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How long will it be before Creeley storms in here to fix the emergency?
Oh, good.
He's on vacation.
He deserves it.
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So did you see, ladies and gentlemen, the story here that smoking can lead to rectal cancer?
Saw that story and I said, you know, some people just don't know how to smoke.
How do you light that?
You know, then you let's say you smoke cigarettes, you can't find them.
Gee whiz.
Some butts got my cigarettes.
An amazing story, ladies and so ear right now.
I got into New York last night, had a couple meetings after work, uh, down at the EIB Southern Command and hopped a jet, got up here.
I guess I uh I got to my fashionable Upper East Side abode.
What was it?
7:30, quarter of eight or something, and I uh took some time to get away from it all.
And after I got away from it all, I went back to get involved in it all.
And I prepared myself a fashionable adult beverage.
I'm sitting there uh in my little study, and I got the computer on and I'm starting to do a little show prep for today's show.
And uh, you know, folks, I I am written about every day, so it's no big deal to me.
I I used to have when I was much younger and greener uh all these news alerts uh that would alert me uh when my name had appeared anywhere in the world wide web.
And it got to be it got to be so arduous keeping up with it, I canceled, I thought I cancel them all.
But I must have missed one last night because one came in uh and the title of it was Old Warrior Go Home, and it was from the San Francisco Chronicle.
So I clicked on it, and it's a column by my old friend Deborah Saunders, who uh I met when I was in uh in in Sacramento.
Uh, and I've uh stayed in touch with her off and on via email all these years.
So I read her column, uh, and the first two words of her column are my name.
By the way, for Rush in a hurry, it's D E B R A. Deborah.
There's no O in there, and there's no H in there.
And she's really she's a great conservative, and she's uh she's a classy lady, and I've I've uh I've enjoyed her company, but we've we've got a little bit of disagreement here about Senator Kane, McCain, and I didn't know it until I read her uh her piece.
She starts this way Rush Limbaugh launches daily rants against John McCain, fellow conservative talk show host Laura Ingram dismissed McCain as the Democrat's favorite Republican.
And then she quotes something that uh Hugh Hewitt, uh, another famous talk show host has said on his blog.
Uh and uh she goes on to make some observations, and it was Deborah.
I want to thank you because you have enlightened me.
Uh and I'm gonna be able to pass this on to a lot of you people as to as the program unfolds today.
Um many of us who call ourselves down the middle rock-ribbed conservatives, good old mainstream conservatives, uh, sit here and puzzle over the the adoration, the love, the attachment that people we thought were also conservatives have for somebody like Senator McCain, or in some cases, Governor Huckabee.
And I was I thought I figured out a bunch of reasons why.
Uh, and in some cases I chalked it up to various conservatives, uh, you know, being embarrassed of some of the other conservatives that are in the Republican Party.
Uh others wanting to modernize uh the Republican Party.
All these ideological reasons.
But Deborah alerted me to something that I may have thought about, may have, but but I didn't really process it.
Uh and some of you might have, but I want to thank her for alerting me to the the real reason some of these conservatives find an attraction to Senator McCain.
Number one, it is his heroic status as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.
Oh, and by the way, guess who is back?
The little hand grenade with a bad haircut.
Ross Perot is back on the war path against McCain.
He sent Jonathan, he called Jonathan Alder of Newsweek.
Do you see this?
He called Jonathan Alder of Newsweek to really rail against McCain, and it's about the POW issue.
Now nobody talks about this much in the mainstream media, but there are a lot of prisoners of war who think McCain has a lot of explaining to do in not being fully interested in getting all the POWs out of Vietnam when we left.
It's a long convoluted story, and uh McCain dismisses it, says there's nothing to it.
Uh but but others are holding uh uh quite a grudge against Senator McCain for his uh apparent lack of interest, they say, in getting everybody, every prisoner of war missing in action American counted for and uh and out of Vietnam.
And that's that's where Perot comes in.
Uh you know, Vietnam is a big deal to him.
