QAA - Becoming Candace (E335)

Aug. 11, 2025 - QAA

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Becoming Candace (E335)

There isn’t yet a tariff on conspiracist narratives. So former Daily Wire podcaster Candace Owens imported one from France. Which is why she now finds herself the subject of a serious lawsuit filed by the French President Emmanuel Macron and the First Lady Brigitte Macron. Owens used Instagram influencer aesthetics to recycle a 2021 theory for American audiences that was originally promoted by a French spiritual medium and spread through “Yellow Vest” and antivax networks. For some reason, Owens wasn’t satisfied with the genuinely odd history of the Macrons’ relationship (they met when Brigitte was married with children and Emmanuel was just 14, despite most American sources claiming they met when he was 15.) Instead she picked up the convoluted conspiracy theory that Brigitte is really her brother Jean-Michel Trogneux who became a trans woman and proceeded to assist with turning Emmanuel into an MKULTRA-controlled “Manchurian Candidate.” In Owen’s ludicrous tale, the Macrons then killed anyone who started asking questions about Brigitte’s past, Clinton-body-count style. But since this nonsense is powered by crude bigotry rather than any investigatory impulse, the evidence is unsurprisingly weak. Owens’ method of argumentation involves ignoring the fact that Jean-Michel Trogneux is clearly alive and a separate person, looking at real photos and declaring them fake, and birthday numerology. Travis, Jake, and Julian unpack Owens’ past, the history of the conspiracy theory, how she promoted it through the 8-part series “Becoming Brigitte,” and the lawsuit that now threatens her independent media empire. Subscribe for $5 a month to get all the premium episodes: https://www.patreon.com/qaa Editing by Corey Klotz. Theme by Nick Sena. Additional music by Pontus Berghe. Theme Vocals by THEY/LIVE (https://instagram.com/theyylivve / https://sptfy.com/QrDm). Cover Art by Pedro Correa: (https://pedrocorrea.com) https://qaapodcast.com QAA was known as the QAnon Anonymous podcast. /// We’ve launched a new podcast miniseries network: Cursed Media. The very first Cursed Media miniseries is Science in Transition. Science in Transition is an investigation into the intellectual origins of the contemporary right wing backlash against transgender acceptance. Through six deeply-researched episodes, hosts Liv Agar and Spencer Barrows unearth a bizarre coalition of well-meaning clinicians, aristocratic sexologists, militant feminists, right-wing culture warriors, headline-chasing journalists, and conservative politicians. Binge all six episodes of Science In Transition by subscribing through this link. www.cursedmedia.net/ Subscribers to Cursed Media get access to three new podcast series per year, plus every episode of QAA’s existing mini-series (properly organized!) ////

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	If you're hearing this, well done.
	You found a way to connect to the internet.
	Welcome to the QA podcast episode 335, Becoming Candace.
	As always, we are your hosts, Jake Rakotansky, Julian Fields, and Travis View.
	On today's episode, we're going to cover the perils of listening to or caring about French people.
	Yes.
	This is broadly relevant because much of conspiracist culture in the United States originated in France.
	Like the whole idea that the Illuminati control world events began with the French Jesuit priest Augustine Burrell.
	So he conceived this conspiracy theory like after going mad because of the French Revolution.
	What do you mean, going mad because of the French Revolution?
	Yeah, how do you define going mad then?
	I mean, like, he was just so absolutely just incensed that he was thrown off from this royal order, that he came up with this, this elaborate sort of scheme that the Freemasons, the Illuminati, and these reading societies that were influenced by the Enlightenment were actually plotted the whole thing.
	Yeah, it's never their fault.
	So he was a little early for like Judeo-Bolshevik, but basically like kind of early iteration of that.
	Yes, yeah.
	That's, I mean, this is like much of like, you know, the, yeah, that'd be like reactionary conspiracist culture was basically just all formed in the aftermath of the French Revolution.
	God damn it.
	It's all just rich people that they took their toys away and they're like, okay, you take my toy away?
	I'm going to become an insane person.
	The idea that Freemasonry is secretly satanic comes from a French hoaxer named Leo Taxel.
	We covered him in a couple episodes.
	I think it's a really interesting story.
	God bless that man.
	What a fucking pimp.
	And much of the great replacement conspiracy theory comes from a French 1973 novel called, what was this called, Julian?
	Le Comte de Saint.
	The Camp of the Saints.
	Yeah, so this is like, you'll see, you'll see like straight up like American neo-Nazis cite this book as inspiring to them.
	That's so fucking cool.
	We rock.
	We gave you guys so much and you guys fucking don't give a shit.
	Just because we wouldn't join a rock, you were like, oh, Freedom Fries.
	Yeah, you know, it is strange that there isn't a closer relationship between the United States and France.
	I mean, culturally, it seems like our paranoia kind of matches up in similar ways.
	Oh, so you would, you would have the smartest man on earth fucking commune with baboons.
	I know, especially after that pigeon gave us the Statue of Liberty.
	Oh, wait, I think that's in Feival.
	I think that's in Feival.
	Oh, my God, dude.
	My man knows this history from Feival Goes West.
	He's been sick, but I'm sick of it.
	Feival goes west.
	He's like, as a mouse.
	Speaking as a mouse.
	Man, that pigeon was so nice to us.
	He gave us a nice statue and he was very nice to Feival.
	Fuck.
	That's awesome, dude.
	But more specifically today, France is relevant because we're going to talk about how podcaster Candace Owens brought a new French conspiracy theory to American audiences and is now facing a serious lawsuit over it.
	easy on the podcaster, you know, well, I don't think let's not, She makes her bread, you know, sitting in front of a mic, but you know, she's like, you know, better looking than us.
	So she does the video thing too.
	Yeah, our way is different.
	I don't know.
	I'm like, I think I'm like in a Renaissance period right now.
	You're hot as I look my, I look my best right now, I feel like.
	And I would absolutely love to be on my knees in front of Travis too.
	So I don't know what he's talking about.
	All right.
	He's back, folks.
	I'm back and I'm sucking dick.
	Owens claims that the First Lady of France, Brigitte Macron, is lying about who she is because she's actually her older brother, Jean-Michel Dragnon, who became a trans woman as part of her new identity.
	That's awesome, man.
	Jean-Michel Tornieux is like, first of all, it's like hard to describe exactly what the sound of this name is to a French ear, but it's like, if you took like the most classist, like awful representation of a farmer and just came up with a fake name, Tornieux is like just horrifying name.
	Amazing.
	Owens further claims that Brigitte and the president, Emmanuel Macron, are secretly blood relatives engaged in an incestuous relationship.
	Well, this is like, this is too easy because they are creepy as fuck.
	Like, she taught him.
	She met him when she was 15.
	She basically fucking groomed this man.
	And then they, of course, there's no way for these morons to like just settle for the actual creepiness of their relationship.
	They have to go further.
	I know.
	It's, yeah, we're going to get into that soon.
	I have a, I have a theory about this whole 15 business.
	We're going to discuss this.
	So, Owens also claims that President Macron's rise to power was engineered as part of a sort of like CIA-run MK Ultra project or sort of similar mind control scheme.
	Yeah, as if the CIA fucking integrates the French this much.
	Well, yeah.
	Owens also claims that the Macrones have committed forgery, fraud, and abuse of power to conceal Brigitte's true identity and other imagined secrets.
	So by describing the conspiracy theory as simply as I can, I'm actually kind of giving it too much credit because I'm making it sound more coherent than Owens' actual version of it.
	Like Owens' presentation of the conspiracy theory can be found in her eight-part series, Becoming Brigitte, and is often meandering, full of confusing, sometimes contradictory assertions.
	I am astounded that people sit down in front of their phones or their computer, go on YouTube, and watch this for entertainment to relax, because it is aggravating to me.
	Eight fucking parts, man.
	Eight fucking hours, man.
	Plus.
	Eight hours plus.
	Plus, there's like an intro and there's like an epilogue.
	So it's like more than eight hours.
	It's nuts.
	Even worse, some people might be listening on like Bluetooth earbuds.
	That's a whole month of our episodes, basically.
	So here's the claim as Owens makes it in a paywall section of one of those episodes.
	I think a year from now, most of the world will be awakened to the fact that what I said one year ago is true.
	No one knows.
	No one's fucking paying attention one year ago.
	Sorry.
	Like infuriating me.
	It's like a year from now, one year ago.
	All right.
	A year ago, I think I told Jake.
	Like, what the fuck's wrong with you?
	I hate her.
	I believe that Emmanuel Macron is a homosexual man that was groomed from his youth.
	He was groomed by a woman, but she's like, looks a little clocky to me.
	I believe the individual who groomed him is now his wife.
	I believe his wife was born Jean-Michel Tokno and transitioned in his early 30s.
	And I believe that the entire state.
	It's the same.
	She's not onto anything new here.
	It's like, it's like she's like purposefully crafting her sentences to get sued.
	She's like, this is what I believe.
	Exactly.
	She's like wording it to get fucking sued.
	Okay, okay, excuse, she continues.
	And I believe that the entire state is colluding to protect that secret.
	What state, though?
	Like the fucking French state?
	I guess.
	Yeah.
	And like I said, I would stake my entire professional career on all of those points.
	That is so fucking crazy.
	Like, how insane do you have to get to care about French politics as an American woman and just be like, I will die on this hill, legally speaking?
	Is this just like, isn't this just like the Michelle Obama is a man?
	Like, this is like if some French woman was like, je sui, absolimon sur que Michelle Obama, sappelle, Michael Obama, et a gross beat.
	I will commit professional suicide now to prove that Michel Obama is a very big of the powerful penance.
	Yeah, I was thinking that this conspiracy theory is like pretty weak, but then when she said she would stake her entire professional career on it, I was like, well, I don't know.
	That's a pretty, I don't know if she would want to risk something so valuable.
	Yeah, her vaunted career.
	I think part of the sloppy presentation of this conspiracy theory by Owens can be attributed to the fact that she's just like amplifying a French conspiracy theory that first became popular in 2021.
	So she doesn't really really understand it.
	what she understands is that this is juicy content that went viral in France and then can potentially go viral here.
	Oh, interesting.
	Because it's like mostly recycled.
	Like she doesn't actually have to do the hard work of coming up with a narrative herself.
	She's like, she's like, well, here's something I can platform and then get a lot of views for it without like, you know, digging down and trying to find some sort of like narrative for myself.
	It's like the movie studios like trying to cash in on a fad like five years after it's ended or like television series.
	I feel like Hollywood does this a lot.
	Yeah, this bitch is like, hey, I'm actually doing like the American adaptation of a really bad French movie.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh, fuck.
	She rules.
	Now, I think to really understand what's going on here, I think it's important to first unpack the background of Candace Owens, the real history of the genuinely strange relationship between Emmanuel and Brigitte Marcon, and how the conspiracy theory got popular in France before Candace Owens was sued for promoting it in the United States.
