Men’s right’s activists, the “Men Go Their Own Way” movement, and other anti-feminist lunatics skewered by Annie Kelly with the help of the boys.
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Welcome, listener, to the 82nd chapter of the QAnon Anonymous podcast, the Manosphere episode.
As always, we are your hosts, Annie Kelly, Jake Rakotansky, Julian Fields, and Travis View.
Men's rights activism, not to be confused with the lesser-known dudes rock movement, is a powerful cabal of truck stencil enthusiasts hell-bent on protecting their wallets from the snake-like females who might usurp their vital energy, testosterone.
Annie Kelly will be telling us all about these people, but before all that... QAnon news.
First up, QAnon congressional candidates advance in Super Tuesday primary vote.
What?
So yeah.
No, no, no.
They didn't, right?
Well, they're doing okay.
A few of them, at least.
No!
Oh, no!
This immediately destroyed Jake.
Wait till you hear, it's great.
So yeah, March 3rd was Super Tuesday, and our wise electorate had the opportunity to vote for QAnon-promoting congressional candidates in Texas, California, and North Carolina.
A friend of the show, Alex Kaplan at Media Matter, has been tracking how well those candidates performed.
In California's 36th district, Aaron Cruz came in second in the non-partisan blanket primary behind the Democratic incumbent.
So, she received 23,666 votes.
Cruz beat her other two Republican challengers.
That means that under California election law, Erin Cruz will appear on the ballot in November's general election.
Congratulations!
Yeah, congratulations Erin Cruz!
I feel like a proud parent kind of watching them all grow up and be successful.
Yeah, Aaron, he's all groaned up now.
He used to be screaming about adrenochrome and diapers.
Yeah, you know, she actually, she's just down in Riverside.
Maybe we can see if she wants to come on the pod.
I thought it was Aaron with two A's.
Yeah, E-R-I-N.
I would love to have her on, actually.
Why is half of California called Aaron in some spelling?
In Texas, two QAnon supporting candidates ran in primaries.
One lost, but the other, Samuel Williams, won.
Samuel Williams ran in Texas' 16th congressional district and came in first in the Republican primary with a plurality vote.
So just to repeat that, in one Texas Republican primary, in which there were a total of five candidates to choose from, a plurality of the voters went with the QAnon guy.
Yeah.
Well, you know how they're not doing any proper studies of how many people believe this stuff?
Yeah.
Well, we can find out through the voting.
Yeah, it's true, it's true.
Let's just run QAnon candidates everywhere in America, and then we can find out by how many people vote for them and how many people believe in QAnon, and it turns out it's half the country.
23, at least 23,000 people in this one at least thinks that he would be good for Congress.
I mean, this is a solidly Democratic district.
It's Beto O'Rourke's old district.
So it's very unlikely that he's going to win, but he is going to at least advance to the next, the runoff.
So Sammy Williams, he's actually like a serious QAnon guy.
He's even appeared on Patriot Soapbox.
So he's open, he's out about it.
Yeah, I mean, every time one of these people wins, you know, that's another couple months that they're going to be broadcasting essentially QAnon rhetoric on a more public platform than, say, your average message board.
True, that's true.
And then they're going to end up saying that the elites are corrupt, and that they're abusing our children ritualistically, and they're going to be right.
Yeah, and you know what they're going to do?
They're going to pull Q out of it, eventually.
Mark my words, over the next year what'll happen is these people will slowly drop the QAnon, and they'll just do the, where we go one, we go all, and the elites are all together.
That's what happened around Pizzagate.
They withdrew the Pizzagate, but kept a lot of the beliefs.
They kept Seth Rich going on Fox News and stuff.
So it becomes essentially a political platform as opposed to a guy who's posting, who knows what's up, and we're supposed to follow him.
It'll just become an ideology, which is the thing that hooks anybody anyways, and you won't even need QAnon anymore.
But it'll be that kind of thing where you're like, front of Q?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like alcoholics.
QAA.
In North Carolina, one QAnon-supporting candidate, Steve Van Loer, ran, but he was defeated in that primary.
Steve Van Loer?
He came in third.
He didn't do too well.
A fisherman?
Van Loer.
And I'm done.
And Julian's fired.
For my second story, golf pro Scott Piercy apologizes after sharing homophobic and QAnon posts on Instagram.
So Scott Piercy, a four-time winner on the PGA Tour, shared a homophobic meme referencing former presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg.
How do you say that?
Buttigieg.
Buttigieg.
None of us know.
Who gives a shit?
He fucking dropped out.
We'll never see him again.
I think we'll be seeing lots from him.
I would like to see him as featured in Twin Peaks when he washes up to shore.
Jesus Christ!
May not be contained, this man.
Scott Piercy, a four-time winner on the PGA Tour, shared a homophobic meme referencing former presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg, as well as a screenshot of a pro-QAnon tweet from Dylan Wheeler, aka Education for Libs.
So sharing those memes led to Piercy issuing an apology, but it wasn't enough for three of Piercy's sponsors.
The companies Titleist, Footjoy, and J. Lindbergh all terminated their contracts with Piercy.
Golf is not ready for QAnon.
Guess not.
Very disgusting.
A bunch of elitist garbage.
They're probably feeling very threatened because, you know, if you're a golfer who believes in QAnon, you're basically aiming at 95% of your sport because they definitely all drink adrenochrome.
It's impossible to golf without being high on the blood of children.
And just thematically, the ideology of QAnon is so much like taking whack after whack into a pit of sand, you know?
And watching the ball just fucking roll back down the embankment further back than where you were before.
Yeah, QAnon is absolutely the sand trap on the course.
Shit, I can't get it out.
I keep fucking hitting the... Oh my, my shoes are all sanded.
Now I got sand inside my socks.
Oh, this is uncomfortable.
Dear God.
People keep doing it after it costs them everything, all the money, the relationships with their wives.
