Rudy Giuliani - America's Mayor Live (757): Charlie Kirk Shooting Suspect Charged with Murder, Faces Death Penalty

Sept. 16, 2025 - Rudy Giuliani

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America's Mayor Live (757): Charlie Kirk Shooting Suspect Charged with Murder, Faces Death Penalty

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	Good evening.
	This is Werty Giuliani, and this is America's mayor live.
	Live from Dover, New Hampshire.
	And live at a very, I think we all realize that we're going through a very, very sensitive and difficult time in American history.
	The murder that we witnessed as a nation last week is not just another murder.
	I'm not saying that Charlie Kirk's life is worth more than oh my goodness, all those young children that are killed every week in Chicago, even though of his contributions and whatever.
	I'm just saying that uh we're not in control completely of how the things that happen in our world uh are affected, what they mean, how they develop.
	They don't develop necessarily uh proportionally, they don't develop based on any DEI uh formula, they don't develop on any conservative formula.
	Uh sometimes uh their development is um predictable and sometimes it's not the I have the the distinct feeling, and I don't I don't I don't um uh uh I don't give in to this feeling too often that this is a um this is a turning point to um
	I guess pick up on their description.
	Someone I think used the word hinge moment in order to avoid turning point.
	But I think we're making a mistake by avoiding turning point because I don't know what hinge means.
	I know what turning point means.
	It means you're turning in a different direction.
	Here's the difficulty.
	I'm not sure which direction gonna turn in and neither are you everything about me from the time I was a child, which I've been probably gone through lots of different developments and lots of good times and bad times and lots of really productive times and probably some pretty destructive times, who knows.
	But I've always been essentially an optimist, and I always just deep down inside believe things are going to turn out right.
	Am I correct?
	Isn't that true?
	Isn't there any certainty in the world that we live in that things are going to turn out right?
	And even if you are a um religious person and a spiritual person, and you believe that in the all in the long run things are going to turn out right by the grace of God, that doesn't mean they're gonna turn out right now.
	Because God leaves us on our own.
	I think the the thing that you have to understand if you are a person of faith, which does leave you in a um in one step beyond the absolutely rational world, right?
	The leap of faith, is that you can't predict the outcome of any group of even significant human events.
	You can predict the eventual outcome.
	And God is going to bring this all together.
	But not now.
	Presumably not soon.
	So how this works out has nothing to do with the ultimate last judgment and faith in a God that will bring us through everything.
	So we have to analyze this based on the on the on the talents we have and the tools that we have of our own understanding, which is short of the understanding of everything that's going on in the universe around us.
	And if you think you understand everything going on around the universe that surrounds us, then go be a communist.
	Just then you're Karl Marx, and then you're Satan.
	And then you think you know more than God, which is the core of their uh evil, and it's the core of why they are destroying us, but that's a different subject.
	So the question is, how are we gonna come out of this uh traumatic with a capital letter event?
	Are we gonna come out of this um bitter?
	Are we gonna come out of this?
	Oh, like the way that Emmy Award-winning uh uh uh I don't even know why I I mean I didn't even know who she was.
	I understand she's the daughter of somebody who was on uh Saturday Night Live, who probably is only where she is because she's the daughter of somebody on Saturday Night Live, and she got an Emmy Award for some performance that I never heard of, nor do I want to hear of, nor do I want to repeat.
	And she goes ahead and she makes statements in favor of one of the most brutal, vicious, animalistic terrorist groups in the world that not only I believe she's Jewish, that not only hate her own people as a Jew,
	but hate her own people as an American, if she's an American, and she goes ahead and she uses an Emmy award for her completely useless performance and a completely useless, I don't know why.
	Because if she really thinks everybody knows about this, she's uh uh uh just an absolutely silly product of some former Saturday night live star who I don't remember.
	Now, here's the here's the here's the irony of this, nor would her limited intellect allow her to analyze this.
	When they replayed this on uh Hamas television, or uh Muslim television, uh they uh they showed her pro-Palestinian pin.
	Um but then they covered up her uh they cover you notice her arms are showing.
	Uh I don't know why they had to cover up, she has no breasts, but um they covered all that up.
	That's the uh uh that's the traitor to the to her Jewish background right there.
	There she is, stupid woman.
	Look at those other stupid women.
	Look at those other stupid idiots uh laughing.
	Uh yeah, I'd like to hear.
	I'd like to hear here.
	Um I'll pay the difference.
	Sorry.
	Um, I just want to say, I just want to say finally, um, go birds, um and free Palestine.
	Thank you.
	Um and free Palestine, thank you.
	So they actually edit the part where she says, F ice.
	Thank you.
	What does she say?
	And free palestine.
	Oh, get her off, get her off.
	We've seen her enough.
	She looks like uh a complete Hollywood nitwit.
	Do you have the picture of her with where on uh on her television, which is the Muslim television done under the auspices of the Prophet Muhammad, they cover her up because as the uh press points out, she's basically to them a whore.
	I mean, being dressed like that, they they could kill her.
	Right.
	She's a uh she's an immoral woman.
	Uh easily under uh Sharia law, we could easily subject her to Stony.
	You think that half-wit jackass moron has the slightest idea of that?
	Right.
	I don't.
	Shall we show her covered up?
	Yeah, we're gonna show that.
	This is now here's why I find it really strange that they're covering up.
	I mean, I'm I'm a Western male of Italian extraction.
	There was nothing to see.
	I mean, it's not as if we're looking at Sophia Laurent here.
	So what we I mean, we got we got uh that could have been a male basketball player for what I see from up and down, and they're all worried about that?
	They're gonna cover that up.
	I mean, these guys get a little crazy, Ted.
	So, well, well, what we're gonna show is this is you know, Hamas outlet.
	This is what Hamas considers you're not supposed to see.
	Now, this is a woman without a apparently prominent breast.
	Look at that.
	And the other one, the other one, I don't know who who is that one on the right looking at her breasts.
	I recognize her.
	Who is she?
	What does she have?
	An interest in women's breasts?
	But you're right, Mayor on Do you think they're all perverts?
	I probably that's an overstatement.
	Well, a vast majority of them are definitely out of touch with the rest of us.
	Well, I mean, I they do like limit and reduce the amount of time for pedophilia in Florida.
	But wouldn't she the the the cognitive dissonance?
	That's a word we've been hearing a lot of recently.
	But birds out her sinful behavior.
	Whoops, sorry.
	Her sinful dress, I guess.
	Well, I don't know.
	We're gonna do some research on this and find out if she goes to uh Palestine, would she be subjected to uh stony?
	And would the woman next to her uh be considered uh lascivious?
	Yeah, look, I mean her eyes are clearly now they could be looking down because there was no indication of breasts, so she could be looking down saying, what are they all upset about?
	I mean, there's nothing to cover here, right?
	Right.
	Uh, but it is amazing.
	I wonder what she's to hell with them.
	The hell with them.
	Does she not get it?
	Aren't we finished with them?
	They're getting people killed.
	Hamas.
	I don't, I'm not even gonna go into it.
	I'm not even gonna talk about it.
	If you don't understand what is absolutely catastrophic and dangerous about Hamas, go watch some other show.
	I haven't done my job.
	I I don't get how the the I do think that increasingly or decreasingly, they are setting the tone for what people think.
	Because I now think we may, may, may, may have passed the point where when they do this, they win more people for us than for them.
	Do you understand what I'm saying?
	There'd be a point at which when one of these celebrities, I'm not I what's her name?
	Enbinder in Enheim Hannah Uba Duper, Hammer Uba Duba without large breasts, or or apparent, any apparent breasts that had to be covered because the Muhammad followers are sick perverts and hate women.
	So they don't want to show the beauty of women because they hate women, and that makes it easier for them to stone them.
	Uh and and use them as objects of perversion.
	Uh, like when they come into uh when they come in to to cut her or particularly Doha, they take off the men take off all those silly white things and they go out with every prostitute you could find.
	Uh and then they probably bring back sexually transmitted diseases to the to the uh to the three wives that are sit sitting uh back home.
	Um but if you if you think they're not uh much more wild, crazy and out of control than the normal Westerner, you're out of your mind.
	I have observed it.
	Uh in any event, these attacks on Charlie have got to stop.
	They've got they've got we We have got to, you know why they have to stop?
	They have to stop because we have to use this as a teaching moment.
	We have to use this to show the American people what they have allowed to happen while they weren't watching.
	Because this happened, this sacrifice of this wonderful man happened because the American people stopped looking at how degraded our society had become.
	and there are many people who have written very valuable analysis of this, and many people have written absolutely silly gobbledygook about it, but it is producing an opportunity to reexamine where we are and where we are going.
	One observation goes to the Gen Z group, which is the group, of course, that Charlie was most concerned about because until he came along, pretty much all of the influences they would get was not only to be left but to be
	communist, Marxist, and anti-American, to hate their parents, to hate God, and to break themselves from anything about our traditions or background.
	Charlie has helped win a lot of them back.
	Now it is true, if you just if you just study them carefully, they self-identify self-identified liberals.
	68% respond.
	Do you feel comfortable sharing your political ideology and your political beliefs with your closest friends?
	Liberals, young liberals in the Gen Z uh 20s uh era, 68% of them are comfortable sharing their ideology.
	Because they're accepted.
	But catch this, only 38% who are conservative are comfortable sharing their ideology.
	So there is a, as Charlie understood and spoke about a lot, a large number of young people in that Gen Z vast group that have contrary opinions, but because of peer pressure, they are afraid to express it.
	When somebody like Charlie Kirk shows up on a campus, they feel affirmed.
	They feel supported.
	Much easier to work in numbers.
	And it's made a massive transition.
	Massive transition to the extent that Trump may have won a slight percentage of that vote.
	A massive transition because in the campuses where he's been able to be effective, he's made remarkable changes.
	And the number of campuses now applying is would quadruple their outreach.
	So yes, part of the reaction of Charlie Kirk to death have been some of the most mean-spirited, some of the most disgusting and some of the most depressing reactions to death by people where you question are they human.
	But part of the reaction, and we don't yet know what's going to win out, are 10 times more applications to turning point.
	15 times more campuses, high school and college, wanting to join.
	In terms of high schools, numbers that would get you to not 100%, but to almost complete saturation.
	Now, this is a week, and we can't...
	But there's a good part to this, and there's a bad part to this.
	So we got to watch how is it how is it going, right?
