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Feb. 24, 2021 - Rudy Giuliani
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WE MUST ASK THIS QUESTION About The Pandemic | Rudy Giuliani | Ep. 114
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Hello, this is Rudy Giuliani.
Welcome back to Rudy's Common Sense.
Today we're going to ask a question, and I'm going to propose an answer, but I'm not sure I completely know the answer to it, so I really would like you, after you get a chance to listen to this, I'd like you to send to me your responses, and then maybe in future time we'll discuss those, because this is a pretty complex subject, and here's what it is.
As I reflect this year, as I am going to do quite a few times, on the 20th anniversary of September 11, 2001, which will be the latter part of the year, I keep going back to, what's different?
What's changed?
Anything improved?
Things worse?
Did we learn anything from it?
Here's one that is obvious, I think, to everyone.
After September 11, For quite some time, this was a much more united country.
Much, much more.
We had a single purpose.
We seemed to be united in that.
Bipartisan politics left for a while.
There was a great deal of waving of American flags and wearing of American buttons.
I had close relations with Republicans and Democrats to try to get the help that I needed for the city and received equal amount of help from both.
There were minor criticisms, maybe a little bit of criticism of Bush, a little criticism of Clinton in not figuring out bin Laden earlier or possibly Bush the same, but they were very, very minor.
There was worry about a backlash against Against Arabs and Muslims.
And, you know, we had special forces, police forces, that dedicated to that for 10 days and had very, very few incidents.
I was very proud of the people in New York.
I asked them to do that on the first night.
We did some enforcing.
I never believe in just leaving it to chance.
But after about a week or 10 days, Commissioner Carrick, Bernie Carrick, told me, we got about 100 cops doing this.
They're not picking up very much, a little language here and there, but nothing serious, thank God.
So we were really united.
Now we have this pandemic.
It's, I guess, the worst thing that's happened to us since September 11.
I believe they're equivalent in magnitude, different but equivalent.
And instead of the unity under this great plague that's been visited on us by a foreign power, instead it causes political division, ethnic division.
It's not seen as an attack.
It's not seen as our having a common purpose.
I mean, we're so much more disunited.
We're disunited.
We weren't disunited at all after September 11.
Now, there are many reasons for that.
There are differences.
I mean, both were once-in-a-lifetime attacks that we never expected.
Both were events that define your life in many ways.
Everybody remembers where they were on September 11.
Everybody will remember the pandemic.
But one united us, the other divided us.
Well, the political differences and divisions are greater.
They're much more acute.
They're much more radicalized, and everybody's in more of a camp.
This wasn't seen as an attack, even though it was.
It wasn't accepted as an attack by the Chinese Communist Party on the U.S., if not a deliberate one, one where they took advantage of negligence and spread it around the world.
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Thank you for returning and helping me think this out.
So, here we have an attack from a foreign source, 9-11, September 11.
An attack from a foreign source, religiously warped view to kill Americans.
They attempted to destroy the U.S.
symbolically, really.
They tried to destroy our financial center, our political center.
They tried to destroy our spirit.
They were hoping that they would show what weak people we were.
And what happens?
The firefighters stand up there the first day.
They put the flag on the ground.
Looks just like Iwo Jima.
To me, it says these people have the same strength their grandfathers and fathers and relatives had.
They can fight for America.
America's there.
America's back.
By that night, I was already there that America could handle this.
Within hours, if not a day, people were seeing their connection as Americans.
People were saying, we're like our forefathers.
We've got the strength.
This isn't the worst thing that can happen.
It's not the worst thing that can happen to us.
Worst happened to the people of London.
Worst was happening to the people of Israel.
If they can get through it, we can get through it with the help of God.
With the help of God, with the help of the Almighty.
We're going to prevail.
Pandemic, almost the opposite.
It was, um, worst experience ever.
Uh, we didn't know how long it was going to take.
We didn't know how many were going to die.
We, we, we didn't seem to have that sense of hope that we could get through it.
There was no sense that, I mean, okay, this was a plague, but human beings have faced plagues before and come through it.
Why are we feeling so sorry for ourselves?
A lot of people have gone through a lot worse than this pandemic, either in ancient times or olden times or even modern times.
It's taken the lives of half a million Americans and millions around the world.
It's terrible.
It closed America and much of the world for four or five months.
