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March 10, 2014 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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March 10, 2014, Monday, Hour #2
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Yes, America's Anchorman is away, and this is your undocumented anchor man, Mark Stein sitting in.
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But you will only be discombobulated by a sinister foreign guest host for one day only, because Rush is out at a uh at a late breaking charity event today, and he will return to uh take you through the rest of the week uh with full strength authentic all American excellence in broadcasting.
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And uh I I mentioned that the the big news uh tonight is part of part of this uh uh misdirection campaign that the uh Democrats are gonna be doing and will be driving you nuts over between now and uh November.
Uh a majority of Senate Democrats on Monday will launch an overnight talk a thon.
Uh an overnight but by the way, uh the Senate is supposedly uh the world's greatest uh what is it called?
The world's greatest deliberative body.
The world's greatest deliberative body.
It doesn't it doesn't it doesn't deliberate anything.
It never hold it never holds any debates on anything.
It's part of the the Potemkin theatre of uh uh uh of uh Washington politics.
So when you switch on the TV and you see a senator giving a speech to an empty room uh all by himself.
There's nobody there's nobody across on the other side of the aisle.
Uh the there's nobody w arguing with him and debating with him, so this'll just be some now they've decided to extend it and to have an overnight talk a thon.
They're going for the Guinness Book of Records, how many senators can talk to themselves overnight uh for the it's like uh and if it works, maybe they'll do it every year.
A climate change talkathon.
It'll be like the Jerry Lewis thing.
It'll be there every every every year.
When you turn some cable channel will will carry it and there'll be a one eight hundred number where you can where you'll be able to call in and donate uh if Senator Barbara Boxer manages to talk for another six hours.
Uh the overnight effort, this is from uh Susan Davis in USA Today.
Uh a majority of Senate Democrats on Monday will launch an overnight talk a thon.
They're not calling it a filibuster, apparently.
Uh because there's no legislation under debate.
You have a filibuster.
As you know, if you've seen uh uh Jimmy Stewart and Mr. Smith goes to Washington and all that, you gotta have a piece of legislation to filibuster.
Otherwise otherwise you're just talking for no point.
You could be doing it at home.
You could do being be doing it in your rec room.
But as part of the degeneration, the degeneration of America's political institutions, even though there's no legislation, they're going to stage an Urzat's pseudo filibuster, in which they just talk for no purpose, with no legislation, with nothing to talk about.
They're just gonna talk.
The Senate chamber they just booked the Senate chamber like uh you they booked it for a talk a thon, maybe if you could book it for a dance marathon, maybe you can uh book it for a bar mitzvah, maybe you can book it for whatever you were, maybe you can book it for like a trivia quiz, because apparently it's not there as a legislative body anymore.
Uh so the senators have just booked it for this all-night talk-a-thon that will go on until nine AM tomorrow morning.
So if you would like to do as President Obama did, and uh and go off and play golf in Key Largo, uh today would be a very good time.
Uh try and get back to nine AM, because when you when you switch on certain cable channels are gonna be showing this talk a thon and taking it seriously.
Uh the w the overnight effort was organized by Senator Brian Schatz, Democrat of Hawaii, uh, and is part of the recently launched Senate Climate Action Task Force headed by Senators Barbara Boxer of California and Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island.
In a statement, Boxer said Democrats wanting to wake up Congress to the dangers of climate change, and there's nothing more likely to wake you up than a seven hour speech from Barbara Boxer.
So the Democrats will uh they're attempting to do what Senator uh Ted Cruz did, if you recall, in September.
But Ted Cruz was at least trying to stop an actual bill.
Uh these senators are calling for action uh but they're not opposing any specific legislation.
And why would they?
Because th the again again, at some point at some point uh uh American citizens have to get a grip on their political institutions because these guys are laughing at you.
They're staging a filibuster, right?
Except it's not a filibuster because there's no legislation.
