Pearl and panelists—including Donovan Sharp (four-time felon), Dr. William James, and Smoothie Queen—debate "black fatigue," a term describing white exhaustion from perceived black demands for space, crime rates (e.g., 50% of U.S. violent crimes by 13% of blacks), and cultural behaviors like high herpes prevalence (34.6% CDC data) or confrontational attitudes in schools. Sharp dismisses systemic racism excuses, citing personal accountability, while Dr. James counters with racial sentencing disparities (e.g., Florida’s Judge Sherwood Bauer Jr.’s cases). The discussion shifts to fatherlessness, abortion rates, and dating trends, framing solutions as cultural rather than policy-based, but ends unresolved amid accusations of overgeneralization and calls for stricter show moderation to avoid backlash. [Automatically generated summary]
Welcome to another episode of Pearl Daily here on the Audacity Network.
I really appreciate you guys tuning in.
I was so excited to see you guys that I literally came here early.
I started my show early because I was just so excited to say hello.
So, today we are doing the topic of black fatigue.
And for those of you that don't know, I do think it's important to kind of give you guys a background on the situation of how we came to this topic.
So, I really do try to, when I'm doing this show, do shows and topics that are kind of topical.
Like, I got to pick stuff that's in the news.
And, you know, you know how it is.
You got to talk about what you think about those different topics.
And last week, I think it was exactly a week ago now, I blew up the manosphere of YouTube, black manosphere, whatever it was, because I was invited onto a panel to discuss black fatigue.
And the panel crashed out on me.
And the conversation I'm really going to have now, it's really out of love, if I would say, because, you know, I really do like black people.
Black people are pretty cool.
You guys are funny.
You're chill to hang out with.
But the problem is at times, you guys just behave like women.
You really do.
and i just i think if we're gonna work together you guys gotta work on that um i mean yeah to some extent i am a grifter I am.
I mean, because people say that as an insult.
And maybe, you know, I won't say anything for money because obviously I was demonetized for two years.
So I could have avoided that had I said anything for money.
Like very, you know, it's like you guys have been here.
But I do want to get paid.
Like, yeah, I want to make money.
I want to make money on the internet.
So if, you know, if that's wrong, you can call me wrong, you know.
But I do mean the things I say.
Sometimes I say things for comedic effect.
Something, you know, obviously some things are tongue in cheek.
I really try to aim for a smart, intelligent, thoughtful audience that can kind of keep with the jokes.
But I'd like to make something clear.
I don't do anything for shock value.
A lot of people say Pearl, but Pearl, you just are a shock jock.
And I really didn't understand what that meant.
You're like, you just are saying things to be shocking.
And I'm going to roll back the clip.
You know, we're going to react to the panel from last week.
And you guys can tell me if this is shocking or is it true?
Because I do think once you get to be an adult, you no longer should be offended by words unless someone's personally attacking you.
Now, what is a personal attack?
I'm going to say the definition.
A personal attack is a type of criticism directed at a person's character, appearance, or other personal attributes instead of their ideas and arguments.
So as an adult, as long as you're not being personally attacked, I really do think that the standard has got to be sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.
I heard this when I was, you know, like 12.
And that's how I'm able to really keep myself cool, you know.
I went on this panel to discuss what I thought was black fatigue.
Now, there was some discourse.
Ilkhan is the guy's name.
The guy who hosted the panel said, Oh, I didn't say it was black fatigue.
And then I'm like, Yes, you did.
And he's like, No, I didn't.
And I really, and you know, the argument was, Pearl, that wasn't the topic.
You can't say that.
And I really don't like that argument because I really try to keep it real no matter who I'm talking to.
You know, I thought black, that's what I love about black people is black people really do.
I mean, they are kind of emotional at times, but they keep it real.
Do you know what I mean?
They just, we're all about, so why am I going to change the way I talk?
What, you know, what, what, why do I got to change the way my talk I talk because I'm talking to black people?
Wouldn't that be, I think that would be more racist.
It's like, they're like, they don't want racism.
Now they want more racism.
It's like, I just can't win.
I can't win with these people.
So I originally left this panel because I just didn't think it was very well done.
It was nothing.
This guy, Big Rick the Ruler, you know, he was just talking a lot.
And I just kind of got bored.
Now, again, Ilcon, and we got to talk about this, tends to go at things in bad faith.
So he accused me of like being offended by him.
And that's what I keep saying.
They, you know, because black people do this thing.
They always accuse white people of what they're doing.
So they're really easily offended.
And so what they'll do is they'll say, Pearl, you're offended.
And I'm like, no.
And you guys can tell me, you know, watching this clip, do I look like I'm offended here?
You know, he's full.
I are their 30 dogs.
So, anyways, see, I see I'm smiling.
I'm happy.
You know, not offended.
I was just bored when I left.
So I try to give them some criticism to their detriment.
They take it.
Sorry, to their credit, I will say they did take the criticism.
They had them talk less.
And I really want to show if there's like two black people watching.
I want to show why at times white people just stop working with you guys.
If you want to say, I want to show how you guys actually cause racism.
Like it's actually you.
It's not us.
Look at me not seeing color, just going in there with a smile.
Hey, so because I'm not experiencing it, that means that it's not real.
This is just numbers that Rick is putting out there.
Somebody's going to call me out.
Somebody's going to say, Fatty, your reality, just because your name is Fatty and you seem like you are overeating or you have a full freed.
There's the pointies.
Okay, we're going to.
This was the worst panelist I've seen in my life.
I actually think the woman the woman brought more value than Fatty.
Isn't that crazy?
Isn't that kind of crazy?
The woman, I would say, because at least, you know, she was going back and forth.
So, all right, let's see.
Then the actual brothers who are saying it.
Man, that woman does me this.
That woman does me that.
And I go tell other people.
Oh, sorry.
I left there.
That was the first time I left.
I think I came back here.
Yeah, there we go.
Are there so much single?
When you're at home and you're a single man, are you not cleaning in those situations on another person?
Most women, as soon as you don't get your way and control of him, you don't see that.
What you do see is a lot of men.
You see me bored?
Like, do I look angry?
I look bored.
I'm like, oh, God.
I come in with a smile and now I'm bored.
I'm like, I can't be on a boring panel.
My time's too valuable.
And I was thinking, I'm like, I could spend three hours on this boring panel or I could do reactions because I filmed, I filmed 120 reactions last week for the whole month.
So now I'm kind of done with reactions.
That's what I was thinking.
And you got to, I'm like, is this worth my time?
All right, where do we go back and forth?
Then they call me.
They're like, come back.
Oh, there.
And then I bring my she belongs to the street sweatshirt.
You better watch out.
Kazeem comes back with a $20 ball.
Thank you very much, Kazeem.
I was just kind of bored.
Like, that's kind of just how I felt.
I was bored.
Somebody asked her.
Okay.
So drawn to KOs over the conference.
Is that a little bit?
I just thought the question, I'm bored.
I'm still bored.
And then finally, I'm like, something interesting.
Like, do you see, do you see my face light up?
Now, does this look like the face of somebody who's a racist?
Look at me.
I'm having a great time.
Look at I'm having a good time.
Usually not.
Okay, wait.
All right, there.
Man, who's seen?
I'm looking down.
I'm like, I'm bored.
Competence through their confidence and risk-taking.
Because if you look at it, biologically speaking, risk-taking did lead to positive outcomes as long as it was responsible.
But you know what?
I don't really make my thumbnails.
I'm being honest.
I don't know.
I don't make my thumbnails.
So I just said to put some people on the like from a panel or something.
So look, although Angry Man, you know, go ask the chat.
Tell him I said 75 bucks to change streams.
75 bucks at 815 to come on.
How much?
What's his price?
He's got a price.
Let's buy him.
I'm a landlord to blacks in DC.
I have real black fatigue content.
Yeah, you know, and I've talked about this before.
I really don't have hatred for black people.
I really don't.
But I have a lot of pent-up frustration because they say, who hurt you?
I'm like, black people.
They hurt my feelings a lot.
You know, I offered them friendship.
I offered them jobs.
And not all of them turned their backs on me, but God, enough, enough did that, you know, a bitch has got feelings.
A bitch has got, do you know what I mean?
Oh, you want to know how that happened?
Well, a bit, you know, a bit like, who hurt you?
Black people.
You know what I mean?
So what happened was I went to England and I started a YouTube show and I lived in a pretty black area.
And I did a show that was like, I had 100% black staff, like half 50% black people.
And this wasn't like intentional.
It just kind of happened.
And then a bunch of them called me a colonizer.
And I'm like, oh, you want me to be a colonizer, bitches?
I'll be, you know, it's just like, it's like, you keep calling.
You guys have created a demon.
And you want to, you want to, you want to say, Pearl, your tune has changed.
You guys have created me.
I will never, I will never forget.
I will never, never forget that Canon event when I'm doing my happy stream and I look down and I see one of my friends made a hit piece on me.
Two of them.
Two people I considered to be friends.
One had stayed in my parents' house.
They made, um, they made videos insinuating, insulting me, making fun of me, and insinuating I was a colonizer.
And that really hurt.
That really hurt my feelings.
So, congratulations to the two YouTubers.
You guys know who you are.
You guys know who you are.
You've created a demon.
You've created a monster.
And I'm way worse now because I got demonetized for two years and now I'm back and I don't give a fuck.
A lot of women are congratulations.
I'm like the Joker, baby.
Pearl, how many chocolates have you been with?
Well, I like, I like Nestle, I think.
I like white chocolate.
I like cocoa powder where you make it like fresh.
Matt, thank you for the question.
We can go through.
I do have a sweet tooth, I know.
So I'm on this panel and attracted to that, even if it's not in a positive way.
It's not positive risk-taking, it's negative risk-taking.
Real quick, not exactly.
What do you think?
Do you think it's anything wrong?
I'm too active.
Oh, we got me a little bit.
You got to switch on.
All right.
Now I'm like, finally, I can't leave with this fake ass persona that they of the man that of her dream and you nothing like the nigga that you had before you.
So I don't think women are freaking those type of men.
Thank you.
By the time she realized that you pulled a shit and you ain't the nigga that you live with.
Men move all day.
Because in my head, it comes future, Nick Cannon, Cam Newton.
And by the way, you know what made this show even more ironic?
The topic had to do with TI.
And he literally is a felon or he is a criminal record.
Oh, hold on.
Like, usually the guy that there's already a track record and women still flock to them.
This is a very visible.
I don't think this is women know, but we hate that we love them.
Like, oh, I love him so much.
I hate it.
I hate, you know, we hate that we love the criminals, the players, the rappers, in this case, the entertainment, the really unstable men we just love.
And you could see this because when women are young and hot, that's when we, that's who we pick.
When we're old, ugly, and used up, I mean, that's when we go for the stable guys.
And we do a very good job.
Yeah.
We do a very good job convincing them we love them.
So now look it.
Look at the difference.
Very angry, very happy, angry, happy, angry, happy.
I don't know.
If any girl comes in and is like, I love the stable guys, it's like at 20, did you?
Did you?
Usually not.
So that's, and we can't help it to some degree.
We cannot help that we are attracted to men that show signs of dominance.
I think a lot of us would we wish we could turn it off, but we can't.
It's just what we're attracted to.
We're biologically hardwired to do that, unfortunately.
So we're biologically hardware.
Did you say we're biologically hardware to want chaotic criminals?
Dominant.
Yeah, dominant.
Because, you know, you got to think of like Ted Bundy.
You know, he had women.
Yeah, he had women writing him love letters.
I didn't mean he impregnated a woman.
He impregnated a woman while he was in prison for murdering women.
This is a real Luigi mangiology.
I don't think that's a woman thing.
I think that's a thing that certain women do.
Well, you are.
There's no land and you respond.
You're going to get the mic.
Let her land.
Not every woman does that.
There's different levels of dominance.
However, we are still attracted to dominant men, and that does come in the form of if a man can kill someone else, we know he can protect us biologically.
So that just is what it is.
So you find you equate dominance with, you find a man that can dominate and harm a woman attractive.
That's one way that men describe it, or that's one way that men do it.
And women do select those men.
So I try not to apply morality to this, good or bad, it doesn't matter because women do pick criminals.
Criminals are more men that have committed a violent crime are actually more likely, they are more likely to reproduce than men that have it.
So I didn't make this world.
You know, I didn't make women write love letters.
Has that been your experience?
Like, are you attracted to criminals?
I mean, to be fair, I don't know many criminals.
So that hasn't been my experience personally.
But I mean, I've interviewed a thousand people.
A good chunk of them did, you know, procreate.
I will say thank you for the super chat.
Hail, Pearl, keep dropping these red pills.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I will stop the show to do super chats because I'm grifting.
I'm Grifting, baby.
Grifter's got a griff.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
It's like, Griff, baby, Griff.
Oh, so you guys want to know?
Sorry, you guys want to know why I'm covering this still.
And I actually am going to get to that.
I'm going to play the full clip.
I'm going to play the full clip.
I'm going to let you guys go.
And then I'm going to get to it.
And date men with felonies.
That's not uncommon.
Especially in the black community, if we're going to be honest, that's why you're pretending to not know what I'm talking about.
I don't know what you're talking about.
I don't think you know anything about the black community, but I will say about the white community, it's a lot of white women that find men who kill other women attractive.
Grifter, LOL, hey, Pearl.
Thank you.
Those are the women that were true, but I won't gaslight you about it.
I won't gaslight you.
I would say that's true.
That's true.
There are white women that do that.
Hold on, real quick.
Hold on.
I'm going to say it again.
Hold on, real quick, Pearl.
I don't even know why she even brought up the black community.
You can't say that until she lands.
I want you to let right now we got strong personalities on the panel.
Please let the person finish and then respond.
You can't say the person interrupted you and why you're talking over me while I'm talking if you already interrupted a person.
Let her finish.
You the first person that respond that can respond to her, Jazz.
You're the first person.
Just let her land.
I did let her land.
No, you didn't let her land, Jazz.
It's fine.
Let's start now.
Okay, well, you asked me why I brought it up, the black community, because you're black.
So you would know.
That is true.
The same reason you brought up the white community because I'm white.
If you're done, first of all, that's very disrespectful.
Gaslighting.
They're being disrespectful.
They're calling me disrespectful.
And because I am grifting right now, let's see the Grift Olympics.
Hybristophilia is a psychological term for the love of bad boys.
Pearl's such a disappointment.
I'll keep disappointing.
I'll keep disappointing.
All right.
Hey, friends, we don't need that leaves.
Jessica Andalides letter and delete next.
Go ahead, Jess.
Let's go ahead, Jess.
I will.
Yeah, go ahead.
So, like I said, we were speaking about relationships in general.
Nobody said anything about black or white until you brought it up.
And for what reason, I don't know.
You didn't add anything to the conversation.
First of all, I was speaking on you're speaking on the nature of women and how we are all naturally attracted to.
I don't mean to keep clipping it, but I will for or stopping, but I will for two dollars.
Shaniquas have pukiophilia, please.
All right, men who are criminals, and then you may appoint particular, yeah, excuse me.
No, that is not the case at all for black women.
Now, if you're talking about people that are in poverty, people that live in certain situations, and 60% of the black men have been arrested by dating.
Can you stop cutting her up?
One second.
Hey, friends, one second.
One second.
I got you.
I got you.
You don't have to ask.
I got you.
All right.
My bad.
Just make some make some notes, Pearl.
Let's go.
That's my fault.
Go ahead.
Just an interrupted.
It's just weird that you would even have to bring up a race of people to even have the conversation.
What lets me know that you don't really have information on the conversation.
You're just spewing points to try to get a rise out of people because that's all you know.
As it pertains to why women choose the women they want or the kind of men that they date, there are so many different reasons for that.
You can't equate a person that has a felony to them being a violent criminal.
That's not always the case.
You know, he's got black fatigue, black people, the urban landlord.
I have a clip of a black tenant getting mad that I called him black.
Very sensitive.
Love for you to play it.
We can react when I bring the panel up.
When I bring the panel up, we can react because I agree.
There are some people that marry men and women that have felonies in their background.
That doesn't necessarily mean that they are violent.
And then to say that black women are the most prone to violent criminals within our community.
You don't know shit about our community, Pearl.
And if we're going to talk about what's happening, if we're going to make it about a race thing, let's figure out what's going on in these white communities in these white homes when you all are raising all the mass shooters.
Y'all raising kids that are taking guns to shoot at other kids.
Y'all going into public spaces.
And I'm sure you're going to talk about black on black crime or whatever, but we can debunk all of that because that's through proximity.
The point is, is that you didn't have to make it about black or white.
Keep it general because it's very disrespectful for you to try to pigeonhole black women when you don't know any of us at all to make that assumption that that's what we are prone to.
None of these women on this stage, myself, Tyranny, or even Athena, are dating any man that is of a criminal or that are violent.
So watch what you say up here.
You got a really smart mouth.
And if you're going to have the conversation, try to be respectful.
And all this trying to get me to hurry up, I'm going to take my motherfucking time.
Oh my God.
She has the rave, friends.
We don't need it.
When she lands, she lands, Pearl, we'll have all the chance to reply.
Everybody going to be quiet.
Go ahead.
You're done, Jess.
Yeah, I'm done.
I just don't.
I don't understand why that was accepted.
Like that, that was.
Wait, wait, wait.
One second.
Okay.
We shouldn't accept what she said to say that you should know.
You know, thank you guys.
Hello from Pompo Beach, Florida.
They chase game gang bangers.
Wasism.
Wah.
Thank you.
As a black woman, because you all date criminals, when you saw one second, so my this is my opinion, Jazz and correct me if I'm wrong.
She punched you in the face, you have the right to punch her back, right?
Is that fair?
If you felt that she punched you in the face, I have an opinion about this that I'm going to say later, right?
But we are letting you defend yourself.
We are not, you're going to have two chances to land your plane, and Pearl is going to have the chance to actually rebuttal what you said.
Do you think that's fair?
Do you like what do you want to do?
Can we go on?
Just want to make sure so everybody knows where we're at.
We can move on.
I think we can go ahead, Pearl, and then we go back to the panel.
Okay, so you can tone police the simps and women that respond to shame, but you're not going to tone police me.
So, anyways, going back to the stats, the reason that I said that was two reasons.
