Jack Posobiec and hosts dissect the Tyler Robinson ballistics report confirming Charlie's murder, condemn Sabrina Carpenter's "Zaghrouta" incident as racially insensitive, and denounce "Doll Moms" for simulating pedophilia. They critique AI recreations of Val Kilmer versus ethical CGI use, warning that digital immortality stifles new entertainment while financial incentives drive disturbing online trends. Ultimately, the episode argues that ignoring cultural context and relying on synthetic content erodes societal norms and stunts creative evolution. [Automatically generated summary]
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Beyond Reasonable Doubt00:15:13
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Welcome once again to another fascinating, enlightening, elucidating, educating episode of Thought Crime.
It is Thought Crime Thursday, and we have gathered yet again in the sight of God and men to commit Thought Crime.
And we've got the assembled team before us.
However, there is an issue with one member of our team a dark violation of the only. Only rule that we have here on Thought Crime.
Oh, dang it.
Yes, it is Mr. Andrew yet again.
Nobody said anything.
Nobody said anything.
Yeah, because we thought you would realize it.
You know what?
We thought you cared, Andrew.
I care about being warm in this studio.
There are no, and for those listening, Andrew is yet again wearing a jacket.
I'm fine.
It's dealt with.
Unbelievable.
It's dealt with, all right?
Sounds like you're the one who has now been dealt with.
Fair enough.
Okay.
I hope none of you watching this or listening are wearing a jacket, by the way.
You all, this rule applies to all of you as well.
Yeah, you can't be wearing a jacket.
That's right.
You're not actually allowed to wear any of you in chat.
You're like a men's jacket.
You're not allowed to wear a jacket while listening to Thought Crime.
Yeah, if you're jacketed right now, take it off.
We're seeing you in the chat.
All right.
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Fine.
We're ready.
I'm in my NASCAR Monster Mile shirt.
I got this at the Dover NASCAR track, and I love it.
I thought it was a soccer jersey for a minute there.
No, I don't watch soccer.
I'm straight.
That's good.
Yeah, that's fair.
Yeah, nothing straighter than NASCAR right now.
Yeah, it was not recent.
Shall we get into it?
We got Adrian Colbert, we got Blake Neff, and the great producer, Rust.
What's up, guys?
Are we adding Tyler?
What's up with that?
Who knows?
Tyler's.
We do have a massive event tomorrow here in Phoenix.
Build the Red Wall.
Is something going on tomorrow?
Build the Red Wall is happening here in Phoenix.
47's making his way out.
Some class special guest or something that's coming into town to do an event?
What are you talking about?
Oh, look at this.
Donald J. Trump turns out the President of the United States is doing an event with Turning Point USA and TP Action tomorrow at Dream City Church.
And if you want to get involved, you can go to tpusa.comslash DJT.
It's going to be at noon local time, April 17th.
Wowzers.
This is amazing.
Andrew, what can you tell us about how this came together and what we should expect for tomorrow?
Well, the president is making his way out west.
He's in Vegas, and then he's coming down to Phoenix.
And we're building the red wall at Turning Point Action.
So it's a Turning Point Action event, mostly led by.
And it's, listen, he's going to make his case for economic stuff that he's doing, the president's doing.
You were there at the White House this week, Jack, when they were talking about the tax returns.
What's the number, actually?
It's something like 40% or something like that.
Oh, guys.
Because I totally remember the number from the press conference, the very important numbers that I did.
But no, I think it's like 11% higher than usual, was the number I saw that I remember correctly.
Like higher tax returns than average.
Yeah.
So exactly.
But it's also, I think 40% of filers are getting a record return or 45% or something.
So we're going to be talking about that, but we're also going to be talking 47%.
That would work.
45 or 47%.
That would be cool.
Yeah, I'm seeing that 11% number come in yet.
Like 11% higher refunds, just in terms of the dollar amount.
Right.
So, very, very good news there.
But yeah, there's a whole economic agenda.
I think this is going to be focusing on a lot of domestic policy.
I'm sure Iran will come up.
I'm sure some of these other things will come up.
But I mean, that's the goal.
Talk about the domestic wins, what he's doing for real Americans.
And we're building the red wall, turning point action.
So, I wish Tyler was here to talk about it.
But, you know, we've got a whole plan where we're going to be putting ballot chasers out in the ground in specific states Arizona, Nevada, New Hampshire.
