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Feb. 19, 2021 - Rudy Giuliani
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CANCEL CULTURE: Return Of The Salem Witch Trials? | Rudy Giuliani and Mike Lindell | Ep. 113
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Welcome.
Rudy Giuliani again with another edition of Rudy's Common Sense.
And today's edition is going to focus on a phenomenon that has been around for some time, but it is now beginning to move us into totalitarian territory, into territory in which our rights are being crushed, in which people are finding their lives destroyed and their businesses destroyed.
And their families in situations where they can't be supported.
What I'm talking about is the movement that is generally called Cancel Culture.
It's been criticized heavily by Barack Obama, I might add.
It's been criticized very heavily by President Trump, who sees it as a movement toward totalitarianism.
And recently there was an excellent criticism of it by Congressman Jim Jordan.
So it isn't as if there aren't voices out there warning about the dangers of it.
But it's beginning to become, I hate to use this word because we use it overly, but epidemic in proportion.
I mean, you just never know when it's going to break out.
Let's go back a little bit to the basics so we know what we're talking about.
The definition of cancel culture, which I guess has changed over time is, but I mean, the word cancel simply means to end, to make something null and void, to void something, to wipe it out.
You know, you cancel a subscription, you wiped out that magazine, no longer in your life.
When we talk about canceling a person, It starts to get very questionable, right?
When you say we cancel a person, well, I guess if it's a person that we support, we're canceling our support.
If it's a person who's a friend, that means we're not going to see them again.
It reminds me of old-fashioned, very judgmental families that would disown their children, cast them out of the tribe.
That kind of action.
I think it probably goes back to that in our genetic history, that we would have these exclusion processes in ancient society.
We certainly had them in some of the very rigid religious societies.
Somewhere in the 1990s, maybe late 1980s, it kind of entered our Our usage, first as jokes, and a lot of it was just joking around about the way people dressed or looked or appeared.
And then all of a sudden, it started to get focused on something serious, on racism and remarks that people would be made that were racist.
And you'd say, well, when you start that, maybe that's not so bad.
But two things happened that moved into how it became very, very damaging.
One thing is, who determines that the word is racist, or the meaning was racist, or it was intended that way?
I mean, some are very clear, and some of the first ones are very clear.
But some of the later ones, where a teacher uses a Chinese word That sounds like the N word, but in China means something else.
And he gets fired from a great university.
Something from, you know, combating racism to insanity has happened, right?
We've gone to the, what?
Aristotle or I think it was, no, no, no, no.
Plato in his logic called reductio ad absurdum.
Every argument can be reduced to the absurd or taken to the absurd.
There you go.
So in the 1990s, it started off focusing on racism, focusing on discrimination, got a lot of support as a result of that.
The Me Too movement kind of is a form of a cancel culture movement also with starting off again with a lot of good purposes.
And then it started to get out of control because it has very, very significant dangers in it.
Who makes the judgment that the person violated the rules, right?
Who makes the judgment as to what the rules are?
And then how far do you go when you cancel someone?
Do you just point out what they said and that it's wrong and that people shouldn't pay attention to it or people should evaluate it?
Or do you go much further than that and try to destroy them?
Try to get them fired?
Try to get them harassed in restaurants?
Try to get them harassed at home?
Try to get them threatened?
Try to get their children threatened?
How far do you go with it?
And aren't those things that then verge over into vigilante justice?
I mean, those remedies end up being remedies for government after very, very significant proof.
That there is a valid law that was violated that takes years to develop, and that it was violated intentionally, and that it deserves a certain punishment that has to be balanced with the degree of the wrong and the good the person did in their lives.
So these people have become people who are carrying out vigilante justice.
They're a cop, they're a prosecutor, they're a judge, they're appellate judge, And they're the executioner.
One person or one group.
They make up the rule.
You can't say this.
They then prescribe the punishment.
You're cancelled, which means you're not just no longer allowed to come to the club meeting.
