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May 4, 2011 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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May 4, 2011, Wednesday, Hour #1
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Welcome to today's edition of the Rush 24-7 podcast.
Yeah, Geronimo.
Geronimo.
The top staffer for the Senate Indian Affairs Committee is objecting to the military's use of the code name Geronimo for Osama bin Laden during the raid that killed the I Al Qaeda leader, Geronimo, an Apache leader.
In the 19th century, one of the greatest Native American heroes to link him with one of the most hated enemies of the U.S., that ain't cool.
In the midst of all this, they're upset about the word Geronimo.
Hi, my friends, and welcome.
I am Rush Limbaugh, the big voice on the right.
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So Nan, have we got a lot to do today here?
And as the big voice on the right, uh no better place for you to be than to hear all about it.
Now, first up, uh, ladies and gentlemen, you know there's some t-shirts that are going to be coming out.
I we're we're thinking about uh adding uh uh some some obviously some uh uh merchandise to our thriving licensed merchandise line at Club Gitmo.
Um and I'm sure that uh the regime is plotting its own t-shirt release.
One of the t-shirt releases, one of the one of the things I've heard that they're planning at the regime is um a t-shirt that says Obama killed Osama.
Obama killed Osama.
But let's add some things to it.
For our t-shirt, and look, I'm just speculating here.
I'm just this is not in the works.
I'm just I'm just I'm just thinking out loud here.
This is not in the works.
Our t-shirt, Obama killed in giant font, giant giant, giant right on the front, Obama Obama killed Osama on the back, and ten teenage Somali pirates, and three Qaddafi grandkids, and two Osama wives, and got a peace prize for it.
You you buy that, you buy that shirt right now.
You buy that shirt and wear it proudly.
From our Club Gitmo line at the EIB store.
Yeah, Obama killed Osama on the front, on the back, and what?
Ten teenage Somali pirates, three Qaddafi grandkids, two Osama wives, and got a peace prize for doing it.
All right, this uh photo business.
This photo business, ladies and gentlemen, I can't believe this.
All of this dithering about whether to release the photo.
I know what's going on here.
They are going to release the photo.
They are they are stretching this out perhaps, because we've got bad bad news on jobs, so they they might be stretching this out till tomorrow or Friday, the jobs number, private sector adds 179,000 jobs in April.
This is from ADP.
This is not official Bureau of Labor numbers, but uh that's fewer jobs than expected.
That's a Reuters story.
U.S. private employers added fewer jobs than expected in April, disappointing some who had been looking for stronger growth ahead of Friday's key jobs reports.
So you have you have the uh you have these photos and and they're just waiting to be released, and all this news about Panetta wants them out.
And by the way, does it not appear that Panetta is running this administration?
Mikey, you look at some of the stories that are out there.
Panetta made the call to to start the op.
Panetta did it.
Panetta's out there all over the place saying, yeah, waterboarding was used.
Panetta said it.
The regime sent somebody out to MSNB.
I've got to tell you what I did.
I I haven't watched MSNBC, and gosh, I don't know how long.
And I decided I wasn't gonna eat dinner last Night, but I decided I caved.
And I w I I left my library, for those of you in Rio Linda, and I uh I walked about a quarter of a mile to my kitchen.
And I was really hungry after that.
So the uh chef had left some uh some some pasta and stuff in the fridge.
I got in there and I nuked it.
Now normally what I do when I eat quickly, I guess grab a newspaper and and and thumb through it uh for areas of the paper I don't read during show prep, you know, like wedding announcements and that stuff, just to have something to do while chowing down.
I decided you don't want to turn on television.
And I turned it on, and uh Ted Baxter show came on, so whoever was watching that TV had been watching Fox.
I said, Oh, let me switch over and see what's happening at PMS NBC.
And and Lawrence O'Donnell was on, and uh my my friends I'm watching that show, and I I literally think I feel like I'm in a in a hotel room in a foreign country watching local news in a foreign country.
I I I it was just mind-boggling.
Oh, and and what Lawrence O'Donnell was all upset about is it was in damage control over the fact that all of these Bush policies had been used to successfully pull off this operation, they're doing damage control.
And one of the things they were doing damage control over was Panetta saying that waterboarding had been used.
Here, let's go to the audio sound bites.
And uh well, let's start at number six.
This is last night on the NBC Nightly News with uh Bry Why.
Brian Williams.