Because if you win those states and you hold the Sun Belt, you basically make it pretty darn hard for a Democrat, nigh impossible, to win a national election.
So it's a good strategy.
We're putting it into effect.
So we're calling the event Build the Red Wall.
It's going to be good.
We're going to have.
Andy Biggs there, Wan Siskamani.
We're going to have some others.
So it's going to be a packed event, packed house, and we're looking forward to it.
Super duper cool.
So, one of the things though that came out, and it isn't so much of a thought crime, but okay, I think Taylor, excuse me, Tyler is going to fly in in a minute.
Sorry, I'm trying to read and talk at the same time.
I shouldn't do that.
And speaking of Tyler's, huge news.
I know we covered this on our individual shows, but just massive news in the Tyler Robinson case.
That the Ballistics report has come out.
And this is, you know, kind of a moment, I guess I would say, for all of us who have been following this and, you know, waiting to see this report, which was done all the way back on September 17th.
And, you know, we've made reference to it, we've talked about it, and now it is out.
Blake was, you know, standing right there, as we've talked about many times.
And this is, you know, obviously something that was, you know, very close to all of us.
And, you know, The fact that now we're starting to see because we're getting the reason this is coming out now is because we're getting closer and closer to the preliminary hearing for Tyler Robinson, which is it's kind of crazy that that hasn't even happened yet.
It's just, you know, compared to the way some people might be used to seeing things in movies or even just other states, Tyler Robinson hasn't even pled yet.
He hasn't even entered a plea of guilty or not guilty, just the way Utah system works.
And so here we are, seven months out.
It'll be eight months when the preliminary hearing takes place.
But that's why so many of these things are.
Are being unsealed now.
And yeah, I just kind of wanted to take a moment and recognize that this is out.
30 caliber bullet fragments were recovered in Charlie's autopsy.
And look, this is Charlie's show as much as it is all of ours in terms of thought crime.
And, you know, we want to see justice for what happened to our friend.
And there's no question about that.
And so, you know, we've always called for evidence to be released, and now it's coming.
You know, Andrew, you, you know, obviously have talked about this the most.
What, you know, what does it mean to you, I think, real quick, just, you know, real quick, that, you know, that we're actually seeing this report now?
Yeah.
I mean, I think back to the Daily Mail headline, talked about it on their daily show, and Blake was part of that.
But it was, you know, really annoying, actually, when that headline came out, because it was basically.
They have a good headline today, though.
They had a good headline today.
I will give that.
Charles Spearing, I think, was the.
The reporter on that one, he did an honest report.
So credit where it's due.
But yeah, I mean, they said that bullets don't match the gun or whatever, which was not at all what the ATF report said, but nobody had the ATF report.
So we had to sort of like surmise certain things.
And we had a ballistics expert, a former prosecutor, U.S. attorney, who's looked at hundreds of ATF reports.
And he told us at the time the dog that didn't bark in that defense motion was that the defense attorneys didn't mention the caliber of the round that was.
Used.
And he was like, I guarantee you, he's like, I'll put money on it that that's going to be a 30 cal.
And that's why the defense didn't even mention it.
So, fast forward to yesterday, we get the ATF report that's public.
The judge moves to make it public.
And they confirm yes, it is a 30 caliber weapon consistent with the Mauser rifle that was used or the suspected murder weapon, right?
The other thing they confirmed was that the spent shell casing also matches the gun.
So, while the bullet itself explodes into a number of pieces and it's Highly damaged, and you can't necessarily do forensics on it because it's too badly damaged.
The shell casing, which was spent from the one fired shot, does match the gun.
Not only that, the shell matches all the other unfired rounds as if they were from the same box, if you will, when they were made.
So there's a ton of evidence, not to mention the DNA evidence, not to mention some of the new evidence that was released via the affidavit, the handwritten letter.
Well, the way, just on this question of the fragmentation, the way that I kind of tried to explain to you on.
Uh, human events, I said it's kind of like getting a partial fingerprint.
You know, it's like saying that I've got, you know, a little bit of a fingerprint and it looks a whole lot like this other person's fingerprint, but because I don't have enough of the fingerprint, I can't conclusively say it's that finger.
That being said, obviously, this isn't the only uh piece of evidence in the case.
And uh, you know, logically speaking, and and you know, Blake, I'll just throw that to you real quick, and I don't want to beleaguere this too much, but you know, I think it makes sense for people to kind of go through the you know, the evidence so it's understood.
You know, just from a sense of logic, right?
