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March 12, 2021 - Rudy Giuliani
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The Dark Underworld Of Sex Trafficking In The U.S. | Rudy Giuliani And Jaco Booyens | Ep. 119
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Welcome to another edition of Rudy's Common Sense.
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Episode 120.
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Today, we have someone coming back who we interviewed some time ago, and I thought it was one of the most interesting and compelling and important interviews I did.
It's with Jocko Boyens, and Jocko Boyens is many, many things, but I would say what he is is the person in the United States who singularly has done the most about sex trafficking.
Focusing on young people in particular.
Jaco has also produced some very, very riveting and excellent movies.
He has a ministry.
He does, well, he's a man who seems to be able to do 20 things at one time.
But if there's one thing that he's doing about which I think the future of our country rests, it's trying to get, first of all, An understanding of, and then secondly, ending the sex trafficking that goes on in the United States.
And I won't say much more because I have him say it, but the last interview was an eye-opener for me and for Dr. Ryan, who is my co-host on Sundays, you know.
And she talks about it every day.
So, Jaco, it's good to be with you, and thank you for coming back.
I know how busy you are.
Thank you for giving us this time.
Mayor, it's my honor to be with you, and thank you for your voice, for fighting for every American.
I appreciate you, truly.
Thank you.
So Jaco, I guess we'll just go right into it, because I'm going to probably take the first interview and play it right before this, so people know your background and your sister and all of the experiences you've gone through.
I guess the best thing to do is to bring us up to date where we are as a result of this terrible experience we went through, this pandemic.
It has to have made things, just that alone has to have made things much worse.
Yeah, the pandemic definitely escalated and elevated a crime that's hidden in plain sight, and it's poured gasoline on the fire.
My children were home, their time on devices, which is where predators profile them mostly, Went through the roof.
We saw over 150% increase in domestic sex trafficking during COVID.
President Trump did incredible work in the four years he was in the White House with us in the community to sign executive orders to really safeguard children.
It's about children.
And this is the most bipartisan issue in our country.
You know, you really got to check yourself as a man or a woman if you're not against the exploitation of children.
But the pandemic was a disaster.
In itself, but it was a disaster for trafficking.
Children became reclusive.
Child suicide, teen suicide, the highest in US history.
Teen depression is through the roof.
And now we're seeing the real collateral damage.
When children are trying to go back to school, it's almost like they've lost years in human interaction.
We were created by God to interact with human beings.
And the predators loved the pandemic.
Even before the pandemic, I remember our last conversation and some of the cases I know about personally, one of the prime things that the Predators focus on are isolated children.
Children who may be having a hard time making friends.
Children maybe who are being harassed and abused by other children.
Children who feel isolated.
So this must have been almost a gift to these animals.
All of a sudden, now, we create almost our entire young population isolated.
They got their pick of... Is that essentially what happened?
I mean, they just stepped up their efforts?
Absolutely.
Well, it's like sitting at a buffet.
And they just keep bringing food to you.
That's literally what happened.
And they look at human beings that way.
These are objects.
Unfortunately, what happened to the pandemic is we played to the predator.
It's so much so, Mayor, that there's a shift in this fight, a radical shift.
We used to track the pimp and go after the pimp and understand what the pimp is doing.
Today, the pimp is removed from the equation.
In many cases, the predator has direct access to the child.
And this is catastrophic because now that child in secrecy and quiet in his or her bedroom can self-exploit or fall subject or victim to a very skilled predator online that takes time to groom this child.
And we've normalized that kind of secret encounter on the phone.
Now, whether it's PlayStation or Xbox or a phone, it's now normal.
They go to school on their phone and online, and all of a sudden, Parents are not paying as much attention to what the children's doing because the activity is heightened.
It's more time on the phone.
It's more exposure.
And you're right.
The damsel in distress, the child with a father wound, the child without parents, the loner, the goth child that's trying to find his own identity.
Those are soft targets and it's catastrophic.
So when we're thinking of a predator, maybe we'll take this so that we give some help to people to notice this better.
