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	Welcome back to the Rush Show.
	I'm Roger Hedgecock in for Rush today and tomorrow.
	Thanks for listening, and let's get to a story.
	I'm going to summarize it briefly here because it's a complex story.
	Two Border Patrol agents, Ignacio Ramos and Jose Campillan, they of Mexican heritage themselves, working in the Border Patrol, stop an illegal alien, Mexican drug smuggler by the name of Osvaldo Aldrete Davilo, February 17, 2005, on American territory near the Texas border.
	The agent's testimony is in the trial where they're charged, they are charged, not the illegal alien drug smuggler.
	The Border Patrol agents are charged by the U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton with crimes in connection with stopping this smuggler.
	The agents allege the smuggler wouldn't stop, fought with the agents, fled, turned back as he was running away and appeared to be preparing to fire a weapon at the agents.
	The drug smugglers thing is, hey, I wasn't doing anything wrong.
	These guys came at me.
	I ran away out of fear.
	They shot me in the butt.
	It was completely their fault, etc.
	Now, the facts, as everybody agrees, is that the van that Mr. Aldrete Davila was driving had 743 pounds of pot, that he's been a drug smuggler since the age of 14, that he never, according to his mother, comes into the United States on these drug runs without a weapon.
	He denies he has a weapon.
	They agree that he was running away.
	Everybody agrees with that.
	And that after the shots were fired by the Border Patrol agents, he continued running into Mexico.
	Apparently only later, oh, I'm shot.
	Now, that's a big butt to ignore a bullet, but I mean, he just kept running.
	I don't know about the big butt part, but I mean, I'm just kind of conjecture.
	This is a serious issue because after this all happened, and there were up to nine Border Patrol agents, including apparently a supervising agent, an agent in charge, and those kinds of folks there, the higher brass, arrived at the scene either at the time or shortly thereafter.
	No report was filed.
	Border Patrol requires every time you fire your weapon, you have a report.
	They fired their weapon.
	They agree with that.
	They fired their weapon.
	Both of them did.
	The report was not filed, nor was it filed by anybody else in the Border Patrol at the site either.
	And some have told me these reports should be filed by the supervisors, ultimately.
	Two supervisors were there, did not file a report.
	All of the illegal alien was immunized.
	He was brought out of Mexico.
	He was given total immunity for his crimes.
	He was given a green card.
	He was given medical treatment.
	He has now sued the government for $5 million for the violation of his civil rights.
	Johnny Sutton brought this, the U.S. attorney down there in El Paso, brought a Bush appointee and a former associate of George Bush's as governor of Texas, an advisor to the governor, known George Bush for a long time, worked in the Justice Department in the transition team in the famous year of 2000.
	Personally appointed by Bush to go down to El Paso.
	What has he been doing since he got down there?
	Well, he says he's been corralling all the bad guys.
	So far, he's been putting law enforcement under the microscope.
	If somebody's running away from you, a suspected drug smuggler, and they turn around to fire.
	And by the way, how do we know he turned around?
	Because the Army doctor testifies that the entry of the bullet in the side of the posterior of the illegal alien drug smuggler and the exit point indicate that he was turning around with his left hand held up.
	Well, people say, well, he was right-handed.
	Well, whatever.
	He was actually in a posture of firing consistent with the testimony of the two Border Patrol agents.
	Nonetheless, the jury finds guilty.
	Violation of civil rights, discharging the firearm, whatever the charges were, they added up to lots of years in the federal penitentiary, federal crime.
	The three jurors later said, well, we didn't really think they were guilty, but we were told that we had to come to a conclusion, and nine people agreed with it, so we went along.
	Well, you know, whatever that means.
	But down in El Paso, it also wonders who's on that jury.
	Is it a jury of peers?
	You know, this case always comes up, this kind of thing always comes up when you're talking about certain kinds of defendants in this country, OJ or whatever.
	But does it come up in this case where, you know, are the people on that jury immigrants or recent immigrants or sons and daughters of immigrants who have bad impressions of the Border Patrol to start with?
	That question never gets, you know, it's almost politically incorrect to even ask it.
	But in El Paso, it needs to be asked.
	Anyway, Johnny Sutton went after a deputy sheriff for firing his gun at a van that was trying to run him over.
	Turns out it was also illegals.
	So it looks like, and the message going across the border is that the Bush administration, threw its handpicked U.S. attorney in front of a judge appointed by George Bush, who, by the way, was appointed to a state court bench by Governor Bush, who, by the way, used to be in family court and knew George Bush as a candidate and governor before that.