If you if you want to know why Perot was, and I remind you of this, if you want to know why Perot was on the war path against George H.W. Bush, it has to do with POWs and it has to do with Vietnam.
And I'll go through that story when we get to the Perot uh segment of the program.
Uh but I want to stick with Deborah Saunders here, which will dovetail into a soundbite from David Brooks, New York Times conservative columnist at the New York Times who was on the uh the news hour with Jim O'Lara uh last night during the commentary segment with Mark Maxie Shields and then uh and Brooks in there, and Brooks was uh was talking about me.
So, in addition to the POW MIA thing uh and and McCain's heroic status, that's one of the things.
Uh but I want you to listen to this paragraph uh that Deborah wrote in her piece.
Sure, McCain bashers admit he's good on Iraq, he's good on the war on terrorism, but look at his apostasies.
McCain co-authored a campaign finance reform bill uh that enraged far right and far-left advocacy groups.
Deborah, it enraged everybody.
It was not just far right, and it was not just far left.
This thing enraged Americans.
Seventy-seven percent of the American people when they found out about this, were angry as hell.
And you saw, ladies and gentlemen, real conservatism in action in the people of this country telling the government to stop getting so big and to stop disrespecting us.
That bill was put together purposely under cover of darkness, in a back room with La Raza in there, and its purpose was designed to keep the American people from finding out what was in it.
And that effort was led by Senator McCain.
And Senator McCain was saying things like we got to get the politics out of this, we've got to get it passed.
Now, what does he mean by get the politics out?
Get the debate out of it.
He didn't want any debate on this.
He didn't want any hearings.
He wanted to ram this thing through.
And when the American people found out about it, 77% strong, it was over.
Uh and Deborah continues, he co-authored global warming legislation with Senator Lieberman, who was then a Democrat.
Yeah, but that's not just a throwaway.
That's huge.
Just yesterday in South Carolina, McCain made a huge turn left, all again making sure to trash and war and drilling in and war.
And everybody's talking about energy independence and coming up with uh ways to reduce our dependence on foreign oil and so forth for crying out loud.
He compared Anwar to the Grand Canyon.
Uh and and and other really beautiful great tourist protected sites in this country in the continental U.S., which is absurd.
It is barren.
There's nothing there, particularly the area in Anwar.
It's a very small area, uh, which has been targeted for drilling.
But anyway, uh Deborah also said that uh McCain infuriated a Republican base last year when he championed the immigration bill that would have set up a path to citizenship, blah, blah, blah.
The bill tanked, deservedly so, but not before McCain gratuitously insulted Bill critics.
All right, she mentions this as though we need To forget this.
And then she says, I have to think that what really sticks in the limbaugh craw is the fact that McCain has been a darling of the media.
And some Democrats and independents say they could vote for him.
Like those are bad things in an election year.
Bam, light went off.
So people like Deborah, and she's a, by the way, folks, I have to tell you, she's a brilliant lady.
I don't want you to misunderstand anything here about her.
She's uh and she's devoted, she's rock solid.
But I figured it all out.
These people, one of their primary attractions to McCain after the POW thing, is he can get Democrats and liberals and moderates and independents and the jellos to vote Republican.
And that's magic.
Somehow that alone is magic.
So I wrote Deborah back.
We had a little email back and forth last night.
And I said to her, Deborah, it isn't that the media like McCain, that's not why I don't like him.
It is why the media like McCain that bothers me.
They know that McCain can be pulverized in a national election.
I mean, the drive-by's will always tell us, Deborah, who the non-conservatives are by virtue of who they love and support, and right now that's McCain and uh and Huckabee.
But I said it's far more than than than just that.
It's policies.
Uh amnesty for illegals, hatched under the cover of darkness, no debate.
Uh that bill would have been the destruction of the Republican Party.
That was the that was the register illegal immigrants as Democrats bill.
And we were frustrated and angry as hell here that a lot of Republicans in the Senate didn't see that.
