The story of Fredrick Brennan's in-extremis escape from a Filipino prison sentence that would have meant death for somebody with his medical condition. We arranged for him to visit the foam palace where we all talked about Jim Watkins and his son Ron's new "Disarm The Deepstate" Super PAC, Neon Revolt's role as their in-house leaker, and what this all means for QAnon.
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Welcome, listener, to the 65th premium chapter of the QAnon Anonymous podcast, the Exiled by 8chan episode.
As always, we are your hosts, Fred Brennan, Jake Rokitansky, Julian Fields, and Travis View.
This week, we are joined in the Foam Palace in person by Fred Brennan, the founder of controversial image board 8chan, made infamous by the QAnon movement, as well as the multiple mass shooters who've posted their manifestos to the board.
Fred is currently on the lam from a bogus charge levied at him by the current owner of 8chan, Jim Watkins, in the Philippines.
He's had to flee the country.
Now, Jim is the current owner of the message board Fred founded, and he's a pornographer, a pig farmer, and a veteran who's made it his life's purpose to defend free speech, absolutism, QAnon, and the white supremacists who always seem to inhabit his platforms.
I guess we could throw in, like, people who like to share lolliporn and stuff to that, but yeah, sure.
Whatever, fine, whatever.
Right.
Just everybody negative and bad in the world.
Well, first of all, welcome to the United States.
Yeah, welcome, man.
It was a pleasure meeting you.
Yeah, thanks, man.
You know, I haven't been here in six years, not even for one day.
Yeah, right.
You didn't even know that the $5 footlong at Subway is no longer a special offer there.
That's correct.
I went in there expecting to get one.
Yeah.
And I came out disappointed and with everybody, including the manager, laughing at me.
I'm sorry, but it's a different country, man.
Different country.
Things have changed, man.
Things have changed.
This is clearly a Goodbye Lenin situation where they should have just given you the fucking five buck subway.
It's not fair.
Like, there's so many new words that I don't even know.
Venmo.
Zellie.
Oh yeah.
Zell, Zellie.
Sorry!
It's okay, dude.
It's okay.
Zellie is like the more European version.
Yeah, like, I never heard of those things before I came here.
You were probably better off.
Yeah.
So before we jump in, Fred, because we want to talk about how you escaped the Philippines, but before we jump in, I wanted to kind of get any listeners up to speed about what 8chan is, how you came to create it, and then how it came to kind of shift out of your control.
So 8chan is an image board just like 4chan.
It was supposed to be a combination of 4chan and Reddit.
So the users make their own boards on 8chan instead of having all the boards centrally administrated and managed.
When it started to become popular, I very quickly could not control it anymore.
Like, I didn't have any resources to moderate it or to even keep it online.
That's right.
So that's how Jim Watkins entered the picture.
Yeah.
And even, you know, he admits this, that he took it over by 2015.
So, yeah.
And then you have been living in the Philippines because you had moved out there to kind of work on it.
Things soured.
Obviously, they've been very adversarial since.
We did an interview with you talking about your fight to keep 8chan down.
The world broadly agrees, I think.
I think most human beings would say 8chan should just be down and stay down.
But of course, there is still a lot of people fighting for it just on principle, I think.
Sure.
Well, it's just extremely poorly managed.
Right.
That's the main deal with it.
It's like the owners of it do not operate it in good faith.
That's the problem.
Right.
So you're in the Philippines.
Your life has changed.
You've found faith.
You've found a person you love.
You get married to that person.
And then one day everything starts changing and you end up here.
Can you just start us in the Philippines?
Tell us how things started shifting.
Yeah, well, I moved to the Philippines originally to work with Jim Watkins.
After I left, I just stayed there because I was married and I do work at home jobs anyway, you know.
And I had a marriage visa, so there was no reason for me to leave.
You know, I just paid out of pocket for medical care, which was a lot cheaper there than it is here.
So I had a pretty good life there.
You know, I really enjoyed the time that I Had there.
It even makes me upset to think about it.
You know, I learned the language there.
You know, I speak it pretty well.
Yeah.
And it's like my wife is still there and I'm trying to get her out.
But, you know, then there were the three mass shootings in 2019 after I severed all ties with Jim.
And it's like the media really started coming down on me.
And I just, you know, had to explain to them, like how HM works and everything.
And at that time, I made a lot of statements in the media, and that pissed off Jim Watkins, who people don't realize it, but he's a multimillionaire, and he's an extremely powerful person in the Philippines.
His income is not really coming from 8chan.
It's coming from his Japanese ventures, 2channel, now known as 5channel, BBS Pink.
Hiroyuki Nishimura, the creator of 5channel, 2channel, alleges that Jim Watkins stole 2channel from him.
Right.
I allege that he got 8chan by shady means.
Right.
I allege that he's hijacked Q. So it's like he doesn't really have original ideas.
He just uses his money to buy things when they're just up and coming.
So you're over there and you're posting tweets about Jim.
Yeah.
And this lands you in some trouble.
Yeah.
I mean, if you if you read the indictment, it's honestly ridiculous because they charged me with cyber libel.
But what is QAnon if not cyber libel?
QAnon is cyber liable.
Read Neon Revolt's blog.
The claims he makes on there, if he was in the Philippines, there would be hundreds of possible cases against him.
Literally hundreds.
But anyway, their claim is that when I said that Jim Watkins might be going senile, That that was a step too far.
That's what the entire case is about.
Yeah.
It's all about me saying that he might be going senile.
That's it.
And we were talking a little bit about this before we recorded, but the crazy thing about it is that him going forward and suing you and getting you charged with this crime, he knew that the penalty is what?