Williams said, Are you are you denying that waterboarding was uh in part among the tactics used to extract the intelligence that led to this successful mission?
No, I think some of the detainees uh clearly were uh, you know, they used these enhanced uh interrogation techniques against some of these detainees.
Enhanced interrogation techniques, which has always been kind of uh a handy euphorism in these post-9-11 years that it includes waterboarding.
That's correct.
Yeah.
You have it.
I mean, Panetta said waterboarding.
He had said it before last night with Bri on the NBC Nightly News.
Brian Williams.
He'd said it before that.
Now there were three people.
We we waterboarded three guys.
Uh one was uh uh Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, one was Abu Zabida, and I forget the human, but they were not waterboarded at Gitmo.
They were waterboarded elsewhere.
It doesn't matter who it is, sturdy.
You know, one I'll yeah, yeah, it's a d you know, your I Libby is my I'll hide it.
And it doesn't matter.
It was the the uh it was there were three guys and they were all waterboarded at the black site prisons, the CIA prisons before they got to Gitmo.
Rumsfeld has admitted this.
So here you had you have Panetta, who I actually think, folks, the more the more things spill out, the aftermath of this story we're getting, it's getting more and more confused.
There's more and more contradictions about what happened, what didn't happen, why what happened happened, or why what didn't happen didn't happen.
I it seems like Panetta is is um really at the helm here.
So there he is.
He says waterboarding was used.
Whoa, folks.
I mean, this ruins everything.
I mean it just it's it's like Ronald Reagan coming on saying, no, I was never for tax cuts.
Uh tax increases are the way to go.
It was just I can't tell you the utter devastation Panetta's statement caused everybody on the left.
That takes us to PMS NBC, and Lawrence O'Donnell, last word, when I turned it in, tuned it in when I felt like I was watching a local news show in a foreign country in a hotel.
O'Donnell had as his guest the deputy national security advisor Dennis McDonough.
And here's the question.
O'Donnell said candidate Obama spoke strongly against waterboarding.
Director Panetta has now confirmed to Brian Williams that some of the detainees who provided some of the info that had uh Created the chain of information eventually led to the killing of bin Laden.
Let me ask you this.
Did any useful information, any useful information that led to this mission come from waterboarding?
Damage good.
So Panetta has just said it two hours earlier on the NBC Nightly News.
Two hours later at the Triple A team in SNBC.
Lawrence O'Donnell has got to do something here to do damage control.
So he asked this guy McDonough, the deputy national security advisor.
Come on, was waterboarding really used?
I don't think that's right.
I just took a look at the transcript.
I think that's uh an overstatement.
He did not say that.
It's very uh clear that this is the result of an intense and very complex, very effective intelligence operation over the course of uh many, many years.
I'm not gonna stand here uh and tell you definitively or categorically what every piece of that information was.
Okay.
This guy, by the way, looks like he is uh just recently off the cast of the Adams family, by the way.
So let's go back and grab sound by number six.
Of the major leagues, NBC Nightly News, Leon Panetta told Ryan Williams this.
Oh, I think some of the detainees uh clearly were uh, you know, they use these enhanced uh interrogation techniques against some of these detainees.
Enhanced interrogation techniques, which has always been kind of uh a handy euphorism in these post-911 years, that it includes waterboarding.
That's correct.
Right.
You you just heard it.
And Panetta confirms enhanced interrogation techniques, waterboarding, and the question was waterboarding, key parting successful mission.
Panetta said, yeah.
You heard it.
I mean, it's it's unambiguous, right?
So, two hours later at Triple A, PMS NBC, damage control, a lesser member of the regime asked to comment on what Panetta just said.
I don't think that's right.
I just took a look at the transcript.
I think that's uh an overstatement.
He did not say that.
It's very uh clear that this is the result of an intense and very complex, very effective intelligence operation over the course of uh many, many years.
I'm not gonna stand here uh and tell you definitively or categorically what every piece of that information was.
Yeah.
So uh now Rumsfeld, let's just be fair here.
Rumsfeld has said the information that led to the killing of bin Laden was obtained through normal interrogation approaches, and the notion that uh the suspects are waterboarded at Gitmo's a myth.
They were they they were waterboard, these three guys, but at the CIA black prisons, the black sites, and so forth.
So uh they've made Panetta look like a hawk for crying out loud.
Leon Panetta, they've made him look like a but he's running this show, or he is he's he's very near the upper echelon of this show.