Much like Zero Net, it instantly causes you to share child pornography if you play golf.
And for my last story, the Q Research Board doxxes Travis View and makes him sound super cool.
I'm sorry, but your real name is super cool.
I don't know.
We're not going to say it on the podcast yet, right?
My real name is pretty solid, I gotta say.
We're still keeping it off the air, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, well, I'm just going to tell you, listener, eventually you're going to find out No, but his real name is so much cooler than Travis.
His real name sounds like a name made up by Marvel.
100% it's a name attached to a superhero.
So after sort of discovering what my real name is and where I work, they've been trying to figure out what my real agenda is, right?
Oh my god, yeah.
It's so hard to figure out because it looks like you're just a person doing a relatively amoral job in a small unknown company.
Yeah.
Really doesn't seem to have much of a portent on the rest of the planet.
No, not a particularly influential person.
It sort of seems like it.
Yeah, so they're really trying to figure, like, what does Travis Yu do when he's wasting time at work in the bathroom on his phone?
And that has to be the bad thing, because at work it just seems pretty fucking boring.
They're like, I've run the name of the company, seems like they're a small time, this and that, like it's so funny to see them trying to be like, but you know, I did see- Well, you know what happened?
One of the founders is from this state.
Neon posted about not doxing him because he has a child and his job is boring, but then this fucking asshole posted a tweet that was like a photo of him with Fred Brennan.
What did it say again, remind me?
It was.
It was like FBI wanted to report that Travis View was harboring known international fugitive Frederick Brennan.
So that's when Neon Revolt decided to dox you.
Well, I don't think it was Neon Revolt.
I think it was the other Anons.
Oh, they all pulled together.
They decided, oh wait a minute, he's in cahoots with Frederick Brennan.
We gotta nail this guy.
Oh, they just heard that a dox was possible.
They were like, okay, neon.
They heard that a clever person could pretty easily dox me.
I don't know though, because the fact that those pictures started coming out with us
and Fred probably got back to Jim and them, and they're in touch with...
Definitely.
It's possible.
It's possible.
I think they're probably...
You're right.
I think you're maybe a couple months away from starring in a Q-drop.
I want that so bad.
All I want is to be part of the conspiracy theory.
I know, he's tried so fucking hard.
Yeah, link to one of my tweets, Q. You coward.
Pathetic.
He tries so hard, as he said.
But it's been really sort of instructive to sort of see, like, because usually whenever, like, I have to debunk something, it's like I see what the claim they're making, I have to, like, take the time to do the real research.
Now I see that the claims that they're making about me and I know my own life story.
So I already know instantly how far off base they are.
He knows his own life story because he's been coached on it a lot.
By his handlers.
By the clowns.
So one QAnon person was baffled why I would work in the private sector and then also like once appear at a panel hosted by the Atlantic Council.
Yeah, it turns out that he desperately wanted the power, but then he was immediately invited onto a cool podcast after and he realized, hey, my reputation hasn't really been affected except for weird nerds online Who are like, oh my god, he spoke at the Atlantic Council, and the Atlantic Council is linked to war criminals, and horrifying policy, and intelligence, and large companies pumping money into it.
Sorry, I got carried away.
Seems to be totally immersed in online marketing, a thoroughly market-based competitive activity, and yet he's...
Marketing is a market-based activity.
Whoa.
And yet, he's involved with the Atlantic Council, which does not promote free enterprise or freedom in general.
Are you- are you stupid?
The Atlantic Council is literally bought and paid for by like fucking Shell and giant arms companies.
This guy's too intelligent to not know the score.
Is he just a grifter who will shill for anybody who will pay the tab?
Yes.
Or... Send the money to paypal.me with whatever attached in the comment what you want him to say and he'll say it.
Or is he just making a living off the current free enterprise system until it can be replaced by a globalist oligarchy?
God, they don't understand at all mercantilism, capitalism, just the basics of economy.
But they do know you're smart.
So a person this dumb thinks you're smart.
So bodes well, my friend.
Now, I sympathize.
I've had people on 4chan kind of make up Yeah!
What's the most sinister thing you've done then?
fan fiction about my life before. It is like a really, really weird experience
when you see like kind of these like recordable things like that you have
done like turned into something sinister. Yeah, what's the most sinister thing
you've done then? Yeah, what what do they say about you? So actually, oh my gosh,
yeah, so this is when I published my article for the New York Times.
I obviously got quite a lot of discussion then and one thing which I felt was the weirdest thing, the only time I've almost really really been compelled to make an account and post on 4chan, it was the time when someone just like commented that they knew me and then like told this story of my life which none of which was true.
Which was about me being abandoned by my father as a child and this kind of turning me against all men.
It was this really long, quite lengthy discussion about.
And you know when you're just a bit like, I know you're lying?
I know you're lying.
So you had to log on for that, yeah, because that's like a whole life made up.
Oh my god, that's so wild.
She had an A-anon.
She had an anonymous poster who claimed to be on the inside of the Annie Kelly campaign.
Yeah, it was so weird, but it was so detailed and convincing sounding that part of me was like, maybe this person does think they know me.
That's amazing.
And I just somehow got totally off base.
I don't know, it was a really, really weird experience.
Did you send it to your dad?
No, I think I did tell my dad about it.
How could you, father?
How could you?
You made me into an anti-anti-feminist!
I'm trying to wrap my head around what that would feel like.
See, I'm lucky.
He's terrified of that kind of thing.
The only things about me on the internet are all lies that make me look good.
I googled my name once and it said that I was 29 and worth $30 million.
And you were 6'2"?
No, it wasn't going that far.
And you had a dick longer than two inches.
No, they missed that part.
But younger and richer.
Oh yeah, that's pretty good.
Yeah, sure.
So I haven't gotten that kind of treatment where I got like an elaborate story.