You can't have your job.
You can't have another job.
You can't make a living.
You can't associate with people.
You and your family will be harassed when you try to do that.
These are enormously significant punishments that are imposed for, even if the person said something really bad, bad, bad, bad, for that person's exercise of the right of free speech.
So this has got to be looked at.
It's got to be looked at because it did get out of control.
And there was a period of time in which it calmed down somewhere in the mid 2000 and Let's say more like about 2009 to 2013-14, it kind of calmed down.
And some of that might be the fact that President Barack Obama found it ineffective and dangerous, to his credit.
But then in 2020, it just shot up again, maybe because of the election.
All of a sudden we have the Washington, Washington Redskins can no longer be the Washington Redskins.
Every Confederate, anything torn down.
And then it went beyond that to Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, Columbus, Teddy Roosevelt, United States Grant, and many, many more statues taken down.
Any expression of admiration for them, you would get cancelled.
I mean, these are very, very, in some cases, fallacious judgments, completely erroneous judgments by people who set themselves up as God and jury.
Focused attacks on administration officials, starting with Maxine Waters saying, harass them, go after them, do everything to them.
And of course, we know about Sarah Huckabee Sanders being thrown out of a restaurant.
I know of many administration officials who never brought it up, who had terrible things happen to them, their mail not being delivered, dead animals put on their porch, being yelled at in the streets.
From the day I took on the defense of Donald Trump, I've been harassed consistently.
The letters that I get are... I don't even want to describe them.
I get harassed in the streets.
I do get a lot more positive attention, I'll tell you.
But I do get some very vicious people.
I get threats.
I've had trouble with my law firm, as you know.
I've had trouble with some clients.
A lot of people that were my friends before aren't my friends, and the things they write and say about me are about 80% untrue and exaggerated.
And their purpose is real simple.
In my case, I'm going to be very modest.
I was, without any doubt, probably the best spokesman for President Trump.
I took his impeachment from, most people want him impeached, to the majority of people didn't want him impeached.
Because I defended him, not just in front of Mueller, in which we eviscerated Mueller, But I defended him in the court of public opinion, which is where they were really trying him, and I turned it.
And they resent that mightily.
And they go after me in every way possible.
I'm being investigated now by just about every agency that Biden has.
It's all bull.
I can't say the second word.
Investigate me forever.
You're not going to find a damn thing, except when you finish, pay me the damages that you did to me.
Like four or five million dollars.
So now we'll take a short break.
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I mean, what has happened is cancel culture has become not what it could be if it were benign, which is point out something you disagree with.
Explain why you disagree with it.
Let them explain it.
Let the public decide.
This has become don't let them explain it.
And Mike Lindell, who we will hear from, makes the best case of this possible.
They cut him off.
You can't hear him.
And even worse than that, they're attempting to destroy him.
They're attempting to destroy his business.
They're attempting to destroy his drug rehabilitation center.
They're attempting to put pressure on him.
They hope they can break it.
This is a cruel, vicious movement, and when the president says it is veering toward totalitarianism, it's become totalitarianism, ignored because it's serving the purposes of the left wing, which wants to take over not just what you do and how much money you spend and how much money you have.
They want to take over what you think and what you get to say.
Thank God we have people like Mike Lindell.
It isn't just that he has the resource to do it.
A lot of people with resources have backed down to them.
Because he's got the courage to do it, and he's got the religious faith to do it.
And he has turned a lot of minds.
And all I ask you to do, without suggesting what you should decide, you watch Absolute Truth.
And you let me know.
rudyscommonsense.com Communicate with me.
Let me know.
Let me know if it was a good piece, a bad piece, you thought he's crazy, you thought he's on the money, you thought he's being treated horribly, but listen to it yourself.
Don't listen to it with my opinions in mind, his opinions in mind, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, all my friends, or Barack Obama, or Joe Biden.
In the United States of America, are your own person.