	Oh, you can't even date your adult teacher without getting in trouble with Travis View.
	The first time that Candace Owens was on the map was when she was a 17-year-old senior in 2007 in the town of Stanford, Connecticut.
	So Owens received three menacing voicemail messages from a group of male classmates.
	And these messages, which totaled about two minutes, were laced with explicit death threats and racial slurs, including variants of the N-word.
	Okay, can we rewind?
	I'm going to take back that B-word and just be like, this is a beautiful, strong woman.
	I know.
	So the way it was reported by the Stanford advocate made it sound like the incident was sparked by romantic rivalry.
	Up until the phone incident, Owens said, her high school career was uneventful.
	She ran track, participated in cheerleading, and socialized with friends, including a male classmate that was a close friend.
	Then, during her senior year, Owens found a boyfriend and, like a typical teenage girl, wanted to spend all her free time with him.
	That meant sacrificing time with her friends, including the close male friend who took Umbridge.
	Oh, did he take Umbridge?
	That just didn't sit well with him, she said.
	The tension rose between them until this is a classic friend who wants to fuck you.
	And then as soon as you start dating, it's like, God damn it.
	I fucking put it all this time.
	I deserve a pet of pussy.
	I deserve a pet of pussy.
	I put it on friend time for a fucking year and a half.
	Idiot loser.
	Okay, the tension rose between them until one night when her cell phone rang, quote, I kept getting calls, she said, but they were from a block number and she ignored them.
	She listened to the messages later that night and heard a barrage of vitriol.
	Quote, you better not expletive be there because you might get a bullet in the back of your expletive head, proclaimed one message.
	In another one, the caller announces he's going to kill Owens because, quote, you're expletive, poor, and you're black, okay?
	Wait, this is this is this is like the level, like I'm sure it's not a hoax, but it reads like that, like uh blacks rule, like fake, fake, uh, fucking spray paint on that guy's on that guy's fucking driveway.
	No, no, I think it's it sounds over the top.
	I just think it's just teenage hormones.
	This is the average man when you friend zone him, by the way.
	True.
	Eventually, her, what was described as a close male friend, at least one other person who was a juvenile, were arrested in connection with the explicit death threats.
	Jesus Christ.
	Now, Owens' family sued the Stanford Board of Education in federal court, and the ACLU got involved, and they claimed that the city didn't protect her rights.
	Eventually, the board paid $37,500 to settle the case.
	Unfortunately, I think Owens learned the wrong lesson from this incident, which is that politically charged controversy is an easy path to fame and money.
	Damn, but like, fucking dude, this dumbass, he like, he made her, he created her.
	I guess, I mean, she's the type of person where it was like gonna happen eventually.
	She was gonna become awful.
	Probably just any inciting incident is what was necessary here, but you can't help but think, like, if this fucking psycho hadn't, like, I don't know, done like weird friend zone death threats shit.
	In high school, to me, $37,500, I might as well have been a millionaire.
	Like, that was basically like a million dollars to me.
	Effectively, this effectively meant the same.
	So, I do wonder, Travis, if like that happened.
	And she was like, Holy shit, this is a lot of money for a 17-year-old.
	Yeah.
	Jake is trying to count how many fucking Super Nintendos he can get with it.
	He's like, What could I have even done then?
	I probably could have gotten at least driven myself to school.
	I just got to the end of all my fingers and all my toes, and there's still Super Nintendos.
	Owens moved on to become an internet vogue magazine.
	She got a job at a Manhattan private equity firm, but then she decided to like, you know, try to make it out on her own.
	In 2015, she ran a small liberal-leaning marketing blog called Degree 180, and it mocked like Tea Party Republicans and even Donald Trump.
	But after that, she leaned into her status as a victim of racial harassment to build a database of online harassers.
	It's called Social Autopsy.
	And so, here's how she described that project: For the last year, I have worked on creating a website, socialautopsy.com, that will stop online bullying by outing the bullies.
	I created a searchable database of people who spew hate online.
	I hope it will make people think twice before they exercise their First Amendment rights online as a means to hurt others.
	Okay, so okay, so she's doing like a she's creating like a doxing machine.
	Yes, yeah, this is good.
	I mean, there's lots of like problems with this.
	Like, uh, they discussed, like, it's like, well, sometimes this harassment is like anonymous, so how do you know who's behind it?
	Well, there's some sort of like reporting mechanism where like people can sort of like claim who is behind the account, but it's like that's obvious right for abuse.
	You could just claim anyone and just make a you know, attach anyone to like awful harassment online.
	Oh, sounds like you were put on the list, Travis.
	You're like, This doesn't seem fair.
	The project was funded via a Kickstarter campaign, which sought $75,000 to build a database of 150,000 profiles.
	Oh, my God, 50 cents per harasser?
	That's me.
	That's not the going rate.
	Come on now.
	Free market capitalism.
	Now, almost as soon as it launched, social autopsy, it triggers some alarm bells.
	And you're in like Travis's head.
	It's like, woo, woo, woo.
	Five alarm fire.
	Something's wrong.
	Critics, like from like across the ideological spectrum, labeled as like this public shaming registry with you know potential for abuse and doxing.
	Kickstarter pulled the campaign for violating its security and privacy guidelines.
	So that was about bust.
	Oh, great.
	So you can fucking kickstart a fucking game about like underage, like Nazi, lowly cartoons in like Molest Quest, but you can't.
	You can't out a couple of bullies.
	Dude, how do you know about Molest Quest?
	I only mention it because I made it up on another podcast.
	Owens perceived the backlash not as like criticism of something that was not a good idea, but as a targeted attack.
	I think this is the start.
	It's like I'm being attacked, but I'm a good person.
	So there must be an evil conspiracy against me.
	Oh, my God.
	She speculated without evidence that figures like Zoe Quinn and Randy Lee Harper, who are both like prominent anti-harassment advocates, were orchestrating a campaign against her.
	So this is this just shows you very early on that she's just like, she has no side.
	Like she has no actual like moral stance here.
	She immediately, she's like, oh, oh, am I shit's not working out?
	Oh, it must be other people who've had issues with bullies.
	That's the problem.
	Not like any of the what, 150,000 profiles that she was going to target.
	She's immediately like, seems like the people around me on my side, they're the bad ones.
	I gotta say, I'm sort of impressed with this kind of like style of thinking, you know, because every time in my life, and it's been quite a few times where something, I've put a lot of time into something and it absolutely tanked or was received poorly or it didn't get me the job or it didn't do well online.
	You know what my first thought is?
	It's like, I'm a piece of shit.
	You know what?
	I'm a fucking piece of shit.
	Yeah, I can't get this fucking laboo boo reselling website off the ground.
	This fucking, I fucking suck.
	But like these people to me are amazing that like that can happen to them over and over.
	And they're like, oh, there's like, well, they're, well, I know my shit's fucking untouchable.
	There must be a plot against me.
	Like that leap to instantly, I'm just, I don't know.
	I wish I had a little bit more of that In me, I guess.
	It just shows that she's got that level of cynicism where she's like, okay, so what I'm doing is there's a blank space in the market for anti-bullying.
	And I am in competition with these other victims of online bullying.
	And so she just sees her competitors, you know, she's going straight for them.
	She's like, fuck you, Zoe Quinn.
	Amazing.
	After the collapse of social autopsy in 2016, Candace Owens executed a total pivot.
	She transitioned from a floundering tech founder to a rising conservative voice.
	In fact, her exact words were, quote, I became a conservative overnight.
	Social autopsy is why I'm a conservative.
	Oh my God.
	Once again, we've identified the Hitler gets turned down from art school.
	And from there, her career has only gone up and up.
	So it was a bit rocky, but somehow she's through all these rocks, she's able to keep pivoting upwards.
	By late 2017, Owens debuted a YouTube channel called Red Pill Black, which is like just her private sort of like YouTube channel.
	It advocated kind of like, you know, her brand of like black conservatism.
	It's also my favorite K-pop band.
	No.
	It does sound like a band.
	No, they don't know enough about K-pop to laugh.
	Fucking guys.
	They don't deserve me on this podcast.
	Her online traction quickly translated into real-world influence at the MAGA Rally and Expo in Rockford, Illinois.
	Turning point USA founder Charlie Kirk, another real piece of shit, made this world worse, invited her to become TP USA's Director of Urban Engagement.
	Now, this confused me a bit.
	I checked her upbringing.
	She was born in White Plains, New York, population 60,000.
	She was raised in Camford, Connecticut, population 135,000.
	According to the FBI, Camford actually has the least amount of crime in all of Connecticut, among the three cities that have more than 100,000 population.
	Now, she did briefly work in New York City, but other than that, she doesn't seem to have any strong connection to any densely populated urban area.
	I don't know why she got this title.
	Well, it's because when guys like Charlie Kirk say urban, it just means black to them.
	No, it does.
	That does.
	Like, that's what it is.
	That's what it is.
	It's just their amazing code word.
	2018, she co-founded Blexit.
	This was a campaign urging black voters.
	Exit to the Democratic Party.
	We've lived like four lifetimes doing this podcast.
	That seems like a hundred years ago.
	Yeah, remember Kanye West was involved?
	He designed the merch recently.
	Oh, my God.
	That's early.
	Early Kanye.
	Oh, that was the beginning of COVID.
	That was like goddamn quaint considering the fucking dark path Kanye went to the world.
	Yeah, okay, but like, but like, let's just appreciate for a second that Kanye was able to like identify the biggest fucking freaks from like Candace Owens to Milo Yiannopoulos to finally fucking Grouper Central.
	What's his fucking name?
	Nick Fuentes.
	To fucking Nick Fuentes.
	Like my man has an absolute fucking radar for the biggest freaks on the right.
	Like just the worst people.
	So she left TP USA in 2019 after some controversy claiming that maybe Hitler just wanted to make Germany great again.
	Oh, that's cool.
	Yeah.
	She should fucking reboot Blexit with fucking Ollie London.
	Yeah.
	But then she's picked up by the Daily Wire in 2021.
	You can't keep them down.
	You can't.
	It's like no matter what you say, they always find a new outlet to pay you if you're in this game.
	Big L for Mr. Shapiro, who was like, we got a black woman.
	He had no idea.
	He's like, she's studying the Talmud to become the most anti-Semitic person on the world.
	Yeah, I know.
	Yeah, she started engaging in some like, you know, comical anti-Semitism.
	Like real, real.
	That was funny to you, huh?
	Comical.
	Do you hear that, Jake?
	This guy thinks it's funny.
	Just like, just because she's a young woman and she's like, she sounds like really like it, like maybe like an old French man, her like her style of anti-Semitism.
	It's true.
	It's true.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	She's like, I want, Give it to me really quick.
	What's the French accent?