Um, the first is that I interviewed a thousand people, um, a good chunk of them were black women, and I just noticed that they had a propensity more likely than other races to date criminals.
It's not really an insult.
As I could go into details about the types of men white women tend to date that are irresponsible.
I've just noticed different trends in different communities, and it's kind of backed up by data because 60% of black men have been arrested by the age of 25.
So, you know, it's not to be rude, but I think it's more common in that community than it is other communities.
Um, in terms of mass shooters, I think you said white people are the majority of mass shooters.
Um, I would say that's that's true, and I wouldn't crash out on you for saying that.
So, again, if you want to get offended, that is a choice, and that is your choice.
And you have and that's you know, I don't know why, but black people have a tendency to think that crashing out isn't a choice and that you can't like getting and women tend to think this way too.
Like, especially black women, they have a tendency to think that crashing out is something if I say something offensive or that you find offensive, that you must crash out.
White people, um, we just walk away, and I'm gonna go into that later because I'll show you the difference next time ask her if that hair is real.
Um, also, to the panelists watching, if you guys on the chain could just put in that, I know a few of you watch it's probably gonna be 15 minutes late for when I bring you guys up.
Tay Box, I love you, Pearl.
Here's my life savings.
Thank you.
$5 and 73.
You must be black.
That's your life savings.
Sorry.
I'm sorry.
Okay.
Right to do that.
So, so I want to touch on this and then I want CJ and Rick the ruler to pull up and the rest of the panel.
Okay, Tyranny, I see you too.
So, coming from a world citizen, right?
Because I live in Portugal right now, it's 2 a.m.
And Pearl was in the UK for a while too.
This is not a black woman thing.
If you go to Japan, all those women love the Yakuza until they get older.
If you go to Brazil, all those women love the kid from the favela before they get older.
If you come to Europe, all these women love the guys that ride on most angels.
Like, women like danger.
Like, they are emotional junkies, right?
And I believe that Jess actually pinpoints what it is: is when you put together people that are emotional junkies, which is most young women, and you put poverty together, you are going to get massive results.
And in my opinion, this is why the black community in the United States is hyperexposed to these situations, is because you are mixing two components that are very dangerous: the level of poverty, people live on a lower socioeconomic level, and they are addicted to Bad boys, because that's what women do.
You can go to any white college and see exactly the same type of behavior.
The chads are getting all the women.
That's the reality.
The bad boy, the football star.
Like, we know this is something that you know what?
Like, this is why he's the worst panelist because at least Jazz was entertaining.
Like, she can be the crazy woman.
Like, she's being cast as a crazy woman.
You do need those casts.
But Fatty is just like boring.
Like, it's just not.
I mean, I mean, if it was me, who would I keep on?
He's actually not the worst moderator when he's not simping.
I'd keep on Ilcan.
I would, I don't mind Big De Ruler, but you got to moderate him.
He's kind of entertaining.
But Fatty, he would just have to go.
I would even keep these two crazy ladies because then you can let the crazy ladies beef.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, you know, it's just, I think, Fatty really, and that guy's got to get rained.
And you know what?
I actually, if I had to redo this panel, I would have just had the women in Ilcon.
That would have probably been the best.
Anyways, I'll keep going.
I'll keep going.
It is a woman thing.
It's just more exacerbated depending on the communities, the culture, and all that.
So I actually believe that both of y'all are right on their own way.
We can't unfortunately just be against something because it triggers our feelings.
Okay, friends.
Oh, my God.
One sec, one second, please.
One second.
I didn't finish.
You know what's funny, tyranny?
You need to go tyranny.
Hey, tyranny.
Tyranny.
I have a black panther in my arm.
One second, please.
The pro black shit is not going to be just not articulate, doesn't moderate.
Like, there's just nothing this guy adds to the panel.
Like, I just couldn't, I can't even put into words how much nothing he adds.
Like, not good looking.
Like, at least Ilkhan, I would say he's like a decent looking, like, CJ, decent-looking guy.
But it's like, so you, and if you bring in a fat guy, you expect him to be funny.
He's not bringing that.
Like, this is just he derails, doesn't moderate well, crashes out.
I'm like, this is not good.
The only thing good about Fatty is his graphics and sound effects.
Yeah, that's yeah, that's true.
Um, yeah, it's just yeah, right.
The pro, the pro black shit doesn't because nobody tyranny, stop, stop.
Black tyranny.
You can't tell me myself that I depict black woman in any kind of way that is negative because I avoid it.
But what we have to do is be fair.
If she was talking about black men, it's not wrong.
Most black women like are more attracted to, they have a higher propensity to be attracted to those men.
I don't know why y'all got offended and expect black towers.
That's why that's where this racist shit comes from.
Like I told y'all before, it's the black women.
I want us to get it.
Can I finish?
Can I finish?
Can you come later?
Just let them land.
No, I'm chilling.
I'm eating gummy bears in the corner.
So again, they keep saying, but Pearl, you were the one that was offended.
I'm like, do I look offended?
I mean, that girl kind of crashed out on me.
Look at, like, look at me in this corner.
I mean, my gummy bears.
No, it's fine.
It's fine.
We control.
Hey, Tyranny, unmute yourself if I meet you.
Go ahead, CJ.
So, yeah, I think they want to get us into a war that we can't win so they can go and be with the white man.
And that's a different topic, but sorry.
Like, look at how chill.
I can't even put into words the level of chill I am.
Tyranny, you have a gentle reply, and then I'll get the best of the people that haven't talked, especially Big Reek, right?
What did CJ said that was wrong?
It's a battle of ideas.
One second, Tyranny.
Remember, this is the battle of ideas.
You have an interrupted time to prove CJ that what he said is wrong.
No name calling for now.
Later, we can do it.
Let's prove CJ wrong.
Why is he wrong that most black women are attracted to this type of man?
Pearl, no, we're not attracted to them.
Their men want us.
That's why they really hate us because they can't.
That was not the question.
That was not the question.
No, no, Tyranny.
You have to be.
One second.
I talk again.
Tyranny, one second.
One second, Tyranny.
Half of black women have heard these.
One second.
Now, one second, one second.
One second.
Yeah.
So again, you know, I just had to get rid of this delusion.
You know, I mean, he's saying, he's like, she's, she's, and, you know, I just got to be, I'm trying to be honest here.
If black women think you're stealing our guys, you know, I just have to go to the stats that I can also back up with my real-lived experience.
So it's not just stats.
Black women are 7% of the population, 40% of abortions.
Most white guys kind of lean pro-life.
We're not really with that.
You know what I mean?
Like, if I talk to 10 white guys, some of them might give in and say, fine, women can have abortions, but they're not really like with that.
75% of black women are baby mamas.
The obesity rate for black women is like, I think the average black woman weighs 180 pounds.
White men prefer skinny.
I mean, I at times think I'm too big for white guys because white guys just really like the petite.
So, you know, we are losing to different races.
We really are.
It's just not really the black women, except maybe like the Christian Candace Owens like type black woman.
Like sometimes she, I would say, could she swoops.
She'll like swoop into the church or the conservative party and there's a guy that's got that thing for them and then boom, they fall in love.
Thank you for the $2 super chat.
But I just, you know, Tyranny is the first non-obese black woman on YouTube who is a one.
You know, I just needed to clarify that.
Yeah.
I just needed to clarify that.
Pearl, Pearl, Pearl.
Hey, hey, for real.
Everybody, everybody.
One second, one second, one second, one second.
Every single group of people has bad habits.
No, I can say that I would say black women have way worse habits than white women.
I would actually say it's not even close.
It's not even like a little bit close.
We do have bad things that we do and we could talk about it, but I just, it's significantly worse in terms of habits for black women.
Like white women vape.
Like I would say that's pretty common.
But a man would take a vaping habit over an obese woman.
I'm just being honest.
I'm just being honest.
Now, one second.
Stop.
Stop talking.
Stop talking.
Pearl.
Let me ask you something, Pearl.
Are you trying to get the reaction of us?
One second, Pearl.
I'm asking you a serious question.
Do I look offended?
I just want to, everyone, they said I'm offended.
Do I look offended?
Right?
Because we had you on the panel once and Andrew Wilson was with us, right?
And Andrew Wilson, all of a sudden, starting to do foo-boo remarks and talking about black brands and all that.
And I ask him, hey, brother, I see your content all the time.
You usually don't talk like these, so my question is: and be honest about it: is there any of your statements you're doing today, uh, statements that are made to trigger the crowd that you have right now?
I actually came here prepared because I thought the topic was black fatigue, so I came prepared with stats, facts, data, and statistics.
I can't, but the topic is not black fatigue, right?
A mute button would do wonders for every black panel podcast and forum.
Yeah, that's what we spoke about.
But is the topic black fatigue?
That's what you told me the topic was.
No, no, no.
I'm asking you.
Now they're about to gaslight.
Okay, so I need to now they're gonna start white knighting.
I'm trying to paraphrase just because, um, here.
Then he starts crashing out.
He starts put the table to you, and you can do whatever you want.
But if we are going to try to either get clippable moments or something like that, we know more about you than you know about us.
So if you want to go there, we can go there.
I take my gloves off and we can do whatever we want.
And if nobody can be offended because of black this and black that, you are going to talk about the time where you were a black, homeless man, a fat motherfucker that you were having out, right?
Okay, so now he starts crashing out on me, right?
And I want to show you, um, because black people have a tendency to think that white people have to argue with you.
But you know, white people are similar to men.
When women start bitching and arguing with you, you just walk away and you don't do it because you're offended.
You don't do it because you're even angry.
You do it because you're just not very pleasant to talk to.
And if I'm having an unpleasant experience, I'm not going to sit here and shame you and guilt you.
I'm just going to go home.
I'm just going to leave.
And that's what I did.
Fatty, you're fat too.
It's like you are mad at me because I have more TDs than you.
That's why you're mad, right?
We could go back.
That's why you're mad, right?
Because I have more TDs than you.
Again, here's the thing.
You know, white people, we're just not really built like that.
We're not really going to, we're not, we don't really want to go back and forth and personally insult you.
We were adults so that we could talk about it.
You know, I'm still smiling.
I'm really not offended.
But, you know, some things you just don't want to opt.
You're like, all right, this isn't a productive conversation, is it?
We are definitely adults.
Let me ask you something.
What do you think about black fatigue?
All right.
So I do appreciate you guys having me on.
I really do.
Can you say what you think about black fatigue before you go?
I really did want to do this, but apparently we can't do the facts, data, and statistics.
Thank you guys so much for having me on.
If you want to do my channel, it's just if we came on your show and started talking about white men and white women, you had a problem.
That's so disingenuous.
Yeah.
So then they start to gaslight and act like women.
So I'm going to keep going further on this little thing.
He then calls into my show.
Because again, white people, and I just want you guys to understand, when you guys crash out on us, we just walk away and then do our own thing.
And we just do our own panel.
So if you're just not pleasant, we just walk away.
Fatty, you got to get out of this chat.
I really am only letting entertaining people be here.
So I'm going to ban you because I just, I need the bar to be a little bit higher.
I just need you to be better.
You know what I mean?
I just need better from you.
Black men.
I won't say black women.
I know black women try to tell you apart.
I cannot deny that at all because of information you do share, but white women try to tell you apart.
Women in general try to tell you apart.
And so then he comes and starts nagging me and like, I just don't know if you guys understand how unpleasant this is.
And black people, I know they can be pleasant.
Like when I do street interviews, they give me the funnest answers.
Uh no, it's a woman thing too.
It's not just black people, I don't know.
The behavior patterns are really similar.
Great show pearl, so like.
And you got to think of the audacity of this because white people, we understand our place in like a hierarchy.
I mean imagine having um a fat like 5 000 Youtube subscribers and lecturing a woman with a billion views.
I had a billion before I cleared my channel, I had a billion views.
You're going to tell me how to do my job.
You know, it's like the audacity.
You know what I mean?
Like, do you know who I am?
You've been somebody a lot of people have been supporting before you even came on a panel.
When you came on Anton Daniels' panel, maybe two, three years ago, black women were saying, oh, pearly racist, pearly racist.
Men came out to your defense big time.
I wanted a man that came out to your defense.
I say, hey.
It's going to nag like a woman.
I get the topic.
And it comes back to our message.
It's, yes, you did.
Did I tell you we're not?
No, he's going to gaslight me.
He's going to say, oh, it wasn't the topic.
Be in your face and say this.
But he's going to accuse me of, and it's like, they always go in with such bad faith.
Like white people, our default is good faith and it gets taken advantage of all the time.
Our default is, oh, the topic, but if that, if he was a white guy, the white guy would have said, oh, maybe I did tell you the topic was black fatigue.
I'm sorry.
That's how it would have ended.
Did say that.
I could give you, when we're talking about black crime, I could give you real life examples.
I could give you examples in the media and I could give you facts, data, and statistics.
If you don't have all three, I understand having.
Yeah.
So the echo chamber, which Pearl asked me.
I'm trying to have a conversation.
I'm going to have panelists show up soon.
W. Pearl, I'm wish you could do a fresh and fish shout out.
Myron.
Oh, my God.
Those girls are too ghetto for me.
Echo chamber.
We hate echo chambers too.
Why would you kick off the person who's going against what you're saying?
So we have an actual conversation.
You can't have a conversation when someone's monologuing for 10 minutes.
You can't.
You can't do it.
Yeah.
And so, no, I didn't even think this guy was disrespectful, but I'm like, we're never going to get to the point.
He doesn't land planes.
And now he's going to, and this is the thing.
It's like always bad faith.
Always, always, always bad faith.
Like a white guy, again, would say, oh, oh, that's why you kicked him.
It wasn't because you were offended.
Oh, I'm sorry.
That's how we would do it.
A white person would say, I don't mean to overtalk you.
Oh, I'm sorry.
A white man, definitely not a white woman.
Sorry, I should, I should clarify.
A white man would do that.
A white woman.
Oh, my God.
I had to mute a white woman last week.
So let's not, let's not pretend I'm not, I'm going to do a show on white women this week, too.
So I got smoke for everybody.
But it's the lack of good faith.
It's just incredible.
Like in a good debate, you got to go back and forth, back and forth.
Like, and I just have a good knack for this.
I did six shows with 10 people on it six days a week for a year and two years at four days a week.
There's nobody that's done more panels than me.
Except Myron.
I should have said, okay, let me let me skip over this.
We have buttons for that, but he, that was his first time.
Okay, now excuses.
That's what we get to.
Excuses for the bad behavior.
There's never an apology for the bad behavior.
And the reason I'm trying to point this out is because really, I think black people, if you guys learned to apologize, we could just have a better relationship.
It would just be better.
When I talked to you, On the phone with him because of what you asked as well, too.
I do that to have other talking me.
Okay, it's it's you just it's like uh it's a thing.
Go ahead, you could finish though.
No, no, just let me say something real fast.
And then the black guy says he's gonna go, yeah.
The problem is, women like jazz they want white people to sit there and be quiet because almost every single panel that Pearl has been on, she's been expected to well, those days are over.
Black fatigue is real.
If you bring up an established person who's done the work on YouTube, yeah, okay, no offense, Doug.
I'm gonna skip.
I just want to get to the end.
Okay, I want to get to the end.
Have herpes, they have really high gonorrhea stats, really high HIV stats.
White men, this is a concern for white guys.
And this is a reason she said, so that's equivalent.
That's warranted.
If a black woman says that white men like black women, that that's matched with black women.
50% of black women have herpes.
That's justified.
Yeah.
And so, again, women get really emotional about the way the information is said, where men, they care about the information.
So this is a very female-like way to do this.
All right.
Now, let me speak.
If I said white women like black men and I say, oh, all white people are racist.
Like, is that equivalent?
Does that match?
No, because the fact the facts, data, and statistics, and also real life experience don't match up with that.
White people actually give black people opportunities all the time.
So there's no Pearl, what does that have to do?
When she said that white women want a, oh my god, it's like I was wrong.
You will find a way to bring race into it just just because I do.
I do respect.
This is me getting tired.
This is me like this.
Is you ever have a woman argue with you and you're like trying to say something, and then the woman's like argue argue argue argue, and you're just like you know what.
You're right, you win, could you I?
I sorry, I do understand your opinion.
I just don't respect that.
You know how to do this better than me.
I'm just being honest here.
I don't.
What do you mean by that?
I just don't think you're qualified to give me advice on how to do this.
Tell me how.
Why?
Because you got more viewers than me?
Because of your results.
What's the results?
I just thought i'm like been on this for two, three years.
I haven't even went consistent every single day.
So how can you why?
Why would you do this better than me?
You have how many people again, if this was a white person?
Oh, i'm sorry, i'm telling you this is how it would go if it was a white person.
They would say, oh, you're right, i'm probably talking out of my ass.
I'm sorry, you're right, I probably am not qualified to give you advice.
Okay okay, how many people you have watching right now live?
Okay, so again, we could go back and forth as a view off or whatever.
You said, you brought that in.
I'm just I.
Well, you can, you can do as you wish.
Um, you did that pearl, not me.
I'll try to gaslight.
Okay, we're gonna.
This is a crash.
Who asked who to be on this panel?
I'm just gonna, okay.
Okay, we're gonna, i'm gonna mute you.
I'm gonna mute you.
The crash out.
Yeah, I love, I love.
This is why I love it here.
So I would say, crashing out, I wouldn't, i'm just gonna, i'm just gonna put this here.
I'm just gonna put this here.
Um, I think this is really demonstrating why um, white people at times do not give opportunities to black people, because you guys just make it a lot more difficult to work with you.
Do you see his face?
It's like i'm being honest.
I'm like look, you have made this a very negative interaction.
You had your co-host crash out on me.
You guys started lecturing me.
You came here.
You started monologuing and lecturing me.
This was not a pleasant, I did not have fun.
This was not pleasant for me.
And a lot of white people aren't going to tell you guys this because we just, you know, like men, we just walk away.
And I'm out here saying, hey, black people, I'm being honest.
I'm being honest about the way this goes.
And that's me being really honest.
That's me.
And I would say this is just increasing the difficulty.
And then I would just say, you know what?
We just won't do it again.
It's fine.
It's totally fine.
Yeah.
You know, you can't be Americans.
Well, you can keep doing it when a white.
Okay.
So American.
Now, again, again, and we just don't get it.
We're like, okay, you clearly don't like me based on the way you're interacting.