A filibuster is when you talk all night to prevent some form of legislation, some bill going through.
Uh but there's no bill here.
And if there was a bill, Barbara Boxer and Brian Schatz and Sheldon White House wouldn't need to filibuster it because they're in the majority.
So the bill would pass because they control the chamber.
What they're doing is hijacking the world's greatest deliberative body.
And by the way, I can't stand that phrase, uh, and I'm in favour of the total abolition of the Senate, uh after I spent I spent uh whatever it was, four weeks there during the six weeks, whatever it was during the Monica Lewinsky the Clinton impeachment trial, and uh after about three days exposure to the United States Senate, I w I was in favour of its abolition.
Uh the New Zealand did that.
They abolished their Senate.
It's uh some sometimes that's what it takes.
But but w what they're basically doing here is hijacking the Senate to stage a sort of dinner theatre version, some bus and truck summer stock version of an actual filibuster, a a stage filibuster, a phony syllabus filibuster.
Just like, and this is why it comes down to the misdirection thing, just like that fake congressional hearing they held, the Sandra Fluke testified out.
That wasn't actually a congressional hearing, it was basically they they were acting one.
They'd they'd got they brought Sandra Fluke in to testify to a bunch of Democrats in a room, so it looked like uh a congressional hearing, but it wasn't actually a congressional hearing.
They just dressed it, the set to look like a congressional hearing.
And and and this is what's going on too.
Uh there's no actual filibuster, but if you switch on certain cable channels, you'll see Barbara Boxer yakking away in the small hours in the Senate, and you'll think she's filibustering for something.
But she wouldn't need to filibuster because her lousy party controls the Senate.
It's like it's and and so we mock Kim Jong-un with his one hundred percent vote to North Korea's joke legislative assembly.
We we we think oh well you know, why do they bother going through that you know, we all know he's a big dictator who has all his enemies killed.
What's the point of even pretending there's a legislative assembly?
Never mind pretending to have elections to it.
We're doing the same thing here.
We're just a couple of stages behind.
This is nothing to do with a legislative body legislating.
This is nothing to do with the rules and proceed the parliamentary procedures of a legislative body being used uh to effect or hobble a piece of legislation.
This this is just lous this is just lousy TV.
This is like watching some low budget uh some like low budget uh version of what's that thing with Kevin Spacey, that that um remake of House of Cards.
This is like some lamo lifestyle version of House of Cards, where they couldn't they couldn't get Kevin Spacey, so they signed Sheldon White House because he did, you know, he did the music man in high school when he was twelve years old.
This is they're actually make they're laughing at you these guys.
They're doing exactly Kim Joggard, you know, when when when the when the chief electoral returns officer of North Korea walks into the presidential palace and says, I've got the results of uh today's election uh Supreme Leader, and he goes, Okay, I've been I've been chewing my fingernails to the bone, waiting for them all day.
What are they?
Let me know.
Lamb on me.
I can take it.
I don't tear.
I don't care how bad they are.
I just want the unvarnished truth.
Let me know.
And the chief elections officer of North Korea says, uh, okay.
Uh Kim Jong un Supreme Leader, one hundred percent of the vote.
Uh what was what was the name of his opponent ata?
Kim now gone.
Kim now gone, zero percent of the uh vote.
And gim, I can't believe it.
He's like Sally Field, you like me, you really like me.
He can't he can't get over it.
He can't get over it.
He's stunned.
And uh and then after the chief elections officer leaves, and he's uh and he's he's thinking about it and he's kicking loose, he's kicked off his shoes and he's watching the news analysis or whatever the uh uh on on on whatever the North Korean version of PMS NBC is, and he's kicked off his shoes and he's relaxing, and he's watching the battle.
He's laughing his head off.
He's laughing his head off at the mockery he has just made of responsible government.