Uh his outreach to Democrats and independence is also meant to destroy the Republican Party.
I mean, if you're going to go out and appeal to independents and Democrats in today's playing field to get them to vote Republican, what do you have to do?
You have to appeal to them as a liberal.
You have to appeal them to as a moderate.
Certainly you don't go out and appeal to them as a conservative to get moderate liberal votes to abandon the Democrats and vote for Republicans.
And there's a gang of 14.
Now McCain's out there promising he'd do everything in the world to appoint the right kind of judges.
But then why have the gang of 14, which basically destroyed our effort to stop Democrat filibusters on great judges.
They're just too much here of substance that we can't overlook.
Plus the opposition to tax cuts.
And of course, you know, some people say we need McCain's strong uh uh anti-u-terrorist and and and pro-war on terror, pro-Iraq.
I agree with that.
But I want to repeat this.
If a Democrats win the White House, folks, I have to tell you that they're not going to pull out of a rock and guaranteed defeat wrapped around their necks.
They're just not going to do it.
And anybody who thinks they are is buying and drinking Kool-Aid.
Now, the Democrat base is all posturing, fundraising and so forth.
The rocks off the table is an issue anyway.
It's the economy.
The economy is the issue that the Democrats and the Liberals and the drive-bys are going to try to destroy the Republican Party on.
I mean, hell, you've got you've got the energy secretary today, Sam Bodman said, Yeah, I think we're heading to a recession.
Well, that's just great.
That's just gonna remember the administration saying so.
I guess they want to hype their stimulus package.
Best stimulus package, a tax cut.
Then you got Bernanke up there testifying before the House Committee today.
It's not a recession.
He's trying to tell them we're not headed to a recession, just gonna be slow down, but it's not gonna be a recession.
But here's the thing.
This election, and I also wrote this to Deborah.
This election is about defeating the left.
This is crucial.
Future of the country's at stake here.
This is not about attracting a big tent of Democrats and liberals and doing it by being like them to get them.
That's going to destroy the party.
And that's why I say McCain or Huckabee if they get the nomination, this party, as we know it's finished.
It's going to be reconstituted somehow, and you're not going to recognize it.
But what's the value in getting liberals and moderates and so forth if you got to be like them and say things like to get them?
That's not what Reagan did.
McCain is no Reagan here when it comes to the Reagan Democrats and so forth.
The climate change insanity.
I mean, that's that's just we can't, we cannot overlook this.
Uh, you know, we Deborah, we we don't look at it as global warming or campaign finance reform And just throw it away as issues that McCain was wrong on.
We look at global warming and campaign finance reform as a destruction of the U.S. economy in the service of junk science and a hoax.
We look at campaign finance reform as a suppression of core free speech rights in the service of protecting mostly Democrat incumbents.
These things are not incidental.
They're very substantive to us.
Has nothing to do with personalities.
It has to do with defeating liberals.
Not attracting them to our own party for crying out loud.
I just now understood.
Let us also not forget, ladies and gentlemen, that back in uh in 2004, the haughty uh John Kerry, who served in Vietnam, asked Senator McCain to be his vice presidential candidate.
Asked him to be his vice presidential running mate.
And McCain took how many months to say no.
I've re-flatted.
Flatted.
See?
I expand.
I reach out everywhere, everywhere.
Democrats have me.
Uh.
Now this is this is just this is just too good, folks.
It's just too good to pass up.
Jonathan Alter sitting there at Newsweek minding his own business, plotting how to advance more and more liberalism into the drive my media agenda.
The phone rings, and on the other end is the hand hand grenade with a bad haircut.
And that would be H. Ross Perot.
Here's here's how uh Alter writes about this.
The phone rang, it was Ross Perot, who hasn't given an interview in years.
Perot, who won 19% of the vote in 1992, making him one of the strongest third party candidates in American history, got straight to the point.
You remember what you wrote about McCain in the March 13th, 2000 Newsweek, Perot asked Alter.
Alder said, sure, I lied.