Let's just never talk.
Let's just never talk again and we can move on.
And then they keep, they keep going.
It's like, yeah, I know.
So then I just want to give an update.
I did this stream.
So this week, white people were very forgiving.
So we do accept apologies fairly easily.
Like we accept apologies like the easiest.
You know, all you really got to do to a white person is nicely say, I'm sorry.
This is what I'm going to do.
Half the time, you don't even have to make it up to us.
That's how forgiving we are.
We are like the queen and kings of like, okay, let's let it go.
I mean, maybe not the women.
I could do a white woman stream a different day.
So, anyways, this whole week, this whole week, he's been asking me to do a panel today.
And he's been saying, let me paraphrase some of this.
We got to do this.
Basically, I'm going to paraphrase.
He tells me he wants to do the show Sunday if we're both not in our feelings.
Although, as I just demonstrated, I was clearly not offended.
Then he says, You can do clips, you can super chat.
And especially if you're not offended, you should be able to do my stream.
So he's like subtly trying to insult me there.
And I keep saying, you know, that's not an apology.
That is not an apology.
And I'm really trying to be honest with black people here.
You know, you win a lot more people with sugar, like being nice than being mean, especially white people.
Black people, you could be nice to and they'll be mean back, but white people, if you're nice to us, we're nice back, generally speaking.
I apologize, then he says he apologizes, but he didn't do anything to disrespect me.
So he apologizes and then gaslights me in the middle of it.
Then he gives me a million excuse, and I just keep saying back, hey, Pearl, I apologize, and I was wrong.
Try it.
And, you know, it kind of came down to: I said, either apologize or apologize or stop bothering me.
Leave me alone.
Please, leave me alone.
So today, I really did do this panel for one reason to be petty.
I'm going to be honest.
Yep.
This is a petty panel.
Yeah, I'm just going to be honest here.
And because I really just don't like this insinuation that I um I somehow need this channel.
Oh no, I'm admitting it.
I'm not petty often, but occasionally I will be petty.
That's that's very true.
I can and will be petty.
So I decided to actually redo this panel on my channel with Doug MPA as a moderator.
And that way we could actually have a nice conversation, hopefully, today.
Because black men crash out like this because at the end of the day, they have to go back to Keisha if he doesn't berate you on her behalf.
No cheeks for him.
I don't know why they do this, but I'll just say, and it's not all of them, right?
Doug MPA is obviously here.
I know Doug.
Just pearly thinks, thank you.
It's not all of them.
And I've always said it's not, it's very obviously not all of them.
But this is way more prevalent in black culture than white culture.
It's absolutely more.
It's like not even close.
It's not even, it's not even a little bit close.
It's, it's just not.
And I've lived in white areas.
I've lived in black areas.
I've lived in both.
And it's the same thing.
Like if I was going to compare men and women, you know, do women and men who apologizes more, men or women?
We all know the answer.
Come on.
Come on.
Oh, Donovan, if you want to come up, you can come up too.
Oh, yeah.
Let Donovan out.
Donovan, if you if you want to come up, put it in the chat.
And so, again, don't do it.
It's a trap.
Once they show you their victims, they'll always set you up and blame you for everything.
I'm black.
And I'm not saying that last part, but no, no, it's not.
Look, it's not all.
And I've always said it's not all.
But, you know, we got to talk about generalization.
We got to stop being offended by generalizations.
And I've talked about white woman shit too.
I really have.
And there's some white women shit that annoys me.
Like the Christian white woman is like the worst type of white woman because they beat your head.
They beat you over the head with a Bible.
Oh my God.
Oh, my God.
Those are the women that terrorize their husbands.
Oh, they're the worst ones.
Okay, Pearly, who's black women are too fat because 75% of them are fat.
Not all, but like, so they can't really get in the door because they're too big.
But white women get in the door and they kind of ruin the guy's act.
Look, everyone's got their problems, but if we're offended by generalizations, I don't know how we have a conversation.
And men understand this, but you know, who doesn't understand this?
Women and men that think like women.
What is the point that black people are given opportunities?
Maybe there's a reason it has to be done and laws have to be created for it.
What is the point to make that black people are given?
I don't really understand this question.
Maybe I'm dumb.
I don't know.
A lot of black people, men act emotional like women because they were raised by single mothers and almost no strong male figures in their lives.
I don't know.
I just know they get offended easier.
That's all I could tell you.
All right, Doug MPA, I'm going to give it to you now because he is the moderator.
And I said he would moderate and I would act as a panelist.
So welcome to the show, Doug MPA.
And today I'm actually going to host the panel that was not had last week.
And by the way, this could have been had this week on Ilkan's channel.
I was completely open to doing it.
I in no way felt like recruiting.
I in no way wanted, I really, I did not want to do this on my channel.
But again, he was just so difficult to work with gun to my head.
I was like, I guess I'm doing it on my own channel.
So Doug MPA.
Uh-oh.
I think she fell out of the stream.
Uh-oh, hope she comes back.
Guys, make sure to like the video, subscribe if you haven't already.
This is going to be a great show and a great panel.
I accidentally kicked myself up.
Yeah, so what was I saying?
I forgot I was talking about.
You're talking about having a panel on your channel instead of.
Oh, well, mind you, I know.
I also want to give a shout out to Athena.
She's the first woman I've ever met that's added value.
She came up and I asked her to go on this panel and she even brought guests for me.
Do you know how annoying it is to bring guests?
Like, that's something YouTubers, we're all too lazy to do.
I've never had a woman bring value ever in my life.
Although, Pearl.
Are you Latina or are you white?
I'm half Greek, half Colombian.
Okay.
I knew she was a Latina because Latina women come in and they're like, how can I help you?
Literally.
That's why white women lose men to Latinas.
White women are busy working.
We're like, let's go work into human resources and tone police.
And the Latinas are like, can I cook for you?
That's actually pretty accurate.
Yeah, she knows.
Okay.
All right, Doug MP.
I'm sorry.
I'm going to, I'm going to give it to you.
I'm going to drop for one second and you can bring up the panelists and then I'm going to come back.
I'm going to give Donovan the link.
Is that cool?
Cool.
Okay.
So, guys, we're going to bring an all-star cast up.
Athena, good to see you.
I saw you in the chat.
The only thing I would say is, guys, liberal women, liberal white women will always be worse than the conservative white women because liberal women will complain about the patriarchy while they're benefiting from the patriarchy.
They'll complain about white men, the evil white men, while they're married to one and the white man's paying her bills, but she calls him oppressor at the same time.
So to me, liberal white women are the worst, even worse than drag cons.
So, guys, we're going to have a panel up.
I'm going to be asking all the questions.
We have some really good questions.
I think if you saw the panel that Pearl just showed, you know where we're going to go with these questions.
And, you know, I've been black in this country for over 40 years.
I've had black fatigue my entire life.
I see people talking about the rise of black nerds in the chat.
That was me growing up.
So I've had black fatigue my entire life.
I'm really glad that Trump got into office and really put pressure on these media companies so voices aren't being censored.
So people can talk about black fatigue because I'm sick and tired of it, man.
I'm tired of it.
So make sure to like the video, subscribe if you haven't already.
Go to the audacitynetwork.com and sign up there.
The best way to support Pearl and the channel.
So we need to get more people over there just in case YouTube tries to mess around with Pearl's income.
So go over there and sign up.
It is $9.99 a month.
And we love to have you over there.
I'm going to read a super chat real quick.
It's okay.
Just breeze past the fact that you said it in the video twice.
You replayed.
No one says white people give white people opportunities.
It's implied.
I just don't care.
I just look.
There's people that go into things in bad faith and good faith.
And if you're offended, I just don't care.
I really don't.
But I appreciate you paying me to say that.
So thank you.
Anyways, go ahead, Doug.
I don't mind.
You know, I don't mind.
So are there any other?
Oh, Doug, are you not able to add people?
I am not.
Hold on because I need to make you.
Can I, how do I make you a moderator again?
Let me see.
Hold on.
I thought you were gonna add it.
Yeah, I don't, I think that you're gonna have to do it.
But you can do it.
Yeah, I can.
Okay.
What up, people?
Hey.
We got Smoothie Queen.
I like your name.
We got William James.
Welcome to the show.
Dr. William James.
Oh, Dr. William James.
Welcome to the show.
And we got Homath.
Welcome to the show, everybody.
If you want to give a quick intro, feel free.
Doug MP, I'm going to let you go.
So I am Doug MPA.
I've been supporting Pearl since she had 15,000 subs.
I told her she was going to be big time when she was small and she's met and exceeded all expectations.
I'm a Pearl supporter no matter what.
I was there.
The black people that worked for her made Pearl into this and I support her 100%.
I'm in my mid-40s.
I've had black fatigue my entire life.
So I love this subject and I'm ready to talk about it.
Let's go.
Athena, go ahead.
Do you want to do each of the panelists?
Do you want to start with Athena and then go to Homath and everyone give like Athena?
Go ahead.
So I'm going to start saying a little about myself.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
I'm Athena.
I'm from Texas, born and raised.
I have a little homestead farm.
I like to go on panels and have a good time, have these types of conversations.
Shout out to all my friends on TikTok and Instagram.
Yeah, that's about it.
Okay.
Homath, go ahead.
The legend.
Legendary.
I am legendary.
I am Homath.
I became famous very quickly for complaining intelligently about women on TikTok.
And now my skills are going to be used to talk about other forms of political strife.
Cool.
Dr. William James, go for it.
Dr. William James, author, educator, real estate investor.
I guess you can say I became famous with my appearance on Jesse Lee Peterson's podcast, the author of the book, Black Supremacy.
And yeah, Dr. Will James on Instagram, Dr. Will James podcast on YouTube.
And Smoothie Queen.
You know, Jesse, he's funny, isn't he?
Oh, he's great.
He is.
Well, hi, Smoothie Queen here.
I debate sometimes on TikTok with my friend Shadwife.
Shadwife was invited up here, but she redirected me.
She redirected Athena to me.
And I largely debate like racism, systemic racism and feminism and those types of things.
But yeah, that's it.
So first off, Smoothie Queen, I have to say that you have beautiful hair.
Thank you.
So do you.
Okay.
So if I have to interrupt you, it's probably because you're going on too long.
I want people to make cogent points.
So let's try to keep it civil.
Okay.
So I'm going to be asking the questions.
We're going to get right into it here.
Let me get the questions.
I'm sorry.
One second.
One second, you guys.
Okay.
The biggest deflection tactic on talking about these subjects, I'm going to ask the first question.
Why can't we talk about black people without bringing up white people?
What about isms?
Why is that always the case?
Why can't we just have a conversation about the issues with black people without bringing up white people?
Is there an order for like the smoothie?
Go ahead.
You start talking if you want to go for it.
Um, well, I don't think that's the case, honestly.
Um, I think that largely when we talk about like black people experiencing stuff, maybe I should have expanded more on my background.
So, um, I do a lot of just like community organizing in general.
Um, I attend a college, right?
We'll figure out if anyone can figure out what school it is.
But um, I largely engage in these conversations and try to address like disparities that exist amongst um black people in America and um people of other marginalized groups.
But when we talk about like the experiences of black people, what's going on, crime rates in education, those types of things.
Um, the discussion largely isn't even like touching systemic racism.
Um, largely, we're talking about like how individual choices impact or like how people make individual choices and like what that means for okay, things.
Let me reframe the question.
We have a different perspective, but that's not because you're not answering the question.
Let me let me reframe it.
Why is it that when there's criticism towards the black community, they have to bring up white people in defense against the criticism?
That's my question.
So, your question, like leading might be the word, maybe presumptuous, but oh, yeah, I'll lead all day.
I'll lead all day.
Go ahead.
Sorry, what'd you say?
I said, I said, I'll lead all day.
Oh, no, no, no, but that's the point.
Like, you're saying I'm not answering your question.
Your question assumes that this is a reality.
When it does, it does assume it.
So, yeah, like you're not saying anything that you're saying, I'm not answering the question, but you're like, Do you see where the disconnect is?
No, answer the question.
Don't okay.
So, you say that whenever discussions like toward around black people like doing stuff that we talk about white people, that is not my reality, right?
As much as I've engaged with like the community organizing space amongst like black people in general, um, that's not my reality.
So, what's the first thing with that?
What's the first response when you say black people commit commit more crime?
What do they say back?
Like, white boys are shooting up schools per capita.
That's typically no, I meant like if you say like 60% of the schools.
No, that's the response.
Like, no, no, I'm saying, usually, usually, when you say that, black people respond with, but white people shoot up schools.
Oh, but I'm a because I don't do how did you hear me do that?
Actually, I'm not talking about you, it's it's okay, I and me.
Yeah, how about this?
Actually, could I ask a question?
No, you can't, no, you can't.
Oh, I can't, okay, no, not yet.
Okay, this isn't an I-me conversation.
Yeah, I want to ask you about you because that's going to derail the conversation.
We're talking about general concepts in society, yeah.
So, what I'm gonna have an opinion on it, we can move to the next person.
Oh, I do, but once again, like aside from whose reality is what, where are you getting your generalization or like your like correctness from?
Like, how are you understanding or establishing that this is like reality?
Eyes, like my eyes, yeah, like that reality.
Like, why should I believe your eyes?
Why wouldn't I believe my eyes?
You know what?
How about this?
Smoothie, we're gonna answer this question.
Just move on, man.
We're already going meta on it.
Oh, Matt, go ahead.
Yeah, we're already, we're already getting meta on the conversation.
It's like we're getting into a point where it's almost like discussing semantics already, and we're one minute.
And this is something that a lot of people it's an experience that a lot of people share.
That if you want to talk about one group of people, whether it's a religion or a race or whatever, they usually like that.
It's just a very common experience.
It's my experience almost every time I talk about race.
It's like, well, white people do this.
It's what I get on Twitter.
It's what I get everywhere.
Everybody I have ever talked to about it has the same experience.
You know, we might not have data on it.
We might not have like a Cornell University study on how often somebody brings up comparisons, but we've all experienced it.
We all share that experience and we all are, you know, in general agreement with it.
So questioning whether or not it happens is like, for me, a non-starter.
Yeah, it's just like it is the daily experience.
And to address the question directly, I would say that you're almost getting into like a metaphysical question there.
Why do we, why do you talk about, if you start talking about one group, why does do people bring up another?
Well, if there was only one group of people, you couldn't talk about them.
You know, if we only have one planet, so we can't talk about the other planet, like comparing Earth to live on a different planet is only one.
So if we're splitting people into more than one group and talking about the characteristics of one, immediately people want to compare them to the characteristics of the other.
And in America, at least, the tension between black people and white people, our differences and our conflicts and everything, is the primary, it's been the largest racial or ethnic tension in America for as long as I can remember and probably as long as the countries existed.
It's like a flagship, you know, it's like the main group conflict in America, if you ask me.
Okay.
Dr. William James, go for it.
Okay.
So while this may not be the response the majority of the time, I'm aware that some people do respond this way.
The reason I think that some black people may respond with bringing up white people when you say something like, oh, what about black on black crime or black people commit the highest percentage of crime?
They may respond with bringing up white people of other races because they don't want to be singled out.
So they want to point out the fact that other groups do similar activities or they do other things that are harmful to communities or America in general.
So they want to highlight that so that they're not the only group being placed in the negative.
Okay.
Athena?
I don't know the reason why, but I see this a lot of times.
As soon as I discuss things like issues within women, they immediately say, well, men do XYZ.
So I see it happen a lot.
I think a lot of it is maybe like maybe not wanting to be seen in a bad light, maybe some guilt, maybe embarrassment, maybe not wanting to be singled out.
The reason why that I'm not so sure, but I do see it in multiple topics.
So Donovan Sharp, introduce yourself and give a short intro, please, and then answer the question.
If you would bless us, your answer.
Oh my God, Jesus Christ.
Guys, I'm a nobody man.
Oh, stop it.
Knock it off.
Oh, stop it.
One of the OGs.
The man who created womanies.
Oh, stop it.
Oh, stop it.
Look, I'm going to give a pre-existing excuse if I'm not on my game today.
I just got back from the Las Vegas Grand Prix about six hours ago.
Life-changing experience.
I know people don't care about it, but I have a profound respect for Formula One racing drivers.
I can't even describe it.
Anyway, this is simple.
The reason why black people bring up what white people do when we talk about what black people do is because they know they lost the argument.
And Athena was right.
A lot of people bring, especially women, you know, feminists, they bring up the what about the mendo argument.
And just like Smoothie Queen, just she wouldn't answer the question probably because she just doesn't know, you know.
And I wouldn't imagine that Smoothie Queen ever brings up white people do it too in your conversations because you're out in the black community trying to do positive things.
When you're out doing what you're doing, you know, white negativity or whatever the case may be, whatever white people are doing or not doing, in my opinion, doesn't really have anything to do with what you're doing in the black community.
So that's probably the reason why you're a little bit at a loss because you're not doing it.
Um, dr William James um uh, characterized this, uh as, yeah some, you know, some black people bring up the white people do it too argument, and it's probably.
Is it all black people?
Certainly not.
Is it most black people?
Definitely not.
But it's enough of them, you know.
And a lot of people say well, not all women do x, y and z.
No, not all women are hoes, most women are not hoes.
But enough women, enough women are hoes to be getting our attention and so what?
And and this is in any debater conversation, when somebody feels that they're, that their points are sort of being um defeated, they'll go from, just like what Doug said.
They'll go from.
They'll go from micro to macro.
They'll say like okay well I, I don't bring up, you know what white people do.
Well, just because you're not bringing it up doesn't mean that that enough isn't happening.
And i'll end it with this um, I hear all the time on my channel.
Well, white people do it too.
Yeah, white people do it too, and a lot of times white people do it more and white people do it worse.
And my response to that is two wrongs.
Don't make it right.
Just because white people do it too, doesn't that doesn't justify that.
Doesn't justify the fact that black people commit most violent crimes in this country, you know, relative to the population.
I'm going to read a super chat really quick.
Um, you're welcome for the 15.
Continue not understanding why people don't like you because of bad arguments and not being held accountable, especially black people recently.
I don't know, I don't know how I will survive.
Okay next um, when you think black, think modern woman, you criticize women.
They say, what about the men?
You criticize blacks, they say that what about the whites?