You know, we can sort of surmise that, you know, through the process of elimination, right?
Regarding this situation, if there's one rifle and there's one spent round and there's one set of fragments found in the autopsy, you know, the probabilities just kind of stack up.
Yeah.
I mean, well, what really, all of the framing, as seen in the Daily Mail article, as an example, they always use framing in the most mendacious way possible.
Like every single test they're doing could very easily, if it was capable of doing so, debunk the possibility of Tyler Robinson being the shooter.
Would have been very easy to come back and say, round doesn't match.
Would have been very easy to produce, we can conclusively rule out this rifle.
We can conclusively rule out his DNA.
That could happen at every single step of this.
And instead, at best, they're getting, it's a possibility, it's 100% possible for this thing to be there.
And then sometimes we're just getting.
Outright matches.
We're getting very direct evidence.
We're getting these letters.
We're getting the engravings.
We're getting eyewitness stuff.
And of course, on top of this, something we shouldn't forget we have the fact that his parents literally turned him in.
And it's happening every step of the way.
And it's important to see this, but it's also important not to ignore what has been going on here, which really I think people who know that the evidence in this case is overwhelming are running with this sort of nonsense that the Daily Mail did to try to.
Introduce skepticism and doubt in order to like fuel crazy people because that's the only way that they could get an acquittal or really just a hung jury in this case.
They're trying to deliberately fuel cranks because they know that this person is guilty.
I think that they're playing the marketplace where they're like, ooh, there's a market for this conspiracy nonsense.
So let's write a headline that we know they're going to pick up.
And that's Daily Mail's job.
Like at the end of the day, that's all they're trying to be.
It's tabloid.
That's the thing.
But one, actually, the one thing I would like to say, I guess, about the original Daily Mail headline that we're all You're all talking around is that, you know, and and Blake, correct me if I'm wrong on this, but it's the way to look at it is the bullet does match the gun.
The bullet does.
Yes.
Yeah.
And what does that mean?
Because no, no, no.
The bullet fragments do match the gun, right?
What we're saying is they can't be definitively tied to that only that gun, right?
You can't exclude all the other guns, but it does include this gun.
So this actually does count.
In this gun.
We're not saying that it could have fired it.
I think that's an important distinction.
It's the only gun that could have fired it, but it is matched to the gun.
Yeah.
Well, because a lot of people say that, oh, it couldn't have been a 30 yacht six because that's too big of a round, the damage would have happened, there would have been an exit wound, whatever.
What this ATF report says is it was a 30 caliber round, which is a 30 yacht six.
Which is a class.
So it's matched to this class of gun, which includes this gun.
So it is matched.
It's just not matched to only this gun.
Get it?
Yeah, no, exactly.
And the other part that people need to understand is that there are different types of projectiles.
I've had to, you know, learn some of this stuff just in the aftermath, but, you know, there are full metal jackets.
You grew up hunting, right?
Yeah, I grew up hunting and all of that stuff, but, you know, I'm not like that.
When you're a kid, you know, dad kind of.
Yeah, exactly.
I'm not like, I'm in no way, shape, or form a ballistics expert or something like that.
We, you know, we bring them on the show because they have interesting things to say and they can add light to this.
But what I will say is there's different types of rounds, right?
There's full metal jackets.
That is designed to go straight through things, right?
There is hollow point, right?
And which is designed to disperse in the body.
It's supposed to be for hunting, you know, you kill an animal quicker, right?
And there's usually not.
It's an ethical kill.
Yeah, ethical kill.
So these are things that you kind of learn.
Other things that determine what happens when a bullet hits, in this case, a human body or bone or tissue or something, is, you know, the age of the bullet, the grain of the bullet.
These kind of things can determine a lot of different things.
So, Um, anyways, you know, the fact that the bullet, uh, you know, broke apart is very telling of what kind of bullet is probably a hollow point.
I don't, I don't know that any report has confirmed that or excluded that, but that would be the assumption.
I haven't seen that, yeah, I haven't seen that specifically stated, but this again, this is just a preliminary report, so you know, it's a big moment because this is the first time we've seen an official report, but this isn't even the full report yet, correct?
So, anyways, it was nice to at least have the judge, uh, release, agree to release this, and you know.
It's pretty.
I mean, what we had a guy named Jay Town on the show, and I've seen him on Twitter.
The Preliminary Report00:13:03
He's really good.
Yeah, he's very good.