Mostly it's been sort of bizarre dot connecting.
For example, one Anon on 8kun found a colleague of mine at my day job who works in a different department I don't even interact with.
He used to work for Disney.
Oh God.
That's the connection from me to Disney.
He's a Marvel movie fan.
So they all like Disney, they think it's part of the cabal.
Oh yeah, it is.
It is evil and part of the cabal, 100%.
It was started by a fucking anti-Semite and it is currently like overseeing a giant takeover of the entire fucking media so it can control our brains.
But other than that, fair enough.
God damn it.
And it ruined Star Wars by putting women in it.
Yep, they ruined Star Wars by putting women in it.
They ruined it.
They somehow erased from time the original three movies.
They rewrote the fourth so women could have it too?
Filmmakers, take note.
Anytime you cast a woman in a franchise sequel, the original films, sort of like Marty McFly's hand disappearing in Back to the Future 2, the original films will slowly disintegrate and disappear into fucking space dust.
Aw man, we'll really miss those movies they're making remakes of.
They're all the greatest movies.
I love when they make a movie that I, in my brain, I was like, wasn't that a commercial failure and a critical failure?
And they're like, time for a reboot!
It's been like 12 years.
To me, I'm like, are they making this movie?
Wasn't that just a commercial?
Like, wasn't that, like, an 80s commercial that just was very popular?
It's like, mark my words, in fucking less than five years, they're gonna make a movie about the Budweiser frogs.
I swear to God, it is.
They're gonna be on a big fucking adventure somewhere.
They already fucking are, man.
They're already making movies about, like, objects, but yes.
They're doing, they're doing fucking, they're doing the thing where they like heat it, they boil us slowly like the frog and we can't tell but in a few years we are going to be willing to watch two hour car commercials when we sit down in front of a television.
Dude, we already do.
There was a Lego movie, there was a Moji movie.
The entire Transformers series is literally a movie designed to sell cars.
Okay, I'm feeling real bad.
Let's move on.
Okay, sorry.
Sorry for the detour.
No worries.
But it's been kind of instructive, because it feels like what they're really struggling to do is, number one, make me seem more powerful and well-connected than I actually am, because they want to feel like they're fighting a powerful enemy and not just a dipshit who works at some company.
I don't know.
I find you powerful.
And then also, it seems like they want to remove my personal agency, my skepticism of QAnon.
I can't be out here saying, oh, these beliefs are dumb, because that's my personal opinion.
They want to think that I'm on puppet strings.
Someone is controlling me to make me say these things.
This feels more in line with their worldview.
They're like, that's part of his cover, being a pretty regular guy.
Regular guy just trying to make a buck and feed his family doing various gigs.
One of the sneakiest parts about you is that you're unremarkable.
Very conniving.
Yeah, they can't wrap their brain around the fact that a completely normal guy happens to have 20,000 followers on Twitter.
They can't wrap their head around the fact that this guy has a worse haircut than his Ukrainian stock model that he's using as an AVI.
I disagree with that, Julian.
I think he's got a much better haircut in real life.
It's Annie here.
Oh my god, it is!
It is!
It's been a while since I've sat down to have a talk with you, but I want to be clear that reports that this island I live on is sinking further and further into the depths of hell where it belongs could not be further from the truth.
It's been a tough few months for my country, but more importantly it's also been a tough few months for me.
As some of you may know, I'm doing a PhD about anti-feminists and the alt-right.
This means that when I'm not podcasting with young men whose minds have been irreparably warped by the internet, I'm also studying them.
Damn.
I'm radicalizing.
This is the last time I allow a woman to speak to me like this.
I'm hoping to radicalize you by the end of the episode.
That's the aim.
At least one of you I'll consider my job done.
I'm coming to the end of my degree now, and I've been stuck in the unenviable task of trying to bring all this together.
To try and make a compelling narrative out of these bizarre internet hubs for the lonely and the red-pilled.
So today, I thought we'd discuss some of the best literature of the Manosphere together, and see if we can't make something beautiful.
If women's sexual preferences are liberated and go unchecked, they destroy civilizations.
If women are allowed to choose harem's form.
If women are allowed a voice in matters that pertain to the safety of a nation, then that nation will die, inevitably.
It's as simple as that.
Once you realize this, you understand the entire basis behind civilized society.
Women!
What are they?
Where do they come from?
And how do we stop them?
These are just some of the questions the philosophers of the Manosphere seek to answer.
There isn't one singular Manosphere ideology, although they tend to overlap on certain things.
And as you might imagine, these lead them to some pretty strange and disparate places.
In fact, commonly enough in my research, I've found they tend to just turn you into a fully far-right reactionary.
This has become such a common phenomenon that in the age of the alt-right, even using the word Manosphere feels slightly outdated, given that so many of these sites have moved on to talking about FBI crime statistics and Holocaust denial.
Still, I think this makes it important to keep talking about this network and what they stand for.
Because it's weird, right?
It's strange how joining a community of like-minded users who can't get a girlfriend but want one, or can get a girlfriend but want a better girlfriend, or don't want a girlfriend at all but want more girlfriends to be better, runs the risk of turning you into an all-out blood-and-soil white nationalist or a mass shooter.
But I think there are reasons for that, and it's important to understand how these beliefs work to understand that process better.
One of the foundational pillars for Manosphere politics is anti-feminism, and in particular the idea that feminism is responsible for a mainstream culture that lies to and victimises men.
Manosphere users will then talk about taking the red pill, meaning in this case, opening their eyes to the true, unappealing nature of women.
Why do we need to be, quote Red Bull, and what does this exactly mean?
The reason why is because a lot of guys, especially in today's society today, they've kind of been brought up with the whole Disney romantic notion of love stories and they have misconceptions about the female psychology and how women act and how to get women.
Okay, Julian, we didn't actually have video for that one.
Will you describe what that gentleman looks like to me, please?
