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Feb. 7, 2007 - Rush Limbaugh Program
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February 7, 2007, Wednesday, Hour #1
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Welcome to today's edition of the Rush 24-7 podcast.
And welcome to the Rush Limbaugh Program.
Roger Hedgecock here sitting in for Rush who's having some fun today and doesn't he deserve it after this week.
It's been white hot this week and we're going to keep up the pace.
Lots of things to talk about, lots of things to get you involved in.
And of course, the way you do that, you pick up that telephone and dial us up toll free at 1-800-282-2882 at the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies.
The Imam, the Mullah, may be away today having some fun, but we are told, of course, to continue the pursuit of truth, the relentless pursuit of truth.
What a story.
And I guess it's the top story around the world.
The headlines, as you've been reading, Lust in Space, Astronauts Gone Wild, etc.
The case of Lisa Marie Nowak has taken up a lot of space in the media today.
There are aspects of this, however, that we need to deal with, and they are of considerable importance beyond the titillation of the love triangle of two women after William Ofaline, or whatever his name is, who they're all in this space program, and Lisa Marie Nowak, and of course, at a certain age, American, every time you hear Lisa Marie, you think Presley, but no, this is Nowak, the astronaut.
Lisa Marie, you know, this whole astronaut thing, the right stuff thing, this may be the last role model in America.
Now, think about it.
Long ago, postal workers started shooting each other.
They were gone.
Politicians have always been gone in terms of role models.
Priests have been, you know, buggering 10-year-olds.
They're gone.
You just have so few in modern America role models, people who are holding up the ideals of the American Republic of good behavior, of excellence in what they do.
All of those things we're trying to teach kids.
Astronauts, how many have there been in the last 45 years?
I mean, a thousand of them have been the great names, you know, Grissom and the guy who was on the moon, and Sally Ride.
And I'm thinking, all these people who have been great role models to get kids into science, to get kids into space, to do excellent work.
And now comes Lisa Marie Nowak.
I don't know whether you saw her booking photo, but she looks like a meth addict.
I mean, what, personal opinion, she just looks whacked.
And the diapers thing and just the ridiculous, the whole ridiculous aspect I won't rehash here for you of this arrest yesterday.
But I must say it caused, and let's get to the more serious aspects of this.
It caused me to question if this isn't the last role model to finally be held up to ridicule.
And it is a blow if it is.
Again, politicians long ago subject themselves to ridicule.
Here in California, San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom has caused a cultural revulsion, a shudder across the avenues, the neighborhoods of San Francisco because it's now at long last conclusively proven that, well, Mr. Newsom, Mayor Newsom, is heterosexual.
Believe me, the posters have come down at the bathhouses in San Francisco all over town.
The fondest wishes there in that community have now been dashed.
Basically, Gavin Newsom has been revealed to be a straight man in a gay man's body.
And this is the kind of thing that is causing just a he has to go into rehab.
He has to go into demon booze made me do it.
He has to do something because this is a culture shock.
You mean he's straight?
Is the question most often heard on the streets of San Francisco over the last couple of weeks?
So, these people in politics, of course, have been making laughing stocks out of themselves for quite a long time.
We used to have teachers as role models.
Now, of course, if you read the headlines, more and more females even as sex predators on your children.
These role models that give us something to look up to, to strive for when you're a kid, when you're a kid.
You know, when I was a kid, we looked up to cowboys and we looked up to presidents.
I mean, that's how old I am.
So, you're just in a situation where this is the last role model, and you can hardly go to the sports world.
I mean, come on.
So, in any event, I guess I'm kind of nostalgic today for an era in which we had lots of role models, lots of people to look up to, to emulate, to feel respect for.
How many are left in terms of categories here?
I used to be judges.
I'm a recovering attorney myself.
I've been in rehab for a number of years in the 12-step program to the effects of becoming a lawyer.
I'm almost cleansed.
I mean, I even had to change my vocabulary.