When McCain called Perot nuttier than a fruit cake, Perot never forgets.
McCain called Perot nuttier than a fruitcake.
The Texas billionaire, who's now 77, still has some scores to settle from the Vietnam area or era, and his timing is exquisite.
Just days before the Republican South Carolina primary, he wants Alter to know that McCain is the classic opportunity.
He's always reaching for attention and glory.
Other POWs won't even sit at the same table with him, quote unquote Perot.
Mark Salter, McCain's longtime top aide, said McCain's got plenty of veteran support and many close friendships among other POWs.
Now the the uh Perot-Macain relationship goes back to McCain's five and a half years of captivity in Hanoi, when McCain's then wife Carol was in a serious car accident.
McCain's mother, of all people called Perot for help.
Yes, she asked me to send my people to Philadelphia to take care of the family, Perot says.
Afterward, and and Perot did it.
And afterward, McCain was grateful.
McCain told Alder in 2000, we love Perot for doing that.
But Perot doesn't remember it that way.
Perot said after he came home, he walked with a limp.
She, Carol McCain, after her accident, walked with a limp.
So he threw her overboard for a poster girl with big money from Arizona.
Cindy McCain, his current wife, and the rest is history.
This is what Perot said to Alder on the phone yesterday.
He threw his wife overboard for a poster girl with big money.
Perot's real problem with McCain is that he believes the Senator hushed up evidence that live POWs were left behind in Vietnam and even transferred to the Soviet Union for uh human experimentation.
This is what I was alluding to earlier in the program.
You know, if you go to the right websites, and anything you want is on the web, but there is some real vitriol out there about this uh from former veterans who really believe that after McCain got back out elected to the Senate, there were hearings on this.
As people got got the Congress interested in this and the Senate interested in this, and these people are convinced, I don't know what the truth is.
I'm just I'm don't do not associate an opinion here.
I am just telling you what I know uh from what I've read.
Uh there's some people who think McCain purposely, in order to further good relations with the new government of Vietnam, didn't want to push the issue and tried to sweep it under the rug during the hearings.
McCain says he didn't do that.
McCain says these guys are making it up that nobody that was knowingly left behind or any of that.
Uh Perot says he's going to vote for Mitt Romney in the Texas primary on March the 4th, citing Romney's experience in business and his family values.
Uh He said when I when I went to the Naval Academy and met my first Mormons, I asked why so many were excellent officers, and they said because of their strong family values.
There's no time.
Well, that's that's a bite.
We have audio soundbite.
We we have audio of Perot who has gone we can't squeeze this in.
How long is the bite?
I thought it was it's a minute.
When I read the transcript of this thing, it didn't look like it was a minute.
All right, well, we'll have that coming out.
Also, uh the Annenberg outfit, uh, I think that's where um Kathleen Hall Jameson works, the factcheck.org.
Yeah, they're out there looking at Mc McCain's got a mailer that he's sending out about Romney, and they fact checked it and they found that it's uh misleading.
Well, really, it's politics.
It's a campaign.
Really?
It's misleading?
All right, is it ready to go now?
All right, good.
Here he is, folks.
A little hand grenade with the bad haircut.
Oh, the good old days.
I love I love going back to the archives.
What I read when I read Jonathan Alder's piece today, uh, I thought, well.
Reliving all those great moments.
Fifteen years ago that was.
I want to do cut one first.
Uh my David Brooks was on the uh news hour with Jim Lara last night with Mark Maxy Shields in the commentary segment of the news hour with Jim Lara.
And uh my name came up, and I did this this is uh uh Lara asking Brooks a question.
Going back to South Carolina specifically.
You think Huckabee has a real good chance at scoring big?
If he does, that hurts McCain, but what does that do to Thompson?
The big problem Huckabee faces, McCain's also is Rush Limbaugh.
Rush Limbo all week has been on the war path against Huckabee and McCain as people who are not real Republicans.
He says they're drawing independents, they're drawing Democrats, they're breaking up the Reagan coalition.
