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Feb. 7, 2007 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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February 7, 2007, Wednesday, Hour #2
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And welcome back to the Rush Limbaugh Program.
Roger Hedgecock here coming at you from the Left Coast here in San Diego at KOGO Radio, taking your calls at 1-800-282-2882.
And of course, there's a Hollywood movie coming out of this love triangle at NASA.
Are you kidding?
It's got every angle you can imagine.
The script practically writes itself.
Conduct unbecoming a what?
Anyway, the spate to the presidential politics now, the spate of polls are out.
The spate is out.
There are a lot of polls floating around, and all of them are pointing to something rather, I don't know, surprising, at least to me.
Hillary Clinton is pulling away already.
How far away are we here from the first primaries, maybe a year?
Pulling away from the PAC.
35% presidential preference in Iowa after a first appearance, 39% in New Hampshire.
The nearest competition, Edwards, has 18 in Iowa, 13 in New Hampshire.
Obama, the media darling, 14 in Iowa, 19.
He's number two in New Hampshire.
There's, to be sure, undecided.
But you have to keep in mind that in Iowa, where they have this caucus situation, most of the Democratic votes, more than half, not most, but more than half, will be cast by women.
And women are in Iowa, 39% going for Hillary, 35% among both men and women.
So there's going to be an edge there.
The scent, as ABC News reported this morning on their news note page, the scent of a winner is in the air this morning as the campaign, Hillary Clinton's campaign, hosts a couple hundred people at briefings at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in Washington, D.C.
The people are there because they are each expected to raise at least $25,000 each for Clinton's campaign this year.
A couple hundred.
Last night, according to the Washington Post, Senator Clinton hosted about 70 top fundraisers, that's a quote, about 70 top fundraisers from around the country to a reception at her Washington, D.C. home.
These were the high-dollar rainmakers committed to collect at least $250,000 each this year, and many pledged $1 million each this year.
Hillary Clinton, who has in the past, of course, postured as necessary in favor of campaign finance reform, will collect more money, I predict right now, more money for her presidential race than any candidate in the history of the presidential election races ever by a very wide margin, by a very wide margin.
New York is going to give more money to Hillary Clinton than any state has given to any presidential candidate ever.
In fact, as the news note points out, there are single buildings on the east side of Manhattan who hold more donors who can and will max out their contribution to Hillary than more donors in just one building on the east side of Manhattan than the entire state of Delaware.
So you're going to see Hillary Clinton raise in New York alone more than any candidate has ever raised in one state in the history of our country.
And of course she's calling in all of the Bill Clinton shits, and of course she's going with all of so all of the criticism of George Bush's pioneers, of Tom DeLay shaking down the lobbyists, of all of that culture of corruption that we endured last year and actually had traction and actually gained credence with the public.
Sorry.
If you were sensitive to that issue in 2006, keep your eye on Hillary in 2007.
There won't be a tree in this country that won't be shaken by Hillary Clinton.
You know what I'm saying?
There's not a lobbyist.
There's not an influential person.
There's not an activist.
There's not a labor leader.
There's not a whatever that's not going to be touched, not only to contribute, not only to write a check.
No, no, no, that's the least of it.
To go out and collect checks, to be, in the words of the fundraisers, a bundler, bundler of checks.
So while money may not get everything, you don't go to a gunfight with a knife.
Hillary Clinton knows she has huge negatives.
She is going into this gunfight with two guns blazing in terms of the money, and the numbers in the polling are very, very favorable for her.
Now, of course, as you know, being a veteran of a number of these presidential races yourself, you're watching that the early frontrunner never wins, ever.
How many early frontrunners can you name?
I mean, the history is littered with their failed campaigns, not the least of which recently, of course, Mr. Dean, the head of the Democrat Party, and sorry, the Democratic Party, sorry, and on the Republican side, Mr. McCain.
But you look at the Hillary Clinton campaign and you suddenly get the feeling this has been planned for years, if not decades.
And it is going to roll on.
So time will tell.
Now, on the Republican side, I get asked all the time, do you get asked this question?
Who are you supporting?