And that's exactly what Barbara Boxer, Sheldon Whitehouse, Brian Schatz, and the other members of the so-called Senate Climate Action Task Force will be doing at nine o'clock tomorrow morning, after they have in effect just hijacked the United States Senate as a set for their lousy,
low budget version uh of uh uh uh uh of of actual real uh uh legislative parliamentary democratic republican government.
Uh what they've done is they're making a mockery of the United States Constitution, a mockery of the United States Senate, a mockery of their own own rules and proceeding.
You know, it would be nice.
They don't have to be the world's greatest deliberative body.
At this stage, it would be kind of impressive if they were just the world's hundred and eighth greatest deliberative body.
If they actually uh if they actually, instead of just being a Patemkin uh Parliament, a uh uh a uh uh providing this uh rinky dink tacky cardboard theater of uh legislative action uh that where they actually did genuinely deliberate things.
But no, instead you'll switch on the TV and Barbara Boxer will be talking rubbish about climate change for three hours.
What about what's the carbon footprint on that?
What's the carbon footprint on keeping the Senate lights on all night, even if they're just full of those lousy Carly Fry light bulb uh things casting their sepulchral groom over Barbara Boxer's exquisitely made up face?
What is the point of this?
What is the point of this?
And this is what too much of it has come down to now.
Uh and Republicans are to blame for going along with all this too.
This shadow theater, this uh this this pointless charade.
And in the end, you know, somewhere in conference they get together and whatever you thought you'd voted on in the House or in the Senate or agreed just gets ramped up to whatever they were gonna do anyway.
They're making fools of you.
They're making they're not as murderously as Kim Jong-un, but with exactly the same contempt for you.
Mark Stein in for Rush, 1-800-282-2882.
Mark Stein in for Rush on the Excellence in Broadcasting Network.
Let's go to Robert in Clearwater, Florida, Florida, whence uh President Obama has just returned after a grueling weekend of golf.
It's always really nice to hear you.
Thank thanks, thanks a lot, Robert.
What's what's on your mind today?
Well, I tell you, you know, all these uh all this talk of um all the things happening overseas and all the um all that talk.
I uh that doesn't really bother me, Mark.
I'll tell you what.
Um I've owned my company for uh for 14 years now.
It's a small carbon cleaning company, upholstery cleaning, screaming car cleaning company.
Um back in 07, um I had five employees.
I slowly had to start whittling away, and now I'm down to working just myself.
Okay.
Wait, wait, wait a minute.
I'm sorry.
Wait, wait a minute.
So you had five employees, and now it's just you.
Now it's just me.
That's correct.
Um I work seventy-five to eighty hours a week on um uh six days a week.
I take one day off um to go to church with my family, who I love very much.
Okay, and I'm tired of being told that I'm one of the um people that uh that are very wealthy and I can uh support all these people that are coming into the country illegally, uh giving food stamps and welfare and and all this, and tired of being told I'm one of the evil rich.
Markham tell me what I am just so fed up with this.
It's just I I I can't even see straight.
Um sometimes I I let me tell you a little personal story.
About a month ago, uh I ended up in the in the hospital, and I thought I was having a heart attack, and it wasn't that it was just due to stress.
Because my blood my blood pressure is going through the roof.
Okay.
And this president is is physically wearing me out and he's wearing my wife out and all the other people that I know.
And and I just I'm to the point now, Mark, where I just don't even know what to do.
I'm just I'm just so upset.
Why why have why have you downsized your your workforce?
What what what was the main reason for?
Well, because because nobody nobody wants to have things uh cleaned as often as as they did before.
Um the the work is just has just my my income is has been cut in half.
It's been cut in half.
And this and this uh you're talking about the the last uh five years because what uh you're you're in a uh i in a cleaning business like carpet cleaning up holstery, that kind of thing.
Correct, yeah.
It's it started back in um back in seven, um oh seven.
Um things are just uh slowly pr uh progressed to the point that they're at right now.
Um hire more people again in the future.
Um but you know what?
