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March 13, 2020 - Dennis Prager Show

08:14

Ann McElhinney Sums Up the Harvey Weinstein Trial

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	And they both went to the Harvey Weinstein trial, and they broadcast each day some of the testimony.
	When we last spoke, Anne, you, and not only you, I mean others who had heard the testimony, they thought that he might not be convicted.
	What happened?
	Yeah, well, exactly as you say, anyone who sat in that court, I think, who had any, you know, modicum of sense or common sense would have believed that he would have walked, that the case should never have come to court at all in the first place, given the two women that were accusing him.
	However, that's, of course, not the case because we're living in highly politicized times where mob justice is what, you know, rules the day.
	And he's got 23 years.
	20 years for one of the assaults, one of these alleged assaults that are now he's been convicted of, and three years to run consecutively.
	And it's interesting, you know, in the court, we had Arthur Idalla for the defence basically saying to the judge, and the judge was unbelievable, Dennis, like extremely aggressive, to the lawyers.
	You know, who are doing their job defending their client.
	Like, he was a really, really sarcastic, you know, whatever, you know, what was it?
	Well, you know, unbelievable.
	Knock yourself out.
	At one stage, they said, you know, do you mind if the three of us speak, you know, the three lawyers?
	I'd like to say such a word.
	Oh, knock yourself out, you know?
	In a context where you're talking about, as one of the lawyers said, Damon Chirona said, we're here for this man's life.
	You know, do you mind if we have a little bit of time here?
	So he was very, you know, really, really aggressive.
	And I think what, as I said, Arthur Idalla pointed out yesterday was that similar acts and similar cases that have been judged by this very judge.
	Got very small sentences.
	Seven and a half to eight years was the mean of the sentences for similar offenses.
	And in this case, where you have somebody who was never convicted of anything in the past, it's extraordinary.
	And it is political, and it's really bad for justice, and it's bad for you and me, because today they went after a scumbag, and tomorrow they're coming.
	That's right.
	That's exactly right.
	This is exactly the case.
	I'm in a tough position here because I have to use a term that I don't want little kids to necessarily hear.
	The parents can finesse it, but I have no choice.
	I don't think people understand what he was convicted of.
	So let me handle this, and then you react.
	There were two women.
	One was third-degree rape, correct?
	Correct.
	Which, I mean, I didn't know there were degrees.
	I have no problem with it being there.
	I mean, there's first-degree and second-degree and third-degree murder, so I understand that.
	But that was only four years, correct?
	Correct.
	That's three years.
	So, right.
	So, folks, so 19 years to a man in his late 60s, 19 years in prison for, and now I know you know it, and I want to make sure I know it.
	Yes.
	I know where you're going here.
	For engaging in oral intimacy with a woman against her will.
	Is that correct?
	That's the one he got.
	He actually got 20 years for that offense.
	He got three years.
	The total is 23. Okay.
	So I want people to understand here.
	You are correct.
	You are correct, Dennis.
	Right.
	So when I read that, I read it twice.
	So he performed that act.
	Correct.
	And first of all, I'm not exactly, I mean, explain to me how without actually tying somebody down, how do you do that against their will?
	Well, you know, I mean, you know, of course, Dennis, and by the way, without even having to get too graphic here, this is a hotel suite.
	Her friend is outside the door in that same hotel suite.
	The girl involved, who claimed that this happened, didn't shout out.
	There was no kind of shouting out.
	And after this happened, she came out of the room and the woman who was there, her friend, registered nothing.
	That nothing had happened, that nothing, nothing before it happened.
	And by the way, didn't that friend testify for the defense?
	Yes.
	Well, reluctantly, very reluctantly, but did testify for the defence.
	I mean, this is, you know, and obviously, you know, we talked before when I was speaking to you about this during the case.
	These two women, you know, Miriam Haley and Jessica Mann, I mean, their stories are...
	And I've done, you know, I've been around, you know, going to get my hair done yesterday, even telling the hairdresser about it.
	And here's what I say to people, because anyone who doesn't know anything about the case...
	It says, oh, I hope he burns.
	I hope he dies.
	It's incredible.
	And by the way, Conservatives and Liberals alike, which is very disappointing to me, I hope he dies.
	Oh, I wish they would whatever.
	And then I say to people, can I just ask you a couple of questions?
	Because, you know, after, and you, I think, were as shocked as I was at the beginning, when the 90 women reduced down to two, that they could only find two women that they felt that they could stand up the cases in court.
	And that those two women, then when we heard the details of those two women's interactions with them, I mean, it was beyond comprehension.
	It is beyond comprehension how this man is in prison today.
	And it's a travesty and a tragedy.
	And he will die in prison.
	And they're going to make sure he does.
	And it's not a good day for women, by the way.
	It's not a good day for justice.
	And it's interesting.
	I talked to a friend of mine about it, a psychiatrist, and she was listening to our podcast, which all your listeners can listen to, the Harvey Weinstein podcast.com, where we had reenactments, daily reenactments.
	And actually today's one that came out this morning has the whole of the verdict with everyone speaking, including the two witnesses, the sentencing, I should say.
	And people who, you know, once you say to them, well, here's what happened.
	This one woman in the case of Miriam Haley, she, you know, she, the day after the alleged assault, you know, the alleged rape, she took a plane, paid for by him, went to Los Angeles, spent a holiday there, came back, the first person she basically went to see was him, had consensual sex, and then asked him to fly her to the first person she basically went to see was him, had When she was in London, staying in a posh hotel, all paid for by him, she wrote to him and said, "Oh, I've just worked out that you're going to be in London.
	I'm going to try and change my flight so that I'm here when you're here." Sorry, I mean, I'm really, for me, this defies logic.
	And for people saying, you know, are women powerful?
	We are able to, we are human beings.
	We make choices.
	And if we live in a world where women completely have no power at all, I don't believe we live in that world.
	This isn't the 19th century.
	People can say no.
	People can say, I want to be alone now.
	I'm not traveling.
	I'm not going to London.
	I'm not writing to you ever again.
	I'm never going to be alone.
	I'm going to become a member of the Soho Club.
	Tell people where to go to hear your broadcast.
	HarveyWeinsteinPodcast.com.
	WeinsteinPodcast.com.
	Wait, so either way?
	Wait, wait.
	Harvey Weinstein or Weinstein?
	HarveyWeinsteinPodcast.com.
	Okay, listen, I want to talk to you again next week.
	This is extremely important if you care about justice.
	I don't care about that man.

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