Who is going to carry the Ronald Reagan banner into battle?
Who is going to be the conservative candidate?
Who is going to represent us?
Say so many people to me.
Well, it is interesting that Giuliani is doing so well in the polls.
Nationally, Giuliani beats Hillary Clinton in early polls.
Not to say that that means anything in the long run.
But nationally, Fox News had this, a lot of people had this.
More voters would be comfortable with former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani as president than any of the other contenders in this early, early, early poll.
900 registered voters.
So your Giuliani, of course, is stepping forward.
He is running, and he's running.
And I don't know whether you've seen all this lately, with a whole bunch of articles saying what a conservative he is.
He took on the environmentalists.
He took on the unions.
He was mayor when you had to make the city work, when the Democrats had said it's ungovernable.
This is a guy who brought down crime.
He created jobs.
He reduced taxes.
He reduced regulation on business.
He took on the environmentalists.
He tamed the unions.
This is the profile of a conservative Republican.
Well, in the Post, for example, a couple days ago, when he made this argument, he's shown on the front cover kissing his ⁇ is it his third wife?
I'm not quite sure how many, but this is, you know, this is what.
So now I get who cares here.
But again, if you're talking about a conservative candidate, you're also talking about traditional values.
Beyond the political issues are the moral issues, and those have come into play quite strikingly.
Laura Bush isn't the most popular member of that family in this country for nothing.
I mean, she is.
And there are reasons for that.
So this is what the Republicans now have to grapple with.
Is Rudy a conservative?
Is he conservative enough?
Do we care?
Do we care about those private issues?
Do we trust somebody who is different on those issues and different on the public policy issues?
For example, we Californians feeling, frankly, a little bruised.
The guy that we elected governor, the Terminator himself, was saying, no, fiscal conservative, conservative on pro-business, anti-tax, hold the line on taxes, anti-regulation.
Well, of course, I'm pro-abortion and I'm married to this Kennedy and we're for the environment and we think global warming is a serious issue and blah, blah, blah, blah.
But don't worry about that because the issues you're really concerned about, balancing the budget, holding back the public employee unions from raping everything in sight, fiscally speaking, of course, and all the rest of that, you better trust me.
Trust me.
Angelides, who was running against him for governor out here, he's the tax raiser.
I'm not the tax raiser.
He loves to raise taxes.
I'm not going to raise any tax.
Well, he wasn't 15 minutes past the swearing-in ceremony when we were going to get a new tax because universal health care is important.
We've got to have that.
It wasn't yet a fee, though.
And, you know, by the way, don't get upset.
It's a fee increase, not a tax.
You need to be sophisticated enough to learn the difference between the two.
There'll be a new fee on doctors, 2%.
There'll be a new fee on hospitals.
There'll be a new fee on companies of 4%.
And of course, all of that to save money.
We need to raise fees in order to save money on health care.
Now, if you buy all that, I've got a lot of other wacky stuff in the closet I want to bring out here, too.
But that's the tone now that Republicans are sitting saying, okay, now wait a minute.
You know, look what happened with Arnold.
Are we then going to be sucked in by Giuliani with the same sort of approach?
Or for that matter, McCain.
McCain, who was with Mr. Feingold, you know, the campaign finance reformer.
Out yesterday, a story that says, ah, well, you know those limitations and, you know, not taking a lot of PAC money.
Well, you know, in theory, that's okay, but now I'm running and I got to compete.
And I don't know how I can do that without just collecting a zillion dollars from all the usual suspects.
And, you know, after I talk to Tom DeLay about it, I got to do it.
How can this guy look us in the face on this issue, much less on the immigration issue?
I'll get to that later.
So McCain is going to take the money.
He's going to posture as a conservative.
And in many ways, including this latest support for the president in the Senate in terms of the resolution on Iraq.
So who is, I'm throwing this out because I'd like to get some feedback now.
Who is the candidate who measures up?
Now, you can pick somebody out, I suppose, of the lineup, but I'm also going to ask you the second question.
Does this person have any chance of winning, given modern America?
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Roger Hedgecock in for rush, back after this.
