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	Good evening, it's Rudy Giuliani, and this is the Rudy Giuliani show, and it is on Lindell TV.
	And, you know, I have to tell you, it's amazing, but as the Trump assassinations get further and further away, right, as they move a little on the spectrum, instead of answering questions, they create more questions.
	Now, I have to tell you, I knew this would happen.
	I might have told you, oh, gosh, from the first moment that the FBI said, on the day after the Butler shooting, having a press conference and being asked, you know, questions about who was the guy, what happened, where did he come from, and the answers were quite, seemed quite reasonable.
	But we haven't had a chance to investigate.
	We haven't had a chance to investigate.
	We haven't had a chance to investigate.
	Didn't sound like they had worked overnight, let's put it that way.
	But that wasn't the big problem.
	The big problem was all of a sudden, there was one very, very difficult thing to investigate, one very, very difficult thing to determine.
	Proving a negative is always the most impossible thing in investigations or in life or in a trial or whatever.
	But miraculously, having been able to figure out nothing else about the case, the FBI was able to be 100% certain about this.
	I think the question was something like: is there any indication of anyone else or any country involved?
	No, no, definitely not.
	Well, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry that was an extraordinarily deceptive answer because they'd have a chance to find out.
	It would take weeks, unless you were extraordinarily lucky with some big break.
	First of all, it would take probably some time to find out if a country was involved.
	To find out that no country was involved, unless the guy were alive and confessing and you believe the confession, you may never figure that out.
	And to this day, there are more open questions than there are closed questions on that score and most every other score.
	The investigation is almost as asinine as the protection afforded to him.
	And if we aren't serious enough about investigating this, I mean, we might as well, we've tossed away so much else about our republic.
	You might as well toss away the fact that our president can live in any degree of safety.
	I handle security after the assassination attempt of Ronald Reagan.
	I arrested Hinckley along with Judge Webster.
	I was in charge of it.
	I helped to arrange the security for the courthouse.
	I reviewed the plan for President Reagan, saw a couple of things in it that could have been done better.
	Probably there's no plan that you can't see a few things that can be done better.
	And from that day on, 1981 until today, I concentrate on security.
	It's just an obsession.
	I don't mean for me, believe it or not.
	I don't know.
	I concentrate on security almost as if I go someplace.
	I look around and I see how secure it is.
	Every day I traveled with the president for maybe 30, 60, 70, 80 straight days when he was running in 2016.
	I had to keep pretty focused on the politics and the speech writing and the organization and the debates between the people in between and trying to.
	My job was really to make that all run smoothly.
	But I still would look around and sometimes interfere in my.
	My security guy, Bo, would say, Mayor, they're going to really hate you.
	You interfere so much.
	So Bo said, let me be the guy to interfere a little.
	So I'd say, Bo, I don't know.
	I don't like the idea that it's only got one guy.
	You can't get two, three guys there.
	Or what about we fake him out a little on when Trump is coming out if we're suspicious?
	Don't they ever do that?
	That's what we used to do.
	I mean, I'd make believe I'm introducing Reagan.
	This happened.
	Not me, but a theme that I helped to develop.
	Make believe we're introducing Reagan.
	If we have suspicions, we bring somebody else out.
	Oh, gee, how funny is that?
	You know, somebody would say, Pop Hope or someone would say, oh, look, look who it is.
	It's Yoco Pogle who's out here to speak.
	You don't do it all the time.
	You do it occasionally.
	You know, you're intended to drive, you're intended to drive west to the airport.
	The airport is direct west.
	So instead, you go east as if you're going to a different airport and then you double around back.
	I mean, these are what I'm telling you are basic things you were in Security 101.
	Everything about Butler was wrong.
	Everything.
	Not a single thing they did right.
	I am not certain, but I am extremely suspicious from things I read that not every one of those people was Secret Service agents.
	I think they took off a lot of his Secret Service detail.
	They moved it over to take care of the first stepmother who was making some kind of a useless speech on something or other, something she knows nothing about, which is, you know, like being a loving stepmother or whatever, because she tortures Navy, the kid Navy.
	And then I think it didn't even take place.
	But at any event, they gave it the better of the detail.
	Not that he had the best detail to start with.
	And here they are in a place.