He looks like, I don't know, like a Brazilian MMA guy who's into pyramid marketing.
Not what I was expecting, but also completely understandable.
We here at QAnon Anonymous are not ones to shy away from the ugly truth.
No matter how much it may clash with our previously deeply held beliefs about society, we've taken so many red pills at this point, what's one more?
With that in mind, I've compiled some assorted quotes I found on Reddit about the various crimes of womankind for us all to go over together, I'd like to reassure our listeners before they listen to the boys recite these that I've given them all one free misogyny pass for this episode.
What are you doing to us?
Absolutely most clippable episode ever.
Just us saying horrifying things about women.
Please don't clip these and post these on Twitter.
If you do, I will join you in the call out.
Is there any way is there any way to like watermark our words?
And on International Women's Day as well.
How about you?
You want to start right, Jake?
Your mom listens to this.
Oh my god, I just thought of that.
You want to start?
Just that first sentence looks great already.
Okay.
Hey.
He's talking to his mom now.
Hi mom.
Potential, anyone potentially using this out of context.
That's fine.
Whatever.
I don't have to do a fucking public service announcement.
Whatever.
They know.
This is awful.
This is awful.
I don't want to say this.
It's for science.
Women don't do anything.
Have no interest in anything productive or actually compelling.
Have no curiosity about the world and zero inventiveness.
So they have nothing to talk about.
Goddamn.
Their main hobbies are going to expensive restaurants... Oh my god, somebody who's never met a girl and only watched television.
I hate expensive restaurants.
The main hobbies are going to expensive restaurants, shopping, and expensive vacations at the cheesiest, gaudiest resorts and on the...
Well, okay, yeah, dude, if you look like the guy with the puka shells, if you got the- You're not allowed to interrupt misogynist Jake halfway through.
Continue, please.
Don't let that feminist asshole who just talked interrupt you again.
Sorry.
Their main hobbies are going to expensive restaurants, shopping, and expensive vacations at the cheesiest, gaudiest resorts and on cruise lines possible, and there's not a whole lot to talk about any of those experiences except how she just got drunk every day and fucked 37 random men she just met.
Bam.
Go off, King.
Wow.
Wow.
Your turn, Julian.
Wow.
I've personally never met a woman who told me I'd like to go to a resort.
I always think of cruise lines as something that old people do.
I think this guy lives in a casino.
He was raised and continues to live in a casino.
Yeah.
Is he talking about his grandma?
With regard to abstract, deep, or philosophical discussion, women very rarely have anything to offer.
Women are emotional creatures, so the result of her participation will always be a decline in the intellectuality of discourse.
Women are not abstract thinkers.
You know the logic question where you have to rotate the letter L in three-dimensional space?
Women suck at that shit!
Alright.
What the fuck is he talking about?
Rotate the three-dimensional L?
No one has ever rotated the letter L in three-dimensional space.
I refuse to believe it.
He's doing some puzzles, apparently, I'm not that familiar with.
Hey, you know that puzzle where your homie draws a dick on your head because you fell asleep because you drank too much beer?
Women suck at that shit.
All the men I ask say that a handshake is an agreement, even if no papers are signed.
All the women asked say that you have no obligation until you sign the paper.
Women literally have no concept of honor or a person's word as a bond.
Women are dishonest by nature.
Yeah, they're women known for their lack of commitment.
That's an absolute trope out there.
Wow.
These are all really good.
Thank you, Annie.
Jake, you're up.
I'm having fun.
This is just her taking it down.
Why do girls laugh so obnoxiously?
Whenever I see a group of girls, they do the most random noises and shit.
They all flip their hairs.
All women are like that.
It's just weird.
They can't be different, yet go in packs.
Do they laugh loudly if they sense Chad is around or are they just laughing at some incel on their phone?
No matter where I go, a group of girls does exactly the same thing.
Why, really?
They all flip their hairs and laugh at him.
And laugh at me, basically.
The plural of hair is fucking hair!
Where I work, nearly every woman between the ages of 19 to 23 is dating someone who is at least 6 foot 2 inches or taller.
The shortest boyfriend of the bunch is 6 foot, and he's the runt.
It's Fisherian Runaway in the early stages.
As a general rule, short people live longer than tall people and suffer from less illness and malady throughout their lives.
That's not just in the West, that's worldwide.
Even an average height difference of five inches is enough to drastically increase cardiovascular illness and death in the population.
The taller you are, the more susceptible you are to cancer and all kinds of other nasty shit.
Damn, that's why I'm doing bad.
Because I'm one of those big dogs and my bones hurt all day and I take shits the size of houses and I die when I'm like two years old.
By excessively talling up the gene pool, Western women are actively shortening the lifespan and reducing the overall health of our population.
Combine that with everything else and you could say that they are, quite literally, the ass cancer of our civilization.
Nice.
Yeah.
Wow.
Fantastic.
You know, I will say, I will say, I have been watching Love is Blind and there is kind of a shorter guy on it.
Oh God.
And once he, once they- He gets so owned, but that's because he's a true, true cuck.
I'm sorry, but that guy- That guy, no offense to him, but he legitimately absolutely rolls in shit.
I saw the reunion of it, I'm sorry, I guess I watched it.
Oh yeah, yeah.
I watched it all.
Oh, you're the one who recommended it to me!
Okay, never mind, that didn't happen, but love is another conspiracy from Jake the Conspiracy Guy.
But yeah, that guy comes back for the reunion and he's still cucking himself.
He's still apologizing to this woman who destroyed him on camera for weeks.
Oh, it's so pathetic.
Annie, have you watched it?
Love is Blind.
Yeah, no, I have seen it.
I have.
Are you talking about Mark?
Yeah, Mark.
And Jessica.
We can cut this all out.
No, we're not.