When we're thinking of a predator, how do we describe one?
Is there anything that stands out that I look at this guy and that guy and that's a predator?
Because sometimes when I see these predators afterwards, when they were arrested, I read these stories.
He was the nicest guy in the community.
Everybody liked him.
I mean, is there anything that can distinguish them?
Yeah, it's so subtle.
It's an art form.
When we work with the FBI and train, this is a very, very difficult profiling method.
Because these guys, and women at times, but predominantly guys, they blend into society.
They work really, really hard to become the Little League football coach.
To become the scout captain at the Boy Scouts, as we've seen how they infiltrated the Boy Scouts.
So they've infiltrated society, unfortunately.
On the radical left, they've allowed that to happen by bringing policies and mechanisms into place where these folks can hide, normalizing sexual behavior and sexual talk with minors in the classroom.
All those things play to the hands of a predator because you're normalizing an abnormal behavior.
So there are ways to profile these guys, but they work very hard.
They're very subtle, Mayor.
They take time.
I always equate it to a young boy that goes on his first date with a girl.
He may attempt to hold her hand, but he's testing the water, testing the water.
This is how these predators work.
Now, who is potentially subject to becoming a predator?
Any man, male or female, any male who has lost control of his own sexual desires.
So pornography is a massive feeder here.
Now you're talking about, not that it's ever normal, but legal pornography.
Yeah, absolutely, because what it does is it preconditions the brain to normalize something that should be very private, to bring something into the public that's very private.
And now what we're seeing is the age gap is shrinking.
The average age of porn entry in the United States now is boys age 8.
So when you start sexualizing a boy with even just sex talk, what it does to a predator online, it pre-exposes that boy to sex talk.
So now it makes it a lot easier for a predator.
He skips past the hand-holding all the way through engaging.
Because the child is now predisposed, preconditioned to, well, adults talk to me about sex all the time.
And that's not normal.
It shouldn't be normal, but it is being normalized.
Therefore, the child falls prey so quick.
It's so rapid.
Mayor, we've got massive epidemics.
We've got a system at the moment.
We're unraveling.
We're 53 8th graders.
53 8th graders in one city have for three years shared sex videos of themselves with predators.
And they circulate it.
And it's in the community.
There's teachers involved.
There's police involved.
Because they've normalized sex.
So the children look at it as normal.
They engage in a behavior.
Then they get shamed.
They get threatened and all of a sudden they get ostracized in this cancel culture.
And so they stay silent.
But when you predispose a child, an eight-year-old brain, a five-year-old brain, to radical sexual conversations that most husbands don't have with their wives, the predator says, thank you, because he sees that child.
It's as good as you paint that child with a mark online, because there's a certain way a child talks about their family.
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Welcome back to the discussion. So, in essence, it's either the child is already conditioned
for this kind of talk or they do the conditioning.
But it would be similar, I think, to a lot of people growing up.
And first time you talked about sex with your parents, there was an embarrassment.
There was something children didn't talk about.
And the first time you did it, there was this barrier.
What you're saying is that barrier is now removed, removed much earlier, and removed because in classrooms, they will talk about sex at 7 and 8 years old?
I mean... Yeah, 100%.
The Comprehensive Sex Ed Movement, which was written by the World Health Organization, UNESCO, CICIS, which is a government body, and In Planned Parenthood, That organization wrote a manifesto on child sexuality for the world, and it's being embraced like wildfire in the US.
And those curriculums, a curriculum that's called, It's Perfectly Normal, which it's not, introduces things like anal sex to 10-year-olds in the classroom.
Conversations in the classroom.
Now, what happens when you do that?
What's the name of the program?
It's Perfectly Normal.
Okay, it's Perfectly Normal.
So I would finish that sentence by saying it's perfectly normal to teach people who are 10 years old about anal sex.
Correct.
And this is in the classroom.
This is the law in California.
If you go to a state school, this is what your child is being taught.
You cannot opt out because Gavin Newsom signed an executive order.
And there's many states.
We're fighting this in 13 states.
We're writing.
We're combating this.
