"Ain't Nobody Good" with Jesse Lee Peterson | The Roseanne Barr Podcast #79
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Greetings Earthlings, humans, and whatever else you got.
I'm glad you're here.
And especially animals.
I love animals because they're way smarter than humans.
As you know, I always say, because they don't need to lie to themselves.
It's really an incredible thing.
They've got the leg up on all of us.
But anyway, welcome to the Roseanne Barr Podcast.
Today we have a great show that I've really been excited about and looking forward to.
We got a great, I don't know how to explain it, one of a kind person who's not afraid of anything.
And I admire, respect, and enjoy his friendship.
Jesse Lee Peterson.
Hi, Jesse.
Hi.
Amazing to be here.
Yeah.
I can't believe it.
Why not?
And I gotta say, I just had some sweet potato pie, folks.
It was so good.
Oh, you're lying.
No, I'm serious.
Makes you want to slap your mama.
I was surprised that you can make sweet potato pie because you're not black.
Yeah, I know.
And you're not white.
You're Jewish.
Yeah.
How does Jewish people know how to make sweet potato pie?
Well, I told you my sister was married to a black person for 15 years.
I'm sorry to hear that.
It was a woman, too.
Lesbian.
It was a black lesbian.
Oh, God.
And she had four children.
And so my sister was participating in...
Growing those kids, you know, raising them.
And so I, you know, would go over there all the time.
Me and my sister are very close, and I was very close to the family and learned a lot of good cooking tips there.
And I told you, it was just down the street from Pam Greer.
Oh, yeah.
I remember you saying that.
When we did meet up, we were both famous.
She'd be like, we used to wonder why you guys were in our neighborhood.
Oh!
But yeah, it all turned out well and all those kids are good.
Nice.
Yeah.
So I did learn to cook.
But I don't think I cooked it long enough, you have to admit.
I had to put it back in the oven because it wasn't airy enough.
Well, anyone that knows me, they know I love sweet potato pie.
And I don't like pumpkin pie at all.
I don't either.
And so any way that I eat sweet potato, whether it's a pie or candy yams or whatever, I love sweet potato pie.
I do too.
So, it was delicious.
Oh, thank you very much.
Thank you, really.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
I said, I know you're going to say it's good because you're such a nice person.
You're going to say it's good no matter what.
No, if it wasn't, I was telling you, I would say, oh, I need more sugar or whatever, right?
Oh, cool.
Yeah, I bet you would.
Yeah, but it was really, really good.
Oh, thank you.
Yeah, it really, really was.
Well, I'm happy to have you here today.
I'm going to take some on my radio show tomorrow.
Okay.
I put it back in the oven for an extra, because when I cut it, it wasn't a smooth, clean spatula there.
So yeah, you'll take it to your radio show.
Absolutely.
That's amazing.
And eat it with the affection that I made it for you with.
I will.
Believe me.
Now, you're nothing but a troublemaker, are you?
You know, when I was growing up, I was a little kid, I used to always question everything.
And I remember once one of my aunts who, she got mad at me because I questioned her or something.
And she's like, boy, and I was like seven or eight, maybe six years old.
She's like, one day your mouth is going to get you in trouble.
I got that.
And I remember that forever.
And now I realize why she said it.
But I don't try to do trouble or create trouble.
I'm just really being me.
I'm just being Jesse and doing what I do.
But it seems to bring on trouble sometimes, but I don't try to create trouble.
Isn't that amazing?
Well, it seems as if...
The way I look at my life, too, I don't try, but it just always happens.
And it happens because I can't keep my opinion to myself.
In the marketplace of opinions, I feel like, hey, nobody's saying what I know about the people I know, so somebody has to, so I guess it's going to be me.
Especially nowadays, people are afraid to tell the truth.
They're afraid to be called names.
They're afraid of what they might lose or whatever.
So far, I don't have that problem.
If I lose something, it wasn't meant to be anyway.
I really, really, really just love what's right.
I just love the truth.
I've been that way all my life, too.
I just love the truth.
Me too.
Doesn't it make you so happy when you find the truth?
It really does.
Especially if you have to search a long time for it.
Absolutely.
I don't think, most people don't understand the freedom that comes with truth.
I was telling my congregation the other day to drop all their morals and values, to drop them, because I realized that the Christians are enslaved by their morals and values, because they have a bunch of ideas about morals and values, and they judge themselves as other people based on their ideas.
But if you got rid of all your ideas about God and about morals and values, Then you can be a free person and you can live the way he want you to live.
You will live free.
But as long as you have ideas about what's right, what's wrong, what's this and that, you're just living a bunch of ideas and ideas are not reality.
No, they're not reality.
They're not reality.
They're like, we don't even know where they come from, do we?
They're out of hell.
I agree.
They're straight out of the imagination.
And all thoughts, except practical thoughts, of course, what you want for dinner, you want to build a house, how to work.
Well, all thoughts are all lies all the time, and all human beings, until they start to overcome it, they live by their imagination.
And God tells us to Not to do that.
He said, your thoughts are not my thoughts.
Your ways are not my ways.
So bring every thought into captivity.
They're all lies.
But most people live by that, and they're living hard, mess-up lives because of it.
What a mess.
What a mess.
But what about basic truths?
I mean, if we give up, you know, you give up your preconceived thoughts about stuff, and, you know, You're taking your thoughts and your morals from a corrupt foundation or institution that traffics in children, right?
So I agree with you on that, but what about the basic rights and wrongs?
Do we know those?
If we live by our imagination, we don't know it.
Because of ourself, we know nothing.
Of ourself, we can do nothing.
So we really don't know what's right.
It's all based on what we've been taught or told.
But when we get away from the imagination, then we're going to live.
We will become what's right, and we will live what's right.
Because in order to be right, in order to do right, you got to be right.
And so we got to be right first, and then you can't help but do right.
But if you're not right, the things you think are right are not right, because it's based on ego.
It's not true.
I agree with that, because I always say, we may not win, but we're right.
That's right.
Absolutely.
And then it occurred to me along the way, the rocky road I took, that the right idea at the right time with the right people in the right place It can't be stopped.
That's right.
Absolutely.
And that's what I love about the truth.
It can't be stopped.
It cannot be.
Truth will always overcome the lie.
It will always overcome evil.
And I don't want to just jump into it, but the great white hope, Donald Trump.
Oh, and he won.
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Congratulations.
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I knew that I was concerned that the Democrats would try to steal it in some kind of way.
Oh yeah, we all were, yeah.
So I was concerned, but I can feel it in the air everywhere that he was going to win.
And one of the reasons I was for sure is that I would run into so many black people Who really loved Donald Trump.
Oh, yeah.
In spite of how they were attacked by Obama, the Father Messiah, Big Mama and all them, Michelle, there were a whole bunch of black people like, uh-uh, I'm for Trump, I'm for Trump.
And I had not seen that before in a long time.
Me either, and that was a big thing for me, too.
We'll talk about that in a while, but yeah, because it was like black liberation.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah, absolutely.
It was amazing.
And I said that in 2016 and 2020 because I have people on the inside that kind of tell me stuff because, you know, I'm a nosy old woman.
I stick my nose in everybody's business.
That's right.
Because I have the right.
I'm old.
I'm 72. What else am I going to do, right?
That's right.
But they were saying, in fact, it was Cynthia McKinney, who I was telling you has been a friend for a while, years, and she said in Georgia, she knows that this was in, what was it, 2016, that Trump won big and he won black in Georgia in 2016. But then she's like, you know what?
And then in 2020, she's like, you know those votes that got thrown out in Georgia and those Democrat states were black votes from black districts that voted for Trump.
I mean, people are not aware of the onslaught against the black community.
I know.
By the...
I say billionaire socialists.
That don't make any sense, right?
They want to keep the blacks on the plantation of the Democratic Party.
And the beauty is, because of social media and other avenues where blacks can hear about the situation, they can hear about the truth for themselves.
They don't have to totally rely on the mainstream media to tell them what's happening or how to think.
They're starting to really see it for themselves, and it's making a great difference.
A great bit different.
Well, you know, I feel like black people saved America.
Yeah.
They did.
Yeah.
They really did.
They really did.
And then they saw how the Democratic Party is kind of kicking them to the curb for the illegal aliens, you know, and putting them first.
I know in Chicago, the blacks are angry at the mayor of Chicago right now because he's putting these illegal aliens up in apartments and free money and free phones and free everything.
And the blacks are like, what about us?
What about us?
What about us?
And the mayor, Brandon Johnson, I think his name is, is giving them the finger.
And they're not happy about that.
I know.
They're not happy at all.
Everybody's waking up.
But they did that for so many decades to black people.
Absolutely.
And I guess they just felt like they were never going to get caught or called out.
Right.
Because they always have their shock troops that they call out to...
You know, calm or pacify everybody.
Right.
And despite the horrors that they continue to inflict on the black community.