	So very close Bush people, the judge and the prosecutor, involved in what looks like a continuing effort to rein in law enforcement against enforcing border protections.
	So Ramos and Compillon go to the federal penitentiary under those kinds of circumstances.
	And the people like Duncan Hunter, we mentioned earlier in the program, are assured that they will be protected in the general population because, as you may not know, 27% of the incarcerated prisoners in the federal prison system are illegally in this country.
	Ought to be a red flag for you on a number of levels.
	27%.
	Certainly was a red flag to Ramos and Campion.
	They're going into federal penitentiaries where the people they have put in jail are.
	So, no, no, they're going to be protected.
	We understand they're going to be segregated.
	They're not going to be put.
	First time Ramos gets down to the prison in Mississippi, he's put in general population.
	He said in his sentencing they'd go to a minimum security, he'd accept general population that is out with the rest of the prisoners if he went to a minimum security prison because likely the hardcore criminals would not be there.
	No, he's sent to a medium security prison and he's put in general population.
	And that night, last Saturday night, he's beaten within an inch of his life by five illegal aliens screaming, kill the Border Patrol in Spanish.
	That's what actually happened.
	Now, what's even more frightening than all of that is the fact that the government has now admitted lying about many of the aspects of this case.
	Here is the article, and Jerome Corsi is the author in WorldNet Daily.
	The inspector general of the Department of Homeland Security, Richard L. Skinner, appeared this week, before the Homeland Security Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee.
	And Congressman John Culberson, a Republican from Texas, was questioning Skinner about a meeting that DHS officials had had with Congressman Culberson and some other Texas congressmen, Ted Poe, Michael McCall, and Kenny Marchon, On September 26th.
	And at that meeting on September 26th, because they were inquiring about these Border Patrol agents, the Homeland Security folks said, oh, no.
	Listen, these guys are bad cops.
	These guys are rogues.
	You want them in prison.
	They did the wrong thing.
	They confessed to knowingly shooting an unarmed suspect.
	They stated that during interrogation they did not believe the suspect was a threat to them.
	They stated that that day they wanted to, quote, shoot a Mexican, unquote.
	They stated and they were belligerent to the investigators, these two Border Patrol agents, and they destroyed evidence and they lied to investigators.
	All of that was the summary of the September 26th briefing that these congressmen got from the Inspector General, Richard L. Skinner.
	Skinner is under question by Culberson this week, admits that the Homeland Security Department, in fact, did not have investigative reports to back up those claims.
	In fact, with a straight face, Mr. Skinner says to the congressman, the person who told you that misinformed you.
	Misinform?
	The person who told them that was the Inspector General.
	Culberson says, you lied to me and you lied to all of us.
	Your office, he says, tried to paint a picture of Ramos and Compian as dirty cops, and now you come before this committee and tell us you never had the information to back up those claims.
	And here are these guys rotting in the federal penitentiary on false claims and lies.
	Jerry Corsi wrote the piece in World Net Daily and joins us on our newsline.
	Hi, Jerry.
	Roger, great honor to be with you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you so much for doing this work.
	Thank you so much for following up.
	Otherwise, I don't know if anybody would have followed this subcommittee hearing.
	Was it as bad as it seems in this article?
	Oh, totally.
	I mean, this was a very big deal.
	The Department of Homeland Security came over and talked to the Republican delegation from Texas.
	They had four congressmen there representing the delegation, including Congressman Culberson, who did the exchange yesterday with the Department of Homeland Security.
	Department of Homeland Security sat there and they made these accusations that Ramos and Campion were bad cops, that they lied, they destroyed evidence, they wanted to kill Mexicans, that they fired at this guy who was unarmed and trying to surrender.
	And Congressman Poe, listening to that, you know, he's a former judge, he said, well, that's fine, Department of Homeland Security.
	I'd like to see your reports that prove that.
	And the Department of Homeland Security said, well, sure, we'll send them right over.
	Well, some four months later, Congress never got the reports.
	Now, when Skinner, the Inspector General from the Department of Homeland Security, came on to this hearing yesterday and testified, there's an appropriations committee in the House.
	This is the subcommittee for the Department of Homeland Security.
	Culverson from Texas, Congressman Culverson's, on the committee, and he says, Now, about those reports, Mr. Skinner, when are we going to get them?