The black vote and women's vote is the same.
No, accountability sounds about right to me.
Wait actually, I guess i'm a little bit lost now, because what's his name?
I'm sorry, I think it was mr Sharp.
Um, you granted that like it likely isn't even like the majority of black people.
However, it's enough for it to draw like attention.
And you, someone earlier said that we're not using data or whatever, but like we're using, like our eyes.
I think that was pearl, you said that.
So if I'm saying that when I'm seeing these conversations that white people aren't really brought up and what's I think.
Yeah, it was sharp.
You said that, like, oh, when we're talking about or excuse me, you said that, like, whenever I'm doing the material work or whatever, that likely white people wouldn't be brought up.
It sounds like the consensus is that, like, this is not only like not largely talked about, at least with a majority of black people, but it sounds like an online phenomenon.
So, with the question, why would the question even be like leading?
Yeah, I think this is correct.
I think this is not rooted in any data or science question.
I think you're overcomplicating things and you're mudding the waters because you just don't want to answer the question.
The question was, why do black People bring up the crimes of white people when white people talk about the crimes of black people?
And I think, I mean, I actually wasn't the majority.
So why would we say that that's correct?
Well, okay, that's fine.
We can like, listen, we can play word games if we want to.
Oh, forget word games, but like, why would we?
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
I didn't say all.
I didn't say most, but it's most certainly enough.
Here's the thing: black people don't acknowledge.
Here's the thing, man.
I used to be a nigga.
I used to be a nigga.
I used to get all in my feelings and emotions.
I am a four-time convicted felon of violent crimes.
They were my fault.
I was accountable, et cetera, et cetera.
And until I finally just said, you know what?
I could blame that this person got an attitude with me.
That person.
No, no, no.
The problem was this guy right here.
Okay.
I didn't learn emotional control.
All right.
I grew up with a very weak father, a very domineering mother.
Now, my choices in life are my choices.
I'm not blaming my choices on anybody but myself, but it would be disingenuous of me to at least not acknowledge that my upbringing had a lot to do with the influence, the influence that my upbringing had in my mistakes.
But until I actually sat myself down and said, you know what, you're the one messing this up.
You're drinking too much.
You're doing too much.
You're doing too many drugs.
You're getting emotional.
You need to check yourself.
You need to change yourself.
Because when my homeboy actually told me, he's like, look, man, you're a good guy to be around, but sometimes it's really difficult to be your friend.
I didn't fire back and say, well, most of the time I'm a good friend because most of the time I was a good friend.
But there were times where it was very, very difficult for my closest friends to be around me.
And I think a lot of black people don't have a lot of outward self-awareness.
Anytime somebody talks about, well, what is it?
The statistic, 13% of black people or 13% of the population, they commit 50% of the violent crimes.
It's true because I'm a part of that 50%.
I don't get offended.
I don't start trying to reword questions or purposefully try to avoid the question or talk about subjectivity.
I just tell them straight.
I just, I'm just straight up with it.
And it's interesting when we have these discussions, black people like yourself, you guys like to, you guys like to, you guys do like to play word games.
Anytime someone talks about anecdotal experience, you say, okay, well, what about the statistics?
Then if somebody comes with the statistics, okay, but that's not what I experienced.
Or why don't you talk about your fact of the matter?
And I under, trust me, I understand when you're involved in behavior that people don't approve of.
It sucks.
It's embarrassing.
And it was a lack of character for me.
It was a lack of maturity.
It was a lack of emotional maturity.
But until I actually said, you know what, Donovan, you have a problem and it needs to be addressed.
I would not have gotten to where I am now.
But it appears that most black people, when you actually speak facts about black people, all they do is talk about, well, what about white fatigue?
Did you hear?
Wait, wait, did you stop and say that?
No, no, no, I'm not going to let you do that.
I will later.
Okay.
The bottom line here, the bottom line here is this.
Black people need to be a little bit more self-aware.
And we need to start admitting, yeah, you know what?
The black community is absolutely fucked up right now.
75% of mothers in the black community, they're baby mamas.
That's a problem.
Three out of four black women aren't married and will never be married.
That's a problem.
The average black woman in this country is 187 pounds.
That's a problem.
I was a violent, emotional asshole.
That was the problem.
I don't, I did not, I don't run from my problems, but the black community appears to say, okay, everyone is pointing out what we're doing wrong.
But instead of looking inward and saying, okay, guys, we need to change these things.
Well, what about white people?
Well, what about them?
Well, what about the school shooters?
Okay, school shooters are.
Hold on.
I want to get smoothie.
School shooters are chastised by the white community, but criminals are glorified by the black community.
Because I have a whole bunch of questions.
So smoothie, go ahead.
Yeah.
So, I mean, in this, in whatever you just said, you like verbatim said, most black people engage in this behavior.
While you earlier differentiated the fact that you don't even believe the majority of black people engage in these behaviors.
So, at the very least, you talked about like, oh, people operating within their feelings when they feel defensive in talking about topics like this.
If we're not going to operate off of feelings, we would have to operate off of data.
If you want me to grant, for instance, that this is the reality just to engage with the conversation, I think it's important to make that clear instead of just like saying, Yeah, I do lead in questions.
That's just what's going to have to be the reality.
So, I can grant that.
But you said earlier that this was most people, and then you said before then that it wasn't most black people.
Do you remember saying that?
What I said, and what I said is two more minutes because I have a bunch of more questions.
Oh, we can move on.
This isn't even like I didn't.
Can we hear from Athena?
Yeah, go ahead.
Go ahead.
Athena, go ahead, Ina.
Oh, I'm sorry.
So, I think I was just listening to y'all go back and forth and also messaging people.
But I think that if we look at maybe the reason why a lot of people are experiencing Black people not taking accountability for these types of things, we could look at the statistics on Black men not being in the homes.
And we could dive into the reason for that.
But men are the ones who are teaching accountability.
So, if you don't have a man in your home teaching you accountability, it's hard for you to understand that.
And society has become so weak.
Everyone wants their feelings spared for everything.
Everything's about a safe space.
The other day, I was on a panel and the guy was like, Oh, we should have areas where you have no belief-free zone, I think is what he said, where you can't talk about any of your beliefs.
And I was like, Are we that far gone as a society that we can't even have these discussions, especially in person?
People crash out online, but try to have this conversation in person and see how it goes.
It's not going to end well.
Um, so I think it's, I actually do think it's most black people when you talk about black crime.
I would say the majority do say, What about the white people?
It's just my experience.
Um, and the reason why is I think a lot of black people are racist.
So, yep, against white people.
I think black people are more racist in this white people.
My experience, I agree, I agree too.
Well, that's going to lead to the next question.
Can I respond to that?
Go ahead.
Okay, go ahead.
Because I would certainly say it's not the majority of black people.
And in response to what Donovan had said about he used to be a nigger, I never was a.
I grew up with my mother and my father, and I have degrees and a terminal degree, never was incarcerated, have a license to carry in 35 states because I chose to do things a certain way.
And when someone brings up, you know, black on black crime to me, I don't need to, you know, respond with bringing up white people, Asian people, any other demographic, because I know the facts.
What I would ask someone to do when they bring it up is also bring up who's the most exonerated people.
And then when you do things like that, it sort of gives you, you know, a fair balance.
So I don't need to bring anyone up.
I also will ask people, how is data collected on crimes?
Does anyone on this panel know how to collect the data for crime reports?
Let me ask you something.
Do you not believe the statistics?
Because, and see, here's the thing: I don't just are we're going to be cutting each other off or not.
Donovan, go ahead.
We can grant.
I didn't land my plane.
So I'm going to go ahead.
Go ahead.
Dr. Williams, go ahead.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
So As far as the crimes and I forget where I was at.
So just to go over what he said, believing the statistics.
I'm a researcher.
I do my research.
I don't just believe statistics on face value.
You have to dive into statistics and you have to look for threats to validity.
So I did that.
And that's what I'm saying.
I know how the data is collected.
So I see threats to validity there.
It's not something that you can just take because it doesn't come from it's not just based off of, it's based off really just based off of arrests and it's not based off convictions.
And then you have to look at how the data is collected.
So you have to look, it comes, it comes from the uniform crime report.
And the uniform crime report comes from reports.
And it's not from every police station.
It's those who submit it.
So it could be flawed data.
Yeah, I mean, that's why I always say that I agree with you.
I think there is flaws in data.
But to be honest, my first line of how I believe things is with my eyes.
And I just, you know, if I go outside, I see more black people that are criminals.
Yeah, data is fake often enough that I'm sorry, Darika cut you off.
Go ahead, Homath.
Go on.
Yeah, sorry.
Sorry.
Data is fake often enough that if it conflicts with my understanding of the world, I just go with my understanding of the world, especially if it's something that everyone around me agrees with.
How do you debate and identify truth with that being the case?
It's extremely, extremely difficult.
So how would I debate a pearl in like, for instance, how it's not?
Well, I don't, I don't, I don't debate.
This is a, I just don't debate because people love to point to sources and then you have to question the sources.
And it's like, I don't have time to read this like 350 page document in the middle of the day.
I haven't heard of it before.
Most people don't.
Yeah.
And that's how you do research.
Yeah.
Right.
You can, you can do research if you have that.
Like, I don't have any time to do that personally.
I am very busy with others.
And when you grow up, you won't have time to do it either.
You're on the panel right now.
This is for fun.
Pearl's the only one getting paid for this.
Well, you mean you don't have time.
I wouldn't even argue the question.
You want me to discuss my schedule?
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
So I'm not that much of a researcher and I'm not that much of a debater.
I know how to do these things, but I don't engage in the whole.
What are your sources?
Form of debate, because there's a, there's a.
There's a video I did a short version of a long time ago about a study called.
What was it?
Um, it was called the myth of man the hunter myth of man the hunter.
And the way that this uh, a piece of science uh, starts out is by saying that it is a myth that men did the hunting and women actually did it too.
If you actually read this thing it, it describes that they had to go to like dozens and dozens of hunter-gatherer communities and they asked them to tell stories, and the stories only a small percentage of them included women hunting ever.
So they didn't observe any women hunting.
They only observed stories about women hunting and it was only like hunting squirrels.
So what they presented it as was women are equal hunters to men.
But when you read their own data, it really confirms what we have already believed about it.
It's the best example of the disconnect between how scientific papers are used to, you know, to spread ideas, and what the truth actually is.
So when we get into this whole thing about where we're talking about data, I think that we got into data when you were asking, how do we even know that people bring up white people when you say well, let's talk about the black community, and then people bring up the white one?
If I understood you correctly, your question was, how do we know people even do that?
Was that right?
No, it wasn't.
Are you asking?
I also, well, I also wanted to say, I think you're kind of easily manipulated if anybody can shove data in your face and you're just going to burn it.
Do you believe that that's the case for me?
I'm not sure.
I don't really know you.
Okay, no.
Like, no, no, yeah, I agree.
Hold on, here's the thing.
I just want to point out, we still haven't answered the question.
All the two of you, Dr. James and Smooth, I don't want to get your name wrong, Smoothie Queen.
All the two of you have done, which is fine, is talk about the question.
We're sitting here talking about the conversation and the acquisition of data and this and that and the third.
Let's have the conversation instead of talking about it.
The prison system, like if like, I don't need the statistics to tell me that most people in prison are black.
I don't need statistics to tell me that, you know, black people commit a disproportionate number of violent crimes.
Is it most?
I don't know.
But I think that most of us have, and listen, you can like, we can do the passive aggressive and this and that and the third.
At the end of the day, I'm actually just.
At the end of the day, let's have the conversation.
All we're doing, all we're doing is talking about, okay, well, let's talk about data acquisition.
I don't even remember what, honestly, I don't even remember what the question was.
Excuse me, the majority of people in prison are black.
Do you actually believe that?
Sorry, that was.
Black people committed disproportionately.
The question was, do you believe the majority of people in prison are black?
Yes.
Why?
Well, that's crazy.
I really want to understand why you believe that.
Well, because the data, the statistics all say so.
And have you said that you weren't using that?
You said without data.
Look, look, look, look.
Just just, just, just hear me out here.
Okay.
I've been arrested, and I'm not proud to say this.
Okay.
I've been arrested over 30 times.
Like, I've been there.
Yeah.
I know.
This is, but, but every time I'm locked up and I've been every time I'm just keeping it real.
I'll just, I'll just, honestly, Dr. James and Smoothie Queen, I'll be honest with you.
I'm not as smart as either, either one of you.
Okay.
I'm just a guy who sounds a lot smarter than he is.
I got lucky and I made a good living on YouTube.
Now I can, now I can pretty much do what I want.
I'm one of those, I'm one of the lucky few.
All I'm saying is let's talk about, let's have the conversation instead of talking about it because anytime we dive in and try to manipulate the question to make ourselves look right, at the end of the day, do the two of you in the middle believe that Black people, that there is a problem with Black people committing violent crimes?
Yes or no?
That wasn't the question.
Here we go.
Talking about the question.
Okay.
I'm going to give a new question.
He said I didn't answer the first question and I answered it.
Okay.
I understand.
We've been on this question for far too long.
So I'm going to ask a new question.
I want to start with.
Oh, quickly, can I just point out that Black people make up 33% of the prison population in the United States of America?
I guess I was wrong.
It's happened before.
Wait, why would you say that you're wrong?
Okay, okay, okay.
Hold on.
Are you seriously?
So you're going to say, how do you know you're right?
Please, hold up.
You said no.
Okay, we're going to move on to the next question.
We've been on this far too long.
Okay.
Crazy.
Where did she go?
Jesus Christ, man.
Let's have the conversation.
Let's leave.
Okay.
I want to hear from Pearl first.
Oh, Mac, Dr. James, Athena, Donovan.
Okay.
Why are white people wrong?
Are white people wrong for being fatigued by black people?
Who's first?
Oh, you want me to go first?
No, I don't think you're wrong.
Um, because I really don't think you can argue with the way what we've experienced.
Um, like for me, I never really cared about race at all until black people fatigued me.
It wasn't until I like I really didn't care.
I never paid attention.
Then I had a black person steal equipment from me.
I never had a white person do that.
Then I had a black person make hit pieces on me that was personal friends with me calling me a colonizer.
Never had that happen from a white person.
Um, you know, I actually had two black YouTubers do that.
Um, kingridges, and um, then I had you know, I could just name all that.
There was a guy in school who claimed he was um profiled badly by police, but I knew him personally.
And he, in fact, did illegal things like drinking underage and drugs, and then made a big, made it a big thing that like he was oh no, I was profiled by the police.
Um, and so it's like, what am I supposed to do?
Not notice, yeah, like I just haven't had the same experiences with white people.
Yeah, and I lived in an all-black area when I lived in the black area.
Um, black people would literally, there would be self-checkout, and I would see them like they would have security.
And in London, they don't really have enforcement laws there.
Like, it's pretty bad.
So, um, again, that's why I say it's not really all about data because you could put data in front of me saying that's not a problem, but like, am I not supposed to notice it with my eyes?
Um, it's also racist things black people have said to me.
So, like, I dated a black guy, and um, when I was dating him, black women said like pretty messed up stuff to me.
Um, am I supposed to not like notice that?
You know what I mean?
So, it's like, even when we don't see race, um, like you know, it kind of comes to us and like, what are we supposed to do?
I'd like to say to Dr. James, um, I'm, I'm, you're, I mean, I'm assuming your statistic is correct.
I have no reason to doubt that.
The fact that black people make up 33% of the prison population, despite being only 13% of the population, that's to me, that's not a that's not a defeat of the argument, right?
Okay, so most, so the prison system is not mostly black people, but it's almost the same argument as when people say, Well, there are more white people on EBT and welfare than white people.
Yes, there are statistically per capita, a much higher percentage of black people are on welfare and EBT than white people.
You line up 100 black people and 100 white people, the number of the number of black people on welfare EBT is going to dwarf the number of white people per 100.
So, I just wanted to go ahead and make that statistic.
The short answer to the question that Doug MPA asked is: I mean, listen, white people have every reason to be black, to be black fatigued.
But I think that black men like myself and Dr. James, I think that we have a bigger right to be black fatigued because it's the niggas in the street that make it hard for guys.
And I don't, I mean, I'm not trying to compare myself to Dr. James.
I don't have a doctor and I dropped out in school.
I was a chucklehead, whatever.
But, but when you talk, when you talk about, when you talk about stuff like this, it's the niggas that make men like myself, at least I can only speak for myself, that make men like me look bad.
There's a reason why they lock up the Hennessy and not the Smearnoff.
There's a reason why they lock up.
I'm being straight up.
There is a reason why when you go to the Black CBS, literally everything is locked up.
There is a reason why I live in a gated community.
There is a reason why things are the way they are.
And we can, and again, we can sit here and we can try to talk nuance and try to and try to finagle statistics.
At the end of the day, the eyes don't lie.
The eyes don't lie.
People see this stuff online.
And I think it's, I also find it very interesting that black people like to say, well, this is just something you see on the internet.
We say all the time, art reflects life.
Everybody has a smartphone now.
The internet is reality.
What you are seeing on the internet, obviously, obviously, the AI stuff notwithstanding, that I think is a pretty accurate depiction of the world.
There is no hashtag white fatigue.
As a matter of fact, white fatigue came to a head with the whole George Floyd thing.
We talk about, well, what about white fatigue?
We've been talking about white fatigue for the last 20-some odd years, but we didn't call it that.
But now that people have smartphones and we're seeing the body cam footage from the police videos, now we're starting to understand, oh, okay, I understand why things are the way they are.
Okay.
Oh, Matt.
So the question itself, I think, reveals exactly what's going on here.
You said, are white people wrong to be fatigued?
Why would that ever be wrong?
Why would we even question whether it's wrong how people feel about something?
The question itself is, it's like, it's almost like saying, is it wrong for you to feel cold?
We have this data that says it's not cold in here.
Right.
So you, so you stop shivering.
Oh, okay.
Well, now I'm, you know, right.
It's like that when you're experiencing something, you know it.
And then people tell you, well, this data invalidates your experience.
Go to hell.
We're all experiencing and we're all talking about it.
We know what's going on.
We share the information with each other.
The fact that we can construct a question like that: is it wrong to feel a way about something is kind of insane.
You know, we all know about political correctness.
We all know it's gone off the rails.