	And now we find out, I'm going to tell you the sum and substance of all the disclosures that you've had in the last two days and Miranda Devine's excellent column and podcast.
	They should have had every reason to think that that place was a suspicious venue and that anything within 100 miles of this guy was a suspicious venue because he had given them five years of notice that he was an assassin.
	And they either saw it and reduced the security in that area because there was a suspicious, they knew a suspicious guy was around.
	Yeah, possibility.
	Or and fucked it up, screwed it up, or they didn't know because they didn't care.
	He had a history.
	I'm talking about Thomas Crookes now, of being until about five or six years earlier, a zealot Trump fan to the point where he was putting out on six or seven social media posts,
	all of which are checked by the FBI, all of which the FBI has used again, has found almost innocuous things about conservatives and ruined their lives over it.
	And he was putting down that you should kill everybody at that point against Trump.
	And then he switched around COVID time.
	He did a total flip round.
	He became maniacally anti-Trump.
	And then he started talking about doing assassinations.
	Actually talked about doing assassinations.
	He certainly had an obsession with assassinating a public official that ultimately focused in on Donald J. Trump.
	That information was not guesswork.
	It was contained on some of the most prominent websites in America.
	And it was all over YouTube, Snapchat, PayPal, Discord, chess.com, Quora, and TV and Art.
	And if the FBI isn't reading Discord, even back then, they just don't give a damn if you get killed.
	Or YouTube.
	And having search words like assassination, you picked him up.
	How about more than a third of the tweet, podcast, whatever devoted to violence against public officials?
	You can do a search for that.
	He would have come up right up here.
	If they put that in, like he's going to that area, give me the people who obsessively, obsessively tweet, communicate, go online talking about assassination.
	Along comes Thomas Crooks.
	And then you find out that Thomas Crooks, like similar to the guy, the pervert who killed, who killed our friend Charlie, was a furry.
	Now, I have to tell you, until the Charlie thing, that horrible thing with Charlie, I didn't know what a furry was.
	We all should have known what a furry was back before that, because a furry is the one who killed the police officer and wounded the two other people at Butler County and came this close to eliminating the Republican candidate for mayor.
	In fact, he seems to me he was even a more, I don't know, I can't say.
	I can't compare how devoted furries are.
	Was he a devoted furry or not so devoted furry or just any old furry?
	But now, what are furries?
	Well, Miranda describes furries very simply as people who like the fur of animals and normally it works itself into thinking they're animals and having all kinds of sexual perversions as a result of that.
	And it sure looked like he was in that category.
	He also seemed to have problems with pronouns, they, them, he referred to himself as.
	He had pictures looking at very, very muscular men and probably a lot of worse pictures than the ones they displayed to us.
	Now, the point that I'm making is, number one, none of that appears to be picked up.
	If it was, then we got another count in the perjury case that's got to be coming against the against the director of the FBI that succeeded.
	It would be interesting to have perjury cases against two of the FBI directors in a row.
	And it would be appropriate because they ruined the FBI.
	They were liars.
	They were cheats.
	They were criminals.
	And he testified, he testified under oath that there was no disturbing deputy situation except being anti-Semitic and angry.
	It's a lot more specific than that.
	It was specific anger at Trump.
	It was specific anger at the Trump administration.
	It showed a very, very disturbing pattern of sexual perversion, of gender dysmorphia.
	All things that would be alarms that would go off in any reasonable profile or whatever you want to call it, or formula that you would have to set off an alarm to warn about danger to the most sought after man to kill in the world, Donald J. Trump at that time.
	I mean, it wasn't as if this was, if we're talking about Charlie, Charlie was at a level of risk where he should have had something very similar, but it's very different.
	I mean, how many people would have predicted Charlie's death?
	Not many.
	And those who would would have predicted it a bit as a way out thing.
	Like I always felt Charlie was in danger in the colleges that he went to, because I thought Charlie, and who would think that a college was that way except me knowing how the crooked media, the Democrats and everyone else hide the essential nature of an American, certainly Eastern and now Western universities.
	They are horrible places.
	They are overwhelmed with Jewish hatred.
	They're overwhelmed with anti-American hatred.
	They're overwhelmed with destroying the classical education that served our civilization well for about a thousand years.