And he basically had this comment.
I wish I could remember it.
Maybe you do, Blake.
But he was basically saying, okay, you only have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt in trials like this.
Okay.
He's like, but this, you combine all the different pieces together.
This is not just beyond a reasonable doubt.
This is beyond statistical probability models.
Like, this is, yeah.
That's what I was saying about probability.
Like, the probabilities are just stacking upon each other that, okay, and this person and this one, and he was in Orem, and, and, You know, you're just getting to the point where, you know, it's, it's, we had Tom Sauer on, my friend from, you know, EOD special operator served together.
And, you know, he was saying it's just, it's statistically impossible.
That's what he just, that's the way he put it.
It's like, it's just statistically impossible.
Because, so for Tom, what he would do in EOD and, you know, I was the Intel analyst and then later Intel director in the unit was, you know, once you find like bomb fragments, you know, so then we would have to track back, Okay, you know, who made this bomb?
Are there fingerprints?
Is there DNA?
Is there precursors?
Are there specific, you know, parts of it that we could tie to a specific group?
Or, like, you know, if it was a RFID, which is a radio frequency, you know, can we tie that to a specific type of Casio watch?
And who uses that watch is a big thing with terrorists.
And so, and on and on and on.
So it's similar work that he's done in the past.
And he was just saying, look, you know, when you get to this point, it's just statistically impossible to say that this wasn't what happened.
Yeah, I think that's my read on it.
And there's a gal named Andrea, what is it, Beckhardt?
Burkhardt.
Oh, yeah.
She's been excellent.
Just the best.
Yeah.
She's not like on one side or another.
She's just talking about the case.
No, and she's covered a lot of these trials and she's mocking a lot of commentators that have no understanding of the legal process, which I find enjoyable from my perspective.
So, yeah, she's been really good.
She was the one that actually I first saw reporting on this and it's since spread far and wide, which is good.
Russ, let me get you in on this because we haven't had you in yet before we move topics.
Yeah, I just think it's going to be interesting to see how this all plays out.
And it's going to be, I'm just glad that we're covering it as extensively as we are and just trying to bring it.
Oh, and actually, one real quick, Russ, you could comment maybe the one thing we haven't talked about is that tomorrow Tyler's back in court for the hearing on cameras.
Yeah, so how important is it you think that?
You know, that this thing is televised.
I think it's really important that it's televised.
I think transparency is ultimately key.
And the best way for things to be transparent is a live feed.
Yeah, there can be security issues with that kind of stuff, but I think I don't see that happening here.
And I think it's a good thing to have it on camera.
Think about all of the weird conspiracies that come out with other cases that.
Weren't televised or whatever.
So, yeah.
Yeah, we need this thing public.
Let it out in the open.
And let's get it out.
No, man.
It's good.
Need the cameras in there.
Get them on.
Turn the cameras on.
But sometimes, Russ, you mentioned live feeds.
Speaking of public, we're going to segue into our next segment here because sometimes when things are caught on live feed, you can catch actors and celebrities and singers.
Doing things that they might not normally say or do, and occasionally you catch their authentic reactions, isn't that right, Blake?
That's right, that is, and that's why we get to all enjoy the saga of Sabrina Carpenter versus the however you do that.
I can't do whatever strange chant these people do.
You do do that, you do that like all the time.
That was a good representation, no, Blake.
You've done that multiple times on air, and it's hilarious every time.
Well, whatever, anyways, gets me.
Anyway, so this happens.
Wait, what are you talking about?
What happened here with Sabrina Carpenter?
I'm told Sabrina Carpenter is a popular musician.
I don't listen to any music made after the year 1991, so I can't really say.
But I'm told she's a popular musician.
She was headlining at Coachella, which I am told is a popular concert.
It's a thing.
I don't go to concerts.
I also don't really go to California.
So I'm really not in the sweet spot for this story in the slightest.
But this person I'm told is popular went to this concert I'm told is popular, and she got in trouble.
Because one of her fans was making noise and she didn't like it, and that would normally be okay.
Well, we'll get into it.
Let's play clip number 10.
Is that what you're doing?
I don't like it.
That's your culture, is yodeling?
It's a call.
It's a call of celebration.
Is this Burning Man?
What's going on?
This is weird.
She actually said, I don't like it.
Yeah.
Oh, that's, I said, I don't like it.
So, you know, that's very telling.
Explain who that was in the audience.