	Give me the French one.
	I can't think of it.
	How do you speak English with a French accent?
	I'm blanking.
	Oh, you speak English like this.
	Oh, you speak English?
	I have to go to Kibbs.
	Kebbs in Paris are so expensive.
	I have to go to the taken line to lock in.
	Okay, wait.
	Okay, we'll cut all that out.
	And then I'll go.
	Yes, I want to just she's like, she's like, yes, I want to start a campaign where we destroy 10,000 yarmukas and the Jews underneath them.
	Dude, little known fact, Candace Owens is actually like an immortal vampire and was deeply involved in the Dreyfus affair.
	She's been around.
	Yeah, if you read the Talmud, if you go back far enough in the Talmud, you'll find a clear drawing of her in there.
	Owens and Daily Wire founder Ben Shapiro clashed over her Israel-Gaza commentary.
	After Shapiro criticized her remarks as absolutely disgraceful, Owens posted, you cannot serve both God and money and Christ is king.
	Now, in isolation, that may sound like a pretty benign Christian slogan, but in these online circles, it has kind of some anti-Semitic undertones.
	I love that Travis is like, this is so subtle.
	I could barely tell it was anti-Semitic.
	I mean, God and money is such a fucking tell.
	Like, if you're talking about Israel, just say Israel and United States, which would make sense.
	It's not even anti-Semitic.
	It's like, why the fuck are we representing the national interests of this fucking foreign country?
	Why are we fucking paying so much money so that they can have big bombs and like fucking universal health care?
	And we don't even fucking have that.
	You know, it's so easy to not be anti-Semitic, but she really wants to be anti-Semitic.
	Yeah, I feel like her stance on the on Israel is really just incidental to her anti-Semitism.
	That's primary, unfortunately.
	Oh my God, what comes next?
	Oh my God.
	How did she pull this off?
	Owens was also, after this, widely condemned after calling accounts of Nazi Dr. Joseph Mengele's experiments bizarre propaganda.
	He was misunderstood.
	Mengele.
	Mengele.
	I've never, ever seen anyone go to bat for Mengele.
	Not even like the most anti-Semitic people on earth.
	It was like, it was like, it was like, this is like, this is so like wretched and absurd.
	It's like, no one would ever do that.
	It was, it was pretty crazy.
	People don't understand what he contributed to the medical field.
	He's like flaying the skins off like people's arms.
	And she's like, hold on, let him cook.
	She's like, well, who's to say that it's not an advancement of science to build a lamp with the skin of a human being?
	It's a fucking lampshade.
	Oh, man.
	She is amazing.
	Like, she truly has like a nose for the worst of everything.
	Like, just the most fucked up shit.
	Like, she, she is kind of an innovator, even in like weird anti-Semitic stances.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I think, I think that is a weird consequence of her having like no principles at all.
	She kind of like, you know, when you, when you're really just that valueless, you know, you wound up sort of falling into these weird sort of bigoted sort of rabbit holes.
	But also, like, where do you even come upon accounts of Nazi Dr. Joseph Mengele's experiments?
	Like, where, how do you, how is that a prompt?
	Like, how do you, how do you end up responding to them?
	Like, where, what are you reading?
	Yeah.
	So, so, like, yeah, Charlie Kirk and Ben Shapiro, like, they let her go, but they did the work of raising her profile.
	They did the work of like helping her build an email list.
	So, from this, she was able to, she was free to go out on her own.
	Much of the conspiracy theory in becoming Brigitte rests upon like the actual very strange history of the Macron's relationship, which I have to confess, a little too weird for me.
	Yeah, no, no, straight up.
	Like, they should be in a stockade.
	Like, I fucking hate Mike Holmes so much.
	And, and, and plus, like, the grooming, the sexual grooming of a 15-year-old French man.
	I don't care about that.
	Okay, that should be legal.
	But what I do care about is that she groomed him in the ways of like neo fucking neoliberal capitalism.
	And that this man is trying to dismantle the entire social safety net.
	Just he's such a piece of shit.
	And that I blame on her because she, you know, it's like this little fucking rich kid business school tract.
	Like, remember that France is so small.
	It's like the size of a fucking big state, basically.
	Not even.
	And so, like, everyone knows each other.
	So, I mean, you come of age and then you pick the 15-year-old you're going to groom.
	And she was like, mine will be the president.
	Yeah.
	Sometimes I can dismiss strange relationships like this with the excuse that they're French.
	You know, I think that sometimes like the perversions of some French people are so severe, they're functionally a kind of disability.
	Thank you.
	Can I park in handicapped parking space?
	Because if you find a disability as a quality that substantially limits the life activity, I think this qualifies, right?
	I'm glad I have just like ADD and not French inclinations.
	I think that'd be more debilitating.
	Yeah, French ADD is real bad.
	it's much worse.
	I mean, we have different kinds of stuff in America.
	Like, I have a friend whose parents are cousins.
	What the fuck?
	Okay.
	All right.
	Please don't name it.
	All right.
	Please don't name them.
	I would never.
	I would never.
	We don't need to know more.
	I'm just saying, we've got our own itis, you know?
	They first met because Brigitte was a teacher at the private school, Lycée la Providence, where young Emmanuel Macron was a student.
	Now, at the time, she was married with children, and she ran an after school drama club.
	In this drama club, Brigitte was a student alongside her daughter, Laurence Ausier.
	So just to repeat that.
	So she was a teacher at a drama club where her own daughter was a student, and that's where she met her future husband.
	It's always the drama teachers.
	You can't.
	I wish I could say it's the first time that I've heard about a drama teacher who ended up dating a student or a former student.
	Just because I am recreating the pianist with this 15-year-old boy who is friends with my daughter, who is also the same age.
	Oh, people will judge me.
	Oh, they will judge me.
	FOS I wanted to be a star.
	But it did not work out so well.
	So instead, I become, I will teach the children how to act and how to be in an adult relationship.
	Listen, Emmanuel, could you please stay after school?
	We have a two-person play I would like to practice with you called Eating a Teacher's Pussy.
	Come on.
	At the time, she was 39 years old.
	And most sources say he was 15.
	Like the Wikipedia page for Brigitte Macron says that she was 15, citing a New York Times article.
	If you asked ChatGPT or Grok or Google Gemini, how old was Emmanuel Macron when she first met Brigitte?
	They all tell you 15.
	But their Wikipedia could be wrong.
	Yeah, what's interesting, I found, I saw a Le Monde article that said, that said 14, which was like, that is weird.
	No, no, the wrong direction.
	Yeah.
	I think Le Monde would probably actually do better due diligence than like any of these other fucking sources for sure.
	So yeah, I believe it.
	Well, I mean, yeah, that's the relevant distinction, 14 and 15, because the age of consent in France is 15, which is God bless us.
	I know, this was bothering me a bit, this discrepancy.
	It was like, why am I getting, why am I getting two answers, you know?
	So Emmanuel reportedly participated in this after-school drama club during the 1992 and 93 school year.
	So I looked up the school calendar for that year, according to France's Ministry of Education.
	Julian, could you do me a favor and like click on this link and confirm to me the day that students started their classes that year?
	Of course, we are talking about the 10th of September.
	Millennial Saint-Catre Mandouge, 92.
	And so what does that make him?
	Is he 14?
	That's a good question.
	Good question.
	So yeah, so that's because Emmanuel Macron's birthday, December 21st, 1977.
	So that would make him like, see her, how old?
	It was like September, October of 1992.
	That would make him 14 years old at the start of the school.
	Oh, no, this is a horrible misunderstanding.
	No, but what you don't understand is when you have an after-school drama course, first it starts Innocent.
	And then the year becomes the next year, 1993.
	And that is when the molesting begins.
	Oh, oh, Emmanuel, I have a special version of Moliere to show you.
	It is called Molière and the Older Woman.
	Come on, we shouldn't be laughing about this.
	Why?
	This man is insanely powerful and one of the worst people on earth.
	Fuck him.
	All right.
	And what was also further confusing me about this point, I read something that I read in La Pointe.
	This article discusses a video made famous by a documentary about Emmanuel Macron that depicts the then 15-year-old boy performing a play called The Comedy of Language.
	This is a Google translation of that article.
	The young high school student appears alone on stage in May 1993, disguised as a scarecrow and reciting his text during an end-of-year performance at the Jesuit high school of La Provence in Amiens.
	His path has already crossed that of Brigitte Tronnieu, 24 years his senior, a French Teacher with a passion for literature who runs a theater workshop at the same high school.
	She can also be seen in the video receiving a bouquet of flowers.
	Okay.
	A year earlier, she had been struck by this ninth grade student who was already burning up the stage in Milan Kundera's Jacques and his master.
	And so it was natural that Brigitte would incorporate the brilliant performer into her high school troop.
	Yes, the average performer of anti-communist French play.
	It's time to fuck my ditch.
	See, this is why I really didn't like that sh that series Station 11 or whatever that was on HBO.
	I know it's a book and I know everybody liked it.
	This is highly related.
	But let's go.
	This is definitely not that.
	But the heroes in it were like this traveling troop of actors.
	And I'm like, these aren't the fucking heroes.
	Like anybody who glorifies these people.
	No, these people are just trying to pick scenes to see who they can, you know, fondle and make out with, whether teacher, student, whether whatever.
	It's a bunch of fucking weird freaks.
	This is coming from somebody with a theater degree.
	Okay, so yeah, I agree with you about actors.
	Yeah, they cannot be trusted.
	Not be trusted.
	Sorry if you're an actor that listens to this.
	Get out while you can and become a podcaster.
	Well, some of them have already made a pretty good career, Jake, so I think they're okay.
	But who knows?
	If you're an actor, if you're a famous actor, please, first of all, write in.
	Tell us how many times you've been molested.
	I mean, probably a lot.
	Yeah, it's not a great environment.
	No.
	Sexually speaking, like that is.
	It's bad, actually.
	Looking back at us as a grown person, I'm like, that was risky place.
	It was risky place.
	Yeah, really bad.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh, why don't we act as if I'm molesting you?
	I know.
	And then the teacher was all like, no.
	They're like, oh, you're doing it wrong.
	Here, I'll stand in as you.
	And then all of a sudden, they're in the scene and they're kissing the scene partner and they're staying after class.
	You know, it's just like, it's too loosey-goosey.
	It's too, it's too loosey-goose.
	There's too much goose is loosing on the fucking.
	There's too much goose loose.
	Yeah, we need to tighten up the goose in acting.
	Yeah, get a communications degree or something.
	Yeah, do something else.
	Just don't be an actor, okay?
	Honestly.
	Yes.
	Well, I can't do this, but I can't do this bit just because I do support the acting union.
	But if I were to do the bit, if I were to do this bit, it would be that we shouldn't have actors and they should be replaced by AI.