It's spreading like wildfire, predominantly for what you just said.
The conversation about sex is a conversation between the parent and the child, and fathers predominantly have abdicated that position.
They've handed their son a book or never had the conversation, and now fathers are saying, I want the school to teach my son.
Well, that's all good and well.
If you understand who controls that curriculum, it is the radical left.
They are absolutely pushing your child to transgenderism, sexual fluidity, and experimentation.
And not just at 10, it's in kindergarten, Mayor.
Masturbation is being taught, discussed as a topic in kindergarten.
Experimentation is being encouraged.
In kindergarten, and here's what happens.
For instance, we have a case of a 10-year-old that's addicted to pornography.
This boy had inhibitions.
There was a barrier.
That barrier got removed by a single question.
A teacher asked whether anal sex is in his life or not.
That child had never heard the term.
He went home and he went on YouTube and typed in anal sex.
And if you do that, you can do it for yourself.
There's hardcore pornography.
Now we talk about a different issue where social media doesn't filter this stuff for children.
And that kid got hooked on porn because of a question that was asked in a classroom as part of a curriculum.
That's child endangerment.
It's reckless behavior.
Yeah, there was tremendous, tremendous value in making these subjects something you didn't talk about until The person, the child, was at an appropriate age so that they could absorb it, understand it, put it into a context.
I mean, kindergarten is frightening that you would introduce a child to pornographic literature in kindergarten?
Absolutely, yeah.
Down to, Mayor, I will send you some copies of these curriculums, down to slang words for genital parts.
Slang words for sexual positions to 10 year olds.
And in the bottom of the book says, we teach this so that children would understand their sexuality.
A child does not need to learn sexual positions and slang words to understand whether he's a boy or a girl or sexuality.
This is indoctrination.
It's by design, Mayor.
This is a movement towards destabilizing our culture.
The best way to destabilize a culture is to destabilize the youth.
If you corrupt a young mind with sex, Good luck to have that individual fight for his constitutional rights when he's 21, or vote any conservative value, or fight for his faith, or stand up for his faith.
That's a compromised human being.
So who are the organizations or groups that are most involved, you know, in an organized way in pushing this?
At the moment, the WHO, UNESCO, and the United Nations are pushing this worldwide and domestically, Planned Parenthood.
Planned Parenthood is absolutely involved in writing the curriculums.
In the curriculums, children are encouraged, if they have questions, to go speak to Planned Parenthood.
For instance, they are funneling, and it's all a funnel.
And then you layer over that at the same time, you know, any doctrine that's taught in the classroom that, you know, There's a racial divide, and if you're Caucasian, there's a problem, and it's induced racial speech.
All of a sudden, these young boys and girls don't understand up from down, but they do experiment.
And some of the suicide letters we've seen of teenagers, I want to say to the audience, this is so real.
We have a seven-year-old that wrote a suicide note and jumped off a building, okay?
So it's so real, and it's Worldwide, this is not just the U.S., because so goes the U.S., so goes the world when it comes to sexuality.
Hollywood is reinforcing it.
Netflix is embracing it in media, and they're normalizing it.
People are defending these cases, Mayor.
You have lawyers that lawyer up and say it should be normal.
So society is at a tipping point where we're about to either say enough is enough.
We're going to defend children in this country, bipartisan or Society is about to embrace sex with children.
We've got 13 plus states at the moment trying to lower their age of consent to 14.
Statutory rapists... How many?
14.
How many states?
13.
13 states want to make the age of consent 14 years old?
Yes, many have lowered it to 16.
But let me give you an example.
We fought for a decade to get ...rights and rules specifically to sex trafficking in all 50 states.
So in California, for instance, or Texas, 17 and under, the girl or the boy that's being sexually exploited, he or she is a victim.
We do not need to prove forced fraud, coercion.
Sure, sure.
It's what we used to call statutory rape.
Exactly.
But now what happens in that same state when you lower the age of consent to 16 or 14?
That changes it.
Now it's up to a judge to decide whether she gave consent or not.
It's insanity!