It has been extremely difficult.
Like, I have issues based on not being able to say things that I really feel like I want to say.
Oh, Smoothie Queen is back.
Hi.
I have, I have, it's very difficult for me.
I have a personality that's extreme in a few ways.
If I can't tell the truth, and it's not necessarily that I have to be lying, but if someone says something and I have to be quiet about it, it really bothers me.
And this particular issue has bothered me very deeply over the past few years.
Like the George Floyd time was very hard for me because it was just really obvious to me that it was another one of those things where it's being portrayed as if there's this totally innocent victim who's being just viciously murdered just for existing while black.
But the reality is, you know, a lot more complex.
And, you know, the guy got himself into a lot of trouble.
And not being able to even say, you know, this is what I feel about it is like, that's that's insane.
That's it's crazy that we live in conditions like that, that it's not even acceptable to talk about how you feel about an issue based on racial lines.
Okay.
Dr. James?
Okay.
So to address what Mr. Sharp said, you don't have to, you know, have a doctorate to be intelligent.
You can be autodidactic.
And even if you being a criminal, that doesn't, you know, mean much.
Malcolm X was a criminal and we know his history and he was rather intelligent.
When we look at black people being 33% of the prison population, even though they make up 13% of the total population in America, you have to consider systemic racism and you have to consider all of the facts.
So I don't know exactly what we're talking about with the fatigue part of being fed up with something, but I do look at data and I do look at facts and I do analyze it.
And I look at the type of sources, tier one, tier two, what type of source is it?
The credibility surrounding the source.
So one of the reasons that we have to do this because a key argument or key pushback when we look at the criminology and sentencing, we have to look at racial disparities.
We all know about the racial disparities and sentencing that took place in the 80s and 90s, where they were given significant more time, significantly more time to black criminals for crack than they were to white criminals for cocaine.
And we know that it's like one decimal of a chemical that separates the two drugs.
All right, that's systemic.
But furthermore, I'll read this to you.
According to a 2014 article in the Washington Post by Christopher Ingram, Blacks are far more likely to be arrested for selling or possessing drugs than whites, even though whites use drugs at the same rate.
And whites are actually more likely to sell drugs.
Whites were about 45% more likely than blacks to sell drugs in 1980, according to an analysis of National Longitudinal Survey of Youth by economist Robert Farley.
Furthermore, in 1995, Dr. Patrick A. Langan conducted research addressing the racial disparity in United States drug arrests, and he found that whites were more likely than blacks to sell drugs.
Annually, the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Service Administration of the Public Health Service surveys illicit drugs use through face-to-face interviews with members of American households.
According to FBI data from 1991 to 1993, white people made up 50% of the people arrested for selling drugs.
Black people made up 49% and other racial groups made up 1%.
According to 1991 through 1993, the SAMHSA survey data, Blacks were arrested, 16% of Blacks were arrested for selling drugs, and 82% of whites were arrested for selling drugs.
Blacks are 49% of arrests for selling drugs, but only 16% of admitted drug sellers, a disparity of 33 percentage points.
A threat to validity in this data is the fact that it is based on the honesty of those who are arrested.
However, the difference is 66%, and you can't base that off honesty alone.
So it's still systemic racism that has taken place in policing and sentencing and racial disparities, which can account for why those Black people are in prison at such a higher rate.
I have a question.
I have a question.
Real quick, I have two real quick things.
Number one, you're talking about stories and statistics from 30 years ago.
This was 2025, my guy.
This ain't 1993.
Number two, how about don't possess or sell drugs?
How about that?
Okay, I got a epic question.
I have a question.
How does this relate to prior arrests and convictions?
Because I'm not studied on this, but I heard that the reason that there is a disparity in sentencing and convictions is because the blacks who were selling drugs or possessing drugs had more arrests for other things previously.
Dr. James, would you mind if I answered that?
Sure, but I could easily point that out.
While you answered that, I could get the stat to debunk it.
So go ahead.
Oh, no.
My answer is really interesting, actually.
So largely when this discussion is being had about like why these sentencing or like why the prison rate is what it is, people don't know about the history of mandatory minimum sentencing and the fact that it still exists right now.
So you mentioned, Mr. Sharp, that you mentioned that this is like 30 years old or whatever.
We still have mandatory minimum sentencing that exists right now, like four crimes.
How about we don't break the law?
Then we don't have to worry about dealing with it.
We know, but so once again, like you asked.
I could show you this.
If we're discussing the green question, I'm going to show you guys that was the point anyway.
So I mean, that's fine.
I was curious what the rebuttal was to that.
Oh, I have the rebuttal if you're ready.
Yeah, I'm ready.
I can show you.
All right, guys.
You're not muted what you talked about.
Can I read the rebuttal?
It just sounds like the two of you are making.
It sounds like the two of you are making excuses.
Okay.
Okay.
Are you going to moderate better so far?
I want to keep people up on the question as to what I'm saying.
I just want to answer a question.
Hold on, guys.
I just want to answer the.
You said the sentencing disparities.
Yeah, hold on.
I'm going to show you guys a video.
Oh, just to clear.
I said mandatory minimum sentencing.
That's a specific thing.
All right.
Here we go.
What exactly are you wearing?
I'm sorry.
I have a swimsuit on to me.
No, it's not a swimsuit.
And I did not know this was a court day.
I just told the lady back there that I'm not dressed properly for court at all.
Really?
Yes, you are not.
I agree with that 100%.
That's very insulting to me that you would come into my courtroom dressed like that.
I apologize.
I had no idea this was.
It was in as a visit and not a court date.
So I was unaware that this was a court date.
Because she ran on the back of the car a visit.
So it was never said that this was a court date.
All right.
Yeah, you know, sometimes there's just like a lack of basic decorum.
Yeah.
There's a lot of factors involved in these.
If I could say something real fast, like even in this, honestly, even in this conversation, it's like, well, here's it.
It took a bunch of people.
Here's the thing.
There's certain things about black fatigue that you can't quantify.
One of my friends was like, oh, yeah, the biggest problem is that these white people in flyover states that they don't experience the inner city culture and the crime that are in the cities, but black fatigue is more than that.
It's about you'll be in Boise, Idaho at a Whole Foods where there aren't a lot of black people, but the three or four Black people in the Whole Foods are yelling and screaming at everybody loud and taking up everybody's space and deter the peace.
You can't quantify that, but people are tired of it.
It's not just about crime, it's about disturbing the peace, making noise, taking up space.
That is the biggest problem.
And that's what people you can't quantify.
Yeah, and that's the thing is like you can kind of like, you know, slice the data which way, but you're not going to take away what people see with their eyes.
Even in this conversation, it's like Athena's being really polite.
I'm being polite.
The only one with an attitude is Smoothie Queen.
Smoothie Queen definitely has an attitude.
It's a very passionate.
Yeah, it's like very, it's very obvious.
And, you know, and then I just get more fatigued.
And I'm like, you guys proved that point.
I tried to do a panel with black people to be fair, though, I did cut off Dr. James.
I did want him to at least.
See if it was a white girl.
Yeah, but it's not.
Sorry.
Like, that's how it is.
And that's why I got to do it.
I said, you're not the one directing the conversation.
And you have to stop saying I and me on a panel.
You don't want to do that.
Dr. William James, I'm going to give you two minutes to respond if you're reading stats.
Because I won't need more than two minutes, probably not more than a minute.
Go for it.
He brought up, we want to make sure that he brought up priors and stuff.
We want to make sure everything is equal.
So a year-long Herald Tribune investigation used two databases, one compiled by court checks and the other by the Department of Correction to find the racial inequalities and criminal sentencing are rampant throughout Florida.
So this is specifically in Florida.
Blacks spend more time behind bars than whites who score the same number of points on the state sentencing guidelines.
So these are people when you compare apples to apples, oranges to oranges, black people get sentenced more harshly.
You want more specifically for me for you, one judge, Judge Sherwood Bauer Jr., Bauer is spelled B-A-U-E-R Jr. Went viral for his clear racial bias in sentencing black criminals opposed to white criminals.
Judge Sherwood is a white judge who had two men in his courtroom one year apart for the exact same crime.
Charles Leitner was 19 when he robbed three men in the 2008 draw bill.
Lamar Lloyd was 21 when he robbed the peace hut and a gas station the following year.
Both men pleaded no contest, two counts of armed robbery.
They went before the same judge in the same courthouse.
Each had a single misdemeanor on their record.
They tallied the exact same points on the score sheet used to determine criminal punishment in Florida, but their sentences could not have been more different.
Leitner spent less than two years in a county jail.
He is now free to golf and fish with on the weekends.
Lloyd got 26 years in prison.
I want to respond to that.
I want to respond to that.
You know, again, so these are like, it's kind of like the nerds always come in.
And I mean that, like, I don't mean that to be disrespectful, but they come in and they say, believe, believe my facts, data, and statistics.
And then it's still going to be where you're from.
Yeah.
Well, and it still goes back to, I, to some degree, have to believe what I see with my eyes.
I want to share.
It's impossible to believe.
I want to share something.
Hold on.
Let me.
And here's the thing.
I believe what Donovan Holmes wrote on Harvard's name.
Donovan, one second.
I just want to play something.
Let's see.
In Chicago.
Oh, God.
Here we go.
Chicago.
Yeah.
No, no, no, because you could say, oh, black people are arrested.
There's literally a guy in Chicago that's punching women in the face.
I think he finally got arrested, but he literally punched, like, five women.
Now, a serial puncher with a history of unprovoked attacks downtown faces new charges now.
William Livingston is accused of attacking two more women in June.
Courtney Spinelli is near the Cook County Jail where he is being held tonight.
32-year-old William Livingston is no stranger to the Cook County jail.
In fact, he was already behind bars in an alleged attack on Kathleen Miles of Lake Villa when he was arrested again yesterday on new charges.
All I can think of is it takes so much anger to hit somebody with so much force.
This summer, Miles became the latest victim of an attack allegedly at the hands of Livingston, the mother of the men.
He just was walking around and they would have him on TikTok.
Like I knew girls filming him and he's like walking.
They're like, that's I've seen that so many times.
And it's like, it's like, you know, you could say, oh, black people are so oppressed.
But, and this isn't just one example.
The guy who stabbed the girl on the train had also been arrested and they let him out.
Yep.
So you said that the, you know, and even then I go to my personal life and I'm like, well, white, I've had so many white people around my equipment and a black person stole something.
It's like, I do these panels all the time.
You ever go to Atlanta?
I want to propose a question to everyone.
And I'm not saying, because I don't think I've done enough research on this, but you said that black people are essentially they get more time.
So I would have to do a lot of research to figure out why.
But do you think maybe if fathers aren't in the home and they're people who lack accountability that judges can also see that and get really upset that someone has an attitude and they're angry, they're unapologetic and they're lacking any sort of accountability.
Do you think that could possibly be it?
That's part of it.
Not all of it.
I understand there are racist judges, but there's racist people everywhere.
I'm just asking, I'm giving a little bit of pushback to see your thoughts on that.
Judges are people too.
Emotional just like everybody else.
If you're asking me, if for it to be for a whole state, which the data was for Florida, that's kind of ridiculous.
And then, with the same cases of a 19-year-old and a 21-year-old with the same point scale and two years in a comparison to 26, that's a very wide margin in sentencing based on someone not showing remorse or whatever it is.
And it wasn't even, you know, armed robbery.
It wasn't even a violent crime where, you know, when we're talking about like showing remorse or something like that, and they were young.
So, like, if we just go with what I said, that doesn't even judges have to be professional and show discretion.
So, even if this person's not showing remorse, if it's a homicide and they're not showing remorse, I understand.
But if it's stole something from Pizza Hut or you went joyriding or certain things and the sentencing is always more harsh on the black person than the white person, that's crazy.
That's systemic racism.
I agree.
How do you know?
But what always tends to happen is like black people will come out with a stat that's saying they're oppressed or like that a bad thing happened, like, or like, you know, with like BLM, like they said, oh, this is racism.
And then it just always turns out to not be racism.
Like, there always just seems to be a catch.
I mean, you could shake your hat.
I'm just saying it's lived experience.
I just want to say I'm against BL.
I was not against.
Yeah, no, no, no, but I'm saying like, I'm telling you, like, this is why you're going to have a hard time getting white people to really give the term anymore because it's like the term system.
We've just been like, hold on.
We've just been duped.
We've just been duped too many times.
There's always a catch.
We're going to homath and then Tom Fu.
I want you to introduce yourself and we're going to ask you the question and then we're going to move on to the next one.
Homath, go ahead.
I kind of lost my place in the chatter.
It was something about how do you identify every single contributing factor to the result of disparate sentencing?
Like this is this is, again, another thing that it would take me like weeks of studying to understand.
And we're expecting everybody to make a judgment on that in 10 seconds while we hear it on a on a podcast.
Okay.
It's just, it's very difficult to reconcile this idea of like black people get heavier sentencing than white people for the same crime, but what are all of the factors?
You know, how is that possible to identify?
I think I look, I agree with Dr. James in that judges shouldn't let the extenuating circumstances of nonviolent crimes, you know, factor into their sentencing.
But again, judges are people too.
Just because they should doesn't mean they do.
We say all the time women should reward men for being loyal and supportive, but a lot of a disproportionate number of women don't.
This is the reason why we talk, this is the reason why we talk about these judges.
But the bottom line is I'm just going to go with what Homath said.
Here's the bottom line.
Black fatigue is white people and other people saying it's cold outside.
And then we have black people coming out here saying exactly what Homath says, wait a minute, statistics and studies and blah, Stop being cold and get warm.
This wouldn't, black fatigue didn't just come out of nowhere.
And it just appears that a disproportionate number of black people are just making excuses.
And one last thing, I agree with Dr. James.
Yes, Black people get sentenced to longer and harsher sentences.
I'm going to repeat this again.
Don't commit crimes.
If you don't, let me make a sports reference.
A lot of people say, well, this team got screwed over because of that one call.
And that may be true.
But if you played, if you played the game to the best of your ability, you don't want to put it in the referee's hands.
You want to take care of your business through the whole game.
That way, if there is a questionable call, you'll have a big enough lead to absorb the bad call.
Well, if you know that black people are getting harsher sentences for the same crimes, how about we not commit those crimes?
Okay, okay.
Tom Foolery, introduce yourself real fast.
And I'm going to give you two minutes because I want to move on to the next question.
Is it wrong for white people to have black fatigue?
Introduce yourself and then answer the question in two minutes because I want to move on to the next question.
Okay, cool.
Yeah.
Thanks for having me.
My name's Tom.
I go by Tom Foolery Show, stream on YouTube, do politics and debates.
I think that the term black fatigue is kind of a little bit too broad.
I think the term kind of encapsulates all black people in a way that I think is kind of unfair, especially when we're bringing up things like crime statistics when it's sorry.
It's naked fatigue.
That's what it is.
Go ahead.
Go ahead, Tom.
Well, it's a so, yeah, it's a minority of the black community.
It's, you know, about 16% go to jail at some point.
And it is brought up that like they, even black people who do go to jail, they tend to get sentenced.
They're more likely to be sentenced, more likely to go to prison, more likely to have longer sentences, more likely to have their crimes upgraded.
White people are more likely to have their crimes downgraded.
And this is for the same amount of priors with the same circumstances, just as likely that if you have a paid lawyer versus a court-appointed lawyer, there's a study by the USCC that has like all of the circumstances surrounding their cases, showing by different grids which ones were more likely or less likely, and that black people were always going to get 9% more time almost every single time for all cases.
And then there's more studies on federal cases as well that show that similar circumstances, black men tend to get longer circumstances or sorry, longer periods of time.
Okay.
And Sweden Queen, you asked for two minutes to answer the question.
So I won't need two minutes.
Don't worry about that.
But there's two things that I at least do want to kind of emphasize.
At least answering the question, right?
Is it right or wrong for white people to have black fatigue?
I just want to emphasize really fast that black fatigue, like that, the way that's being discussed, like colloquially, at least, is not where the term came from.
It was coined by a specific person.
It was coined by a black woman, actually, who was discussing the impacts, the social, the physiological and physical impacts of races living within a racist society.
So the studies like done from done by West Virginia when they were trying to reach.
It's entirely irrelevant.
Oh, I'm sorry.
So the reason why it's not is because like just, I think it was actually, I'm not sure if it was Tom or Sharp, but like they talked about like where the term came from and what it actually means.
Well it doesn't matter where the term came from.
We're talking about how people feel.
We should not answer the question.
I have no guys.
I will not you're derailing the question.
We're talking about the entire panel tonight is about how people feel.
Okay.
Wait, guys.
Answer the question.
I'm trying to, but like, I'm not actually what's wrong with you.
We can move on to the next question.
It's fine.
Okay.
Okay.
Next question.
Next question.
So looking at the panel, looking at the beginning of the show, the biggest thing that set the panel off, and this is a relationship channel, talks about intersectional dynamics between men and women.
So I'm going to ask this question.
Okay.
Why do so many black women have herpes?
And how do women with such a high, no, no, how are men supposed to navigate in sexual relationships and dating with a group of women that have a 50% herpes rate, which is an incurable ST?
You date snow bunnies.
Oh, snap.
Who wants to go first?
I think, so go ahead.
Sorry.
Dr. Okay.
I'll go first.
I'll go first.
How about that?
Guys, you know, I always say, I say on my channel, American Black women are the worst women on the planet.
Straight up.
Not all, but maybe 80%.
You know, like, guys, you have to be careful out there.
You really do.
No men on the planet have worse women to choose from.
And there are factors why.
And this is one of the biggest reasons why the sexual irresponsibility.
Guys, you have to be careful and you have to stay safe.
Protect yourself at all times.
Protection.
And if it doesn't seem right, especially nowadays, in a lot of majority black areas, a lot of black women will get insulted if you whip out a condom.
They'll say, What?
You think I'm dirty?
Say, yes, put on a condom if you choose to deal with them.
That doesn't worry waiting out.
You can still get herpes.
Yeah, they're not going to be able to do it.
So those just could I respond or yeah.
I mean, two things, right?
Like, if we're going to mention studies, which I like, I either like do or don't, right?
Because like the 50%, that was for that was between 2005 and 2008.
And like the CDC shows now, at least that like black women make up, excuse me, about 38%, 34%, 34.6% of black women in America have herpes.
