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July 25, 2014 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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July 25, 2014, Friday, Hour #2
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Well, darn it, the place that posted it has pulled it down, and the search doesn't pull it up.
And I can't remember the name of the course, and I wish I could because it's so typical.
It's so it's something like gays, lesbians and transgenders something to do with primetime television.
It's just it is it's a course at USC, and I did I cannot find it.
It was all about the coach of the Vikings having to go to sensitivity training for telling a gay joke to the team way back when that Chris Cloey got all upset about.
Live from the Southern Command in sunny South Florida.
It's open line Friday.
I haven't even gotten to that subject yet.
I'm way ahead of myself on it, but I will get to it because what's also happened is the commissioner of the NFL, Roger Goodell has, I don't know, maybe on purpose or inadvertently bailed Tony Dungey out because he'd done something that shift immediately anger away from Dungey and on to Goodell.
All happening before your very eyes and ears, right here on Open Line Friday.
Yes, sir, rebob, great to have you, ladies and gentlemen.
Telephone number is 800 2828 to the email address L Rushbow at EIB net.com.
There is a running back for the Baltimore Ravens by the name of Ray Rice.
He he played college football at Rutgers.
He's drafted by the Ravens, and he has uh he's been starting running back, he's been very instrumental in their success.
And there was a video that showed him beating up his fiancee in an elevator at a casino in Atlantic City this this past spring.
Knocked her unconscious.
The video showed him dragging her out of the elevator when a doors opened.
He has not publicly apologized to her.
They have since gotten married, by the way.
I guess he apologized to her privately.
They've gotten married.
But since there was video of this, there has been a clamor for the commissioner to take some sort of disciplinary action against Ray Rice.
So the commissioner did.
A two-game suspension, and the drive-bys are simply in an uproar.
Because players that have smoked a doobie have been thrown out of the game for a year.
This assistant coach for the Minnesota Vikings, who said something offensive about gays in a team meeting that was overheard by the punter Chris Cluey.
Cluey didn't say anything about it for a year.
Then the Vikings released him.
And so he went public with what the assistant coach, Mike Pryfer, had said.
It was something about putting all the gays on a deserted island and nuking it.
And everybody's saying that's a horrible opinion to him.
He was just bad joke.
But anyway, the league, after the Vikings did it, and the league is nothing to do with this yet.
The Vikings did an investigation.
Because Cluey was demanding one.
Because Clue Cloy claimed that Preifer said that.
There were no complaints about it for a year until Cluey got released.
So the Vikings investigated, and they they found a lot of other things in that investigation.
For example, and I didn't know this, that Chris Cluey, who, you know, he's a big gay marriage advocate, but he's the guy that officially complained about Mike Preiffer making that joke about nuking uh an island with gays on it.
During the Penn State controversy with Jerry Sandusky, apparently Cloey was running around wearing sweatpants, sweatshorts with a hole in the rear end to and laughing about it as though he were a Sandusky target, making it easy for Sandusky.
And so people say, well, wait a minute now, if you can run around and make jokes about what Jerry Sandusky did, not get offended, but what the hell are you doing here with Preiffer?
Well, anyway.
Given that homosexuality was involved, and given that is just it's an untouchable subject and manner speaking.
The Vikings have suspended Preifer for three games and made him go to sensitivity training.
And it was in that story that I read a comment from this professor at USC who teaches some obscure course about gays and lesbians uh in in Hollywood.
I it it it's not the history of gays and lesbians, and it's not that something even screwier.
It's it it's not something that you would pay USC 14 or 20 grand to send your kids to learn.
It's just it's it was crazy.
I wish I could find it.
But now I've built it up so much, even if I did when I gave you the title of course, you go, that's not that funny because of I've raised expectations.
Anyway, the drive-by's announcement, what do you mean?
The coach, a coach gets three games and sensitivity training, and Ray Rice, who beat up his fiancee and knocked her unconscious with his fist, on plain sight in a video, gets two games.
And the drive-bys are all saying, Who makes sense because the league is all about money, and nobody pays to see a coach coach, but they might they might the Ravens might suffer and not attract as much money, whatever if Ray Rice isn't on the field.
This is the drive-by view.
So this has kind of uh moved the dunny dungey story off to the side here because the drive-bys have found something new to be agitated about, the sports drive-bys.