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We're going to get to the border issues here.
I'm already getting email.
Why aren't you talking about Ramos and Compend, the border agents that have been incarcerated for, well, enforcing the law at the border?
We will get to that, believe me, and the problems associated with the administration position on this and their point man down in El Paso, the U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton, who's caught in a number of problems with the prosecution presentation there.
And frankly, news breaking that we had a couple of days ago locally about a local deputy sheriff in a county down there on the Texas border, Guillermo Hernandez, who has now been convicted again of defending himself against the favorite tactic of some of these border runners, which is to try to run over the Border Patrol agents and other law enforcement with their vans and trucks and hauling the dope and the illegals and so forth.
In fact, in San Diego, we had this happen yesterday with a van coming across.
It was actually a U-Haul.
U-Haul has a special for smugglers.
And the U-Haul was coming across, and here was trying to get apprehended.
And the Border Patrol agent, they tried to pin the agent between the Border Patrol vehicle and the U-Haul.
The smuggler did, the driver of the U-Haul.
So it's happening increasingly because they're reading the newspapers too.
They know that there's actually U.S. attorneys, Johnny Sutton being one of them in El Paso, who are willing to prosecute law enforcement officers who fire at illegals for whatever reason in connection with defending themselves and doing their job.
And then people like Johnny Sutton willing to take the word of an illegal alien drug smuggler against the word of two Border Patrol agents as to what actually happened in that circumstance.
So we'll get into all that because it's fascinating stuff.
The presidential race is off and running, and Barack Obama, the bloom may be a little off this rose.
Mr. Senator Obama is in, well, he's called it a boneheaded deal and a stupid mistake.
Well, it's more than that.
It's kind of a Reedian, Senator Reed, I'm implying, a Senator Reed type deal.
It's a Senator Reed type deal.
Let's see.
According to NewsMax.com, Tony Rezco, a Syrian-born pizza magnate and Democrat fundraiser, sorry, Democratic fundraiser with a checkered reputation, even in the rough and tumble world of Chicago politics.
The Obamas buy their home.
Rezco's wife, Rita, closes escrow on the same day on a vacant 9,000 square foot lot next door to the Obama property.
She pays $625,000.
Seven months later, when Obama decides he wants a bigger yard for his house, he buys a 10 by 150-foot slice of the property for $104,000.
The problem is that Rezco, indicted in October on charges of trying to squeeze kickbacks and campaign donations from firms seeking state of Illinois business, and he's pled not guilty to that.
Here's good government type Obama going after this property next door and paying, well, was it exactly fair market value?
Resco had contributed $11,500 to Obama's U.S. Senate campaign.
And he goes way back with him.
So there's going to be more of that kind of thing.
And you know where we get all this?
You know where everybody in the media gets these stories about anybody running against Hillary Clinton.
Oh, you already know.
Okay.
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Here's Jim in Port Jefferson.
Jim, welcome to the Rush Limbaugh Program.
Hello, Roger.
Thank you for taking my call.
In the event that Hillary Clinton is elected president, it creates a very unique circumstance in that her husband, then I guess the first husband, if you will, is a former president.
And as president, like they all do, he does a speech circuit where he makes tens of thousands of dollars to give his speech.
Now, as first husband and former president, he's in a unique, unregulated position to generate millions of dollars on that circuit and have unparalleled influence with the president.
And this has never been addressed.
It's kind of tit-for-tat as far as I can see.
In other words, wasn't it the other way around when he was president?
She was powerful.
I mean, sure, of course, it's never been addressed.
Moreover, Jim, let me just offer something else to that scenario.
Not only is the former president going to be the first man or first husband or whatever that turns out to be, the first gentleman, I guess I'm getting a little concerned about the fact that either a Bush or a Clinton has been on the national ticket since 1980, that we've gone Bush, Clinton, Bush, and then maybe Clinton again.
Isn't there anybody else that could be president?
Roger, I agree wholeheartedly.
I mean, to put it politely, I guess you could say that the Clintons have suffered from questionable ethics at best.