So, who that was in the audience, she was apparently someone of maybe Middle Eastern extraction.
I'm not sure if we've identified the specific person yet, but Zagruda.
She was doing, yeah, it's called Zagruda, which is, I had no idea.
And she says it was her culture.
It's an expression of her culture to be really annoying at concerts.
And if you like, how's it go again?
Well, let's see.
Well, clip 15 will tell you exactly how it goes.
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to defer to the clip here.
Play it 15.
I don't like it either.
I only clipped eight seconds of that because I knew none of us wanted to listen to that any longer.
That is the most annoying thing in the world.
But, like, you know what's interesting about it is that the, you know, without having any filter, she was just like, I don't like it.
And I think that's like a really interesting part of this whole thing.
She wasn't trying to be bigoted.
She just was like, I don't like you making that noise.
But so, so right.
So now, you know, without even having to look, but I did look, but without even having to know, she has, of course, come out and apologized.
And I believe she said something along the lines of, like, I'm really sorry because I thought the person doing it was white.
No, she didn't say that.
But she probably did.
Seriously, it was something along the lines.
So she did issue this apology shortly after it happened.
And she said, My apologies.
I didn't see this person with my.
Actually, I should say, she was replying to someone.
She was replying to someone named Poppy who said, Sabrina saying she doesn't like a cultural Arabic cheer.
This is insensitive and Islamophobic.
I am very disappointed in her.
And then Sabrina responds to that.
My apologies.
I didn't see this person with my eyes.
So, you know, she couldn't see that she was part of, you know, a group that it's not okay to be a fan of.
That clearly means race.
That clearly means race.
Yeah.
And I couldn't hear clearly.
My reaction was pure confusion, sarcasm, and not ill intended.
I could have handled it better.
Now I know what a Zagruta is, unspoken, and I can hate it with every fiber of my being.
I welcome all cheers and yodels from here on out.
Yep, yodels.
Let's go around the corner.
Do you think she means race there?
Because I'm saying she thinks she means race.
When she says that, I couldn't see the person.
Yeah, I think she's inferring.
I couldn't see that it was.
It's definitely inferring.
If it had been.
I couldn't see that it was somebody that came from a different culture that could have.
If it had been like a white SEC sorority girl who did a kind of yodel type chat, we would have a new story that is, you know, yodel Karen or something like that.
That.
And she wouldn't have apologized.
No, it would have been popular.
They would have attacked the girl.
We would have gotten think pieces.
Sabrina Carpenter shuts down.
We would have gotten think pieces about like screaming while white at concerts and white people imposing their loudness on the dignified silence of other cultures.
Why white people need to shut up and sit down.
So, funny enough, so Sabrina Carpenter is from like not too far away from me in Pennsylvania.
She's also pretty close to where Taylor Swift is from.
And like, I swear, like, we're all from this like one corner of Southeast PA.
And Just a few miles down the road from Quakertown, PA, is of course Newtown, PA, where we got to find out recently that there is an ISIS cell that was like bombing Gracie Mansion in New York.
So it's like, I don't know, like 30 miles or something.
And it, so it's like, it may not be part of your culture, but it is coming soon to your town, Sabrina Carpenter.
It's coming soon very, very, very quickly.
And like that's, I don't know, there's just something about that tied myself and just the area is changing.
Right.
But, but I guess the thought crime here is like, I'm just going to come out and say it.
I'm on Sabrina Carpenter's side on this one.
I think it's weird.
I think it sounds odd.
I think it's off putting.
It's just not part of our culture.
And it's shrill, it's just shrill and sounds kind of nasty.
And I think it's totally fine for Sabrina Carpenter to have that reaction.
That was her honest reaction.
Okay, we have a great follow up to that then.
Now, I'm a little annoyed I have to play this because I've actually gone through this entire story and my entire life.
I don't actually know what genre of music Sabrina Carpenter plays.
I don't know a single song and I don't know anything, but apparently I'm about to learn it because this is a Sabrina Carpenter music video that I'm told will be very educational about the psychopathic one.
You're not going to play the pathic one, are you?
Number 12.
For those on audio, what Catholic church let her shoot this in there?
No, this was a whole thing where, like, the priest got in big trouble for giving approval to this.
And, like, you know, they kind of approached, like, through, you know, surreptitious means and, like, didn't explain what they were planning to do.
It's just.
Yeah, it's crazy.
Sacrilegious.
It's crazy that she goes through this whole issue.
She goes through this whole issue.