Yeah.
And those are horrors.
They're genocidal horrors.
Exactly.
And then bringing in these people from, you know, Prisons in Venezuela and stuff.
They're sending them to black areas.
Absolutely.
And you know, it seems like it's a deepening genocide on black America.
It is.
I've been saying for a long time that when they first realized, I first realized they were letting all these illegals come in, and they were bringing in gang members and everything, and it got so bad in South Central at one time that And it still is, that the black gangs were fighting against the illegal gangs, and it was a major war.
It is war.
People said it's worse than some parts of Lebanon back in the day.
Absolutely.
And the illegal gangs are sponsored by drug lawyers out of Mexico and those places.
So they had more money, they had more weapons.
It was a mess.
But what was interesting to me is that The so-called black leadership, and the media were not reporting that.
They wanted to give the impression that blacks and Hispanic and everybody just were getting along when it really wasn't true.
Well, like in American prisons, that's warfare there between Mexican gangs and black gangs, right?
It's a mess.
And white gangs.
Yeah.
No, it's a mess.
Yeah.
What a mess.
It is a mess.
How are we going to fix it?
Well, beside Donald Trump.
I was about to say the great white hope.
That really pisses people off when you say that.
I love it.
I know.
They were like, you call him the great white hope.
He's not a great white hope.
I'm like, yes, he is.
Well, why do you call him the great white hope?
I said, well, he is the president.
He's great at what he does.
I mean, the first time he was in, he did amazing work in spite of the people that fought against him.
He'd make America great again, and he's white.
So he's the great white hope.
They don't like that.
You know, what do they say?
75% of American Jews voted for the...
What did I call her?
The hoochie gal.
And, you know, they...
I guess they are angry at me like some black people are angry at you for what we say, you know?
And...
Because I always go, oh, he's just the...
the best thing that ever happened to the Jews.
And he's the best thing that ever happened to women.
And they're like, what?
You know, they just go off.
But he is.
Because he's really defending.
And you know how they go, well, he's this and grab him by the, you know, and all that.
But look at these women he's put in positions of power.
Absolutely.
You know, that's never been done before.
That's exciting.
And he's taken up for our ally, Israel, instead of, you know, defending Hamas.
That's a switch.
It's going to upend everything that's been shoved down our throat for the last 10 years, I guess, and longer.
Especially, like, why did they put Obama in there?
What the hell was up with that?
The white people voted for Obama because they thought that if they voted for Obama, a black guy, that black people would know that they were not against them.
They thought the black people would know that they loved them because they voted for Obama.
But that didn't work.
Because you can't change a person's heart By giving them material things, whether it's a president or whatever.
You change the heart by encouraging people to drop the anger, overcome anger, right?
That's the only way you can change it.
So white people need to understand that black people are not going to love them just because they cater to them.
You got to change the heart.
You got to change that anger.
Then they will see for themselves who their enemies are and who their friends are.
Isn't that true for every color human?
Because when I listen to you talk about anger, it really struck home with me because if I didn't have my anger, I don't know if I would have had anything else, you know?
But letting go of it and recognizing when you were saying this had been years now, it really struck home because I was addicted to it.
I let it build and build so it'd get real big.
Yeah.
Instead of just going, you know, I don't like it when you do that without anger.
That's right.
But I'd like martyr myself up, you know, until I could just go off like a volcano and feel justified.
Yeah.
And it ruins everything.
Yeah.
Anger is pure evil.
Yeah.
It's evil.
And anger is not of God.
Even God said, I did not give you a spirit of anger.
That came from hell.
It came from Satan.
And anger is evil.
And that's why if you notice, anyone that has anger, very destructive.
They don't get along with their families.
They don't get along with their friends.
They're depressed.
They are suicidal.
They are lonely.
They are revengeful.
They gossip.
They're just unhappy people because they have the spirit of anger.
But once you forgive, And realize you're wrong for being angry.
God will take the spirit of anger away and you will have a perfect life.
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You'll be able to deal with any situation without overreaction.
You'll be able to speak up.
And if someone likes you, fine.
If they don't, fine.
And you will love all people, even your enemy.
You'll speak up and deal with people, but you will not hate because you have love.
And you will love human beings in the same manner that God does.
He doesn't judge us.
He loves us.
It doesn't mean he won't deal with us, but he loves us.
That's why we have to let go of the spirit of anger.
It destroys children.
It destroys everything because there's no love in it.
You got to let it go.
You must forgive.
It's a mind blower.
And to think about, yeah, if everybody just worked on their own anger.
Yes.
The world would start to take a different shape and it would be a lot better than going out in the street yelling at people because you're mad.
But isn't it just something that an impotent person does?
A person who feels powerless?
Well, anyone who has anger lacks power.
Oh yeah, I love that one.
Anyone that has it.
Real power is in perfect love.
It's not in anger.
And I hear people tell me all the time, oh, I need the anger.
Everybody's anger.
It's human nature.
It may be human nature, but it's not God's nature.
And that's why we must overcome it.
And...
Some people love their anger.
They feel like they need it, but they don't.
They don't understand.
It's their enemy, and they have no power at all.
And that's why they fight so hard to have power, because they have none.
In anger, you have no power at all.
Well, I watched you.
You were going, where were you?
You were somewhere where there was people...
And a whole bunch of liberals were telling you, you shouldn't be down there.
Yeah.
Oh, you were talking about, I think you were talking about the crime with the immigrants or something.
Right.
The lady came up and she's like, you need to go or something.
And I was like, I want to see how he handles what he does.
And it was pretty amazing to watch you because you weren't angry at all, but you were dangerously assertive.
It was a whole other thing.
You said you were like, Kind of king-like, but your attitude was anyway, but you said, are you saying that I, as a black man, can't stand here?
Is that what you're saying?
I remember that, yeah.
You know, she had never heard...
Right.
She had never heard that.
Right.
She was white.
She had never heard that in that tone.
Yeah.
And it was very powerful.
So you don't get angry.
You're just...
How would you categorize...
How you did that, because it was so powerful.
Well, when you don't have anger, you're always present right now where God is.
You're present instead of being lost in your imagination, thinking about the past or the future.
And in perfect love, you don't operate from emotions.
All these negative emotions disappear.
And so you see that you're dealing with your enemy, you're dealing with evil, and it's not the person per se, but you see the evil that's driving them.
And you know that they can't help themselves.
You have the understanding, and nothing like understanding, but you have the understanding that they can't help themselves.
So it's not personal.
So you deal with the evil in the person.
They may not realize that that's what's happening, but you see.
And in that, you can't get angry at them because you know it's not them.
It's something that made a home in them, in their imagination.
Exactly.
I think that too, because it's like, you know how it says, our enemy isn't human, it's principalities and all that.
So I can see when a person is tripped up and captive.
Yes.
And so I thought for a long time, how do I get in there?
How do I get in there, just give a little crack right in the head so some light gets in, you know?
You could do it with jokes sometimes.
When you're not angry, you have a lot of jokes.
And they just come from everywhere.
I don't know where they come from.
Because you're not taking anything personal.
And what I realized when you don't have anger, things that used to be really special.
Seem to be important to you when you're angry are totally unimportant now when you're not angry.
Because when you're angry, you want to win, right?
Right.
You want to destroy the other person and be right and win.
Absolutely.
There can't be no, what do you call it, where it's all resolved and everything's okay.
Right.
That's right.
But when you don't have the anger, you're not trying to win.
You're really just being you.
You're just being yourself.
And you're allowing the truth to work on your behalf.
You're not at war with that person at all.
You mentioned the good versus evil, right?
So the spirit of good is working through you to deal with the spirit of evil inside the person.
The person might not realize, but that's what's going on.
You've got to drop that anger.
I do a lot of counseling with men and women around the world.
And it's shocking, really, to be honest, the things that evil is causing people to do.
It's amazing what it made people do.
And they don't realize that it's not them, but it's just principality.
It's the evil inside of them.
But it is having a devastating effect on human beings like I've never seen before.
And it's all because they won't drop the anger.
And most people won't drop their anger because they love They just love thrills.
They love their misery.
They don't want you to tell them to forgive.
They like that adrenaline rush too.
Absolutely.
They're kind of addicted to them chemicals.
Absolutely.
And they'll do anything to get it.
Whatever it means, they'll do it.
So you just have to leave them in their hell because only a few people are going to find that straight and narrow path that leads to life.
And most people are going to go by the wayside.
They love their misery.
They really love it.
I have to agree.
72 years I've seen it.
They'll choose it.
Like I said, they're so addicted to BS. They're BS addicts.
I'm not swearing because you're here.
I'm going to be a lady.
It's amazing to watch.
Yeah, they rather take their BS over their own kids' lives.
Absolutely.
It's shocking and horrible.
It is.
This is mothers.
I'm talking about mothers.
Yeah.
You always say women are the real angry ones.
Yes.