	So, I mean, my takeaway from this reporting is that she saw Emmanuel a year prior to being involved in Brigitte's theater troupe.
	So what I'm saying is that the sources that constantly repeat that they met at 15 are certainly wrong.
	I don't know how they define meet, but she saw him perform in the play and was very impressed by it when he was at least 14.
	She immediately went back home and like checked a calendar.
	She's like, when does this become legal?
	So some biographies claim that the romance truly began when he was a little older.
	I don't know what that means.
	Truly began.
	I don't know.
	Because they were only on first base for a very long time.
	I don't know.
	Like, I don't, I don't know.
	Fuck them both is the point.
	The pair bonded during a theater workshop, preparing for a production of the Italian play, The Art of Comedy.
	According to the magazine Paris Match, the relationship developed as they were rewriting up the play to incorporate more roles.
	This is a quote from Brigitte, again, using Google Translate.
	The writing brought us together every Friday and triggered an incredible closeness.
	He gained a great influence over me.
	Shut the fuck up.
	He's 15 years old.
	Oh my God.
	I felt that I was slipping too.
	Love swept everything before it and led me to divorce.
	It was impossible to resist it.
	My parents, already elderly, didn't really want to know.
	What?
	You're a fucking 39-year-old.
	Shut the fuck up about your parents.
	As for me, I had been used to age differences since childhood.
	Jesus Christ.
	The main thing was to protect my family who accepted these upheavals.
	The rest is froth.
	Okay.
	I know.
	I do not like her and the way she talks about this at all.
	I don't even.
	But also, there's so much weight to this sentence.
	As for me, I'd been used to age differences since childhood.
	What do you mean?
	Yeah, I know.
	What do you mean by that?
	That's so fucked up.
	Yeah.
	I wonder how old her kids were at the time.
	Like, if we talked about it, Jake, like, her daughter was in the same class as him.
	Oh, that's right.
	That's right.
	It's so fucked up.
	Oh, man.
	Can you imagine?
	She's like, I've fallen in love with Emmanuel.
	She's like, the boy in my class, and she's like, yes.
	I mean, I guess to give them credit, like they're still together, but this is like, oh, I'm a big fan of Woody Allen films.
	I'm very much like him.
	I like that most of this episode is just condemning Maco and Prichet.
	Like, and then we're like, oh, yeah, also, this like insane American woman thinks she's a man.
	Imagine reading all this shit and being like, not salacious enough.
	I know.
	This is like, this is, this is strange stomach churning stuff.
	Come on, guys.
	This is, this is how like Americans are just addicted to like having like too much sugar, too much salt, and too much fat in every single dish.
	You know what I mean?
	They're like, they can't even appreciate like a, oh, a well-cooked papillat.
	I mean, like, I'm up here looking up like school schedule charts from France.
	That isn't enough for people.
	That is crazy that you would go out of your way to accuse a French woman of being a pedophile.
	I cannot believe how much effort you've put into this.
	Again, I don't like being jerked around.
	I felt like I was being bullshitted and I was right.
	Nice.
	Hell hath no scorn like a Travis who felt misinformed.
	Hell hath no fury?
	Yeah, fury like a Travis scorned.
	Hell hath no fury like a Travis viewed.
	He's like, all I know is I do not trust French people.
	I'm going on this hunt.
	This concerned Emmanuel's parents, as you can imagine.
	According to the book, Emmanuel Macron, A Perfect Young Man, Emmanuel's father told Brigitte to stay away from his son until he was 18 years old, which again, this is a very French reaction.
	Like, I would not fault Emmanuel Macron's father for acting more like, why am I paying tuition to a school that employs a teacher who, in the most charitable interpretation, has developed a romantic interest in my son.
	Politely speaking, could you please wait until he is 18 to molest him?
	Please.
	Yes, yes.
	Like, it's like, if you must take my son as a lover, please wait until he completes his education.
	It's weird.
	Honestly, the fact that he said 18 is like already impressive.
	Yeah, I know.
	I know.
	These are strange people.
	She would be in prison if this was America.
	Yeah, I suppose that's true.
	And you know what?
	They both deserve it.
	But yeah, probably, I mean, shit, I guess I blame her like way more.
	Because she also shaped the way he thinks.
	She's very influential in his life.
	She might as well be like co-president with his ass.
	And if you're like a young actor 13, 14, 15, and your teacher, you're like older, cool teacher, I guess, because like you must like her to some degree if you end up being in a relationship with her.
	It's like, you are one of the most talented people I have ever seen in my life.
	Like you're going to eat that up.
	Like that's what you want to hear.
	You want to hear that you're good, you know, that you're a good actor.
	But also like, dog, you're 15 and you got locked down by a 40-year-old woman.
	What the fuck is going on, kid?
	Brigitte tearfully replied to Emmanuel's father, I cannot promise you anything.
	Again, insane thing to say.
	Oh my God.
	I cannot promise that I won't fuck your son.
	I might fuck your son.
	I'm saying, I, your son's teacher, might fuck your son.
	I'm saying that might be a possibility.
	This is the problem with Americans.
	Americans like you, they just want to see people in handcuffs and they want to see the carceral state grow.
	But in France, we negotiate over how I don't know.
	People complain about like American puritanical repression, but look at the alternative.
	Okay, come over and have a wonderful cocovin, and we will discuss what age it is appropriate for you to suck on my little son's penis.
	Yeah.
	I mean, they probably had already like, they probably already hooked up.
	So by the time he was like, hey, you got to stay away from my son till he's 18, she's like, cannot promise anything.
	Like, knowing full well probably that they already did it.
	She already did it.
	Of course she did.
	I cannot promise anything.
	That's such a like, if I were to hook up with your son, it would maybe be before 18, as in, definitely not in the first three months of the school year 1992.
	Okay.
	Let's be clear.
	Yeah.
	So Macron transferred to an elite school in Paris, but the pair maintained correspondence and saw each other during school holidays.
	By 17, the future president told Brigitte, whatever you do, I will marry you.
	What do you mean, whatever you do?
	Is she like, what is she offering to do?
	Like, what's she Something bad, or he's saying, like, no, no matter how much you hurt me, like, I'll still marry you.
	No matter what you do, I'll marry you.
	Wow, dude, she must have, she must have is this like a step on my neck mommy kind of thing.
	I don't know.
	This is like just magic pussy, dude.
	This guy is getting totally transfixed.
	Emmanuel Macron went on to earn a master's degree from the University of Paris.
	He served as an apprentice in the French embassy in Nigeria.
	Man, it is so fucking awesome that this episode is mostly just talking about this.
	Like, I thought this was gonna be a boring episode about Candace Owens.
	Instead, we get to talk about Brigitte Macron.
	I'm sorry, Jean-Michel Torneau.
	Brigitte was separated from her husband for years before receiving a divorce in January of 2006.
	And shortly afterwards, on October 20th, 2007, Brigitte Emmanuel Macron married in the town hall of Letuquet.
	He was 29.
	She was 54.
	Hell yeah.
	At the reception, Macron thanked her adult children for accepting us, a not quite normal couple.
	Fucking future president, baby.
	Yeah.
	She's 70-something years old now.
	Yeah.
	Well, don't knock it till you tried it, brother.
	Following the wedding, Brigitte continued teaching at Paris's.
	Oh my God, this one's.
	Oh my God, this is awesome.
	Lisa Saint-Louis de Gonzague.
	All right, I'm gonna let you handle that one.
	Yeah, yeah, so she kept teaching there until the third.
	She kept teaching.
	She decided, not even, not even, okay, fine.
	There's no legal consequences.
	You think you might even move out if you fucking marry a student.
	Nope, still teaching.
	They don't give you.
	She politely asked her to stop molesting students.
	Like, imagine, like, it's like a PTA meeting where the fucking dad of like the students, like, could you please stop molesting?
	She's like, no, can you?
	And the school's like, well, she's one of our best.
	Yeah, well, shrug it off.
	Okay.
	So, and yeah, she left to support Macron's political rise.
	Macron routinely calls her his anchor and best advisor, insisting that they avoid nights apart whenever possible.
	Yeah, see, this is where it gets like twisted because they're both.
	I mean, I guess it's really been twisted for a little while, but like they've fucking acceded to power.
	Like these people have changed France forever in some of the worst ways.
	They sold people on a third way.
	What's fucking new?
	And guess what it was?
	It was gutting the social safety net, fucking reinforcing the fucking police state.
	I mean, just trash, man.
	Fucking neoliberalism.
	You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
	We'll get comments about this.
	I don't give a fuck.
	Today, Brigitte is 72, grandmother of seven.
	Emmanuel is 47 in his second presidential term.
	Macron, for his part, seems like a man very much in love with his wife.
	He said in 2017, you don't build something great if you're not balanced and a strong couple.
	I've been with my wife for decades now, and she's part of me.
	Oh, God.
	Ah, man.
	Yeah, because she was like a second mom that you fucked in high school.
	I never, never thought I'd be so on Candace Owens' side.
	Just fucking have at it, Candace.
	Just get them.
	Get their asses.
	I don't give a fuck.
	But this is great.
	This brings up a great point.
	It's like, why isn't this enough?
	Like, we could rip for two hours about how fucked up and weird this shit is.
	But she's like, uh, actually, he's gay.
	It's just, it's just like, all right, I guess we're going to get into that, Travis.
	I don't want to get ahead of you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think that what should inspire people to not be on Owen's side is that this is really more about inspiring hatred against trans women than attacking the Macrons.
	Of course, of course it is.
	I didn't even think about that.
	I mean, I, okay, I'll just cut what I just said.
	Okay, well, fuck you, Travis.
	You really fucked me.
	Cut everything.
	Cut everything.
	Oh, actually, no, what if I came up with this unprompted?
	Oh, Travis, the real problem here is.
	Please let me redo.
	No, I deserve this.
	Oh, fuck.
	That's fucked up.
	Where did the conspiracy theory that Brigitte Macron is somehow secretly a trans woman come from?
	The rumor originated in France in late 2021 amid the climate of distrust that were fueled by COVID-19 and the anti-establishment yellow vest protests.
	Real Dr. Raoul hours.
	Yeah, it was people, people were losing their minds.
	They were forced indoors.
	They were, you know, worried about what the government was up to, you know, reasonably.
	So, you know, This is sort of the Petri dish that sort of gave birth to this.
	I remember this era because like I bought fucking hash and it came in like a little like pouch that had like their hydroxychloroquine doctor, Dr. Raoul, like on it.
	And he was like, smoking weed, cures COVID.
	Fantastic.
	It was that level.
	Like there were just like jokes about it like on drug packaging.
	In December 2021, a YouTube interview featuring a self-proclaimed independent journalist named Natasha Ray and a spiritual medium named Amandine Roy went viral, racking up hundreds of thousands of views.
	They alleged that Brigitte Macron was actually her brother, Jean-Michel Trugneau.