	They are overwhelmed with insane ideas, enormous, ridiculous, perverted concentration on gender.
	So you have to watch them carefully.
	Violence is going to emerge from them.
	How many people now have we had do these horrible shootings that were fooling around with who were confused about gender?
	How many?
	And fooling around with very, very volatile stuff, like furry stuff.
	Does it become a thing you put down on a profile?
	Oh my goodness, they're being presented in the gun room.
	No, no.
	First of all, I feel sorry for them because I think an awful lot of them would end up leading much better lives if they weren't exploited by the left wing.
	The people who want to make money with them and the people who want to destroy the morality of our civilization based on the teachings of Karl Marx.
	I think they'd be much better off if they were not exploited and basically allowed to be what they are.
	There was an excellent analysis by a gay man in Sunday's New York Post saying that his view is they are now really adopting in America the Islamic practice of destroying gays.
	He says in Iran, if you're gay, well, let's be brutal.
	They chop it off.
	In America, if you're, let's say you're a youngster, and let's say you display somewhat effeminate characteristics.
	There are a couple of possibilities there.
	The least likely being you want to be a girl.
	Possibility number one is you're going through a phase and it's going to go away.
	That's the biggest, by the way.
	Second possibility is you're homosexual.
	Homosexual and transgender are two different things.
	You go talk to a balanced, sensible homosexual, and they are as opposed to what we're talking about as you are, maybe more.
	Because they're the targets, right?
	They're the easy targets.
	I'm sure with the amount of money involved here, they take people that don't display effeminate characteristics and get them all chopped up because you can make 400,000 on this.
	And let's face it, that's the biggest corruptor of all.
	It even beats Marxism.
	So this guy had all this in his background.
	This is this is when he was a Trump guy.
	This note online.
	Tell me how this doesn't flag.
	I always believed that being patriotic was lining up a bunch of socialist Jews, like the ones that booed Trump and blasting their useless brains out with an AR.
	This is the guy they knew nothing about.
	And still, this information about him had to be dragged out.
	They were never going to give us this.
	How much haven't they really given us about Kennedy and Martin Luther King?
	Yeah, sure, they produced the whole file, but I don't know, is a third of the file destroyed 40 years ago?
	What do you think, Ted?
	What do you think the odds are on that?
	Well, because we'll never prove it.
	But what do you think the odds are?
	Maybe you can prove it.
	You'll see big gaps where something should have been there.
	Like they did to me with the.
	Yeah, that's how we that's how we found out that either Rauschenberg or the Bar Association doctored my tape.
	Right.
	Big time to falsify it, for which they are rewarded.
	And I get this part.
	Seem wrong to you that I should get that the case should even proceed once I discovered that they did about a 30 to 35 minute editing of the tape and cut out the parts of the most disturbing and incriminating.
	for them and they never asked by the judge to give an explanation.
	Or had the judge asked for an explanation, she would never get another job judging cases again, because they paid her per case and, of course, the Democratic uh district leader would have total control over that.
	You just take her out of the, out of the pool, and and the woman might have to work for a living and not be a judge.
	But then in 2020, this guy made a big turn and then he started doing things like, i'm pretty sure people are just racist and Trump is one of them.
	There doesn't need to be a deep state for that.
	And then then then the the the, the um, the anger and the same degree of hatred and desire to kill, turn to Trump and then he's caught on 2023 uh, a year before the shooting on Deviant art and that.
	And on Deviant art, I have pictures.
	I'm not going to show you these pictures.
	I don't think so.
	I really don't think so.
	You can see him in the post if you want.
	Even the post, I think, has balked a couple of them.
	I think it's very important that i'm not one of these people who agrees that when these shootings take place, don't have any attention for because he'll cut it down, because they want attention.
	Wrong uh, this guy, I don't think, did it for attention.
	I don't see anything in his background.
	He did it because uh, he hated the people who he believed opposed him and he was extremely disturbed and extremely perverted and he was part of a movement, a perverted movement, that now has justified killing the people who opposed him.
	There just been too many killings by people who are going through uh, either transgender or going through the transgender um uh, manipulation that goes on in this country, and it may very well be that the Communist Party, in introducing it in America on such a large scale, understood that an offshoot of it would be significant amount of violence.