Almost completely, and then sporadically for another long period of time.
And beyond those dead from the virus, it's left incalculable millions who've died from the collateral consequences of the shutdown.
People who committed suicide, people who weren't treated for diseases, people who didn't care for themselves.
People that starved.
And then, of course, a tremendous amount of mental and emotional illness.
More calls to suicide hotlines than ever before.
It interrupted critical education in ways that, I don't know, we know how it will harm us.
Is it worse than September 11, 2001, or not?
I don't know.
It's impossible to measure.
But what clearly is worse was the reaction.
Our first reaction was not defiance.
There were no firefighters putting a flag up and saying, you can't beat us.
You can't take our spirit.
You wanted to take our spirit?
We're Americans.
We fought a revolution.
We fought a civil war.
We fought two world wars to free other people.
We defeated Russia, the Soviet Union.
We liberated Eastern Europe.
And we got through September 11.
And we got rid of a lot of Islamic extremist terrorism, including ISIS and bin Laden and Soleimani.
We're tough people.
If others can do it, we can do it.
Others have been attacked.
They got through.
We can get through.
Same thing with the plague.
Plagues go back to the Bible.
People survived.
Instead, doom, gloom, no hope.
There are a lot of reasons again for that.
I don't propose that this is the only reason, but I'm going to ask you, I'm going to ask you if you don't think this was a very important reason, and one that Had a lot to do with the voices of pessimism and doom and defeat and death and fear and submissiveness.
And government taking total control and then becoming dictatorial and abusive.
Please tell me if you think this is part of it.
We left God out Who are we?
The minute you bring God in, the minute you reflect, pray, think, meditate about God, two things happen.
Immediately, you realize how small we are in the big universe created by God.
But second, you also realize how important we are because we're his children and we're made in his image and likeness.
And he's given us life and he's given us wonderful things.
And because he loves us and because he wants us to make our own decisions and have individuality, he gives us free will.
But he's never let us down.
He never let America down.
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Thank you for returning to this weighty subject.
We didn't.
We didn't bring God into this.
From the first moment of September 11, we brought God into it.
From the first moment we asked for help from the Supreme Being because this was beyond us.
When I first saw a man jump out of the 100th floor of the Twin Towers is when I realized how catastrophic this was.
And I grabbed the arm of my police commissioner, Bernard Carrick, and I said, Bernie, this is way beyond anything we've ever experienced.
We are going to have to just use our intuitive abilities, and then we're going to have to pray to God that we're right.
And I must have said that to myself and others any number of times.
They asked me, how did you get through?
So I made decisions and then I said a little prayer.
I said, Dear God, this is beyond me.
You know I'm doing my best.
Please make it come out right.
I reflected that to people.
I talked about it to people, but not just me.
So did everyone.
Priests, ministers, rabbis were on television, on radio, imams.
We had a beautiful service, a beautiful service.
At Yankee Stadium, in which we had priests, rabbis, imams, ministers, religious people of all types.
Oprah Winfrey presided.
Then we had other religious services throughout.
And then, of course, we had the masses and the services.
The grueling, difficult, sad funerals of those young men, mostly, and women.
who gave their lives to save others, who now left behind one child, two children, three children, four children.
They were mostly Christian Catholic services, but there were Protestant services and Jewish services and Muslim.
Reminded us each day that the men and women who sacrificed themselves that day, the ones who did it deliberately, We're guided by God.
We're brought up in a religious tradition.
We're brought up with a man can do nothing greater than give his life for another man.
Or a woman can do nothing greater than they give her life for another woman or man.
That was taught to them when they were little children.
Taught to me when I was a little child.
And when you went to the mass or the religious service, It was written in the service.
You could hear it in the service.
So there was something higher and greater and bigger about this.
Somehow God was not called on.
He was not called on.
It started.
We seemed to be cooperating with each other.
I distinctly remember what I told you before, the Cuomo, Newsom and Murphy comments praising Trump.
Newsom warned himself that he might get in trouble.
I guess he was prescient, right?
Because I think there came a point at which somebody said, you better stop building this guy up.
There won't be an election if you keep explaining what a good job he's doing.
And then they turned to political.
And it was an attempt to blame Trump for everything.
He was responsible for all the deaths.
But you know what happens immediately when you bring God in, when you pray and you bring God in?
The minute you bring God in, you bring hope in.