And that's because the God above is the man's God, and the God below is the woman's God.
I never heard that one.
Can you move in?
Now, where did you hear that one?
When you read Genesis, it's right in there.
Oh, you mean because of Eve getting with the snake?
Yes.
Oh, that makes sense.
Because before Eve came along, Adam and God had an amazing relationship.
The son loved the father.
The son obeyed the father.
The father and the son spoke without words.
They just knew the truth, right?
And then God...
You know what?
I'm tired of creating men with my hands.
I'm tired of using them from the dust.
I'm going to make a woman so that men and women can get together and make some babies that way.
And that way he doesn't have to do it with his hands.
And then he said that when I do it that way, They're going to decide if they love me or not.
I'm not going to force them to love me.
If they love me, they're going to be fine if not fine, right?
So he created the woman.
Yeah.
So it was...
Okay, I'm going to ask you some questions that keep going.
And so he created the woman so that man and woman can get married and make babies.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then one day...
Eve was at the grocery store.
She went over to the market.
She wanted some candy yams and collard greens for dinner.
Right.
Okras.
You ever had okra?
Yeah.
Oh my god.
I remember when I was in Alabama, my grandmother used to make okra and collard greens and cornbread.
I used to eat it with my hand.
I'm mashing it all up together with the Corbett.
Oh, I can taste it now.
But anyway, so Eve was at the market, and long story short, she saw Satan at the market.
And he was like, hey, Eve, how you doing?
He was like, I'm doing fine.
How's your husband?
Oh, he's fine.
And so he was like, why are you listening to that man?
He could be your own woman.
Don't listen to him.
And then she's like...
You're talking about the snake?
Yeah.
So he's at the grocery store too?
Yeah.
Okay.
I just want to follow this.
You saw him at the grocery store.
Okay, yeah.
Yeah.
And she was like, get away from me.
I love my husband.
I'm going to obey my husband.
And he was like, no, you can be free too.
You can be like a man if you want, right?
So she went home and told Adam, I saw him.
The serpent at the grocery store, and he tried to turn me against you.
And I was like, you stay away from the serpent.
Don't listen to him.
Don't have any communication with him at all.
And so she said, okay.
And then she went back another day to get some more groceries.
And this time she got some eggs and bacon and stuff like that.
And so I saw her again, and she said, And he asked, are you still with that man?
She's like, yeah.
I love him.
I'm with him.
He was like, well, you know what?
Look how he listened to his father.
He's not even his own man.
He listened to his father.
He doesn't even think for himself, right?
And she was like, the serpent was like, you could be free like that.
You could take your bra.
You could be a man.
You could go to work.
And she was like, oh, that sounds interesting.
And she believed the serpent.
And the moment she believed the serpent, she could no longer believe her husband.
She could no longer obey him.
She could no longer believe him.
And when she went back home, she felt like a god.
She felt over the man.
She felt, I'm not going to obey you anymore.
Adam's like, Eve, Eve, what have you done?
She said, well, I saw Satan today, and he told me I could be just like you.
And you listen to your father, so I shouldn't be listening to you.
And once she did that, Satan became her god, and she could no longer obey her husband.
And so Satan became her God.
But then what happened was one day, long story short, she finally convinced Adam to listen to her.
She's like, don't listen to your daddy.
Your daddy, he's trying to control you.
And he believed the woman.
And the woman became the man's God.
And that's why men are subject to women.
Yeah, well, I see that one's true.
Yeah, while women are subject to Satan.
So evil comes through the woman.
Well, that kind of goes along with my, you know, the lesbian witches control everything thing.
But you know what?
Okay, wait.
Now I have some problems, so we're going to talk in a minute.
If God did that, he put her in touch with the snake, right?
Well, he didn't put her in touch.
She made him at the market.
Well, but he told her to go to the market.
The husband did.
The husband did?
Yeah.
Adam, you know how she was...
Well, is she a...
She went to get some food to make for dinner.
I know, but so is she the punishment on Adam?
She is...
Well, Adam, she became Adam God.
And so then Adam became...
So she's held to pay for Adam.
Yeah.
He became subject to the woman while she became subject to evil, to Satan.
She became a God.
Did God outsource her?
Because you said he didn't want to use his hands anymore.
So was he being lazy when he brought the woman?
Well, the reason he wanted, he made the man and the woman to have the children because he wanted mankind to love him freely.
Because Adam didn't have any choice but to love him.
When he made him from the dust of the earth, right?
But he wanted us to love him freely.
And so by allowing the child to come to the woman, the baby, the person can decide if they want to love God or not.
Free will.
Yeah.
He can decide that.
So that's why he did it that way.
Well, I can sort of agree with how you're saying it.
But I see it a little different.
I think what the serpent said to her is he said, Your husband needs you to direct him because he's kind of lazy.
That's all I say.
Yeah.
You know, you've got to direct him and tell him because he's kind of not as smart as you.
You're the one with the brains.
But you're going to have to do it in a kind of a backward way and be seductive about it because, you know, And he definitely lied to him.
He lied to him, but he was...
But it's your job to make sure your husband keeps getting money.
More and more and more of it.
And you gotta keep pushing him, because you're gonna have a lot of kids that he has to take care of.
What a mess.
Yeah, but that's what I... So we're not far off on that.
Well, it's still the same lie, you know, because before everything was fine.
They didn't have to work.
Well, they didn't have no kids.
They had fun, though.
And then...
And bills to pay.
And if you know that men are subject to women today, men are afraid of women.
Oh, I know that.
I have two sons.
I know.
I'm terrified of women.
Yeah.
That's why you got to forgive your mother so that God can forgive you.
I have forgiven her, but she's the woman I'm most terrified of.
Right.
And so men end up marrying their mama.
You know, every woman they get involved with has the same spirit as their mother because you're attracted to what you hate.
And so the cycle goes on from generation to generation until somebody decides, you know what?
Well, don't men hate?
I think men...
Don't like their mom.
They hate their mother.
Well, they have every right to in some ways because their mom's a violent, crazy B-word.
She recreates them in her image.
I mean, these women are just horrible to their kids.
They have no love.
No.
They have no love.
On my show, you should hear some of the stories that I get from people when they call the show.
I do hear.
About what their mothers are doing to them.
But they have played a trick on men and they have made it look like it's the man who is the problem, but it's really coming through the woman.
And the men are weak and they don't understand.
They got to forgive their mothers so that God can forgive them.
And he will return them back to the father.
And once they return to the father, they'll be fine.
But they got to forgive their mothers for turning them away from the fathers and forgive their fathers for not protecting them from the mother, realizing that the father cannot help it because he married his mother and he didn't know how to deal with her.
Because a lot of women, they know that they can provoke the dad Absolutely.
To beat on the kids if they say, you know, if they're the ones that's mad and they're abusing that kid or those children.
And so they want to let their self off the hook.
Because they're evil or on drugs or a cheater or whatever.
They've got every reason men got.
But when the dad comes home, they'll advocate for him to be violent to their kids to cover for what they do.
Absolutely.
And we never, ever talk about what the women or the moms do.
The bad moms, we never talk about.
And we let them off the hook when they go, oh, well, he hit me and I was scared.
You know, we let them off the hook all the time.
The greatest secret on earth is that the evil is coming through the woman, but they make you think it's coming through the man, and it's not.
And these women, they do cry.
I have a t-shirt now, a brand new t-shirt.
It says, when she's crying, she's lying.
That's so good.
I mean, you know, I... They always cry to cover up their lives.
You know, I would never have believed if I didn't see it for myself with my sons and their friends too.
But I'd be like, I can't believe that, you know, I swear, but I'm like, I can't believe this B word because how she's doing my sons.
And I see it.
Absolutely.
You know, I'll go in there and, you know.
I'm not going to forgive anybody who's mean to my kids.
But I won't hold anger on them.
I just, like, it's okay, time for you to go.
You've got to correct it, but...
I thought a lot of that was American kind of culture the last 20, 30 years.
But you're saying this is like a global...
Honestly, I counsel with men and women around the world.
Even the Middle East, where they're like a little bit more...
Absolutely.
It's a sect.
From Israel all around the world, it's the same spirit.
Mm-hmm.
It's the same.
The complaints are the same.
The situation might be a little different, but the complaints are the same.
The same hell coming through the mother.
I believe it.
It's like that all over the world.
And I didn't know that until I started counseling with people.
And it's all the same.
It's the same spirit.
Well, when you see these people in the street screaming at other people, it's always a woman.
Yes.
I'm like, what the?
Yeah.
Yeah.
With the, you know, frothing at the mouth.
Yeah.
And they're always the first to hit.
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Dr. Steve.
Yeah, he was cool.
I guess he's a big fan of the beam shit, too.
Yeah, we talked about the beam.
But they love that.
He likes the brownie, and I like the salted caramel.
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You know, I never would have seen it.
I would have seen it a thousand times and not registered it.
Right.