	The offshoot of it is a significant, significant amount of homicide, of suicide, much more in the person who changes than the person who resists.
	Because most of the people that have confusion about gender, most of the people before they started with their uh Satanic uh, uh temptations and other things, uh remain in the gender that they're in and many of the people that change regret it and the balance of suicide, like they'll say to you if your kid doesn't Change, he's going to commit suicide.
	Well, the odds are greater that if a kid does change, he's going to commit suicide.
	But they don't tell you that because they're dishonest, Marxist creeps.
	And they're either trying to spread a dysmorphia in the society so they can take it over, or they're trying to make big bucks, or both, or both.
	You know, the idea that communists aren't very rich is ridiculous.
	The richest people in the country are the top communists.
	It's a con job that has sold, that has sold our left-wing Ivy League universities, which is why don't send your kids there.
	They're stupid.
	They come out stupid.
	They come out so stupid, they can't even reason anymore.
	I mean, Charlie would demonstrate that all the time going to those universities.
	Charlie never graduated from a college, and he could conduct Aristotelian logic.
	I don't even think they can spell Aristotle.
	You don't have to spell anymore.
	You can go online to spell.
	Adding, he should have done a couple of adding experiments with them.
	How about just simple multiplication?
	A lot of these colleges have to start with remedial courses to make up for kids that are back at sixth and seventh grade English and math.
	It's that.
	So that's what he was fighting.
	And that's really why, to a very, very large extent, he was killed.
	I mean, it's really terrible when you think about it.
	Absolutely terrible.
	Well, we're going to take a short break and we'll be right back.
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	Welcome back to the Rudy Giuliani Show.
	I mentioned to you, I found the ones that are appropriate.
	I think we can look at.
	These here, cartoons, whatever you want to call them, were on Crook's website, which was a bit hidden behind three others less than a year before he attempted to murder President Trump.
	If this didn't call attention by the FBI and the Secret Service, then they don't protect the president.
	That's one of them right there.
	That's called a killing pedo.
	Killing pedos is the title.
	Killing pedophiles?
	I don't know, but deviantart.com.
	Now we'll see another one.
	Killing pedos published, well, that's the one above.
	How he lost his eye.
	There's another one with the blood coming out the back.
	Looks a little never mind.
	There's another one.
	We didn't know anything.
	We didn't know this until a couple days ago.
	I don't know.
	Give me maybe a little help on a little profile that you can have.
	And maybe you'd have prevented Charlie Kirk's murder.
	Huh?
	It was awful close to the profile of the guy who shot Charlie Kirk.
	He was all over the Don internet, and you didn't bother to find that either.
	Now, I mean, Charlie wasn't the president, but you start seeing stuff like this, and you don't take a look at the guy.
	What do they have to do?
	Put out a thing, I'm going to go kill Trump.
	Well, I mean, in essence, you let that happen on January 5th of 2002.
	And I'm the only one who knows that because nobody will pay attention to it.
	You let That Sullivan guy sent out several days before an email asking people to come and take Trump out.
	And then he got up and gave a speech about taking Trump out.
	Now, you say, well, you interpreted that as taking him out of the election.
	You have no right to interpret it that way.
	Look, I know about this statute.
	I enforced it probably a hell of a lot more than you ever did.
	Every ambiguity is resolved in favor of the worst case scenario.
	Doesn't that make sense if you want to prevent murder?
	You see these, this is, and this is only a bear.
	You see this where you go back on him and you see he's writing about assassinating people, killing people, eliminating people.
	First, he's for Trump.
	Now he wants to get rid of him.
	And you don't make a visit to the house?
	That's what that was the obsessive procedure that we followed from the day that Donald Trump was almost killed until the day I left the Justice Department on January of 19, January of 1989.
	I did so many of them, and there were times in which you knew that they were not serious, but you also knew that one out of 10, one out of 100 non-serious was going to lead to the death of the president or some important person or any person.
	So you followed it up.
	What were you there for?
	What the hell else are they doing?
	Having parties?
	Secret Service having parties all over the place, right?
	How many times have they been caught having parties?
	I think that has most of it.
	There's the ultimate shot, which is the ultimate condemnation of their security.