It's something crazy.
It's like 6 to 12 years or something?
Minimum mandatory sentence of 6 years.
So he knows, ostensibly, that for you, especially with your condition, that that's basically a death sentence.
Can we talk about the fact that you posted yourself into a Filipino jail and then narrowly escaped it?
Yes, I did.
You're a literal poster who is being sent to jail for posting.
Yeah, they wanted to send me to jail for shitposting.
Which shows what a fucking hypocrite Watkins is.
Because his whole thing is about free speech and all of this stuff, and yet somebody doesn't even say something that bad, goes like, oh, he might be going senile, which is like, you know, I think probably fairly innocent to a lot of the insults that get slung on social media, Twitter especially nowadays.
And this guy was like so upset by it that he was like, I'm gonna get him in prison.
Like he wants to kill me, literally.
It's fucking crazy.
He wants me to die.
Because here's the thing, right?
I, as a foreigner in the Philippines, don't have the right to post bail.
I can post bail from the prison.
But immigration can arrest me and put me in immigration detention, which is not bailable unless the commissioner of immigration grants you that.
And, you know, my lawyer told me, he said, Fred, a lot of money has been put into this case.
Cases like this do not move this fast here.
It's like you narrowly escaped, like within hours.
Immigration would not have allowed me to leave the country.
He told me that this is basically in his career.
He has never seen a case move this fast without there being some kind of money paid out.
And if you look at the indexes, it's one of the most corrupt countries in Southeast Asia.
So I knew that I could end up in immigration detention.
Which would have been a death sentence.
I mean, essentially, Jim Watkins put a hit out on you.
Yes.
I mean, is that like a fair... Exactly.
No, that's fair.
Because the specific detention center where you would be held is a single room.
A large, single room.
Yes, with 300... Heavily overcrowded.
They certainly don't have any medical facilities.
Yeah, you can look it up.
It is obviously a death sentence.
Bicotan Detention Center.
Bicotan Detention Center.
Bureau of Immigration, Bicotan.
Look it up.
Book a trip now.
Yeah.
They're not going to let their yeah, they're not going to assign you a, you know, a nurse or any sort of like professional.
No, no, no, no.
Well, you never know.
Sometimes a nurse will assign themselves just one of the other inmates.
If you if you Google up like I would when I was there, I was so scared.
It was like every time I closed my eyes, I felt I was like in Bigoton Detention Center.
And like, if you look up like voices from a box, it's like a blog from former detainees.
I actually spoke to former detainees, and they told me, Fred, leave the country if you can.
Like, it doesn't like, yes, you're leaving your money and property behind.
And if you stay like on a Monday, you could be able to sell some of that stuff or transfer or sign papers.
But Don't take the risk of going there, because you're not going to live.
You're not going to survive it, and foreigners die there all the time, and nobody cares.
And your embassy will do nothing.
you know, because yeah, so. So you were, you decided no and what's next because
you know not not to kind of Yeah.
make a point of it, but you're not exactly the...
You have to escape with a certain amount of accoutrements and care taken towards making it work.
So obviously you can't maybe not get into it too much, but tell us what you can about how you ended up
taking this plane and I guess smuggling yourself out of the country.
Well, I had a really good friend who came and brought me.
Travis Few.
Yes, thank you, Travis.
Like I said, I got warned over a weekend, so I couldn't take money out of bank accounts.
I just had what was in my condo to work with and a lawyer, and that's what I had for those days.
That's some Jason Bourne shit, dude.
Yeah, and it's like...
Being seriously disabled, I need somebody to help me on the plane.
I mean, I could have loaded myself on the plane and just made myself the airline's problem.
Yeah.
But that's not right.
And they sometimes bring cases against disabled people who do that.
Right.
Like, so because it's illegal, it's illegal to lie to them and say that you can do it on the plane and then you can't and make the attendants do it.
That's literally a crime.
OK.
So, yeah, I mean, I just, luckily a really good friend dropped everything, flew to the Philippines, and then we got a 12 hour turn back.
So did you like have to kill any henchmen or police officers or anyone on the way?
What?
No, what are you talking about?
Oh.
What about like a, was there like a high speed chase down some like hot swampy river with like anacondas and shit?
Well, there were no anacondas, but there was kind of a high speed between one terminal and another.
But we weren't being chased by anybody except Father Time.
Jake, please come on, man.
Just let him tell his story.
Okay, okay.
Sorry, my bad.
Go ahead, Fred.
Yeah, it's fine.
Don't worry about it.
So, I'm a 19th, which was like, I got warned.
So you were like, sitting in your place, or whatever, and all of a sudden, two masked men burst through the windows with MP5s slung over their shoulders.
Delete the tweet!
Wait!
One of the masked men yelled.
Fred couldn't be sure, but his voice sounded an awful lot like Jim Watkins.
The other, larger figure had an oafish, cumbersome body type, similar to Jim's son Ron, but
many people look like that.
In fact, it probably wasn't Jim Watkins or his boy.
At all.
Filipina scholar... government...
Filipina...
Philippines government?
Oh shit man.
One of the men seemed to be struggling with his repel harness.
He had become twisted in the ropes, rendering himself completely useless.
The other spoke, Call me senile, do you?
Well if I'm senile, then the cat's in the cradle of the silver spoon.
Uh, Jake, you know literally none of that happened, how you're saying it.
C'mon, c'mon man, please.
denying anything that could be a potential escape route, the older man took an aggressive step towards Frederick
and stubbed his toe on a raised piece of the living room floor.