Now, what this says to me is, this has increased then, by the time the child gets to 13, 14, 15, 16, it's increased the population of children that would be available for exploitation and for involvement in sex trafficking in all of its various forms.
So, take us through, so, what do you mean by sex trafficking?
This predator lures this person to meet them, and then what happens?
About 25 formats of trafficking, and the most commonly known is kidnapping, and that's only 1% of the crime.
So the movie Taken, that's not the crime.
This is hidden in plain sight.
The most popular form of trafficking today is familial trafficking, meaning somebody that knows the child where there is a trust built in.
It's trafficking that child, meaning forcing the child to perform sex, sexual favors against their will for a monetary or a protection for food, for shelter.
This is why the foster children are so exposed.
The foster system is fully integrated with pedophilia, and that's trafficking physically.
Now, of course, some children are being kidnapped in this country.
Some children that are runaway are being trafficked across state lines.
Every truck stop is a hotbed.
All our main highways, Interstate 40, East to West Coast.
All these are trafficking lanes, but it's in the community.
This is where I want people to really understand what's going on.
It's in their community.
It's in their zip code.
Every denomination of job description have been arrested to this.
The janitor, the police chief, the sitting state US Senator.
Anybody and everybody we have seen engage in this act because it's sex.
It's a perversion.
And of course they do everything they can to hide it.
Of course.
And unfortunately, Mayor, this is not conspiracy.
They get protected.
If they have a name, if they're in the community, if they're in a Fortune 500 company.
No, no, I've seen that.
I've seen that very, very directly and dramatically.
But the reality is, It's very hard to profile them because they can be anybody, because you can inflict anybody, depending on their own morality and discipline and whatever.
And then, of course, once it happens, they're going to do everything they can to hide it.
And then they're going to have people that help them do that.
I'll give an example real quick.
18 teachers in the Dallas Independent School District are currently teaching, still teaching, after being caught in some sexual violation with a child.
We have 256 counties in Texas, we only prosecute sex trafficking in 10.
Why?
Why only what, Texas?
Why don't they prosecute sex?
We're the best in the nation.
Ken Paxton, Attorney General Ken Paxton will tell you out of 256 counties, the state went against Ken Paxton.
Ken Paxton himself said, I will prosecute every case myself, if I have to.
I'll come there and help him.
And they blocked him.
It's evil.
It's corrupt.
Texas?
Texas, sir.
If you said California, you'd be like, Texas?
And we're the best.
We have the best numbers.
Of course you are.
In prosecuting, right?
We have the best.
District attorneys are afraid of this.
I've had federal judges say... So why would a district attorney be afraid of it?
Who comes after him?
The left-wing groups?
Left-wing groups come after him with vengeance.
These are not easy cases to take to trial because you can't put the child on a witness stand.
So he's got to work on...
So here's what they do, Mayor.
If it's a sex trafficking case, they plead it down to illicit drugs, guns, or something else, a misdemeanor.
But they don't try the case for sex trafficking.
The victim doesn't get justice.
The perpetrator walks.
Or in the case of your state, I'm sad to say, New York, the governor and the mayor just let the predators literally walk.
They fingerprint them and they walk.
They don't even have to post bail.
I mean, it's horrible what goes on in New York, particularly in New York City.
It's a disgrace.
It should be a crime.
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I wanna ask you about the current situation.
So we have a situation at the border now, which I guess it's a matter of semantics as to whether you describe it as a big problem or a crisis.
Seems to me like it's a crisis.
Biden has made all these announcements that the border's gonna be open, people can have healthcare, Everybody's going to be released.
We're no longer going to do our asylum determinations in Mexico.
They're all going to come over into the U.S.
He said about everything you could possibly say that would encourage hundreds of thousands of people to come here.
I mean, just the mere fact that you can get health care, the whole world will come here.
He's doing it in the middle of a pandemic.
As far as I can tell, none of these people are checked for COVID.
While somebody is being locked up in their house and somebody's restaurant business is getting destroyed, hundreds of thousands of people coming off of Mexico, they don't have to wear a mask, they don't have to be tested, they can stand next to each other, they can kiss each other and hold each other.