But a member of the regime had to go out and say, no, he didn't say that.
So they don't know what they're doing.
They're they're they're not coordinated in their portrayal here of this event.
Uh clearly the stories that uh make up the aftermath of this are all over the ballpark.
But I want to want to add on one other thing to this t-shirt.
On the front of our t-shirt, there's no t-shirt yet.
Don't send in your orders.
We're just thinking out loud here.
Obama killed Osama on the front, giant, giant letters on the back, and ten teenage Somali pirates, whatever.
Three Qaddafi grandkids, two Osama wives, the United States economy, and got a peace prize for doing it.
And speaking of gutsy decisions, let me address.
Let me address this one, uh, ladies and gentlemen.
Isn't it a bit of a stretch now?
And we'll back all this up here as the program unfolds we go through the stack.
Isn't it a bit of a stretch to keep calling the decision to go after bin Laden such a gutsy call?
I have noticed this is being ramped up as the days are added on.
The decision is is referenced as gutsier and gutsier and becomes gutzier every day.
It was uh I mean it was gutsy on Sunday, but on Monday was really gutsy, and yesterday it was profoundly gutsy.
And today it was unbelievably incomprehensibly gutsy.
But isn't that a bit of a stretch?
Especially in view of the fact, look at it this way.
If it ever got out that Obama had passed on a chance at capturing or killing bin Laden, Obama's political career is over.
You know, once they tell him we've got him, even at that it took 16 hours.
Even after they told him it took 16 hours for him to make a decision, but I think that he had no choice whatsoever to go after bin Laden, one way or the other.
You know, they I know they're saying that Gutsy is is using the seal up, the ground up, rather than drones or missiles or bombs.
But the bottom line is that Obama had to act.
Look at all the people in the chain of command who knew.
It would not have been possible to keep it secret.
It would not have been to keep the lid on the fact that they had Obama and somewhere at the top, an executive decision was made not to go in.
There was a movie made about that in a previous incarnation with Bill Clinton, The Path to 9-11.
Remember that movie, ABC ran it?
Well, no.
Did they No, I'm having a mental block.
The Clintons put all kinds of pressure on ABC not to run it.
Oh yeah, and then they did run it, and they cut something like a minute and a half out of it.
And then they didn't release any DVDs.
That's what it was.
The Path to 9-11 had no DVDs.
And the premise of the movie PAP to 9-11 was we had bin Laden and the Clintons didn't want to do anything about it.
So you had a repeat of the circumstance here, possibly.
If if everybody in the chip, if you had thousands of people here, well, at least hundreds who knew that bin Laden was in that compound.
And if Obama had not acted, some people would have been really ticked off about it, and it would have it would have leaked that Obama had refused to act.
And he would have never survived that scenario politically.
So, okay, gutsy, but he had to at the same time.
So now, or then it became a uh a question of how.
Okay, so what are we where are we now?
Well, they've got the photo.
What to do about the photo?
And the longer they dangle the photo release decision, you know, there's a there's an upside.
If the lead story or close to the lead story every day is the photo.
When's it coming?
What if the photo show?
Oh, is it so gruesome we want our children to all of this?
Well, then the more people are distracted from the slow job growth, flagging economy, rising gasoline price.
You know, none of that's getting any better.
The economic news is getting worse.
So the longer you can keep this photo release near the top of the stack, uh, the better off you are.
But I again, you know, I I I look and listen to all of the punditry and the talk about releasing the photo of uh bin Laden and the video of the burial ceremony, and I'm struck.
Because you remembered the media could not wait to see flag draped coffins of our brave heroes coming home from Iraq.
They demanded to be present at Dover when the planes landed and the flag draped coffins were removed from the transport planes.
They couldn't wait.
How about the pictures from Abu Ghrab?
Oh, they couldn't wait to publish those pictures.
Remember that?
Oh, when those pictures came out, why that was a cause celebrity, and they had to get those pictures out.
Now, when it comes to the flag draped coffins of our heroes coming home from Afghanistan and Iraq, or the pictures of Abu Ghraib, did anybody, the media of the Democrats, did they care about the effects on our troops?
They care about the effects on the families of the troops.
Did they care about morale?
They care about the effect it might have in giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
No, no, no.
Did they did they give a whit about any characteristic they say they care about here?
Oh, you know, we really don't want to inflame Muslim tensions around.
Inflame Muslim tensions.
Hell a Taliban's demanding the pictures be released.