Because I was so brainwashed thinking all the men are the ones that are violent and it's just crazy.
I like that we do forget everything we...
I think we know.
Right.
And start over on a clean slate.
Start over on a clean slate.
Because we've been lied to from birth.
The moment we pop out of mama's womb, she start lying to us.
Yeah, by telling you you're cute.
If I tell you you're the cutest, I was so mad at my family.
Because they told me I was better than Shirley Temple when I was just little and dancing around.
Do my Shirley Temple impersonations.
And they said, oh, you're better than Shirley Temple.
And I didn't believe they would lie to me, but they did.
The moment you pop out, the lies start.
And so you grow up with all these...
You grew up with all these lies, but they only enslave you.
Yeah, they do.
They don't make you free, right?
But when you forgive, it's...
Also, it sets you up for violence from other kids because...
It does.
Then when you get with all the kids, you know, especially like if you're working class and you go out there, I'm Shirley Temple.
I know.
They're going to knock you, and they did knock me down so hard.
Yeah.
Because I thought I was Shirley Temple.
Oh.
You're like, yeah, okay, sure.
You're just waiting to get the crap kicked out of you.
Well, God would give us a clear mind.
He raised all that stuff away from us.
And he gave us a clear mind.
Now you can live an amazing life because you now have a clear mind.
Yeah.
And that's why I tell people there's no such thing as racism, sexism, homophobism, Allah-u-aba-ism, transphobia, anti-Semitism, whiteism, no-ism.
It's a spiritual battle.
It is truly a warfare between good and evil.
It is, absolutely.
It really, really is.
It has nothing to do with the physical at all.
It's all spiritual.
And it's inside everyone.
It's not out here.
Not at all.
It's inside.
All of our troubles are inside of us.
They're not out there.
Now, there are evil people out there who are tired of brain because they get a thrill out of making you upset and that makes you suffer.
Because they got no self-control.
Absolutely.
That's why all the ones screaming are like 500 pounds.
That's right.
They have no self-control.
They're totally out of control.
And totally no emotional control.
They're totally out of it.
Absolutely.
That's why I tell people that they got to forgive.
You got to forgive your mothers for turning you away from your fathers.
You got to forgive your fathers for not protecting you from mama.
And God will forgive you.
And for not correcting your mom.
Right.
That's what I mean.
To say you can't do that.
That's right.
No man will do that.
I've challenged men on stage.
How many of you think you're so big and tough?
I dare you go home and tell your wife to sit down and be quiet.
I know you don't dare.
They're beta.
Beta male.
But God will forgive you when you forgive because salvation is of the heart so you're admitting that I'm an evil person.
And the hardest thing for human beings to do is to admit that they're evil.
They all want to think they're nice and there's nothing good in human nature.
And so, but when you can admit, you know what, I'm evil.
In that very moment, things start to change because you recognize your heart is evil.
Salvation of the heart.
And you go and forgive your mother and your father.
God will, and don't ask for forgiveness.
You have to admit that, hey, I've been resenting you all my life.
I realized now you couldn't help yourself.
You said that to your mom, didn't you?
I did.
Yeah.
And I said that I realized you couldn't help yourself.
You tried to turn me away from my father.
But I understand that because I become like you.
I live in my head.
I'm emotional.
I'm just like a woman.
And I realized I became like you because you become like what you hate.
And I said, I'm sorry for resenting you.
I know now you can't help it.
And my mother started boohooing.
She started crying.
And I was stunned when she cried because I always saw her as being, she was nice and everything, like a little Christian, right?
But I thought she was kind of mean when I would bring up my father and stuff like that.
But she told me about her life, and exactly what she had done to me had happened to her, and I didn't know that.
It seems like we all just repeat what happened to us, right?
Absolutely.
It's our blueprint.
Yes.
We can't help it because the nature is evil.
The nature has to change.
So when human beings can admit that they are evil, we can have peace on earth just like that.
I think so.
Just like that.
All wars will end.
The lights go on.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
But human beings Won't admit that they're evil.
Look at all the cruelty on Earth right now.
Wars everywhere.
People fighting over stupid stuff like racism or money or Families don't get along.
It's all because the heart is evil.
You got to change your heart.
Yeah.
And you just admit you're wrong.
That's too hard for people.
I know.
You don't ask for forgiveness.
You admit you're wrong for hating and God will forgive you.
And he didn't tell us to go to the person and ask them to forgive you.
He said to go and admit you're wrong for hating them.
That's a switch on the old program, but it works, yeah.
It does work 100%.
And if you notice that, you can tell somebody, hey, I'm sorry that I was mean to you, but you don't really mean it.
You say that to your children.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I was yelling at you.
And the kids forgive you.
And the next few minutes, you're yelling again, right?
And the kids, otherwise, they get fed up.
They become angry.
They become like you.
But when you can admit you're wrong for being angry at them, that's where your freedom lies.
Isn't that amazing?
Yeah.
What about the big change?
Because...
Also, like...
A lot of stuff spiritually that I study about Judaism, it says only probably 1% of people are capable of change.
Yes.
It's very, very...
Only a few people will.
Because most people love their hell.
And one thing about God, he's not going to force anyone to come out of their hell.
He's made the way.
Through forgiveness, right?
But if you don't want to come out, you just say, okay, that's fine.
Stay in your hell.
And those who open themselves up for the truth to come in, those are the ones that he will help.
But there's only a few that are going to do that.
Most human beings love their misery.
That's why you're not supposed to try to help them, because if you try to help them, They're going to hate on you.
They're going to destroy you.
Yeah, they are.
They bring you down.
It's going to be like two seconds of gratitude, and then they try to kill you.
Absolutely.
That's happened to me.
100%.
And then I had to wonder, why am I always trying to help skanky people?
Why am I drawn to do that?
And then I'm like, because it's something in me.
Yes.
Something in me.
We can't help anyone.
We can't even help ourselves.
Only God helps us when we admit we're wrong.
Then you're coming to help.
But we can't help other people.
We can't change anyone.
They have to want to change.
And most people don't want it.
I guess I wanted somebody to...
I wanted them to like me.
But they never did.
Right.
Because they have no love.
Yeah, I always would pick out people who didn't like me and then tried to entertain, not like show business entertain, but try to...
You know, entertain them enough to like me.
Yeah.
And they never did.
Right.
They hit me more and more.
That's why we shouldn't think about people liking us or not.
I can care too saying who liked me.
Matter of fact, I don't even think about who liked me or don't.
It doesn't even occur to me.
I just know that I don't hate anyone now, so I love all people.
And God loved me.
And because I have love, I'm not looking for love, so I don't need to be light so I can be myself.
And that's what's going to happen when you forgive.
You're going to have love.
You're going to be of love.
And if you love that, you don't need it.
No, I mean, I did...
Go through all that and get to the place where it's like, just me and God.
That's right.
That's all that matters.
Absolutely.
You sent me a video, and it was so interesting.
I'm glad you liked it.
I loved it, because I don't know a lot about the tour and all that.
Well, it's the Bible.
Yeah, you know a lot about it.
I do.
You know, yeah, it's Genesis.
That's the Bible.
Oh.
The five books of Moses.
The Old Testament.
Oh, that is the Torah.
Yeah.
What a mess.
You didn't know that?
Amazing.
You didn't know that?
Yeah, I think I've heard it, but I really didn't put it together.
That's the Bible.
Yes, the books of Moses.
Five books of Moses.
That's Adam and Eve, all that.
Why don't you call it the Bible instead of the Torah?
Oh, everybody calls it the Bible.
It's a translation.
Oh, okay.
But it's a Torah in Hebrew.
There's the Old Testament and the New Testament.
Right.
New Testament is Jesus, but Old Testament is the Jewish Bible.
Nice.
Yeah.
Well, nice.
I never thought we'd teach JLP some.
I tell the Jew haters all the time, I don't know why y'all hate the Jews.
If it wasn't for Judaism, there would be no Christianity.
Right?
It is so true.
You think they'd figure that, but they got, I don't know, a lot of people just want to hate Yeah, they love hating.
Yeah, they do.
They love hating.
I got fans that love to hate me.
Absolutely.
They love it.
They do.
They send me things with a horrible letter.
It's just funny.
That's right.
They love it.
They live off it.
And that's why when God gets up in the mornings...
And he tell his son, you know what?
I'm going to turn the big screen TV on, but I need you to run down to Cafe Mocha and get me some coffee.
And we're going to have some coffee and bring some donuts or something to say.
We're going to turn the TV on, look at these idiots on earth, make a fool of themselves.
I believe that too.
So you just look at the idiots making a fool, right?
Because he's not going to help you if you don't want it.
He's just going to let you suffer.
But what I want to tell you that I didn't know in that video you sent me with the priest, I guess?
Rabbi.
Rabbi.
When he was talking about Moses and how Moses was given order to bring the people out of into the promised land.
Yeah.