He's just taking a dream of owning uh owning a small business and just really um um really degraded it to the point now where it's I don't even know what to do.
Because because one of the things presumably is that when the economy headed south in in uh late 2008, 2009, uh something like uh uh keeping keeping your carpet spick and span and looking at its best becomes a discretionary item for people.
If if the economy is buzzing along, you can afford to do things like that, but then if uh once it starts to head south, you decide maybe we'll wait a couple more months.
Maybe we maybe instead of having the carpets cleaned every three months, we'll we'll we'll do it every six months, or we'll do it every year or whatever.
And Robert is Robert is typical of what it means to be a businessman in this country.
Listen to what he said.
He said he's working seventy to five to eighty hours a week.
He's he's the he's the people he's the guy that this administration has been waging war on.
By the way, there's less experience of what Robert does in this administration than in any U.S. administration going back a century.
In other words, less private sector experience.
Unless you can count uh John Kerry, who was the sleeping partner in a donut stand in Boston uh for one summer before he was uh before he was elected uh to uh to to Washington.
Other than that, th these guys have never had to do what Robert did with his five employees, me to pay well.
Once you do that, you realize actually how complicated it is, how bureaucratic it is to hire anyone to work for you in this country.
I I hired someone, you actually used to be an employee of the uh uh uh of EIB uh uh uh who uh who came to work for me.
She lived in uh New York State because she went uh into uh Russia's uh office in New York and worked there every day.
I had a heard work from me.
I had no idea the comp the paperwork you have to fill in and the taxes you have to pay for the privilege of hiring a New Yorker, even when you do it from uh uh whatever it is, three or four states away in New Hampshire.
Uh I would never hire anyone from New York again.
I would rather hire somebody from the jungles of Papua New Guinea to work for me, because there's less paperwork.
Uh Robert has a bit I don't know whether he has a uh uh uh a C corporation or an S corporation or whatever it is.
America has the highest corporate tax rates in the developed world.
All the places that America thinks of as uh socialist basket cases have significantly lower corporate taxes uh than uh than the United States is or Scandinavia.
Uh the socialist socialist Scandinavia has lower corporate taxes than the United States.
Regulation.
Federal regulation alone consumes uh consumes ten percent of GDP.
That's just federal regulation before you add in your state and municipal and all the rest of it.
Uh one in uh in the nineteen fifties, I think it was one in twenty jobs required some kind of government license uh or permit.
Now it's down to something like one in three.
In other words, you can't uh you think of all this rubbish we're coming up to tax time.
So this is the time when everybody's juggling W twos and 1099s and all the rest of the things back.
What is what is the cutoff for uh 1099?
Was it now six hundred dollars?
One American cannot write a check to another American without having to fill in a government form.
This is why the country is seizing up.
It's turning into the Republic of paperwork.
And Robert, uh it's it's not the Koch brothers or the sinister people who are at the sharp end of it.
It's guys like Robert working 75 to 80 hours a week trying to keep a small one-man business going.
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I mentioned at the top of the hour uh the uh when I was talking about this climate change talkathon that Barbara Boxer is uh is um is gonna be doing live from the Senate tonight.
And actually that's a good way of reducing America's carbon footprint because everyone will be uh turning the lights off and uh going to bed early and leaving her to yak away to herself in the Senate.
So it may do some good in terms of saving the planet and uh preventing the rise of the oceans and all the other things.
Um but somebody said, Well, you mentioned this uh this court case.
What i what is this?
It's against uh somebody uh a couple of people twerked me about it, tweeting tr twittered me of it.
Twerked, tweeted, I forget what it was.
Uh but uh it's coming to the District of Columbia Superior Court, the hockey stick guy is uh a guy called Michael Mann is suing me for mocking his hockey stick.
And uh I'm counter suing him for uh I think it's twenty million dollars now, uh, because you never you don't get taken seriously in the American system unless it's at least an eight-figure sum.
So uh that's that's I'm pushing back hard against this.