	One of the recommendations from a uh from a letter to the editor that I saw today, I agree with completely, because I do think, oh, there are so many battles, but there are two big ones in terms of the minds of people.
	So how do people develop their education, right?
	Well, they develop it at home.
	If they go to a church, right?
	They develop it in school, and we develop it on the experiences that we get, the television, the books we read, what we're exposed to.
	So this is a very depressing situation for those of us who feel we're being led to the slaughter of communism because our schools uh public and the uh major uh academic institutions, public or private, are overwhelmed by Democrats, 95, 85 percent, and overwhelmed by Marxists, people who hate America.
	So we kind of lose on the education front.
	You know where we are on the media front, but 80, 90 percent.
	Although we're fighting a battle there and and and with uh the likes of Charlie, but then so many others that can carry on, even you know, more enthusiastically now.
	Uh we've got a we've balanced things quite a bit.
	Whereas five, six years ago, we were the slave of the broadcast media and the cable media.
	We're now becoming much more uh much more almost to the point of a slight majority that gets their news from the online sources, and we dominate the online sources because we're the rejected ones who have the energy to use it, and we're the rejected ones who want to go there because we realize we we we draw the people who have the intellectual capacity to come to the realization something's wrong.
	I'm not getting everything.
	Well, they're gonna they're gonna go try something different, they're gonna go try a banan, right?
	They're gonna go try uh a Bon Geno when he was there, or a Charlie, or me.
	And we're getting, as a group, uh we're getting to the majority.
	So we're we're showing some progress on the media education part.
	But now what about the education education part?
	Well, we got it, we gotta deal on the on the K-12 level.
	We gotta deal with the we gotta deal with the communist teachers union.
	Uh we're making progress with them, but it's slow.
	And in the blue states, they are a complete monopoly.
	And they are they are completely heartless.
	They don't give a damn how much they ruin the education of children, particularly black children.
	They feel they have uh the black uh poor uh completely under their control, so that they can treat them the same way their party used to treat them when their party supported slavery.
	Um we do have charter schools now growing, some places cut off, like in New York.
	We do have home education growing leaps and bounds.
	We have choice programs in many, many places, but we still have to get to upper education, where they control it completely.
	I mean, if you if you if you were to start uh saying, why don't we show some of uh uh Charlie's uh dialogues with the students?
	Gosh, they're somewhat reminiscent of Socrates going around Athens.
	The the philosophy professors at the Ivy League schools would laugh at me, and I would punch them in the nose because I'm smarter than they are because they do.
	And and their prejudice and their brainwashing and their laziness and their silly egos.
	If you haven't met them, I'm telling you the truth, would prevent them from seeing that.
	That unlike them, Charlie was a lot closer to Socrates than they are.
	When does the tell of the last time they went out of the streets of Athens and conducted a discussion?
	They sit in there.
	They don't even teach anymore.
	They just write books and make money and hire assistants to teach.
	I mean, there was one point I remember doing this when I was in business.
	But most of the Ivy League schools teach with adjuncts.
	The professors write books.
	You get to pay you know a million dollars a year for education by some uh 22-year-old adjunct.
	Isn't what that what those teachers do?
	It's a complete absolute F and ripoff.
	The Ivy League schools are the equivalent of the robber barons of the uh turn of the 19th into the 20th century.
	All they did is steal your money.
	They weren't educating your kids.
	The last 20 to 30 years.
	I mean, you if that's an education, ha.
	No wonder the kids are so stupid.
	So a very, very um very, very uh astute uh professor at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst wrote a letter to the Wall Street Journal today, in which he says, I agree with much of Ben Sass's provocative op-ed.
	University trustees have their heads in the sand.
	But university boards can't assemble a politically diverse faculty unless more conservatives enter academia.
	As an Ivy League humanities eight PhD himself, Mr. Sass must know that the humanities aren't the fat we need to trim.
	We don't have any study of the humanities.
	Well, when you're on your way to communism, you write out humanities, because humanities is a product of the Judeo-Christian tradition.
	It's a product of Western civilization.
	It doesn't, humanities don't exist for communists.
	But it is true.
	Somehow, some way we we need to produce uh those who are interested in entering academia who have uh conservative viewpoints.
	It's hard because you're going in as the sacrificial lamb to start with.
	Nobody's gonna like you, nobody's gonna talk to you.
	I mean, you could you could concentrate on the um Hillsdale colleges and places like that.
	But I think what Ben is talking about is we got an awful lot of really bright people, brighter, a lot brighter than them.
	That's why we we win elections, and the country is going in our direction.
	Because they they really are not not only are they not only are they brainwashed um a communist uh being brainwashed renders you ultimately stupid.
	But we have to figure out how to how can we get people more interested?
	I mean, how how long can we exist with only 10 colleges or 12 or so that's that's a um that's a thing for the future and also a really deliberate attempt to see if we can continue what Charlie was doing, maybe not with anyone as quite as talented as he is, but maybe with a whole group of people that are almost as talented.
	A lot of campuses are asking now.
	It would be good to satisfy their, it would be good to satisfy their their uh their request their request.
	So, Ted, I I uh I think that one of the people that was uh that was involved in getting attacked uh uh because of Charlie uh Lexi Kunzel, who was a nurse in New Jersey, was fired because she complained about Dr. Matthew Young, who uh basically said, I hate Charlie Kirk.
	He had it coming, he deserved it.
	This guy is a surgeon at a hospital in Bergen County, that's where my son went to high school.
	So Lexi complained about him.
	What would you do if you were on the board of a hospital and somebody said, I hate Charlie Kirk?
	He had it coming.
	He deserved it.
	What would you do?
	Would you do what I would do?
	No, no, I wouldn't beat him up in the in the backyard.
	I used to do that, but not no, yeah, I was you know growing up in Brooklyn then.
	I'd fire him.
	They fired her.
	Oh, not for long.
	Put her on suspension, yeah.
	We all got involved.
	We all protested, and we got her back, right?
	She has been reinstated.
	But if I'm this nurse, how long do I want to stay at a place like that?
	Well, I don't know.
	Maybe she should stay there to make sure it changes.
	Yeah.
	Because that is unacceptable.
	Uh the doctor Dr. Matthew Young of Inglewood quit.
	Good.
	Following the incident.
	Is he an American?
	We don't know.
	Well, I don't know.
	I mean, we have an awful lot of uh non-American doctors.
	Well, in any event, maybe, maybe, maybe uh maybe he could go somewhere and be a missionary for a while.
	Right.
	And repent his sins.
	That it's it's not that right.
	I don't know if this is much about us wanting, you know, taking joy in people losing their jobs as much as it is a point needs to be made.
	Like we have a thing to do with people losing their jobs.
	Here's what I see.
	We don't do this with joy, it's actually disgusting.
	I have always thought the most difficult thing for us is to fix education.
	I can see us fixing the media.
	We're on our way to doing it.
	I can see us even fixing some of the deep state.
	We've had uh in the case in the case of the Trump people that are really aggressive, we've had some really great success.
	In the cases of some that aren't, we're falling behind a little.
	But in any event, we're in the we're in the we're we're we're the process is obvious how to do it.
	I I think education is so vast, so big, you know, uh kindergarten to eighth grade, uh high school, college, graduate education, the academic academic institutions, and and uh uh ones that are that that are uh that that set the tone.
	How do you get to all of them?
	And and you know, the percentages are like 80 and 90 percent.
	So there, Charlie was making inroads, uh and I thought that was almost the most impossible place to make inroads, but now there is an opening, and we should we should do the best we can to take advantage of it.
	We need to get into the academic institutions so that our children get a fair, balanced education.
	It is fair and balanced education if you come out of it saying America is the most exceptional country in the history of the world.
	When Barack Obama said we should do away with American exceptionalism, uh, we should have asked Barack Obama to retire.
	We should have done away with him.
	I don't mean kill him, stop it.
	I mean resigned tell him to resign.
	He shouldn't be shouldn't be president of America if you don't love it.
	He never loved America.
	I said it once, everybody went crazy on me.
	Now everybody agrees with me.
	He doesn't love America.
	We cannot tolerate a president who doesn't love us.
	Uh-uh.
	Did he hate America?
	You're damn right he did.
	Why did he take down the bust of Churchill?
	Because Churchill was a colonist.
	Well, so was America, which is what he thought.
	That's where 1619, the great fictional history came from.
	He may very well have started this, Ted.
	Yeah, but I mean he was I he was trained as a communist.
	Absurd.
	Uh we already covered Hannah Einbender.
	We we we did, but I think one other point about the Emmys.
	Look, we don't watch, we didn't even know they were happening.
	I still don't know that.
	Well, we happened.
	I don't even know.
	I just saw the video.
	She was on Cud's news network.
	Did you know there was a Cuds news network?
	Cuds is the group that killed Americans.
	There they're uh this is another point about the Emmys, and uh it shows that we didn't miss a damn thing.
	So this is someone else reporting because we wouldn't have known.
	But how is that how do you not mention it?
	How do you go an entire award show?
	Well, they they didn't mention it because uh well, I guess it was better for them not to mention it because they would have made fun of it.
	Isn't that just isn't that absurd?
	So they they probably you're right, they probably warned their actors not to bring.
	Because we know you're gonna say what to say is he deserves to die.
	How we know they believe that way.
	Now, how does Elon Omar who came into America married to a brother?
	Doesn't it get you thrown out?
	Doesn't isn't your citizenship fraud fraudulent?
	Therefore, you can't be in Congress if you lied, said you were married to your brother in order to become a citizen.
	We don't apply those rules to a uh traitor communist communist commerce, congresswoman.
	Well, Nancy Mace is on her tail, and she wants her, she wants her stripped of her committee assignments and whatever else can be done, I guess, uh, for attacking Charlie Kirk.
	Ilar Omar has shown us exactly who she is, someone who defends political violence and refuses to condemn the loss of innocent lives when it doesn't suit her agenda, even the cold-blooded assassination of Charlie Kirk.
	Her statement was these people are full of SHIT, and it's important for us to call them out while we feel anger and sadness.
	There is nothing more effed up than to pretend that his words and actions haven't been recorded in existence for the last decade or so, and he was involved with hateful rhetoric.
	Here's uh just a taste of her vile comments.
	Is that you know Charlie was someone who once said um you know, guns save lives after uh a school shooting.
	Um Charlie was someone who was willing to debate and downplay the death of George Floyd uh in the hands of Minneapolis police.