	And Skinner says the reports never existed, that they lied.
	The whole substance of the accusations from the Department of Homeland Security against these two agents was made up.
	The reports don't exist.
	And I was shocked.
	I mean, I've been reporting for a long time.
	This is ridiculous.
	I've never in my career heard the government say that they lied to put two Border Patrol agents in jail on falsified charges.
	And I've been writing, Roger, I have the authentic Department of Homeland Security investigative reports that I've been publishing in World Net Daily and writing about.
	And quite frankly, what the White House has been saying and what Johnny Sutton has been saying is totally false given the reports, the authentic reports of the Department of Homeland Security.
	Now, Jerry, it's like a frame-up.
	Now, Jerry Corsi, I want to get back to what the real reports actually say about what happened that day between the illegal alien drug smuggler and these two Border Patrol agents.
	But hang on, I'm going to take a short break.
	Roger Hedgecock in for Rush.
	Back after this.
	You're listening to the Rush Limbaugh Program.
	Roger Hedgecock filling in for a rush today on the phone, Jerome Corsi, Jerry Corsi, writing much about this case the Bush administration has brought against two Border Patrol agents, Ramos and Compillion, for enforcing the border law and apprehending an illegal alien drug smuggler.
	The drug smuggler is the witness against them in court.
	He has a $5 million civil rights suit against you, the taxpayers of the United States.
	He has a green card.
	He has immunity.
	And the rumor is he's been bringing more drugs across the border and has been immunized for that, too.
	Jerry Corsi, what did the investigation of the Department of Homeland Security really show?
	You've seen the original documents.
	Yes, I've seen the original documents, Roger.
	And I want to start with one here.
	There was a DHS investigative memo.
	It was filed by Special Agent Christopher Sanchez.
	It's dated April 12, 2005.
	And this memo lists seven other Border Patrol agents who were on the scene with Ramos and Campion on the day that Davila was shot, plus two supervisors, a total of nine people.
	And what this report makes clear is that all nine of them saw the shooting.
	There was nothing that could be covered up or hidden.
	One or two of these agents evidently helped Campion pick up the shells.
	The supervisors discussed the incident with them on site.
	A full report was made.
	And the manual of the Border Patrol does not specify a written report has to be made.
	An oral report is all that's necessary.
	And in fact, even if they failed to report it at all, failure to report a discharge of a firearm is subject only to a five-day suspension, not an 11- or 12-year prison sentence.
	But with nine Border Patrol agents there, and one of the two supervisors, Jonathan Richards, actually encouraged Compillion not to make a written report.
	Compion got his hand injured on the scuffle with the drug dealer.
	It was cut.
	And Richards said it would just take too much time to do the paperwork.
	But a full report was made.
	No false report was ever filed.
	I don't think any written report was ever filed.
	And when Johnny Sutton says that these agents lied and covered up, it's just not true.
	The memo from the Department of Homeland Security says if one of them was guilty for not filing a written report, all nine of them, including the two supervisors, were guilty of the same thing.
	Jerry Corsi with us from Washington.
	Now, Jerry, in trial, a number of those Border Patrol agent witnesses were immunized as well.
	In other words, given immunity by the prosecution, they came forward to testify against their brother Border Patrol officers.
	That's right.
	Three of them did.
	And now I've got their transcripts, and I'm going to start combing through their transcripts because I'm told they changed their stories even on the stand.
	And I'm going to find that out.
	But, you know, if there's material evidence that was withheld from the jury during this trial, they should have a new trial.
	And it's certainly material evidence that all of these officers from the Border Patrol were there.
	They knew the drug dealer was running away.
	They, in fact, saw the officers shoot at him.
	No report was ever hidden or lied about.
	All the supervisors knew about it.
	And if Johnny Sutton tried Ramos and Campion on the proposition that they were covering up and lying, it's just not true.
	All right.
	Now, there's been other cases.
	This Edwards County Sheriff Deputy Guillermo Hernandez, or Gilmer, as they call him in that town, here's a deputy sheriff that he's been charged as well and convicted and is now going to be sentenced under federal civil rights law by the same Johnny Sutton in the same district court for firing back at a van full of illegals trying to run him over.
	Well, that's right.
	And, you know, the officers in these instances feel their lives are at risk.
	And when that's the case, the Supreme Court laws, the Border Patrol manual, allows them to discharge their firearms.
	You know, the Border Patrol are not given weapons as hip ornaments.