How is it?
So this has to be.
Because the cartels control most of this trafficking.
They must be using some of this crisis.
It's an excellent way to increase human trafficking, because you have this big group to hide it.
How do you see that affecting the whole horrible epidemic you're dealing with?
The floodgates have opened, Mayor.
We're finding Hispanic children from Mexico in Portland, Oregon, all the way up.
Permeated the country, being trafficked.
Now you got to go track a child who doesn't have a birth certificate.
No one's looking for them.
And all of a sudden you come face to face and you find out this child was brought in by a mule.
The floodgates have opened.
And anybody that argues that with me, do not know what they're talking about.
This is an invitation for predators.
Children is the tool of choice to come across the border.
You ask CBP.
I work with them.
They see the same children coming three, four times across the border, bringing the individual across.
Where we had a system, where we had border patrol, border security, where we said, look, we need to make sure whether this child belongs to that parent.
Why?
To protect the child.
Anybody that tells you children were ripped from the arms of their parents, you have to profile.
You have to ask questions.
You've got to corroborate and make sure.
Why?
To protect the child.
Our data shows us the following, Mayor.
These caravans that are coming, 42% of those caravans are children under the age of 16.
This is a huge, huge problem.
We're going to see children being exported out of the U.S., trafficked internationally.
We're finding children that are not American citizens all the way up to the Canadian border at the moment.
And you can imagine what's happening in Texas.
Now, what do you think a predator is doing in the U.S.
at the moment?
He's saying, thank you, President Biden, for bringing my next supply to me.
That is what's happening today.
This is prima facie.
This is child endangerment.
Just marching a child 500 miles to the border, the country of origin should see that as child endangerment.
These children show up on the border malnourished, dehydrated.
Most of them with sexual disease have been raped.
We're not even talking about that.
You can't bring a case of strawberries from Mexico or tomatoes into the U.S.
without it being checked for E. coli and listeria.
But a child can walk across.
A predator can walk across.
COVID or not COVID.
Let's talk about all the other things.
Sexually transmitted diseases.
All the other things that could possibly happen.
And now we have Health and Human Services, which is one of the top agencies on the border.
Now we have the Health and Human Services dancing to the drum of a woman who's trans, or a man who's trans, who says we should give puberty blockers to three-year-olds.
This is who we're putting stewardship over our children in this nation to.
It's insanity.
Explain to our audience, what is a puberty blocker?
This is law in California at the moment.
So I'm going to use a name, Susie.
If Susie is three-year-old today in California, and she goes to her school and says, I think I'm a boy.
The parents lose sexual agency over that child.
That child is now entitled to a puberty blocker.
So this is what happens in California?
Absolutely, man.
It's the law currently.
That child then gets rights.
Now that child, Susie, who today says, I think I'm a boy.
Probably the previous week said, I'm Wonder Woman.
Children do this.
They don't know.
But now that child has the right.
Then CPS steps in.
Planned Parenthood steps in.
The parents lose sexual agency.
That child is now going to get a drug.
The most popular one is called Lupron.
Well, Lupron is a drug to treat prostate cancer.
I took it.
It sterilizes men.
I took Lupron for eight months as I was going through prostate cancer treatment.
I know all about Lupron.
It has a very, very good purpose.
It shrinks the prostate and allows you to contain the cancer so you can operate or radiate better.
So they give Lupron to children?
They give Lupron to the three-year-old.
It's going to block her puberty.
She's not going to have a normal menstrual cycle.
She's not going to have puberty.
She will not bear children.
She's going to be permanently sterilized.
Now, what happens when she's 17 and she says, you know what?
I was wrong.
I am a girl.
She's now sterilized for life.
The Children's Hospital in Los Angeles made parents sign a waiver, and the waiver says that this may cause permanent sterilization.
Why are they doing this?
Can you refuse to sign it?
Not in California.
That child has the right.
The three-year-old can trump, no pun intended, but can trump the parent's desire.
The parent's desire.