	I think he called him a scumbag.
	Right, have no regard.
	Um, downplay slavery and what black people have gone through in in this country uh by saying what does that even mean?
	I just nothing true about what that lying shouldn't play.
	Illegal, illegal, illegal alien is saying.
	Brother marrier.
	There's nothing true.
	Maybe only a brother would marry uh the the um he never uh Charlie Kirk in his entire life never downplayed slavery.
	What she does is she she she downplays Islamic slavery since it was considerably more significant than transatlantic slavery.
	I've never heard her talk about the horrors of Muslim slavery, which existed three times longer and about five times more uh in terms of numbers than transatlantic slavery.
	Uh if she wants to get even with and straighten out the debt owed by Western civilization to blacks, uh that debt is about 10 times greater uh from the religion that she practices, which is called the uh the religion of well, to some the religion of violence.
	It depends on how much of the Quran you're willing to read.
	You want to read all of it, it's the religion of violence.
	And it's the it's the religion that tolerated, encouraged, and continued encouraged into the last century black slavery, and blacks were by far, although uh the Islam took slaves uh from everyone, uh their biggest target were black Africans,
	and now of course they're killing black Africans who don't share their religion, otherwise known as Christian or non-Muslim black Africans, because in Africa they're doing what Muhammad taught them to do, they're spreading their religion as effective as they can by killing people.
	The major weapon for the spread of the religion of Islam is to kill.
	Because preaching doesn't work.
	Nobody believes that Muhammad was taken up into heaven by Gabriel the angel.
	I'm sorry.
	Sorry to uh to get you all upset, but when he came back from his journey uh to to uh paradise and hell and wherever, and he started explaining it to his uh brethren in uh in Medina.
	Uh they said he was a crazy ass.
	And And when they saw him get down on the ground and have like uh epileptic fits, they thought he was possessed by the devil.
	And then he was sure he could get the Christians and the Jews.
	And when he did the same thing with them, they just threw him out.
	So then he went among the uh illiterate.
	Uh uh people who were wandering the desert, and he started converting one after the other.
	And they seemed to, because of all sorts of reasons, including deprivation and anger and unfair treatment and everything, they wanted to do war.
	So he became a general.
	And ultimately, that's what he was.
	He was a warrior, not just a warrior.
	He was a ruthless, murdering general who spread his religion by military conquest.
	The whole Islamic Republic of Iran is uh uh acquired by a military conquest by uh the direct descendants of Muhammad over the Zoroastrians.
	They just killed them, eliminated the religion.
	Uh one of the first examples of genocide.
	That's what the religion is based on.
	And that's what um that's what one wonders uh how ignorant and how stupid and how much hiding of history had to take place when they created the black Muslim movement.
	The last thing blacks should have become a Muslim.
	The religion that has done more damage to blacks than any religion, uh, combine them all.
	The ones that kill more blacks, taking them in slavery more often, considers them basically something less than human is the Muslim religion.
	Charlie Kirk very beautifully in his uh for taking over for his show for um for Charlie, said that Charlie was responsible for his vice presidency.
	Isn't that right?
	Yeah, yeah, you said Charlie.
	Yeah, and and uh uh yes.
	Charlie was one of the people that pushed the president, or or I would say advised the president very strongly that he would be a very good vice president.
	And it was, and since since JD did not have the track record that some of the others had, those endorsements were of particular importance.
	And the president, as you know, for some time is a very high regard for Charlie Kirk.
	And I am sure I am sure that it it uh that's certainly a justifiable, uh, certainly a justifiable statement.
	But I do think it's time for me to take a break.
	And when we come back, we're going to have Dr. Maria with us.
	And we're gonna talk about a very, very difficult.
	Um very difficult moral proposition.
	Uh, because maybe, maybe, just maybe by talking about it, it'll open our minds a bit.
	Okay.
	We'll be right back.
	We'll be right back.
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	you Thank you.
	This is Rudy Giuliani.
	We're back, and it's um Mercus Mayor live, and we have with us Dr. Maria.
	Uh this murder assassination has evoked tremendous difference of reaction from the people that we focused on somewhat, the the ones who seem to be celebrating the death of a human being.
	So uh to me, uh I I sat there today spending an hour just contemplating how how much have we moved in two or three thousand years when on a Sunday afternoon, uh the the um high and low of Rome would go out, and instead of watching a football game, they'd watch a gladiator's contest and cheer for death.
	And the gorier the death, the more they cheer.
	And what we witnessed over this weekend was were people uh cheering for the gory uh death of a father of uh two children who's committed no crime, who's led an exemplary life, and about whom the only thing they can object is his political view.
	I mean, nothing Charlie's ever done to hurt anybody except his you the only reason you'd kill him is for his political view.
	This he didn't, he's not a member of organized crime, he didn't sell drugs, he didn't beat anybody up, he didn't take anybody's money, he didn't harm anybody, he didn't uh attack anybody.
	Um he offered political views, and from what I can tell, they're pretty much mainstream.
	You know, let's talk.
	Well, interestingly enough, you know.
	Are we like the Romans of 2,000 years ago?
	We have we have substantial numbers of people that celebrate the death of people they don't like.
	We're not quite to that level, but you and I had a four-year radio for four years we did radio together, and it was mainly under, I think if not all under the Biden administration.
	So we often talked about the evil aspect of a certain population of our country and how that was shifting, right?
	If you look back into the 1950s, it was all about being a good citizen, working hard, you could become a homeowner owner, you're gonna be uh, you know, have a family someday, but it was very law and order and nicety.
	And you definitely saw our trajectory to the Western from the Western civilization that I'm gonna use this phrase, we were more and more enlightened, right?
	I think our humanity trajectory was supposed to be we're supposed to get better and better, right?
	Through life.
	We're supposed to be more contemplative, blah, blah, blah.
	And then comes the Biden administration.
	And I and it started under the Obama administration, but we saw society moving away from those ideals in massive numbers.
	Instead of the little trickle here, people on the fringes, it became a movement which shocked a lot of us because it was evil and like the devil.
	It was so egregious.
	And that's why sometimes people on the right say this isn't about different political ideals.
	This is literally good versus evil.
	And I've often said instead of that trajectory of being more and more enlightened in being smarter as society and humanity.
	I think we've regressed and we've stopped that.
	We halted that and went backwards.
	Is it because we rejected God at we went to great lengths to say, okay, we can't have prayer in school.
	Okay, I could kind of see that separation of church and state.
	But we actually try to, through the propaganda of the media in the left wing, you know, let's face it, the Democrat Party became to vilify anybody.
	Look at how they act when we say we're gonna send prayers.
	Oh God, they're gonna send prayers.
	Oh, we've had enough of this thoughts and prayers.
	Like they tried to villainize the fact that we believe in God and we believe in the power of prayer.
	But this Charlie Kirk thing, I don't want to mean to be so long-winded.
	You're not you're right on point.
	Charlie Kirk has united people, and not that we weren't united before, we were all kind of doing our own thing.
	We we like to be individual, but he through his brutal assassination.
	People are saying, no more, no more.
	We gotta call a spade a spade.
	We're not gonna be, we're not gonna be in the background anymore, just doing our thing, you know, being righteous.
	We're gonna get together and we're gonna say no more in our country.
	Yeah, you're not gonna get to kill another Charlie Kirk.
	That's right.
	Or anybody, you know, Charlie Kirk.
	No, you're not gonna get it's any political figure.
	I agree, I agree.
	Or human being for that fact.
	I don't want people to take my words that oh, a regular person doesn't mean anything.
	No, every life matters.
	Every life matters.
	I think I think we have to make somewhat of a distinction.
	We have so much murder in our society, and we have so much uh democrat uh uh support of murder.
	Like in Chicago, they literally support murder.
	They have they 65 years of democratic rule.
	Every weekend, their minimum six, 20 people get killed, bare minimum 20, 100 people get wounded.
	They don't do a damn thing about it, and they've had black mayors, and they don't care that it's mostly black people.
	So I don't know what you're gonna do for them.
	The president wants to give them the National Guard, they don't want the National Guard, they'd rather have the black people get killed.
	So I don't know who they are, I don't know what they are.
	I see that fat little rich boy running it who's like a complete jackass.
	I mean, he's a guy that in the I would love to have met him when we were both in grammar school, I could kick the shit out of him and made him cry.
	But I mean, he's obviously not a man.
	He's some poor excuse for a rich boy, you know, they fed him and I don't know what else he doesn't care about the South Side of Chicago.
	He just watches black people die left and right and left and right and comes up with these platitudes, they don't even sound like he can think about them.
	He obviously was too stupid to run the family business, but you know how many people they're all like that that we're stuck with on the left, too stupid to run the family business.
	This is my hope, Rudy, that the people of Chicago, right?
	One thing we know about Chicago is massive election.
	Oh, by the way, the mega is worse.
	Right.
	I I agree.
	They had Betelgeuse, and then they they get this, you know, Johnson, this crazy guy.
	And he doesn't care about his people.
	His own people.
	So this is my hope.
	We all know Chicago cheats, always have, always have cheated in their election.
	The people have to smarten up.
	This is what I didn't understand about New York.
	When I worked in New York, I met so many good people.
	I couldn't understand how they could vote for somebody like DiPlasio.
	It's because of apathy.
	Like 8% of the people come out and vote in New York, 8 to 13%.
	So the people of Chicago have to make it too big to rig and get these losers out of office.
	But are they?
	I mean, if if I were going to analogize New York to Chicago, we got a lot of people who are not going to be able to do that.
	I would say Chicago cheats on elections.
	New York has a crooked judiciary.
	It has since boss tweed.
	Rarely has it been different.
	I can give you an example of it today.
	It is run by, it's run by uh the county leaders of the Democratic Party.
	They put their people in, they make believe they were elected, like Judge Angamoron, who issued a judgment against me today.
	And that's an absurd.
	Should Judge Angamoron have any opportunity to make any judgment about me, given the unbelievable prejudice beyond anything we've ever seen in American politics toward Donald Trump.
	He shouldn't be on the bench.
	Should he have any opportunity to do that?
	And for the law firm, you will find out that has the greatest control over whether or not he should be on the bench.
	Now, I'm gonna tell you they keep it up.
	We're gonna bust open the unbelievable corruption in New York City that has gone on uninterrupted since boss tweed, certainly since uninterrupted since the uh uh suicide of Donald Manis.
	Nobody knows more about that suicide than I do.