He clutched his foot, howling in pain as he hopped around the living room,
spilling loose change and discarded gum wrappers everywhere.
Jake, you know, literally none of that happened how you're saying it.
Come on, come on, man, please.
Yeah, I have to admit, I wanna hear it now.
Yeah, I guess I'll hear the rest.
Okay, okay, I'll go back a little.
Alright, alright.
So, he clutched his foot, howling in pain as he hopped around the living room, spilling loose change and discarded gum wrappers everywhere.
And then you said, Ugh, sick'em girl.
Without warning, an adorable small Pomeranian hurled itself out of nowhere and squarely attached itself to the intruder's genitals.
Oh my god.
He once again howled in pain.
With both men incapacitated, Frederick quickly wheeled himself towards the door.
Once in the hallway, he ducked into a nearby elevator and headed towards the main floor
of the medium-sized apartment complex.
His communicator blipped to life.
A call was coming in.
Frederick answered.
Uh, sorry, just, are you ever gonna let me tell the real story?
Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, just one, we're like really close, this is like a really, like a really good part coming up, so maybe just like a couple, just a couple more lines.
Yeah, Fred, like we're having you on, but honestly this isn't the best part of the podcast, so.
Can you just?
Alright, alright, alright, alright.
I guess I will shut up and let you guys do it how you want to do it.
Okay, amazing.
You're being a little bit difficult right now, Fred.
Yeah, I know I am.
I'll let it slide, but.
Yeah, okay, alright.
Alright, thanks.
Um, I will, I'll just go back like a little bit.
His communicator blipped to life.
A call was coming in.
Frederick answered.
Hello?
Hello, Frederick.
Or should I say, Hot Wheels.
Ugh, this is ridiculous.
Morpheus?
I know you've been looking for me.
I don't have time to tell you why you should trust me.
I can explain later.
Right now, you need to get out.
into the street. People were walking by, seemingly unaware of the melee that had just taken place
a couple stories up. Morpheus continued to speak.
I don't have time to tell you why you should trust me. I can explain later. Right now,
you need to get out. They're coming for you.
Who is Morpheus?
All of a sudden, a 747 flying high in the sky executes a gravity-defying U-turn, aiming the nose of the jumbo jet right at Frederick.
Dude, that could never ever happen.
How is that even possible?
Morpheus spoke again, more urgent now.
There's a phone.
Do you see it?
Fred did.
At the end of the block, a single telephone booth stood, empty, on the corner.
The phone began to ring.
Answer it.
It's the only way out.
Fred began to wheel himself towards the booth.
He glanced up into the sky.
The jet was getting closer by the second.
Fred squinted.
Through the giant front window of the plane, he could just make out the two pilots.
Two similar looking men who could have easily passed for father and son.
Were they the same ones who had stormed his apartment?
Now wasn't the time to figure it out as the 747 streaked a thick trail of black smoke through the clear sky as it barreled towards the ground.
Now merely a mile at most away from Fred.
He finally reached the booth.
The screaming jet was almost on him.
One of the pilots had his phone out, talking to it.
Apparently!
Live streaming the entire event!
Once in the booth, Fred spun his chair, knocking into its side and causing the ringing phone to come loose from its hook.
It landed squarely in Fred's hand.
He looked up to see the faces of the two men flying the plane.
They were just now realizing that their demise was imminent.
Expressions of regret and frustration filled their faces.
Fred put the receiver to his ear.
Everything smashed to black.
Wow.
Wow, what a... I'll bet it was just like that.
You're fired, dude.
I can't believe how much time you've wasted.
Even for you.
Fred, you could go ahead and tell us the actual story now.
Yeah, we really want to actually hear the real story.
I apologize for being rude to you earlier.
I didn't mean to say that.
No, no, no problem at all.
So a really good friend who, you know, doesn't want to be mixed up in this because it's like, you know, they're, you know, just a little bit worried about like legal consequences and stuff like that.
So I'm keeping them totally out of it.
Somebody doesn't want to disappear in a pig pen piece by piece.
Yeah, for real.
Like they heard about my situation and they dropped everything and flew to the Philippines and helped me pack and got everything ready for me.
And like we even had problems where like the building like the the electric went out when we were supposed to leave and they had to carry luggage down like 20 stories because it was yeah but like they were super chill and super cool and we had so much stuff that happened like it was literally like I know Jake's story but it it was pretty crazy.
Like, we couldn't board our first flight.
Immigration denied my exit.
I got stopped by the supervisor and they denied my exit because I didn't have the ID card that I was supposed to have because it hadn't been delivered to me yet.
Because, like, I was still in the process of getting the marriage visa.
So I had converted from a tourist to a... It's just some stupid bureaucratic thing.
You know, when I was talking to her about it, I realized that This isn't a whole departure order at least, right?
Like it's just something that can be fixed.
So I called my lawyer and he got a guy on a motorcycle to just vroom over to the immigration office and race it to the airport.
I grabbed the ID card.
We book another flight on Cathay Pacific.
We were originally supposed to go on Japan Airlines.
And it was close.
Like, we almost missed boarding.
And yeah, when it was wheels up, as the Q people say, I was so relieved.
And it turned out that like, The arrest warrant was issued on the same day, which means the whole departure order was issued on that day.
So, had we missed that flight, which we almost did, like, there was a high-speed car part.
I had to, like, as you can imagine, being disabled, it's not easy to do anything fast.
Yeah, you can't do a high-speed chase.
We had to drive up the ramp of the car as fast as possible.
We're throwing luggage into the car.
I had a driver, a great guy, who worked with me for two years, six months, and it was the first time I ever told him, you need to speed.