You really have to go intensively into this if you're going to return to human status after being an attorney.
So, this is today kind of a feeling that even judges faced with this NOAC situation, the judge that set the bail and set the terms of bail, including the GPS monitor, where he's saying, and I've got some tape of this in a minute, but it's just wild.
He doesn't know what to do.
It's clear he hasn't the slightest clue what to do here.
And he's trying to, I guess his bottom line is the bail is set at something.
And if you wear this ankle and you come back into the state, then I guess your victim will be warned.
We'll phone her.
Hi, the person stalking you is back in state.
Have a nice day.
Listen to this judge.
I mean, this is wild.
On this count is $10,000 plus the GPS monitoring through the court program incorporated.
State, you are going to need to give the clerk's office a telephone number to reach the victim, Ms. Shipman.
It's also no contact with Ms. Shipman.
They can set that device such that in the event that the defendant even comes into the state of Florida, that the device automatically telephones Ms. Shipman so that Ms. Shipman will know that the defendant is in the state of Florida.
It's not a condition that she not come in the state of Florida, but if she, the word will be that the court programs incorporated will notify the victim if the defendant either tampers with the device or enters the state of Florida, just so the victim at least knows that the person is in the state of Florida.
Obviously, it's not a condition that the defendant not coming to Florida, but at least the victim will know that she's in the state of Florida, such as I think that will adequately protect her.
Just a complete act of compassion here at the Limbaugh Institute.
I am not going to name this judge.
I don't want to embarrass this person any further than his own words have done.
So, as I'm saying, these icons in our society, these role models, these look up to people, are rapidly disappearing from the scene.
And there's another aspect that I want you to comment on, too, about this Lisa Marie-Nowak case.
Here is an accomplished woman who has done everything.
Married 19 years, three children, successful military career, woman in space.
Okay?
I mean, the peak of achievement, having it all, doing it all, being able to juggle all.
And under the kind of feminist ideology, the crowning irony of these events is that she throws it all away for a man.
How can this be?
How can after all this achievement, all of this excellence, all of this showing that you can do it all, you can be the mother, you can be a captain, and you can be in the military, you can be in space, you can go through all of that, the military academy, the whole thing, and excel at everything and beat men at everything and be accepted in the highest ranks of the astronaut corps and throw it away for a man?
What were you thinking?
See, that's the feminist approach to this thing.
What is this?
And for a sleazeball, I mean, I don't even know, Mr. Ofaline, but keep in mind, this is a guy with kids at home and he's got girlfriends and he's got this and that and the other.
That's fine.
That's great.
According to modern America, that's the way it should be, I guess.
But what is this?
So in any event, that's the latest in the news.
And I think one of the couple of the aspects that need to be addressed in American society, because if after 45 years there has never been an arrest of an astronaut, and then this, is it yet another icon to fall, another statue with clay feet here, another person to look up to that maybe we've got to add an asterisk to the record book like we've had to do so often in the sports record books.
I'm Roger Hedgecock, in for Rush Limbaugh, phone number 1-800-282-2882.
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We'll take a short break and come back because I want to get into, well, maybe there's a commercial aspect of this Lisa Marie-Nowak thing that should be explored by those of us with a capitalist bank.
After this.
Roger Hedgecock, in for Rush Limbaugh, 1-800-282-2882.
And again, the big story of the day, Lisa Marie-Nowak, the astronaut, back in Houston today, jacket over her head, like a lot of people we've seen recently doing the perp walk, given pretty special treatment, out on bail, $25,000.
Sounds a little low for first-degree murder, which I thought they were, I don't know, when I read the facts of this case, it didn't sound like first-degree murder.
She's just obsessive and doesn't want to be bumped out of contention with Oferline or whatever his name is from a 30-year-old.
What is she?
42, 43 years old.
She's got this 30-year-old that's after him as well.