Don't let them push you around.
Don't let them take your mind away from you.
Don't let them take your critical thinking ability away from you.
Anytime they're preventing you from hearing something, there's a reason for it.
And the reason is, it's going to be powerful.
So let's go talk to Mike.
He's got a really good story to tell.
We now have, as I told you, our very, very distinguished guest, Mike Lindell, MyPillows.
You all know Mike, and I think you all know what he's going through, but we want to hear it personally because it can happen to all of us.
In fact, it has happened to some of us.
Mike, it's great to be with you.
Thanks for having me on, Rudy.
Well, I think this is a story that is, a former president used to use this.
This should be a teaching moment for the American people.
Because this has to stop.
But you know, Mike, what I'm interested in—we all know what happened recently and how terrible it is—but you must have a little bit of a history with this.
They must have been focused on you for some time, because you've been a very outspoken supporter of the president, and then you're on some of the few right-wing media outlets.
So that must really focus on you quite a bit.
Right, right.
Well, actually, I'm on all outlets, left and right.
It's just that people see me more on the right-wing outlets.
But I want to take it back a little bit, Rudy.
You go back to the summer of 2016.
Now, I didn't know anything about politics.
I had been an addict most of my life, and I didn't think politics affected me at all.
Here, Donald Trump, before he was president, invites me out to New York City to meet him.
And I fly out there and I'm all excited.
And it was August 15, 2016.
And I walked into his office.
It was just him and I. And we talked about, he said, Mike, you know, you do all your manufacturing here.
And he talked about bringing the jobs back.
And I said, yes, I used to be an addict.
And we talked about, He was going to stop the drugs pouring in, and I was going to have this big Lindell Recovery Network, and put all these amazing things back and forth.
And a matter of fact, you walked into that meeting right at the end of it, I remember it.
And you walked in, and we talked about some other stuff that he was going to do.
And I walked out of that office after I left there, and I said, wow, if he does all this, that's what a president should do.
It just makes sense.
And I talked to his employees, Rudy, and I talked to them and they all said the same great things about him.
And they said, he's a good leader, good boss.
And he's done something for me personally.
But here's the thing.
I went back to Minnesota and I was the media's darling.
I could tell him, Hey, I'm hiring a hundred more people today.
Boy, all the cameras would come out in the newspapers and talk to me and, and, uh, But I got back to Minnesota and I did a press release saying that I met Donald Trump and I had a meeting with him.
And I thought, I didn't even tell him what we talked about.
And I was attacked.
I was called a racist.
I was attacked like I've never seen anything like it.
And then I looked and I'm going, I felt horrible inside.
I go, what did I do?
I'm a bad person, you know?
Sure.
First time.
Yeah.
They attacked my company and I had never had anything like this happen before.
And I thought, You know, what's going on here?
Well, then I realized a lot of it was these bots and trolls and these attack groups that are paid to do these hit jobs.
Explain to people what bots and trolls are.
A lot of people might not know what they are, Mike.
If you go on Facebook or Twitter, and they shouldn't even allow them, but they are, there are guys that sit in a room, there might be five, ten people in a room, and all they are, they type up these terrible things, and they don't have, if you check on Facebook, they might have two friends, or ten friends, same way with Twitter.
They don't have any friends, they're bots and trolls, and all they do, they'll put a string of them together, these terrible comments, and then you find other people even engaging them, and they'll either jump on the bandwagon, and pile on or they won't say anything. Usually they're
afraid to go, oh, Mike must be a bad guy. Look at all these negative comments.
But they're not real. These are hired hit jobs like Sleeping Giant's one. They're a terrible
organization. Truthinadvertising.org.
The list goes on and on.
I think a lot of people wouldn't even know anything about this.
They would take all of those as, you know, kind of legitimate, right?
Legitimate people.
Oh, yeah.
And I did back then.
And I did.
Oh, you did?
Yeah, I took them very serious.