For yodeling.
Never apologize to the Catholic church.
She ain't never apologized.
So it says in the thing that it's a murder fantasy about killing men in a church.
I did see the.
Sort of kind of movie caskets in the background, but does it show anything else?
I don't know.
I have no idea.
I can honestly say I did not know.
I've never knowingly listened to a Sabrina Carpenter song.
Okay, it was Annunciation.
I've never heard something from that controversy that this church actually had to be reconsecrated after this.
Yeah, and the Monsignor got stripped of his duties at Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin Church in Williamsburg.
Ooh.
This one tweet, though, like, look at how these people react to this.
This is Kevin.
But it seems to be a female.
I don't know.
I'm in complete shock.
I used to be a huge Sabrina Carpenter fan, and now she's mocking my culture and calling me weird.
This is so racist and inappropriate, and it made me feel uncomfortable.
This white, blonde, racist woman should be canceled.
That sounds like a satire, maybe.
I'm not sure that's a real one.
I mean, I didn't put that in there.
But we know that that's how those people talk.
We know.
Yeah, well, yeah, even if it is satire, it's kind of funny.
But it does sound too on the note.
We have a bigger thing that we should hit though, which is if going, wait, no, but is a culture, is that just objectively a bad thing?
No, that's what I was going to say.
Is that it's weird and it's okay to think that it's weird because it's totally weird.
No, it's not weird.
I'm not saying it's weird.
I'm saying it's bad.
Yeah.
I think it's like sort of a reflection of the entire culture.
But we do weird and bad things too, to be perfectly clear.
But I just think it strikes a Western ear instantly.
I say, let's go.
As I don't like it.
She says, I don't like it.
And I think that's kind of on some sort of fundamental level what we're dealing with with a lot of the mass immigration stuff where it's just like a lot of Westerners kind of just go, we don't like it.
Quiet vs Loud Culture00:07:48
And that doesn't make me, I just like my own culture.
I like their culture if it's in their context.
That's all.
One of the most important cultural traits of the West that we are losing is our appreciation of.
Not being deafeningly loud at all times.
True.
As anyone can discover by riding up in public.
Especially being loud in public, it's, I'm sorry, that's just third world behavior.
That's absolute third world behavior.
The entire lack of respect for other people's personal space, for being loud, for being obtrusive and intrusive of others' personal space while you're in public.
It's just that's a total third worldism.
And I'm not saying there aren't Americans that don't do that, but I'm saying that the vast majority of people from the third world don't have any problem with this.
It reminds me of like, it reminds me of like getting on a bus in China.
And, you know, I, so I used to ride the bus to work in China and I, you know, would, would go on.
And when you're getting on, they don't do like lines, like, like the concept of getting on a line is very Western.
And in China, you get on, you get the doors open and then you just push.
It's like massive people.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And this could be like little old ladies or whoever, and they just will just start pushing you.
And I'm like, whoa, the first time it happened, I'm like, what are you doing?
Like, excuse me, I'm standing here, and I could say it in Chinese as well.
And I'm like, wow, wow, seriously.
And that's our culture.
And just be loud with it.
And then eventually, I learned you just got to kind of like, they push you and you just got to like fend them off.
Like, you just got to fend them off and get on the bus, or they will push you until you don't make it, you know?
Well, it's a very.
Well, that's just how they run their country.
It's an interesting social tech thing.
Like, if you go to, for example, I mean, actually, in the US, we're pretty good about when you get to a station on a train, for example, the people get off and then other people get on.
Yeah, exactly.
It's like that in Japan.
It's like that in South Korea when I went there.
And I've been to countries, I recall Egypt being this way.
And this element of social technology just didn't take.
And so it'll get there and it's just, okay.
Everyone runs into each other and just try to push past each other.
There's absolutely no upside to doing this whatsoever.
And it leads to people being unable to get on or it takes extra time.
But no, we're just not going to have people get off and then others get on.
That's really interesting.
I haven't appreciated that about our culture.
And I do appreciate it.
Well, I've got another thing for you to appreciate about our culture.
So we're talking about whether it's deafening or has appreciation for being quiet during the concert or during the movie, for instance.
This is a headline in the Atlantic in 2022, but it's always fun to go back to.
Why do rich people love quiet?
The sound of gentrification is silenced by Hoquito Gonzalez.
Not sure how to say that one, but it's all about how, you know, the sound of gentrification is not having it be deafening at all times.