If the parent says, I don't want my child to have it, in California, that child three and up, This is the law and this is spreading through this country.
This is the law that Dr. Levine, who is trans, who is now the Deputy Secretary of Health and Human Services, is asking the federal government to step in and accelerate the program because they're not winning some of these battles in states.
You just had three states rule last week that we will not allow puberty blockers in our states for minors.
This is a real, real problem.
They're altering the life of that child, and they're doing it by design.
Well, how have you had to step up your efforts?
I would imagine the last year has been very, very challenging for you, Jaco, and your organization.
So tell us a little about your organization.
I mentioned it quickly at the beginning, but people should know it because this is the place to go to if you really need help.
Thank you, Mayor.
ShareTogetherNow.org, Share Together Now.
Why is it called Share Together?
We share the responsibility in this country to take care of our children.
It's a shared responsibility.
My neighbor's children, I'm supposed to be the eye and ears to protect innocence in this country, to protect rights, sure.
But ShareTogetherNow.org, and it's been the toughest year, but we had help from the White House.
For the first time in history, at least we had help.
But it was very tough because of the pandemic, because of children being treated in a reclusive manner, secrecy all of a sudden, not sharing with parents, not understanding human interaction is gone, everything happening online.
It's been a very tough battle to fight.
We've had to go back to guerrilla tactics, like how we used to fight trafficking when we had no intel, because all of a sudden, the big tech companies are doing nothing.
You know, the Jack Dorseys and the Zuckerbergs in the world.
They really don't care.
They don't.
This is not one of the things that you get thrown off the platform.
If you say that there may have been election fraud, you get thrown off the platform.
But if you give statistics and information about sex trafficking that might aid it, you're kept on.
100 percent.
20 million images of child pornography.
20 million.
This is sequestered by the FBI in 2020 alone.
Is Facebook doing anything about that?
Zero.
Zuckerberg pleaded the fifth when Marshall Blackburn questioned him in Congress.
Pleaded the fifth.
They don't care because they sell advertising and they need eyeballs to come and sex sales.
It's disgusting.
But our fight is very tough at the moment because we had some help in the White House.
Ivanka Trump, President Trump.
I was in that White House when he signed the executive order.
I'm honored to have the pen he signed it with.
That's gone, Meyer.
We have not heard a single word from the White House.
We, the community who fight sex trafficking, we, the community who served on special councils to the White House, there's not been a word.
The office that was generated inside the White House by President Trump specifically to protect children, that office is gone.
It's nowhere.
The funding appropriations is gone.
We're going to see special task forces dry up.
We're going to see border patrol agents in this country walk away from their job.
We're going to see people saying, I want to go into service, but not border patrol.
I'll rather go to a local police department.
This is a real, real crisis.
And the target here is children.
And it seems as if the philosophy, philosophy, if you can call it that, the thinking of the administration is that this direction we're going in, Of children's sexual identity being confused and changed, and even with the danger of more sex trafficking, they see this as progressive.
Absolutely.
Remember now, if you can get a parent to stand in agreement with you, that you can decide what their child does sexually, how hard is it going to be to convince them who to vote for?
It's not.
You go to the extreme.
You move culture.
To the extreme.
You desensitize people to a level that you push the limits.
What happened through COVID?
The limits?
How many rules and laws were broken?
How did you educate us as a nation, Mayor, on all the constitution violations that took place?
You took this country to school.
So they push the sexual issues so far that they will sterilize a child.
You're not going to have a hard time now getting that parent to fall in line with the leftist agenda.
We're becoming a subordinate.
With the socialist regime and all of a sudden forfeiting all their rights.
They've already given you their child.
This is the play.
So how do you, now as a group, what you need is to organize as many citizens as possible.
Absolutely.
And as many states, your allies now have to be the states that are sympathetic and understand what's going on.
The states that have resisted this radical, dangerous agenda.
Absolutely.
So you probably have allies there, like you mentioned, Ken Paxton.
That would be a natural ally.
Ken Paxton, Glenn Beck has really stepped up at the Blaze Network.
