nothing like that.
	So what I'm saying to you, the thing to understand is that we live these two lives.
	God is perfect and then with words we've mislabeled this beautiful system.
	With words.
	There's negative words and there's positive words.
	On the same token, you can feel wonderful with wonderful words.
	So it's not the words.
	It's how you use the words.
	And you can use words to spell.
	I always call it spellcasting.
	But you can actually manifest things in your life and relate to other people with words.
	Words have tremendous power if you use them properly, right?
	Right, right, right.
	There is a tool.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I always talk about the right words with the right people at the right time.
	Yeah.
	The right everything.
	It can't be defeated.
	Yeah.
	But I like what you're saying, where if you're using words in this lateral sense, kind of like, it's not the correct use of words, is what you're saying, when you do that.
	Of the mechanism.
	When you're projecting this stuff.
	Yeah, you're tripping it.
	Yes, not the mechanism is perfect, but you're putting something on top of it.
	I think it's fascinating.
	And then also, let's think negative thoughts, which is a major thing.
	A lot of people think negative thoughts.
	Because they're addicted to it.
	Every day.
	Well, they don't know that there's an alternative, number one.
	Well, yeah, they don't.
	But that's why I actually wrote the book, because I put it, you know, you read it, or I don't know if you read that part, but anyway, the negative thoughts is a big deal, is because that's not natural to think negatively with words.
	It's just not natural.
	Because there are no words as an animal, but there are words as a human that we created when we created words.
	I mean...
	I mean, people think negative thoughts multiple times a day.
	Just run negative, negative, negative.
	I mean, we all do.
	And when you think negative thoughts with words, because you can't think a negative thought without a word.
	You have to use words to think negative thoughts.
	That's true.
	Yeah.
	So if you take away the words, you will never think or have a negative thought.
	Oh, that's good.
	Yeah, you'll never have a negative thought.
	Because I feel like people are bombarded with negative thoughts that don't even originate with them.
	Perfect.
	That's what I'm saying.
	And it happens multiple times a day.
	And every time you have negative thoughts, you bring in negative energy into your body.
	The idea is that you don't want negative energy that brings stress.
	And you control it.
	But it's the words.
	And this is the thing about negative thoughts.
	I'm going to ask you both a question.
	Okay, then you're going to have to tell us how we can divest ourselves of words.
	I'm going to tell you.
	The thing about this is so...
	It's very simple, really, because it's no words.
	But it gets complicated because of the words that we created.
	And my purpose is to let you say you have this all.
	This is who you really are.
	Everyone that's ever seen this podcast, read the book, whatever, this is who we are.
	Everyone that's ever been born as an animal first.
	And then we become human with words.
	That's the thing.
	So this is what I want to ask.
	How many times...
	Do you have negative thoughts?
	Me?
	That's funny.
	Do you not have negative thoughts?
	Sometimes I have a positive thought.
	The point I'm saying is we have multiple negative thoughts.
	How many times in your life have you thought...
	To the nth degree means when you think of a negative thought, you...
	You conclude that you know what it is.
	Yes.
	I mean, in your heart, you know that this is what it is, right?
	Am I right?
	Yeah, no, you're right.
	Yeah, that's what everyone does.
	I know I'm getting bombarded because I'm trying to focus on something better.
	And so it bombards me to come back.
	That's how I look at it.
	With negative thoughts?
	Mm-hmm.
	Well, I'm saying when we do negative thoughts, we always have a conclusion like, you know, this is going to happen.
	I know this, you know, all that kind of real to the nth degree.
	Yeah, you read the whole story.
	You have it locked down.
	You know everything you're thinking is going to happen, correct?
	No, I have it in a box where it can't touch me.
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	And I've seen our listeners.
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	Let's get some of these people a couple days.
	That is so rude.
	Not everyone who likes us is.
	No, a lot of them are just mentally ill.
	And they look great.
	That's true.
	Well, we love that.
	You don't think that that way?
	Uh-uh.
	It can't get at me at all because I'm protected.
	Oh, tell me about that.
	Oh.
	Huh?
	Yeah.
	No, it can't get at me.
	Negative thoughts?
	No, nothing negative can get at me.
	You don't think negative thoughts?
	No, I do not.
	Okay.
	I get bombarded with them.
	Oh, I see.
	But they're not of me because I don't have them because I'm connected to God, so I'm nothing negative.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	But when I get around, people who ain't like that, they shoot with a lot of negative at me.