Yeah, I feel like that headline's trying to make us feel bad about liking quiet things.
And I'm wondering what the is it just because this person is obviously has an affinity for her own louder culture that she's upset with white culture basically?
Is that what I'm to survive?
Yeah, basically.
I'm scanning through it because she's talking about her DEI enabled journey to an Ivy League college.
And she's experiencing culture shock there because she shows up and people don't want her making tons of noise all the time.
But actually, you guys should debate this because I want to read through this and find the best quote, and I'd forgotten from it.
One day when I accidentally sat down to study in the library's absolutely quiet room, Fellow students shhhh me into shame for putting on my disc man with our disc man.
I don't know how you ever say these things.
Her Walkman, basically.
With rare exceptions, like Saturday nights during Rush, silence blanketed the campus.
In the library?
Yes.
She was upset that she was told to not make loud noise in the library.
I soon realized that silence was more than the absence of noise, it was an aesthetic to be revered.
Yet it was an aesthetic at odds with who I was, who a lot of us were.
It's actually kind of funny.
I noticed this with, and I'm not going to say it like it's younger people, but speaker leaving their phone on speaker with no headphones, like walking around the house and like talking on speaker and then telling you, like, I was like with my old roommate, like, I would be literally in the living room watching TV and he's walking around the house with speaker.
And then all of a sudden it's like, hey man, can you turn the TV down?
I'm like, no, go to your bedroom or put your headphones in.
You're conveying my story to Dewey.
You can tell.
Reading between the lines, how incredibly annoying this woman must be.
Within a few weeks, the comfort I guess I'm not sure if this is a woman because I don't know what the gender of Hokkido is, but I assume it's a woman.
Within a few weeks, the comfort that I and many of my fellow minority students had felt during the early cacophonous days had been eroded, one chastisement at a time.
The passive aggressive signals to wind our gatherings down were replaced by point blank requests to make less noise, have less fun, do our living somewhere else, even though these rooms belong to us too.
A boisterous conversation would lead to a classmate knocking on the door with a please quiet down.
A laugh that went a bit too loud or long in a computer cluster would be met with an admonishment.
Yes, she's right.
You are sharing a common space.
That's why you should pipe down.
Yeah, that's why we call it common decency, common consideration.
That's really annoying.
I already think I probably don't like this person.
It took me years to understand that in demanding my friends and I quiet down, These students were implying that their comfort superseded our joy.
We are.
We are, in fact.
Yes, we are.
Yes, it does.
Do we think this has a correlation with ADD or ADHD?
What do you mean?
I think it correlates with whether you have an inner monologue.
I mean, well, fair, but like, I mean, Angela just threw in the chat, according to a 2024 survey, 1,000 Americans conducted, 38% of Americans rely on some sort of background noise or sound, like white noise fans.
Apps, rain, sounds, or music to fall asleep.
And so, but like, that wasn't around, you know, earlier, like, before we had phones or before, or like, before we had like phones that had music on them and all of that.
Like, I also think people just get used to what they get used to.
I don't think you have to ask, like, I don't know that I read too much into that study because, like, sometimes I like to fall asleep to like a show.
I just set the sleep timer.
Oh, you actually, he's a quarter Mexican.
I was gonna say, you actually set the sleep timer, you don't just fall asleep and actually leave it.
Yeah, no, I said, I'm gonna do it.
Tisk, tisk.
I do, I do, maybe one in four nights.
We got two, one every four nights, I fall asleep a quarter of the time.
25, one quarter episode at a time.
We got two comments from Zuzu, she's she's a warrior, she's here every week.
Pope Francis Heritage00:03:12
She said, first, she was ready to buy any one of Sabrina Carpenter's songs, but now she apologized.
So, no reason.
Don't worry.
There was probably never a reason to listen to a Sabrina Carpenter song.
Yeah.
Based on the 30 seconds of song that I did.
Why don't I have the chat open?
And she also asked, did the Pope ever make a comment about the Sabrina Carpenter video?
And I feel like he's commented on everything else, so he probably ought to, but I don't believe he did.
And I think that video, did that video come out under the previous Pope?
Yeah.
I think it did.
I don't guess that Pope's.
You know what came out before the previous?
You know what else came out during the previous Pope?
That would be Muslim on Christian violence.
That's true.
There is a lot of that.
That debuted a whole 1,400 years ago.
Yeah.
And it's been going strong ever since.
Sure has.