But I didn't know that the reason Moses didn't enter the promised land because he was angry and that he had his own ideas and plans.
I thought it was just because he disobeyed God or something happened.
But when I saw this rabbi saying that Moses was angry because the rabbi was saying, we got a drop of anger.
He was talking about anger.
That's what I thought of you when I saw it.
And I'm like, wow!
It was because of the anger.
Yeah, because he told him to speak softly to the rock and it would bring water.
But he's mad and hit it with a stick.
He would take.
Why was Moses angry?
I don't know the story.
Do you mind just five seconds?
He was angry just because, you know, the people were bugging him.
And he didn't listen to God say, just speak softly and the water will come.
He's like, these people.
And he hit it.
And the people were stupid, too.
Yeah.
Because when Moses would go up to find out his instructions, they would build a golden calf.
Oh, yeah.
And they would listen to other people who seduce them because they weren't thinking for themselves.
So Moses just became, you know, like, what the?
He got mad.
Like, I led you out of here.
Right.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
He was angry a lot.
He got so angry in Egypt when he went down, when he found out he was a Jew, he was real angry at that.
Because he was raised as the prince of Egypt in the pharaoh's court, right?
Because his sister saved him and she was a servant of the princess.
She goes, look what I found!
It was her little brother, but she never said nothing.
The princess loved him and raised him there.
And so there's a lot of Theories of what happened, but I think she told him, I think his sister told him when he was a man.
You know, you're one of them.
And he got really mad then and went down and just looked at the people and killed an Egyptian slave master.
A slave master was beating the people.
He killed him, then he had to run away.
So he always had a problem with violent anger.
I never so put anger with Moses.
I just never heard it.
I never put it.
Together like that, but when the rabbi said it, you know how the light bulb comes on?
You're like, wow, that makes so much sense.
Because it's so much what you're always talking about.
Yeah.
I noticed that everyone who has anger, they're suffering.
Yeah, right.
They do not enter into the kingdom of heaven within.
Because even God said that before you can enter into the kingdom of heaven, you got to go and forgive.
And then I will forgive you and bring you in.
He's not going to let angry people.
He calls angry people of their father the devil.
And he's not going to let the devil's children into the kingdom.
It's just not going to happen.
You can read the Bible, you can pray, you can cry, whatever.
You're not going to enter into the kingdom of heaven with anger because it's the spirit of Satan.
Yeah, and it says there in the Jewish prayers that God won't hear your prayer if you don't come with a cleanse from repentance and humble heart.
Yep.
And you don't come asking for yourself.
You never pray for yourself.
That's right.
You pray to help everybody.
Absolutely.
It's not personal.
And, you know, if you come in there angry or arrogant, he's like, you know, you're on hold.
That's right.
And also, I hear a lot of...
People don't know any of that either.
And why they don't know it is, you're right, what they're hearing.
You know, from out.
We have to learn to hear the still, small voice inside, right?
100%.
The truth is within us.
We have a teacher that God has given us inside of us.
God is with us and Christ is with us.
We have the whole kingdom right here on earth.
Absolutely.
We do not have to wait until we die and hope that we make it to heaven, right?
We can have perfect peace right here on earth.
And we're equipped to do and create it too.
100%.
We can do it.
Yeah, it can be done.
Absolutely.
Again, most people love their misery and they don't want it.
They love to hate.
They love to judge.
They love to be miserable.
They love to be suicidal.
They love...
Everything.
Well, they're addicted to it.
Yeah, they love their health.
So thank you for sending me that video.
I'm glad you liked it.
I loved it.
It made sense.
Yeah.
It really made, it gave me more understanding about what happened with Moses than I had prior to that.
It made sense.
Especially dealing with angry people now.
And one other thing about...
People are always angry at you.
I know.
I like how they come in.
I like when I watch them and it's like, because I know what they're, I know what's going to happen.
Yeah.
Because I'm a fan, you know.
But they'll come in there and they're sizing you up.
It's like a boxing match.
They're kind of sizing you up for where they can get in because they want to kick you.
They do.
Yeah.
And they want to take you down because, I don't know, I guess they, it seemed like they think you're weak.
So they're going, how do I get in there and show him he's weak?
But then it's the flipper, the flip result.
And you, whatever you do, they lose the minute they get angry.
But you do know how to provoke people to anger.
But I don't try to.
Okay.
I really, really, really want I want it, but if they don't want it, fine.
I wish people would come out of their hell and they would have perfect peace right here on Earth.
I wish that they would pay attention to themselves, see what's going on here, question things.
Most people don't even question things.
And I wish that for them.
And so I bring up questions or I make comments.
And they say, I had a woman, and they say, I know they want to run off the show.
They want to call me names.
I have the Coon Train Award.
I won the Coon Train Award.
That's so horrible.
What?
The coon tray?
I mean that they say those things to you.
After they will not take that for one second.
But they do that to me too.
Of course.
Yeah, I know.
They do.
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She's like, I gotta go.
You're taking this a different route.
I thought you were going to talk about my book.
I'm like, I am talking about your book.
And she hung up.
And then she called me back and said, the PR person did, they don't want me to air that show.
They're going to sue me.
I'm like, okay, sue me.
You signed an agreement and we're going to do the show together.
I didn't ask you anything personal or anything crazy.
What set her off?
Oh!
That you like Trump?
Well, that didn't help.
But what set her off is when I asked her If she found it weird that women were not created to lead, but created to follow.
Oh, I saw that.
And you weren't trying to provoke her, honestly?
At all.
And I asked, do you find it weird that women were created to follow and not lead?
Do you find it weird that men would listen to you?
It was over.
But I did not know it was going to be over that bad because she's a big time CEO. What did you think she's going to say?
Well, you thought she'd go like, I disagree, Jesse.
I believe you think she's going to be like that?
To be real honest, I didn't think about what she was saying.
I just asked a question and said she was a big time CEO and she black.
You know how black people are, right?
Yes.
But...
I didn't think you would go off that fast.
What?
Some of them ain't like that.
Like what?
Some black women are not immediately angry and loud.
When did I tell you met one last night?
Yeah, I was going to say, who are you talking about?
Right.
What part of the world are you talking about?
No, I have...
I've known...
Some, many, sane, rational women.
Are they all dead now?
Were they transgender?
No, they're older.
Oh, they must be older, like 80. Well, they're my age, kind of.
But they were, they kind of were angry like me.
But you kind of, after you get some grandkids and you see bigger life Slice of pie.
You're like a little more tolerant toward people and your husband's dad.
When I was growing up, I don't remember black women being that angry.
Yeah.
It seems like it was a social experiment they did on people.
Doesn't it?
Like in the 60s.
Now I look back and I was an old hippie and all that stuff.
But now I look back and find out like Jim Morrison's dad was...
In the intelligence, and he's the reason this war started.
And all these, they were all like, they were doing social experiments on our whole generation to make us into Marxists and witches and make us angry.
They didn't even numb on us.
Yeah.
They really did.
Well, that's why I asked earlier if it was just specific to America what you were talking about.
No, it's everywhere.
The spirit of anger is everywhere because all around the world, angry people love controlling.
And they gave us drugs, too.
They did.
Everybody hooked on drugs.
They must have done it all over the world.
Send us to war.
They love controlling people.
So they do crazy things to you, and if you don't see what's going on, they will control you.
And that's what happens.
They control the people.
Something changed.
Because I don't remember black women being that angry.
My grandmother, even my mother, wasn't angry like that, you know?
And so it just seemed to be something that's come along since the so-called civil rights movement.
Yeah, they encouraged it.
Yeah, they did.
They encouraged it.
Because now I look at, like, the children of my friends or even their grandchildren and go, They unhook something.
They unhook the rational thinking part of these young people.
It's all for us to control because socialist people, they love to control others.
Well, yes, they do.
They love it.
And they have to keep you angry in order to control you.
You can't control a free person.
You can only control a person who is angry because they can't see.
And you can make them mad.
You can make them act any kind of way and do whatever you want.
Yeah.
So they keep you angry.
I saw our government over the last four years.
I was stunned at the way our government treated us.
We were like begging the government, please shut down the borders.
Too many illegals are coming in.
They're bringing in a crime.
Can you do something?
Bring back the job.
We need work.
We gotta work.
Lower the taxes.
We can't afford it.
Gas prices.
They didn't do anything.
They gave all our money to Ukraine.
And they gave it to everywhere but America.
And the people are like, well, what about us?
What about us?
And they wouldn't spit a dime on us.
They gave it to everybody but us.
And they made the American people afraid.
Made them angry.
They made them desperate.
They controlled them by making them that way.
So they love to control you.
That's why you got to drop that anger.
Because once you drop the anger, you cannot be controlled at all.
Not at all.
Nothing can control you.
A lot of people got their rational thinking back.
A lot of people got off their drugs and their booze.
Absolutely.
A lot of people did get spiritual.