You need to go as fast as possible.
You need to Yeah, we have to get from Terminal 1 to Terminal 3 now.
Yeah.
And the great thing is that Terminal 3, at least, it was all new immigration officers.
So they did not experience.
Yes.
So I just had the ID card and it was I didn't mention that I had just been declined.
And yeah, they just let me through and I boarded and I got to Hong Kong and I was so happy to be in Hong Kong.
Like, I know that there's like Corona and stuff, but I was so happy to be there.
Yeah, you know, it was really emotional too, honestly.
Yeah, because you have to leave everything behind, of course.
Yeah, your wife, your life.
Crying on the plane and stuff.
Of course.
I was a wreck, I was a wreck.
Dude, I think anybody in their right mind would have been.
Yeah, but I made it.
I don't know, you know, the Q people always say pain is coming, pain is coming, and it never does, but it did come for me.
I mean, I know, but it's not because of Q. It's because Jim Watkins, you know, just he, he does what's called legal arbitrage.
He uses laws in different countries to his advantage and he doesn't care how it makes him look.
It's just, it's just, he doesn't, it's not about any position.
Like people can call me a hypocrite for changing my mind over time, you know, from being one way when I was a trans admin and being another way now, but like, It's even worse when you're doing two things at the same time.
When in one country you're arguing that free speech is so critical that 8chan needs to exist, and in another country you're arguing that calling you senile is a crime, and you need to throw a disabled man in jail for six years for doing that, at least.
You know, like, it's worse when you just are holding two contrary positions at the same time.
Have you tried calling him senile but also promoting white supremacy?
You're right.
Might let it slide then.
Get on his good side.
You gotta give him some sugar for the medicine to go down.
At this point I almost want to be like, alright, you hear this, Jim?
You've put this man through a ton of torture.
He's really feeling the pain.
He probably is sorry for calling you senile.
I am.
It's fucked up my life.
But I never directly called him senile, I just said I think he maybe is going senile.
Yeah, you speculated he might be senile.
Which anybody who watches his testimony in front of the United States government, I think could come to that reasonable conclusion.
And his YouTube videos.
Yeah, and his YouTube stuff.
I've seen him on all four, under the sink, just drinking and eating whatever he could find.
Yeah, really.
If just mere speculation is libelous, then the QAnon people who speculate that Hillary Clinton makes babies, that would be bad for them.
What would happen to them in the Philippines?
They don't have any proof that she eats babies.
Frazzledrip video.
Q is literally cyber libel.
That's why it's so hypocritical.
He is the whole reason that there have been Q drops for the last six months.
Yeah, yeah.
Without him, there was no valid chain of custody for Q. You know, he's the reason.
And I think he's hijacked Q. Speaking of Q, it seems like there's some sort of fake controversy between Q currently and Ron Watkins.
Like, oh, Ron isn't doing the proper security stuff and Q is complaining or whatever.
But you were saying it's potentially just another play to show that they're not the same person.
I think it's bullshit.
I think they're feeling the heat right now because if Q wanted to leave 8Koon, he could do it whenever he wanted.
Just drop a fucking cryptographic key or a Bitcoin address.
This is not hard.
I even made a tutorial for him just to show people how stupid it is.
To move to Gab.
You're trying to move him to Gab.
Gab would have been a good place for him.
Yeah, the hosting is really and it's not in fucking Russia.
Yeah, like, you know, Akun is only online right now because they're using a Russian ISP.
Yes, VD Sina.
Yeah, VD Sina through DDoS.
Damn.
Yeah.
So owned by Sirkov.
Yeah, like, that's how they're staying online.
Yeah.
And now that they're making a super PAC and directly supporting Q, I mean, in a year, they're going to be back in front of Congress.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, what do you think about this, like, this, this super PAC?
Do you think it's just a pure scam PAC?
Or is he actually going to try and, like, push his agenda with that money he's taking in?
So I think he has to push his agenda a little bit.
It's called Disarm the Deep State.
Yeah, Disarm the Deep State.
I don't think he's expecting, like, any of the people he's supporting to win.
But I do not think it's a pure scam.
I think he's going to take a lot of money in administrative fees.
And that's the scam.
Gotcha.
But he will probably send some to them.
He'll do those promotional videos.
They send support candidates.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know, man.
Like, this really fucked up my life.
Sorry.
I don't want to be too dark.
No, you should absolutely, like, be as dark as the reality allows.
I miss my wife so much.
I miss my church.
It's Sunday.
I should be there.
But, you know, I just had so many friends there and so many connections.
Yeah.
I don't want to cry on your podcast.
It's okay.
I do it almost every episode.
You guys really, really help me.
Hey, buddy.
It's not a normal situation.
You help me set up a GoFundMe, which you help me edit it.
That's right.
I always struggle so much to ask for money from people.
All I asked in exchange was that you radicalize to the left and come to a Bernie Sanders rally.
And you said yes, because I told you Public Enemy was playing.
That's very tempting for someone who's been abroad for a while, maybe not caught some good American acts.
No, I've actually never been to a concert.
And that is going to be the next, I guess, the next stage in our surreal adventure is going with Fred, after all this shit, to a giant Bernie rally with Chuck D singing Fight the Power.
If I could just take a minute to ask people just for, you know, things that could help this situation, if you don't mind.
Of course.
Yeah, number one is if you're in the Philippines or have a connection there, go to his naturalization hearing, because I can't anymore.
Go there, oppose, show that there is opposition.
I'm going to have a lawyer writing a pleading, which I'm going to post.