	If you take a look at it, look in the red circle.
	That's the guy that was for five years predicting he was going to do that.
	That was the guy that when Trump came into this area, even though he was proximate to this area, would have been, should have been on a list of suspects.
	He sure wasn't.
	And therefore found it rather easy to kill Trump.
	Deliberate negligence?
	Did they know about him?
	Is that why they didn't protect?
	Wouldn't you, just look at that.
	Wouldn't that be the first place you protect where that guy is?
	Look at the line of sight.
	Right.
	Well, let's hope.
	And I'm going to have to say this much as I don't want to.
	Ron Johnson and the people investigating this, including the great Miranda Devine, have not found the receptiveness and responsiveness of the present FBI much better than the old FBI.
	Cash, you're my friend.
	I love you.
	Put it out.
	There's no national security bullshit about this.
	The national security bullshit is if we don't lay out the reasons why they tried to kill Donald J. Trump.
	Kara's ready.
	Okay.
	So let's go to.
	Kara is ready.
	Kara's ready?
	Kara's ready.
	All right.
	We always love to see Kara.
	Kara, there she is.
	Hi, Mr. Mayor.
	How are you tonight?
	What's going on?
	Well, right now, there's a dinner, a big dinner.
	President Trump is hosting the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia.
	So that's happening.
	Elon Musk is allegedly there.
	I haven't seen him, but he was on the guest list.
	So it's a magnificent dinner.
	Actually, the press that was invited are required to wear tuxedos and ball gowns, which has never really happened in the time that I've been here for these dinners.
	But the president, I think, really just trying to reciprocate the red carpet that was rolled out for him when he went to Saudi Arabia, as reflected today in the spectacular.
	What press was it?
	The normal White House press, like from NBC, the normal right, normal White House press pool.
	Definitely ABC is in there.
	I'll share a clip with you shortly of that question.
	That ABC reporter asked President Trump today.
	What was that?
	All the ones who hate him.
	Basically, they get rewarded.
	I should be in there.
	But, you know, I was actually at the dinner on the list for the one last week with the business owners, but it wasn't as big a deal as this one, which is obviously a larger deal because it is such a big event for the president inviting the Saudi Arabian Crown Prince here and all the money that this prince has said he's going to invest in the United States economy.
	It is so here.
	Here's a clip I wanted to show you, and I'm sure you saw the flyover earlier today.
	It was pretty cool to be able here to see it, to witness it on the south lawn.
	Take a look, President.
	And today and tomorrow, we're going to announce that we are going to increase that $600 billion to almost $1 trillion for investment, real investment, and real opportunity by details in many areas.
	And the agreement that we are signing today in many areas in technology, AI, and materials, magnets, et cetera, that will create a lot of investment opportunities.
	So you are doing that now.
	You're saying to me now that the $600 billion will be $1 trillion.
	Definitely, because what we are signing, it will facilitate that.
	And we like that.
	You worked hard to protect.
	No, that's great.
	I appreciate that.
	That's great.
	It's so that was actually President Trump that was in the Oval Office earlier today talking about the $600 billion, now $1 trillion investment that Saudi Arabia will be making.
	So that was big news today.
	The president was happy about that.
	They also talked, Mr. Mayor, about the Abraham Accords.
	President Trump obviously knows it's on his agenda to make world peace, and the Abraham Accords really is important to him.
	So here is President Trump talking about the Abraham Accords with the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia.
	I don't want to use the word commitment, but we've had a very good talk on the Abraham Accords.
	We talked about one state, two state.
	You know, we talked about a lot of things in a short period of time.
	We'll be discussing it further too.
	But I think you have a very good feeling toward the Abraham Accords.
	Yes, definitely, Mr. President.
	We want peace for the Israelis.
	We want peace for the Palestinians.
	We want them to coexist peacefully in the region.
	And we will do our best to reach that day.
	He's moving him toward it, Kara.
	He's moving him toward it in the only way that he can.
	And you have to.
	It's a very difficult problem for that guy because there's a real risk that if he agrees to it, the street of Saudi Arabia will take him out.
	That's not Israel.
	No, the population is 70% against it.
	Even the moderate population is against it.
	So it's a difficult dance and a difficult maneuver.