	And uh it really is important that you find out how long Democrats have been this crooked in our major cities and what they're doing to you, and how they are delivering New York City to its demise, and you're watching it, you're watching it.
	I don't know why, and staying home and not voting.
	And if you get it, I don't know, the words of my predecessor may be correct.
	You deserve it.
	That was Ed Koch.
	You know, and that's uh I love my whole entire country.
	I love state rights, and it's gotta end up with the people of Chicago, just like the people of New York.
	You've got to get through the cheating, you gotta clean up your system, and you've got to get involved.
	And one of the things that are sparking young people with the brutal assassination of Charlie Kirk, I think they had 900 chapters of Turning Point USA, something like that.
	I may be wrong off a little bit.
	There has been 32,000 requests for new chapters to start.
	So I think we're going in the right direction.
	Look at Tennessee, Republican uh governor, Mr. Lee.
	He has invited the Trump administration to come in to Memphis.
	Memphis is a killing ground.
	It is violent.
	When the hell is a Democrat, and there's no there's no party in the history of the world that has had more to do with the death of black people than the Democrat Party.
	Yeah.
	Including now.
	Slavery, the KKK, and now and now and now uh sitting on New York, sitting on uh Chicago, watching blacks get killed, not doing anything about it, making them dependent, uh, you using them as serves.
	Uh black politicians going in there saying they're gonna clean up other city, doing nothing uh for the inner city and walking out with 12, 15, 20 million dollars when they die.
	It's shameful what they've done to the culture, the black culture used to be a very family-oriented culture, very matriarchal, but this dependency for votes, it's keeping them on a different type of plantation.
	It's actually telling them you're too stupid to be out on your own and uh 100% Be a fruitful citizen.
	You have to be on the dole.
	You can't get ID.
	I remember a couple of years ago when they said they can't get ID, they went up to Harlem.
	And everybody in Harlem said we have ID.
	Yeah, and it turned out they have by one percent more blacks have ID than whites.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So you know why?
	You can't get welfare without ID.
	Oh, is that so?
	Nobody thought about that.
	Oh.
	How do we legals get ID?
	Because they give it to the illegals, uh, they have a special special rule for illegal.
	How do illegals get a driver's license without taking a driver's test?
	Yeah.
	Blacks have to take a driver's test.
	Whites have to take a driver's test.
	Pinks have to take a driver's test.
	In betweens have to take a driver's death.
	People with no color have to take a driver's test.
	Not Biden illegals.
	They don't have to take driver's tests.
	They can do like they did in uh in uh in Ohio in that city, Aurora, Ohio.
	They can drive up on a sidewalk and kill you.
	You don't have to take a driver's test.
	The governor will just give it to you.
	He wants you to feel comfortable so you can drive.
	He forgot about the fact that you're gonna kill 10, 12 of his citizens.
	Oh, he probably wants to f his citizens.
	He doesn't care about his citizens.
	So you have a big audience, so I'm gonna say something very controversial.
	Good.
	That's what we like to do.
	I want all you good people who believe in law and order, love our country, love the constitution, to have a lot of babies.
	The evil people will outbirth us.
	The radical Islamic people are taking over Europe.
	They're gonna come here.
	We gotta have, we gotta procreate, procreate, procreate.
	You know, the end of the nice thing.
	Yep.
	Keep having.
	What a nice night you can have procreating.
	And bring those children up right to be good citizens, and we're gonna be okay.
	But we gotta procreate.
	I'm in favor of those things.
	I'm in favor of procreation.
	I'm in favor of love and romance.
	So, Mayor Giuliani.
	Yes, there has been an investigation called Arctic Frost.
	And hopefully tomorrow you'll uh have more on your shows about it.
	But it was a multitude of different government agencies under the Biden administration that were told to target people, conservatives mainly, and people who were close to Trump.
	And my mayor, your name was on the list.
	Yeah, I known that for years.
	And well, not all the years it happened, but I've known that for some time.
	Of course, because things didn't make sense.
	One of the things I didn't know we have a company together, and our accountant used to say we're getting kicked out of another bank.
	And I'd be like, why?
	I remember he'd come to me.
	Every other week we were kicked out of another bank.
	Yep.
	Now, thanks to Chuck Grassley, he has subpoenaed a lot of those banks.
	And guess what?
	All the ones we were kicked out of, flag staff, citibank, a whole bunch of them are on that list targeting you.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	Yeah, well, I knew that.
	I mean, that that that happened that happened to me.
	That happened to me within days of representing Donald Trump.
	Yeah.
	And uh it begins with the taking of my iCloud account with an FBI affidavit claiming I committed a crime, which I can't get from the FBI, including this FBI.
	But mayor, they wrote a letter saying that there was no probable cause.
	Well, I mean okay, sorry, go ahead.
	So they they did two affidavits to invade my uh privacy.
	One was uh when I first represented Donald Trump, somewhat thereafter, they got an affidavit and they took all of my iCloud account so that anything on here, they would get to see.
	Okay.
	Uh the one good thing is Donald Trump doesn't communicate by email, not even much by text.
	So they didn't get shit.
	Uh but you know, they had it, and they saw sure uh uh poured over anything personal, anything business.
	Uh then uh Then they went ahead and got another affidavit, two of them, one to invade my apartment, and one to invade my law office.
	War office is outrageous.
	Outrageous, completely outrageous, completely unconstitutional.
	They should be in jail right now for doing that.
	They should be in jail right now for doing it.
	And then a year and a half later, due to the good work of my lawyer, Bob Costello, he intimidated them and required them, and very few people got this.
	Got them to write a letter to the grand jury saying that based on all that, there was no probable cause to believe that Rudy Giuliani committed any crime, which is true, by the way.
	I don't commit crimes.
	Kind of like figure it out.
	I've been a prosecutor all my life.
	What am I stupid?
	I don't commit crimes.
	I prosecute them.
	I know what they are.
	I don't do them.
	But in any event, he got a letter.
	There's no probable cause that he committed a crime.
	You know how you get an affidavit to invade people's privacy?
	You have to show there's probable cause they committed a crime.
	So four years before there was probable cause, I committed a crime.
	A year and a half before there was probable cause I committed a crime.
	Or they said there was probably a crime.
	Yeah, they said it under oath to a judge.
	And then there was no probable cause.
	What happened to it?
	Never existed.
	Never existed.
	They can just say whatever they want.
	So there are a couple possibilities.
	They lied, probably number one.
	Because that's all they do.
	Number two, they had uh informants who turned out to be liars, but they don't acknowledge that.
	And then the question is, should they have relied on these informants?
	Because if they didn't, they should compensate me.
	You know, you but they don't want to give me the affidavits.
	Cash, they don't want to give me the affidavits.
	We're on the same side.
	Cash patel.
	So Mary Julie, I want to hear my theory real quick because I know we're coming to the end of the show.
	I know a lot of people.
	You give me those affidavits, I'll blow that damn place up.
	Not just for me, but for everybody else that did it too.
	And he doesn't have to be a good idea.
	And if you don't, and if you I don't mean blow it up, please.
	Sorry.
	Not on a second.
	Somebody will take that side.
	I'll get rid of all the shits that did it.
	This didn't happen because there was one bad guy.
	It happened because there was one bad guy and a lot of Nazi prison guards.
	I would have said no if you asked me to go and raid Rudy Giuliani's apartment.
	I would have said, drop dead, take your badge and shove it up your ass.
	Because I have integrity and I believe in the United States of America.
	And they were very nice, the little shits that came in, but they were a bunch of intimidated little shit.
	And you know how I proved it?
	Cash, you know how I improved that every single one of them was a little shit.
	At the end of it, I lined up everything they took, and I left at the end electronics.
	I said to them, you're now through all my electronics.
	I've identified all of it.
	Have it belonged to other people.
	None of it was incriminating.
	I don't really give a damn if they took them.
	I said, now you're gonna come to the two incriminating pieces of evidence.
	Hunter Biden's uh laptop.
	Now, which one do you want?
	The hard drive that has all of the child pornography or the hard drive in which I've accept uh exempted it, got it out, so it wouldn't embarrass people.
	They say, Oh, well, we don't want to no, no, no, no.
	They were peeing in their little childish pants.
	And what did what is it?
	They didn't think either.
	Yeah, and by that they violated the subpoena.
	They violated the warrant.
	Warrant.
	The warrant didn't say all electronics except Hunter Biden's.
	It said all electronics.
	I got to keep two of the electronics.
	This is one illegality after another illegality after another illegality, because under Joe Biden, we were living in a dictatorship.
	We didn't have freedom of speech, we didn't have the ability to have a fair trial.
	We had judges on the bench, like in the DC district, who were maniacs, who could have could have easily substituted in Soviet Union or Nazi Germany uh for trials.
	And we're not we're not cleaning that up.
	And here's the sadness of it.
	If we don't clean it up, it'll happen again.
	This has to be put so beyond the pale that nobody ever again will think of doing this.
	The people have to be either punished or embarrassed or exercised or so that never again does this happen again.
	And jeopardize this great experiment of freedom, which makes America so beautiful and so wonderful.
	And they soiled more than any other group of Americans.
	This group, Biden, Obama, Hillary, that group have been the most evil group of Americans that we've ever had in terms of American liberty.
	Never had anything like that before.
	They sold it.
	And God willing, we'll never have them again.
	But if they get away with it, you don't think there'll be more evil people that come back and want to do the same things?
	That's why this is not about getting even.
	Nobody I want to get even with.
	It's about justice.
	Actually, there's so many I'd want to get even with there, too many.
	I just don't even think about it.
	I just want people brought to justice.
	I I don't want, I would like what happened to me.
	Here's the way I would feel better about what happened to me.
	If I felt confident, it wouldn't happen to somebody else.
	I don't right now.
	I just saw worse happen to Charlie.
	Well, Mayor Giuliani, um, I do want to say one thing about Mike Lindell.
	Oh, please, our good.
	This is the network, Lindell TV, and thank you for supporting Lindell TV.
	You may or may not know my pillow, the organization is employee um what's that called?
	Employee owned.
	It's no longer, and it hasn't been for many years.
	Mike Lindell himself, the employees own it.
	So all these frivolous attacks on him, you know, getting rid of his products and bed and bath and everything, it hurts those employees.
	American employees and American-made products, please, and I'm telling you, I do buy this is on my mother's soul.
	I buy my pillow products because I I just love them, and not your what you think about the pillow.