	And the claim spread like wildfire on French social media under the hashtag hashtag Jean-Michel Trugnol, often boosted by far-right and anti-vaccine networks.
	God damn, so it's all from a fucking talking of ghosts, huh?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	A couple, couple of kooks in a kooky time.
	So Brigitte Macron, they started legal action very quickly in France, at least.
	In early 2022, she filed a defamation complaint with Jean-Michel Trugneau.
	So I think this is important to point out.
	So her brother.
	She's alive.
	Who is she?
	Who is she is supposed to be very much exists as a separate person from her?
	That's so awesome.
	Imagine a fucking conspiracy theory you could disprove.
	Nope, nope, nope.
	Well, the photos of her, the videos of her with him, her brother.
	Yeah.
	Just not enough.
	Nope.
	That's so fucking.
	And then imagine, like, I stake my whole professional career on this.
	You're talking about her being a guy who exists.
	He's alive.
	And furthermore, you're staking your whole professional career on the words of a spiritual medium.
	That's not unusual for the right.
	Yeah, but for Candace Owen, I feel like she tries to sell herself as like, I'm the logic.
	You know, I call it like I see this sort of like very based individual.
	And yet here you go.
	It's like a ghost whisperer.
	This is where this comes from.
	The case against those two women, Roy and Ray, proceeded through the French courts over the next two years.
	In September of 2024, the Paris Criminal Court found the women guilty of libel against Brigitte and her brother, recognizing the claims about Brigitte's gender as defamatory.
	The court ordered Ray and Roy to pay 8,000 euros in damages to Brigitte and another 5,000 euros to Jean-Michel Trugneau.
	Wow, that's pretty cheap.
	Now, the victory was short-lived.
	The defendants appealed, and just last month in July, just weeks before the Macron's filed suit against Owens in the U.S., a Paris appeals court overturned the convictions on technical grounds.
	They won.
	They fucking won.
	They didn't even pay the money.
	That's awesome.
	The judges didn't endorse the conspiracy theory.
	They held that the case did not meet the strict definition of criminal defamation under French law.
	This was on the basis that the two women were operating in good faith, meaning that they sincerely believe the claims that they were promoting.
	This is like the insanity plea.
	Well, yes, right.
	You can get out of defamation claims if you're dumb and gullible enough.
	They're like, I swear, I swear.
	The ghost who was with, I thought there was a ghost over my shoulder.
	And he was whispering.
	He's like, she was like, it's a man.
	It's a man.
	You're being deceived.
	You're being tricked into being gay.
	So Brigitte Macron strongly disagreed with the reversal, has now appealed the matter to France's highest judicial court to review the decision.
	So as of right now, the French defamation case remains unsettled pending that high court review.
	I'm going to claim this as a W for Brigitte and Emmanuel because it's like, you know, they clearly don't own the courts if they can't even.
	Like, he's the president, has been for a while.
	Another French conspiracist who promoted these false claims about the Macrones is a man named Xavier Poussard.
	And Poussard is the main source for the conspiracy theory that Candace Owens promoted.
	Oh, the names are so good, man.
	Pepe le Pieu.
	Candace Owens first promoted the theory in March of 2024 while she was still with the Daily Wire.
	She actually claimed that she first heard about the theory from a debunking article.
	Let me tell you about how I happened upon the story.
	There was just an article that was published in the Daily Mail.
	Here is the headline.
	The proof France's first lady wasn't born a man.
	I, of course, instantly read it because what a bizarre thing that you're even needing to present proof that Brigitte Macron was not born a man.
	Wow.
	She's doing like over the target, but with the Daily Mail, like even the Daily Mail, with their probable hatred of the Macron, like even they were like, no, this is bullshit.
	And she's like, oh, bullshit, you said.
	It's very weird that they would want to dispel a rumor like that.
	Yeah, I know.
	Now, the article that she cites, it references several findings that debunks the claim, such as the existence of a 1953 announcement in a newspaper that states Anne-Marie, Jean-Claude, Mary Vaughan Monique, and Jean-Michel Tregnot have great joy in announcing the arrival of their little sister, Brigitte.
	So that article provides childhood photos of Brigitte, such as one from her Holy Communion.
	So, I mean, clearly not true.
	Pretty simple to debunk, but Owens bizarrely claims that the article contains no debunking at all.
	When I then read the article, there was no debunking whatsoever.
	They just were calling people that were saying otherwise far right, you know, all the typical buzzwords, far-right, conspiracy theorists.
	What about the photos of her as a fucking female child, dumbass?
	What the fuck is wrong with her?
	Candace Owens is like, well, she killed the brother in order to become him.
	You can see it in her evil little eyes as a small child going through communion.
	I love this thing that they do where they act like being stigmatized for spreading insane bullshit is worse than spreading insane bullshit.
	To make me feel bad about the things I say is really beyond the pale, much, much more so than like, you know, the insane things I'm saying.
	I really need to see inside her brain.
	Like, I just, she's just so fucking weird.
	Even like for like the types of grifters that we examine, she just thinks in such a weird way.
	On July 8th of that year, Owens posted a photo of herself wearing a t-shirt with a fake time magazine man of the year cover featuring Brigitte.
	Oh my God, man.
	You made a fucking t-shirt.
	It's a fucking joke.
	It's the same fucking shit.
	She's going to the fucking printer like to get a t-shirt made.
	She's a fucking psycho.
	They're like, Miss, we got to have this.
	Do you have it in a PNG?
	Can you imagine?
	Can you imagine?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's just like, oh, great.
	And they're like, is it just funny?
	Is it for somebody's like birthday?
	Is it a prank or whatever?
	And she's like, yeah.
	Yeah.
	You'll wish.
	Yeah.
	You'll wish.
	Oh, man.
	That's so embarrassing.
	God damn, man.
	What the fuck?
	These are grown people.
	These are grown, grown adults having this shit printed.
	The shirt sold out, which is insane to me.
	What?
	Like where?
	From where?
	She was selling it?
	Yeah, she's, yeah.
	Like, from this, from this, she, yeah, she had her own little online store.
	Fuck.
	And she was selling the shirts and she liked making money off this conspiracy theory.
	Who the fuck, who the, what America gives a shit about Brigitte McCron?
	Well, I'll tell you, this is a lot of Americans who want to proudly wear a picture of a trans woman on their, you know, on their shirts.
	Oh, my God.
	I mean, if that's what they seriously believe, I mean, I don't know where you're going with it, but you're going to get in trouble.
	And I love it.
	Yeah.
	So the t-shirt is very badly done.
	I would say the man of the year text is very, this thin white font that kind of like blends into Brigitte's blonde hair.
	It's trash.
	The print shop is bad.
	Oh, she signed it.
	It's signed Candace in the bottom right.
	Yeah.
	What is wrong with you?
	It's not even assigned.
	It's like a docu signed signature when they're like, there's your signature.
	You know, it's just like kind of like a little bit flowy font.
	She rushed.
	She can't even.
	She can't even like not promote her brand.
	She's like, well, the t-shirt's cool, but like, I need my name there.
	I need my name there.
	I'm not going to get sued otherwise.
	Candace, it's me, Candace, the maker of this graphic.
	This is unbelievable.
	Remember when people freaked out over the Olympic opening ceremony?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, we covered that, I think.
	Yeah, we did.
	So Owens claimed that, yeah, the opening ceremony at the Paris Summer Olympics confirmed her claim somehow because she believed that the opening ceremony was satanic.
	And that proof.
	I mean, the man, the kid.
	It's actually sad now understanding how long Candace Owens has believed this.
	That's insane.
	It's incredible that it took this happening for so many people to wake up.
	The amount of text messages I got, oh, Candace, weren't you saying something about Brigitte Macron being a man?
	Where can I find that episode?
	I want to look at it now.
	The amount of tweets that I got, the amount of people that were on social media going, I really thought that what you were saying seemed so far outstretched, but now I'm realizing there's something going on in France.
	It's just incredible.
	But hey, guys, I'm glad you're here.
	We've been talking about this a lot on my new podcast.
	I've been leaning into speaking a lot about spirituality because it's pretty obvious what's going on.
	We get what's going on.
	It's angels versus demons, tale as old as time, ladies and gentlemen.
	So we're going to talk, of course, about the satanic Olympic ceremony, really a ceremony to honor Brigitte Macron, in my view.
	Oh my God, this is such sloppy conspiracy garbage.
	Like, she's like, I bet you now you notice that I talked about France once, and I'm talking about France again.
	Angels and demons, man.
	You know, inversion.
	It's a tale as old as time.
	She's so fucking like Q-pilled.
	Like, no QAnon.
	They've stripped that away, but like, just absolutely gone.
	She's got the fucking empty skull of the dumbest.
	She's so fucking insane.
	This is, this is like the fact that she got like all made up, created a whole set, like is running her little fucking podcast.
	And this is what she's talking about.
	Like, America is fucking so far gone, dog.
	This country needs to be put down.
	In early December 2024, the Macron's lawyers sent Candace Owens a 33-page retraction demand.
	According to the later court filing, the letter explicitly denied Owens' core allegations and attached evidence intended to disprove them.
	It was just a picture of Brigitte Michael's pussy.
	Come on.
	I think you will see.
	Figure B one, Appendix 3.
	Brigitte Michael's pussy.
	Owens did not retract.
	Instead, she used the letter as content, of course.
	She's reading 33 pages of French at this point.
	She's just so far down the rabbit hole.
	On January 10th of this year, she characterized the service of the letter as an intimidation tactic and claimed the Macrones had told her not to publish it.
	So the complaint says that the letter merely carried a routine first-page header that says confidential, not for publication or attribution.
	And she wasn't like, obviously, you can't demand someone not publicize, I guess, retraction.
	But she also suggested that the letter failed to adjust whether Brigitte is a woman, even though, I mean, that's what you're asking for is, I won't say it again, but Jesus Christ.
	So on January 13th, she dared the couple to sue.
	Oh my God.
	I am not intimidated.
	In fact, I would describe myself as positively elated about this opportunity, Mr. and Mr. Macron.
	Okay.
	I want you to come to Tennessee so bad.
	Bring this, bring this lawsuit as you would have to to the great state of Tennessee.
	Bring it to the volunteer state, you know?
	We still have the good old boys here.
	And don't even waste your money getting a courier to file.
	I'll file it for you.
	I'll be your courier.
	Okay.
	I'll run down to the courthouse and file the lawsuit for you.
	Dude, you are a black woman who is like from like the fucking coast.
	You've ended up in Tennessee and you're talking about how good it is that the good old boys are there.
	Are you?
	You are so lost.
	What's going on?
	Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So the lawsuit was brought by Claire Locke LLP.
	Actually, it was filed in Delaware, not Tennessee.
	Maybe that's for strategic reasons.
	I don't know.