	But if they come along, you're basically going to have like a complete change in the Middle East.
	100%.
	And then President Trump also, and you'll find this question, I think, and I would love to get your take on it.
	This was an ABC reporter today who said it was an insult, I guess, to people, families from 9-11 to have the Saudi Arabian Crown Prince here in the White House.
	President Trump was offended by it.
	Take a watch.
	Is it appropriate, Mr. President, for your family to be doing business in Saudi Arabia while you're president?
	Is that a conflict of interest?
	And Your Royal Highness, the U.S. intelligence concluded that you orchestrated the brutal murder of a journalist.
	9-11 families are furious that you are here in the Oval Office.
	Why should Americans know?
	Who are you with?
	And the same to you, Mr. President.
	Who are you with?
	I'm with ABC News, sir.
	You're with who?
	ABC News, sir.
	Fake news.
	ABC fake news.
	One of the worst.
	One of the worst in the business.
	But I'll answer your question.
	I have nothing to do with the family business.
	I have left, and when I've devoted 100% of my energy, what my family does is fine.
	They do business all over.
	They've done very little with Saudi Arabia, actually.
	I'm sure they could do a lot.
	And anything they've done has been very good.
	That's what we've done.
	We've built a tremendous business for a long time.
	I've been very successful.
	I decided to leave that success behind and make America very successful.
	And I've made America more successful by far than it ever was.
	And that it ever could have been, no matter who was president, there would be nobody bringing in $21 trillion.
	That I can tell you.
	I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
	I thought the question was just going to be about 9-11.
	Well, he did go on, and he did go on about that, and it got cut off, unfortunately.
	But he did go on to address that question.
	And he basically said, Why are you insulting our guest?
	He didn't know about that journalist being killed.
	I mean, I don't know what the answer is there, but that journalist being killed if the Crown Prince knew about it.
	U.S. intelligence said that he did, but President Trump said he didn't.
	So he was sort of offended, I guess, that the journalist asked that question when he viewed the Crown Prince as a guest that he's trying to do business with.
	But you saw the expression on his face.
	I can straighten those facts out pretty carefully.
	He was too far out of the mainstream of the government.
	I'm talking about the Crown Prince, to have anything to do with that decision, if there was such a decision.
	So he's not someone that you would attribute that to under any set of circumstances, nor is there any credible intelligence report that he was.
	Second, the involvement of the Saudi Arabian government was, if there was involvement, is because they were funding these groups to pay them off, not to overtake them.
	They weren't funding them for specific projects.
	That's wrong.
	But if there is Saudi Arabian money involved, I don't know that there is.
	But if there is, it would have been involved as the general funding, even for bin Laden, who they hated.
	They hated bin Laden.
	Bin Laden wanted to overthrow them.
	He wanted to overthrow the royal family.
	I mean, finally, I'm the one who gave $10,000 back to one of his family members and told him to go to hell.
	Do you know who eventually put that guy in jail for being a crook?
	That same guy was put in jail for being a crook when Mohammed bin Salman took over, the guy that I gave the money back to.
	And there's nobody that feels more strongly about it than I do.
	But now we're way beyond that.
	It's a new government.
	The new government is attempting very, very hard to bring peace to the Middle East.
	He has made very, very strong, sincere efforts at peace.
	We got to give it a try.
	We got to give it a try.
	The families can still pursue their legal case.
	I support them in recovering the money.
	But I don't think you're going to assign blame to him.
	He was a kid at the time.
	The blame to the Saudi Arabian government is more In the background, supporting these people because they wanted to overthrow them, not the Saudi Arabian government to come up with a plan to bomb us.
	As far as they're concerned, the best thing we ever did was kill bin Laden.
	He was an enemy of the royal family.
	So I know how their families feel.
	I know how emotional they are about it.
	I share that emotion with them.
	I also know America has to go on.
	If we want to survive, we're going to have to solve this Middle East thing and many other problems in the world.
	Otherwise, we're not going to have an America.
	And therefore, you've got to be open to listening to everybody and not just being driven by the loudest voices of the biggest emotion.
	And I think the president, if the president can get this guy to do the Abraham Accords, you're going to see things change for my children, everybody's children, dramatically.
	It's a big thing.
	He knows it.
	He knows all the competing things.