But we have to at least discuss the moment, the funniest thing in the world, I just thought the moment of ultimate humiliation is they show, so she's 34, he's 24, and they show him like at his apartment and he's got like kind of like a chunky roommate.
Two roommates.
Yeah, his two roommates and they're on like an L-shaped couch and there's like sports posters and like shit kind of flags kind of taped to the wall, you know, and Xbox sitting out.
It's like, you know, your average 24 year old apartment.
And then she's like, well, this is where I live and like takes to this house.
This is like beautiful, like three story house.
Yeah.
I mean, at least he has a dramatically lessened risk of cardiovascular illness and death.
Thank God for that.
Yeah, he's going to be on these forums.
He's going to be on these forums within months.
Yeah.
Half of love is blind, always becomes visible.
He's gonna be like, oh fuck.
He's like, I always thought like, girls just like, you know, preferred fucking bigger guys or whatever.
But like, I didn't know that it was like... But they were ass cancer.
They were fighting against, yeah, they were fighting against evolution, like... Yeah.
Yeah.
Love is blind is the ultimate red pill, maybe, is what we're learning here.
If it were up to women, we would be so tall that we'd be able to eat the leaves at the top of the tree, and it would allow us evolutionary advantage.
As you can see, women are really taking some serious L's here.
It's almost as hard to imagine coming back from this as it is to imagine rotating a 3D object in my mind.
But what should men do about the non-handshaking, gene pool tallening, obnoxious laughing curse of womankind?
Here's where Manosphere users branch off into several different veins of thought.
One response to getting red-pilled about the woman question is deciding to cut them out of your life altogether.
These guys call themselves MGTOW, which stands for Men Going Their Own Way, I tend to just pronounce it MGTOW in my head because who has the time to say all that?
Anyway, MGTOW strikes me as possibly one of the most rational responses to discovering that actually, women just plain suck.
As an involved woman myself, I even tend to be pretty supportive of men who don't like us just pissing off and leaving us alone.
Unfortunately, there tends to be something of a feedback loop going on here.
Often MGTOW sites will see themselves as deprogramming years of feminist indoctrination in order to fully redpill their users, and so men going their own way, far away from women, tend to actually end up as men talking about women more than anyone else on the entire planet.
About half of the above complaints came from MGTOW sites, and they don't stop there.
There are whole YouTube channels dedicated to filming and confronting women in real life with redpill truths.
Ex-Polidoc, new videos daily.
Watch me try to explain the red pill to a teenage girl.
The idea of taking a pill and opening your eyes and seeing reality like the systems of control... When I say that, is there anything that... You're only 18, but is there anything that...
You've opened your eyes to it as like a system of control, like something you've seen.
Do you think about things like this at all?
Not really, no.
I don't think this is going to be a very interesting interview for you.
Well, to tell you the truth, the last time I did this, These jerks on Reddit, they thought I was so awkward when I asked a girl about the red pill that they put on something called Cringeworthy.
Have you heard of that?
Yes, I've definitely heard of that.
And it got like 50,000 views of all people insulting me.
Oh my gosh!
And you're doing it again!
I got off on it, I don't know why.
It's one of my most viewed videos.
Wow.
Wow.
It's weird because in a weird way, it's almost like he's kind of like trying to get to know her and like be charming.
Like it's like, dude, you, if you're only 18 and just awful, just weird demeaning little jabs.
And then saying it in a really obtuse way, you could just describe it much clearer.
And I'm sure she would understand what the fuck you're talking about, dude.
But this is so weird.
He has cornered somebody in the back of a golf Cart on some sort of golf with some sort of rich kid who's
like well today daddy's taking me out on the golf cart I guess I'll talk to the 18 year old who's like the
daughter of the other rich guy And I'm gonna try to harass her to post it on reddit
Dumbass and then and then immediately regs and then I'm about getting home
Yeah, I got off on it. It's like yeah, okay. I get it dude You want her to step on your balls? You can just make it
about that instead of make it weird It's almost as if like if he had just walked up and started
talking about like golf maybe or like you know their dad's both golfing or being there or whatever and not
like immediately accusing her of like being a part of a system
of control like Uh, hello, this is Frederick, and I'm here at the Horse Race Banquet, and I'm about to interview a young lady.
Okay, I guess the point that I'm trying to say is, like, it seems to me that, like, guys develop this kind of belief because they are unable to go and talk to women, so they form this sort of, like, you know, wall of defense and fucking shit around them to, like, make up for the fact that they're too scared to go and talk to women.
But here's a guy who has no problem!
He goes right up to a girl and, like, talks to her like, Dude, if you weren't talking about red-pilling, like, you could be flirting and maybe, like... Yeah, but it's different.
He has the Manosphere in his ear.
It's different.
It's not even about... It's not about, like, they're being rejected.
He's using the camera also, Jake.
Hiding behind a camera is a very powerful feeling.
It is really nice.
I don't know if you've ever done it, but...
The other person is 100% in a vulnerable state.
You're behind, and your words are just disembodied.
I mean, he must feel much more powerful than usual.
I don't think he'd walk up to a girl like this if there wasn't some sort of framework for it in his mind.
He could use a camera to kind of hold her in contempt, open it by saying she's 18.
You know, it's very framed.
What do you expect them to do?
Be vulnerable and risk something?
Yeah.
Uh, hello, do you also like golf?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He can't do that, and so instead, he aggressively just attacks with a video camera.
So fucking weird.
And then, oh, I love, though, the moment where he takes, like, yeah, 20 seconds, and he starts to reveal himself fully.
He's like, yes!
And one time, my mom walked in on me jacking off to anime, and this other, it's like, he just wants to absolutely be completely humiliated.
And he literally tells her, I get off on it, while he's trying to interview her about the fucking red pill.
You don't think that's weird?
You don't think that would affect the answer when she senses you're horny at being humiliated?
I don't know.
That whole thing is so good.
I love it.
Please, more of this.