Glenn and I, we went to war.
The only victory in the history of the Comprehensive Sex Ed Movement, Mayor, worldwide.
This movement started in Europe, then Africa, US.
The only victory against Comprehensive Sex Ed was in Texas.
And I went to Glenn and said, Glenn, we've got to do a show just like this one.
And 6.5 million Texans responded and swung a vote, which was yes to a no vote to protect Texan children.
The power is always, as you know, going to go back to the people.
It's time for Americans to take power back to people.
And children, if we can't agree on that, then we're lost.
But most importantly, we have to make a child.
a higher risk profile to a predator. When a predator approaches a child, the child needs
to look like the child is high risk. I thought we were kind of on that road a bit with the
legislation about child pornography.
There was a period of time when that was being enforced pretty strictly.
You know, somebody, somebody, somebody would be caught with pictures of a 13 year old or 14 year old.
They would get appropriately arrested, prosecuted.
There was an attempt to try to trace it back to who did it.
Not always successful, but those efforts can at least, what you're telling me is that's kind of all over.
Absolutely.
Mayor, you had evidence in your hand.
You looked at Hunter Biden.
You had evidence in your hand.
Where did that go?
I'm going to tell you that story.
I was sitting at this desk looking at the hard drive.
I had gone through it three times and I hadn't seen this image.
But I had seen a disproportionate number of Borderline images of girls 15, 14, just too many that you would think an adult male would have.
But none of them crossed the line.
All of a sudden, some of them started to become Across the line.
And then we found one in a corner, which was completely, you know, exposing the parts you're not supposed to expose.
I believe the girl was 15.
I had with me my former police commissioner, Bernie Kerrick.
I said, Bernie, I think the law in New York is I have to turn this in.
Immediately.
He said, well, no, you don't.
You're not a public official.
I had two detectives come here who do this for a living.
In New York, and are excellent.
They said, Mayor, you don't have to turn it in, but because of who you are, do it.
Well, it took me two days to get the Delaware State Police to see me.
I gave it to them, because they're the local jurisdiction in charge of it, to protect the child.
The whole thing's been buried.
They gave it to the FBI, and nothing's happened.
Nothing has happened, because the name is Biden.
Because the name is Biden.
Absolutely, you have.
We have a responsibility to children to investigate.
But I want to encourage parents, if you see something, you must say something.
Absolutely you have. We have a responsibility to children to investigate.
Absolutely, right away.
But I want to encourage parents, if you see something, you must say something. But fathers
must engage and have...
If you see something, bring in the experts.
Sometimes it actually has an innocent explanation.
Somebody hacked it in.
Somebody put it in.
The kid didn't know.
Sure.
But, you know, if you stop it there, it doesn't go any further.
The child all of a sudden realizes there's something wrong here.
And a lot of children will be impressed by that.
But if you just let it go, then the next one and the next one and the next one, I'm sure that's how they bring them in.
Absolutely, and Scripture tells us a little leaven spoils the whole batch.
You know, bad company corrupts good morals, and we have to bring an awareness to children, a real talk.
We live in a different time, Mayor, to tell a child... It's hard for us at my age to adjust to it, but I'm trying to.
I know, I know, I can imagine.
I talk to my children.
I talk to my children who don't have children yet, but expect to, and we talk a lot about how much more challenging it's going to be for them than it was for me.
How many more things they're going to have to deal with?
So, getting near the end, I want you to tell us how we can help you.
Because this is something that Jocko has done more about than anyone.
But he can't do it alone, because he needs— you need information, you need people, you need money, you need the whole thing.
More now than the last time I talked to you, where you had a White House that was sympathetic.
So what, give me a couple of practical things, because people will be listening to this and they'll be saying, how can I, what can I do about this?
What can I do about this?
Thank you, sir.
I want them to engage.
Go to our website, sharetogethernow.org and educate themselves on what to look for.
Number one, what are certain tendencies, child behavior, when a child is under duress, how do they behave when a child's being approached by a predator or a child's keeping a secret, a sexual secret?
What does a predator look like?