He calls them jello people because they're soft and squishy.
And there are a lot of people who listen to Rush Limbaugh, and a lot of talk show hosts repeat what Rushling Boss says.
He has been a very pro-Romney force in the past week, and it's bound to eat into Huckabee because there are a lot of Republican primary voters who listen to Rush Limbo.
That's David Brooks analyzing what's been happening on the program here.
One thing we got to correct.
The I didn't call a candidates jellos.
I called moderates and independents jellos.
Let's go back to the broadcast archives.
This was uh Monday on the Rush Limbaugh program.
I got a new name for, by the way, these independents and moderates.
I call them jellos from now on.
You independents, you moderates, you know who you are.
You are shaky.
We can see through you.
You are transparent, can be filled up with marshmallows and processed mushy fruit, like the garbage that drive buys and McCain are trying to sway you with.
You're just a bunch of quivering masses of little jello out there.
All right, now that that's that the jello term here is applied, therefore, to independent and moderate voters.
I've decided if we've got a bunch of Republicans to go out and act like liberals or moderates in order to get those people to vote for a Republican.
Now I'm gonna insult the moderates, and I'm gonna see to it that they don't want to vote in the party I'm a member of.
I mean, if somebody's got to do something here, it's one thing.
Now, seriously, folks, it is one thing to go out and attract these so-called Reagan Democrats, these moderate conservatives that have been Democrat by tradition.
It's one thing to go get them by talking to them from the standpoint of conservatism and freedom, American exceptionalism and greatness, but it is not good to go get them if you're going to pander to them with populism and make them also dependent on the Republican Party, as they already are on the Democrat Party.
That's not what we're about.
But Rush, but Rush, what about winning the election?
I understand, folks, and I understand some of you that think any of our Republican candidates would be better than Hillary or Obama.
And you're probably right about That.
I'm not I'm not going to dispute that, but I'm going to tell you there's not going to be much difference in terms of policy or what's going to happen to the Republican Party.
I look at the Republican Party matters to me in the sense that it is the vessel.
It is the host, if you will, for conservatism.
Now, too many Republicans look at themselves a host and conservatives as an infection, as a virus that has been spreading throughout the Republican Party and slowly eating it away.
Wrong.
That's what'll happen if we succeed in having a candidate, and I don't care who it is, who is so enamored with getting independent and moderates and certain liberals by going out and trying to be like them and telling them that our party is in fact their home.
I mean, it's invasion of the body snatchers all over again in a political sense.
Now, you know, I I keep I keep talking about Ronaldus Magnus.
Pete Weiner has a great piece today at uh at commentary, their website, and I'll share excerpts with it uh with you in in a second.
But remember now, my devotion to Reagan is not a cult of personality.
I think a lot of people's devotion to McCain is, I think a lot of people's devotion to uh Governor Huckabee is a cult of personality.
Reagan didn't invent conservatism, he just showed how to apply it, and he showed how it attracts.
How can you do better than a 49 state landslide?
50 state landscape, we're pretty damn close.
Anyone want to tell me that Reagan was campaigning as a moderate and independent?
Anyone want to tell me that Reagan was running around campaigning and telling people how to become dependent on the government?
Come on, folks, it's time to wake up here.
Now I understand going out and expanding the base, have a chance at electoral victory and so forth.
But if it means destroying the Republican Party, and certainly losing, but how anybody think that the way to be elected president is to out liberal liberals, to out moderate moderates.
I just uh some of this just escapes me, especially when the history is not that far ago.
It's long ago, it's it's fairly recent.
It's the 80s.
Even the uh well, the contract with America and the Republicans winning the House of Representatives in 1994.
You think we did that with liberalism?
Think we did that by attracting moderates?
We had little help there because there's so much corruption in the House of Representatives on the Democrat side.
But how did anybody know about that?
Talk radio, which back then was me.
Hell, still is me.
Ha ha ha.
Anyway, don't forget the main point here.