But I'm a true conservative, and I have to tell you, I was a true conservative.
I'm perplexed.
I don't see any kind of conservative representation anywhere in government anymore.
You have the Democrats, which, in my opinion, and it's only my opinion, are basically socialists.
So you don't have a favorite.
The temporary Republican is basically a Democratic.
There is no conservative representation.
So you don't have a candidate for president?
Nobody.
Jim, thanks for the call.
Here's Paul in Palm Springs, California.
Jim, I've got your point.
Let's see what others think.
Go ahead, Paul.
Oh, Roger.
I would think that possibly Duncan Hunter has the ability to win.
If not, Duncan, maybe Mitt Romney.
It has to be a Republican that has a very clean pedigree on conservative values.
If there's any weakness, some of the Republicans will not vote because Republicans tend to be principled, whereas the Democrats, as long as they get one plank in the platform, they'll vote for the guy.
If we lose any percentage of our base, we can't win the White House.
And we have to be ready.
You know, to fight Hillary, we have to be ready for the campaign that she'll fight.
We should keep our powder dry until we see the whites of our eyes and be ready for the Clinton-style attack.
They will hit and run, and the minute you throw something at them, they'll instantly respond and say, well, that's no big deal, and pretend like it doesn't exist.
Well, Duncan Hunter is our San Diego congressman and a favorite of ours, the former chairman of the Armed Services Committee, a true blue Reaganite.
He is a very honest guy and a very terrific guy, and I've known him personally for many years.
Mitt Romney is a great candidate, made a great speech today in Detroit on economic issues and hit all the right themes for conservatives.
Pay attention to that speech and see what you think.
More on all of this and this border issue that cannot be ignored after this.
And welcome back to the Rush Limbaugh Program.
Roger Hedgecock filling in for Rush Taking Your Calls at 1-800-282-2882.
And let's take Tori in Phoenix, Arizona.
Next.
Hi, Tori.
Hi, Roger.
Thanks for taking my call.
Hey, I got real excited about the conservative message yesterday listening to some of Ronald Reagan's old speeches.
And I was trying to think of anybody out there that sounded anything like him.
And the name I came up with was Newt Gingrich.
Now, why do you suppose?
And Newt is aquainted with Newt.
I've talked with Newt.
He's obviously the architect of the 1994 retaking of the House of Representatives.
And along with Rush and a lot of other people that worked on that, it was truly a revolution.
And a very interesting time in American history.
Now, he, you know, today, is he the same agent of change?
Is he the same?
I mean, for instance, I look at these poll numbers and not a lot of people, I mean, to some, but not a lot of people seem to be rallying around him.
Yeah, I know.
I don't understand that.
I mean, I've often thought that I don't know that he's electable.
I don't know if it's the way he presents himself, but I've always agreed with his message.
Okay, well, and I appreciate that, Tori, but let's look at what is it you think about his presentation that might be a problem?
Well, I think sometimes he comes across as too stiff and maybe not flexible enough, but sometimes I just wonder if people really are ready or really want a true conservative message anymore.
It kind of makes me wonder.
Well, I don't know.
I see so many people get elected on conservative campaigns.
I was mentioning Arnold Schwarzenegger earlier and then do something else when they get into office.
Well, you know, I felt pretty confident about that myself until this last election, and I got to tell you, I was blindsided by it.
I just had no idea where people were.
I've talked to people, friends of mine, that normally vote conservative, and just because they wanted some kind of a change, they just came up with this vote and voted for liberals.
And I just, I don't understand it.
Well, I don't either, except that the conservatives allowed themselves to be painted, you know, with this brush of corruption and so forth.
It didn't help from our area that Duke Cunningham got caught taking bribes and so forth.
It's a situation, Tori, that might have been unique to that election and the inability we had to counter the culture of corruption charges and the inability.
I think we have a continuing problem on the conservative constitutionalist side of things with the fact that we just can't get it through our thick heads that most of the media is the media wing of the Democratic/slash socialist party.
You know, people out there are willing to let themselves be willing to buy into that.
And that's an endless source of frustration for me.
Yeah, I agree.