	But I got like my Wonder Woman things, you know, it doesn't penetrate at all because I'm protected.
	And I know that.
	That's interesting.
	They can say all they do, and they can be all they are, even if they're like, whatever they call them, ghosts or what have you.
	Right, right, right.
	They don't get in here.
	This is God's, you don't get, sorry.
	I don't listen to you.
	You're not coming in here.
	Bye-bye.
	They're nothing to do with me.
	Okay, I'm just talking about thinking negatively.
	Nope.
	I don't do that.
	Okay, well, Jake?
	All the fucking time.
	Okay, let me talk to Jake.
	That's wonderful, because that's interesting.
	No, I think negative thoughts.
	No, no, it really is.
	I paint the whole conclusion, the whole story.
	Everyone does this.
	Okay, everyone does it, except for Roseanne.
	Apparently, she's clear and changed.
	This is great.
	But you know what I'm saying, right?
	Yes, 100%.
	And let me ask you a question.
	You go to the nth degree of negativity.
	Has anything ever happened exactly like you thought?
	No, of course not.
	Never.
	I tell him that.
	Okay, wait a minute.
	It never happens like this word.
	This is so significant.
	Yeah.
	But you're using words and your pain is going lateral.
	And you always come to a conclusion.
	You know why?
	You come to the conclusion like, oh, I know this.
	Oh, I know this is going to happen.
	This is it.
	Oh, it's happening now.
	Right.
	He does.
	You know why?
	Now, let's take it to the animal side.
	Because an animal must...
	Draw conclusions really fast.
	Yeah.
	Without words.
	So remember, the lateral barometer goes from 0 to 12. 12 represents the nth degree.
	It keeps going, going, going, going.
	An animal, thought process, this is the thought process that we have, that God gave the audience, that we have, that we put words on top of.
	The animal without words will get a thought, a negative, you call it a negative thought, but a protective thought.
	That's what it is.
	And it won't go past three.
	Right.
	Because an animal must be decisive and have a conclusion.
	I better get out of here.
	Quick.
	You know, like a fly.
	A fly sees a hand coming down.
	And then that fly, before you get there, that fly's gone.
	Because it went to zero to three and got off and said, I'm in danger.
	Shoots off.
	So you have to have a conclusion.
	Right.
	You know, and that's where a lizard, you're going to chase a lizard.
	You're going to catch a lizard.
	You're creeping up on a lizard.
	And you're about to catch it.
	Because a lizard had to have a conclusion.
	So in this mechanism.
	You conclude.
	So that's why when you have negative thoughts, you come to a conclusion by God because God creates perfection.
	The system that God gave us as an animal is perfect.
	And it's being, I'm going to say misused, mislabeled with words that God did not create.
	Humans created the words.
	And I'm not saying they did it for an affair.
	It's part of our evolution.
	We evolved to using a secondary language that God didn't create.
	And that's what we did, and that's what we are.
	So we really are two people.
	We're animals, and we're also human.
	And so that's where words, but because God created such a perfect system and mechanism, we're mislabeling what God gave us with words.
	So negative thinking is such a major thing.
	Because I know, because I used to do it.
	I don't go past three, maybe four.
	Because I know it ain't going to happen.
	What you just told me, I said, and this is through your whole life, you have these negative thoughts that you know is going to happen, you know this is right, and they've never happened.
	Did you just tell me that?
	Yeah.
	They never happen.
	They never happen with anybody.
	No.
	Because your mind is perfect.
	You're going to pick the perfect scenario that you don't want to happen.
	And then when it doesn't happen, what do we do?
	We fool ourselves.
	We say, oh, I'm glad that didn't happen.
	Shit, boy, I escaped.
	You didn't because you collected all this negative energy in your body as if it did happen.
	See, we're not supposed to collect that negative energy because that negative energy is not of God.
	That's why you have headaches and you feel depressed and all this stuff is because you're collecting all this negative energy in that you're in control of.
	And it's just about understanding that we have these two lives that we live.
	And one, God gave us perfectly.
	And one, we created ourselves.
	You're talking a lot about, sorry to interrupt, non-attachment.
	Say that again.
	Buddhists call this non-attachment.
	When your thought comes in, you don't attach to the thought.
	Similar to what she was talking about.
	The compartmentalizing.
	Once you attach, this is what I got from you today.
	Once you attach, you have this system in your mind that's created that becomes linear thought and problem solving because you've attached.
	It's almost like a treadmill when your dad was working at Ford and you're like, oh, there's a thought, blah, blah, blah.