And anybody who just email me, if you can go there and work with this attorney, especially if you're a Filipino citizen, you know, just let's oppose this guy, because He, you know, I opposed his naturalization initially as like a defensive move, because I thought he would file nonsense cases like this against me.
And usually if it's Filipino versus foreigner, Filipino citizen, I should say, you know, the foreigner is at a big disadvantage.
But I think he may have even just, you know, like my lawyer said, it's very likely that money was paid out to people.
And, you know, if we could find proof of that, I don't know what's going to happen, but I feel like the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act of 1977 has been broken by Jim.
Many times.
But anyway, that's the first thing.
Just let me know.
The second thing is, my GoFundMe is up.
I know that a lot of people would say, well, you started 8chan, but Jim Watkins took it over and he used it to his own ends.
When I was 8chan's admin, there were no shootings.
There was no QAnon.
He has taken it and abused it and run it in bad faith.
So if you could help me out, you know, I would really appreciate it.
My Twitter is HW underscore BEAT underscore THAT.
HW beat that.
There's a pinned tweet there that has it.
You know, and I know you're already on the warpath, but I think people would probably want to help you get housing and care a little more.
Yeah, and they should go to GoFundMe and try to help you there instead of immediately trying to mount some sort of rebel... I'm so sorry, Matt.
He's aggressive.
That's what's on my mind.
You will not be cowed, right?
Maybe we could do both.
Try to come for the king, you best not miss.
Maybe we can do both.
Go to his Twitter and he'll have a GoFundMe.
It's the pinned tweet at the top of his Twitter.
I'm sorry to bring up the naturalization thing.
No, it's fine.
I just also want you to be able to pay your rent.
No, you're right.
That's way more important.
And the nurse that cares for you on a daily basis.
I can't establish residency for like 30, 45 days.
And I need money during that time, you know?
Of course.
But it's not going to be like a forever thing where I'm just begging for money.
That's true, that's true.
in California.
Gotcha.
So.
But the more people donate to your GoFundMe, the more you'll be able to be a thorn in the
side of Jim Watkins.
So if that motivates you at all.
That's true.
That's true.
Yeah.
I can't believe I'm being the normal positive person.
You guys are all sickos.
I'm just trying to get some help.
I mean, of course I'm using the money to help if I have extra to pay lawyers there too.
Yeah, well, and I also think, you know, I think people should understand, you know, when you start, like I was, I was talking to Fred before we started recording, when you start to realize the whole scope of this is that, you know, you know, when you have to leave so quick, you can't take out money, you can't go to the bank.
If there's a crime lobbied against you and you're, you know, technically a fugitive, the state can freeze your assets.
And so, I mean, literally, like, you know, I can't, I can't imagine what it's like showing up in a country that I haven't been in in, like, six years and literally having, like, No money.
And nobody that I know.
Yeah.
Like other than just friends from the media, like you guys, like, yeah, like weird podcast guys.
That's right.
That's right, Fred.
We're in the media.
Absolutely.
We are MSM now, especially Julian.
You're not MSM, but you know, yeah.
All right, so I want to talk a little bit about our mutual friend, NeonRevolt.
So yeah, he's written a little bit about me, and he does write a lot about you.
And it seems like what's going on a little bit about the post about you is that Ron and or Jim Watkins Or leaking him stuff.
Yes, they're sort of dumping their, if you could call it oppo, they're dumping their oppo, whatever they have on them, through Neon Revolt.
Yeah.
So he's just kind of like Neon, sort of like, I guess, Ron Watkins' messenger boy, a little bit.
So Neon Revolt recently wrote a post about you.
They timed with your leaving the Philippines, trying to escape the cyber libel arrest war, right?
Right, right.
And so The Post, apparently, was basically alleging that Neon has some access to some old IRC chat logs.
Can you talk about that a little bit?
I can.
So those logs have been floating around on Pastebin for a while.
You know, during the time when 8chan was down, A lot of 8chan's, you know, add-ons and people were kind of crafting ways to try to damage me.
So those logs have been out there for a while.
But I can say with authority that they're fake.
And it doesn't matter how many he has.
You can easily mix fake logs with real logs.
You can control F and just change everybody's name.
Like, it's just text.
You know, Neon Revolt, he's the guy that says that the Discord logs are fake, when there's literally a video of an iPhone scrolling.
Right.
But meanwhile, he thinks that these text logs... These completely plain text logs.
Yes, which anybody can type.
Anybody can type.
Or if you just get like a bunch of real ones and just change the lines that you need.
So those text logs didn't come from a real IRC chat?
They did not come from me.
They could have come from some IRC server, but the way IRC works, anybody can take any name as long as that name is not logged in.
IRC is not... and there's no public record either.
It's just everybody, if they're logging, may keep their own record.
There's really... IRC is totally unverifiable.
What is IRC for people like me who don't know?
It started in the 80s.
Internet Relay Chat.
Yeah.
Old, old, I guess, chat platform.
It was the first place I chatted on.
MIRC was one of the bigger clients for it.
So this was before, like, Prodigy and, like, AOL and shit?
Yes, it's before all that.
Oh, wow.
So it's really insecure.
There's really no way to verify what's going on.
Yeah.
But the mod wars were good.
But yeah, those fake logs have been floating out there.
I don't know who made them.
Okay.
But they were on Pastebin, and you know, the anons have had those.
Of course, Ronald Watkins, you know, dumped everything that he had.
Yeah.
And you know, he doxed a Playboy reporter.
Yes, I saw that too.
And he said that the Washington Post is paying me.
Like, so you can see, like, he mixed a bunch of fake shit in with the story.