	So this firm focuses almost exclusively on reputation and First Amendment litigation.
	Like if you have a defamation case and you want, you want as good a chance as possible, this is the people you go to.
	So the firm describes itself as a boutique law firm dedicated to litigating complex defamation matters.
	One of their most famous cases is Dominion versus Fox News.
	So this was a case that was settled with Fox News paying out $787.5 million.
	Wait, so wait.
	So she's like, hey, I really need that law firm that like that represented the people who ended up having to pay nearly a billion dollars.
	Well, that's who's representing the Macron's.
	Yeah.
	Oh.
	Wait.
	Oh, wait, the law firm is representing them?
	Yes.
	Oh, okay.
	So they won the $787 million.
	Wow.
	Okay, Claire Locke, let's get that money.
	Yeah.
	I have a feeling that if some kind of judgment was like ruled against Candace Owens, ordering her to pay any amount of money, she would be like, Pry it from my cold, dead hands.
	Isn't that right, listeners?
	Like, honestly, when I watched that last video, part of me, and maybe this is just being in denial that somebody could be so fucking stupid, but part of me thinks that it's just kind of acting, that she's kind of like playing a character because she knows, at least for her, this is the easiest way that she can do the least amount of effort and make the most amount of money.
	I mean, it's a basic tactic.
	You got to punch up, not just not merely because it's like ethical, because it's a good content strategy.
	You need to get people higher up the social totem pole because if they react to you, if you fight back, oh, you've got conflict, you've got narrative, you've got drama, you have all the good recipes for good conflict.
	And sometimes, sometimes if you might even legally threaten a member of Congress.
	And if they're smart, they'll just back down so you don't get to fight.
	He's talking about himself again.
	Sad.
	No, I think, you know, Julian, you had mentioned earlier, like when we were talking about Candace Owens' early life, it's like, oh, she has no actual ideals.
	Like, she's just kind of following where the content is.
	And I'm starting to wonder, like, maybe it's like within the pursuit for content that the brain gets like mushy and starts to believe the conspiracy theories because you don't start to think in terms of like reality anymore.
	You're thinking about like marketing and posts and like how to strategize and like optimization and like content and engagement and like just thinking about that all the time.
	Like, I don't know, I wonder we haven't really looked into that as a culture.
	I think scientists need to be looking at how much you post versus like your grip on reality.
	No, I think she's got, yeah, obviously, it's got some narcissistic tendencies.
	And so like the Macrons are like as real to her as a boss in a video game.
	Yeah.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	But this will lead to horrible things.
	Like two Jejin like Commandos dead as a Black Hawk helicopter accidentally crashes into the courtyard of the Tennessee compound where Candace Owens is holed up.
	The French SEAL Team Six has canoeed Candace Owens in an illegal outing into the state of Tennessee.
	So after this, she doubled down by launching her eight-part series, Becoming Brigitte.
	Oh, God.
	So I'm not going to cover every single claim she makes in this like eight plus hours of content.
	But I will go through some of her claims to give you an idea of how she operates.
	So Owens claims that both Emmanuel and Brigitte Macron's past are deliberately obscured, hinting at a cover-up of their true identities.
	She alleges that it's nearly impossible to find early records or photos of them, which isn't true.
	There are photos of young Brigitte.
	The fucking original article you read to fucking piss you off about this shit has the photos.
	Yeah, 2021, yeah.
	That she that was like, yeah, years ago, this has been debunked.
	It's like, but that doesn't matter.
	No.
	As you might expect, there's like as many photos as there might be of a private citizen in France who was raised in the 50s and 60s.
	You know, there's occasional photos of special occasions, family gatherings, you know, communion, that kind of thing.
	Photography was an expensive and complicated thing back then.
	Oh, you mean, so like, so like there's a picture of her satanic coronation at age 12 in the Illuminati Lodge?
	For real talk.
	Like I've seen like four pictures of my dad as like a little kid.
	Yeah.
	Maybe, maybe less.
	I might be exaggerating.
	When Candace Owens discussed a television documentary about Brigitte Macron's life, she complains about the lack of photos, comparing it to documentaries she was familiar and raised with.
	So I feel like this is a big clue into how her brain works.
	And of course, documentaries are supposed to include a ton of photos.
	Think about whatever you were watching when you were coming up.
	For me, maybe Britney Spears, Christina Anguillera documentaries.
	Just filled with photos when you are watching this and you're seeing their siblings and you're seeing them at Disney World and you're seeing them, you know, doing whatever was normal for the time that they were growing up.
	A Michael Jackson documentary, right?
	Tons of photos and siblings.
	Okay, she's just so.
	Okay, okay.
	She, okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	She picked three people who have been stars since they were children.
	I know.
	Christina Aguilera, Disney star.
	Britney Spears, Disney star.
	Michael Jackson didn't need Disney, did it on his own.
	But nevertheless, a superstar when he was a child.
	Of course, there's going to be a bunch of pictures.
	You idiot.
	I can't do this anymore, Travis.
	This has broken me.
	Spoken like someone who is not a fan of the Tony Five.
	Yeah, no.
	The Tronieu 5.
	We have a very popular song about clipping our toenails.
	What?
	I'm losing it too.
	I'd be like, yeah, like Michael Jackson was singing professionally with the Jackson 5 at age six.
	Like all these people, they're all entertainment prodigies.
	Obviously, there's like they're working in showbiz.
	There's going to be a lot more photos of them than someone like a member of a Chocolatier family in France.
	But how come when she wrote the script, she wrote out Christina Aguilera, Britney Spears, Michael Jackson, and was like, oh, well, they were all like famous as little kids.
	Like I shouldn't use that as an example.
	I should use something different.
	I don't know.
	It's so, it's so fucking amazing to see someone with such confidence be this fucking ignorant.
	It's incredible.
	I'm fascinated by people like this, honestly.
	It really is the American way.
	Just perfect confidence.
	Like that's all you fucking need to make it in this beautiful country.
	Owens discusses the authorized biography of Brigitte Macron, how there are no photos of her as a child in there.
	And from this, she insinuates that there are no photos of her as a child exist.
	Again, in the first article that you yourself referenced as the beginning of this in your mind, there is a photo of her.
	Multiple.
	I'll tell you why this was immediately considered a departure from previous authorized biographies of a first lady or president.
	And that's because there was absolutely no pictures provided of Brigitte Macrone as a child.
	And there were no pictures provided of her as a young mother.
	In fact, the earliest picture, okay, in this auto-authorized biography was from 1993 when Brigitte was already teaching by that time at the Providence School.
	So here it is.
	This is the earliest photo that they included.
	Wait a second.
	Okay.
	So the caption beneath that photo read, Brigitte Ozier is 40.
	She's married.
	She's the mother of three.
	She's quite appreciated at the high school where she teaches.
	She's about to make the encounter that will cause an upheaval.
	We cause an upheaval of her life.
	Okay.
	So they just went ahead and decided to erase the first 40 years in this official biography.
	She was a private citizen and a teacher.
	Like, of course, she didn't provide photos.
	Like, she probably doesn't want that part of her life publicized because she ended up fucking divorcing the guy, abandoning her children for a 15-year-old.
	And she certainly doesn't want to bring it out, you know, bring it out to prove that she's not, you know, she hasn't transitioned.
	She's not going to be like, oh, well, I have actually a bunch of photos that I was saving for a really heinous accusation like this.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Obviously, like authorized biography.
	You're right.
	She doesn't want to talk about like, well, there was the first part of my life where I had, you know, a normal, respectable upbringing and I pissed all that away because I wanted to fuck a teenager.
	Like again, not salacious enough for Candace.
	Yeah.
	So why has no one uncovered these awful deeds before now?
	So according to Owens, something bad happens to every journalist who gets close to the story.
	Okay.
	She cites the instance of Isabel Ferreira, who she alleges was about to make a shocking discovery until she was mysteriously found drowned.
	And there is this strange case of what happens to every journalist who tries to touch this story.
	First and foremost, Isabella Ferreira, I think I mentioned this on a past episode.
	She was one of the Jeune Villais, Jean-Gillets, the yellow vest people who began prodding into the story as an independent journalist, happened upon some huge information pertaining to the relationship of Emmanuel Macron and Brigitte.
	But then she was found dead.
	She was found dead floating in a river.
	And her friends said that she didn't kill herself, but the media said she most definitely did, that she must have slipped and fell after she took a lot of pills.
	So the woman that Owens is referring to is actually not a journalist.
	She was a yellow vest activist.
	The narrative that Ferreira was about to reveal compromising information about the presidential couple appears in like some conspiracy and activists like WordPress sites and it sites like a friend's Facebook post.
	So the woman was discovered drowned at the Rance Dam near St. Malone.
	So according to the St. Malo prosecutor, the autopsy found water in the lungs, which is consistent with drowning and not like, no, like not like murder and being thrown in the water.
	And no injury suggesting any sort of like third-party involvement.
	So the press also reported that investigators found empty sleep aid packets in her hotel room.
	Okay.
	So just she just picked like a yellow vest person who died.
	She's like, yeah, she was too close to the truth.
	Discounting the fact that there's tons of other people that have pushed this that have been way more central and still are very much alive, very much still talking to the dead.
	Yeah, like the originators of this conspiracy theory are very much alive and also winning in court so far, you know.
	Yeah, Roy and Ray.
	I'm sure they would love to go on Candace a platform like Candace Owens' Ray and Rowe.
	Where's where are you doing the Ray Ray?
	Where Ryburo?
	Get him on there.
	This is just another instance of her.
	Like, she again, this was like on some French conspiracy blogs, and she just parroted it.
	She just knows that she's not creative, she just wants a narrative that she can push.
	And there's like, well, if shit, like, you know, like my audience isn't familiar with like fucking French conspiracy theories, there's got to be a French contact.
	She has a French connection, she must have someone like feeding her this shit.
	Yes, it's that's Xavier Boussard.
	Yeah, oh, yeah, Boussard.
	Okay, so I found that they're actually tied to like a wider conspiracy theory that Macron has a personal hit squad, which regularly takes out his opposition, the Macron body count.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So the conspiracy theory was pushed by an organization called the Foundation to Battle Injustice, which is based in Russia.
	It uses an RU top-level domain name.
	And I'm sorry to say, Julian, that's been incredibly linked to Russian intelligence.
	Why am you?
	Are you fucking sorry?
	What am I?
	Some sort of Russian intelligence guy.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	They found us out.
	Sorry about your.
	Yeah.
	So the organization was launched by the late Russian oligarch Yevgeny Progozin.
	It's currently operated by a woman named Oksana Vovic.
	So there's a Russian national who was imprisoned for two years in the United States for money laundering.
	No acts under the name Amira Terada.
	Okay.
	So this is what that fake Russian NGO had to say about this story.