They can educate themselves there.
They can volunteer in their communities with our organization.
Of course, we need finance.
They can give.
They can follow me on social media.
I only use social media to fight sex trafficking, period.
Every platform we have, we fight for America's children.
We do need them all across this country.
We will send them to local...
Local constituents where they can take hands with local law enforcement or local chapters to keep their own community safe.
I'm asking people to fight for their own community.
So what would be the primary social media they should go to?
At the moment, Instagram.
And we recently launched a brand new social media platform purely to fight sex trafficking.
And that social media platform is called Free Space Social.
One word.
Free space, social.
Free space, social, dot?
On the App Store, they can go to free space, one word, and then social.
They can download it on Android or Apple, and they'll see in the Terms of Service.
It's the only social media platform.
In the Terms of Service, we state zero tolerance to pornography, zero tolerance to pedophilia, child sexual exploitation.
Upscene material, lewd material, no one else will do it.
So they can download an app called Free Space Social.
Absolutely.
On either Android or iOS.
That's right.
And also they can go to Instagram.
And what do they look for there?
Instagram, look for my name, Jaku.boyens, J-A-C-O dot B-O-O-Y-E-N-S.
And that whole channel is to educate communities across this country for things that are coming to their community.
Battles that they should be aware of because a lot of these laws, Mayor, get passed in the midnight hour when the public wasn't aware and no one could show up to vote against it.
So we bring awareness and say, look, Portland, Oregon, this is happening.
You need to know they're going after your child's school curriculum or Dallas, Texas, or upstate New York, Rochester, wherever it is.
So that channel is there to bring information and power to the parents so that they can fight, that they're not late to the fight.
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So when they come to you on Jocko Boyens on Instagram, or they download the app Free Space Social, and they have a problem in Seattle, Washington, or Baltimore, Maryland, or wherever, New York, you then assess it and you put them in charge with somebody local?
Absolutely.
We take action immediately.
We help.
We educate.
We work in cases right now where we're looking for lost children, for instance, or we're trying to retrieve children from being placed with the wrong parent through foster care, etc.
But we help them.
We connect them with local organizations.
Sometimes they need victim services.
Sometimes it's a child that's already found, already home, but is traumatized, unimaginably traumatized, and now needs real trauma-informed services.
We provide services.
We work with law enforcement.
We put people on cases.
I just helped write five bills for five different states, Mayor, to change legislation in states.
So there's so many ways people can take hands with us.
And how do they make a contribution to you?
On our website, SharedTogetherNow.org.
It's easy to make a contribution.
SharedTogether.org.
SharedTogetherNow.org.
And it's tax deductible.
Yes, sir.
Good.
Because this is a very, very worthy, very worthy cause.
And you're not doing it single-handedly.
You have a lot of help, I know.
That's right.
But you could use a lot more because the problem is beyond any one person or any one organization.
And it's critical because it's about our future.
Anything about our children is about what kind of America we have 20 years from now.
And the thing I always try to emphasize is Even if this is not happening to your child, if it's happening to other children, and we don't get a handle on it, we're going to deteriorate America.
And what kind of country is your child going to grow up in?
So you shouldn't feel like, well, my child's fine.
The America your child is going to grow up in is being seriously damaged by this.
It could be a different country if all of these things happen.
I mean, who's going to defend us?
There's a whole issue about are we losing masculinity in America?
I mean, who are the people that go up the hills and get shot and killed in order to protect us against terrorists?
And well, whatever, Jocko, you're doing God's work.
We'll be checking in more often.
And anytime you've got a message to get out, anytime you want to campaign or whatever, I'm happy to join Glenn Beck or anybody else in doing that.
It'd make me feel good if you included me.
Thank you, Mayor.
It'd make me feel like I'm doing something that God put me on the earth to do and not something that's ambiguous, okay?
Mayor, thank you and your whole team.
Christian, the whole team, you're amazing.
I appreciate you so much.
God bless you.
Well, we believe very strongly in what you're doing, Jaco, and God bless you.
Thank you, sir.
We're lucky to have you.
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