There's no magic and there's nothing valorous about going out and attracting people to our party by being like them and having them think that our party is a new home for them because of whatever deficiencies there are with Hillary or Obama or what have you.
I mean, that that expediency to win is gonna set us back for those of us who are conservatives first and Republicans second, uh, this is something that matters deeply.
As you know, as I said, global warming and campaign finance reform are not just little throwaway issues that McCain made mistakes on and have maybe apologized for, which he hasn't.
They're substantive.
They're they're they're they're they're very they're crucial.
Uh and I I think this notion that we've got to go out, broaden the base of the party by forsaking our own roots, by forsaking our own base.
I'm gonna tell you what, you need to talk about this notion, well, you know, when you get down to nominations rushing, you get down to presidential race, if it's McCain or Huckerby or any of our guys, against Hillary or Obama, you really think that our guys are gonna stay home and then not vote for our side?
Depends.
If our nominee spends a whole campaign acting like he's embarrassed of his own base, like he's angry at them, wants to diminish them and de-emphasize them, and wants to instead build his party and his victory on members of the Democrat Party and liberals and moderates, yeah, it's gonna make them mad.
There's already an undertow of real anger at Senator McCain over immigration alone and McCain Feingold among the Republican base.
It's just these moderates and squishy jellos out there, uh, those that are also in the media, you know, they're out of touch with the Republican base as well.
Republican base embarrasses them.
Uh And so these are the these are the people that consider themselves to be the party's modernizers.
Well, hell, you know, I'm all for modernization.
But not destruction.
And we'll be back.
Oh, yeah, these are the good times.
This is chic.
And this is from uh when would this be?
This would be.
I know it's good times, I'm trying to think of the year.
This gotta be some time in the uh has to be in the eighties.
Anyway, uh, my friends, welcome back.
It's Rush Limbow.
We are gonna get to your phone calls uh in uh in due course.
You know, about this modernizing business.
You know, my friends, I I really, and you know this.
I do not blow my own horn.
I do not tout my own whistle.
I do not call attention to myself.
That just happens.
I do not say notice me, notice me, but I'm gonna step in here on something.
All this talk about modernizing the so-called conservative movement or modernizing the Republican Party.
How many of you have heard the term new media?
You're responsible for it.
Well, I'm responsible for it, but you have sustained it.
All of you in the audience, we are the new media.
I think that's modernization.
I think the true modernization of the movement and moving it forward and quote unquote of the party is happening in the new media.
It's happening.
We are leading it, and there are people who don't like that either.
Uh within our own structure, within our own movement.
Uh you know, the Mr. Brooks, I have all the respect in the world for him for his education and what he's accomplished, but what does he do?
He writes for the New York Times.
That means he's writing conservatism for liberals.
He's writing conservatism for a liberal audience.
And of course, you can't help when you do that to try to seek the liberals' acceptance.
And that's not what we do here.
We're not trying to seek their acceptance.
We are trying to beat them because we feel that they are destructive.
I just got a story from the some of the some of the horrible news that's happening.
Let me find it here, ladies and gentlemen.
Uh, yes, here it is.
Just read it right off the computer.
Thousands of lives at risk under the National Health Services Plan to cost cut on heart devices.
Do you realize every week we get a story of how the British health care system is falling apart and more people are being told stay home, take care of yourselves, we don't have the means, and we don't have the money.
And that is a whole private industry of hospitals setting up for people who can afford it without going through the NHS.
Do you know what the National Health Service is?
The Hillary Obama Edwards Health Care Plan.
The Hillary Obama Edwards Healthcare Plan.
That's what the Canadian system is and what the British system is.
And there's evidence all over the place, they don't work.
They don't save anybody any money, and they don't give better medical care than what can be had in the United States of America.
And that's why we want to defeat these people.
And I'm talking about, of course, within the uh within the political context of things.
By the way, Pat Leahy, the whitest guy on the East Coast has endorsed Obama.
You know that the clean did this in a conference call today at 11 o'clock.
He just didn't issue a little press release and to go slink away to the apple tree up there in Vermont.