There are a lot of people out there on the Muslim side demanding proof.
They don't believe it yet.
And what is all this newfound concern here?
Um recruiting additional terror.
They hate us anyway.
They can't hate us any more than they do.
Now these photos, if you ask me, they ought to be released because we want to see them.
That's a good enough reason right there.
We the people want to see these things.
There's no intel or security issue with releasing them.
We can decide if they're appropriate to look at or not.
I mean, for crying out loud, we all sat and watched for hours.
The World Trade Centers tumble.
Some saw people leaping to their deaths from 110 stories high.
So I think they're purposely stringing all this out.
What else does he have?
What else does he have to distract people from the bad economic news?
And I also think he's desperately trying to recreate the nation's unity after 9-11.
And frankly, he can't.
You know, the the main reason is that speech he gave, we didn't rally around Bush after 9-11.
We rallied around a nation.
We rallied around our fellow citizens after that shock.
We demanded retribution.
Bush's pull numbers went up, but it was never about Bush.
He never made it about himself.
Obama is making all of this about him.
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Speaking of photos, speaking of photos, this from the Hill.com.
President Obama will participate a wreath laying ceremony and visit with 9-11 families and first responders during his first visit Thursday to New York City.
Well, 9-11.
Uh the ground zero.
The president will lay the wreaths during a ceremony at the 9-11 memorial located near Ground Zero.
The former site of the World Trade Center Towers destroyed during 9-11.
Now it has been reported, I've read it, that the 9-11 families have been selected to participate.
Also that President Bush was invited to appear, but he declined.
Why, Snertley?
Why do you think George W. Bush declined?
You don't know.
You don't know, do you?
You're stumped.
You don't have a s right, Snerdley says that George W. Bush does not want to be co-opted by or, you know, used.
Is that what you mean?
I uh I think the the uh ans that there may be a grain of truth in it.
I think the uh real reason is is that Bush does not want to participate in politicizing any of this.
He never made this about himself.
And he doesn't want to participate in something that is a made-to-order photo up about politicians.
I don't think he wants any part of something that he says, look, I've I'm I I'm out on limelight now.
I'm an ex-president.
This is not my gig.
But I just uh knowing him as I do, I just don't I don't I don't think he wants to be part of anything that might appear to be politicized, especially about this.
Because remember, he never made this about himself.
Contrary to what everybody wants to think.
And yet this regime and its state control media, it's all about Obama.
Even now the stories remain, it's still every column in the news media, every every story practically about this related to Obama in some way.
Will it benefit him?
How much will it benefit him?
Will it not benefit him?
How long will it last if he gets a bump?
Is there a bump?
Why is the bump so small?
I mean, it never it is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, there even some of them there's still reports there that Rush Limbo said, thank God for Obama.
At any rate, uh, by the way, uh, ladies and gentlemen, the damage control on whether or not waterboarding had any effect on intelligence gathering for this successful mission continues.
Diane Feinstein, this is from the San Francisco Chronicle.
Senator Diane Feinstein, chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said yesterday, none this is Wednesday, right?
This is when okay, so yesterday she said none of the information that led to the killing of Obama came from torture or harsh detention policies practiced under the Bush regime.
In a briefing for reporters, Feinstein called the decision by Obama to send armed commandos to bin Laden's compound, a gutsy call.
Well, again, he had to.
He had to.
Too many people knew that bin Laden was there.
Hundreds of people, if not more, knew that bin Laden was there.
It's a bit of a stretch to keep calling this gutsy.
Because if ever got out that Obama knew he was there and didn't launch the assault, did have been hell to pay.
Okay.
Mark my words.
Here's Rumsfeld, by the way.
This is last night, this from Hannity on Fox.
Hannity said, look, I think it's pretty clear now that discovering who this courier was through strong interrogation techniques that were employed during the Bush administration, without which this day would never have occurred.
Seems to me we need to reignite this debate about enhanced interrogation in this country.
Is that a good idea?
Anyone who suggests that the enhanced techniques, let's be blunt, waterboarding, did not produce an enormous amount of valuable intelligence, just isn't facing the truth.
The facts are uh General Mike Hayden came in, he had no connection with waterboarding anybody.
He looked at all the evidence and concluded that a major fraction of the intelligence in our country on Al Qaeda came from individuals, the three only three people who were waterboarded.
And by the way, let's also be clear, those three were waterboarded by the CIA in their black op prisons.