Like, even if you don't believe me about the logs, but I'm telling you they're 100% fake.
Like, the Washington Post does not pay sources.
Yes, yes.
And there's another allegation that that you were being paid by the Washington Post.
That's so stupid.
Nothing like they don't pay like, okay, if that had happened, I could have just gone over to the New York Times and told them.
And that would have been a huge story.
You know, it's a scandal, it would be scandalous, because the Washington Post Love them or hate them, and they, you know, a lot of their opinion pieces are very, you know, bullshit.
What about the one from Charlie Kirk?
That's a good one.
There's a lot of bad ones like Travis Fuse.
The Charlie Kirk one was fucking money.
That was smart.
I've never written a column for them.
And love them or hate them, they do not pay sources.
I hate them, by the way.
Just to be clear, you hate Jeff Bezos.
That would damage their reputation so much.
There was another allegation in that post that you had access to about a half a million dollars worth of Bitcoin.
They just don't understand how to read the site.
Not true at all?
Yeah, not true at all.
I am like totally fucked here.
I'm like basically homeless.
I'm like just living in hotels.
If I had half a million dollars in Bitcoin, I think I'd just buy an apartment.
If he had half a million in Bitcoin, he wouldn't like call us and be like, I need fucking help.
No, they just don't understand how to read the site.
And Bitcoin wasn't worth that much at the time.
And of course, they don't understand how to read that, you know, it's all been sent to other addresses.
You're my only hope, yeah.
No, they just don't understand how to read the site.
Yeah.
And Bitcoin wasn't worth that much at the time, and of course, they don't understand
how to read that, you know, it's all been sent to other addresses.
They're just, Nihon is dumb.
Until, until, I mean, that's a common- No, he just doesn't understand IRC.
Until, until, I mean, that's a common- He doesn't understand anything.
Until Fred opens his digital pockets and I see little flies flying out of the empty pockets.
Digital pockets.
Digitally.
My avatar in Second Life.
I want ASCII flies coming out of your digital wallet.
This is a common theme, though, in QAnon, that they misinterpret data.
I mean, that's sort of what they do.
It's just like the sealed indictments.
Exactly.
That's their job, pretty much.
They read the website wrong.
Exactly.
They fucking love it.
All right.
They're like, numbers?
What if we switch the order?
You can't give them anything, they destroy it.
What if we assign letters but not the actual number assignment?
Let's subtract three before then and then it'll line up to everything that we need.
It always starts with, on the surface, this seems to mean nothing.
Alright, there's one other allegation about you that's sort of floating along that I want you to address.
So, is it true that you are somehow related to former CIA Director John Bryden?
Take the fifth on this one.
No, I'm not.
I wish I was.
I wish I was.
Because I would just call up daddy or grandpappy to help.
He would have helped my ass, I'm sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, Brennan is one of the most common surnames in the United States.
These people have brain worms.
They're idiots.
They don't know this, but Fred Brennan is actually the result of Brennan's Super Soldier program gone terribly wrong.
He was supposed to be a Superman and he could originally zap people in the eyes, fly and shit like that.
But then I just ended up as a fat cripple.
What happened?
And you know what?
I'm going to sue the US government.
And the deep state turned their back on you.
And that's, they're just, they're very much family friends.
Mr. Brennan, if you're out there, if you're listening, the CIA should donate, 100%, they should donate to Fred.
They should donate the money that you've earned from the cocaine that you've pumped out into the streets this week, just this week alone.
That's right.
Please, pump it back into Frederick's GoFundMe.
The least you can do is get the guy an apartment.
We're asking cops to spend 10 less arrests this week and spend 10 bucks on Fred Brennan's.
So stop arresting people and also pay him money.
Thank you.
Thank you.
That's right.
Yeah.
Anytime.
We love telling the police what to do on this show.
Absolutely.
So...
laughter Man.
So.
So, yeah.
So now you're here.
And I suppose, I mean, even if maybe it wasn't your choice, it seems like you're going to be building a life in the United States.
Yeah, it seems like that's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to establish residency in California.
I'm going to go back to, you know, I was working on a project called Font Forge before.
It's just a font editor, you know.
I have friends there who are helping me too.
Cool.
It's like all my co-workers are internet people and everybody I know is from the internet, so it's kind of tough.
Yeah, I mean, everybody has, you know, really come together.
So.
In a weird way, it is like you've sort of been ejected from the, you know, from the matrix of this whole online world where everything, that's how you knew how to get places.
That's where people owe you favors.
You owe them out there.
When I came back here, I just felt like I was 16 again.
Yeah.
Like celebrating getting a bank account and getting a place to live on your own.
Like, I literally feel like a teenager.
Yeah, but luckily, you know, parents are awesome.
I mean, you know, I always, anytime I have to go like, you know, stay with my parents or something,
you know, you turn from like a 30 year old to a 30 something year old,
yeah, you're back to being like 12 years old again.
It's a humbling experience.
And so, yeah.
But luckily, you know, parents are awesome.
My mom just, she just puts up with my shit, you know?
Yeah.
You know, she puts up with me.
And so you used to live on the East Coast, and famously there's a story where cops, you went in to like, I guess, be a witness, and then the cops left you out in the cold for like, I don't know how long, and you almost died basically from that.
Yeah, I almost lost some toes.
What made you think that the West Coast was a better...
Honestly, the reason I'm in Los Angeles is that the friend who brought me here, this was just where the flight was landing, and then he would move on to where he had to go.
But, you know, it was like I did not, you know, I really relied on the awesome guy who brought me here, and they made the choices.
If they had lived in Austin, Texas, that's where I'd be.