So, okay, I mean, I don't mean to get into the details of it without knowing, but it seems pretty obvious on the face of it that she's not going to be bested by the 30-year-old.
Whatever her problems are, and I guess Walter in New London, in London, Canada, wants a comment on that subject.
Walter, go ahead.
You're on the rush show.
Good morning.
Nice to listen to you.
Thank you.
Just giving the comment, has anyone thought of having her see a doctor?
You know, you would think, and I guess this is the thought on many people's minds, The most analyzed people in the world, the most tested people in the world as to their mental stability, their ability to handle emergencies and concerns and problems would be astronauts.
I mean, good grief, don't they go through years of testing and retesting to make sure they got the right people to send into space on these missions?
It's just incredible to me that somebody like this with this kind of potential would be an astronaut, but then I don't know.
I mean, what do you think?
As I said, anything is in the mix.
Anything is possible.
And I think just the basics, why not have someone who has invested so much of her life and so much effort and energy has been invested in her well-being just to basically see a physician.
Now, I don't know if that's going to work at this point.
Walter, I appreciate the call.
I bet she does see some people.
They did some psychiatric testing apparently before she left Florida.
They should have been testing this judge, I think, as well.
There are some, well, I always like to look at things this way.
What is the capitalist potential for this situation?
And, well, we've come up with at least one potential advertiser.
Sounds something like this.
Whether you're traveling through the deepest uncharted depths of space or just a quick trip down to Florida, you want a panty on Earth you can depend on.
Introducing NASA Knickers.
No matter the gravity of the situation, you won't get any embarrassing signs of linkage orbiting down there.
When you're driving in, you gotta squirt.
Have NASA Knickers on under your skirt.
They can make for a comfy ride, keeping you nice and dry.
NASA Knickers are here.
Available now to keep an airlock shop or online at NASAKnickers.com.
Houston, we have a diaper.
So that's some of the things we thought about here.
Kind of a little insight into our thinking as well.
Yikes.
Jackie in Kenai, is it Arkansas?
Go ahead.
Kenai, Alaska.
You're way at the wrong end of the country.
Well, I saw AKA and I did.
I know where Kenai is, by the way.
Good for you.
Kenai, Alaska.
Hi, Jackie, and welcome.
Thank you.
Well, first of all, I think that, let's see, disposable adult diaper stock's going to go way up.
You know, it's going to be socially acceptable now on those long car rides.
But I'm kidding there.
Boy, I hope not.
Go ahead.
My feeling at this point, I think it's very early, and I'm sure that there's going to be a lot of, you know, the way things typically are in society.
They'll go all the way back to her early childhood days and family structure and take a good look at her life as she grew up and maybe find some different angles or reasons.
But I think very intelligent, qualified people in all segments of society, up to our president and certainly religious leaders, you can't really look at the profession and say, gee, they were so qualified for this.
What could possibly have caused them to behave in this way?
Because we see it.
We've seen it worldwide.
We've seen it nationally.
People are people.
There are things like chemical imbalances.
There are personality disorders.
And certainly in a situation where, you know, some sort of a romantic jealousy and the different emotions that come up, we've just seen so much of this.
I really don't think you can just point to the fact that she was so well qualified to be an astronaut.
And, you know, certainly it's admirable.
Very few people on the planet have those qualifications and have been able to join the space program and be at that level.
But I think that's a good question.
I guess my point, Jackie, is that a while back in America, we didn't have this kind of thing.
I mean, a while back in America, we looked up to teachers.
We looked up to religious leaders who didn't admit to being homosexual and then say they're cured in two weeks of counseling.
I mean, I'm sorry, that just didn't happen in the past.
I don't think we had, you know, don't you think Clinton and his personal behavior was a break with the past, if only in the fact that those kind of things were kept private in the past?
Oh, certainly.
I think there was a code amongst the media.
Certainly, you didn't go there and things were hushed up, just like Hollywood years ago, where they had the publicists and arranged marriages for actors with some different lifestyles.