The minute you reflect on God, hope, hope comes in.
You're not alone.
There's a purpose to this.
Maybe you can't figure it out, but there's a purpose to it.
I remember during September 11, three nights into it, being at the police academy, and being very, very, just really, really... I thought I was having a heart attack.
I wasn't, but I thought I was.
It was probably just tension.
And I went for a walk.
It's kind of strange because I was walking through Peter Stuyvesant Village, big, big complex in New York and some people, not many people out, but some people saw me and they thought it was weird to see the mayor walking around with, and the security guys were pretty far behind.
And I walked over to the river and I prayed to God and I said what I said before, you know, God, I don't know The answer to all these things.
I'm trying to give the best answers possible, but I need you to follow through and get it right for me.
And then I prayed to Jesus and I asked Jesus if he would intercede.
And then I think he answered me.
I looked at the river.
I looked at the East River.
I said, my goodness, this has been here since the time Hudson, Verrazano.
The one over on the other side is the Hudson River that goes all the way up into Canada.
This one you can connect to the Hudson River all the way up into Canada.
They fought the Revolutionary War along this river.
Or the one next to it.
And I look at the city, I said, it's going to be here tomorrow.
And we're going to have to be here tomorrow.
If it's going to be here tomorrow, we have to be here tomorrow.
We have to be here with strength and with hope and with purpose.
We've got to tell people the truth.
But the truth is we're going to get out of it.
The truth is that we can unite over this.
And I guess for other people that don't believe in God, they may find other ways to that.
But for most people, For most people, they need supernatural help to get there.
And not only did we not bring God in, in some ways, we shut God out.
In some ways, there was almost an aggressive attitude to shut him out.
This came during the holy season.
Holy season for Jews, holy season for Christians.
And normally, I would go to Palm Sunday And I would go to Good Friday and Easter, as many Catholics and Christians do.
Canceled!
And same thing for the Jewish holidays.
Canceled!
And everybody just went along, like sheep being led to the slaughter.
I mentioned to my co-host of Uncovering the Truth, Dr. Maria Ryan, did she think it was strange that We were doing this, just going along, and there seemed to be big rites that were being taken away and interfered with, and there should have been some accommodation, and she felt the same way, and didn't realize until later how serious that was.
But it wasn't only that we ignored God, whereas during September 11, God was very much there, and the event itself brought God in because of the funerals.
Maybe the religious nature of the attack.
I'm not sure.
I don't think so.
It could be.
Maybe the fact that it was an attack.
But this was an attack also by the Chinese Communist Party, either deliberate or negligent.
I believe negligent.
But in any event, they let people travel all around the world to spread it.
But somehow, somehow the left had taken over so much that It was like the beginning of the censorship that then marked the rest of the year.
You couldn't say that.
You couldn't tell the truth.
I mean, I call it the CCP virus because I like to tell the truth.
Chinese Communist Party virus because I don't blame it on the Chinese people, blame it on the Chinese Communist Party who subject the Chinese people to torture.
But God was kept out of this.
Then, not only were the churches closed down during their most important days, there's something about a congregation that is at the core of the Christian religion and the Jewish religion.
You know, you have to have a minion to have a Jewish service.
I mean, a congregation goes back to the early days of our religion.
The Christians worried about the Romans killing them.
Gathering in the catacombs, the sewers!
Gathering in the sewers!
And saying what was the early ancient Christian Mass.
And celebrating as their founder, their God, told them.
Celebrating the last meal, the last supper, that became the Roman Catholic Mass and the Protestant religious service.
They were together, being together, frightened that they're going to be fed to the lions.
Imagine how fearful that was.
Had to be a little more fearful than COVID or CCP virus.
But they held each other's hands.
They prayed to a greater power.
And they realized there was a purpose for them in life.
And when they went to their death, the ones that did, they went so bravely, so resolutely, with so much hope, that they created the largest religion in the history of the world.
And I remember the history of religion better than I do most things.
Early Christianity was not established by armies taking over places.
It wasn't established by militaristic attack.
It wasn't established by bribery.
It wasn't even established by great preaching, although Paul and Peter wrote some beautiful epistles.
It was established by example.
I remember as if it was yesterday in one of my ancient history classes, reading about the Romans saying, there must be something about these people.
They love each other so much, and they don't fear death.