So let's go to the uh let's go to the audio sound bites.
And you know the you talk about Ray Rice getting two games.
I mean, what about the NFL's you know, big October every year, where everybody wears pink, uh breast cancer awareness month, their big effort to reach out to uh to women.
No, no, I'm not through with the immigration stuff.
Uh there's plenty I'll get back to that uh here in in uh in just a second.
I want to get into some other things too, because I don't want to get to the end of the program and have just been a couple things discussed.
So let's go to the audio sound bites.
This is John Harbaugh.
Yesterday at the Ravens training camp, he's the head coach.
He's the brother of Jim Harbaugh, who is the coach of the San Francisco Fortners, who does not have a player who beat up his fiancee or wife on the roster, as far as we know.
And the uh head coach on a press conference, and this is what he said about the two-game suspension that running back Ray Rice got for hitting and knocking out his then fiance, Janae is her name.
There are consequences when you make a mistake like that.
You stand behind Ray, he's a heck of a guy.
He's done everything right since.
Um he makes a mistake.
All right, he's gonna have to pay a consequence.
I think that's good for it's good for kids to understand that it works that way.
That's how it works.
That's how it should be.
The next guy will have to step up, and then Ray will be back, you know, uh when the time comes.
Right.
The Ray will be back uh after two games.
And uh so that's that.
Now we go to the Vikings, where the assistant coach is Mike Preefer, special teams coordinator.
And Mike Preefer has been given three game suspension for saying cracking a joke that bothered Chris Chloe.
And he's being suspended for homophobic slurs, is being sent to sensitivity training, otherwise known as re-education camp.
He's been given three games with a guy that beats up the girl gets two games.
Drive-by is fit to be tied, and Pryfer is begging for forgiveness, he's expressing the fact that uh he's he's learned a lot here.
Really, really learned a lot.
And it's uh something he's gonna make make use of.
He's learned a really, really, really hard lesson here.
With my comment, I've I failed.
I didn't just go below the bar and went way below the bar.
You know, I made a mistake.
I was wrong.
I brought a lot of undue attention to the uh Minnesota Vikings organization and brought an unwanted distraction.
And um, you know, I apologize.
I've learned a lesson.
Um, I have learned a lesson here.
I learned a hard lesson that you know I've got to be sensitive to other people in what I say, and that's not gonna happen again.
Right.
Um, Chloe, again, waited a full year to lodge the complaint.
The head coach at the time this happened was Leslie Frazier.
And the new coach is the former, I think defensive coordinator of the Bengals, Mike Zimmer.
So he waited till Frazier was gone.
I don't know what reason for that.
Um, but he did wait a year.
Then the Vikings had to investigate it.
This is what they found.
So three games for the special teams coordinator coach.
A homophobic slur.
Knock your girlfriend out on tape in an elevator, and then drag her out of the elevator.
Two games.
Well, as I say, this is not sitting well with the drive-by media.
Let's go back to uh oops.
What happened?
What did I do with uh yes?
Audio side 25.
This is CBS this morning.
The co-host is Nora O'Donnell.
She spoke with the CBS sports analyst Bart Scott, who used to be a teammate of Ray Rice, linebacker for the Ravens, then a linebacker for the Jets.
And uh, and and this guy, Bart Scott, is one of the players who said there was no way I should be allowed to be anything part of the NFL because of all these quotes that I'd never said that the drive-by is reported I had said.
So Bart Scott, not knowing anything, believed what he read, and he was out there saying I had no business being in the league.
He's now a CBS sports analyst.
And uh he was on CBS this morning discussing with Nora O'Donnell the suspension of Ray Rice, two games for knocking out his fiancee and dragging her out of an elevator.
A two-game suspension.
I mean, the NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has issued uh tougher suspensions for smoking marijuana and driving under the influence.
What's going on here?
Well, it's it's not policy really in the conduct detrimental.
You know, we have numerous cases of you know PDs and marijuana.
I think this may be something that's going to spark policy.
They have to first, you know, put it put into policy and have things in there written out where you know they can state that this is what's going to happen.
What Bart Scott's saying there is that, well, there's no policy against hitting your girlfriend in the NFL, but that there might be now.
So they're they're kind of their hands are kind of tied.
They're gonna make it up as they went along because there wasn't any policy.