	He helped New York a lot on 9-11.
	He was broken by it when it happened.
	Anything else?
	I mean, that's it.
	The Crown Prince will be here tomorrow as well.
	There's an event over at the Kennedy Center.
	So a lot of deal making going on, I'm sure, behind the doors.
	I'll let you know if Elon Musk actually attended the dinner tonight.
	I'm not in the room.
	I know he was on the invite list.
	So maybe there will be a reconciliation, President Trump and Elon Musk.
	Maybe we'll see little X here on the White House lawn again, like I did when I was here at the White House at the very beginning.
	It was kind of charming to see that.
	So that would be pretty cool, Mr. Mayor.
	And we would love to see you here too, whenever you're in town.
	So let us know.
	You would definitely be a fun addition.
	Hopefully within the next month.
	Okay, great.
	But I think we're looking forward to it.
	It really would be wonderful to see Elon back.
	We need all those brains working for America.
	We need the brains of the cash.
	Yeah, of course.
	And congratulations, by the way, and your pardon.
	I didn't get to tell you that.
	Very happy to hear it.
	Thank you.
	I don't see anything.
	But thank you.
	All those other poor people that, I mean, I've been able to 100 different ways.
	Right.
	But nobody deserves it more than you.
	I thanked him for it.
	You know, I really thanked him for me and for everyone else.
	And great coverage.
	Thank you, dear.
	Great coverage.
	Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
	Have a good night.
	How this comes out is enormously important to the future of peace in the world and the feelings of the September 11 families I share.
	But I also am somewhat better aware of the complexities in the history in the Middle East and of Saudi Arabia.
	Don't make a mistake, I'm not a fan of Saudi Arabia.
	I have specifically turned down doing business with Saudi Arabia beyond the 10 million.
	But I also understand that to say that they were directly involved in 9-11, if they were involved at all, is an oversimplification of a very, very complex set of things that happened in which, in their own way, they were fighting terrorism against themselves.
	And maybe they went too far and weren't careful enough in who they funded.
	But this wasn't a deliberate decision, at least that I have seen any evidence of, by the Saudi Arabian government to provoke, to have, to support, or to give money to an attack.
	If money was given, it was given to buy them off from leaving Saudi Arabia along.
	And the money was used in part for that.
	I mean, a lot less direct than what Obama did with the IATO when he just gave him straight out cash so he could give it to terrorists who were killing Americans.
	So you want to go after this guy.
	I mean, the first guy should be prosecuted is Obama.
	He was doing business with terrorists much more directly than this guy was.
	And probably, he wasn't even much in the government at the time.
	If those decisions were made by other people, the government has turned around.
	The government is a force right now, if correctly manipulated to help us avoid another September 11.
	Government's complicated.
	It's not simple, simple, simple.
	Or, you know, something, government's not complicated.
	Human behavior is complicated.
	If you're going to be a successful leader, diplomat, warrior, you have to be able to think in a complex way.
	If you think in a black and white way, inevitably, you're going to bang your head up against a wall and create a concussion and die.
	So he's balancing all kinds of things like, I think I was right.
	63% of Saudis oppose him joining the Abraham Accords.
	And he's, as far as I can tell, of course, again, you can be reading the T Lee's wrong, right?
	But as far as I can tell, he was ready to do it before the October 7 attack.
	In fact, a lot of people believe that Iran provoked that attack to break that momentum up.
	He was ready to do it then.
	It gets a little more complicated now because of all of the false allegations against Israel and genocide.
	But he'll do it.
	May I please address myself to Israel and genocide, which was asserted by the Tucker Carlson interview of Nick Fuentes, as if it is just accepted that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people.
	They know that's a lie.
	And I'm including Tucker in that, who I had considered and do consider, I guess, a friend.
	And I am enormously disappointed in him.
	I don't know if it's laziness.
	He gives the impression of being highly intelligent and studious.
	He probably isn't.
	I can't tell you how many misstatements of historical fact were made, which he didn't correct or follow up on.
	One of them is that the Israelis want to kill all the people of Palestine, which means the Palestinians.
	And the aim of the Israelis is to eliminate Hamas.
	Why?
	Because since Hamas was established out of the Muslim Brotherhood 50 years ago, there is one main vow that they've taken and thing they've attempted to do.