And that's why you're tuned in here.
Right.
That's what keeps me from going crazy.
Yeah, me too.
Tori, thanks.
Thanks for the call.
And I appreciate what you said.
All right, here's Brian in Pennsylvania.
Brian, welcome to the Rush Show.
Thank you.
Nice talk with you, Roger.
I wanted to make a comment about Mitt Romney.
And I think it was a blind episode that they had on him and his religion.
They thought it would play quite a role if he were to run for president about him being a Mormon.
And I thought it was quite interesting how he handled himself.
He's such a very fundamentally based with solid core values.
And as far as the conservative Republican side, I definitely think that this is a guy who can show a real strong front for that type of person who would vote, which is where I come from.
I come from a very, very conservative background, and he would definitely be my first choice.
All right.
And I've met Mitt Romney, and I really admire a lot of things he was able to do as a Republican governor of Massachusetts, which is the bluest of blue states.
And Mitt Romney is very, very smart and very capable.
And it seems like his core beliefs are, as you say, I don't have any problem with that.
His speech today, as I say, to the Detroit Economic Club hit all of the Reagan punchlines, believe me, hit all of them.
And it's hard to find someone with such a clean background.
I mean, you can try and dig up dirt on millions of politicians, but this is one guy.
They'll have a tough time doing that.
Man, no love triangle, no trying to get into the campaign manager wife's knickers.
I mean, this is pretty boring.
Yeah.
I mean, he's only had one wife for crying out loud.
Brian, what are we ever going to say?
Well, how did they, by the way, how did they handle the Mormonism issue?
You were talking about what, an NBC?
I think it was a date line.
They asked him how it would affect his running and people would not vote for him because of his affiliation with the Mormon religion.
And he said simply that it was that was the religion that he was raised in, and he doesn't think that America, Americans, will depict, because it doesn't matter if you have a Catholic president or a Baptist president.
The religion, he's going to make decisions based on his feeling in politics.
His religion isn't going to have an effect on his decisions made in the White House.
Well, I think that's this answer he has to give, and it's the answer that comes out of the Jack Kennedy experience of overcoming the Catholic thing.
But they actually brought that up in the interview.
But listen, but here's the thing I think he has to actually overcome, and that is that a lot, I don't know, let me just say some, of the conservative, evangelical, Christian conservative base believes that Mormonism is a cult.
Well, it's a simple misconception, I'm sure.
Me coming from the Mormon faith and being raised in, I know it's not.
Well, and let's assume that you're not talking about it.
Now, Brian, Brian, before I get on the call, let me just rapidly say, I'm not saying it's a cult.
I'm saying that some people raised in the evangelical tradition are going to view, because I've heard them say this, heard people who are that inclined say this, I can't vote for Romney, although, yes, he espouses a lot of conservative values, and I like that, and he was a good governor, and he knew how to kind of make things work even against a tough Democratic legislature, and that's a good skill, and all that stuff.
I understand all that, but he's a Mormon, and it's a cult.
People need to judge a man for his character.
I guess that's all I can say.
Sorry, Brian.
That's a good point.
I appreciate the call.
And I think it's something that Romney is going to have to overcome.
But if anybody can do it, it's him in a similar way as Jack Kennedy overcame the political stigma, at least at that time in 1960, of being a Catholic.
All right, Gary in Springfield, Illinois.
Speaking of historic places, Gary, welcome to the Rush program.
Hi, Roger.
I think you're giving these people a little too much credit for principle.
I think a lot of these people who were disappointed in the way things were being handled, or so, you know, so they said, that was enough.
Change was a bigger principle to them than conservative principles.
In terms of voting the Democrats in in the last election.
Yeah, well, and the evidence of the evidence of that is as the Democrats go off on their ideological agenda with all this extreme stuff and an attempt to get energy independence,
for example, by shutting down energy drilling in the United States, which I think are two contradictory stands, an attempt to push this kind of stuff, that it does show an extremism that I don't think the voters voted for.
I mean, I'm with you on that.
I think that change and trying to punish the Republicans was a part of a lot of what went on.