Annie, thank you so much.
There's like a hundred videos on that guy's channel where he does the same thing.
He just walks up to women in public spaces and asks them if they've heard of the red pills.
I find it really, you know, obviously I research a lot of Manosphere stuff.
I have to watch a lot of these kind of videos, but this is like maybe one of the hardest things for me to watch is just like someone like embarrassing themselves over and over again.
It's like, I get that kind of like, oh, I don't know, that kind of like, when you want to clench your hands kind of feeling when you see those videos.
It's hashtag cringeworthy.
Yeah, it's a small, really what it is is it's like a small piece of your life just like falling away.
This errant GoPro of a human being is just fucking harassing women randomly and posting it to Reddit.
Cool.
So, while living free from women's toxic influences seems largely healthy advice for men who clearly find the company of women intolerable, it remains questionable on how much it actually helps its users improve their lives, given that it also requires them to hang out on sites that seem dedicated to whipping them up into a fervour about the very thing they're supposed to be avoiding.
MGTOW is in fact singularly obsessed with fantasies and narratives of regaining their rightful control over women, which range from somewhat aimless anecdotes about ignoring them in a grocery store line to musings about the imminent surge of assaults, rampages and rapes as revenge for elbowing men out of white-collar jobs and disrespecting men at every turn.
Now, I didn't make you read out that comment, so...
It just feels like these guys are just obsessed with a very particular type of discourse.
I mean, if I was basing my my my judgment of men on like the group of men that are the most shallow and aggressive and shitty, I mean, yeah, I fucking hate men, I guess.
But I could say the same of women.
And I don't know.
These people all seem to be battling specific subcultures and pretending this represents 50 percent of the population or that 50 percent of the population would even understand what the fuck they're talking about with their jargon and garbage.
You know, it's kind of like a classic conspiratorial narrative in that there's sort of one super powerful group of people who secretly control the world, but that group is half the world.
Like, imagine if you believe, like, the Illuminati control the world and, like, half the population was the Illuminati and you saw them and you weren't part of the Illuminati.
That's a good movie.
But you had to interact with them every single day.
And you're also, like, very attracted to the Illuminati.
Yes, you want somebody to like you so much, but you don't feel like it was happening.
You smell the robes at night, and you fucking cover yourself in them, and you roleplay.
Yes, and part of one of the societal norms is to partner up with one of these creatures, and potentially cohabitate.
Yeah.
They go their own way.
I love that.
To where?
To fucking where, dumbass?
To where?
To other forums?
Are you going off the grid?
It's like they go their own way into forums to talk about how much they all hate women.
Go their own way.
It's always a guy who is literally duct-taped to his fucking computer chair who says shit like, go their own way.
MGTOW.
You have no way!
You're not moving!
MGTOW sounds like a fucking Super Smash character that you could select.
It's also, yeah, Metal Gear Tepid.
Metal Gear Tempid Operation Women.
MGTOW's appealing brand of a healthy, stable, masculine life free from romantic woes
tends to look, at least from the outside then, pretty bitter and miserable.
However, the MGTOW option isn't the only lifestyle the Manosphere offers.
Another is Sexual Strategy, which says that yes, all that stuff about women being the worst is true, but offers its users ways to supposedly game the system by becoming what is known as an alpha male.
This is unsurprisingly something more of an exciting prospect for young men than self-enforced lifelong celibacy, and so the two communities tend to overlap even as they supposedly offer very different lifestyle choices.
What is an alpha male and how does someone become alpha?
Let's investigate.
Nice guys need to unlearn their feminized behavior to become what women really want, the independent, self-assured, elusive, and completely unapologetic alpha male.
The alpha male is the beta male's opposite in terms of following women's imperative.
For the alpha, women's preferences are not a priority.
There is only his way, or the highway.
He's the top dog, the ambitious leader, the rogue, the man who does not need to explain himself to attract women in droves.
The alpha male is neither good nor evil.
He can be a top executive or a gang leader, an artist or golden boy, a rough biker or that sexy pool boy.
Oh my god.
These poor guys like me.
These people are like lost in like cartoons.
What the fuck?
I was like going over the script earlier and my boyfriend was reading the quotes for me and he just got to the sexy pool boy and he was like, weirdly specific.
Alpha men can be Walter White, or they can be Jack Bauer.
They can be the protagonist of any TV show I've ever watched.
They were like, if you're tough enough, you can even be the Terminator.
The funniest thing, too, is this whole Alpha-Beta shit comes from some study that this is my- It was, yeah, it's wrong.
Shout out to Justin, by the way, if you're listening, for telling me this fact.
But the guy who did the study did it about wolves, and there was, oh, there's this Alpha wolf and there's the Beta wolves, or whatever, and then later realized that, oh, it's just family structure, and he's like, everything I said about Alpha and Beta is wrong, it's wrong, it's not real.
It's like the guy who made the labradoodle says he wishes he'd never created that genetic monstrosity, and the guy who invented the weasel coffee where you collect the coffee beans out, he's like, I've created a weasel genocide.
So there are people like this, Jake, you're right.
All those people in Frederick Brennan should all get together.
Yeah, the Frankenstein effect.
I think that guy, the study about the alpha and beta wolves, where this all comes from, it was on wolves in captivity.
Apparently then they tried to replicate the study on wolves that weren't in captivity, and they were like, oh this is completely not true, this isn't how it works.
Yeah, just great stuff.
But these guys have just taken that, and they're like, nope, it's too late, it's too late.
Okay, so I will continue with my quote here because it's not quite done yet.
So, you know, Don, he could be a top executive or a gang leader, an artist or golden boy, a rough biker or that sexy pool boy.
It's also just like the protagonist of Days Gone or the protagonist of The Witcher.
It's like literally these people, if that's it, just movies and, fuck, wrecked minds.