He had a conference call with reporters and reporterettes and info babes to explain his endorsement of Barack Obama.
And here's one of the things he said.
We need a president who can reintroduce America to the world and actually reintroduce America to ourselves.
It's new age gobbledygook.
It is, but the thing about it, you have to understand it.
To Leahy, it makes perfect sense, and he means it.
Despite the fact nobody else has any clue what he's saying, he means it.
We need a president who can reintroduce America to the world and actually reintroduce America to ourselves.
He said, Obama, stop the profanities.
If you start cursing in my ear like that, snerdly, you're gonna get me doing it, and we're gonna get fined.
America Obama carries the hope to win the war in Iraq and to bring health care for all.
That's Leahy.
He also compared the decision to support Obama to supporting JFK for president.
Now, think of this whatever you want, but you have to understand something.
Clinton's not gonna like this.
And the Clintons are already smoking over this action out in Las Vegas where the culinary workers can vote in the casinos.
Clinton was interviewed by KGO Television San Francisco and his went ballistic here on the reporter for not understanding what it was all about.
Of course, the Clintons expected to get those those endorsements.
They didn't.
They went to Obama, and then the Democrat Party out there said, okay, we're gonna let this caucus take place in the casino so these people can vote.
So they can caucus.
And the Clintons, some some teachers' group associated with Clintons has filed suit to stop that.
And wait till you hear Clinton's rationale.
In fact, we got time to play that group.
Grab cut uh let's see, 37 and uh I think we get both of these in.
It's in Oakland.
He's standing right next to Ron Red Dellums, who's now the mayor of Oakland.
Uh and and the reporter is Mark Matthews.
He said, Should the Clinton campaign take a stronger position against a lawsuit that wants to get away from the caucus sites in the strip?
You asked the question in an accusatory way, so I'll ask you back.
Do you really believe that all the Democrats understood that they had agreed to give everybody that voted at the casino a vote worth five times as much as people who voted in their own precinct?
Did you know that?
If the culinary workers had not endorsed Obama, would they still be dealing with it?
Well, still be filing the lawsuit.
You should be offended by this.
You think that one person's vote should count five times as much as another?
I think it looks as though to a lot of people as though the Clinton campaign supporters.
Wait a minute.
The Clinton.
I understand.
I read about it in the newspaper.
Well, you have nothing to do with that lawsuit.
I read about that loss in the newspaper.
That's a crock.
So can if Clinton then continues.
Your position is that you think the culinary workers' vote should count.
A, it should be easier for them to vote than for anybody else in Nevada that has to work on Saturday.
That's your first position.
Second, when they do vote, their vote should count five times as much as everybody else.
That's what the teachers have questioned.
So if that's your position, you have it.
Get on your television station and say, I don't care about the home mortgage crisis.
All I care about is making sure that some voters have it easier than others, and that when they do vote, when it's already easier for them, their vote should count five times as much as others.
That is your position.
If you want to take that position, get on the television and take it.
Don't be accusatory with me.
I had nothing to do with this lawsuit.
And he's jabbing his finger at the guy at this point.
Now you're probably saying, what is it?
Five times.
Whether he keep talking here, vote counts five.
Because he's saying that when you take the caucus to where people work versus deny people at other places of work the caucus, they have to go somewhere else like to a precinct.
Not all of them are gonna be able to go.
And so the power, the culinary workers vote, will be five times because fewer people will be voting at their precincts because they can't, because they're at work.
Now the Clintons didn't care a diddly squat about this until the culinary workers endorsed Obama.
They are trying to disenfranchise these people just as they did in Iowa in certain ways.
This is just delightful to watch.
All right, first hours in the can, zipping by here.
Fastest three hours in media.
And I know I had diarrhea of the mouth this hour, but there was a lot to say.
There was a lot to get out.
But next hour we're gonna go to the phones, uh, right after the opening monologue.
Uh we have some more audio soundbites to treat you with, and then we'll get to you.