	They're given them to use when their lives are in danger.
	And Ramos and Campion have both sworn that they saw this drug dealer of Davila running away, turning back at them with something pointed in his hand that looked like it could be a weapon.
	So how did the jury come up with guilty, Jerry?
	That's a $64,000 question in my neighborhood.
	Well, you know, I think there was a lot of the testimony, the things I'm writing about right now, the jury never heard.
	The judge ruled out sealed testimony, wouldn't permit testimony.
	I don't think the defense got to present a fair case.
	I mean, you know, Johnny Sutton has been lying about different aspects of this all along.
	I asked Johnny Sutton, I did a 35-minute interview with him.
	I published in a World Net Daily word for word.
	He told me that he found this Davila because Davila got a lawyer in Mexico, and they called up and said, we've got the guy who was shot, and we'll tell you who he is in exchange for immunity.
	Well, it didn't happen that way.
	The Department of Homeland Security internal investigative reports point out that another agent whose name is Renee Sanchez, who's over in Wilcox, Arizona, grew up with the drug dealer in San Yosidro, Mexico.
	And Agent Sanchez's mother-in-law was on the phone with the mother of the drug dealer.
	And by within two weeks when this incident happened, the Border Patrol knew exactly who did it in Mexico.
	They told Department of Homeland Security, the reports say agent Christopher Sanchez went down to Mexico and found this drug dealer.
	Totally a different story than Johnny Sutton told me, making Johnny Sutton's story a lie.
	They could have found the drug dealer.
	They could have gotten him and they could have prosecuted him.
	They had the information to do so.
	Johnny Sutton chose to look the other way.
	Here's another thing, Jerry Corsi, that Johnny Sutton said to me in an interview I did to him.
	He's talking about how these agents will be protected in prison.
	Well, first of all, they won't go to general population.
	Obviously, federal agents have to be protected inside prison, and they will be.
	That's what he told me on my local program.
	And it turns out the first time Ramos gets into a prison, he gets beat up by illegals.
	Well, that's right.
	And, you know, this was Saturday night, and I heard about it on Monday.
	The families called me, and I was interviewing Monica Ramos, the wife, and also Joel Loya, the father-in-law.
	And this story was incredible to me because let's come back with that.
	I've got to take a break, Jerry.
	Jerry Corsi with us from Washington, D.C., World Net Daily, and other places.
	We'll come back with much more you're not getting in the rest of the media, as usual, here on The Rush Show after this.
	Welcome back to the Rush Limbaugh Program.
	You are listening to the EIB Network.
	Roger Hedgecock filling in for Rush Jerome Corsi.
	Jerry Corsi on the line here from Washington, D.C., a journalist who works for WorldNet Daily.
	We're talking about the case of Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compillion.
	They are sentenced to federal penitentiary, 11 and 12 years, respectively.
	They have reported to prison.
	And immediately, concerns about their safety, where 27 percent on average of the inmates in federal prisons these days are illegally in this country and convicted of serious crimes.
	In other words, people coming here to do the crimes Americans just won't do are in those federal prisons and are and they attacked Mr. Ramos last Saturday night.
	And I guess, Jerry Corsi, you're on top of this story.
	Has Ramos gotten medical attention?
	Because as of Monday, he hadn't even seen a doctor.
	Well, that's right.
	And in fact, Monday was his birthday, and the family, you know, he's got three small kids.
	Kids woke up on Monday crying.
	They didn't know if they could have a birthday party and a cake for their daddy.
	Congressman Rohrbrocker was intervening to get Ramos permission to call.
	When he finally calls his wife about 2 or 3 in the afternoon, he tells her he's been beat up in prison.
	A group of five illegal immigrants, you know, cussing at him in Spanish were kicking him.
	And he had to go.
	At that time, Monica Ramos didn't know he had any medical treatment.
	This was 48 hours after the event had occurred when they talked.
	Finally, we got word from the federal prisons yesterday that confirmed the incident.
	This is in a prison in Yazoo Prison in Mississippi.
	He's been taken to the infirmary, but I don't know if the family even yet had had any real detailed report on his medical condition.
	Now, this is not the only case.
	I mentioned Edwards County Sheriff Deputy Gilmore Hernandez, but there's also the case of David Seipe of Bethany, Oklahoma, a convicted Border Patrol agent, same sort of story.
	He gets overturned on appeal and comes back with a new trial where he's acquitted of the same sort of thing.