Ultimately, it's not his social status that really counts, but his attitude of mystery and independence.
Women are always revolving around him, so when one of them leaves, there is always another to replace her.
Alpha males do not get dumped like the wretched betas, and if they do, it never brings them the same devastation.
The alpha male is very much like the hypergamous female, always looking for the best option for themselves, putting their egos at the very top of their priorities.
God, so they both hate the gender, but also, like, envy the bad part of the gender they hate, basically, you know?
It's so weird and sad.
That's always what it is when you go to this length to fucking hate it, like, just devote your entire time talking shit about a particular group or gender or whatever.
As a podcast run by three, uh, Kappa males, what is...
The lowest.
I'm a Zeta.
African Zeta-Jone males?
Yeah.
I gotta say, that's another sort of something that this worldview sort of shares with classic conspiratorial narratives.
For example, anti-Semitism often partnered with philo-Semitism.
It's like they hate the Jews, but at the same time, they admire their cunning for what they've been able to do to take over the world.
They admire how devious and how clever they have been over the centuries.
Yeah, because it's all a movie.
Like, ah, you must respect your enemy.
Like, these guys all talking fucking Sun Tzu absolutism.
Like, they're like, ah, respect your enemy.
Like, they're cunning and wild.
Like, it's just, it's about as deep as the narrative of a game or a movie or a show.
Yeah, the guy who thinks he's playing Mortal Kombat when he's playing a dating simulator.
So being an alpha male basically means not being a beta male.
And beta male seems to mean being a totally desperate geek versus the alpha male mysterious bad boy.
Now, I'm not about to pretend there's not probably a grain of truth to this strategy.
In my experience, people of all genders do tend to be attracted to people who don't come across too needy or sycophantic, after all.
And who doesn't want a cool layer of mystery and independence?
I'm not sure how being a constant balled-up fist of rage necessarily gets you there, but I'll leave that one to the experts.
And there are lots and lots of experts out there who can teach you how to be a cool manly alpha male.
Unsurprisingly, many of them want you to pay them for the privilege.
There's a huge amount of online material dedicated to topics like diets, fitness regimes, hormonal or vitamin supplements, and most importantly of all, game strategy, that all promise to make you more alpha.
Now, I'm not about to disparage anyone for trying to make an honest living on the internet.
We are, after all, podcasters, which is about as far down on the digital totem pole as you can get.
But here's where we get to the interesting gender stuff.
Because over and over again on these sites, these experts will repeat how being an alpha is supposedly the natural state of masculinity.
while being a blue-pelled beta male is all evidence of feminist ideological domination of mankind.
There's so much writing about this, talking about how being alpha is the true,
non-artificial state of man.
Men have been biologically programmed for thousands of years to desire a high amount of sex,
to make decisions, to fight, and to build.
Everything that makes them masculine.
In today's world, men are being told to be sensitive.
Not fight.
Be nice.
Results in no sex.
To work for someone else.
Not building.
And to defer to your woman in every possible case.
Not decisive.
That sounded really good to me.
No sex.
I know, yeah, it sounds like so petulant, right?
I really want to get that.
The idea that once you're in a relationship, if you're nice to the person, they stop having
sex with you is not really how it works.
But yeah.
Because they're confused.
They think that that first contact where everyone's a bit shallow because we're just meeting, you don't know the other person, and we're all trying to impress each other, that dating period, they think that is just the relationship.
Yeah, exactly.
But they've never really reached the actual relationship bit where you get past knowing each other and you get to start arguing about dumb, tiny details and trying to be right all the time.
But when you're nice, you have more sex at that point, I think.
Yeah, it's just your, yeah, your love for the person has allowed you to completely desecrate all walls, you know, built up inside, you know, over the course of the dating process.
Yeah, it's really interesting that they sort of, like, they also think that there's a way that you can game this, like, that's what this weird thing is, is that if you do these certain things, like, you will, you know, it will unlock the vagina for you.
know it's like a basically think that that they have a right yeah yeah it's
like you if yeah you can trick them into having sex with you that's what's so
interesting is that there's there's there's a complete absence of that sort
of just like genuinely like hanging with a person and getting to know them and
having a good enough time that you want to have sex with you know
But you know what this is?
This to me feels like the end result of making everything into a transaction.
Basing your entire society around ideas of market and value and capital.
I agree.
At the end of the day, people's brains are so warped that they're unable to access basic humanity.
And so they get into these modes and it's really fucking sad because they truly cannot imagine anything that isn't transactional.
Yeah.
is a poison bug, right?
Yeah, and you've got these guys that are profiting off it, feeding them content in
books and saying here, 21 ways- I mean, before every fucking porn video I watch, it's like,
click on this link, what a surefire way to hook up with girls way out of your league.
So getting back to that point about men being biologically programmed, being an alpha male
is, in the manosphere context, in men's DNA.
They're biologically programmed to be tough, manly builders.
Similarly, being submissive, domestic and passive is the way that women should behave and would behave, naturally, with an alpha.
At least before feminism came along and ruined it by teaching them how to behave differently.
All of this obviously makes sense in the red-pilled worldview.
The problem, though, that these communities face is the central paradox of it all.
If women are such a notorious bunch of stupid, lazy, disloyal, uninteresting, weak handshakers, then how did they manage to take over the world, turn men into a bunch of blue-pilled beta males, And apparently even destroy civilizations.
Here's where we get into the conspiracy theories, and the fun stuff really begins.
So, as it turns out, if you're looking for something that explains why feminists are biologically inferior but somehow keep getting the upper hand, there's a little thing called antisemitism that helps you bridge this gap.
Every time, every time.
Women are Jews!
Jewish people are historically great scapegoats, because in the white supremacist imagination they're the exception to the rule.
While other races are too stupid, lazy and brutish, Jews are considered too smart, ambitious and sneaky.
Non-Jewish white people then inhabit a sort of Goldilocks zone of being just the right amount of stupid and smart.