There's policies on performance enhancing drugs, and there's policy on marijuana, and there's policy on driving under the influence, and there's stated punishments for that.
But there's no policy against hitting your fiance or your wife and dragging her out of an elevator at a casino in Atlantic City in full view of a hidden camera.
That's what he means when he says that they're gonna have to put it into policy and have things in there written out where you know they can state that this is what's gonna happen, meaning punishment.
Well, this didn't sit well with Nora O'Donnell.
She said that didn't satisfy her, so then they kept discussing this, and you will next hear in this piece you'll hear there's a guy named Anthony Mason, who is a fill-in co-host or something in the world.
Don't you think that's exactly the problem and why there's been so much outrage about this?
The NFL has a policy on marijuana driving under the influence, taking Adderall, but they don't have a policy on domestic violence.
What's going on?
Well, because there's been more cases about you know marijuana PEDs and cheating and gambling.
What are PEDs?
Performance enhancing drugs.
Yes, I'm sorry.
This is becoming a trend.
I think the NFL is gonna have to be proactive and put in, you know, policy stating, you know, that these things will not be tolerated.
That's right.
So that's gonna that's gonna happen next.
There's gonna be a policy that you cannot beat up your fiance or your wife or your girlfriend, and if you do, then this is what's gonna happen.
So the commissioner's hands were kind of tied here.
I mean the the I guess there's a policy for homophobic slurs.
You know, words.
Words that you uttered.
Get You three games and a trip to re-education camp.
Ah, well, that's in none of this do you hear the name Tony Dungey anymore.
So there's that aspect to it, too, sir.
All right, folks, I found it.
I have it here in my formerly nicotine-stained fingers.
Hey, there it is.
It's at the Annenberg School of Journalism.
I'm sorry.
The Annenberg School for Communication at USC, a resource center for journalism educators.
Today's newsrooms demand that journalists be able to cover sexual orientation issues with as much sophistication as any other civil rights issue.
Starting at day one on the job, can your students?
I wouldn't walk into a newsroom not knowing about Martin Luther King, says one broadcast student in the Annenberg course.
Sexual orientation is a civil rights issue, and this is something I need to know about as a journalist, as a student and as a person.
And so they have the program for the study of sexual orientation issues in the news at the Annenberg School of Journalism, and it wants to help you make sure that your students are sensitive.
From day one, when they graduate and get into their first newsroom, they're supposed to know as much about sexual orientation issues, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgenders, as they know about Martin Luther King, and that's the purpose, of course.
And it was mentioned in the story about Mike Preiffer being shipped off to re-education camp.
It's where I uh where I encountered it.
By the way, there's a new Gallup poll out, and Obama is in free fall.
39% job approval.
That's down three points from yesterday.
And I don't have enough in front of me to know why, if it even explains the specifics of the poll, or if it's just a rolling day-to-day public opinion approval poll.
But uh any rate, down to 39% in free fall.
But you know, he doesn't care.
He has never cared.
This has been my point all along.
My point Obama has known from the first moment he thought about being president.
He's known.
Don't doubt me on this.
He knows that what he believes and thinks is a minority position in this country.
It is very important that you understand this.
And I don't mean to sound like I'm preaching.
I'm I'm trying to be intense to be persuasive here.
He knows, the left knows that they are a minority position.
The militant gay population knows they're not 30%.
They know that they're less than 5%.
That's what, in fact, motivates them.
The same thing with all of the American left.
They know that they are the minority.
Therefore, Obama knew from day one that he was going to be governing against the will of the people.
This has never been about popularity.
It's never been about public opinion polls.
It's never been, I mean, they take them, they make it look like they care about them, but they've known from the get-go that what they intended to do, if it were fully known and understood, would be met with mass disapproval.
And that's why Obama was not specific in the 08 campaign.
That's why everything he was a blank canvas, and you could make him whatever you wanted to be.
He was the Messiah, the agent of change and hope and all that happy horse malarkey, but there was no way he was going to be honest about what he intended to do.
No way.
Because nobody would have voted for it.
Well, he wouldn't have won.
There would have been people voted for it.
So he's been governing against the will of the people from day one.
The Democrat Party did it.
So now he's at 39% in Gallup.
And I Guarantee you he doesn't care.
Expects to be there.