Boy, that's true.
We thought Rock Hudson was straight.
I mean, come on.
Oh, well, gosh, and he's not the only one.
How naive could you get?
Yeah, yeah.
But I just really think in this case, and certainly her intelligence, you know, and her qualifications, I just think that, you know, it's going to be like so many other individuals that have had, you know, a scandal or something that they'll do the background checks, and there will probably be a lot of new information that we don't have at this point.
But I really think it tarnishes the image of an astronaut personally.
I think it tarnishes the image.
I think it's the last bastion of these role model kind of things, and kids will now have to be taught the asterisk in a situation where they shouldn't have.
That's kind of my point about this: maybe I'm nostalgic for an America where people, you know, you're going to be married 19 years and you're going to have three kids, and you don't just go crazy, you know, particularly after all that accomplishment in your life, again, whether you're male or female.
But it is kind of interesting that a female is involved here because, again, the role model is females can do anything males can do, and this woman was certainly proving that in her excellence.
But, you know, in stability terms, isn't that the knock on women?
You put them in a military, you put them in stress, you put them in traditional male roles, they're going to feel more stressed, they're going to get, you know, they're going to break in this situation.
Isn't that kind of the feeding the fire of people saying, look, see, you know, women shouldn't have been in the military in the first place, Roger.
They should have been at home.
You know, that kind of stuff.
I don't know.
And a lot of different levels.
This is so disappointing.
And so it holds up to ridicule that which shouldn't be held up to ridicule, which is this program with astronauts has been excellent.
This program has inspired a lot of American kids into science, into excellence, into reaching for the stars literally and figuratively in their own lives.
And now, you know, it's again held up to the same sort of ridicule we're hearing about priests and teachers and postal workers and politicians and whoever the heck else.
So, I don't know.
If I've got time for another call, let me try Austin in Nashville.
Oh, I've only got 30 seconds.
Austin, you hang on because we're going to come back to you.
And I also want to talk, speaking of San Francisco, represented so ably in the House of Representatives by Nancy Pelosi.
I want to talk a little bit about that and Nancy Pelosi's first 100 hours and what's going on now in Congress as well when we come back.
I'm Roger Hedgecock in for Rush Limbaugh and taking your calls at 1-800-282-2882 on the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies.
This is the EIB Network coming at you from the West Coast today.
Back after this.
Roger Hedgecock in for Rush Limbaugh here at the Limbaugh Institute.
Later in the program, we're going to get into the issue of the Border Patrol agents sent to federal prison for two of them for 11 and 12 years, respectively, penitentiary time for shooting an illegal alien drug smuggler for, in effect, doing their job.
We're going to get into this because the government of the Bush administration has been caught lying about these officers, and one has to wonder why.
We're going to get the whole story to you later in the program.
New polling data out as well on the presidential race, consolidation of the Democratic ranks already behind Hillary Clinton, whose fundraising efforts, by the way, have been, well, nothing short of phenomenal.
We'll get into detail about that.
ABC News had some interesting analysis today on that.
What's happening with the rest of the PAC on the Democratic side, and then some interesting developments on the Republican side.
Who are, I get to ask this question all the time, who are conservatives going to support in the Republican nomination?
Well, probably at this point, it's don't know and then about three names.
So we'll get into why it shouldn't be that way later in the program as well.
Recently, the Democrats had a retreat, and the president spoke at that retreat, and Russia's covered it.
But I thought that there was a part of that retreat that deserved a little more emphasis.
At the beginning of it, the Democrats were assembled and were led in prayer.
With their heads bowed reverently, the Democrats were led in prayer by a Muslim Imam, Husham al-Husseini.
Now, Husham al-Husseini is the Imam of the Karbala Islamic Education Center, a Shiite mosque in Dearborn, Michigan.
Here is his prayer.
Now, listen to the words carefully because they're code.
Like most prayers, there's a lot of meaning-freighted meaning in each of these words.