If they had lived in Hawaii, that's where I'd be.
That's right.
If they had lived in Little St.
James, that's where you'd be.
I have no idea where that is, but yes, exactly.
Oh!
That pedophile's island!
I got it, okay.
Ah, sweet lord.
Well, fellas, I mean, yeah, I don't really know where to really go with this.
I mean, you guys were so awesome to me, helping me out on such short notice, and it's like, you didn't ask for anything, and you didn't, like, so I really appreciate that.
Like, this podcast, the people that make it, they are real bros, and it's not just for content for them.
You know, they really, really helped me out on really short notice.
Like, Julian Field, like, dropped everything on a Saturday and came to talk to me just to see what was going on.
You know, because, like, at that point it wasn't public yet.
None of the documents had come out.
Like, the arrest warrant hadn't been posted.
Ronald Watkins didn't leak it to Neon Revolt yet.
Yeah, I don't, uh, never really come across a situation like this, so I don't know that I'm even qualified to understand it or comment yet, but it seems like we're kind of in the eye of the storm.
Yeah.
This recording might be, yeah, you know, lost in the powers of history.
It seems like every time we talk there's some new development.
I know, I know.
Hopefully the next development is, oh, great, I have a sublet now.
Yeah.
It was, yeah, it was very wild seeing all those text messages from you and then later seeing, like, from the New York Times, the Washington Post, Frederick Brennan flee—oh, oh, that's why he's here!
Yeah.
Like, I had to get the whole story.
Right, exactly, you know.
Some people thought I was joking.
And it's like, yeah, because because it's just such a wild story that I got, you know, an arrest warrant with a charge that carries six to 12 years for saying I thought Jim Watkins was senile.
Like, you know, whole situation.
He's using the legal system in the Philippines.
And he's actually abusing it, of course.
And he's expanding the definitions of cyber libel through his suits.
Because if it becomes good case law, This affects Filipinos, right?
It's not really just about me and him.
He doesn't care about them because they don't make him any money.
They're poor, they're brown, their free speech doesn't matter to him.
What he cares about is the free speech of Japanese and Americans because they're the ones that donate to him.
The Japanese look at the hentai ads and the Americans donate to his Q-grift.
So as far as he's concerned, Filipinos, who cares about their free speech?
You know, that's Jim Watkins.
You know, he's a hypocrite.
You were mentioning that the cyber libel laws specifically are being used by the government to fight a case against a media outlet, a bit like Gawker.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
I can talk about that because this case, my case is so unique, actually.
It's never there's never been a foreigner versus foreigner cyber libel case like this.
And there's never been a libel case at all just over the word senile.
So it really is expanding the definitions.
Almost all cyber libel cases that have been gone to trial and gotten far, like they haven't been dismissed by the prosecutor.
They are like about things that we would more naturally recognize as libel.
For example, there is a case known as People versus RJ Nieto, where RJ Nieto said that Trump had called an opposition senator a drug lord.
And that turned out to be complete fake news, right?
Like that's You know, I'm not saying that RJ Nieto did anything wrong.
What I'm saying is, that is a more obvious libel than me saying, you know, Jim Watkins might be going senile, because what he's doing is, you know, it's like... Yeah, after showing up with like a weird suit.
Expanding the government.
And if people are interested, there's a ton of other cases you can look at, like the Ramon Tulfo cases.
Tulfo has said the same kind of things, that people are involved in drugs, and the Rappler case, you know, again, it's...
It's people accusing others of crimes, and then those people being accused are coming back and saying, that was fake news, you have no evidence.
But in this case, senility is not a crime.
Right.
It's not even a medical condition.
They're trying to argue that I said he had Alzheimer's.
I didn't.
Also, senile is one of the mildest criticisms that Jim Watkins has ever received.
Think of all my tweets, right?
I have made some serious tweets against Watkins.
And this was all that they could nail me on?
So it kind of shows me that everything else I said was true.
Because if they thought that they could have nailed me on it, you know.
And you know, I to this day, you know, I, if you read my documents, you can see all the reasons I thought he was going senile.
Yeah.
You know, he does, he does.
I saw him store all his underwears in the freezer.
Is that a normal thing?
You know, even his Lieutenant Tom Rydell said that he had a hearing loss and that Tom Rydell thought he might be going, you know, a little bit senile too.
So it's like, and his own son, You know, I just don't have a recording of the call.
But when I called his own son and said, hey, I was just talking to Jim and Jim said he's worried, you know, because I asked him, you know, do you have dementia?
Did you go to the doctor for that?
And he said yes to me.
And, you know, like I have so much proof.
But the thing is, in the Philippines, Truth is not an absolute defense.
And good reasons to believe it are not an absolute defense.
Like, even if a doctor says Jim Watkins is senile, they can say that because I had no good reason to believe it, it's still liable.
Because you didn't have the his doctor's note in your pocket when you filed.
They can say, like, truth is not an absolute defense to senile there or to liable.
That's absurd.
So you could go to prison for making a factual statement conceivably.
Yes.
Jim Watkins is cyber, cyber senile.
He's senile on cyberspace, and in real life, totally incomprehensible.
Yeah, Jim is totally not crazy, guys.
He's totally normal.
He is totally the most stable person I've ever met.
I once watched him shove half a head of lettuce into his car's air conditioning.
I didn't ask him why.
He seemed to be enjoying himself.
And you can't prove that didn't happen.
But yeah, this case is ridiculous.
You know, he's such a hypocrite.
Yeah, I mean, he'd rather, he'd sooner like expose his own hypocrisy and also basically make life worse for Filipinos if this becomes case law, just to get after you.