	I actually really like the um sheets in the towels, and there's a whole bunch of stuff.
	Please, please go to my pillow.com.
	Already think about Christmas.
	Get your get some Christmas shopping done.
	And he's always got specials in the R-quality products.
	And that's all I have to call it.
	Could I make a suggestion based on that doc?
	Because that's beautiful.
	So if you have a little extra money, you know, and you like doing good things for people, why don't you go buy a bunch of my pillow stuff and give it to the poor?
	Oh, that's wonderful.
	Why don't you go?
	Why don't you go to the local, the local um place where they have homeless people, or uh, or go to the place for needy children, or go to the prison, or go to, I'm sure, whatever town you're in, wherever you are, you got people that are in need.
	Absolutely.
	Or go or go to the Salvation Army or the Catholic charities or the everybody needs pillows.
	Yeah, get them pillows and blankets and maybe some for the poor kids, maybe some pretty things, uh, pretty they have pretty little stuff that the kids can play with.
	But uh, why not put that money into the guy who's trying to save free speech for us and has done a big job doing it and has been tortured for it.
	Look, I know there are a lot a lot, a lot of us uh to support and to help, but Charlie was one of the top ones, and so is Mike Lindell.
	So, you know, think about that.
	Think about when you got a little.
	If you if you are one that has a little extra money, or you're charitable, uh you can make it be work in a double in a double way, right?
	Just like Rudy got coffee.
	Oh, Ruby dot coffee.
	The best coffee.
	I gotta tell you, we did it.
	There's nothing.
	I mean, uh, this is really ridiculous, but this is really good.
	It's I gotta get somebody to sell it other than me because you probably don't believe me.
	This uh this morning I made such a good cup of coffee.
	I got up very early.
	I usually don't make coffee that early.
	I usually wait.
	I get a voice message that you called it.
	I left a voice message at six o'clock.
	The coffee this morning was pofe.
	It was poific, like you say in Brooklyn Poific.
	Point somehow it worked out beautifully.
	I just opened a new, a new um a new bag of bold, and I had an old little bag of uh morning, and I mixed them together, and they worked out.
	Yeah, I opened oh I can smell it.
	I all opened the new bag of this one here.
	And I had I had I had some uh morning, which is the milder one.
	I had some morning in the grinder, and I put this on top of the morning, and I went and I made it, and I drank it early because I I have a whole routine, which I'll explain sometime.
	But I usually don't have coffee that early.
	I wait until later on when I wake up again.
	But I decided to have it.
	Man, I couldn't stop drinking it.
	And I I started texting people, including Maria about how good it was.
	I had a voice message, and I'm like, I'm gonna try to save some for later.
	Solve at seven in the morning.
	But all right, thank you for having me on.
	I love coming on your show.
	Very, very welcome.
	We want you to go over now.
	What's today?
	No, not today.
	Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, 9 p.m.
	So then we can cover up, we can cover up a few more of our sins here and get to all the things, get to all of the things that we missed.
	Uh TikTok.
	We're on our way to a deal for TikTok, they say, and the TikTok deal all depends on the secret algorithm.
	China has been willing now to give up the secret algorithm.
	According to, according to that, this will be safe for us to allow an American company to take over, to take over and control TikTok, although Bite Dance, which is the Chinese uh owner, which in essence is Red China, uh, will have an interest, it will have an interest in it.
	They'll they'll have some kind of an in an interest in it.
	Uh I I do I do have a question about it, which uh wasn't uh resolved in what I read, and I read several of the articles on it and background on it.
	The the real the real problem with TikTok.
	Oh no, no, the real um security problem with TikTok is everything they get can be taken by the Chinese government.
	Now maybe I don't understand this new algorithm, uh secret algorithm well enough.
	I'm assuming from what I read that if you have the secret algorithm and you can use it, you can operate uh you can operate it by itself.
	And you don't have to be responsible to China, and China can't get it.
	It doesn't say that.
	I've seen no, I've seen nothing that says that, and I'd feel much more comfortable if I did.
	So there's a question here.
	Forget the algorithm.
	That's great, we got it.
	Does it mean that there's no way, no way that China can have access to anything on that TikTok platform?
	No way.
	You say yes, then we should go ahead with it.
	You say no, Mr. President.
	I love you, I disagree with you, throw them out.
	This is not uh this is not uh a matter of uh negotiating for something else or seeking something else.
	China wants to destroy us.
	Uh we can't let them do it through getting any more of our secrets.
	We've let them take advantage of us long enough.
	So everybody else is happy about the TikTok solution.
	I I read it very carefully.
	I don't see the answer.
	I don't see that having the secret algorithm means that China doesn't have access to everything in there based on China Chinese law.
	I think that's the correct.
	Please say it.
	Uh we we talked about our victory in uh in New Jersey in in and all of our victories, all of us who spoke up for Lizzie Lizzie Kunzel.
	I'm glad that she's back, and I'm glad that some of these are working.
	Ted, are you keeping track?
	I mean, you've been very, very active in this and a hero, really.
	Have you have had are you keeping track of how we're doing on this?
	Well, we've we've we we have a small list, but it's not a comprehensive one that I know we promised folks we'd get you one.
	So by tomorrow we'll have at least something up to date uh between our accounts, Libs of TikTok, Scott Pressler, and and thousands and thousands of others of various sizes, right?
	A lot of these accounts are just a few hundred followers, just concerned Americans.
	And uh a lot of progress.
	People have been removed from their positions, especially in schools and the medical facilities.
	A number of students have been expelled from campus for displaying very disturbing behavior, mayor, right?
	And maybe we'll play some of these.
	I don't even want to play the videos, but these people are unhinged, right?
	It's not that they're even just coming up and protesting Charlie, which would be sick enough, right?
	To do that during a candlelight vigil, just even to show up with a sign like um Westboro Baptist Church used to do.
	Remember them?
	Westboro Baptist Church, but they'd show up and stand at a distance and and protest.
	It was bad.
	But now what we're seeing is uh these agitators going up destroying, screaming at the top of their lungs.
	I mean, you can almost see it in their eyes.
	These are very disturbed individuals.
	Uh, any of you that have seen these videos the last few days, again, this isn't it's it's way beyond just making some ridiculous point about free speech by standing there with a sign that says I didn't like Charlie.
	They're they're purposefully interfering with the vigils, uh taking physical action against you know people there, uh running through them, throwing flowers.
	It's it's beyond the pill.
	How about the guy who trampled on the flowers?
	And and so we've seen a number of cases of students.
	Thankfully, the university is acting quickly, identifying them.
	Well, how many have we gotten rid of?
	I guess is what I'm I'm uh can we get can we do some kind of a quote as of how many we have gotten rid of so we can give people encouragement.
	And here, and I'm gonna tell you why we're doing this.
	First of all, some people say, well, you're interfering with free speech.
	No, we're not.
	Free speech does not mean you get to be immune based on the implication of what you say.
	In other words, if I say something uh extremely damaging and extremely stupid, maybe I can't be prosecuted for it, but my employer can fire me for it.
	He can take seriously what I said.
	Otherwise, it's not free speech.
	It's immune speech.
	I can say anything I want.
	And nobody can do anything to me about it.
	There's certain things you can do, certain things you can't do.
	The government cannot go after you for your speech.
	That's what free speech is about.
	Has nothing to do with private action.
	The first amendment of the constitution says you have a right of free speech.
	That that's as against the government of the United States, not against your employer.
	Not against your best friend can decide he doesn't want to be friends with you anymore because of what you said, right?
	If you said to some uh uh friend of yours that his kid was a miserable creep, and uh and he was absolutely wrong, and it was hateful thing to say.
	You don't have to be friends with anymore because of free speech.
	This is ridiculous.
	So if they say something like, isn't it wonderful that Charlie Kirk died?
	You don't have to employ him any longer as a teacher because they're a sick puppy or a sick bum.
	I'm sorry, I don't want you teaching my kid if you think it's wonderful that Charlie Kirk was assassinated in front of thousands of people for no other reason, but because he what he was saying.
	So that's not free speech.
	In fact, you're exercising free speech and getting rid of them.
	So join us.
	Let us know.
	We can't handle them all.
	We're not the biggest organization.
	We do work with others, but we're working hard to get every one of these held accountable because I also see it as another way of cleaning out the schools.
	We got to get rid of the Marxist uh groomers in the schools online.
	There's a very, very good piece done by a columnist that I cite quite often because I think her work is remarkable.
	She's all over the place and in the right place is Ricky Schlott.
	And today she writes about how much time was spent by this guy and his lover online.
	And she does it by interpreting the inscriptions on the bullet casings that show someone that's deeply embedded in the lower depths.
	I think the governor called it the dark web.
	And that he and that if anything else, he's a product of that.
	In fact, one of his classmates that she interviewed said the best is he's like a Reddit kid.
	Reddit is one of the is one of the offending websites, websites.
	Right.
	Right.
	Now.
	And her concern is that on Reddit, on Discord and on many on TikTok, there are sitting in the weeds, ready to go groomers, all kinds of groomers.
	They're not there just for politics.
	They're there for human trafficking.
	They're there to get your 12 year old kid to decide that she wants to come to New York.
	Let's meet it.
	Let's meet at the let's meet at the Port Authority.
	Now, the kid has a lifetime of being a prostitute or they're there for switching them philosophically if they think that's the way they can move them or get get getting them to be activists for them so they can blow something up or bomb something or getting them to be to be involved in low level, low level drug dealing.
	Their groomers are all over the Internet.
	Unless you have a very, very responsible social media network, they just let them go and go and go because they don't give a damn.
	Most of them are as left wing as these idiots anyway.
	And there's no doubt, Ricky says, we've long heard about the horror of children being groomed by online predators, but the Internet can also turn children into dangers themselves.
	And she she does that based on things like O.W.O.
	Notice bulge.
	O.W.O.
	What's this?
	That's an emoticon suggesting a wide eyed animal face.
	It's common in online role play and forums dedicated to the furry subculture.
	I don't know if my.
	kid was in the furry subculture I'd want to know about it so this guy was in the furry subculture and his father was having all kinds of conversations with him debates I guess as the guy was going as uh as Tyler was going further and further and further left and further left and further left uh Robinson had an account on furryaffinity.net which is a website for
	swapping sexualized images and chatting about the kink.
	Now I don't know what the kink is Ricky loses me there.
	I take it it's not good.