	I've been told by Border Patrol agents in this sector here in San Diego that this has a totally chilling effect on their mentality as they go out to enforce the law, thinking that, gosh, if there's some line out here that I cross, that I'm going to be at the, you know, doing federal hard time.
	Well, exactly, Roger.
	You know, the message to Border Patrol agents is don't do your job.
	Go to Starbucks.
	I mean, you know, if they shoot at any fleeing drug dealer or other dangerous criminal coming across the border, it's not the criminal coming across the border that's in trouble.
	It's the Border Patrol that's going to possibly go to jail.
	And this case of Ramos and Campion is shocking.
	I mean, the ballistics, the weapon identification, the slug was taken out of this drug dealer by a medical doctor in an Army hospital in El Paso at government expense.
	And I've got the doctor's report and I've got the ballistics report.
	They did not match the bullet to either weapon that Ramos or Campion had.
	They said it could have come from any of four makes of weapons.
	And this injury he suffered was not a backshot, like Johnny Sutton said.
	It went into the left side of his left buttocks.
	It traversed across his groin and ended up in his right thigh.
	Now, he had to have damage was done to his urethra.
	He had to have a catheter put into him.
	I mean, how did this guy run off the field, another several hundred yards after he got shot like that?
	And all nine of the Border Patrol agents plus Ramos and Campillon, 11 of them, nobody thought this guy got hit.
	I mean, maybe he got a $5 million wound when he got back to Mexico, or they was shot because he lost that 743 pounds of dope that he brought across the border.
	How do we know he was shot by these Border Patrol agents?
	All right.
	Jerry Kersey, we've been talking about David Seip, and his attorney is on the line.
	Is that Jack in McAllen, Texas?
	Go ahead.
	You're on the rush show.
	Yes, it is.
	Jack, go ahead.
	You represented David Seipe?
	Yes, I did.
	What do you think about this case with Ramos and Compillion, if you know about it?
	Well, the only thing I know about it is what I've heard.
	I don't have any first-hand knowledge, but it sounds like the government is up to its same old tricks.
	What do you mean by same old tricks?
	What has the government been doing?
	Well, in my client's case at the first trial, the government basically withheld evidence from the defense.
	It went in there and presented a completely different story than their own investigation showed.
	We had discovered some of it during trial, and then prior to sentencing, we found more.
	We did a motion for a new trial.
	We did several motions for a new trial and several hearings.
	And Judge Ricardo Hinojosa gave, granted, the only motion for a new trial that he's ever granted in 22 years.
	The government appealed it.
	It went to the Fifth Circuit.
	Judge Hinojosa's granting of a new trial was affirmed, and then it was sent back.
	And we picked a jury January 19th and did the trial the next week.
	The jury returned a verdict of not guilty in about an hour.
	The government, even at that time, still kept up with some of its subterfuge.
	They didn't get to do as much of it as they did the first trial.
	Now, David Seip, of course, in the meantime, Jack, David Seip is no longer employed as a border patrol.
	He's lost, I understand, he's lost his family, his house, and everything else.
	That's right.
	He became destitute.
	Right now, he's staying at my house.
	And the illegal aliens involved in this, where are they?
	Well, they might be back in Mexico now.
	They were allowed to stay in the United States.
	One of them, the victim, sued, got $80,000.
	The two other aliens who claimed they were witnesses who could not have seen what they claimed they saw, were given work permits, given Social Security cards, allowed to stay in the United States, travel back and forth to Mexico.
	Government agents would even go down to the river and pick them up and bring them to the U.S. Attorney's Office.
	And in North Carolina, they would pick them up and take them to the airport so they could get their planes.
	And let me tell you what.
	My client had been an agent for three and a half years, had done over 3,000 arrests without an incident.
	4 o'clock in the morning, they come up on a group of illegal aliens.
	He arrests three, takes them back to the van.
	He goes into the brush to go after other ones.
	Three pop up and take off running.
	He's in pursuit.
	He hits the last one on the side of the leg with his five-cell flashlight.
	Alien goes down, comes back up in a fighting stance.
	My client takes him to the ground and is cradling him.
	Two other illegal aliens are hiding in the brush about 10 to 15 feet away from my client.
	The alien on the ground is struggling with my client.
	My client's trying to get in control of the situation before he's ambushed by the other two.
	He doesn't know if anybody's armed or not.
	He tries a pressure point.
	He tries behind his ear with his thumb.