But moreover, this is like less than like the global, like, you know, like 70%, 67% of like all like around America.
We don't live around the world.
Like, do you know, but do we know why I said that, or are we just trying to respond to respond?
Yes, responding is a yes.
There it is.
I'm just going to kick you because I find you annoying.
Dude, she's sorry.
Girl, ask me.
This is my show.
If I find you annoying enough, I'll just kick you.
Sorry.
She's not a great contributor.
She derails everything.
Yeah, I said, I said, bring her back on because I wanted to see her reaction to the herpes question.
And she did exactly what I talked about.
There you go.
Well, what you have to understand, I'll actually answer for.
Well, you have to understand is the definition of herpes was invented back in 1841 by a black person.
Get the fuck out of here.
And here's no directions.
Let me answer the question.
I'll actually answer the question.
How do you navigate?
Let me get things back on track.
How do you get, how do you navigate a sexual marketplace?
And I can't believe I'm saying this where STD rates amongst all women appear to be higher than it's worth, you know, pursuing.
Guys, you got to use common sense, man.
Watch her activities.
Is she a hoe or is she not?
Is she showing her body on Instagram?
The chances are she's going to have a higher likely of having an STD than not.
Somebody in the chat obviously said, well, white girls have STDs too.
Yeah, not nearly as much of a rate as black women.
We all, dude, I swear to God, dude, black women, I think sometimes it's almost like they're born pregnant.
It's almost like they're born, like the promise, the promiscuity, the promiscuity in the so-called black community, it's absolutely ridiculous.
And this is why 75% of black women are baby mamas.
Dude, listen, man, at the end of the day, we can sit here and deny and obfuscate and try to muddy the waters.
But just like Pearl and Homath says, we see what we see, and we can sit here and we can talk about the internet like it's this magical land of make-believe.
No, the internet is a glimpse of what's happening in real life.
Okay.
Go ahead.
I was hoping to hear more from Dr. William James.
You're sure.
I'm just very disciplined and I wait my turn.
Yeah, no, you've been great.
So I was just curious.
Maybe it's kind of going back to something that I said before.
We were talking about because you keep bringing up facts, data, and statistics, but I think most of the fatigue really comes with like interactions with black people.
Yeah.
Like, I don't think it's like people watching the news.
It's like, like, for me, I got fatigued.
I said, where black people treated me a certain way, and I was very nice to them.
Yeah, Pearl.
So, no, I'm serious.
I'm like, no, I doubled this guy's subscribers just for him to like crash out.
Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm not sure what instances you're talking about.
I'm sure just from her story, I recognize the behavior.
Who are you referring to?
You doubled their subscribers and they did that to you.
Yeah, he was my co-I thought we were friends.
Like, I literally, I was so watching.
No, I'm not on the channel.
We're not going to name him, but just because I refuse to speak his name.
No, because Dr. James was trying to do like, Donovan, I really want to, Donovan.
I really want to finish.
No, I mean, it was just like we were friends.
And then one day he just decided to make a hit piece and he accused me of like trying to get footage of black people and like hold it over their heads.
I never did that.
And it was kind of crazy because he had like footage of me at like, like, like at one of, I don't know, like behind the scenes that he like put in the video.
And he had, he put like people that were behind the scenes on camera that weren't even like public figure.
Like it was just, it was just a full-on crash out that happened twice.
Another girl, another person that worked for me stole from me.
That was a black person.
Like, and these are three different people.
They weren't even from the same country.
American black, British, black.
And so, you know, it's, it's, you know, obviously, um, I know it's not all.
And I, I, I think as adults, we can like figure out that that's not everyone, but I just don't really understand how you don't know what we're talking about.
Well, there's way to Instagram I sent you, Pearl, it sums up exactly what you're saying.
So, um, in response to that, um, that's like you said, that's that's not the data facts and stats.
And I don't know if I think everyone has noticed I like to deal with the data facts and statistics.
And, you know, I've seen your podcast, you know, with response to talking about women and you focus on the data facts and statistics.
With anecdotal, you know, evidence and anecdotal experiences, I'm sure we can all pick out people from opposite races who have done things negatively to us.
I know I sure could if I wanted to, but I'm not going to pick out anecdotal evidence and say, I have these three white people that did this, these three Asian people that did this.
Oh, I'm fatigued with that racial category.
So that's where.
Well, it's more than three.
I would actually say it's way more than three.
Oh my God, it's so much more.
Oh my God, it's more than three.
I mean, I don't know how many you can name, but if I wanted to and sit down in my years of life, I'm 36 years old now.
I could come up with a lot for pretty much every racial category based on.
Can I ask Dr. James a quick question?
Dr. James, can we agree that there is a problem in the black community?
Can we just agree on that simple fact?
There is.
And in my book, I talk about solutions.
That's the thing.
Pearl has said something very interesting not too long ago, where she said, when she mentioned BLM, she said, you know, we've been duped so many times that, you know, it's hard to believe, you know, some of the data and stuff like that about black oppression.
And it's the same thing from the black perspective with we've been duped so many times in terms of, you know, our actual oppression or what's going to benefit us.
An example could be, you know, the Tuskegee experiment.
We've been duped so many times that when you tell us something's going to benefit us or something's better for us or the black community is so bad, we have to wonder, is this some form of an agenda?
However, yes, there are several problems we need to fix in the black community.
That's from 1932.
Gangbanging, gangbanging, drugs, these negative agendas that they push with the rap music, all of that needs to be fixed.
And I'm a person who I want to fix it and I promote fixing it.
But I'm also aware that actual systemic things have taken place.
And I want to, you know, alert people to that it's not over with.
It's still taking place.
So like even with the Tuskegee experiment that Pearl said, you know, it was 1932.
That's, that went on for 40 years.
And those men, but the last person from that study didn't die to like 2014.
But it wasn't you.
Like, we're talking about like what you've experienced.
Yeah.
No, we haven't.
What I've experienced with racism, we want to talk about that?
You're right.
I want to stay.
I want to stay.
I want to say, Athena, how do men navigate dating and mating with a group of women where 50% of them have an incurable STD?
Jesus.
That is a good question.
I think it's really bad amongst all women.
I think it was you, Pearl.
You said like one out of three women have had an STD.
And that's pretty horrifying.
And 50% is that's that's I'm kind of at a loss for words.
Actually, it was the last panel that I heard that sat.
That was the first time I heard that.
That's I don't have much to say on it because I don't know how to navigate that outside of just getting tested, not even having casual.
I don't advocate for anyone to have casual sex.
I think that people should, if they're going to have sex, be in committed relationships, get tested, do those things.
I know it's probably not the most romantic, but it's the safest thing that you can do.
Right.
Okay.
Anton Fulleri, what do you have?
Why would it be a dating market where 50% of the women of the group have an incurable STD?
It's kind of hard to consider.
Like there, there do seem to be like a lot of factors.
Like one, the fact that like black men are more likely to mate with black women.
That's who they live around.
That's who is in their community.
And so they're more likely to engage with one another.
And so when a virus is spreading within a group, it is more likely to be more prevalent within that group.
And there are studies that say that like Black women happen to be more susceptible to herpes as well.
And so I don't know how we got here, but what's the solution?
I don't, yeah, I don't know how you can get like, what do you think the solution is?
Just not meeting with black women anymore.
Yeah.
Yes.
I did want to address like a, because a number of people keep saying like this is more about like our feelings than it is anything else.
But I would hope that like we as you know logical thinkers as sapiens would want our feelings to align with reality.
And that if we find out that we have like a bunch of anecdotal experiences where every time I engage with a Christian, they're rude, they're mean, they're very judgmental, they talk down to me.
You know, if all over time, I start to feel as though Christians are all a bunch of pieces of shit.
But then I realize that like, you know, data says that like, you know, I don't know, most Christians are very nice and most people have good experiences with Christians.
I've just had like my own odd anecdotal experiences.
I would want to look at that data and compare that.
But I think, Homath, you've said a number of times that like this is just a conversation about feelings and that we can't say that our feelings are invalid.
But if your feelings don't align with reality, then aren't they invalid?
Well, it's a very complicated question.
It's what's been happening for hundreds of years ever since black people were brought from Africa to America is white people have been moving away from like every time about 20% of a neighborhood becomes black, the white people all move out.
Black people move into white areas and white people move away.
This is extremely consistent.
There's no, there's never been any trend of black people saying like, oh, white people are moving in.
Oh, this sucks.
Let's get out of here.
It's the other.
Yeah, the other way around is what happens all the time.
So there's one group that's trying to, trying to be separate and one group that's trying to not be separate.
And this is, this is the basis of the conversation is like, should we be allowed to draw borders around ourselves and be separate?
And our government says no.
And, you know, pop culture says no and political correctness says no.
But it's like, are we allowed to live the way that we want or not?
Well, the majority of like white flight happened before the 60s.
And what I hear most people say is that black families were better off that like there was higher rates of marriage firefathers in the household.
And so, but black, white people were still moving away.
And even from what we know, it did seem to be because of racism, not because of crime or any, you know, SEGs or anything.
But I don't think that that's the case today.
I think that today it's trending in a different direction.
But even when we bring up terms like systemic racism, people think that this means people are being racist, which technically it doesn't mean any person is racist or being racist.
It's about like the way that a system works and then the disproportionate outcomes within the data.
I think systemic racism is a word that people that don't really have jobs use.
Yep.
No.
So white liberalism.
Academics don't really like, I feel like most of them are kind of useless, to be honest.
Systemic jobs.
Jim came up with freaking Latinx and like 97% of people of Latin heritage hate that word, but they use these words to try to try and recreate reality.
No, white academics, well, academics period, but especially white liberal academics.
Come on now.
No.
It's systemic racism.
The term systemic racism is like, is the weather racist?
And so how do white people have to stop?
No.
Listen, systemic racism is what intellectuals, it's the excuse that intellectuals use to justify nigga behavior.
That's it.
It's not a justification.
Hold on, Let me finish.
Let me finish.
It is a justification because I just watched Dr. James sit here right now and say, well, yes, there are problems in X, Y, and Z, but it's because of systemic or systemic racism has a factor in that.
When you say, okay, I understand that there are problems in the black community, but then there is a but, what you're doing is you are giving niggas the excuse.
Well, the reason why I committed this, I actually had one dude call up in my show and tell me that that stress was passed down in from your genetics from one generation to the next.
And I could not believe what I was hearing.
And this guy called himself educated.
The bottom line for me is this.
Only in America, only in America can you do what you do.
And I would encourage anyone, I've been, guys, I've been around the world.
I've been to, dude, I've been to like 20 something countries, man.
Black people, American Black people, we have it the best right here.
Okay.
Again, I'm a four-time convicted felon.
I would not be able to accomplish what I've accomplished in any other country but here.
I'm a black man.
And yes, I've made mistakes.
And yeah, are there some racist cops and racist judges out there?
Absolutely.
But you want to know how I avoided racist cops and racist judges?
I quit committing fucking crimes.
That's what I did.
In order to keep from getting screwed over by a bad call from the referees, I got my ducks in a row.
I played my perfect game.
I didn't get penalties.
I didn't get off sides.
I did what I had to do.
That way, when I did get screwed over on that penalty, yeah, no big deal.
We're up by 21 anyway.
The way I stay out of trouble is I simply do not commit crimes.
And here is the ultimate, here is the ultimate factor in terms of 20 more seconds, Donovan, because I want to move to the next question.
Okay, real quick.
We all know that the black mecca is Atlanta, Georgia.
Okay.
That's this is where most, this is where most black people and niggas are.
If you go to any store in Atlanta, everything is locked up.
Everything is boarded up.
There's a reason for that.
Well, can I respond to that?
I feel like this is a really important thing to point out.
You want to read super chats?
Because there's a lot of them.
Yeah, I'm going to read them.
Okay, hold on.
Let him respond.
Well, let him respond while I pull up the super.
Can I respond to what was mentioned?
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
Yeah, because I didn't say what he said.
I said.
However, you know, when we look up, you know, real issues that take place in the black community, there is no but.
I said, we need, I do.
No, go ahead.
Go ahead.
We have to look at the solutions.
And I said, I'm one who goes hard on, you know, I talk about the gangbanging, I talk about the drugs, I talk about the music that is being promoted in our communities, and that has to be fixed.
The only part where I said the butt is when I was talking about the duped part in reference to what Pearl has said, and I spoke about that.
When we look at systemic racism, it's a real thing when you see that Will Fargo just got sued for their discriminating in who they hire and who they allow to bank there.
That's systemically racist.
If you look at policing, who they hire, Long Island, New York, look it up.
6,700, 6,700 black cops went through the process from 2020 to 2023.
6,700 went through the process and only 67 were hired.
They were disqualified off of a psychiatric exam, which is not objective.
It's a professional opinion.
None of the black officers who were disqualified by the psychiatrist, none of them were disqualified by a black psychiatrist.
I went to, I used to work in, I used to work in corporate America.
And there was a guy I worked with who's black.
And he literally, we were in sales and we had to make like 50 calls a day or something like that.
And he literally would call facts lines.
A grown man he would call facts lines instead of phone numbers.
And you know what?
They couldn't fire him for eight months.
So I don't know.
I think that if you're somebody, I think a lot of academics like to feel really smart.
So they like put studies that are funded by God knows who and they'll tell you God knows what.
I do reference facts, data, and statistics at times, but I do think it's important that it's backed up by real life experience because if it's not, then anybody can just put anything in front of you and you'll just believe it.
So do I believe that there's really discrimination in America?
Not at all, to be honest.
I actually think black people have it a lot easier.
There's a lot of scholars.
Like, then I go back to high school, right?
There's a guy who got like a 28 on his ACT.
He was black and got into Notre Dame.
White kid who got like a 33 got denied.
The woman who got a 30 got in.
And so it's like these experiences just happen over and over.
I understand that some people are saying that that could be anecdotal.
I think anecdotal could be a one-time thing.
And again, I can tell you story after story after story.
Like I could go on.
I used to live in a black area.
And when you live in like a place that's like 50 to 80% black people, you just notice a lot of differences in the way that as groups, people live.
There was a lot of things I didn't really appreciate about white culture until I lived amongst black people.
And I don't really think I'm wrong for having those opinions.
I know it's not all, but I've actually noticed in life that the more you have to say not all about somebody, the more they are like that.
You say not all women are whores, they're usually more likely to be whores.
That's why I wanted to say the language.
You know, I understand that, like, black people, and like, I just don't see any systemic.
The only thing that maybe could happen that is arguably systemic is like if I hired a black person and that black person stole from me and then the other one did a hit piece on me, ideally, you know, maybe you'd be less likely to hire black people in the future because they've just caused too many problems.
But against all odds, I'm still an equal opportunity employer.
Shopping, shocking.
And Doug MPA is still here, but I'll add additional facts.
In my experience, in an academic and professional setting, my worst enemy has always been another black person.
When you have black people working for you, they hate the white people and the black people.
Yep.
There's no unity amongst black.
So they hired more black cops.
They would hate the white people and each other.
Seriously.
Yeah, I agree.
I'll read the super.
Sorry, I'll read the super chats really quick.
Christopher, I'd rather be here with you, nerds, than smoking weed.
Anonymous base, big W to Donovan for the accountability.
John Gal, I can show you real-life clicks of my black tenants that would blow my mind.
If you want to, you can DM me pearly things on Twitter with a Z if you want to come up.
And Attorney Andrew, I sent you a link if you want to come up.
Fully one-third of Fatigue, fully one-third of fatigue males have had a felony conviction.
One-third, you'd have to be insane to live in that community unless you have to.
Yeah, that's the other thing.
It's like if black, if white people are so racist and terrible, like why do black people keep trying to live by us?
Another example, another example, I lived in a white neighborhood my entire life.
Two doors down from us, black people moved in.
And there was literally a shooting in my neighborhood, which is one of the largest retirement neighborhoods in the Midwest.
Swear to God.
And it's like the quiet.
I grew up with chickens.
Two doors down, black people move in.
And somebody died because there was a drug deal gone wrong.
I know there's some data that says white people deal drugs more than black people.
It's just, you know, white people do love Coke.
So I am going to give that.
That is probably our drug.
White people do love Coke and Adderall.
But I even have a hard time believing that because I've just met so many black guys that I'm going to read the rest of the super chat.
Sorry.
And then I will let you go, homath.
So then the entire U.S. real estate market can be explained by law-abiding people fleeing the fatigue community.
Max, hey, Pearl, I want to get into your sugary wall.
Okay, that's a weird thing.
Yeah, there we go.
The book Sex and Culture describes when a society achieves this level of sexual immorality, they are doomed.
Fact, fatigue, women commit homicide at a higher rate than men of parlor.
YouTube mandates that tortured word.
Oh, yeah, that's another thing.
Black women also are just much more quickly to get offended.
I've interviewed a thousand people.
So I don't know.
That's actually more.
I've actually talked to more people than are in a lot of these studies.
So who's more credible, me or them?
And black women just are way more disagreeable.
They get offended way easier.
Where white people just tend to give the benefit of the doubt and say, oops, I'm sorry.
Uh, way more polite.
Um, okay, beneficial benefice.
Um, the Washington Post bragged about 900,000 white Americans losing their jobs and being replaced.
That would make anyone tired.
Yeah, that's the other thing.
Um, defiant Brandon, Dr. Doofus is disingenuous.
He said that the problem doesn't exist because there is no data, then plugged in his garbage book as the solution.
I see, um, y'all can repair that friendship.
Most ninjas would have done the same after the ninjas live.
Good comment hole.
Family pro family profile made him turn on you.
Comfort Williams answers history, systems, and data explains the behavior, doesn't excuse it.
Um, you don't get to preempt black fatigue.
How many are reoffending third strike laws?
I don't maybe you could do you know how many were reoffending, Dr. William James and third strike laws of the data you cited.
Do you know of the data I cited?
Third strike, none of them were third strike.
Okay, that's that's your answer.
Um, full week strikes, okay.
Well, then, yeah, they're they're oppressed.
Um, no, we're talking about when I was comparing like the sentencing with the uh points.
I don't know, you don't have to go too in depth.
I was just gonna answer really quick.
Stats show that black people are convicted at the highest rate when the judge and the jury is predominantly black.
Just stop.
We see YNs going crazy all the time.