But he doesn't care.
He's got a phone, he's got a pen, he's got a Republican Party afraid to do a thing, so whatever he wants to do, and his regime is just now hitting full stride.
Just a little over, basically two and a half years to go.
And now, since he didn't have to get any more votes, you have to run for re-election ever again, he is free to do as much as he can.
Last night Carville was on O'Baxter.
And the uh the uh question, you think it's fair in every area that Americans are saying he's not cutting it.
You think it's fair is disapproval so high?
You know what?
Whether it's fair or not, that's public opinion.
And I further think that honestly, I don't think he much cares about his quote number.
I think he thinks he's done and is doing a good job in history will record him, doesn't really care.
He doesn't care.
He doesn't care.
He knows.
He didn't he doesn't much care about Pope Lumber.
He doesn't care.
He's exactly right.
Carville, exactly.
Obama doesn't care.
And so it's not gonna have any impact other than PR.
Now, Obama might not care about his approval number falling.
But there are some people that do.
And they are other Democrats.
See, right now, the only way the American people can show their disapproval of Obama short of telling Gallup or whoever is to vote against Democrats.
That's it.
That's the only way.
And that is going to happen in November.
And the Democrats know it's the lower Obama goes in these polls, they the worst that they know it is gonna be for them.
Because it's gonna be a referendum on Obama.
He doesn't care.
He took office, I'm convinced, knowing full well this had to happen.
I ladies and gentlemen, I want to Obama did not win a mandate to do what he's doing because he did not campaign on any of this.
He campaigned, in fact, on just the opposite.
He's gonna rebuild roads and bridges and create jobs and lower health care premiums, and it was going to be utopia and all that, and it wasn't gonna be millions and millions and millions of people not working.
It wasn't gonna be millions and millions and millions more people on welfare.
It wasn't gonna be open borders.
It wasn't gonna be flying refugees from Honduras to the United States.
It wasn't gonna be any of that.
Had he campaigned on that, he would not have won.
But yet he knew he was going to do all of this.
He didn't tell anybody, not uh in terms of campaigning.
So he's got no mandate for it.
But doesn't matter.
This is about the fundamental transformation of America.
And by definition, it's got to happen against the will of the American people.
America is an immoral, unjust place because of the American people who've made it that way and propped it up that way.
In his eyes, you're just as much to blame as the founders.
Those of you who've prospered, those of you who do well, those of you who uh those of you who uh uh uh work hard, advance, you know, practice the whole American dream scenario, uh uh uh uh no, that's not right, not fair, not fair that you should succeed, some some others shouldn't.
It's uh it's more complicated, Matt.
The the real uh fascinating thing about this is this when did the Democrat Party make this big jump to the left as it has.
Because I remember, and it wasn't that long ago, that the Democrat Party's always had its loony-tune left, but that's what it was.
That the moderate Democrats were liberals, but the loony-tune left has taken over this party.
And the the the looney-tooned left includes all of these Democrat high-tech Silicon Valley billionaires.
The Looney Tuned left includes all the Hollywood left billionaires.
They are the loony-toon left driving this party.
They have taken it over.
The Looney Tune left involves all these environmentalists wacko, wealthy billionaires and millionaires in the Democrat Party.
The Looney Tune left is all the think tanks.
There I I can remember it wasn't that long ago that the Democrat Party was constantly at war with itself.
And there was no such thing as as as the Democrat Party being unified.
Wasn't that long ago, but there has something, something has happened.
And the Looney Tune left has taken over this party.
And they all know they're in the minority in terms of the country.
But see, they know they've got the media.
And so they can present a picture each and every day, a multiple number of pictures that make it look like they are the majority.
Make it look like everybody else is the oddball.
Everybody else is the kook.
Everybody else is the weirdo.
Everything they are is what's normal.
Everything they want is what's normal.
And by God, that's been the quest.
And Obama's leading that pack, so to speak.
Now get this story.
This is classic.
This is just classic.
It is from the Hill.com.
The headline alone.
Now keep in mind everything we have learned today, and everything we know going on, we're not going to start flying refugees.
We're going to go to Honduras and we're going to, we're going to clear kids down there to be refugees, and we're going to fly them back to America.
And if that goes well, we're going to do the same thing in Guatemala and El Salvador.