And then the mainstream media, you know, the news, ABC, NBC and all that, they wouldn't talk to me.
They just didn't have me on.
So that's another way you cancel out people.
You just don't You don't have them on anymore, right?
Didn't you advertise on some of those networks at times in the past?
All of them, all of them.
I'm on over, it's been on over 5,000 TV stations, local, it does everywhere.
ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, Fox, I mean everywhere.
And they would, but it's like two separate divisions, right?
One of them will either suppress you and attack you and the other ones will watch your money for
advertising. But then it did an interesting thing, you know, it kind of, then I was attacked once that
The Better Business Bureau of Minnesota took my pillow from an A plus to an F over, you know, said that I advertised it was too good of a special for too long.
And I knew that was a hit job too.
It was just these organizations that piled on back then.
Well, then, you know, I kind of got used to it and I would, uh, you know, I see everybody knew by then I was a supporter of Donald Trump.
I went all in, right?
Well, this last spring.
This was interesting.
Last spring, when I spoke at the Rose Garden, the president let me go up there and speak about what we were doing to help the pandemic, and we were making masks at MyPillow.
I went off the cuff, and I asked him if I could, and I talked about getting in the Word, reading our Bibles, and spending time with our families.
You can't imagine how much I love that, Michael, because there was too little being said about God during the pandemic.
I think you kind of excluded God, and I thought, here, here's the first one, not even a minister, and he brings God in, and I said, thank God.
Well, yeah, it's where we're at now, too.
I think a nation had turned its back on God.
We had taken God out of our schools and all these things, and I spoke out.
I said what I believed, and boy, you'd think I killed someone.
I was attacked everywhere.
I was attacked, but that was good and bad.
I did 109 interviews in five days, but then about a month later, the last time it happened, It's called myonlyandard.com. This guy brought me,
everybody up to the Rose Garden and told me different sanitizers and cures and all this. Well, this one
had great promise. It was awesome.
And I went on and I spoke about that on CNN and I was attacked by Anderson Cooper for 24 minutes.
Well, then the bots and trolls went after my vendors.
They went after my vendors.
QVC dropped me.
HSN dropped me.
Zulily dropped me.
All these, they tried to destroy my pillow just because I spoke out about something that would work.
And when was, when was that?
What period of time?
That was, that was this summer.
It was about May, I think May, May or June.
And anybody can look that up.
I was attacked by CNN for 24 minutes straight.
Excuse me, Micah.
Time to take a short break.
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Welcome back to this fascinating interview with Mike Lindell.
What was the nature of the objection Well, I don't know.
It should be freedom of speech.
And freedom of religion!
Yeah, freedom of religion.
And that one started with the late-night talk show hosts.
And on CNN, they're hosts.
And I was just, you know, mocked in everything you could imagine.
And then online, the bots and trolls come out.
The bots and trolls?
I like that expression.
But then online, everybody, that one had so much support.
They couldn't suppress that.
They couldn't attack that very good because that went worldwide.
It was the number one news story for like two days.
Two days.
It was everywhere.
It trended on Twitter.
But the next one was interesting because when I had that myoleander.com, which is still out there by the way, and I was making masks and all the stuff that happened during this pandemic that I knew was going on, like they suppressed hand sanitizers that would last 24 hours, they suppressed stuff that would work against the virus.
I believe, my belief is they did all this to keep, because if it would have came out, Donald Trump would have easily won the election because everybody's going, wow, he got out of this pandemic because he reached out to private sector people.
He did miracles.
Yeah, he did.
He would handle this better than anyone in history could have handled a pandemic.
Well, anyway, but here I go on just to tell about, you know, the findings.
And when I was attacked by Anderson Cooper, the bots and trolls, they didn't just come after me.
Everyone's got to understand this.
They went after people I do business with, like QVC, the Home Shopping Network, Zulily, the Canadian shop.
They went out there and attacked.