Here's the prayer: In the name of God, the most merciful and most compassionate, we thank you, God, to bless us among your creations.
We thank you, God, to make us a great nation.
We thank you, God, to send us your messages through our Father Abraham and Moses and Jesus and Muhammad.
Through you, God, we unite.
So guide us to the right path, the path of the people you bless, not the path of the people you doom.
Help us, God, to liberate and fill this earth with justice and peace and love and equality, and help us to stop the war and violence and oppression and occupation.
Amen.
Now, that prayer, ladies and gentlemen, again, I don't know if you can just imagine for a moment, first of all, the threshold here.
I'm kind of thinking to myself, when did the last time the Democrats had a Christian prayer that asked them to guide away from the path of the people doomed by God?
Doomed.
The prayer is derived from phrases in the Quran.
And the first surah or chapter of the Quran includes the words to asking of Allah, show us the straight path, the path of those whom thou hast favored and not the path of those who earn thine anger or those who go astray.
Well, the Islamic understanding is the straight path is Islam.
Those who have earned Allah's anger are Jews.
Those who have gone astray are Christians.
So in this prayer, this Imam is calling for the worldwide conversion to Islam.
He is calling for turning away from those who have angered God, Jews, those who have simply been stupid, Christians, and to turn to Islam.
The Democrats, with their heads bowed, amen, they say.
Now, you know, it's one thing to have a resolution trying to get rid of Bush, who never should have been president in 2000 anyway.
It's one thing to try to diss this continuation of the war, the surge, to get the resolutions through Congress.
And that's all politics.
But to bow your head and to say amen to the worldwide conversion of everyone to Islam, doesn't that go just a little bit farther?
So the Christians, of course, have been led astray.
And the Jews have incurred the curse.
And the world, to find peace and justice and love and equality, will be liberated by Allah to Islam.
Now, you know, I guess, you know, judging from history, and I know a little bit about it, I guess that Christianity was a much more militant faith with its own kind of militancy in the Middle Ages and the view of converting the world to Christianity.
And they sent out missionaries who, you know, the best I've been able to tell, were not armed.
They were not intent on physically conquering people, nor did they say, and maybe they did say, that other people who weren't Christians were doomed.
But they certainly didn't try, and I don't think Christians have ever tried to forcibly convert people to Christianity.
You know, we're going to get a lot of argument, I suppose, if I throw this out.
But on the other hand, can I look at the other side of the ledger?
Islam is a religion that has always, since the 7th century, gained its converts at the point of a sword, or, to bring it up to date, an AK-47 or an RPG.
This is not a religion that sends out peaceful emissaries to other people saying, see the wisdom of our approach to Christianity, our approach to religion, rather.
Won't you please convert?
No, And, you know, I'm so sick and tired of our kids being indoctrinated about the Crusades.
You know, the Christians trying to recover the holy places of Jesus in the Holy Land and so forth.
And conquering the Muslims to get it.
And they were righteously thrown out by the Muslims who threw them out Saladin and all this.
There'd been a movie about this and so forth.
This is where I learned most of my history, as most Californians do, you know, from movies.
So I got all that.
But then I kind of remembered something else that I might have read in a book someplace someday, I don't know, way back, that the Muslims got the Holy Land by conquering it in the first place.
That it was Christian and Jewish before that.
I guess that part doesn't get mentioned now.
I don't know.
Here's Austin in Nashville on the Rush program.
Hi, Austin.
Hey, Do and Roger.
Okay.
Honor to be on the program.
Thank you for being here.
I hate to get back into this astronaut love triangle situation.
The situation that you were just talking about was a lot more important.
No, you don't hate to.
You want to get into it.
You want to wallow in this stuff.
It's the headlines of today, lust in space.
I mean, this is good stuff.
Go ahead.
Okay, well, let me just tell you my situation.
I'm an active duty infantryman in the Army.
And really, I was just thinking about this.