	Kinky behavior, I guess.
	She then points to, hey, fascist catch, and oh, Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Chow, Chow.
	Apparent references to the video game Helldivers.
	I take it one step further there, Ricky, that Bella Chow was recently and is very, very prominently used by Antifa.
	They've adopted it many, many years ago because they are anti-fascist.
	This was an anti-fascist slogan of the Italian partisans, and it's been a mainstay of Antifa for that long, which would create certainly a major question as to whether Antifa has some involvement in this grooming.
	And Lance Twiggs, who is the partner who we have trouble with the pronoun on, is an aspiring pro gamer who is also highly active on subreddits filled with all kinds of
	don't know how to describe it what there's a lot to be learned from this that hopefully uh we will take into consideration as we uh move on.
	I mean, the uh uh the president seems to be very happy having gone to London with his good friend King Charles.
	I didn't know they were good friends, but uh they seem to look at the world somewhat differently, he and King Charles, and certainly Keir Sturmer, and he seemed to look at the world differently, but we do have to have a good relationship with him, and I'm happy that the president likes it so much in England.
	Uh maybe he could do something for them.
	They're falling apart, and pretty soon they're gonna be a Muslim country.
	Uh or maybe a Catholic country again, because there apparently are more Catholics than Anglicans, and if not in all of England, in large parts of England.
	Everybody's leaving the Anglican church and staying out, or they're becoming Catholic.
	Why?
	Because the Catholics stand for something.
	The Anglicans stand for who got here is a very, very challenging article that I meant to bring up with Dr. Maria, but she left.
	And that is Matthew Hennessy writes the following.
	And when I started reading it, I just couldn't stop because it is so.
	Because it's so beautiful.
	Anyone who's ever held a peacefully sleeping baby has had the thought, what will become of him?
	The miracle of new life inspires endless wonder.
	We revel in the possibilities.
	Where will fate take this beautiful, innocent child?
	What does his future hold?
	Most of us think that with the right combination of care and education, and perhaps a little luck, the upside for any child is essentially unlimited.
	He could grow to be president, he could end up running a big corporation or write the great American novel.
	He could win the Super Bowl, become a movie star, or find the cure for cancer.
	Somebody's life is going to lead him to each of those things.
	Why not my baby?
	Why not the beautiful, innocent child sleeping peacefully in my arms?
	Oh gosh, I've had that feeling about both my children and other people's children.
	Haven't you?
	The reality most of us banish from our minds is that the downside is essentially unlimited too.
	Suffering is unavoidable.
	So are disappointments and disaster, injury and illness.
	In fact, a future full of struggle and pain is far more likely than one of cinema stardom or slipper bowl rings.
	Odds are the tiny, defenseless baby in your arms would some point hurt people and be hurt in return.
	He'll be devastated by heartbreaking, flash out in anger.
	He'll take you for granted and put your love to the death.
	How we respond to life's many pressures reveals who we are.
	It isn't always pretty.
	Every reckless driver was once a newborn child.
	Every degenerate gambler is a mother's son.
	Now consider the worst.
	The baby in your arms may one day call and say, I made a terrible mistake.
	I'm in huge trouble.
	I don't know what to do.
	I need your help.
	What are you going to do then?
	If I had a lifetime to think about it, I couldn't come up with a more tragic circumstance than the murder last week of Charlie Kirk.
	A young and vibrant man died in the cruelest way possible.
	Cut down in his prime for his views on politics.
	He had so much more to give to his family and country.
	It's a horror that the nation will live with and struggle to make sense of for many years to come.
	At heart, however, there is a human tragedy more than a societal one.
	The Kirk family deserves sympathy and justice.
	They've lost a husband, father, and son.
	They will never be the same.
	Charlie Kirk's parents held him in their arms and dreamed of a future for their baby boy.
	They may not have foreseen what he would end up making of himself, the self-made success, the fame, the political influence.
	They surely never imagined that his life would end up being so tragically short, or that it would end up in such violence.
	Pray for them.
	But in your charity, and I know this is hard to do, spare a prayer for the Robinson family as well.
	Imagine handing your own son over to the police to be charged, potentially with capital murder.
	Think about how difficult that must have been.
	What emotional courage that must have taken.
	If charged and found guilty, Tyler Robinson could be sentenced to death.
	It's a dreadful dilemma to contemplate for any parent.
	I'm a father of five.
	My wife and I have tried to instill in our kids a sense of duty of what's right and wrong.
	Even when nobody's looking, we tell them they should do the right thing, even if there's nothing obvious to be gained from it.
	And if you don't know what the right thing is, well, we tell them, look for the answer in your heart of hearts.
	You'll always find it there.
	Whether I could take my own advice, it isn't obvious.
	If one of my children came to me and confessed that he'd committed a heinous crime, I'm not sure I could easily summon the strength to turn him in.
	Could you?
	Could I?
	In the book of Genesis, Abraham doesn't hesitate to satisfy God's command that he sacrifice his only son Isaac as a demonstration of his faith and obedience.
	Tyler Robinson's parents seem to have acted with similar fidelity and dispatch.
	They didn't hide their son or help him get away.
	According to reports, they sat him down and convinced him he had no choice but to surrender.
	They did the right thing.
	Like the Kirk family, the Robinson family has been changed forever.
	So pray for them.
	Even if it seems weird, even if you aren't sure they deserve it.
	That's why it's called charity.
	I think that's beautiful.
	It's written by Matthew Hennessy.
	And I think with that will offer a prayer to God that we all have the wisdom to embrace that.
	Isn't it?
	Isn't it Jesus on the cross saying they know not what they do?
	Forgive them, for they know not what they do.
	I don't know.
	Thank you.
	There's a lot more to be found out here.
	It's enormously important we find it out.
	I think it's enormously important that we change direction based on this.
	And if we don't, I don't think we'll ever change direction.
	A morality has to change direction, most importantly.
	And then everything else will follow.
	And there's one very, very, very, very important part of this that may seem simple, but it's the most difficult.
	This isn't going to happen unless we bring God back into America.
	Unless we recognize that this country was given to us by God, that those rights, not just poetically, but in reality were given to us by God.
	That our obligations are to a higher being and to a higher ethic.
	So let's, of course, pray, as we always do for the people who are in harm's way in particular, Which are specifically, you know, the people of Ukraine and the people of Iran and the people of Israel, oh my goodness, all over Africa, right?
	But we're at a turning point now.
	And I ask God in a special prayer that you give us the wisdom to extract from this what we should take from this terrible loss of this wonderful young man.
	Something really, really totally edifying and completely symbolic of where we have to go.
	So that we never go back to where we were.
	And we become bigger and better and stronger as a result of it.
	The possibilities of that happening are there.
	And the possibilities of the opposite happening are there.
	We see them both.
	We see it in the in the activities of the hateful people that are dancing on Charlie Kirk's grave.
	And we see it in the reaction of the thousands of people that now want to join Turning Point.
	And the thousands and thousands of people who want to do the same kind of work that he did.
	And the thousands and thousands of people who are rethinking a lot of their political thinking and moral thinking.
	And we see it in all the people that went to church this Sunday.
	It's the second part that we have to work on.
	But most importantly.
	And we have to ask God to come back.
	And then when he comes back, we have to fight for him.
	Look aside when some of our neighbors try to drive God out.
	We got to fight as hard as they're trying to drive them out.
	We have to fight to keep them in.
	Maybe we didn't fight hard enough to keep prayer in the schools.
	And we didn't fight hard enough to keep the Christmas scene in the in the town square.
	And maybe we didn't fight hard enough to let uh the Jewish people uh put the star of David in the town square.
	Maybe we just wanted to kind of belong and look like, oh, we're you know, up-to-date liberals like you are.
	There's nothing up-to-date about rejecting God.
	There's something very antiquated about that.
	That I mean, before there was uh the belief and and and the appearance in our civilization of the monotheistic God, uh, we had just savagery.
	We have that now, don't we?
	Some of it.
	And some might very much believe that the devil is at work in our society.
	I elect to see it as communism at work in our society.
	I I don't think it's so far to say that that's the devil.
	But let's bring God back.
	And let's be available for the battles that are going to be necessary to do that.
	And let's remember with Charlie that we're always available for reasonable conversation to explain our point.
	Not going to give it up.
	We're going to explain it.
	And we're going to love them.
	Even the most offensive of them.
	Even even uh, even the ones who are dancing on Charlie's grave, we have to love them.
	And we have to feel sorry for them.
	And we have to pray that in the fullness of life they come to realize what they did wrong and repent.
	Well, we'll be back tomorrow night at seven on Lindell at uh eight uh here on X, and we'll be available to you all day, depending on what's happening.
	One never knows nowadays, huh?
	So really from from the bottom of my heart, let's just say it because we need it.
	It's like this is a prayer, not Just a statement, not just a closing statement.
	This is a prayer every night it's a prayer.
	But now it's a real prayer.
	And we need it.
	We need it.
	Badly, badly, badly.
	God bless America.
	God bless America.
	Charlie Kirk was murdered while engaging in one of our most sacred and cherished American rights.
	The bedrock of our democratic republic.
	The free exchange of ideas and a search for truth, understanding, and a more perfect union.
	It is also an offense against the state and to the peace and enjoyment of the people of Utah and of all those who visit here.
	But Charlie Kirk's murder also strikes a more personal and intimate cord.
	Charlie Kirk was first and foremost a husband and a father to two beautiful young children.
	He was a son, he was a brother, and a friend.
	Like all murders, the senseless and needless taking of Charlie Kirk's life has shattered the lives of those he loved and those who loved him.
	To Charlie's wife, Erica, his two young children, his parents, his family, and his friends, I express my sincere condolences and offer my heartfelt prayers on your behalf.
	I also want to express my concern for everyone who is at Charlie's Turning Point USA event at the University, or Utah Valley University, and all who have been impacted by this tragedy.
	As county attorney I am charged with bringing justice to those who offend our laws.
	I am charged with bringing justice for those who harm for those who are harmed.
	I am charged with bringing justice for Charlie Kirk.
	I am committed to these aims.
	I take this responsibility seriously.
	Today, after reviewing the evidence that law enforcement has collected thus far, I am filing a criminal information charging Tyler James Robinson, age 22, with the following crimes.
	Count one, aggravated murder, a capital offense, for intentionally or knowingly causing the death of Charlie Kirk under circumstances that created a great risk of death to others.