A lot of people did get right with God.
A lot of people started talking to people who don't look exactly like them or live exactly where they live.
You know, a lot of that was because of Trump.
Yeah.
And then the great white hole.
Amazing.
Mm-hmm.
I can feel it in the air.
What do you think about the word bitch?
I love it.
Oh, good.
You know what I say?
Bitches get stuff done.
You know, we get stuff done.
Oh, yeah.
See that?
But, I mean, everybody always called me that since I came to Hollywood.
But they were talking about men.
So, you know, people do have their, whatever, their pre...
Prejudice thought or whatever.
But when I came here, you know, they were talking about men comics.
Oh, he is such a forward thinker.
He's got his vision.
And to me, it's like, she's a big bitch.
You know, they did.
I didn't even know that the bitch word was a bad word.
I did not know that.
I didn't know it was like a curse word, right?
Because when I was growing up, I used to hear the older women and men, if a woman was acting angry and out of control, they were saying that she was acting like a wet dog, I believe.
And so they were saying, look at that bitch.
Why not that bitch is acting like an angry female dog, right?
So I never knew it was a bad word until I started doing my show.
And these guys, Anchor Baby and others, would say, that's a bad word.
I'm like, no, it's not.
No, I never thought it was a bad word.
I never knew it was a bad word.
It was just a word.
Right.
It was just a word.
But, you know, words to define women and their crazy, you know.
Like, the truest thing I think I ever heard about men and women was all men are dumb and all women are crazy.
That's for sure.
That's the truth.
That is the truth.
How are we going to fix it between the men and the women so we can have happy families?
By encouraging them to know themselves, to start working on themselves as individuals, and see what's going on within them.
Once they see that, it will all change.
But they've got to work on themselves.
They've got to watch themselves.
Know thyself.
The Bible says, know yourself.
And most people do not know themselves.
They're not paying attention to what's happening inside of them.
They're always looking on the outside.
There's something in the Bible that says, you clean the outside of the glass, but you never clean the inside.
We've got to start cleaning the inside.
And then things would change.
When did you clean your inside?
About 35 years ago, I started working on it because I was so beta.
I was just like my mama, emotional.
Oh, you said that.
I had fear.
I had worry.
And I used to date a lot.
And every time, I didn't know how to deal with the woman when she got mad.
I didn't know what to do.
What'd you do, Ron?
I would go buy her something, or I would be like, really bait her, be nice to her, try to make her feel better.
But I was miserable doing that, but I had to please mama, right?
And so, I once asked God, You're like, what's wrong with me?
I really did.
I've done that.
I'm like, what's wrong with me?
I'm weak.
The women controlled me.
I'm afraid to speak up.
I remember I had so much fear that whenever I would try to speak up, I would say, this time, I'm just going to speak up.
And the words would come all the way up, and they were locking my throat.
Really?
And I couldn't bring it out.
Wow.
I would come out bait them because I didn't know how to deal with the person's reaction to what I was saying, right?
I thought they would overreact and it would make me afraid.
And so I asked God to let me see myself.
Like, what's wrong with me?
I'm going to church.
I do volunteer at these churches.
I try to help out.
But I'm still afraid.
I can't speak up.
He allowed me to see that I resented my mother.
And I didn't know I resented my mother.
I thought I loved my mother.
Because I had that emotional love, but I know now that that comes from hate.
And emotional love is not real love, right?
And so I saw that I resented my mother, and I cried.
But it wasn't, it was a tears of glad that I could see what was wrong with me.
And so I went, excuse me, at that time I was 38. And so I went, my mother came to California, and so I went over to my aunt house and felt I was sorry for resenting her, because God said, we forgive others, you forgive us.
And on my way over there, I was shaking in my boots.
I was like, oh God.
I felt like I was about to face Hitler.
38 years old.
I'm like, why am I so afraid of my mother?
And I realized it was because I was angry at her.
I had resentment.
And whomever you angry at, they control you.
You're afraid of them.
Yeah.
And so I get to the house.
I had to walk up two steps to the porch to the front of the house.
And I could barely walk up the steps.
I had fear.
I was trembling in fear.
I'm like, whoa.
But I went in and I said, They were all sitting around in the living room laughing.
You know how black women love to laugh when they get together, right?
Real loud.
They were having fun, right?
And so I said, hey, I want to talk to you for a minute.
And Satan was telling me, oh, you're going to mess over a vacation.
Don't do that.
You're going to hurt her feelings.
But I knew I had to forgive so I could be forgiving.
And so I said to her, I took her in the bedroom.
I said, all my life I have resented you.
Because you tried to turn me away from my father.
And I saw you as being mean.
And I'm sorry for resenting you.
I realize now you can't help it.
Everything changed.
From that point of view, I've not been the same.
And as I said, she told me about her life, and exactly what she had done to me.
She told me about my grandmother, and my grandmother did the same thing to her, her mother.
I never knew that, because normally parents don't tell you about their lives.
So I never knew that she had gone through the same thing.
But my life changed, and it's just been an amazing life ever since.
Now, you're always telling people they're beta males, which I love.
I totally agree.
But what's about an alpha male?
Explain what is an alpha male.
An alpha male has no fear.
He has no anger.
And he would treat everyone with perfect love.
He...
He's not trying to be light or not light.
You know, he loved the world.
He loved the people.
So he's always trying to point them back to the right place.
By being honest with them, but not judging them.
That's what it happened.
He loved God with all his heart, his soul, and his might, along with nothing else or no one else.
He loved God first.
He put that first and everything's fine.
You're no longer a baiter.
But you gotta drop the anger.
Can I ask you a question?
Yeah.
You said perfect love and emotional love.
Can you explain the difference?
Yeah, that's a good one.
Yeah.
Emotional love is hate.
That's why we have emotional love.
You feel good, then you feel bad.
What do you mean by emotional love?
Like, You know how...
It's not from...
Let's say you, if you were married, and you feel like, oh, I love my wife, right?
You met her, you fell in love with her, and then the morning after the night of the honeymoon, all hell break loose.
And now that love you feel is now anger.
You feel fear.
And so anyone that feel emotional love, they're really feeling hate, but they call it love.
Because pure love comes from God.
Only from God.
Gotcha.
Human beings have no love to give.
Wow.
There's no such thing as love in human beings.
Love only comes from God.
And we love one another the way that God loves us.
So we're reflecting God's love.
Yeah, you can just feel it.
We're reflecting God's love of us onto each other.
Absolutely, 100%.
Yeah, I get that.
100%.
And it's not our love.
I have no love.
I'm only loving the way I'm being loved, the way God loved me, and that's what you see, right?
Yeah, that's being a vessel, right?
That's being a vessel.
100%.
Yeah.
The father and the son, the father and the daughter are now one.
You have his love instead of Satan's love, which is not real at all.
It's hate.
Anger is nothing but hate.
There's no love in it.
You think pretty much all emotions are Satanic?
Yes.
They're evil.
They are Satanic.
That's why they don't work.
That's why when she's crying, she's lying.
Because she's evil.
Is it all from anger?
Yes.
Because in reality, anger is hatred.
Yes.
It used to be called hatred in the good old days, but as they were done with everything, they changed the words to soften them.
Yeah, they did.
Yeah.
And then they changed it from hate to resentment.
You're like, you can't say you resent your mother.
And so they changed resentment to anger.
But it's really hatred.
And anyone that has hatred plays God.
You play God.
That's why you judge.
You have all the fears because you're playing God.
You think you know what you want.
You think you know what you need, but you really don't.
We don't know what we want, but the Father will provide all for us, and it will be perfect.
But that emotional love is not love, it's hate.
That's why when husband and wife get together, all they ever do is fight.
Yeah.
Because all they do is fight.
Because they try to get something for one another that they don't have to give, and that is love.
They don't have love.
That's pretty deep.
You're talking about tapping into Source.
It's true, though.
I can tell it's true.
If they don't get it, they'll try to control you.
They'll kill you for it.
And then they say, well, I'm leaving you.
I'm getting somewhere else.
And they go and get with someone else, but it's the same problem.
They're still trying to get love for one another, and they don't have it to give.
Human beings do not have love to give.
Human beings are evil.
It's so true.
I mean, that's a relief to think that way, too.
It is.
You don't have to keep lying about, well, some people are good and some are bad.
Ain't nobody good.
I love it.
That's the title of this episode.
Yeah.
Ain't nobody good.
And no such thing as a good person.
Well, that's what you mean by it's fallen.
It's a fallen state, right?
Yes, a fallen state.
Yeah.
And that's why we have to return to the Father.
We must forgive our mother, and we must return to the Father.
By forgiving our earthly father, he can help with that.
Because if you don't love your earthly father by forgiving him, you never will know God.
You must forgive your earth.
Because men, whether we like it or not, they are sons of God.
They represent God.
They're the light of the world.
But they may be better.
The light went out because they have the anger.
But they still are sons of God.