When I hear the senators, when they were debating the resolutions, talking about, well, they weren't debating them.
I heard Senator Reed say half a dozen times about the voice of the people in November.
That's bogus.
I agree with you.
As soon as they start doing some of this stuff, these people wake up a little bit.
Well, for instance, and here's Gary, thanks for the call.
Here's the one I loved.
You know, they had the big minimum wage debate.
Remember that?
Going to raise the minimum wage.
Well, except for some places.
It turns out that in the House version, Nancy Pelosi's version, the island of Samoa is exempt from the minimum wage.
It further turns out that the island of Samoa has about 40% of its workforce employed in tuna canneries.
It further turns out that the tuna canneries are there because there is no minimum wage and they have low wages there.
The average hourly wage for American Samoa tuna canneries in 2004 was about $3.60.
Now, it's much lower.
Thailand is $0.67 an hour, Philippines $0.66 an hour.
But these companies, Starkist and Chicken of the Sea, are in Samoa.
So when the rest of the country was going to $7.15, and oh, yeah, this includes all the islands.
You know, we own the Marianas and Guam and all these other places that are part of the United States.
They're all covered by the bill, except Samoa.
Why do you suppose?
Well, does it turn out that both Starkist and Chicken of the Sea are headquartered in California, and Stark Hist's parent company has its headquarters in Mrs. Pelosi's San Francisco district.
In other words, ladies and gentlemen, if you voted for change, if you voted to spank the Republicans for corruption and the culture of corruption, if you did, then you voted in the alternative guys who have the same kind of corrupt behavior when it comes to their self-interest.
Minimum wage is just and right, except for Samoa, where, by the way, there's a Democratic governor.
The Marianas, another group of islands that have problems getting jobs, same deal, they're not going to get jobs because the minimum wage is going to apply in the Marianas, which has a, are you ahead of me yet, Republican governor.
So much for the culture of corruption.
I'm Roger Hedgecock, back with more on the Rush Show after this.
And we're back on the Rush Show.
I'm Roger Hedgecock filling in for Rush Limbaugh today, a day off, a couple days off here.
I'm going to do a couple days, and then Mark will be a Belling will be in here on Friday.
Alan, Decatur, Illinois, is next on the Rush program.
Hi, Al.
Hi, Roger.
I think Giuliani is the best offer for the Republicans because I think he's a national figure.
He's a star figure.
But he needs to get a true conservative for vice president.
I know nobody votes for the vice president, but a true conservative would allay the fears of the conservative part of the country.
And who would that be, in your opinion?
Well, I don't know.
I think Newt Gingrich, maybe what's the fellow from the Mormon, I forgot his name already.
Newt Romney.
Romney, if they would accept it.
I don't think McCain can get elected.
He's too liberal on social issues.
And another thing, you mentioned this Democrat, Democratic thing.
Yeah.
We don't say Republicanic.
Democratic is a form of government.
They are Democrats.
They are Democrats.
Yeah.
Not Democratic.
Democratic is a form of government.
Now, but if they decide, Al, and I'm just to take the other side for a moment, if they decide, whoever, that they want to call their party, you know, the Bull Moose Party or whatever, aren't they entitled to the title of their party of their choice?
Absolutely.
But do they call it the Democratic Party or the Democrat Party?
Well, they call it the Democratic Party.
Well, they do?
Yeah.
Oh, that's lovely.
Yeah.
Is this news to you?
Huh?
Al, thanks for the call.
Here's Bill in Bergen County, New Jersey.
Bill, welcome to the Rush Show.
Yeah, hi, how are you doing?
I just want to say that Rudolph Giuliani is somewhat of a superstar.
Arto Schwarzenegger is a superstar.
Ronald Reagan was a superstar.
Hillary Clinton, to some extent, is a superstar.
Her name is well known.
And that's what it's going to take to win this election.
We need Rudolph Giuliani, maybe Newt Kingridge as a vice president.
He's got the right ideas.
He's a good conservative.
And he's the type of guy we need.
But Rudy can win the election, and Newt can't.
My opinion.