	You're doing that in natural instinct because you've attached to the thought.
	Whereas if you just let it pass, just go to three.
	You can respond more as your instincts and as an animal, and you don't get caught off in the storytelling, right?
	Is that what you're saying?
	You're not running around like a chick with no head, right?
	It's beautiful.
	That's the Buddhist call, non-attachment.
	You're not like using up all the drama and all the enzymes in your whole body, creating drama and horror everywhere you go.
	You're just actually living simple and close to God.
	You're living what I thought.
	Right.
	You're just living how God created us.
	You know, when we were a kid, we didn't think about nothing.
	And we just played.
	Weren't we happy?
	Yeah.
	We didn't have all these thoughts.
	Yeah.
	But that's how we're supposed to always live.
	There's your answer.
	That's just what it is.
	That's what God created us.
	You know, how God created us.
	So, well, what you're saying is very interesting because...
	This is how the mind works and how it all works.
	When I say all of it, I'm talking about us and animals.
	We're animals.
	I can look at animals and see us.
	I can see us and see animals.
	That's just how it is.
	We're animals.
	So the way the mind works, because I didn't know about the Buddhist thing, but I get that.
	Basically what you're saying.
	But that's what it is.
	Because the very first thing in thought is identification.
	Right.
	And that's where I was asking you earlier.
	You just told me about something about vision and then words.
	Remember you were going to send me the book?
	Yeah, I'm going to send you that book.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But that's why I was interested because, you know, I can see the systems.
	I kind of, I know it.
	You all know it.
	If you get before words, you can see all this stuff real clearly.
	Yeah.
	So what happens is the way the mind works is the first thing the mind does is identify.
	And that's that vision that you were saying.
	You identify.
	And then...
	You know, then your emotions and instincts kick in and they'll assess what you saw.
	Right.
	So it moves, you know.
	And then that's what we do with words is we keep it running.
	So then after you identify, then you make a decision what you're going to do.
	You're going to run, you're going to stay.
	That's what animals do.
	You know, they identify.
	So a deer is eaten and identify.
	You'll see all that.
	Dogs hear something, they're identifying.
	That's what we do.
	And then they assess the situation and see what kind of action they want to take.
	And then they decide to take action or not take action.
	And that's when they go.
	That's the conclusion.
	I'm going to run.
	I'm going to do it.
	That's how it's supposed to work.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But words that God did not create, I keep saying that because we got to take the value off of words means nothing.
	Words mean nothing.
	Ever.
	You know, that's the reason that we're all messed up.
	It's because of words.
	And we make them so important.
	And our emotions, we make our emotions react to words.
	Don't live with words.
	Live with what you feel.
	That's where it is.
	That's God.
	And you know what you feel.
	Anyway, so yeah, I see that in that Buddhist thing.
	That's nice to hear, because to me, that's exactly how it is.
	It's true.
	I don't attach to thoughts.
	I mean, now, when you ask me if I have negative thoughts, of course I do.
	I'm human.
	But now when they come in, I go, oh, that's a thought.
	I don't attach anymore.
	It passes through, like they say, water off a duck's back.
	It goes on to the next one, and I recognize that mechanism now.
	I see it.
	Thoughts come through storytelling.
	If you just let it kind of flow through, it doesn't affect you as much.
	Well, what I do...
	It's fascinating stuff.
	Yeah, what I do with thought, I never let it go past two or three.
	I absolutely don't give a shit.
	Can I say shit on this?
	Of course you can say anything.
	Well, shit, well, fuck then.
	Yeah, fuck then.
	No, but what?
	You don't let it go past three?
	No, my goal is to not let it go past three.
	I like that.
	Sometimes it goes to four or five.
	But I pull it back.
	Because I know four or five doesn't damage me.
	But I never let it go to the nth degree because it'll never happen.
	To me, I don't want to say this about anybody, but I would have to be stupid to know if I think negative thoughts to the nth degree ain't going to happen and I still do it?
	Yeah.
	Stupid.
	It's a waste of time.
	That's kind of stupid, isn't it?
	And all you got to do...
	Yeah, it is stupid.
	It takes up your whole life.
	But all you got to do is ask yourself, honestly, deal with God, your real truth.
	Now, this is important.
	We have two truths.
	That's a whole other thing.
	I got a lot of stuff to share with you.
	We're just talking about words.
	Man, this is so much.
	But your real truth is God.
	Yes.
	Well, it's the God that you don't tell anybody about.