Number one, they're both officers in the United States military.
Yep.
All three of them are.
They're all three of them.
That's correct.
But the two I'm most concerned with is the fact that she's married.
Apparently, she's separated, or I'm not sure what the situation is, but the situation should have never happened in the first place.
And the job that I'm in, currently you can't have females in combat jobs.
My job is a combat job.
And there's always an argument being made that, you know, should we have women in in combat?
Should they not be?
And luckily, they've kind of made my point for me with this whole situation where if you took the variable out of having females mixed with males, this would have never happened.
And luckily, you know, this time it didn't cause any deaths or anything like that.
But in my line of work, if you have a situation like this, you know, people's lives are hanging in the balance.
And that's just it's an added variable that we do not need.
Yeah.
Well, now, and you're a and you're you've been in combat, I take it.
Yes, sir.
Now, a lot of veterans come back here to San Diego, where I am.
Sometimes wounded at Balboa Hospital, sometimes coming back to Pendleton and other places that are bases near here.
And their stories are that this war in Iraq, anyway, and Afghanistan that we're in now, the enemy and the line of fire and so forth comes at you from all kinds of different ways so that females and their assignments to drive trucks, to repair helicopters, whatever it is, they're in combat anyway.
I mean, the combat is all around you.
And, you know, and a lot of times that's true.
I mean, you've got the whole Jessica Lynch story, and, you know, it's out there in the headlines a lot.
But you've got to keep in mind that there's a difference between people whose jobs it is to go out and patrol and go out and be in direct harm's way every mission that they go out on, and people whose jobs it is to, you know, fix helicopters or do administrative jobs and jobs that are open to females.
Now, you think, in other words, Austin, you think that this is a case that should illustrate for Americans that females have no business being in these high-pressure combat jobs?
And it's not even that it's necessarily more high-pressure, but it's the living conditions that we lived in, 10 guys to a room, very close proximity.
If there had been females mixed in there, it would have made it very, very difficult for things like this to not happen.
Oh, that's what I mean.
I call that pressure.
And I'm not at all trying to demean women in the military.
Some of the best soldiers that I know are females.
And I absolutely support females being in the military.
But there's a great line in the movie G.I. Jane where there's two of the instructors and they're kind of talking.
And one of them finally says, you know what?
She's not the problem.
We are.
And in a lot of ways, that's correct.
Where I don't hold all the way up until, I mean, obviously her going over the edge and going to Orlando, that's just insane.
But also I hold Oglefor, I don't know if I'm saying that correctly.
You know, I hold him at fault too, because it should have never happened.
No, it's a good point, and that's what they teach you.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, and they're officers.
Hey, Austin, I got their officers.
I got to run, but I want to thank you for your service to the country, and I appreciate your call to the Rush program.
I'm Roger Hedgecock, filling in for Rush Back After.
Welcome back to the Rush Show.
Roger Hedgecock filling in for Rush Taking Your Calls at 1-800-282-2882.
And Larry in Austin, Texas with another point of view.
Hi, Larry.
Hello.
Appreciate you taking my call, and I want to apologize in advance for my inarticulateness, but just want to make a couple of points to you about the statement you made about Christians not converting people basically at the point of a gun or a bayonet.
You need, and I do probably concur with you about where Californians get their history, but you need to read about the Spanish Inquisition that went on for 300 years, and they would slow roast people to convert them.
When the Jesuits came to Mexico, they enslaved the population and basically wiped out the indigenous population there and tried to convert them.
And also, when the explorers first came to the New World, there was a big debate about whether Indians even had or indigenous population even had souls.
And they called them heathens.
And there was a big debate about that.
But anyway, so there is a great history of Christians killing people if they didn't convert or torturing them to convert.
Okay.
Now, do you have any examples, though, within the last 500 years?
Well, certainly.
I mean, America is not 500 years old.
And if you look at it, and it was in the 1500s that this was the New World.
This is 2001, 2007.