	That doesn't work.
	The alien continues to fight.
	My client, he can't drop his flashlight, can't get a hold of anything else.
	He hits the alien on top of the head with his flashlight.
	The alien continues to fight.
	He hits him again, and then he hits him a third time, and his skin is parted, and he has to get five stitches to clean it up.
	And he's still fighting.
	Yeah.
	Well, he quit after the third hit, he quit fighting.
	The third time.
	All right, now, Jack, I can't go through the whole trial right here because limited time, but I appreciate the call.
	And Jerry Coursey, just that little bit of insight into how the government operates.
	It seems to me, and let me just draw the layman's conclusion.
	It seems to me the Bush administration will do anything, including withhold evidence and all the rest of it, to attempt to put the law enforcement people in jail and give rewards and immunity and green cards and plane flights to people illegally breaking into our country.
	I come to the same conclusion, Roger.
	I agree.
	And now we even have the Department of Homeland Security, their inspector general, admitting yesterday to Congress that they lied.
	They outright lied.
	Reports they told Congress existed on Romlos and Campion proving their guilt were all made up.
	They don't have the reports.
	I've got the original, authentic investigative reports from the Department of Homeland Security, and they don't agree at all with what Johnny Sutton said.
	And there's no transcript in this trial.
	11 months after, the district court still has not even produced a transcript of the trial, if you can believe it, Roger.
	All right, Jerry Coursey, let's get a caller on the other side.
	Jennifer in Mesa, Arizona next.
	Jennifer, welcome to The Rush Show.
	Hi.
	You know, honestly, if what he's saying is true, it seems to me that all the agents and the supervisors who witnessed this should probably be in jail.
	This sounds like a conspiracy and a cover-up to me.
	You don't go around picking up your cartridges when you're not trying to hide something.
	You know, and not filing reports.
	I was.
	All right, what about the cartridges, Jerry Carson?
	It's a good point.
	These guys picked up the cartridges.
	Were they covering up the shooting?
	No, they just looked at the cartridges.
	Nobody was hit.
	It's not a crime to fire your weapon at somebody you think has a gun.
	They looked at the cartridges.
	They kind of threw them down in disgust.
	At best I can figure, there weren't 14 shots figured.
	There were maybe five.
	That's another Department of Homeland Security report.
	The supervisors were right there.
	There were no false reports filed.
	All of the agents on the field thought this was a non-event.
	There was no indication that the drug dealer had been hit by any shots at all.
	He got away to Mexico.
	He was picked up on the other side by a van, and they all believed he had a gun.
	There wasn't any cover-up.
	There was no need.
	And the manuals say that they were right.
	If you fail to even file a verbal report, which you're supposed to do, of a discharge of your firearm, you're not going to get a penalty more than five days' suspension.
	So it isn't a cover-up, and there aren't lies.
	All right, let me take a break.
	Jerry Corsi with us from Washington, D.C.
	And again, Ramos and Compillion, our Border Patrol agents, are in the federal pen 11 and 12 years, respectively, in and among the population of illegals doing the drugs and the smuggling and everything else that they put there.
	We'll be back on the Rush Show after this.
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	All right, Jerry Corsi with us in Washington, D.C., doing a lot of the at WorldNetDaily.com and at WorldNetDaily.com.
	And also doing a lot of the follow-up on this case with Ramos and Compillion and other topics as well.
	Now, we mentioned earlier Duncan Hunter, who's following up on the fact that Ramos was assaulted by these illegals in the prison in Mississippi, in the federal prison, didn't get a lot of medical attention for a long while and didn't get segregated from the general population as would be the case when you're trying to protect an incarcerated law enforcement officer.
	Duncan Hunter joins us now in the news line.
	Congressman, welcome to the show.
	Hey, great to be with you, Roger.
	Tell me, Duncan, what's the latest on trying to get some accountability out of the prison system in protecting these agents?
	Well, Roger, this is pretty outrageous because the night that Ramos and Compillion went into prison, I faxed a letter to the head of the Bureau of Prisons and called him, and his staff assured me they were taking the letter to him, and they did get back the next day.
	And the letter said this.
	It said, I urgently request that you segregate Ramos and Compillion from the general population of the prison to ensure their safety.
	The next day, their staff called us back and said, good news, Ramos and Compillion are segregated from the general population.
	Now, what they didn't tell me is that a couple of days later, they put Ramos back in the general population.