And when you hate your son, you hate the father.
And so when boys and girls, men and women hate their earthly father, they hate God.
Yeah.
How can you say you love God or whom you've never seen and your father who you have seen?
Your own father.
So you got to forgive him.
And love is just something you don't hate.
That's all it is.
When you let the anger go, you have love.
Isn't that amazing?
It is amazing.
It's like amazing.
It's amazing.
Do you ever have to forgive yourself?
You always talk about your mother and father.
Does that do anything?
In all honesty...
Well, let me ask you this before I respond to that.
Who are you?
Jake Pentland?
I'm sorry?
My name is Jake Pentland.
Who am I? I'm a child of God.
Is that where we're...
I'm trying to think of how to answer this.
I don't know.
It's a good question.
I don't know how to answer that.
And who are you?
I'm me.
laughter I think, therefore I am.
I got a lot of things in me.
Like, I'm me, and I'm myself, and I'm I. I mean, that's a fascinating question, actually.
It shouldn't be so hard to answer.
Yeah, I'm all this, and yet I'm none of it.
Right.
So who are you?
I'm just this beautiful thing.
Okay.
I'm just, I know that I'm somebody that's supposed to be around.
That's all I really know.
I'm somebody that was put here to do something.
And so who are you?
I'm what God tells me I am and I do what He tells me to do.
I'm just in Him.
Amazing.
Yeah?
What do you say?
And who are you?
And then I'll tell you.
Okay.
I'm a human being.
That's all I know.
I'm Jake Pentland.
I'm a human being.
Did you know you didn't know who you were before right now?
I didn't think that would be so hard for me to answer.
Yes.
So far, you told me your name.
Yeah.
You told me who you belong to.
Yeah.
But you didn't tell me who you are.
Yeah, no, it's a fascinating question.
I want to think about it.
Isn't that amazing?
It is amazing, yeah.
It's like mind-blowing, huh?
We'll walk around thinking that we know who we are, we don't.
Well, I also was trying to give you an answer, so you unlock it and tell me my question, so I was trying to figure out the puzzle, too.
Well, what are you going to say about that?
There is no you.
Yeah.
There's literally no you.
It's an illusion.
Wow.
It's just an illusion.
And I say that because I think you asked me about forgiving yourself.
Yeah.
There is no self to forgive.
Okay.
That's true.
There's no self.
The idea of self is just an idea.
And everything that you have done in life, whether how I overcome how bad it's been or so-called good, it was never you.
Okay.
It was something working through you.
It was never you.
Wow.
So who are you?
Nobody.
Nothing.
Really.
You gotta die.
The ego death is about dying away from all identities because they're all false identities.
They're not real.
And then when the false self die, the real you will appear.
The real you will appear when the false you disappear.
You're not your thoughts.
You're not your body.
You're not your emotions.
You're not your house.
You're not your car.
You're not your job.
You're not your career.
You're not your mother.
You're not a mother.
You're none of them.
They're just all false ideas, and they're all ego, and they cover up who you really are.
But the real you will appear Because when or not you die, God said that in order to have a life, you must give up a life.
And the life we have to give up is the false life, the ego self.
There is no you.
And there's only one death, and that death is the ego death, the false self.
When you let that go, you just live with no identity.
Your reputation doesn't even matter because even the idea of reputation is fake.
Because nobody cares about your reputation.
Yeah, that's true.
You think your reputation is all important.
Oh, I'll protect my reputation.
What reputation?
People are going to think whatever they're going to think about you anyway.
You know, you can be the president's wife.
People are still going to think what they think.
But if you don't see yourself as a reputation, there's nothing to protect, and you're fine.
Isn't that amazing?
It's amazing.
But aren't you like a spark of...
Don't you contain a spark of the Spirit of God in you?
You and the Father will be one.
Just as Christ and the Father was one, the Son and the Father was one, you will become that too.
The daughter and the Father will be one.
It will be amazing.
And you will operate from the nature of the Father.
He will work through you.
Greater works that Christ did, you will do it too.
You will be in the same state that Christ was in.
The same state we can have it too.
And in that state, greater work will you do.
But you gotta be in that state.
You gotta be one with the Father.
Then the greater work will work through you as well.
Amazing!
My mind is blown.
You are like You're, you are, you are so deep.
You're so deep and I, you're just so deep and I, I love watching you and seeing how you, I don't know how you come through.
Because you are very charismatic and all that stuff.
But there's nothing, there's not one phony thing about you.
And the reason that you can see where I'm coming from, the Father's allowing you to see that, too, because you want it.
It's like you're opening up for the truth.
Most people don't open up for the truth to come down and take over.
You're opening up for it, so he's allowing you to see that what Jesse's saying is true, and I can't make you see it.
No human being can make another human being see the truth, but because you're welcoming the truth, the Father's allowing you to see it.
So the light is on, And if you stay with and stay present rather than lost in your head, then the light will get brighter and brighter and brighter.
It's going to be amazing.
I think that we're sitting here on the opening of the whole world right now because of this change that happened.
Yes.
And I know that we both did everything we could do to bring it.
Yeah.
That was within our...
That's what we can do, absolutely.
But don't you just have the greatest hope for our country and everybody in it, and the world now?
For the first time in four years, for sure.
But it's just amazing right now.
I can feel it.
I just feel the change coming on.
I can see the change happening.
I can see the impact that...
Donald Trump is having around the world.
Yeah.
He even said he's going to invite that guy from China.
Xi Jinping?
Xi Jinping.
He's going to invite him to an inauguration.
And that's cool.
I'm like, right on.
What the...
And he better not say no to the president.
He better say yes.
I'm going to throw a truth on him if he doesn't.
I'll tell you, he can bring the whole world together.
Absolutely.
I think it's in his mind to want to do that.
If you're in that, you can do the same.
You can do the same, but you've got to be one with the Father.
You can literally do the same.
Right now, you can do it, but you've got to be one with the Father rather than one with Satan in your imagination.
You've got to let all ideas, imagination go, and then the Father will work through you.
It would be amazing.
Really, the same thing that's driving Donald Trump would drive anyone that wants it.
The same thing that drove Christ would drive anyone that wants it, but you've got to want it through.
Most people don't.
Well, I would like to Offer hope and a hopeful prayer that God would ignite the desire in everybody that they'd want it.
Well, he's definitely giving it to those who do want it, for sure.
Of all races, those who want it, I see it.
They're receiving it.
They're waking up.
They're literally waking up.
But if you don't want it, though, he's not going to impose on you.
What's that love about God?
He'll just let you suffer.
You'll be crying.
Oh, Lord, help me.
Help!
Help my children, Lord.
My poor mama.
Oh, and God, help me.
And he's just sitting there looking at me.
What an idiot.
I think that, too.
I've always thought that.
And if he would be on their knees crying and begging, please, Lord.
We shouldn't laugh at them, poor people.
No, you should.
God laughs at them.
Oh, God, my baby was shot today.
Oh, Jesus, save my baby.
And God's like, what an idiot.
I think that's true.
And people who pray like that, they're praying to the devil.
That's why their prayers are never answered.
They're praying to the devil because they're praying to an idea about God.
They're praying to him.
They don't know God.
They just have this idea about him that they read about or heard about.
It became an intellectual idea.
And an idea about God doesn't mean you know God at all.
Matter of fact, you don't know him.
You just know about him.
Yeah, and when people start talking for him, that really makes me so mad.
I won't say mad, but it offends me.
It offends me.
Like, you're not, I don't want you talking for him.
You can't even, you know.
And they all are full of hate, too.
Talking about God said this and you're no good.
Well, that ain't what he said at all.
I probably shouldn't tell you this story.
I never told you before.
This is our first-timer.
Oh, okay, good.
Really, this is breaking news.
Oh, boy.
It's like headline news.
Here it comes.
Speaking of speaking for God, so one day this woman showed up at my office, and she had called me on my phone and said, God told me you're going to be my husband.
I'm like, well, he didn't tell me.
And one day she showed up at my office and she told me God sent her and that you're going to be my husband.
I'm like, no, God didn't tell me that.
And she stalked me for months.
She literally stalked me.
She'd come into my parking lot, mess with my car, all kinds of stuff.
And she was nutty as a fruitcake.
And she said, God sent her.
So when these people tell me what God told me, even a Christian, when they say God told me to tell you, I'm like, uh-uh.
That ain't from God.
They act like God is dumb or crazy or something.
If God wants you to know something, God's going to tell you.
He ain't going to tell somebody else to go and tell her that.
He's going to tell you.
Right.
He's already with you.
Is she away from you now, or did you get a restraining order, or are you safe?
I got a restraining order, and I remember one time she came over to me.
I would go into my car, and she rushed her, and she used to hide underneath.
Oh, no.
Oh, crazy.
So should I be saying this?
Yes.
Normally, I don't say it when I'm stopped.
Well, you've got a restraining order.