I mean, in other words, I'm sorry.
I'm talking about the Islam of today, okay?
And you're talking about the Christianity of the 1500s.
And my point was that I thought that after the Middle Ages and all that, that Christianity today is mostly, mostly, I don't know, I can't say it for 100%, the Jewish religion, the Christian religion, Buddhism, Hinduism, Confucianism.
All these seem to be religions that say, look, here's what we are, and we'd love to have you as part of our group, and here's why, and here's what we think is great about our beliefs.
But they don't say convert or die.
No, but you've made a statement that you aren't aware of any history that that had not occurred.
I believe I said since the Middle Ages.
Well, the 1500s, well, never mind.
I just wanted to let you know, well, the 1500s are not the Middle Ages.
So would you agree with me?
Would you agree with me that alone among the world's religions, Islam is still today a religion that converts by force?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And, you know, I believe it was E.L. Doctorow that stated that what we're battling is the ancient myth versus the modern myth.
And basically, their concept of history ended in the 600s.
And, yeah, it's going to be a tough battle and a long battle, but we'll never change the fanaticism or their paradigm about how they view Christians or Jews.
Well, I'm sorry.
They're going to have to change.
They're going to have to have their own reformation, if you will, Larry, because as long as the, and we're going to have to call it like it is, because as long as the leaders of the Democratic Party bow their heads in prayer and accept from an imam of the Islam religion, the Muslim religion, that a prayer in which they say amen, which means I agree, by the way, I believe, that they say amen to the notion that Christians are led astray, Jews are doomed by God,
and the only way to justice, peace, and happiness in the planet is to convert to Islam.
Well, I would much rather exterminate the Democrats and not worry about the Muslims.
Well, that's another whole story.
Well, that's another story.
Larry, okay, thanks for the call.
I appreciate it.
Here's Bruce and Gary, Indiana.
Bruce, welcome to the Russ Show.
Hey, Roger.
Hi.
Hey, just wanted to make a point about this scandal with this astronaut.
I think the media does have a vested interest in trying to play up scandals of this nature, just like they did with the teacher predators, just like they did with Catholic priests.
The vast majority of astronauts, priests, and teachers are great heroes.
They really are.
And if you've known any of them, then you know that they are.
There's a tiny minority of people who do these types of things, and the left takes advantage of it because that's the way they can attack conservative values by parading hypocrisy to discredit our views and our values as conservatives.
Well, that's true.
The media loves to mock that which is traditional, and there's no question about that.
But of course, we also like to gossip.
The root cause of that is gossip.
We love to gossip about other people's failures, other people's scandals, other people, the titillation of all of that.
There's no question, Bruce, that the media's preoccupation with this stuff is partially coming out of that most human of vices, which is we gossip about each other, right?
Right.
But the liberals also go the next step.
I mean, they don't share a lot of the conservative values, and so the way they can tear them down is by parading a hypocrite or somebody who fails to meet that.
And that disheartens me.
I tell you what we're going to do, Bruce.
I'm going to accept what you say, and I'm going to turn the tables.
I'm going to turn the tables on that particular premise when we come back.
I appreciate the call because it's inspired me to do something.
Let me just take a short break here and be right back.
Mocking liberal values.
You know what?
Remember Abu Ghraib, Abu Ghrab?
The problem was those pictures, you know, the pyramid of the naked guys and what's her name, leading the naked guy around on all fours on the leash and all of that.
Well, it was, of course, denounced as torture by Ted Kennedy said there was a new, you know, as bad as Saddam and running this prison.
Well, Pelosi had a problem.
Pelosi had a big problem in San Francisco because when she tried to explain this as torture, she's running up against a culture where a pyramid of naked guys, well, they're party favors.
You know, somebody going around with a naked guy on a leash on all fours.
She had a problem with calling that torture since in San Francisco, it could be a date.
You just never know.
So this is the kind of thing that we ought to be doing a more of.
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