We're going to cut out the middleman, the coyotes, we're going to eliminate the trip they have to make to Meiko.
They've got open borders everywhere.
Untold number of young people and adult accompaniment, whatever, are just pouring into this country left and right in the tens of thousands.
We know this is happening.
And this headline appears at thehill.com.
House Republicans fear backlash from punting border bill to the fall.
Yeah.
See, who's in trouble here?
You got it.
The Republicans.
The Republicans are in trouble because of all this.
House Republicans, it says here, are growing anxious about leaving town for the August recess without passing a border bill, i.e., comprehensive immigration reform.
Ahead of a pivotal conference meeting that was to take place this morning.
Rank and file lawmakers are openly fretting about the question and questions they would face from constituents if they break from legislative work without taking action to address the surge of child migrants into the U.S. This is pretty hilarious, especially coming as it does from the same media outlet.
Don't forget who this is.
This is the Hill.com.
And it was only 13 days ago, July 12th, they ran a story headlined with Immigration Reform Fizzles as campaign issue for Democrats.
Ah, you remember, don't you?
You remember because I made a big deal out of that, because we've been hearing for years and years and years that unless the Republicans adopt the Democrat comprehensive immigration reform amnesty position, they're never going to win the White House again.
And Chuck Schumer and the Democrats, they so want the Republicans to win the White House.
They so want the Republicans to do the right thing.
And they're worried.
And so we had this headline for all these years.
We had this story for all these years.
The Republicans better get on board.
And they had a bunch of Republicans say the same thing.
Jeb Bush was, if they don't get on board, we're gonna exist as a party.
And any number of Republicans were saying the same thing.
And the Chamber of Commerce said, well, if you know if the Republicans are representing.
And then this story came 13 days ago that the whole immigration reform story has fizzled as a campaign issue for Democrats.
Remember how up aghast I was?
How can something that has been conventional wisdom for years fizzle?
Three months before an election to boot.
How can that happen?
And I said the only way it can happen is if it was never true in the first place.
Meaning this whole fall roll that the only chance Republicans have to ever win the White House again is amnesty was a bunch of crap from the get-go.
That they bought into, Chamber of Commerce bought into, because I guess they wanted to believe it.
They want, I guess they, their consultants had polling data that showed, hey, the Hispanics hate your guts.
And the only way to make the Hispanics not hate your guts is to sign on for Amnesty.
And I'm the consultant to tell you how to do it.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Anyway, they were buying into it.
It was the law of the land, practically.
It was so simple.
It was just if the Republicans don't sign on to this, if they don't get on the right side, then it's history for them.
And then, 13 days ago, immigration reform fizzles as campaign issue for Democrats.
How the hell does something go away that fast?
And the reason it had gone away was because of this massive onslaught we're facing at the border, because people were able to see, my God, this is what it means.
And so now, 13 days after the headline, immigration reform fizzles as campaign issue for Democrats, we get House Republicans fear backlash from punting border bill to the fall.
The I know that the latest polling data shows that 51%, and it's more than this.
This is 51% want to deport all of these kids that are arriving.
If 51% are admitting it, it's much higher than that.
This is something you lie to a pollster about, the reverse Wilder effect.
Nobody won't throw the kids back there, but 51% are saying they preferred that, it's got to be higher.
Anyway, see, all of a sudden, this whole mess is reported to be a Republican problem.
Because if they don't pass a bill to stop it, why, there's going to be hell to pay.
Their constituents, the Tea Party voters, the Republican base, they're going to be so mad, these Republicans didn't do something about it, they're going to be hell to pay.
And the Hill is hoping and praying that Republican-based voters will get so mad at Republicans for not doing about this that they'll not vote for them and vote Democrat.
It's stupid.
The Republicans know that any bill they pass isn't going to go through the Senate, and Obama's not going to sign it.
The media would love to get the Republicans on record as coming out against the children.
That's what they're trying to do here.
House Republicans fear backlash.
Maybe a couple do, and those two or three have become 435 or whatever the number of them is in there.
This is ridiculous.
Many Republicans argue that if they fail to pass a bill, even one that is a total non-starter with Democrats, they'll give Obama five weeks of open air time to pound them as do-nothing obstructionists.
Oh.
So Obama is waiting for the Republicans to come up with legislation that will stop this inflow that he will sign.