	That's right.
	And not your kids, not your wife.
	That's right.
	Because they'll lock you up.
	What?
	No, no.
	Yeah, they will.
	No, no.
	They locked me up for it.
	But let me ask you a question.
	Yeah, they did lock me up for it.
	But, okay.
	Well, I don't know what it is, but all I'm saying is that...
	That, you know, your real truth is that's God between you and God.
	That's right.
	And then you have this false truth.
	Now, I think I lost my spot.
	I'm sorry.
	No, I get excited.
	You said you don't tell people about it.
	It's a personal relationship with God.
	You said the God inside that you don't tell nobody about.
	Yeah, yeah, but it was a purpose I said that.
	My mind was just going, I got excited.
	You went to four.
	So anyway, so where else?
	He said you went to four.
	Oh, one to four.
	That's where we were at.
	Yeah, so if you let it run to the nth degree, then it's, you know, so only thing a person has to do is ask themselves, and that's where I was talking about.
	I mean, use your God truth and answer.
	No plan around.
	You cannot play with God.
	God is pure.
	You can't, you have to be 200% honest in living life, really.
	That's what the thing is.
	You got to be honest anyway.
	But with God, when you're communicating with God, God knows anyway.
	Right.
	Because that's the thing.
	So all you have to do to evaluate, this is so important with negative thought because a lot of people, you know, they want to kind of get a handle on this.
	Yeah.
	And all you got to do is ask yourself, honestly, any time in your life, entire life, That you've gone negative to the nth degree.
	Did it ever come true exactly like you thought it was?
	Because you committed yourself that this is exactly how it's going to happen.
	And if that answer is no, it never has, then it makes no sense to go there.
	And I know that.
	I never do that.
	And what I do is...
	This is what it is because we're champions.
	We were born champions.
	I love you so much.
	I just met Roseanne today personally, but I've loved her so many years and respected her so much because she is a champion.
	We're all born champions.
	Every one of us are champions, but people don't live up to that.
	They don't accept that.
	We never met, but when I saw you throughout the years, I knew what was going on.
	I said, she's a champion.
	Yeah.
	And I love that because you recognize that.
	And we all are champions.
	And so, you know, you got to do your best.
	I get carried away.
	I'm so excited.
	I get, you know.
	This is my first podcast, so I'm like floating and thinking.
	No, you did great.
	You did great.
	But anyway.
	You're a light turning on the whole room.
	No, you can feel it around you.
	You're electric, for sure.
	Oh, well, thank you.
	We talked on the phone the other day, and I called my mom right after.
	I was like, I just love this person.
	I could just tell.
	I don't know what it is.
	I could tell just in five or ten seconds.
	Oh, thank you.
	It's just an energy you give.
	It's a God energy.
	It is.
	It is.
	It's like when you're not trying to be smarter than God, all of a sudden things make some sense.
	No, it's God.
	I mean, in my past, nobody could think more negative than me in my past.
	Yeah.
	But then I have a change.
	I might challenge you on that.
	Oh, okay.
	You might too.
	We all do.
	Yeah.
	We just don't tell nobody.
	Yeah.
	You see what I mean?
	Yeah.
	Listen here.
	We do some stuff.
	You know, we think stuff.
	We don't tell anybody.
	That's the real truth.
	But God knows that truth, and that's your connection to God.
	That's what you have, and that's what we all have.
	We all have that.
	And what we show people is the false truth.
	It's truth because it's close to God, and we know it's not too far over the line, little white lines, little stuff.
	That's the mask, and that's how we operate.
	But you see, when people are truthful, They let people into their real truth.
	And that's why I think great comedians, I mean yourself, Richard Pryor, because you're truthful.
	So you're letting us into that God level, you see?
	And people connect to that.
	Because that takes guts to do that.
	Because people don't do that.
	It takes a lot of pain, you know?
	It does.
	I'm going to be real honest about the fact that I went down that way.
	You know, but we all did.
	And the important thing is we came back to talk about it.
	That's what's so great about comedy.
	We came back from the lowest place to make fun of it.
	Because you're a champion.
	Yeah.
	You're a champion.
	Yeah.
	And you, as a champion, I'm going to say this, I've been cussed, right?
	Uh-huh.
	A champion can't give a fuck.
	Yeah, I don't care.
	You can't.
	You can't give a fuck.
	Especially if you know you're walking with God, you're doing it in the right spirit, who cares what anyone thinks about any of it?