And I actually I actually think this is quite important.
I think uh for me this is a free speech issue.
This is about how the left increasingly doesn't want to win the argument.
It would rather just not have the argument.
And the easiest way to do that is to sue you into shutting up, as is happening to me in the uh in the District of Columbia, and or to uh get the government bureaucrats to tie up in paperwork so that you effectively shut up,
which is what the IRS did to a lot of the Tea Party groups, uh or basically just to uh d just to get you banned uh outright to to declare uh that what you say is apostasy, uh which is what the Los Angeles Times has done with opponents of climate change.
The Los Angeles Times won't print any uh any commentary or letters from people who are climate change skeptics.
This is a broke dying newspaper in one of America's major cities.
Really, it's quite disgraceful that if if you were to go to any city of comparable size and influence.
It's an influential city in a in America.
It's uh Hollywood.
There's a lot to write about.
It has it has it's a dull one newspaper town whose dull newspaper is institutionally committed to becoming even duller because it won't it has announced that it won't run any contrary views to apostasy.
So it's it's no it's no different from the Yemeni Times.
The Los Angeles Times is no different from the Yemeni Times or the Waziristani Times, where where the mullahs say you can't you can't put anything in that questions Sharia that uh questions Islam or anything.
And the climate mullers uh the are Exactly the same.
They just want it they want the conversation to go away.
They don't want there to be a discussion.
And the Los Angeles Times goes along with that and says we're not going to print any uh contradictory uh contradictory letters.
So I'm uh for me this is a free speech uh issue.
Um and obviously it's a long shot because I'll be coming up in front of a DC jury, I'll be the uh weird foreigner with the sinister accent and uh attempting to persuade uh twelve members of a DC j j jury.
And it's I don't uh it might not go well for me, and I'm I'm entirely I'm trying to fund it entirely by uh my my defense by sales of my Christmas disco CD.
So if you want to uh swing by my website buy a Christmas disco CD, uh we might be good for another ten minutes worth of uh discovery and deposition.
But we'll go we'll be going to trial, I hope.
I hope uh by the way, don't get me started on the on the US justice system, because like I'm I'm like a uh of uh all foreigners, like the the uh the the seven billion people on the planet and everyone except the three hundred million Americans.
The only thing they know about the US justice system is that it takes up decades of your life and it's runoffly expensive.
And as someone who loves America and lives here, I always vaguely felt there must be more to it than that, but actually it turns out there isn't.
So I'm uh I'm I'm on the receiving end of US justice uh at the moment, and uh and if you if you uh would like to buy my Christmas disco CD, uh be it or or or some other fine product uh and uh help support my defense, I'd be awfully grateful.
Let's go to Patricia in Bristol, Indiana.
Patricia, you're live on the Rush Limbaugh Show.
Great to have you with us.
Good afternoon, Mark.
My intent for calling this afternoon was to share with other Rush listeners uh our experience that my husband and myself are going through uh at the moment.
Um we've been following all along the happenings uh and shenanigans going on at the IRS and have been quite disturbed, but our um level of disturbance has skyrocketed this weekend when we received a letter from the IRS that we are going to get audited for our twenty thirteen taxes.
Right and we get our taxes prepared by a professional, uh and but we have yet to submit the taxes.
Now, yeah, just just b just back up a minute here, Patricia, because it's March the tenth and you file your taxes, you you the the the law requires you to file your taxes on April the fifteenth, is that right?
Uh I would assume so.
My husband takes care of it.
I sign the dotted lines and go over 'em with 'em.
Okay.
So so so we're now five five weeks before you file your taxes, the IRS has announced that it's auditing you for them.
Correct.
We received uh an official letter.
We had our preparer go and look up to make sure that it wasn't a hoax or somebody playing a prank on us, and it is in fact a official letter from the IRS that we will be getting audited for in essence taxes that we have yet to submit.