And if they don't, Obama is going to pound the Republicans for obstructionism.
Go right ahead.
Try that.
It ain't gonna work.
But try it.
I would love to see them try it.
So here we have a classic example of uh attempted media manipulation and even taunting.
Now they're taunting the Republicans and trying to shift this to a, if not a Republican responsibility, they're shifting it to a uh an issue that's now an albatross around the Republicans' neck because they aren't doing anything about it.
Republicans have much more trouble with their base than this particular instance.
And they can't assuage it with anything here.
This is not this is this classic, classic media bullying almost.
Gotta take a break back after this.
Now, what the Hill is actually trying to do, in addition to everything else, they're trying to force the Republicans to okay That $3.7 billion Obama wants to uh supposedly handle in a humanitarian way the arrival of the children from Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala.
Obama wants 3.7 billion.
And the Republicans are recalcitrant.
And so the media is trying to force the Republicans to voting for that will equate dealing with the issue.
And the Hill does not report that only $25 million of that money is going to be spent before the end of the year.
Out of $3.7 billion, only $25 million of it has been authorized before the end of the fiscal year, which is October 1st.
The rest of that money, you the vast majority of the $3.7 billion.
It's a slush fund.
Obama's asking for a slush fund.
The Republicans know it's a slush fund.
Everybody knows it's a slush fund.
We don't need 3.7 billion new dollars to spend to hang around down at the border.
We've gotten more money than we know what to do with in that regard.
This is slush fund for Democrat re-election efforts, is all it is.
And the Republicans are being bullied and pressured into giving it to Obama under the guise that if they don't, then they don't care about the children.
And it's hoped that Republican base voters will uh take it out on Republicans.
Here's uh here's Jim in Gainesville, Georgia, as we head back to the phones and open line Friday.
Hello, Rush.
It's an honor to speak to you, sir.
Great to have you, sir.
Um I'd like to thank you for uh all you do to try to educate us dumbasses out here.
All us fiddles.
And I have a question for you, sir.
I do a lot of road time, a lot of driving.
And I was wondering if you know any studies that have been done to see if the Democrats are the ones that hog the left hand lane.
They'll get up there, they'll keep pace with the car in the right hand lane and get a long line behind them.
And I just think it's pretty much Democrats that do that most of the time just because of the plates that they have on your car.
There's something that bothers you that's you think it's liberal Democrats that get in the fast lane and drive slow, clog it up.
I think so, sir.
Yes, I do.
And you're representing the dumb masses.
Is that is that who you claim to be representing, as you call?
Yes, sir.
All us infidels out here that work for a living.
Yeah, the dumb infidels, the dumb masses, right.
Um, I don't know that there is such a study on who hogs the left-hand lane.
I always, in the old days, I just I thought it was the elderly.
I tell you what I do, I just give them enemies with the car.
And generally you get somebody to move out of the way if you do that.
They might not like it.
Give them an enema, just get up.
Yeah, you gotta you gotta maintain still a safe breaking distance, but give them a little spe.
Yeah, if you if you the Volvo with Connecticut plates or the uh the Prius with either California, Massachusetts plates.
But I just did speaking of surveys, and this is another one that they didn't need a survey to make me believe it.
Apparently they just somebody, probably somebody that's uh got an infretanol, just released the results of a survey that said a group of patients that had moderate back pain, they gave them acetaminophen, which is the the official ingredient in Tylenol.
Uh ibuprofen is what's in uh Advil, this is acetaminophen.
And then they gave a same group of people, same kind of back pain, they gave them a placebo.
And what they found is that the group taking acetaminophen reported no greater pain relief than the people who took nothing.
A placebo.
Now, anybody with real serious back pain can tell you that there isn't anything over the counter that works.
I mean, if you if we're talking real serious, but you know, even moderate uh pain, it's well, anyway, somebody's got an optanoly because they why do a survey like this?
And I just I just saw it reported, in fact, on Fox, and some doctor was uh very happy about this.
He's very happy to have this news to be able to tell his patients.
New York Times right on cue has a story, Obama and the myth of presidential control.
It's another story.
Is this so sad?
It's so sad the presidency is this too big for any one man to do well anymore.
If Obama can't do it, it can't be done.
There's that.
And uh well, there's a lot of stuff left, actually.
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