	Because you can't care, and that makes you strong, because you're doing the right thing by God.
	And you know what the truth is, and that's it.
	But that, to me, is a thing.
	Well, this is some hardcore truth that you put down here, laid out for us in the book.
	Living Life Before Words.
	Yeah, where can we get the book?
	Can I just say in conclusion on this?
	I just want to say you've laid out some beautiful things and I want you to come back and let's go deeper and deeper because I know we didn't even get into the mother stuff.
	That's what I was going to talk to you about.
	I want to go to the mother stuff.
	I want to go to it too.
	I do want to say because to me I'm just women.
	Crazy, right?
	The greatest creation of God.
	What'd you say?
	They're crazy, right?
	They're everything.
	They're all.
	I know.
	So, you know, I think the world has to recognize women because women is God's extension on earth to me.
	You know, doing God's miracles on earth, what women do, and their importance to all of us.
	We have to remember one thing.
	Without women...
	There would be none of us in the world.
	That's how important women are.
	And women create not only women, but women create men.
	So, who's the greatest creation of God?
	The creator that creates everything.
	The women and men.
	Well, of course.
	Will you bring the mic a little closer?
	Well, of course they say...
	I mean, one of those old sayings is, God couldn't be every place, so he created grandmothers, I think.
	Or maybe it said mothers.
	But, you know, I mean, just that urge to protect more than your own self.
	It is so divine.
	And, you know, it comes from mothers and fathers, too.
	But they're really doing all they can to tear down the woman.
	I think that's key to them trying to tear down the soul.
	It's tearing down the mother, you know?
	Well, you know, I look at it like...
	I hear exactly what you're saying.
	You know, we're saying there that I don't give...
	When you're dealing with God, it's God is going to present what God presents.
	And to me, it's an awareness.
	Women are the strongest and the most important creation of God.
	So I think that...
	And I think a lot of women don't really recognize that.
	Oh, they do, but they're afraid to.
	They're afraid to what?
	They're afraid to take the responsibility that that will make them take.
	To go, oh my, I am responsible for this much and I have to do it.
	That's a big bite.
	What responsibility do you think that they're going to have?
	Women, if they would own up to what they're capable of, well, they would know that they've got to fix the whole world.
	And quick.
	Interesting.
	And that they're capable of doing so.
	Okay, you're talking about them in the sense of taking on a role to clean up the mess of what's going on?
	Yeah, to take care of all the kids that are suffering in the world.
	One.
	This is interesting because my thing is, first of all, See, when Live Life Before Words, that's why I want to come back if I can, to talk about women because it deserves 100 hours.
	But if you look at, it's important for women to first understand their power because they control it all right now.
	All.
	They control it, but they don't know that they control it.
	Well, they do, but through a back door.
	They know that things have to have women to make them go, but they don't look at what is the thing we're enabling to go.
	Okay, and you know what?
	I'm separating two things.
	Okay.
	Because we're talking about kind of a society structure with women, kind of where they go and what they do.
	Well, I'm just talking about the world being so close to blowing up.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Out of idiocy.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	See, I'm not talking politically yet.
	What are you talking?
	I'm talking about spiritually.
	Well, that goes first, right?
	But it's separate.
	In other words, you know, there's an awareness of the importance of women and who they are and why.
	And how, in the book, it's in my book, actually.
	It's in my book.
	And basically, it's saying how the purpose of women's creation.
	And the purpose of man's creation and how important women are and how she is an extension of God on earth.
	I know, it's hilarious.
	Yeah, so...
	We have gardeners outside that are screaming.
	I think we're okay.
	I'm trying to hear her.
	I think we're okay.
	Well, we can hear them, but whatever.
	So, anyway, it's...
	To me, and I love being a man.
	I'm not taking nothing from men, because I love being a man.
	But I know my purpose for being created.
	And women, it's just obvious how great they are.
	Because I think once women and men see...
	Who women really are and why.
	And I'm just a presenter.
	If what I present to you makes sense, you take it.
	If it doesn't, it's fine.
	Just live whatever.
	No, it's the truth.
	I can hear it.
	Yeah, so if it's the truth, I just want to look at it, but I want to lay it out.
	Yeah.
	And so that's the woman part.
	But to me, they should be appreciated, adored, respected, honored.
	I look forward to that day.
	Well, you know, in some circles that is, but you know, it's so tied into the God thing.
	What do you mean?
	Well, I mean, they keep, you know, the silencing of women as a gifted being, that all plays into the words game too, right?