So uh and we are just, you know, Mr. Mrs. Smith, not anything unusual about it.
Right, right, right.
Um the only thing that we have done that may um and my my husband is calling me a um uh being a little too suspicious, is that we contributed to Governor Romney's.
Now it all makes sense.
Now it all makes sense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So w m me um being uh watching all the IRS going, I'm trying to tell my husband they're trying to scare people off from contributing to any of the midterm or future general election.
No, this is this is we've yet to we've yet to submit our taxes, and we're gonna get audited.
Right.
You're being you're essentially being pre-audited For taxes you haven't filed.
For taxes which are not yet due.
So they don't know.
They don't actually know what taxes you filed.
You may be you you you it's between you and your accountant right now, and uh and you may be sending them a check for twenty-seven dollars on April the fifteenth, or you may be sending them a check for forty-five thousand dollars.
They have no idea they don't know.
They don't actually know what your tax twenty thirteen tax return is, but they've decided to audit it.
No, but my guess is that they know our political affiliation and what we have contributed and to whom we've contributed by their data mining, I would suppose.
Well, the only logical thing I can come up with uh until we speak with them in the future.
But I thought it was very suspicious that we get an official letter that um they've already picked us out to audit when they don't have our taxes yet.
Well well, Patricia, I would I would say a couple of things here.
First, I think it's actually it's actually important to push back against this.
And I know that's difficult.
The temptation is they always want you.
Uh because everybody who deals with the IRS, when you get a letter or a phone call, you know that if you don't respond within a certain amount of time, they can freeze your bank accounts, they can they can take out a lien on your house, they can they can take your savings, they can take your kids' savings.
If your kids got a little uh bank account with uh with with uh forty-three bucks in it, they can take that.
They can do anything they want.
So the temptation always is to come to some arrangement with them, to come to some to to be affable and friendly with them.
But you have to you uh uh this is extraordinary to me to be pre preemptively audited for a tax return you haven't yet filed, uh, is something that should not be going on in a respectable country.
It should not be happening.
And so you should push back on the legitimacy of this.
The first thing that should be done, either by whoever whoever does is your tax preparer, or if necessary by a lawyer, is to say, well, what basis, or actually by you.
On what basis do you presume to do that?
Where is the regulation?
I mean, we accept that, as I said earlier, Magna Carta doesn't uh was was torn up by the uh by the IRS.
Basic rights such as uh due process and uh the right to be uh to a trial and to be convicted in a court of a crime before you're subjected uh to forfeiture and seizure, uh the IRS doesn't have to abide by.
That in itself is disgraceful.
When in fact, we when let's say they were to audit you for your twenty thirteen taxes, which is absurd, because as you say, we're five weeks from the filing date.
So uh that let's say they did it super quickly and decided in two weeks that they had the right to seize your car or to seize your savings account or your f your 401k or whatever, three weeks before you in fact the filing deadline.
This is tyrannous.
This is absolutely this this is why the IRS cannot be reformed and why it needs to be replaced with a far more dramatically circumscribed agency that does not have these kinds of powers, Patricia.
And I know it's tough, because one of the things you learn when you land in America and you come for the first year, first time you file your tax return, is that Americans have a different attitude uh to the IRS than the way uh the Canadians or the Australians or the British uh do to her Majesty's revenue and customs in uh London or Canberra or Ottawa or whatever,
and that Americans are actually scared of their tax revenue agency in a way that is unbecoming to a free people.
And it's tough because uh Patricia is just somebody she's in as she said, she's they're Mr. and Mrs. Smith in Bristol, Indiana, and they're up against them a powerful government with unlimited powers.
But this is not something that civilized societies do.
Uh preemptively auditing you for a tax return that has yet to be filed, and we are five weeks away uh from the official deadline for filing taxes.
Mark sign in for us, more straight ahead.
Hey, let's go to John in Libertyville, Illinois.
John, you're live on the Rush Limbo show.
Great to have you with us.