Um, Luke Red Pill Perry says salt.
Um, Alpha Kino, and she's black.
Shout out to Jesse and Pearl.
Um, Justin, bring love you, Pearlie.
Keep grifting like a boss.
Girls gotta eat.
Thank you.
Ninja ninja culture is a mind virus spread by rap, music, and social media.
Ninjas have to go to Europe to escape.
John, here's the irony: don't commit crimes.
Yeah, but what?
Whippo?
I agree.
You know, I just don't think it's that hard to not commit crimes.
No offense, Donovan.
Mr. Fantastic.
And I came here for a respectful conversation.
He's in the chat.
10 race, subhail, hair math, whole math, drop that knowledge.
Mr. Fantastic could come on next week.
We're going to continually do these Sunday panels.
So against all odds, I've had to do them because a black host also crashed out on me because I said 50% of black women have herpes.
You know, it's as if I made them get herpes.
You know what I mean?
Like, let Urban Landlord go up there and educate with his dope beneficiary.
Look at the enforcement.
These judges play catch and replace with violent offenders when they fit the narrative.
Clue Studio: I've had a pew pew pointed at my face twice.
Both were black.
Red Pill Perry, Black Fatigue, L Y N's and L Nick Care.
Mr. Fantastic, I'll pay $5 so it's not ignored.
See, do you see what I mean?
It's like they're the black super chatter.
He's assuming I'm ignoring him, which is bad faith, when really there was just a lot of super chats and the conversation was tough.
He's offended.
The white people that were also ignored are not offended.
It just never like it never ends.
I paid that $5 this time, so it's not ignored.
Our $3 crimes and child molestations, violent crimes.
You know what?
I had someone say that white people were the majority of child molestations.
And that's actually true.
I googled it.
But black people are still overrepresented.
So they're still a higher percentage than they are of the population.
Are sex crimes and child molestations violent?
Yeah.
So I can't remember sex crimes.
Maybe there were the majority.
And if we are, I can live with that.
I really won't fight you on it.
Joe Will Dalton, like all generalizations, they are generally true.
Joe Galt, there's no one on this panel that knows blacks like me.
I deal with them every day.
I did offer you to come up.
Love the link, but I'm not in a, okay, yeah, it's okay.
No problem.
Come on, bro.
Lighten up.
No, sorry, I'm just going through them.
Full week.
No, no, oh, sorry.
I was reading something else.
Hold on.
Okay.
So when we talk about someone said they weren't in the right place for to call in.
When you talk about Latinos and Asians, they don't say, what about the whites?
Most blacks do it and black women on this panel proving it.
Are sex and molestation violent crimes?
I don't know if they're categorized as that.
That's a good question.
I think they should be.
I think that's awesome.
Yeah.
I mean, although the only thing with sex crimes is women call everything rape.
So it's just like, yeah, right.
It's just like, I mean, I would agree, like a violent crime would be a guy, you know, pulling them off the side of the road, but there's just too much.
You know, they just like, I saw something where the woman that accused Harvey Weinstein of like rape was like in his hotel room.
And she's like, I consented to getting eaten out, but I didn't consent to this other thing.
And I'm like, that's crazy that you're able to talk publicly about this.
Like, full week Todd, you're welcome for the $15.
Continue not understanding why people don't like you because of bad arguments and not being held accountable, especially.
Yeah.
I do understand why black people don't like me and why people don't like me.
And I can live with it.
Full wee Todd, when you think black, think.
Oh, yeah, I read that.
Okay.
Okay.
Home math, go ahead.
It's your turn.
Oh, man.
I had a lot of points that were relevant at the time.
I'm not sure what to add at this point.
I was going to talk about how the plural of anecdote is data.
I was going to talk about the whole not all thing.
Yeah, do it, man.
Let me just throw this up real quick.
When people say not all, this is kind of like the point that they're making.
Not all, but, you know, still, it's a problem.
So, you know, not really very persuasive.
The drug deals, I was going to say, like, what if white drug dealers are just more polite?
What if they're just like nicer in court?
Yeah.
I always say I would be a really good drug dealer.
I would be.
You're too tall.
Yeah, you would stand out, Pearl.
I would be a terrible drug dealer because I would be like, are you sure that these are the right drugs for you?
And it would never be true.
It would never be true.
Would you like a different strain of cocaine today, sir?
I feel like the not all thing is important, though, right?
Like when like people say like all white people are racist or all men or dogs or something like that.
Like, I do think that when you generalize, overly generalize and say, use these overly broad, blanketed terms, that I do think that it is important for people to do.
But the world operates in the world operates in generalities.
Otherwise, we wouldn't need to say anything.
I can say people in Boston are rude.
No, not all people in Boston are rude, but we know that most people in Boston are rude.
Like everything can be combated with not all.
Tom, you wanted to talk about something about.
Yeah, I was going to say the way, like, so earlier, you guys were talking about the fact that like a lot of excuses are made and that like the systemic racism is kind of just accusing people when like again, systemic racism is more just about data.
And once you find that there's a disproportionality, you're just trying to find a reason for that.
I understand that like when we bring up like there's not a you know two parent households in the black community, like this is us looking at a reason for why this might happen.
And it's the same if we find communities where there might be a lot more drug use.
Like there's communities in, I think, Ohio that have an ridiculous amount of heroin use there.
So we're not just going to tell them, hey, guys, just don't do heroin.
Like, we're going to try to find the reason for that.
We also want to hold them accountable.
We also want them to go to jail if they get caught.
We want drug dealers to get in trouble.
We want the accountability to be there.
And so, if people are turning around and just saying, oh, it's because I'm black.
Yes, they are using excuses to where that person as an individual will never improve and they need to actually take accountability for their own lives.
But as a society, when things become bigger problems and they become systemic, not just for black people, but for drug use, for you know, uh, uh, promiscuity, whatever like the issue is, we want to look at what the causes are and what it is we can do to make these things less likely.
And so, that's the only reason that we would bring up stats and like systemic racism and things like that is not to excuse what it is that's happening or say that they shouldn't be held accountable in any way, but to say if there's a reason for this, that is important for us to have the conversation.
It's important for us to have the conversation, and it is a factor.
But if you are a victim of a violent crime committed by a black person, you don't want you don't give a fuck about the why, you don't give a shit about the why.
A lot of a lot of black people would say, Well, the reason why he committed this violent crime, and they can have really legit reasons.
He grew up without a father, his mother was a drug dealer, um, he has maybe he has a learning whatever the case may be.
If you are the family of that victim, you're not going to say, you know what, uh, you know, your honor or jury, I'm going to request a lighter sentence because I now know why.
I think, and I'm not saying that you're doing this, Tom, uh, tomfoolery, but a lot of people want to have the conversation why as a guise or a ruse to continue to make excuses.
No, yeah, not always, it's not always, it's not always pointing out that you know, uh, systemic racism is an excuse, but a lot of time when people say not all and it's it's systemic racism, it is a low-key, indirect way of excusing the behavior to some degree.
I want to see the rest of uh homath's thing.
Do you want to finish homath?
Well, where was I?
What do I want to finish?
What?
Oh, I thought you were making a drawing.
No, oh no, I was doing doing a whole bunch of things.
You were talking about like the not all thing, yeah.
The well, the not all thing, it's like that that's a topic that we could talk about for like hours by itself.
When we're again, you know, it's coming down to when a group of people are generally expressing a sentiment around another group of people.
The idea is not all.
It's like, well, not all Mexicans are in cartels, so let's open the border and let them all in.
Well, you let in the whole cartel, right?
Yeah, um, the Branca show: anybody who needs not all lacks the emotional maturity to engage in a productive adult dialogue.
We all know not all too many can be inferred.
Exactly.
Well, I would think it would at least be the majority, though, if we are using like black people.
So, like, like I said earlier, I would not accept the white people.
It doesn't, it doesn't matter if it's the majority, it matters if it if it's enough to make a difference.
Yeah, I do think it's the majority.
Um, some of the things that I said, like, I would say that I would guess the majority of black women have herpes.
Um, just because, um, usually when there's like an STD stat, it's usually worse than you think.
Because no, because like, who's going to admit that?
You know, you're going to ask them to admit it.
I'm going to use this since we're talking about the why and stuff and how we got here.
I'm going to use this as a segue for the last question of the evening.
And I'm going to start with Athena and Pearl, the two ladies, and then we can go to Dr. James, Homath, Donovan, Tom Foolery.
Okay.
How can men, black men in particular, but you could use men in general, Marry and have children with a group of women that don't see fathers and husbands as necessary.
Since we're talking about, oh, the single mothers in the crime and stuff, how can men, black men in particular, if you want to say men, period, how can we, how can black men or men in general deal with and have permanent relationships and marriage with women that see fathers?
Yeah.
Men is optional.
Go ahead.
You can't.
It's cooked.
Yeah.
I think it's actually cooked for all races.
So I'm all getting, but I would just really wouldn't expect anything.
Maybe you can get a kid and maybe she'll let you have it, but probably not.
So I would just, yeah.
And I would say that for all races.
White women, we might wait a little long, like we might, because black women, from what I've seen, they tend to break up with the kid's dad.
Like a lot of times, even before the kids, they might have never been together.
White women will get married, but when that kid gets to preschool, you're cooked, fellas.
Your youngest, however many kids she wants, once your youngest one's in preschool, your life is about to be ruined.
And there's the occasional man that does figure out his way around it.
You know, Donovan's one of them.
But Donovan had to do like a decade of work and like who wants to do all that.
Oh, wait a minute.
Yeah.
Listen, the work, the work still, it's never, it is a never-ending process.
Being married, being in a good, strong, solid relationship, it never stops.
But what Pearl is talking about, it took a long time to rid my wife of her attention-seeking behaviors.
It wasn't easy, but it was worth it.
And my life is so much better than it ever was running through hoes in Vegas.
Oh my God.
Okay.
Okay.
Next up is Athena.
You want me to read the question again?
Oh, no.
I pretty much agree with Pearl.
I understand like the population in the United States is decreasing.
Like we need people to have kids.
We need people to get married and have kids.
So I understand what you're saying.
And I understand that there are a lot of issues and we need to essentially get down to the bottom of it.
I would say any woman who says, I don't need a man or I don't respect men or anything along those lines, I would just move on.
And I would ask those questions really early.
And honestly, even for just sleeping with them, I wouldn't even do that because attention is like a woman's currency.
Well, yeah, that too.
But attention is like a woman's currency.
So if you just deprive them of what it is that they want the most, they will start acting right.
They'll start correcting themselves, even if it's temporarily.
I think a lot of people have compared it to like a mind virus.
And I actually used to have a little more contention with Pearl until I got on TikTok.
I said I would never get on TikTok.
Finally got on TikTok and then I was like, oh, dang, society's good.
I was like, this is bad.
This is really bad.
So I would just say, really look at her past, listen to what she says, get to know her family.
Trust the patterns.
Trust the red flags.
Don't, you know, they say post-nut clarity is a thing.
So, you know, maybe wake her up before and then go on your date.
And like, if she's not okay with a coffee date, keep it moving.
Most men or most good women, they're okay with a coffee date.
They're okay.
Actually, the cutest date that I saw recently was meeting up for coffee and doing a puzzle together.
I thought that was adorable.
But yeah, I'll lay my plane there.
Okay.
Dr. William James.
Yeah.
Yeah, so I believe the question was, what can black men do with a group of women who don't see men as necessary?
Fathers, husbands, or men in general as necessary.
You can't do nothing with a woman that doesn't see a father or a husband, you know, or men in general as necessary because they don't see you as necessary.
So then you have to deal with that masculine behavior that men aren't attracted to, which is to, you know, what Kevin Sims used to talk about.
And, you know, what other people, even I in the app, in this, what they call a manosphere, I talk about.
That's something we have to fix, as Pearl said across the board, but we have to fix it in the Black community.
I focus on speaking to the Black community.
And we got a lot of Black women out here who need to fix this behavior.
A lot of women tend to look for the bad boy first.
I did a video about this I posted today.
It's Black women out there like Sierra who they go for the bad boy first.
And then after they get ran through or after they get pregnant by a pookie or ARA, now they want to go to a black guy who's like this Russell Wilson type of square dude who will accept them.
A simp, we call it, that will accept them and their child from their previous relationship or relationships.
It usually comes down to that.
So as Athena was just saying, you know, we got to do a better job at weeding them out.
And you have to get to know them and see their personality, look for those red flags.
A lot of the red flags, you know, jump out at you.
You know, I always say pay attention to things like those super long nails.
It's a red flag to me.
They have all of these tattoos all over, especially, you know, in those red flag spots, you know, those tramp stamps, those ones in the middle of the chest, the one right, those ones right on their thigh.
The September piercing.
Oh, my God.
Those piercings.
Yeah.
The bull, what's it?
The bull ringer bull nose.
Even when they get those, what they call it, a bridge or the bar thing straight through there.
I pay attention to all of that before I even get to speaking to them.
Obviously, if they're dressed half naked, that lets you know where their mind is at.
But yeah, you have to just pay attention to all of these red flags and, you know, think with your brain and not your, you know what.
Yeah.
So I pay attention to all of that.
You know, you got to, I tell men to look for the red flags.
Look at what type of music they like.
Look at their hobbies.
Look at their interests.
Look at who they like on this on this podcast, you know, universe type of thing.
You know, if she's, you know, she gets mad if you bring up Kevin Samuels, then that's a sign.
Real sign.
She gets mad.
If you bring up Pearl Davis, it's a sign.
Even with me being in this space now, I'm sort of glad, even though you have to watch people's ulterior motives, but I like that they can Google me or go on my Instagram or go on YouTube and see interviews that I've done and see how I talk because then that weeds them out anyway.
There we go.
When I'm speaking like this, they'll see also you on this panel saying like, oh, women shouldn't just dress like this or women shouldn't be twerking and all this stuff.
And then the modern feminist comes out of them.
They can't help it.
So, you know, you just got to look for that and weed them out.
Okay.
Next up, Momath.
Well, I just have this little visual here.
My God, where this is women saying, I don't need a man.
I don't need a man.
I just need all men to pay me for the government.
Let's go.
This is great.
Dude, you take that down a little bit, please.
Like, give us the how and the why.
Well, I mean, like, this is when you let women vote, they vote to get to give everybody stuff for free, but there's no such thing as free.
So it has to come from someone.
And if it comes from someone, it has to come from the people who are working.
And the people who are working are men because women just like take care of children and the elderly and buy Starbucks and go to Lululemon.
And so men have to pay, even though they don't have wives and they just go, oh, and they pay, and they get nothing.
Wait, you could do this with black people and white people where they say we don't need that's exactly true.
Hang on, hang on, hang on, let me pull that up.
Let me do it on your own.
I'm about to drop the note.
I had a producer whose um his grandma was from um Zimbabwe and he she lived under colonization and she said she wanted it back.
She said she said she missed colonization.
Oh, wow.
I got it.
Oh, don't white men pay like 80% of the taxes.
Yeah, white men are paying everybody's bills in America.
We don't want to.
We don't want to, but if we don't do it, then the government murders us.
So Homath is the man, dude.
Straight up.
Let's go.
Yeah.
Okay.
Listen, I don't know how I'm going to follow that up, but I'll say.
Hold on, hold on.
Donna, hold on.
Are you done, Homath?
Yeah, I'm all set.
Okay.
Tom Fuller, go ahead.
Question about the husbands.
What was the question again?
The question was.
Yeah, why should black date black women?
No, no, no.
Well, I mean, that's pretty much the context, but how can men, black men in particular, have long-term relationships or marriages and have children with a group of women that see fathers and husbands as unnecessary or men in general as unnecessary?
From my understanding, it kind of the chicken came before the egg.
Like the, there were, it was common that black men within the community were not as likely to like stick around and father.
Whoa, And then women came up with the well, let me let me finish with the thought process because I'm saying my understanding is that that came first.
And then the women's mentality became: all right, fine.
If you're not going to stick around, we're going to become independent and we're going to, you know, just take care of ourselves.
And then that came the mantra, we don't need men because we're able to take care of ourselves.
Okay.
Black people were married at 80, 85% rate up until 1970.
Okay.
What you're talking about is a myth.
Wait, when the 90s were feminism of the we don't need no man started in the early 2000s, late 90s.
No, it didn't.
No, it started way before that, my friend.
It started.
No, Black women were given government benefits and they walked away from men first.
And not only that, but in the 70s, when public schools opened up, black men were pushed to trade jobs and factory jobs, and black women were pushed to colleges.
So by the late 80s and the 90s, when manufacturing was being pushed out, you had affirmative action counting black women as double minorities, putting them in white-collar jobs.
Black men had to catch up really, really fast.
Black women chose government benefits and being single mothers over their men.
They're the only female group in mass to choose that over their men.
Pro said the best.
When women had choice, they choose the worst thing for them.
Women have choice and they choose to be whores.
Black women had choice and they chose to leave their men behind.
And you're perpetuating this trope that, oh, yeah, black women had to get it.
Black men have always made more money than black women.
They do so now.
We work harder.
We work longer.
We die sooner.
Black women are not the backbone of the black community.
Never have been, never will be.
It's black men's hard work, sweat, and tears that freaking have the black community on life support as it is right now.
So stop perpetuating these tropes, Tom.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
I mean, yeah, I would have to see something that I don't have to.
I've lived it.
So don't say, well, I grew up in an all-black neighborhood in New York.
I live in Atlanta around all black people as well.
I don't know where you're getting this from, but yes, historically, the chicken did seem to come before the egg in that there was fatherlessness that came first.
And then black men.
And no, no, no, no.
It's not, it's not just black men.
Like, there is like a culture of like getting somebody pregnant, and the women and the man weren't ready for marriage, which is why black women also have like insanely high abortion rates.
I think there was a couple of years ago where there went about 10 years.
You interpret women in New York City had more abortions than they have.
You interpret this data so favorable towards women.
Well, it's not about favorability.
I'm talking about explaining it as if like it's our fault.
Yeah, like as if the women were just these innocent people.
You guys are the most dangerous people.
I'm not talking about faults.
I'm talking about facts.
No, but that's what you are.
That's what you're doing.
What you are essentially doing is you're saying, well, I don't need a man didn't come from women themselves.
Men, we don't give a shit.
We don't care how long it's been around.