	For this part of the investigation, human rights activists from the Foundation to Battle Injustice were able to contact a current member of the French National Assembly who claims to have directly witnessed the creation of Macron's assassination squad.
	According to the Foundation source, the unit named Lilly in honor of the Fleur de Lis, the symbol of France's monarchy at its peak, consists of 40 to 50 people from France's elite intelligence services.
	The squad's mission is extreme but clear: to eliminate any person or group that could destabilize Macron's rule.
	The way the way that they describe this sounds like they like peeked through a door during like the suiting up montage, you know?
	Why does it take 40 to 50 people to like kill some woman?
	Drown someone.
	Yeah, why does it take 40 to 50 people to kill a sleeping aid addict?
	It's like, how many, how many French intelligence people does it take to screw in a light bulb?
	They're like, oh, she is already dead.
	And they're like, no, she's merely asleep.
	So Owen's, she often just like is often like looking at photos and saying, that doesn't seem right or whatever.
	So she claims that an old Trugnoll family photo proves that like something is amiss.
	So there's this family photo where young Brigitte is sitting on her mother's lap, but she claims that there's a boy in the photo, which Owen says is unaccounted for.
	That's just John Michelle Trugneau.
	Not just accounted for, still is alive and exists.
	Yeah.
	So the implications that that boy is really Brigitte as a youngster, which, of course, it's just John Michelle.
	So this is what she said.
	We're being told that Brigitte is this little girl in the lap of her mother sitting here in the front.
	But the public, just quickly taking a glance here, thought, wait a second, Brigitte looks more like that little boy on the far left.
	And wait a second, who is that little boy in the far left?
	He's completely unaccounted for.
	Thus far, okay, leading up to this moment, despite so much press surrounding Brigitte, her life, her married life, her being a teacher, despite entire genealogical websites that were dedicated to her family, there was no mention on the genealogical websites or in the press of the boy on the far left.
	Okay, you fucking idiot.
	There's literally a girl and a boy in the photo.
	She's just, she's just, he's the older brother.
	You have the photo.
	You have the photo.
	How is this proof of what you're saying?
	This is literally disproves you, you dumb idiot.
	Exo XO Candace.
	You've been listening to another theory by Exo Candace.
	Dude, it's like, it is strange.
	Like, she's like, you know, like well made up and her hair's done well and like she's got studio lights and she wears these fashionable tops and she's like spewing like just gutter bullshit insane conspiracy theories.
	It's a weird contrast.
	Yeah.
	It's just the energy of like Oprah, kind of.
	Just like, hey, just like I'm a regular person just like you.
	XOXO Candace.
	Next week we discover what parts of the body the Jews don't eat.
	And it's not the foreskin.
	They don't like the fingers and toes.
	She's awesome, man.
	So cooked.
	Now let's get into the MKUltra shit.
	Great.
	Fantastic.
	How the fuck is the CIA involved in Brigitte Michael?
	I was very disappointed.
	This is like, it's real trash.
	So one of the ways that she supports the insinuation that Emil Macron is mind-controlled as part of the CIA's MKUltra program is by noting that Brigitte Macron was born on the same day that the MKUltra program started.
	That's so insane.
	Wow.
	That's worse than like Q-proof bullshit.
	Anyways, I should tell you that Manette died April 13th.
	And I'm sorry, but I forgot to write down the date here.
	I want to say it was in 2021.
	We will correct that.
	But the point is, is it's also April 13th, a day that Brigitte Macron was born.
	It's also the same day that the CIA's MKUltra program was born.
	And if you've been watching my new series, it is I am borderline obsessed with learning everything that I can about the MKUltra program.
	I think just borderline.
	I think you could lose obsessed after that.
	She's just a shit coder.
	Like, I actually think this actually, to me, like, just shows that this person may be on the payroll.
	Like, at this point, I'm like, who's her handler?
	The fuck is she doing?
	She's like hired to make the dumbest fucking claims and then switch to MK Ultra and be like, I'm also covering this and just makes it look like MK Ultra's bullshit, which it isn't, obviously.
	But like, she is truly doing some of the best shit coding I've seen in a while.
	It's funny because she keeps saying like on my news series, which is like, it's got to sound like she's insinuating that it's like, oh, it's like a raw, more truth.
	But it's like, well, like, you're already there.
	I mean, this is so like.
	Yeah.
	I now believe she's, she's somehow CIA.
	Candace.
	Good, good, good.
	So obviously that's that's pretty thin.
	Well, she does she have.
	Uh, so she does note that like MK Ultra experiments involved isolating subjects that were being experimented upon.
	This is true.
	And then she also notes that Emmanuel Macron, as a young man, as a child, was kind of a loner.
	Really, the main point of them trying to condition the brain, trying to brainwash people sometimes through isolation, which it sounds like Emmanuel Macron spent a ton of time isolated throughout his childhood.
	I mean, he's acknowledging that he lived through books and his friends are acknowledging or what should be friends are acknowledging that he was kind of a loner and on his own.
	So he would experiment psychologically through isolation, through drugs, you know, LSD, drugging people to see if they could get them to commit crimes or to commit other acts unwittingly, essentially trying to establish a Manchurian candidate.
	I mean, yeah, yeah, dude, this is spook shit, man.
	She's like, it's so perfect.
	Like being this dumb and then just like bringing up MK Ultra, making it seem completely incredible and stupid.
	Perfect.
	She's great, actually.
	I get her now.
	You know, it's like this leap is like so fucking, it's like, you know how MK Ultra experiments in some instances involve having subjects trip out alone in a cell because they're fucking in an asylum or in a prison and some shit.
	Well, when you think about that, Emmanuel Macron was kind of a silent, bookish young man.
	So, huh?
	What the hell are you talking about?
	His friends said he liked to read a lot.
	It was so funny, the idea of like the friends of an MK Ultra candidate.
	Yeah, he was like kind of a loner, as in he was locked in a cell and drug.
	Well, also, he had a lot on his mind.
	He was carrying the weight of a relationship with like a much older woman that he had to keep secret.
	You know, he didn't want to get her in trouble.
	Like, yeah, she probably had like a lot of things to say.
	You can't do this.
	You can't, you know, can't talk about this.
	And so what did he do?
	He found solace in his only friends who wouldn't try to fuck him.
	The books.
	You know, it's like the books.
	And so, and so, yeah, this all travels for me.
	The books are not molesting me to support the contention that Brigitte and Emmanuel Macron are biologically related.
	Owens shows a picture of Brigitte's nephew and claims that he looks suspiciously like Emmanuel.
	She hasn't even decided which living existing person that she can somehow blame, like she can somehow claim is her.
	It's awesome, dude.
	She's just bouncing all over the fucking place.
	We showed you this side by side of current president Emmanuel Macron and a person who is supposed to be Brigitte's nephew, his wife's nephew, but these two people who are not supposed to be in any way related look way too much alike.
	Is this just a coincidence?
	Travis, Travis, what is she?
	What is she insinuating here?
	She's like, it's not just that like she's not who she said, that they're this part of the same family too.
	What relevance does this even have to her original theory?
	Incoherent claims at this point.
	Yeah, it's it's it's really all over the place, but I love this proof of like, hey, two French guys look similar.
	Incest.
	And they, by the way, like in those photos, like they're, I mean, it's just two guys.
	Like, yeah, it's like, oh, that's kind of wild, you know, whatever, but it's not.
	What are we doing here?
	Yeah, but it's like, what?
	It's like, so he, they, they, so they've got a secret child or something that they've they're hiding in public as her nephew.
	I don't understand.
	Very unclear.
	In another instance, Candace examines a group photo that was taken at Brigitte Macron's first marriage in 1974 when she was 21 years old.
	And then it compares it to a photo taken of Brigitte decades later.
	And then Owens denies that they look alike.
	So once again, the photos you said did not exist of her like getting you know married for the first time.
	Like, oh, you're just disproving yourself.
	So, I mean, this is this is it.
	There are no photos.
	And then when the photos are presented, they're fake.
	It's pretty, pretty easy formula.
	Pretty cool.
	Here is a picture from Brigitte's first marriage, allegedly.
	Here it is.
	Here's a photo.
	I want you to look at it.
	Just take a look at that photo.
	We're told that's Andre Louise and that's Brigitte Tragneau.
	Now, I have to tell you, I am not a facial recognition software, but that woman, we can keep this up for a bit, guys, does not look to me like the first, current first lady Brigitte Macron.
	Okay, I know faces change, but that does not look to me like the current first lady Brigitte Macron.
	Okay, just take a look at this side by side shortly after begins a career.
	Maybe I could say these people are related, but just checking it, I'd say, nope, what happened to your teeth?
	Did you start?
	Did you start smoking crack?
	I don't, this is not who is this person in this photo?
	These two people look more alike than the fucking weird fucking nephew you dug up.
	What the fuck is going on?
	So Candace Owens also does a lot of like just gutter transvestigation shit.
	For example, she like highlights that Brigitte frequently wears a scarf.
	I think the implication being is like she's trying to hide something on her neck that might reveal she's hiding something.
	Yeah, that's why they founded Hermes is to like hide all the trans people that are trying to take control of the government.
	Actually, she seems strangely to be wearing a scarf in a lot of these authorized photos.
	Why was she always covering her neck?
	That's kind of weird.
	I don't know.
	Does it fucking get cold in France?
	Wait a fucking minute, though.
	Half of those pictures, she doesn't have a scarf on her whole neck showing.
	The French have like some of the most famous scarf companies in the world.
	Like they are the scarf country, you dumbass.
	Also, like three of those pictures, like clearly, she this is this is driving me nuts when somebody holds up like an orange piece of construction paper and they're like, look at how green it is.
	Like that kind of shit just drives me fucking nuts.
	I'm fucking telling you, dude, she's just a fucking CIA shit covering asset.
	These kinds of people like Alex Jones, it's just like, how about you say the most insane shit non-stop and then once in a while we'll feed you something real and you will make it look so stupid and bad that we won't have to deal with it.
	It's very smart.
	And that's the only logic I can find here.
	Either that or she has a hole in her brain the size of Tasmania.
	That would have worked too if you hadn't tried to stop her.
	She spends a lot of time like droning on and on about this like this facial recognition technology called Face Plus Plus.
	And she talks about how like China uses it and the World Economic Forum uses it.
	So it must be good.
	And she compares an old photo of Jean-Michel Tragneau to recent photos of Brigitte Macron.
	And she says that the technology says that they're relatively similar.
	Incredible.
	We've got only pictures from her childhood, only pictures of Jean-Michel Tragneau from his childhood.
	When you compare this with the tech, the tech returns this way.
	It tells us that this is a high probability.
	And this is with dentured teeth, different teeth, right?
	It is telling us that this is this boy in this school photo, okay?
	This is this boy in this school photo.
	It is returning from normal to high, highest being there at 17.3%.