He's so full of hate.
Not to mention that this beautiful world of ours has given birth again to 8chan and it's just sitting there doing its thing again.
Right.
Because they're using Russian hosting.
It's like the Q, the most important, the plan to save the world, the military intelligence operation of all time.
It's so great.
is using Russian hostess to get online.
Like, it's just nuts.
It's nuts.
And the way that these Q people have just lined up behind Jim Watkins,
because they realize that without him, there's no more drops.
And so what the fuck is the, is it wet yet thing?
Why?
Why is his company called... It's disgusting, isn't it?
What is it?
I don't like it.
I'm not enjoying it.
He would say that it's about pens.
Is the pen wet?
On the blank page.
8chan's just a blank page.
Just a blank page.
Which would have been a better slogan, just like, the blank page of the pen.
Yeah, that the pen writes upon.
There's so many other ways.
Never mind that it says embrace infamy on the top and that there's a deep state pack being advertised.
Don't mind any of that.
Or that we're constantly libeling our critics and trying to get them thrown in prison.
It's a blank page, guys.
Totally blank.
I'm a blank slate.
Jim Watkins is literally the guy who holds the calculator upside down and is like, it's just boobs.
Thank you, Jim.
Yes, that's fantastic, really.
You did it.
You did it, buddy.
You figured it out.
And then he takes your calculator and he's like, you want me to install Drug Wars on it?
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, he only played Drug Wars at school.
That's it.
He didn't even do a second of work.
Oh, man.
Blessed.
Blessed be.
Blessed be the stain that is If you have enough money, you can have the emotional maturity of a corn t-shirt.
I'm just glad that Jim Watkin is not Bloomberg levels of rich.
There's nothing he can do to me in the United States.
Well, maybe if we piss off Bloomberg enough.
He likes to do Dickensian things like crush people with special needs for no particular reason.
Michael Bloomberg, can I have a million dollars, please?
Straight to the GoFundMe.
We promise you we'll be making so many memes at some point.
He'll make a whole...
He'll make a whole...
You want a meme?
Fuck that.
He'll make you an image board.
Mr. Bloomberg.
Have you ever heard of 12chan?
Now, Mr. Bloomberg, this is a website that's going to work for you and your campaign.
Bloomchan.
Bloomchan.
That's right.
There you go.
That's your next one.
Bloomin' Onions.
Bloomin' Onionschan.
Free Bloomin' Onions for your first post.
We've got so many ideas here, honestly.
We got you in the lab.
We're cooking stuff up.
We've got so many great ideas.
We're probably going to have to shutter the podcast, actually, and completely pivot towards a Bloomberg message board.
I do enjoy that Fred was like, OK, so yeah, so if you don't mind, I'm going to address the audience just to tell them that I need some help and how they can help.
And then he's like, I'm trying to put together the fuselage of an ancient rocket to propel myself towards Jim across the continent on a ballistic head of a missile.
Yeah, you guys are like two ancient gods battling.
Fucking Gandalf standing between you like, you You shall not pass!
The naturalization hearing is April 13th, Pasek Regional Trial Court.
Bring water balloons filled with chocolate pudding.
Bring escape vehicles, because there's no way Jim is not going to do a full titsuo.
He's going to absolutely morph into two different creatures and start taking over the city.
That's right.
If you bring, um, machines when you press, different flatulent sounds come out, you can interrupt his testimony.
Audience, if you work together with us closely, listeners, we can get Jim Watkins into B.C.U.T.A.N.
permanently.
That's right.
And that's something to believe in.
See, I'm already in rally mode.
You know, that's like another bullshit thing about this case.
He just reminded me, Jim doesn't live in the Philippines year round.
In 2019, he wasn't even there most of the time.
Yeah.
The only way he's establishing residency is through a property that he owns there.
And that's how he's saying that he has standing to file the case.
Oh, so he's flying in, he's changing their laws, he's setting up fascism there, but then like, you know, just, you know, it's only his summer home.
My lawyer told me he flew in, signed the document, and flew out.
Literally that's what he did.
What a loser.
What a loser to get on a plane.
I don't even like, even for family weddings and shit, I'm like, oh I gotta get, I gotta travel, I gotta get a
four hour plane ride.
For this dude to take a god knows how many hour plane ride just to come in to fuck your life is like, what a loser man.
That's because Jim is so racist he thinks that the Filipinos haven't invented sponges so he actually is just taking trips to the supermarket in America to pick up the sponges he needs.
A lot of things have been said today about Jim and they're all true.
He's just a white savior.
He's helping them build a better legal system.
You know, where you can't say that anybody's maybe senile.
Great job, Jim.
You're making the Philippines a better place.
Good job, buddy.
Yeah.
Well, at least he won't remember it in three years.
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That was so much better. Perfect.
I'm fired.
Yeah.
I'm fired.
Don't say that.
It's not a conspiracy.
It's fact.
And now, today's Auto-Tune.
What outrages you?
Someone, somewhere, knows how to push your buttons.
Don't let them near enough to depress the button.
that will make you go off.
I've got a pocket full of happiness, and I hope to share it
when people need it.
I'll always do my best to cheer them up.
So what can you do with a pocket full of happiness?
How to spend it wisely, without wasting any of that?
It is undeniable what makes happiness better than hate.
Nobody enjoys hate.
What is the point to hating and delaying the inevitable smile that will grace the face of the likely characters in that sense?
My country, tis of thee.
Sweet land of liberty, Of thee I sing.
Land where my fathers died, Land of the Pilgrim's pride,