	And that is to eliminate the state of Israel.
	And it's gone way beyond just a boasting promise, like the Nazis began with a boasting promise, but it's gotten into the stage of they're executing that plan,
	Killing untold numbers of Jewish people, Americans and others, refusing to back down on that pledge no matter what and specifically training their children in grammar school both in the ideology of killing Jews and Americans and then in how to do it.
	So this would be like saying that America uh participated in genocide, uh by uh and and Britain by trying to wipe out the Nazi people and equating the Nazi people with the all Germans.
	Well, of course we had to wipe out the Nazis.
	The Nazis were a threat to the entire western world, they had captured it all and they were holding him in tremendous conditions of uh servitude, despite the wonderful feelings that Nick Fuentes has about them and uh Tucker Carlson's failure to confront him on the many outrageous statements that he Fuentes has made about liking Hitler.
	During the course of the interview, Fuentes even said, I like Stalin out of nowhere.
	Tucker Carlson's face looks a little surprised, but not necessarily disagreeing.
	I don't know.
	Maybe Tucker likes Stalin.
	He said, we'll circle back to that.
	They circled back to a 20 to 30 minute women's discussion.
	Tucker was giving Fuentes advice on the fact that he should be married, apologized for calling Fuentes gay at some point, just because he was unmarried, and then told him Tucker's view of women, which is somewhat more generous than Fuente's view of women, which I will just describe and you'll have to listen to yourself as he hates them.
	They're inferior, particularly the modern women.
	They're all unattractive.
	They're too pushy.
	They're self-indulgent.
	They're self-entitled.
	When Tucker said to him that marriage is wonderful and marriage is really good and your wife becomes your best friend, he said, no, no, no, no.
	Your wife is not your best friend.
	Your best friend is a peer.
	Your wife is a subordinate.
	Where does that go back to?
	I mean, I'm the furthest thing from a feminist, the way they define it now.
	I'm even a furthest thing from a feminist like Jane Fonda.
	Because I don't think there should be any special anything for women or men.
	But we had to make a correction to get to that point.
	I mean, I would like to ask him, do you think women shouldn't be allowed to vote?
	You listen to the tenor of this last 20 minutes of probably the most almost anti-civilization attack on women.
	I don't know why this guy opposes Islam.
	I mean, he hates women as much as they do.
	He didn't say any about stoning them, thank God.
	But we'll go into that in greater detail in the next show when you go to X and pick us up.
	Who do we have as a guest there?
	Well, we have the great Alan Dershowitz, who we've had before, I believe.
	I want to say a long time ago.
	Yes, yeah.
	And then we have Waleed Ferris, and I believe it is his debut appearance on Walid will discuss the situation, the situation going on with Saudi Arabia, which is going to continue into tomorrow and is a very, very serious attempt to see if we can solve this problem.
	And we'll talk to Alan, well, about anything he wants to talk about, but he has some very strong views on this interview.
	And I am going to do my next podcast on it.
	And therefore, we'll ask him some questions about it because the problem of Nick Fuentes goes much deeper than some kind of problem within the mega movement or the Republican movement.
	He's a problem for the United States of America and for what we stand for.
	And his views are not just debatable, contrary views.
	I spent a great deal of time watching him over the weekend.
	This is an evil human being.
	And what he is spouting and these young people are following is extraordinarily dangerous.
	So there's no overreaction to him.
	I don't think he should necessarily be.
	I don't know what banning means.
	I do know that I get to select who comes on my show.
	And I have no, there's no, there's no right to come on my show.
	I put on people that I disagree with.
	I put on people I agree with, but I don't put on people who are evil.
	And there's a difference.
	If I stopped him from speaking in the street, if I stopped him from stating his views, that would be a violation of the First Amendment.
	But I get my own First Amendment and I get a choice to say what I want to say or what I illustrate through gas.
	I'm not forced to have to have him talk because he says outrageous, horrible things that can lead to the death of people.
	So we'll see if we can get a better explanation of the First Amendment because something like 60% of our kids, educated kids that come out of educations their parents, you know, paid more than they make in their lifetime for, don't understand the First Amendment.
	Well, thank you very much.
	God bless America.

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