	It's into society.
	There's an animal life.
	And then there's a society with human, with words.
	So everything that we're talking about now is here.
	That's why it's messed up.
	Why is it messed up?
	Because of the words.
	Over here, there are no words.
	You can see how God created woman to create all of God's children.
	All of God's children come from women.
	We're talking about God's children.
	Where do they come from?
	Women.
	That's how powerful women are.
	And so we can never find it over here.
	You said something about the Tower of Bible with the words that are confusing.
	Well, isn't that what's happening here?
	And not one word means the same to anyone else.
	You can say one word and depending on that person's relationship with that word throughout their life.
	That word will mean something different to everyone else.
	And then they get in wars like going, you didn't, because I went through this, where they go, you did not mean what you say you meant.
	You meant what I say you meant because I come from this group that's against you on here and there and there and this word.
	I own this word.
	Words.
	Yeah.
	Keep you confused.
	So we're having a conversation about women, but we're using words.
	Living life before words is looking at a woman as God created us to live without words.
	And it's very simple to see.
	And woman, most magnificent creature of God.
	Like you can see in a family.
	You see what I'm saying, Jake?
	We see.
	Because we think about like when we're with our family and you just watch what the...
	Women are doing.
	They're not doing a lot.
	I mean, they do talk a lot.
	But, you know, but what they're doing to create the food, to bring people together, all that stuff is the not, that's the God part, right?
	That's what you're saying.
	It's the nature.
	Oh, it's more than that.
	But that's just a part of it in the family.
	That's the nature.
	She's always serving and getting people together, getting them to talk, showing love with her hands.
	Her nature, yes.
	Her beautiful, beautiful nature.
	It's the glue.
	I mean, look it.
	Y'all do so much in the umbilical, when we're in the womb.
	I mean, you're creating miracles in the womb.
	Yeah.
	I mean, golly.
	No, it's amazing.
	I mean, listen, guys in that process ain't doing much.
	They just have a little, you know, to do the thing, and then they're done.
	Well, even the woman ain't doing that much.
	No, but it ain't even the woman doing it.
	It's a God doing it.
	She's just got the ball.
	God's doing it all.
	He made the flashlight.
	You know what they say?
	I just saw this thing.
	Did you see it when the sperm?
	Goes in and impregnates the egg, a little flashlight comes out.
	I am sure.
	Inside of where?
	In the egg.
	Inside of whom?
	The lady.
	The woman.
	But that's God acting in the woman's body.
	It's all God.
	It's all God, yeah.
	Yeah, so it's all God.
	I think a lot of women are like, I created a human being.
	I sewed its little fingers together and its little feet.
	Well, no you didn't.
	That was God.
	It's all God.
	But who's doing the work for the miracle?
	The woman.
	That's my point.
	It's all God.
	But woman.
	Labor.
	Literal labor.
	She's amazing.
	And women should be adored and appreciated.
	Because...
	From your lips to God's ear, that's what I'm saying.
	I'm so glad you're saying these things.
	They need to be heard and I'm glad a man is saying it.
	It's in the book and it comes from the beginning to where we are and why.
	Where can we get the book?
	You can get it at b4words.com.
	Letter B. Oh, it's B-E-F-O-R-E. Words.
	Words.
	Dot com.
	Dot com.
	Yeah.
	B-F-O-R-E. Yeah.
	Everybody read that and then let's talk about it some more.
	Yeah, no.
	It's a new level.
	I love it.
	No, thank you.
	You're bringing out a whole new level of stuff.
	A whole new way to look at a whole new thing we've been looking at for a long time.
	But you're bringing a whole new wrinkle in time to it.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate it so much.
	And I'm so happy to have you here.
	I'm so excited to be reading more of your book.
	Thank you.
	And I love being here.
	And I thank you.
	And I thank Jake.
	Well, we just love you.
	I love you too.
	We are so happy to have had you here.
	Spreading out some wisdom out there.
	I'm so happy that you had me on.
	Yeah, I am too.
	And you're my first.
	Oh, good.
	And you did great.
	You got a future in podcasting.
	You did great.
	Yeah, you did great.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate it.
	Now you'll never be afraid of a crazy podcaster again because you would already broke all that ice.
	Nah, thank you.
	And you're beautiful too.
	Thank you so much.
	You're so sweet.
	Alright.
	Can I sing the outro with you?
	Yeah, let's do it.
	Oh yeah, you can sing too?
	I can sing.
	Okay, one, two, three.

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