And so she came over to me one day.
I was driving out, and she came around to my car.
She said, I love you.
I said, I hate you.
Oh, that's so scary.
I'm like, I don't love you.
I hate you.
And I haven't seen her since.
Oh, good.
You were clear with her.
Yeah.
It's horrible, though.
Isn't there something you can say?
She sounded demonic, actually.
She was insane.
Yeah.
Is there something you can say to a crazy person?
Yeah, tell them you hate them.
Oh, that's a good one.
You don't really hate them, but you tell them that so they can go away.
Okay.
Spirits, too, that might work.
What a world.
What a mess.
This is hell on earth.
I hear people say, oh, I'm afraid of dying.
I'm so afraid of dying.
I'm like, you're already dead.
All that anger, you're dead.
We have anger.
You don't have life.
You have death.
You think you're alive.
You may be breathing a little bit, but you're really dead.
You only have life when you die from the anger.
We let it go.
I love that.
It reminds me of my grandma.
I was a little girl, and we had to get from her house.
We had to go from the park to her house.
We had to walk through a graveyard.
And I was a little bitty, like probably four or five.
And, well, I don't know how old I was, but little.
And I was afraid to go in the graveyard, you know.
And I go, I'm afraid, I'm afraid to go and walk in the graveyard.
And she, I never forgot, she looked at me, she goes, it ain't the dead ones you gotta worry about.
That's right.
That's for sure.
That's amazing.
But I want the people to know that they can be free.
Anyone that wants it can have perfect peace right here on Earth.
And I found out recently that most people don't believe you can have perfect peace on Earth.
Yeah, I've seen you been saying that.
That's mind-blowing to me.
And they're like, you're asking them, do you have perfect peace?
And they're like, no.
They think it's a weird thing to want.
Right.
It's like, well, when I get to heaven, I'm only human, and no one has.
But Christ said that I came that you may have perfect peace.
Was Christ lying?
Why have you chosen not to believe that about Christ when you're supposed to be believing in Christ, right?
Why do you believe that you can't have perfect peace?
It's another false idea.
They don't believe they can have it because the preacher said they can't have it because the preacher lost it.
And they believe they can't have.
I'm like, what a waste of time, right?
You're in hell with Satan already.
You don't have peace.
You have all this stuff going on.
And you hear about God.
And God said, come unto me, I will give you rest.
I will give you peace.
And you go unto God and you still got the same hell?
Why would you question that?
You might as well stay with the God you were already with if this God is going to treat you the same way.
But they don't seem to think that way.
What's wrong with them?
I think they can't fathom living without fear.
They can't understand.
They think, if you live without fear, that ain't living.
They think that.
It's crazy, huh?
Because I was going to send you another thing.
That same rabbi was talking about fear.
And how you cannot be a believer if you have fear.
You're not a believer.
Because then you don't have trust.
Yeah.
He did say that.
I saw that.
And he's right about that.
And he's right about that.
Just think about it.
It's not God who gives you fear.
He doesn't give it to you.
So it has to be from evil.
Because fear is like something bad is going to happen if, because I, this one, because I got so many fears, but like, since I heard that guy talking like that, you know, when I would feel myself getting fearful or angry, you know, it's self-talk too, because I'm like, I'm never going to find a damn parking place in this here.
And then I'm like, why are you even doing that?
Are you afraid you're not going to find?
Or are you mad that you're not going to find?
And then I just go, you know what?
I'm going to...
And I said it out loud, Mike.
I'm just going to trust that God will find me.
Somebody pulled out.
Absolutely.
And it's been...
It's...
Absolutely.
All the time, it is a big...
Two wires that are never supposed to go together, and I disconnected them.
Right on.
And it went, and it's going in a good way.
That's amazing.
Cuba bees live.
And their fear.
Yeah.
And fear dictates their whole life.
They're afraid of how they're going to look if they speak in the public.
They're afraid to go certain places or by themselves.
They're afraid to be alone.
Their whole life is dictated by fear, and it's not the way it should be.
Your life should not be dictated by fear.
That's why you have to face the fear and overcome it.
And that's what happens when you go to your mother to forgive her.
You're going to go in fear and trembling.
You're going to be scared because you hate her.
Whomever you hate control you, right?
I did that with my parents, you know.
This was probably 20 years ago.
Nice.
But I pulled up in a limo on my way to somewhere else.
And I just got it.
I go, you know, you've got it.
And so I just walked up to their house.
I hadn't seen them or talked to them in 15 years.
Nice.
And they answered and I said, hi!
And can I come in?
They said, I guess.
Like, why would you want to?
And I pretty much said what you said.
Yeah.
And it was like coming out of...
You know how in the Bible it says, coming out of the narrow spaces into the expansive.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
So, you know, I wish that for everybody.
Because it's been...
Me too.
You've got to face it, though.
You've got to...
In fear and trembling, especially mama, you've got to face mama, grandma...
You're going to be shaking in your boots.
But in shaking, you go anyway and face that fear, you will overcome it.
You've got to face the fear.
You can't run away from it.
And you're going to see that you were never the fear.
It was just something in your imagination.
It wasn't you ever.
Yeah, the thoughts that bombard us, they're not even from us.
They're not from us at all.
We have nothing to do with it.
Isn't that amazing?
It is, when you think about it, and having all the media on to bombard you more.
Yeah, absolutely.
With satanic images and thoughts and symbols 24-7.
No wonder the kids are all messed up.
I know.
It's crazy.
Well, I say we go eat more pie, because it ought to be cooked right by now, I hope.
Yes.
And thank you so much for being here.
It's always wonderful to be sitting and talking with you.
It was amazing.
It was amazing.
And I knew it would be.
I knew it would be, too.
Before we leave, you can say no to me.
Okay.
Well, I know you already know that.
Can I bring the anchor baby so you can say hi to the anchor baby?
What's the anchor baby?
Of course.
You mean...
It's the anchor baby.
I know.
And we were building this radio network with 24-hour talk with men only.
Okay.
And so...
Cool.
I guess I'll do it.
I'll be there.
Beautiful.
Don't forget you said that.
I will do it.
No, I was joking.
And so it's 24 hours talk and he has a show on my network.
And my network is called Punching TV. Here, sit here, Nick.
No, he can sit here and I'll just sit here.
You sure?
So what is he doing then?
What the hell?
What the?
That's the Anchor Baby.
Hi, Anchor Baby.
A pleasure, Roseanne.
It's always nice to see you.
I've seen you several times.
Well, good luck with your new thing that you're doing.
Thank you so much.
Tell them about your show and everything.
When is it on and Punchy.tv?
Punchy.tv network that Justin started.
He started his own Web app, where his whole network can be seen, even if you take him off, whatever happens.
Punchy.tv, I got my show, American Anchor Baby, Monday through Friday, 4 p.m.
Pacific Time.
And really, I'm really just keeping the message going.
It really has affected me so much.
I heard him say, forgive your mother years ago, my life has never been the same.
Isn't that great?
Well, let's keep getting that message out there.
You gotta drop that anger.
I wish my daughters would forgive me.
They never will.
Yeah, the boys forgave me, but the girls never will, I don't think.
Well, all you do is apologize.
You know what?
I was wrong.
I've done that.
But now you just let them suffer.
That's what I do.
Yeah.
It is what I do.
Yeah.
Just let them suffer.
Don't feel sorry for them or anything.
But they love their misery.
And they have a way out now.
You said I was wrong.
It's up to them to forgive.
But the network is called Punchy.
P-U-N-C-H-I-E-T-V. Punchy.tv.
But you can find the show on YouTube and all that kind of stuff.
American Anchor Baby.
But just think about this, Roseanne.
I'm black and slow and from Alabama.
Barely finished high school.
I don't know how I finished high school.
I didn't finish high school.
Oh good.
No wonder you're so smart.
I know, right?
Smart people didn't finish high school.
Dumb people did with college degrees.
That's right.
And I never imagined that there's nothing in my life that I ever imagined I would be doing.
But it's happening and I take no credit for it.
But, and the point is, if you love us right, you be right, it's amazing what God would do through you.
It really is.
He'd love us, and He would take care of us.
Absolutely.
You don't have to have a plan.
He would take care of that.
I'm finding that out, too.
Well, I always have found it out, but God keeps rescuing me from my bad self and bringing me up better.
Yeah.
I married his mother.
I didn't know he had parents.
Who, God?
The anchor baby.
Oh, I don't know.
Yeah, because what happened was his mother got pregnant on the other side of the border, and just before it was time to drop him off, I mean, when he came out, he jumped across the border, and she just opened it up, and he fell out.
I'm an American.
Congratulations.
But thank you for having us on.
I totally appreciate it.
And thank you for bringing on the anchor baby.
Thank you so much.
Pleasure, Roseanne.
I do appreciate it.
Alright, well, you know what to do.
So you see, my patience is running thin with this synthetic world we're living in.