Hi, Mark.
Um I was interested in the comment you made uh before the top of the hour.
You said that the the two Party organizations that were picked on by the IRS might have changed the outcome of the election if they've been left alone.
And I I thought that was kind of interesting because it seems to me it confirms once and for all that even you believe that those organizations were political organizations trying to change the outcome of an election and not organizations that were engaged in social welfare as they were pretending to be for the purpose of applying for tax exempt status.
I mean, after all, they weren't engaged in social welfare, they were trying to change the outcome of the election, right?
Well, let's put it this way.
I said up front that I don't in an ideal world I wouldn't have all this 501 C three, 501 C four, all that nonsense.
If we had a simplified tax code uh and a reasonable level of taxation, uh then there would be no need for it.
But if we are gonna have them, 501 C4s are uh the the when they engage in their social activities, changing uh uh uh explicitly political election activity cannot be their principal function.
But they have all kinds of 501c4s who uh uh there's a group called American Family Voices, which is some Democrat group headed by a uh a former Clinton guy.
They're big players, they were one of the biggest spenders, biggest players in the elections.
Um Planned Parenthood has a 501c4 uh that ac actively uh actively uh intervenes in the electoral process in order to ensure that people uh whose interests are perceived to align with planned hair parenthood wind up in the Yep.
My question for you then is maybe instead of like you've identified some liberal organizations or or not conservative organizations that you think are involved in influencing the outcome of elections.
Maybe you could tell me what Tea Party organizations do you feel the IRS treated unfairly.
Which which one of them were primarily engaged in social welfare activities that didn't have to do with influence the outcome of an election?
Because I can't think of any.
All the Tea Party organizations I know of are about affecting the outcome of elections, and that's political activity.
So you tell me what sort of thing is.
Well, well, well again that well again, John, that that depend I would say, John, uh that that actually that actually that that depends on how you look at it.
The reality is though, the reality is though, uh that American family voices uh exist principally for the purpose of changing elections.
The thing is, the thing is you can't have two sets of rules accord you can't have tax laws.
If you're gonna have 501 C4s, they have to be licensed uh fairly according to different groups.
When you have a situation uh where Tea Party groups, groups on one side of the spectrum are held up for months, years on end, uh, but other groups sail through the process, like the group in Maine or whatever it was, then that's not applying the tax laws equally.
I mean, this is by the way, by the way, John.
By the way, John, I'll acco I'll agree as I said, I agree with you that I don't think that in an ideal world these groups wouldn't exist.
Most of the U.S. tax code, which is a vile abomination, a vile abomination that no person can understand.
So it uh so it di destroys the principle that ignorance of the law is no excuse because nobody, no matter how expert they are, can be uh can be up to speed on the U.S. tax laws.
Uh so it's all about the opt-outs.
It's all about the exemptions.
It's all about which little group and that in itself undermines equality before the law.
But people people have come to accept it.
But what absolutely destroys the integrity and rots the heart of a nation is if those laws are applied selectively according to the political beliefs uh of uh of of uh particular groups of citizens.
And that is the issue here, John.
That is the issue here.
It's not something you guys can win.
You guys can win.
There's no argument about this.
It's a 50-50 nation at best, and you guys have got all these uh all these other groups, you've got the media, you've got all the the th if you formally need to use the tax collection agency of the government to chastise and punish your political enemies, to punish ordinary citizens who made the mistake uh of making some ity bitsy donation uh to your political opponent.
You guys are doing it wrong.
You're the geniuses.
We've just uh we we've just pointed out you got one hundred percent of the vote in fifty-nine Philadelphia precincts in nine Cleveland precincts.
If you guys need to do this, you should look at you should take a good long look inside yourself, because you ain't doing it right.
Mark's time for us more to come.
About a hundred miles south of John in Libertyville, Illinois, is Champaign, Illinois.
Their Tea Party group was approved by the IRS in February 2010.
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