All right, Bill, I appreciate it.
Yesterday was Ronald Reagan's, would have been his 96th birthday.
And on those occasions, and when I was reading some of that and like an earlier caller, reading some of Reagan's speeches and what he stood for, I guess I knew this then when in 1988 Reagan completed his eight years in the presidency that we would miss him.
I knew it then.
I didn't know how much I would miss him.
This year, 2007, I mean, a long time later, boy, I don't know about you, but I miss Ronald Reagan.
There didn't have to be a lot of explanation.
There didn't have to be a lot of, well, okay, I agree with this, but I don't agree with that.
There didn't have to be a lot of, well, does he have a chance to win?
Does he have, you know, does he have the support?
Well, you know, some group is angry because he isn't 100% on this.
There wasn't, for whatever reason, am I just glossing over this history?
It seemed to me there wasn't a lot of that.
There was this guy, and I guess it was partially Reagan because you know what he used to say, and I've heard him say this.
He would say, hey, if somebody agrees with me 85%, do you think I'm going to worry about the 15% we don't agree?
This is a game of pulling people together who can find a common ground and then move forward together on a generally agreed-upon agenda.
And I think that realism, that political realism from a common sense point of view is missing in too many people in politics today.
Here's Jeff in Carney, Nebraska.
Jeff, your choice.
Yeah, I'm supporting Chuck Hagel for president.
Why?
Although he's not necessarily declared, he's running right now.
I think he's a veteran who's got a true conservative background, and I think he can defend himself against the Clinton machine.
Well, he certainly is the media darling today because, of course, the media wing of the Democratic Party loves any Republican, like they used to love McCain, who is going to buck the party and buck the president and do what he can to screw things up.
Well, I don't think he's screwing things up.
I think he's just stating his belief.
And if it comes down to whether Chuck Hagel says something or not, whether this war is won, I don't think that it was ever going to be won anyway.
Oh, you don't.
So in other words, if you go into a war and your belief from the beginning is we're not going to win, then guess what?
Jeff, apparently these questions are just a little too tough for you.
Let me move on to Henry in Lyndenhurst, Illinois.
Hi, Henry.
Welcome to the Russ Show.
Hi, Roger.
Yeah, I was at the March for Life on January 22nd in Washington, D.C. In the 100 to 200,000 people that were at that march, there were thousands of signs for Senator Brownback.
He's pro-life.
He led things on abortion and banning partial birth abortion.
What pro-life march?
At the March for Life that was held in Washington, D.C. on Roe v. Wade.
Yeah, I didn't see that on CBS, NBS, or ABS.
I was a week after they carried the Iraq war, but they didn't carry this.
But he's also a sponsor.
What if you have a demonstration and no one covers it?
Right.
Is it really a demonstration?
It's the first annual event in Washington, D.C. You'd never know it, my friend.
Listen, Brownback is good on life.
The problem with Brownback is he's terrible on the border.
See, I'm now practicing the politics I was just saying a moment ago we shouldn't.
But I'm so upset about Bush's leaving the border open and unsecured at the same time we're fighting this war on terror.
I can't tell you.
I mean, it's my number one issue.
And so let me vent for a little bit on my number one issue.
Brownback has been a disaster on the border.
That's bad about that.
What's that?
What's he said bad about it?
Well, he's in favor of the amnesty bill.
He's in favor of McCain's approach.
He's in favor of, oh, well, they just broke in.
Let's give him a bedroom in the house approach to amnesty and immigration.
And I'm not.
Let me give you some counteract on that.
Okay, he opposes all tax increases.
He's the only candidate that has signed the form for the Americans for Tax Reform that he will not increase any taxes.
I'm for that.
I appreciate that.
I appreciate his pro-life thing.
If he's going to leave the border open, he's not going to get my vote.
See there, Henry, I'm saying the same exact thing I said we shouldn't say in terms of what Ronald Reagan taught me.
So we've got to go take a break back after this.
Roger Hedgecock, in for Rush Limbaugh, the weird story of Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compillion, who trying to enforce the law at the border, are now serving time in a federal penitentiary.
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