	And predictably, he was beaten up by folks who were criminal aliens, who were yelling, as I understand, Nigra as they assaulted him.
	And that could be expected because about 27% of the population of our federal penitentiaries are criminal aliens, and lots of them are the folks that have been caught by the Border Patrol smuggling people and narcotics across the border.
	So this was all totally predictable.
	I talked to the Bureau of Prisons the day he went in and sent them the letter saying, please keep them apart.
	This wasn't rocket science.
	Please keep them out of the general population.
	They finessed me on this, Roger.
	They sent back a report saying he's out, but they didn't tell me a couple days later when they put him back in.
	And predictably, he got beaten up.
	I think that the administration should investigate it, sent the president a letter to that effect.
	And if he finds that the Bureau of Prison put him back in, knowing that he was going into a general population with lots of criminal aliens, I think that the head of the Bureau of Prisons ought to resign.
	Now, you've also asked the president about a pardon for these two Border Patrol agents.
	Are we getting anywhere on that?
	Well, we've got 77 members of Congress who have co-sponsored this.
	And, of course, this is intended to put pressure on the administration.
	But also, I think we've got a chance, especially with this beating that's taken place, to get lots more members on board.
	I'd like to get 200 members to co-sponsor this, and maybe we can get it up for a vote.
	And according to our lawyers on Capitol Hill, there's a legal question which may allow Congress to give a pardon in the same way that a president gives a pardon.
	Interesting.
	Duncan Hunter with us, Congressman Duncan Hunter.
	Now, Congressman, also, now we've got the situation where it isn't just these two Border Patrol agents.
	There was a shooting yesterday at the San Diego border by a Border Patrol agent.
	Similar situation.
	The smugglers trying to run him over with a U-Haul van.
	They fire some shots.
	We're not told how many.
	We're not told who the Border Patrol agent is.
	We're not told who the one person arrested was.
	We're not told what happened to the four illegals in the van.
	We're not told how many, if anybody was in the van.
	A whole shroud of silence has come down over this incident, which happened yesterday at the San Diego border.
	What do you know about, if anything, about that?
	You know, I don't have the details on that, Roger, but I would say if you use the standard that this U.S. attorney had in Texas, where he said, if you're going the other way, the Border Patrol can't shoot.
	And if the van simply tried to run over the Border Patrol agent and was going the other direction, he may try to bring them up on charges.
	I mean, the standard that he set for Ramos and Campion is a standard I've never seen under the UCMJ for soldiers or Marines.
	And you're in basically a free fire zone there, at least on the Texas border.
	Not quite as wild a situation in the San Diego border because we have the fence.
	But if you use that standard, if the person's not coming straight at you, you can't shoot, then perhaps there will be charges out of this case.
	All right, Duncan Hunter, thanks for being with us, Jerome Corsi as well, and we'll continue to follow.
	And thank you, Mr. Corsi, for following this case for WorldNet Daily.
	Appreciate you being on the Russ Show.
	We're going to take a break.
	I'm Roger Hedgecock, back with more and your calls after this.
	Roger Hedgecock, in for Rush Limbaugh today and tomorrow.
	And we look forward to talking with you tomorrow on these and other topics.
	But this case of the two Border Patrol agents and the other cases brought by Johnny Sutton, the U.S. Attorney down in El Paso, and trying to get after law enforcement and to immunize and reward those people breaking into our country and bringing in drugs.
	It's just an outrage.
	And frankly, I've been talking to a lot of other talk show hosts who cover these issues and around the country.
	You've heard a lot of talk about some of these border issues.
	We are all going to go, as many of us as can, get there to Washington, D.C. Talk Show Nation goes to Washington, D.C.
	It's going to be held April 21st through the 25th.
	We're going to be broadcasting there to say to the Bush administration: look, if we're going to have a dialogue about what to do about 20 million people illegally in our country, what to do about labor needs, what to do about opportunity, what to do about legal immigration, we can have all that dialogue, but we can't have it when it's demonstrably true that the Bush administration, in effect, leaves our border open.
	This is not a secure border, and a secure border is absolutely necessary to any kind of dialogue about how to solve the overall immigration issue and to get us back into being a nation of laws.
	This border is unsecured.
	It's an outrage that the border guards are being blamed and the criminals are going free and getting rewarded.
	It is an outrage that this administration hasn't made border security number one in this, particularly in this war on terror.
	I'm Roger Hitchcock.
	Thanks for listening.

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