If you do business with Mike Lindell, we're going to boycott you.
We're going to boycott you.
These are bots and trolls, and they're fake people, but these companies believe they're real.
And the companies that drop are as bad as the people that do it because they don't, they either don't know, they don't understand bots and trolls and they don't understand the power of cancel culture.
And this has to stop now.
And that's why what I'm going through now, now that I know what I know, I've told all these CEOs of there's 22 companies now that have dropped my pillow, 22 retailers.
Well, anyway, this, The retailers, they started attacking the retailers, then they started attacking my integrity, and they attacking my Lindale Recovery Network, which helps millions of addicts.
And they drew the line there, like Daily Mail.
I mean, it's horrible, Rudy, what they're doing.
They attack people all the way over.
I have vendors over in Australia and New Zealand.
They attacked them.
They attacked my plant in In England, they attacked them.
I mean, this is worldwide attack.
The idea was they didn't want anything to get out about absolute truth because they didn't want to give it any publicity.
That's exactly right.
They wanted to cancel absolute truth.
Absolute proof, yes.
And you know what?
And we even went up on OAN.
I went on different networks now.
They're afraid to have me on because Because they're afraid Dominion and Smartmatic, they're going to sue you.
That's all a ploy.
That's part of the cancel culture that they're doing.
But they don't let me on.
They don't want it out there.
Which, by the way, I'm coming out with a couple more today.
A couple more of what?
I'm coming out with a shorter version, a trailer version, and another video.
There'll be two of them out there.
We've got to wait now.
It'll be like guacamole for them.
They thought they had problems with the last one.
By the way, the last one was seen, as of yesterday, by 100 million people worldwide.
Oh my goodness!
100 million people have seen Absolute Proof.
The long version.
The long version.
That's the two-hour version.
And get this, the average view time, we had one site that we tracked where there was 30 million.
The average view time was an hour and 53 minutes.
Mike, I've got a break now, but another time I want to put you on because people, you know, this cut off a little bit.
Your book, how many copies of your book did you sell, by the way?
I probably sold about 300,000 in the last three or four weeks.
I've got three million.
People need to read your book because they can get an idea of what a substantial man they're dealing with.
They're not dealing with, this is a man who went through hell.
And got through it and I have a lot of experience with what he went through and sometime we're just going to do a special interview just about that because during the younger part of my life I spent a tremendous amount of time both with drug prosecutions and drug rehabilitation and I'm a real believer in drug rehabilitation and I have plenty of people like you Absolutely.
And you know, addiction is such hard work, too.
You get someone that's addicted, set free of that.
They're the hardest worker.
drug rehab is terrible.
Terrible cynicism.
Absolutely.
Terrible cynicism.
Absolutely.
And you know, everybody, addiction is such hard work too.
You get someone that's addicted set free of that, they're the hardest worker.
They just wanna get out there and set the world on fire.
People have to know they're dealing with a very substantial human being here.
I'm sure they know it.
I know this guy's not giving up.
And you know I'm on your side.
Any help you need, you're doing God's work.
Thanks, Mayor.
Thank you very, very much, Mike.
And good luck.
And I enjoy my MyPillows.
I had sleeping problems.
Now I go on MyPillows.
They're great.
Take care, Mike.
God bless.
God bless you.
Thank you.
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Welcome back to this episode where we are drilling down on cancer culture.
Well, as you can see, Mike is a very charming man.
He's also a very, very intelligent man.
And he's a man who faced death.
And you know when you face death, you either become weaker and can't function much after that, or you become much, much stronger.
Mike's become much stronger.
They pick on the wrong guy.
So, in America, I'm sorry.
Dorsey doesn't make up your mind.
And Zuckerberg doesn't make up your mind.
And neither do I or President Trump or Mike Lindell.
You make up your mind, but you're not being in the chance to do it.
The left wing is exercising the most powerful tool of a dictatorship.
Denial of information.
Denial of free speech.
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