We care that it's around.
I'll answer the question.
Let me answer CPA's question here.
How can we marry a group of women who have this permanent, who have this negative stereo, this negative view?
Where men and husbands are not necessary.
Number one, you can't be with a woman who sees you as unnecessary.
That's just all there is to it.
Number two, Athena's coffee date analogy.
This is the, that is the perfect analogy.
A coffee, and I want you guys to pay attention.
A coffee date is a test drive.
Okay.
If a woman does not, if a woman tells you she doesn't want to go on a coffee date, what she is essentially telling you is that she knows that she's not going to measure up.
So she wants to get her cash and prizes before you figure out that she ain't shit.
That's why they, this is why women reject coffee dates.
A coffee date, like I said, is a test drive.
You get to see if you actually can, if you actually like this girl's company, but girls don't like coffee dates because it allows you to see what's under the hood.
They don't want you to see what's under the hood until you've committed.
And here's the here's the last thing.
This is the problem with baby mama culture: is that modern women have higher, they have higher standards for their bait.
I'm sorry, they have higher standards for their stepdaddies than they do their baby daddies.
This is why better than three out of four black women in the black community are baby mamas because they have higher standards for their stepdaddies than they do for their baby dadders than they do for their baby daddy Sierra.
Okay, I feel like earlier you guys were talking about like not allowing people to be accountable and making excuses, but I feel like that's exactly what's happening right now.
We're talking about the problem that exists that perpetuates other problems and you're making excuses so that there is no accountability.
Okay, fine.
You're right.
We're wrong.
Let's just have the conversation instead of talking about it.
Okay.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, what do you say?
I'm gonna read the super chats really quick.
Yeah.
Make sure to show the super chats.
Like I can't do it once it's passed on the right.
Oh, okay.
Like, that's why I'm not doing it.
If you go to starred, you can see all of them.
Oh, really?
Let me see.
Yes.
If you see where it says live in the chat, and then you go over to starred, yeah, you will see every super chat from the very start.
Oh, that's so awesome.
Thank you.
Okay, where men make their mistake is expecting women to use logic.
It's not in their nature to do so.
This is why they shouldn't vote.
Attitudes towards blacks in America was far more malign.
If you're only fatigued now, then that's happily acceptable.
It's why the topic is all shock, value, and dumb.
I don't see how you'll shock us next.
I understand why you think that.
I really do.
But I'm telling you, when I left England, black people just fatigued me too hard.
I was done.
I never saw race until they made me.
But you call white people colonizers and racists.
Like, you do that for a decade.
It's like, what do you mean?
Can you play that Instagram reel before we go about that?
We'll go talking about why Jen Z is so racist.
Yeah, let me get through it.
Proverbs 31, 3, don't give your strength to a woman and that which destroys kings.
Imagine believing other groups' experiences too.
And I'd maybe believe men's experiences, but like, imagine if I just believed women's experiences.
Like your group has to have a reputation for being honest.
Yeah.
And like, so like, if I believed women's experience, it would be like, oh, I get raped every other day.
Yeah.
And then, you know, it's like, so I actually don't think I have to believe every groups or not everyone tells the truth.
Not all, like, not all groups tell the truth equally.
And I would just put men way above women.
So if all women, if a woman is available after 25 and not a widow, she's cooked.
Facts.
Ninja culture definitely over my next Latina.
I get I'm out on God.
Interesting.
Okay.
That's all though.
Okay.
Sorry.
Homath, welcome to go while I pull up the next video.
Welcome to what?
Yeah.
Didn't you have something you wanted to add?
Oh, look at this.
I mean, I usually have something I want to add.
I just always forget what it is.
What's that on your paper now?
What is that?
Well, I'm pointing to the, we were just talking about how women pick the bad boy to reproduce with and then pick the good guy to pay them money later.
And I just all mapped out.
That's what.
No, feminism's a strategy so women can bang hot guys and have other men pay for it.
Yeah, feminism is getting pregnant with the bad boy.
I have a little sword here and then getting the good guy to pay for it with his money.
And like I've been, I've been both of these guys.
Yes.
Ideally, what we're supposed to do is get each woman to agree to be with a man who's enough of both.
But we don't want to do that anymore.
Women want to split it.
Men don't want to split it and women want to.
We're going to close out the show and watching this video about why probably most Gen Z white people are racist is because black people treated us like shit for no reason.
Y'all's millennial parents raised you to be racist to white people.
And so you go out into the world treating white people like crap and you're shocked to your freaking core when white people don't like you.
And black people like to act like this just doesn't make any sense.
They're like, hmm, we've treated young white people like shit for their entire life.
I wonder why they're growing resentment.
But if a black person experiences racism for their entire life, which is not even probably 1% of what white people experience, black people don't even get real racism.
Okay.
White people are the ones who experience racism.
The black people get like the minute racism and they're like freaking out.
White people just deal with it.
It's pattern recognition, man.
It comes from somewhere.
You got to accept accountability.
The honest truth about why probably most.
Damn, she dropped facts.
There you go.
That was pretty good.
What's her number?
Okay.
She got really hot on.
So let's wrap things up here because we're coming on three hours.
We're going to have Pearl, Athena, Dr. William James, Homap, Tom Foolery.
Don, if we can close out.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, my final thoughts are that white people didn't ask to be fatigued, but black people's behavior has indeed made us fatigued.
And while you can point to studies and say that there are systemic racism, I think that you can make a study or a stat or a fact or data and statistics say pretty much anything.
And black people will always cite sources to make it seem like they're the victim.
They also do this in their personal lives.
I've seen it at work.
I've seen it with black people I was friends with.
And it's not all, but it's significant enough that white people are fatigued.
The only group of black people I did not see that had this set of behaviors are surprisingly the ones from actual Africa.
I don't know why, but when they came to the ones I met in the UK, just were not about this racism stuff.
They said, you guys don't know about racism.
They said my grandma was actually under colonization.
That was their experience.
That's what they said.
So I don't know.
Anyways, yeah, I don't think white people wanted to be fatigued.
It's just black people kept committing crimes and doing things that were very unruly.
But I appreciate this panel because nobody on this panel made me fatigued except the girl I kicked earlier.
Well, that was a lot of fatigue.
Okay.
Athena?
I'll say that I don't feel like I'm well versed on this subject.
I'm still trying to learn a little bit more about it.
But I see issues on both sides.
So I think I just need to do a little more research on things and see, you know, how I feel about it.
I definitely call out what I can.
I don't feel like I got to add much to the panel.
I try to be respectful and not interrupt.
But I normally focus on anti-feminism, but it was still lovely to be here.
So thank you.
And she booked like half this panel.
So shout out to Athena, the very few women that actually brought me value into my life.
Thank you.
Dr. William James, final thoughts?
My final thoughts: when we have these discussions, I like to always be rooted in data, facts, statistics, no matter what topic I'm discussing.
I think that's the only way we can move the needle and then get anywhere with these types of discussions.
Otherwise, we're just dealing with persons' opinions and their anecdotal experiences.
And you can take it as truth or not.
But you can't really twist certain facts and statistics, facts are facts.
There's tier one sources, there's tier two sources, and there's.org, there's.edu, there's real studies.
It's just like if we look at a DSM-5, where they have real professionals that conduct their research to come up with facts that we can use to analyze and, you know, look at actual experiences and data.
So even when we look at, you know, real experiences, we can't ignore the fact that there are really billion-dollar companies being sued like Well Fargo for racism and hiring and banking.
So, you know, that's a systemic issue.
We can't ignore redlining.
We can't ignore the history that shows that there are real issues.
Just like when we see these modern women and these modern feminists, how they're impacting marriage and certain things today percentage-wise, we look at the data, facts, and statistics.
We see that it's a negative, the modern feminist movement.
So I like to stay rooted in that.
And I think that's the best thing that we could do with these discussions.
Hi, Matt.
Oh, Matt.
Well, one thing that I was trying to say earlier, I didn't get the chance to, is that the plural of anecdote is data.
I wrote anecdota here.
And facts can be wrong, but feelings cannot.
And when a whole bunch of people start telling you about their feelings and you tell them that they're wrong, that's just, you're wrong.
because people's feelings can never be wrong.
What's going on in our culture right now is feelings-based and the data-based part of it doesn't invalidate that.
And I think that's what people should really be focusing on.
We have a lot of discomfort with each other as things become more, as different groups start to mix, we have problems with each other.
And when you point out data and say, oh, this is here, why you shouldn't feel that way, that's kind of what I want to focus on.
You can't tell people why they shouldn't feel a certain way.
That is, I think what we should be focusing on is what people want and not rather what's true.
It's a lot harder to tell what's true than it is to tell what people want.
Okay.
Tom Fooler, go ahead.
You're on mute.
Yeah, sorry.
My computer's lagging a little bit.
So I think I generally try to like base all of my opinions based off of studies or the way that I think about something.
I might have feelings based on my own anecdotal experiences, but I don't try to like project that onto overall groups as though if I've engaged with 300 black people, that this is representative of 70 million black people or anything like that.
I think studies, because they're done with peer-reviewed processes and scientific processes, this makes it to where they are trustworthy.
And then people's own random experiences that they have, whether even if me and another person both have very drastically different experiences where they say, hey, every single Latino that I engage with is the nicest person ever.
And I say every Latino that I engage with is the meanest person ever.
There has to be some way for us to come to a consensus.
And generally, it's going to be some third-party scientific consensus that exists that we should be relying on instead.
But I think that a lot of times people just pick and choose studies based on whether or not it aligns with their feelings.
Their feelings comes first, and then they choose the studies that they want to cite based on their feelings.
But if we just play TikTok videos that say the things that we like or TikTok videos that show the anecdotes that we like, this doesn't really give us a real perspective.
I think that there, I debate black people all the time who cry about racism all the time, who say that all white people are racist.
They use the colonizer narratives.
They talk about the CRT academia and shit like that.
I think these people are fucking nuts.
I think that they are insane.
I can't stand a lot of the shit that they say because they overly generalize what it is that they've seen in movies or in their own experiences.
But I think the black fatigue narrative is just the other side of the same coin, where it's a bunch of people saying a bunch of crazy shit and just whining and crying about their own anecdotal experiences with people and kind of overly generalizing people in a way that doesn't actually align with reality.
Well, yeah, you want because you want to be the interpreter of reality.
Yeah.
That's how the academics want to do.
It's like ultimate gaslighting.
Anyways.
Donovan?
Yes, sir.
Studies, not me.
And listen, man, let me just address Tom here quickly.
Dude, this look, man, I understand why you say what you say, but you don't have to, you don't have to have experience with 300,000 black people to get black fatigue.
Okay.
And it's not just our own.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, honestly, like at this point, like, and you don't have to, you don't, it just be, you don't have to have just base your opinions on anecdotal experience because there are other people who are giving their anecdotal experiences on TikTok, on Twitter, on YouTube.
Tom, I would strongly advise you to go and watch TikTok videos and YouTube and Twitter about black fatigue.
There are black people running around just hitting white people for no good reason.
Little kids in the schoolyard.
I saw a video, dude.
There are too many to name.
I saw a video where a group of black football players ganged up on a white kid in South Carolina in the dorm and beat the shit out of him just because he was white.
Thank God the kid recorded the video.
Anyway, black people are the most fatigued.
And the reason why black people are the most fatigued is because we're the ones that have to indirectly pay the price for the behavior of niggas.
Okay.
I live in a gated community.
I live in a gated community because I don't want to be around niggas.
Okay.
The Walmart and Target in my neighborhood, we don't have anything locked up because there are literally no niggas that live here.
And as far as Dr. James, and do respect Dr. James, data and statistics, you're smart enough to know that they can be made to say whatever you want.
You can get them from.org or.co or dot whatever.
They can be made to say whatever you want.
And this is exactly what Tom Fullery just said.
You can look at facts and statistics that only back up your feelings.
So then there's that.
But then you think about this.
People who are victims of black fatigue, they ain't trying to hear about tier one or tier two sources.
Okay.
They see this shit.
They live this shit every day.
And they're not about to say, well, well, I guess black fatigue isn't real.
No, black fatigue is real.
A black person robbed me, but look at my tier two source.
My boss got his truck stolen by a bunch of.
It's ridiculous.
And listen, okay.
And so Wells Fargo's being sued.
So fucking what?
If Wells Fargo is doing redlining, then go bank with somebody else.
Why in the world are we trying to go where we're not appreciated?
If Wells Fargo really was that racist, then what the fuck are we trying to be at Wells Fargo 40 Way?
Big fucking deal.
Number three, redlining was ancient fucking history.
And black people are using the shit that happened in the past as an excuse for this nigga behavior.
And again, Dr. James, do respect.
You appear to be red-pilled on women, but my friend, you are not red-pilled on race.
And the sooner you admit to the fact that niggas are ruining black culture, the better off we'll all be.
And that's all I got.
Okay.
So my closing statement is: I told you, I've been black for over 40 years.
You know, I've been, you know, I was too white for the black people.
And thank God for that.
I wear that.
I wear that as a badge of honor.
Black people have made my version of blackness, they've made my version of blackness my problem my whole life.
I don't understand why black people feel it necessary to take up space, be loud, disturb the pieces.
It's not about crime.
It's about why is it that the meanest, nastiest person at every workplace is a black woman that you have to call Miss Kwanisha or miss something or other.
Why?
And then, oh, yeah, oh, yeah, it's just how she is.
Why is it that the black single mother has to come to the school and raise hell at the teacher who's just trying to put some discipline in her child when she won't do it at herself?
Why is it we go on TikTok?
We know that there are more white people on food stamps than black people, but the only people on social media saying, if I don't get my food stamps, I'm going to rob somebody are black women.
Why is this?
Why?
We have this incessant need to take up space, disturb the peace, make ourselves be heard.
Why?
No.
White people are tired of it.
There's a certain level of decorum and respect you have to have to live in society and in certain parts of America.
And just and one last thing: if you're a black person who's worth a damn, your parents have the conversation with you having having to learn how to play the game to get to where you want to be.
And that was understood up until about, you know, people right around 35 understand this.
But the new, there's a group of black people, especially younger, younger, you get, you don't understand that you have to play the game first and they don't want to play the game anymore.
They don't want to conform and just like do what's necessary to fit in, fit in first, get to a position where you can make a change and then do that.
But don't walk around making noise, yell and scream.
It's not just about crime, it's about that unquantifiable just fatigue that black people are causing on white people.
And I'm here for it, man.
I've had black people fatigue my whole life.
And I'm glad that people like Pearl and White America is finally starting to speak out about it.
Black people have been punching a social credit card for the past 15, 20 years, and the bill is due.
Right.
Okay.
I'm going to read this last super chat: six decades of experience with fatigue.
But the study from a DEI-ridden academic center says I'm wrong.
So, oh, well, he also messaged me and says, he wanted to super chat this, but it got blocked.
Having herpes is largely an answer to the question: Do you date black women to say?
Fatigue people professing utter bewilderment at why people are fatigued tells the whole story.
Thanks.
Well, thank you guys all for coming.
Even if you disagreed, I thought you were all really respectful and good sports.
We'd like to have you back.
So thanks for coming.
And I'm just going to kick you guys now and then do final thoughts with Doug.
So I appreciate it.
Thank you guys.
All right.
That was cool, Doug.
I think we'll make this a regular thing, you know.
Yeah.
You should have like four people instead of six, maybe.
Yeah, I think there's some changes, like less people.
And I, you know, it would have helped if I had given you muting power before the show, but I just could not figure out how to do it during.
So we'll figure that out for next time.
But I think this is a good me being petty, you know, might have started something cool.
You know what it is?
You're hanging out with one of those petty people on the planet.
I live that petty life, man.
I'm telling you, I will always encourage you to be petty.
Yeah, but I think this is a good thing going.
I don't know.
I was going to tell Athena.
I'm like, Athena, you can come on every week if you book these panels.
Yeah.
I'm like, if you work with us to book the panel, you can come on weekly.
I don't care.
She's a great panelist.
Do you have her contact information?
Because we can tailor the show that'll be more to her strengths.
Yeah.
That'd be great.
Yeah, she was fantastic.
But everyone was pretty respectful except for the person that we would think wouldn't be.
I mean, come on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And thank you for bringing her back.
I told you to bring her back up because I wanted to see her reaction to the herpes question, but she crashed out like I thought that she'd crash out.
Yeah.
Do you know what?
I just said I'm emailed you or contact.
You know, I will if I will kick people off if they're just really annoying, even if I can't describe why.
So be warned.
Someone reached out and said that she messaged them and she's taking accountability.
Smoothie queen, she said that she's backstage, waiting to be added back.
She's willing to talk when it's her term.
I said, we'll let her back on next time.
She needs to learn a lesson about main character syndrome.
She's not the main character.
I don't really know because I just don't feel like talking to her again.
Like, I don't know how to put it.
Like, you guys, like, you have to understand part of like women do this.
They're just really unlikable towards you.
And she wasn't even the worst one, but my tolerance is just getting Lila Rose made it less.
And then, you know, it's so funny.
You're like, okay, let's just never talk again.
And then they're like, but I want to talk.
And you're like, I think that's like women.
They just torture you.
She's, I'd consider giving her another chance.
I'd consider it.
And here's the thing.
I love this arc that you're on, Pearl.
I love it because you've been wanting to talk about this and share your feelings.
I didn't think we'd ever be at this point where you could share your feelings about this after what happened to you in London.
And now, you know, thank God for Trump and these media companies pressuring them and finding out that certain people's voices were censored and stuff.
But I'm telling you, Pearl has the gloves off, guys.
Yeah, you made me a villain.
I just want you to know, MTR, Sarah, you guys, you guys, you guys made me a villain.
Yep.
You're on my shit list forever.
And this is only the beginning.
Trump has got to be in office for three more years.
So we have, what, three more years before you have to be worried again?
All right, guys.
I'm tired.
I got to go.
I think this is going to be a regular thing.
So, yeah, this is my villain arc.
Love you guys.
Thanks for watching.
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So if you want to go to the memberships on the YouTube, also, I honestly think they might kick me off any day now talking like this, but it really just, if I don't talk freely, it kind of impacts the quality of the show.
And I'm a little bit nervous.
I'm going to get kicked off again.
I don't know how long I'll be here.
I don't know if I'll survive another cancellation.
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