	Count two felony discharge of a firearm causing serious bodily injury a first-degree felony the state is further alleging aggravating factors on counts one and two Because the defendant is believed believed to have targeted Charlie Kirk based on Charlie Kirk's political expression and did so knowing that children were present and would witness the homicide The
	state is also charging defendant with count three obstruction of justice a second-degree felony For moving and concealing the rifle used in the shooting and Count four, obstruction of justice, a third-degree, uh second degree felony for disposing the clothing he wore during the shooting.
	Count five, witness tampering, a third-degree felony for directing his roommate to delete his incriminating texts.
	Count six, witness tampering, a third-degree felony for directing his roommate to stay silent if police questioned him.
	And count seven, commission Of a violent offense in the presence of a child, a Class A misdemeanor, for committing homicide, knowing that children were present and may have seen or heard the murder and did so based on Charlie Kirk's political expression.
	Also, following the press conference, I am filing a notice of intent to seek the death penalty.
	I do not take this decision lightly, and it is a decision I have made independently as county attorney, based solely on the available evidence and circumstances and nature of the crime.
	Because we are seeking the death penalty, the defendant will continue to be held without bail in the Utah County jail.
	Turning to the 10-page information, these are the allegations.
	On September 10th, 2025, at approximately 12.23 p.m., Charlie Kirk was shot and killed while speaking to a large crowd on the campus of Utah Valley University in Orim, Utah.
	Police found the suspected murder weapon, a bolt action 30-6 rifle nearby.
	Over the next approximately 33 hours, police conducted a manhunt manhunt for the shooter until the evening of September 11th, 2025, when Tyler James Robinson surrendered to police at the Washington County Sheriff's Office.
	DNA consistent with Robinson was found on the rifle's trigger.
	After shooting Mr. Kirk, Robinson hid the gun, discarded the clothing he wore when he fired the rifle, and told his roommate to delete incriminating text messages and not talk to police.
	Children were present at the time of the shooting.
	The shooting.
	Turning Point USA, a nonprofit organization founded in 2012 by Charlie Kirk, organized a public outdoor event to be held at noon on September 10th, 2025 at UVU.
	The event was the first in a series of similar events to be held at college campuses nationwide.
	Mr. Kirk is a well-known conservative activist, famous for these type of events, where he discusses various political issues and debates with audience members.
	His events and comments have garnered a significant number of supporters and drawn the ire of many who disagree with his political views.
	The event at UVU was announced far in advance and garnered significant publicity and interest.
	Consequently, several hundred people attended.
	Mr. Kirk was interacting with a crowd before the event officially got underway.
	Then at approximately noon, Mr. Kirk seated himself under a portable canopy behind a table and microphone.
	He began speaking to the crowd and fielding questions from attendees, a format Mr. Kirk commonly used at his events.
	Mr. Kirk allowed his questionnaires to approach a microphone position directly in front of him.
	Mr. Kirk's team members were very close to him on his right and left, as well as some behind his canopy and others at various close locations near him.
	The large crowd surrendered surrounded Mr. Kirk on three sides.
	Temporary metal fencing separated attendees from Mr. Kirk by only a matter of feet.
	Directly above and behind Mr. Kirk was the UVU Hall of Flags, an indoor walkway spanning several several hundred feet with floor to ceiling glass windows which overlooked the plaza where Mr. Kirk was seated.
	People were in the walkway at the time of the shooting.
	Approximately 15 minutes into the event, Mr. Kirk was answering a question About mass shootings by transgender individuals when a gunshot rang out.
	The bullet struck Mr. Kirk in the neck.
	He slumped to the ground almost immediately.
	The bullet's trajectory passed closely to several other individuals beside Mr. Kirk, including the questioner who was standing directly in front of Mr. Kirk.
	Children were visible near Mr. Kirk's stage when he was shot.
	Mr. Kirk was rushed to a nearby hospital where he was declared deceased.
	The medical examiner's report is still pending.
	So UVU surveillance.
	So at the moment of the shot, a UVU police officer was watching the crowd from an elevated vantage point.
	As soon as he heard the shot, he began to scan the area for threats.
	Believing the shot came from a rifle because of its sound, he looked for potential sniper positions.
	He noted a roof area approximately 160 yards away from Mr. Kirk as a potential shooting position and rushed there to look for evidence.
	The suspected shooting position is adjacent to an open, publicly accessible walkway.
	To access the suspected location, a person must climb over a railing and then drop to the roof only slightly below.
	The UV officer climbed over the railing and down onto the roof.
	He then walked to the suspected shooting position and confirmed a clear shooting corridor between the position and Mr. Kirk's seat.
	He also noticed markings in the gravel rooftop, consistent with a sniper having lain on the roof, impressions in the gravel, potentially left by the elbows, knees and feet of a person in a prone shooting position.
	Police reviewed surveillance from the camera covering the roof and discovered that it recorded an individual dressed in dark clothing cross the railing from the public walkway and drop onto the roof at approximately 12 15 p.m.
	Although the individual moved out of the camera's view for a short time, the camera again captured the individual running across the roof and then low crawling to the area the UBU officer recognized as where the suspected sniper had dropped into a prone shooting position.
	After a short time, which matches the known time of the shot, the individual arose and ran across the roof to the northeast.
	This discovery led to an intensive review of UVU surveillance recordings to attempt to track and identify the suspect.
	Surveillance revealed the following.
	At approximately 11 51 a.m., the suspect entered campus from the north.
	He is seen wearing a black shirt with an American flag in the center, a dark baseball cap and large sunglasses.
	Throughout the surveillance, the suspect keeps his head down and rarely raises his head enough to get a clear image of his face.
	As he proceeds across the campus, he is seen walking with an unusual gait.
	The suspect walks with very little bending in his right leg, consistent with a rifle being hidden in his pants.
	This unusual gait continues until the suspect is seen crossing the railway off the open walkway and onto the roof where he leaves the camera's view.
	A camera later captures the suspect as he runs across the roof to the suspected shooting position.
	Immediately after the shot was fired, a camera captures the suspect running across the roof, carrying an item whose shape is consistent with a rifle.
	The suspect is then seen climbing down from the roof.
	He appears to drop the item he was carrying as he hits the ground in a controlled fall.
	He then picks up the item and runs toward the northeast end of campus.
	Expanded crime scene investigation.
	Law enforcement officers followed the suspect's escape path to the northeast end of campus, where they believe the suspect left campus and entered a wooded area.
	In that wooded area, investigators found a bolt action rifle wrapped in a towel.
	The rifle contained one spent round and three unspent rounds.
	This is consistent with the facts officers observed at the time of and immediately after the shootings.
	No shell casings were found on the roof, suggesting a bolt action rather than an auto-loading weapon, and only a single round was fired.
	Each round in the rifle contained an etched inscription as follows.
	The fired car cartridge was etched, no Tyses Bulge, OWO what's this.
	The second cartridge that was again not spent, the last three were not spent, were not fired.
	The second, hey fascist, catch with arrow symbols.
	The third cartridge, Obella Chow, Bella Chow, Bella Chow, Chow Chow.
	The fourth cartridge, if you read this, you are gay.
	The rifle, ammunition rounds, and towel were sent for forensic processing.
	DNA consistent with Robin with defendant was found on the trigger, other parts of the rifle, the fired cartridge casing, two of the three unfired cartridges, and the towel.
	Law enforcement was unable to immediately locate the shooter, so they published photos of the shooter from the UVU surveillance cameras and asked for the public's help to identify him.
	Meanwhile, law enforcement continued to try to identify the shooter through other means.
	The Washington County investigation.
	On the evening of September 11, 2025, as law enforcement continued their investigation, Tyler James Robinson went to the Washington County Sheriff's Office with his parents and a family friend to turn himself in.
	Robinson's mother stated that f the following to police.
	On September 11, 2025, the day after the shooting, Robinson's mother saw the photo of the shooter in the news and thought the shooter looked like her son.
	Robinson's mother called her son and asked him where he was.
	He said he was at home sick and that he had also been at home homesick on September 10th.
	Robinson's mother expressed concern to her husband that the suspect shooter looked like Robinson.
	Robinson's father agreed.
	Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro-gay and trans rights oriented.
	She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transit transitioning genders.
	This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and his father, who have very different political views.
	In one conversation before the shooting, Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk would be holding an event at UVU, which Robert Robinson said was a stupid venue for the event.
	Robinson accused Kirk of spreading hate.
	Robinson's father reported that when his wife showed him the surveillance image of the suspected shooter in the news, he agreed that it looked like their son.
	He also believed that the rifle that police suspected the shooter shooter used matched a rifle that was given to his son as a gift.
	As a result, Robinson's father contacted his son and asked him to send a photo of the rifle.
	Robinson did not respond.
	However, Robinson's father spoke on the phone with Robinson.
	Robinson implied that he planned to take his own life.
	Robinson's parents were able to convince him to meet at their home.
	As they discussed the situation, Robinson implied that he was the shooter and stated that he couldn't go to jail and just wanted to end it.
	When asked why he did it, Robinson explained there is too much evil and the guy referring to Charlie Kirk spreads too much hate.
	They talked about Robinson turning himself in and convinced Robinson to speak with a family friend who's a retired deputy sheriff.
	At Robinson's father at Robinson's father's request, the family friend met with Robinson and his parents and convinced Robinson to turn himself in.
	The family friend spoke to police and reported telling Robinson that it would be best if he brought all evidence with him to the sheriff's office to avoid police having to search his parents' home.
	The friend also asked Robinson if he had any clothes that were related to what he did.
	Robinson replied that he had disposed of the clothes in different areas.
	The roommate.
	Police interviewed Robinson's roommate, a biological male who was involved in a romantic relationship with Robinson.
	The roommate told police that the roommate received messages from Robinson about the shooting and pro and he did provide those messages to police.
	On September 10th, 2025, the roommate received a text message from Robinson which said, drop what you're doing.
	Look under my keyboard.
	The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note that stated, quote, I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I'm going to take it.
	Police found a photograph of this note.
	The following exchange, text exchange, then took place.
	After reading the note, the roommate responded, What?
	You're joking, right?
	Robinson.
	I am still okay, my love, but I'm stuck in Orim for a little while longer yet.
	Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I gotta grab my rifle still.
	To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age.
	I am sorry to involve you.
	Roommate, you weren't the one who did it, right?
	Robinson, I am I am, I'm sorry.
	Roommate, I thought they caught the person.