	And that's just with the school photo and with years of work.
	Okay.
	We're not even comparing this to the school photos when she still had the teeth that you see there on the left-hand side, right?
	When Brigitte still had teeth.
	This is with a ton of work being done.
	This is awesome because there's zero chance that there isn't like dozens of other results that are like way worse.
	And she just like took the four that she managed to like trick this trash facial recognition software running on like blurry old black and white photos of someone who is related, by the way.
	It's very common for a brother and a sister to have similar facial features.
	Also, yeah, the, it's like, I guess I don't understand how the software worked, but like it says that it's a 73% met.
	What percentage actually is, what's the threshold required for a positive?
	What's the threshold required for staking your whole career?
	Yeah, exactly.
	This is, yeah, this is like dumb.
	You're right.
	So they're using on bad photos.
	They're related.
	And it's just, it's just incoherent.
	I'm actually with Julian.
	I'm convinced this is some kind of op.
	I don't know how anybody could be this dumb.
	I'm sorry.
	America is so stupid that you're like, there's no way, no way that someone's this dumb and actually like in good faith has to be an op.
	Even if it isn't, we're like, we're cooked.
	Our brains are cooked.
	So congratulations.
	You've done a great job.
	Whatever, whoever's running this ship.
	Yeah, yeah, whatever, whatever agency is listening in.
	Yeah.
	Whether it's Candace Owens' diseased brain or some sort of three letter agency, I am cooked.
	Good job.
	So at one point, Owen says that Macron's mother helped transgendered and intersex people secure new identities, adding that the family were facilitating the issuing of real government IDs.
	And from this, she insinuates that they must have had a hand in helping Brigitte change her identity in some way, but she is in a legal sense.
	But this is, this is absolutely wrong.
	But this is what she said.
	That was a major, major, major tidbit.
	I mean, that really, it's explosive.
	And it's important for you to remember that as we go along, because that means that Macron's immediate family was involved in helping people, okay, who had gender issues to become someone else.
	In other words, they were facilitating the issuing of real government IDs, which allowed people to legally shed themselves of their former identities.
	There is zero shot that anyone from Macron's mother's generation like thinks anything but the worst of trans people.
	Yeah.
	Like trans acceptance is still really fucked up in France.
	So man, this is definitely wrong, just on face value.
	It is right.
	So it's like, yeah, on face value, but when you actually investigate it, it gets even dumber.
	So Emmanuel Macron's mother, Dr. Francois Nougues, worked as a medical advisor for France's national health insurance.
	Medical advisors, they evaluate reimbursements, long-term illness coverage, and sick leave claims.
	They don't issue documents for anyone for any particular purpose.
	So in France, changing the legal mention of sex in legal documents is a court process.
	After a judge's decision, the civil registry is updated.
	Then the National Statistics Office amends the personal number.
	And only then does the health insurer update its file and reissue a health card.
	Like none of that depends on a social security doctor facilitating IDs.
	She's just mistaken.
	So this is awesome because it forced Travis to look into our public health option.
	He's more of a specialist than me now.
	So, I mean, like, there's more, but it's like, Jesus is just gutter trash.
	So, how has Owens reacted to this lawsuit?
	Besides, you know, defiance, you know, belligerence, but doubling down.
	But she has also made a plea to Donald Trump to make a statement.
	God damn, that would be so funny.
	Right, Emmanuel Macron and Brigitte are saying, You know what?
	We don't like that podcaster in America.
	And we are going to launch a lawsuit that's never been launched before, an unprecedented lawsuit to impoverish her for speaking.
	And both JD Vance and Trump have not issued a statement.
	In fact, where are the journalists even asking them to make a statement?
	Okay.
	A state leader, a state leader is speaking about your constituent and launching a lawsuit and saying you're going to impoverish them for executing the first right.
	Where are you?
	If you are Trump, the first thing you should have done, if you purport to care about America and our Constitution, as you're supposed to be the person that's defending that day in and day out, you would come out and you would say, I don't even know whether I believe that she's a man or woman.
	It doesn't matter, right?
	I didn't watch the series fair.
	He didn't watch the series.
	He could even say, like he said to me on the phone, that I looked at her real close on the Eiffel Tower and it looked like a woman to me.
	Okay, you can see all those things, but you should say it's unacceptable.
	I'm a leader of this country.
	It is unacceptable that this leader would threaten the First Amendment in any way.
	Fucking hell.
	Wait, so she managed to get Trump on the phone to discuss this shit.
	And he was like, I don't know.
	She's like a woman to me.
	Well, I don't know, Candace.
	I was pretty close.
	I was studying her body and her curves.
	Pretty significantly.
	And I gotta say, it's just a matter of time.
	Dude, you're such a baby.
	Like, you got yourself into trouble and now you want Big Daddy President to come save you from the fucking shit.
	Like she is.
	You know what?
	This actually is further proof.
	I'm like, this is awesome.
	This is the CIA trying to take down Trump in the dumbest way possible.
	They're like, hey, Mr. Trump, could you weigh in on this insanely inconsequential, dumbass thing?
	Like this woman who stepped on a bear trap and it's like, owie, it hurt.
	I mean, what she wants is publicity.
	It's like, she's like, okay, great.
	I got conflict.
	I'm being sued.
	I can use this for content.
	I need to milk it for all it's worth.
	Maybe I can get a statement from Trump and like make this like a big national issue.
	I could be the number one story in the country.
	That's all she's really thinking about.
	You couldn't even get this mush-brained moron that we have as a fucking president to like co-sign your garbage.
	And you're like, can we try again?
	Could you watch eight hours of me droning on about black and white photos, Mr. President?
	I'm sorry, but he wastes a lot of time, but I'm going to say he's going to use those eight hours to golf.
	Yeah.
	Oh, what a fucking shit episode.
	I hate you, Travis, so much.
	I know.
	Yeah, wild.
	And the twist was that she actually got Trump's ear and he basically denied her flight.
	I don't want to get involved in this.
	I've seen her.
	She looks like a lovely woman.
	Yeah, I can't.
	Because he easily could have gone, I don't know, maybe you're under something.
	Like, he could have just given her a non-answer like he does with everything, but he went like, actually, no, looks like a woman to me.
	Mr. Trump, did you try to grab her by the pussy?
	Can you imagine wasting this?
	I'll bet Candace Owens isn't even making a ton of dough on this.
	This shit is so niche.
	It's so sloppy.
	It's like, it's not nearly as exciting as like, you know, following along with the QAnon drops and stuff.
	Trump at a G7, just like looking over to Emmanuel being like, your wife, huh?
	Yeah.
	Seems like she might be a man.
	Oh, man.
	What a waste of time.
	Oh, my God.
	People obsessing over strangers' gender and like, who were they?
	What are they?
	It is so like, it is so sick.
	It really isn't.
	The only thing that I can sort of try to like imagine where they're coming from is they feel like it's some kind of deception.
	And I feel like that it's probably something more deep-seated.
	Like they saw somebody and they were like, oh, that's a pretty woman.
	And then found out and they were like, oh, no.
	You know, it's really, it's the subconscious feeling out what is a kind of artificial separation between the genders.
	They're kind of like on a deeper level, they're realizing, oh, it's a spectrum.
	And instead of just accepting that it's a spectrum and that gender might be a construct, they're like, oh, God, I got to sort everybody, everybody I see.
	I have to sort into this binary category.
	And it's breaking my mind.
	And yet, this is it.
	Here we are.
	Fucking, we got the young Oprah on this show.
	But like the way it manifests is like a Photoshop, like mock-up, like time, like fake time magazine cover t-shirt with like Candace XO in the corner.
	Like everything is packaged and marketed and it's Oprah, but it's like QAnon, but it's like.
	I genuinely, I genuinely just hope that this destroys her.
	I don't want to hear about her anymore.
	I'm done with Candace Owens.
	Yeah, you know, I have to say, I am a bit torn on this because as a matter of principle, I think you should be able to say whatever you want about heads of state without legal consequences.
	I mean, that's just that feels like that should be the case, but at the same time, you're right, because, right, this is, I feel like the core message, the weird, sick, obsessive sort of fixation is designed around, I guess, this, this, this belief that there's something inherently deceitful about being a trans woman.
	But I mean, just Ken is just so vile.
	I can't imagine how the world would be made worse if there's some sort of devastating consequences for her because of this.
	Yeah, I'm telling you, dude, the Zhejian is gonna fucking pull a blackhawk down in her fucking compound.
	They're gonna find her holed up in her basement playing video games and canoe her.
	Okay, and that is not an official statement.
	And if it was an official statement, it would be Jake's.
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	Fucking goddamn it.
	Travis, thanks for this episode.
	You guys are so you don't thank him.
	No, this is like really fascinating.
	I, you know, Candace is somebody that I'd kind of forgotten about for good.
	You know, I was just like, I know what this, I know what she's about, and it's not particularly interesting.
	And she doesn't seem to be, you know, devolving or evolving in any sort of way.
	But like, this, this has brought her back into the spotlight.
	And I do, I do kind of hope that like she has this is a real thorn in her side.
	Like I real, I hope it becomes a real fucking hassle for her, if nothing else.
	Yep.
	So listen to Jake.
	He thinks Candace Owens is normal and good.
	I think, Travis, you did a good job, but you did a good job on a bad thing.
	That's my speciality.
	For everything else, we've got a website, qaapodcast.com.
	Jakey, take us outie.
	Listeners, until next week, may the deep dish bless you and keep you.
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	It is very clear that Brigitte Trogneau existed.
	It is very clear that she was, in fact, the sister of Jean-Michel Trogneau.
	And I think that if I am guessing what took place here, Jean-Michel Trogneau took Brigitte Trogneau's identity at some point.
	Sorry, obviously, she kind of becomes his sister.
	That's what seems to be the most logical conclusion based off of everything.
	So, the question that people ask is: okay, if you're operating under that theory, what happened to the real Brigitte Trogneau?
	And so, if we are to believe that I do believe that Brigitte Tragneau, the real Brigitte Tragneau, existed, it's plausible that Brigitte Trognot got sick, that the real Brigitte Tragneau got sick and perhaps had a dying wish to help her brother, Jean-Michel Trogneau, who was living perhaps as Veronique, right?
	And knowing that, okay, well, he's never going to be allowed to live his life authentically.
	He's always going to be had to hiding, you know, always going to be hiding and doing these sorts of things because this is just not a time where people are recognizing this transgendered identity.
	Well, what if she gifted her brother her identity?
	Here, you know, this is not a thing yet.
	You can, you can just become me.
	Okay, that's again, we're surmising there's no evidence that Brigitte Trogneau died.
	There's no evidence of that, but that's what it feels like to me.
	It feels like to me that Brigitte Trogneau did her brother, the real Brigitte Tragneau, did her brother a favor and allowed him to become her.

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