Wow!
So what did God do for them?
God gave them hope.
And they were able to get through their plague, their September 11.
Their fear of being murdered, martyred, loss of their child, loss of their husband, loss of their father, loss of their brother, they were able to get through it with the hope that God had a plan for them.
And it gave them strength.
It gave everyone else strength.
It gave an example to change the world.
Did they serve a purpose?
They sure did.
As I said, It's the largest religion in the world and in the history of the world.
And it started with the Roman Empire trying to eliminate it.
Like the Islamic extremists tried to eliminate the hope of our country.
And the Chinese Communist Party attempted to do damage to the rest of the world because damage is gonna be done to them.
But we can overcome that with the help of God.
It's not too late.
It's not too late to bring God into what we're gonna need to do to get through the rest of this pandemic.
And never let this happen again.
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Thank you for returning and I really look forward to your comments on this because I'm putting out a question
more than giving an answer today.
2020, 2020.
2020 was a very difficult year for many reasons, but it was the worst, worst year for the First Amendment.
It was the worst year for our basic God-given rights.
They've never been crushed more.
They've never been ignored more.
They've never been violated more.
Freedom of religion.
Look, it went from no services to, oh, you couldn't have services, but you could have a business, and you could have a strip place, but you can't have a church.
And then when they finally relented and had a church, you had to have less people in the church than in the business or the strip joint.
Well, the Supreme Court and the courts have a lot to say about that.
And they did away with the discrimination against religion.
So now religion has to be treated the way you treat a business.
I don't think that's right, though.
There's no amendment in the Constitution that says government can't interfere in a business.
Right at the very top of our Bill of Rights.
Right at the very top.
Freedom of speech.
And government can't interfere in the free exercise of religion.
These are protected rights.
These are special rights.
These are the rights that make America unique.
They're entitled to more deference.
They're entitled to more protection.
If you can have half a business, you should be able to have more in a church.
Churches and businesses should not be equated.
Businesses are not constitutionally protected.
Religion is.
Free speech is.
I'm not going to get into what they did to our free speech this year with the iron curtain of censorship over the hard drive, the iron curtain of censorship over the election.
I'm going to leave you with this thought.
First of all, I want you to ponder whether you agree with me.
And then I want you to ponder the following, because this takes a lot of thought, and I don't want to make a charge.
I want to raise a question.
Could this possibly have something to do with Marxism?
And the fact that for a long, long time, there have been people in our society trying to eliminate God, because one of the core principles of Marxism is that God is the opiate of the people.
And those of us who believe in God are stupid.
We're subjected to being controlled because we believe in God.
It's used by the ruling class to subjugate the weak-minded.
And when you read editorials in our elite newspapers, you can see that they have intellectual disdain.
It's not even moral disdain for those of us who believe in God.
That comes out of Marxism in the 19th century.
And it invades more than most philosophies, socialism and liberalism, because of the connection between a lot of the theories of both.
If you want a modern example, you look at the Black Lives Matter movement, organized by two very, very proud, very well-trained Marxists.
And there you have the wanting to eliminate God, God is a God, eliminating fathers, the whole Marxist agenda.
It's very close to many of the things that are being espoused by the political party that won the election.
The elimination of God, I mean, there was a time in which the Democrats eliminated God from their platform.
And then when they put it back, people booed.
We can't ignore the fact that we have an aggressive attempt in this country to eliminate God.
There's no justification for that in our Constitution, which does say you can't establish a religion, but then does immediately say you can't interfere with the free exercise of religion.
There's a lot of justification for it in the history of Marxism, Socialism, Liberalism.
In the idea that, you know, you're dumb if you believe in God.
So, I'd like you to ponder, did we keep God out of the pandemic?
Did that hurt us because it deprived us of hope?
And was there something deliberate about it?
Because, you know, by the time we get from 2001 To 2020, there's been an awful lot of damage done to religion during that period of time.
Awful lot of assault on religion that period of time.
And have we let it get beyond where it should be?
And is it time for us to stand up for our rights?
For our freedom of religion?
To bring God back in to catastrophic events in particular, and to make certain that no one ever, ever, again, takes away our free exercise of religion or our right of free speech.
They come from God.
Please respond.
I need your help in thinking this out.
I think it has a lot to do with where we are.
Maybe it has a lot to do with the solutions to where we are.
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