They were not waterboarded by the DOD.
You know, the people that Dick Durbin called the Nazis and the equivalents of uh the Soviet gulag prisoners or pole potts gang.
The CIA did the waterboarding.
Didn't happen at uh at Club Gitmo.
Our old buddy Jake Tapper, ABC News, President Obama increasingly doubtful that there's a compelling reason to release a photograph of bin Laden's corpse.
There don't seem to be many skeptics of bin Laden's death in the Muslim world with bin Laden's wife having survived the attack to identify his death both to the Navy SEALs and Pakistani authorities.
Meanwhile, sources say Defense Secretary Robert Gates and the Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Rodham are advising the president about concerns at the Pentagon, the State Department that releasing a picture could prompt a backlash against the U.S. for killing bin Laden where one does not seem to currently exist.
Well that's sophistry.
The internal debate at the White House is then informed by this question.
Why are we releasing this photograph and nobody seems to really doubt his death And releasing it could cause more harm than good.
U.S. official, the only skeptics are extremists, and they wouldn't be convinced by a photograph anyway, so the president has to weigh the potential negatives, and they're huge.
There's a tremendous risk of the photo becoming a rallying cry for attacks against U.S. soldiers.
Oh, come on.
U.S. soldiers are being attacked every day anyway, regardless whether the photo gets released.
If everybody believes that the U.S. has killed bin Laden, why would a photograph provoke any additional anger for crying out loud committing the act is enough?
I know we're dealing with irrational people here.
But why try to second guess them?
Or worse, why why try to placate these people?
Now what was the reason for using ground forces anyway?
No, no.
I mean it.
In the big scheme of things.
What was the reason for using ground forces?
Was it only to prevent collateral damage?
Or did they want to collect Bin Laden's body?
If it's the latter.
If they wanted to be able to collect bin Laden's body, why dump his body in the ocean as soon as possible?
And then why withhold any other evidence of his capture?
I uh seems to me the release of this picture is yet another gutsy decision a child of twelve could make.
The American people want to see it.
That's enough.
That's all that's necessary.
And these people on the left, they can't wait to show us pictures of horror and grief that will turn public opinion against the U.S. military.
If they've got pictures that will turn public opinion against the United States, they'll get those pictures.
They'll flood them out there as fast as you can see it.
Somehow there's a great deal of concern here.
Don, quick question.
Navy SEALs.
How much do you think they're paid per year?
Take a wild guess.
Elite military, top of the line, special ops.
What do you think they earn?
Well, you're very close.
$54,000 a year.
They never go on strike.
They never protest.
They never demand lifetime pension and health care benefits.
Fifty-four thousand dollars a year.
And it's from our old buddies at ABC News.
What did the Navy SEALs who cornered bin Laden get for pulling off such a risky mission?
They're weekly paychecks.
The estimated maximum salary for a Navy SEAL with over a dozen years of experience and an E7 pay grades about $54,000, according to an estimate based on data from the Department of Defense.
Each of these operations is different, but we get the same amount of pay, so it's fair, said John Scorza under the Naval Special Warfare Command, MC2.
That salary level is comparable to the average annual salary for teachers in the country, which was $55,350 for the 2009-2010 scrual year.
So school teachers are paid more than the SEALs.
U.S. astronauts don't make much more than this.
But again, they don't go on strike.
They certainly don't join public protest.
They don't blow up buildings.
They don't deface public property.
They do not get hold of young skulls full of mush and indoctrinate them.
Put their own lives on the line.
Navy SEALs, $54,000 a year after 12 years experience.
Rush Limbaugh, the big voice on the right.
Driving the independence back to Barack Obama.
Here we have Garland in Franklin, Tennessee.
Garland, welcome.
Great to have you with us.
You're up first today.
Hey Rush, man, it's just great about to talk to you.
I've been listening for 20 years.
And listen, here's my point.
Obama made this gutsy decision to risk the SEAL's lives.
Because we had to have proof of this guy, Bin Laden was dead.
If that's why you did it, that's why you risked those SEALs' lives.
Then let's see it.
Let's see all the pictures.
Let's see the DNA.
Let's see everything you've got.
Now the DNA.
You should have dropped some bombs.
The DNA, you know, that's an important aspect of this, too.
Reminds me, your call reminds me.
Malcolm Malcolm oh, come on, brain Malcolm.
The blogger at the LA Times at a great piece earlier this week talking about how tough it was, this mission.