	Robinson.
	No, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in similar clothing.
	I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down.
	It's quiet almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering.
	Roommate, why?
	Robinson, why did I do it?
	Roommate, yeah.
	Robinson, I had enough of his hatred.
	Some hate can't be negotiated out.
	If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence.
	Going to attempt to retrieve it again.
	Hopefully they have moved on.
	I haven't seen anything about them finding it.
	Roommate, how long have you been planning this?
	Robinson, a bit over a week, I believe.
	I can get close to it, but there is a squad car parked right by it.
	I think they already swept that spot, but I don't want to chance it.
	Robinson again.
	I'm wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle.
	I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring back grandpa's rifle.
	I D E K if it's had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me.
	I worry about Prince.
	I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits.
	Didn't have the ability or time to bring it with.
	I might have to abandon it and hope they don't find Prince.
	How the F will I explain losing it to my old man?
	Only thing I left was the rapple was the rifle wrapped in a towel.
	Remember how he was engraving bullets?
	The F and messages are mostly a big meme.
	If I see notice bulge UWU on Fox New, I might have a stroke all right.
	I'm gonna have to leave it.
	That really eff and sucks.
	Judging from today, I'd say grandpa's gun does just fine, IDK.
	I think that was a two thousand uh a 2K dollar scope.
	Wink wink.
	Um Robinson, Robinson again, delete this exchange.
	Again, Robinson, my dad wants photos of the rifle.
	He says grandpa wants to know who has what.
	The feds released a photo of the rifle, and it is very unique.
	He's calling me, RN, not answering.
	Robinson, since Trump got into office, my dad has been pretty diehard MAGA.
	Robinson, I'm gonna turn myself in willingly.
	One of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff.
	Again, you are all I worry about, love.
	That came from Robinson, roommate.
	I'm much more worried about you.
	Robinson, don't talk to the media, please.
	Don't take any interviews or make any comments.
	If any police ask you questions, ask for a lawyer and stay silent.
	The search for Robinson's residence.
	Police executed a search warrant on Robinson's residence.
	During that search, police discovered a shell casing with etchings like the etchings found on the shells in the rifle near UVU.
	Police also found several target boards with bullet holes in Robinson's home.
	Now, as I stated in the beginning when I read those allegations, these are allegations.
	And like the evidence set forth in this statement, those allegations, what you've heard from the media, even from state and federal officials, has not been tested in the crucible of a jury trial.
	I understand the public's desire to know the facts.
	My own family members have pressed me for information.
	Why are we reluctant to share the details of the investigation itself and comment on the case?
	Because I want to ensure a fair and impartial trial.
	I became a prosecutor because of my love for the ideals of this great country and the principles embedded in our constitution.
	The free exchange of ideas and opinions is critical to this great American experiment, but so too are the protections afforded to the accused found in the Fifth and Sixth Amendments.
	The right against self-incrimination, the right to a speedy and public trial, the right to the effective assistance of counsel, the right to confront one's accusers, and the right to compel the attendance of witnesses.
	And perhaps most importantly, under our constitution, the accused is presumed innocent until we, the state, prove to an impartial jury of defendant's peers his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
	That jury cannot rely on our allegations, on what they hear in the news, or on what they hear from a public official.
	The jury is the sole trier of fact.
	And they will ultimately determine those facts based on evidence a trial judge has determined is admissible.
	Again, as prosecutors, we bear the burden to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
	But no, but make no mistake, we welcome this burden.
	I'd like to now introduce my trial to my trial team who will be charged with prosecuting the case.
	This is a veteran and expert team of some of the state's best trial attorneys.
	Chad Grunander, who is one of my two chief deputies, Ryan McBride and David Sturgell on the far right there.
	And those two were very much involved in preparing search warrants, did a phenomenal job, worked day and night to see that accomplished, well after he was Robinson was uh taken into custody.
	Also, Lauren Hunt, she is one of our special victims prosecutors, and Chris Ballard, my second chief deputy who will be handling motions.
	I'm going to explain just the procedural steps.
	Um we don't have a grand jury system like the federal courts do.
	It's it's a preliminary hearing system.
	So the arrest and filing of the criminal information are merely the first steps in the criminal justice process.
	Today at 3 p.m., the defendant will appear before a judge in the Utah Fourth District Court for his first appearance to be informed of these charges and to ensure that he has an attorney to represent him.
	The hearing will be brief.
	The judge will conduct that first appearance virtually via WebX.
	This is not unusual.
	In the Fourth District, all felony first appearances for defendants who are in custody are held virtually.
	A link to that hearing is available for media on the Utah State Court's X account at Utah State Courts.
	Now, following defendant's first appearance, he will be entitled to a preliminary hearing.
	At that hearing, the state will be required to show probable cause that defendant committed the crimes.
	The purpose of the preliminary hearing is not to determine guilt, but simply to assure the court that the prosecution has enough evidence to proceed to trial.
	If a judge finds probable cause and binds the case over for trial, an arraignment hearing will be held.
	At that hearing, a judge will again inform defendant of the charges against him and require him to enter a plea to each charge.
	The next step, the next step following the arraignment is an opportunity for the parties to file any relevant motions and then ultimately the trial itself.
	This case has generated a tremendous amount of interest across our nation and even the world.
	The public's desire for information is desirable is understandable, but it bears reiterating that this case will be tried in a court of law consistent with our Constitution, not the court of public opinion.
	Thus, we will only discuss with the press – discuss the case with the press occasionally.
	It will not be a day-to-day or even week-to-week occurrence.
	But we will only do so in a manner as not to jeopardize the fair trial process.
	Before I conclude, I want to express my pre appreciation for the tireless work of our local, state, and federal law enforcement officers.
	They have an extremely difficult, dangerous, and often often thankless job.
	I'm proud to acknowledge the exceptional work they do every day, and particularly their work on this case.
	Their skilled work and dedication have brought us to this point.
	I'm also grateful for the leadership demonstrated by Bo Mason, the Commissioner of the Utah Department of Public Safety.
	FBI Special Agent in Charge Rob Bulls, Utah County Sheriff Mike Smith, our local police chiefs, and Felice John Viddy, the acting U.S. attorney for the District of Utah.
	I'm also grateful for the support of our governor, Spencer Cox, and our attorney general, Derek Brown, who is standing behind me today, and has offered his support and resources as we proceed to trial.
	Finally, I want to thank our Utah County Commissioners, Amelia Powers Gardner, Brandon Gordon, and Skylar Beltran.
	They too have pledged to assist with the resources needed to successfully prosecute this case.
	I will now take a few questions.
	For questions, ladies and gentlemen, just really fast, if you could identify yourself and what are good.
	Okay.
	They are still looking into it's an undergoing investigation.
	So is that a possibility?
	I thought in there with CNN, the textbooks is the exchange with the roommate.
	Can you uh give us the census?
	Is that not even over several hours?
	Did it happen before?
	I I don't have that information.
	I know acknowledging that you made this decision to pursue it definitely independently.
	Did you hear it also in the Trump administration or Governor Fox's administration has working on these purches?
	Um I talked to officials from both administrations, but I was not pressured to make a decision.
	I I understood their feelings on it because it was in the news, but we didn't really discuss that.
	Mr. Gray, Gary Tenney with Fox News.
	Do you have any indication that transgender issues played a role in the motivations for this shooter?
	I I'm going to stick to what the I just stated in my public uh in my in our information.
	I I think that is pretty much set forth there.
	Mr. Gray Benwin's low Fox 13 News.
	Just asking, are you planning to file additional charges against anyone else in connection with this?
	Again, we don't have any information at this point of additional uh suspects, but I know that uh our our law enforcement agencies are continuing to follow leads.
	Mr. Grey, the FBI director today said that you are quote or the other people, a number of people are being investigated and interrogated.
	So it seems that there are people who might be up the boss.
	Yeah, I'm not I'm not sure that the suspect was a lone wolf, or could this be part of a I I can't comment on that.
	I'm not aware of all their investigation.
	just know that these agencies are continuing to investigate this case and follow all leads Um that's up to the feds.
	Um they have different charges and they're reviewing the evidence, and after they review the evidence in the law, they could file charges, but I I'm not privy to exactly what they're looking at.
	The governor previously said the roommate is cooperating, or could we see charges against the roommate?
	Again, I'm not prepared to answer that question.
	Is it unusual if I have local motivation every certain question?
	It's it's part of our code, and so we charge that.
	Is this a confession of text messages?
	Is that legally a confession?
	And is he cooperating since he's been making the customer?
	Ultimately, a judge will determine that at trial.
	And cooperation, as he spoke it off, as any cooperative.
	Again, I'm not going to comment on that.
	Any statement at all?
	Okay.
	What would you tell us about this out of time on the line that some say not line?
	I am not aware of that information.
	That's again still under investigation.
	And is he trust any or more so far about his own?
	I I am not going to comment on that.
	Is he continuing to not cooperate?
	I am not going to comment on that.
	FBI director has been way out of button in terms of presenting evidence to the public.
	Your team has been very circumstant, very measured in what we lay out.
	Is that hampered to investigation and no left to use the question?
	Well, as attorneys, we typically like to control that information to preserve an impartial uh jury and a fair trial.
	So hasn't been a good question.
	Uh I don't have that information.
	Can you tell us more about what the family may have said in interviews?
	Um what the family said is is what I uh provided.
	Do you have to uh do anticipate that the fact that it was trial without Utah County, and how will you follow up?
	That from where?
	From Utah County.
	That the defense will be from Utah County.
	I couldn't predict what they're going to do.
	Is that word and coincidence?
	Um that will be for a jury to decide.
	Are you commenting with part of this?
	Again, I'm not gonna comment on the evidence.
	Uh again, I'm not gonna comment on other than the facts that I or the evidence that we've gathered so far.
	Uh here in a press conference recognize the right of very far off.
	Uh I don't believe so.
	This is part of a public document that we have to file as we file a criminal information.
	We have to file a probable cause statement.
	That's a public doc document, and so we're comfortable with that.
	I'm not gonna comment on that either.
	What else can you say about that?
	Uh I I can't share any more than what I've already said.
	Do you have any evidence that he wet places to practice or have practiced and support a shooting that's giving insight and how we prepare?
	Um the evidence that I'm willing to share is what I just read in our statement, and it's in the in the information.
	Okay.
	Um, I'm not gonna comment on that.
	Okay, thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
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