This is all great news if you're looking for a reason to explain why patriarchy, which is the best and smartest way of organising society, got so roundly dunked on in the last 50 years.
As one Manosphere article puts it, Is it simply a cultural imperative that drives so many Jewish women to take part in feminism and culturally destructive policymaking?
Some would argue it may simply be a consequence of an IQ difference that drives Jews to excel and fill leadership positions.
Others make the claim that disproportionate Jewish involvement in politics is part of a more organized conspiracy to intentionally destroy the moral fabric of mostly white, traditionally Christian societies.
I'm not here to answer, quote, the reasons why, but rather to simply point out the obvious disproportional representation of Jews in the feminist movement.
Damn.
The feminist movement is the media.
There's a large amount of them concentrated in this particular, whether it's true or not, that's like the gripe, is that there's a large amount of them concentrated in some sort of field or area.
Finance, Hollywood.
Yeah, finance, Hollywood.
Horny Jewish women destroying the fucking galaxy.
But that's what it is.
It's never like, oh, they're doing these policies and like, it's this specific thing.
It's just like, there are a lot of them there, I know.
Yeah.
I mean, that's like, that's literally what the article is.
It's just like a list of feminists that are also Jewish.
And they kind of have this like little addendum at the end, which is like, I'm just asking questions.
Hey, I mean, is it wrong to just ask a couple questions here about how many women are Jewish?
Is it wrong to ask questions about the fact that 50% of Israel's population is women?
Yeah, think about it.
You should just start writing women with like the three brackets around them.
Following the path of the Alpha Male is going to lead to you just asking reasonable questions about Jewish involvement in politics and society.
It makes sense in its own weird way.
But this is what I find so completely tragic about Manusphere politics in general, because at their heart they offer you something that sounds pretty appealing to everyone.
A chance to live free of the fear of heartbreak and rejection.
The desire for self-determination is, believe it or not, not gender-specific.
Which, if these guys did any more research into feminism beyond how many Jewish women are involved, would be obvious to them.
But, at every turn, the Manosphere promises you that if you just keep visiting these sites, learning game, buying the alpha male supplements, and reading about new and inventive ways that women are the worst, you'll get there.
When in actual fact you're doing the opposite, because there's always new ways for you to learn about how you're victimised by forces beyond your control, and so you actually just get stuck in the same feedback loop of anger and powerlessness.
And once you're in there, it's very hard to get out of it.
It can sometimes annoy me when I say I study anti-feminists and people ask me if I look at online harassment, because although obviously online harassment is bad, it's really just a symptom of the wider problem.
I don't particularly think this can get solved by social media companies themselves, because I think a lot of what attracts people to these ideologies in the first place is feeling vulnerable and lonely in their real lives.
But they're not ever going to fix that fundamental alienation by staying more online and getting more worked up over conspiracy theories.
And they're also very likely to be hostile to an idea of politics that could actually solve it.
Yeah, they should focus on the real hoax, which is the clitoris.
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Wow.
I'll take 12.
But they cut to a woman in the middle of it?
Because they just want to show an ass?
No, at the beginning it's like kind of a man, right?
No, it's just that woman.
Just a woman, the advertising product.
Yeah, a close-up of her ass as she's running.
No, there's a man holding the pills in his hand and stuff.
I'm sorry.
Come on, boys.
You don't want to see too many sweaty guys, you know?
And then they switch, the first shot of a woman is her ass.
That's the first they've transitioned to her running from behind.
Just great, at ass level.
Man, oh, beautiful stuff.
It's like, take this pill, fight the power!
And the best part is, Alex is always on air, Alex Jones, of course, InfoWars guy, always on air just talking about how he takes them all himself and just looking so bad.
He literally looks so bad and you're like, why would I want to be this red ham?
He's energetic, I'll give him that.
That's true, but that's unrelated to those supplements.
I think he's taking some under-the-counter supplements there.
Do you remember that ad they did for these kind of supplements where it was like a before and after picture of Alex Jones?
Yes.
Quite clearly it was done at the same time and in the second one he's just tensing and the light is slightly better.
Incredible, same haircut.
Yeah, he's just sweating a little bit more in the other picture.
I love it.
Thank you so much for that episode, Annie.
Really amazing stuff on the Manosphere.
Yeah, very enlightening.
What a sphere.
One of the best spheres I've ever seen.
Yeah, I mean, like, you know, thanks for doing the episode with me, because as I say, I'm stuck deep in the depths of PhD editing, which I don't recommend to anyone.
So it's quite nice just to be like, hey, you know, I've also collected a whole bunch of insane quotes that I can make the boys read and get recorded and then post it on Twitter to cancel them whenever I feel like.
It's good to have that power.
Yeah, thank you for all the future content too, as I undoubtedly will go on a rabbit hole of watching this weird guy fucking fail all over YouTube.
God, you're gonna watch those videos?
Those are so painful, man.
I would pay to not watch them.
I think you could probably make a good drinking game out of it.
Yeah, every time the woman looks uncomfortable, drink the whole bottle.
Drink the whole bottle, reassess your life decisions.
Yeah, every time she like reaches for her phone or something like that, you drink.
Yeah, every time she reaches for her phone, take one gun and put it against your temple.
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And now, today's Auto-Q.
Um, you could... I don't know.
You could be like a special ed teacher.
They just kind of like hang out with them.
Right?
I don't know.
Not sure.
What else did you think about?
Anything else?
I just don't know what I want with my life.
Maybe just don't go to college and work retail or something.
And then you'll like work your way up.
You could work in the oil field.
So it's like... They need...
Hope that was fun for you, and you guys maybe learned something.
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I'm just going to throw something out there.
I'm going to see what my mind comes up with.
Is there anything wild that you thought of that you're afraid to say right now?
Did you want to be like a director or something like that?