How excruciatingly painful it was in the Situation Room.
An air conditioned room, by the way.
For all of those participants, and all the stress that they were enduring.
And that's what the news was about, how tough it was for those people in the situation room.
No mention.
similar stress.
Andrew Malcolm.
That's right.
Andrew Malcolm.
It was one of those pieces...
It's right on the money and funny at the uh at the same time.
Charles in Pacifica, California.
Hello, sir.
Great to have you here.
Rush, great to talk with you.
Um I wanted to thank you for bringing up the uh road to 9-11 about the Clintons.
Um I think that that's uh extremely important.
I wish that you would bring it up more, and it's it's too bad that we kind of had to wait till now to bring that up.
Um, you know, it was an intelligence operation that um gave uh Bill Clinton the opportunity to take out uh bin Laden um both times that I know of, as far as you know what the CIA has uh talked about.
And that's you know, the the war on terror, the war on bin Laden or whoever, uh that started in the nineties, and um Clinton completely failed on that.
And I'm glad that you that you brought that up.
He passed on a number of opportunities to uh either have bin Laden handed off to us or to take him out.
There were a number of occasions, but the Path to 911 movie, ABC ran it, but they they clipped like a minute and sixteen seconds out of it.
What they toned down a scene in the Path to 911 that involved uh uh Sandy Berger, who was the National Security Advisor, declining to give the order to kill bin Laden.
They toned that scene down, according to the uh uh person involved with the film who declined to be identified.
Uh that sequence had been the focus of attention.
Now that's from the Chicago Tribune of September 7th.
I, ladies and gentlemen, as a powerful, influential member of the media have the full unedited version of The Path to 911.
And it uh on on DVD, and they that minute and sixteen seconds or something like that that they took out uh was pretty key, but the Clintons wanted the whole thing not run at all.
They didn't succeed in that, but uh there were no DVDs.
Disney decided that no DVD release of the uh of the path to 9-11.
Well, the the only reason I bring this up is is that there was a chance to get Obama and look, here's a movie that was made about it, and look at the controversy that uh that arose from it.
It's the same thing here, and it goes to this whole notion of just how gutsy was this.
Because in this case, it was clear that a lot of people knew that bin Laden was in that hut.
I still I can't I cannot suppress a smile when I keep reading about the mansion that the guy lived in, living in the lap of luxury, come on.
The place looks like a crack house.
And now we're told there's uh some somebody uh oh, it's our old buddy Nick Robertson.
Let me find it.
Nick Robertson, audio soundbite later on in the um in the stack, Nick Robertson, where are you, Nick Robertson?
Number 19.
Here's Nick Robertson, old buddy of CNN.
Listen to this.
He's a question, John King.
Said, uh Nick, now that night has fallen, give us a better sense of what you're learning about inside that luxury compound, just how bin Laden was living.
Very secretively, people with Tolkien who lived right next to his compound, one man whose house overlooked it just 50 yards away, told me that when children's bullshit sucker balls went over the wall, uh the family would just give them money rather than let them into the compound, which is normal in the area, uh, to get the bulls back.
They would just give them money and say, okay, go buy another bull.
Yeah.
Um, so that's just didn't let anybody in there.
Soccer balls ending up over the 18 foot wall.
Have you seen this compound?
It's nowhere near anybody else's house.
But the kids are out there, the soccer balls end up over the wall, and the bin Laden family, rather than let the kids come in there just, okay, here, kid.
Here's some money, go out and buy a new ball.
We're keeping the ball.
Uh want anybody in there.
Point of left, everybody, a lot of people, Pakistanis, it's now known, knew who was in there.
And if this attack had not taken place after all this information was given to Obama, then there would have been political hell to pay, just like the path to 9-11.
Only it would have been worse.
It would have leaked out.
So, yeah.
It was gutsy.
Maybe one of the gutsiest moves a U.S. president's ever made.
But he'd have been politically DOA if he hadn't made the call.
We'll be back.
Mark Howper in Time Magazine claims that um Obama is blowing the post bin Laden mission briefing.
Blowing the whole thing, hurting himself politically by not recognizing Bush and by not getting the story straight.
Was bin Laden armed or not?
What woman served as a human shield?
Who actually was killed beyond the main target?
None of these questions have been answered.
And there are a lot more questions that people ask that haven't been answered.
And uh the ones that have been answered sometimes have three or four different answers.
Lots of confusion still reigns.
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