No, Pope Francis did not publicly comment on Sabrina Carpenter's music video.
No.
Did it come out before he was Pope?
No, it was Pope Francis.
I mean, Pope Francis.
I'm sure he did.
It came out right around the election, actually.
So around November 2024.
But, you know, by the way, all of those violent Muslims, you know what a lot of them were probably doing?
It is really annoying.
Why am I doing it?
I don't like it.
I do it.
I myself am doing it.
I don't like it.
Hit that comment.
I don't like it.
Wait, guys, is that possibly overtly something?
Overtly?
It might be.
It might be overtly pagan.
Probably is overtly pagan.
I think you need to get t shirts made.
It's definitely overtly sacrilege.
No, but the problem with wearing a t shirt, though, is that when you wear a t shirt with a slogan, You're associating yourself with the slogan.
So, if I wore a t shirt that said overtly pagan, then that would mean like you are pagan if you're wearing it, which means I could tell you to like.
So, you just need the shirt to say overtly.
That's all you needed to say.
Yeah.
Maybe that's your new like brand, Jack.
Overtly.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Just change it overtly Christian.
There you go.
Overtly Christian would be great.
Yeah.
Overtly Christian.
There you go.
Yeah.
Because if anybody reads the shirt, then they could.
Jack, is it true that you've considered legally changing your middle name to overtly?
Yeah.
Is it true?
The Romans?
I've considered, so I wasn't going to change my middle name because I'm the third.
And so, you know, I don't want to break the chain there.
But I did consider changing my confirmation name to Saint Overtly.
And unfortunately, we don't have a Saint Overtly yet.
So it's something I'm working on submitting to the Pope.
You know, I am just going to say you don't want to change it because you're a third, but I don't think there's any name police making sure that you're actually the third of anything.
Yeah.
You could even change your name to that.
That is Jack.
That's a North Mexican.
He's a Mexican.
My family, my heritage, and my son, by the way, because I ain't break it.
Yeah, you could name your son.
Wait a minute.
Jack O'Brien, the 10th.
Speaking of children and speaking of our progeny and our heritage, I feel a segue coming on here, folks.
There's a new trend.
Doll Horror Trends00:10:06
So we actually got, I think it was the first time that, so Tanya Tay, who's an avid Thought Crime fan, and for the record, she listens every single show of Thought Crime, which I don't think she's something she could say for.
Human Events Daily, but that's okay.
Because we do that show every single day.
But she loves this show.
She loves Thought Crime.
She's listening to every episode.
There's a lot of people that love Thought Crime, by the way.
I don't know what it is, but this show always like.
We saw that at Infest last year.
Yeah.
And that episode.
We have a lot of people that watch just this show, which is because you should watch it.
That was a Star Wars.
That was when I was just like, yeah, Star Wars is faking gay.
Next question.
And so Tiny Tay was listening to our.
Gosh, what was it last week?
The fake wedding, right?
We were doing the fake weddings.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
The 40 year old woman that was single.
Yeah, the 40 year old fake wedding or something.
It's like the birthday wedding to nobody.
So she told me something that she saw that that reminded her of.
That's actually, I'm going to say it.
I think this is even worse than that.
It's called Doll Moms.
Have you guys heard about this?
Now I have.
Doll Moms.
I only did because we heard of it.
Yeah, Blake had heard of it.
And then we started looking up some stuff.
Apparently, it's just that.
It's doll moms.
It's women in like their, I guess, some in their 20s, some in their 30s, maybe higher than that, where, yeah, they don't have kids.
So they have these dolls, which is like something they used to do in Home Eck, right?
Remember, they used to like make you bring the doll home and for like young girls, and then like you have to feed it and give it the bottle, et cetera, et cetera, to kind of like teach you how to have a baby.
Probably don't do that anymore.
And if they did, they'd probably make the guys do it too.
And, Now they do the same thing with like an interactive doll.
Let's play clip 18.
So, for those listening, this is a doll.
She's putting a diaper.
She woke the doll up when it cried.
She's putting a diaper on the doll.
And she's putting it on the onesie.
This is trippy.
Girlfriend, you need socks.
But you have to put a bow in your hair because everyone thinks you're a boy.
These are like really oddly lifelike dolls.
Like, that's actually kind of one of the weirdest parts of this.
What the heck is the problem?
What are those things made of?
Is that like a rubber?
Yeah, it's like a silicone.
It's, it's, it, I'm like, if you told me that was a real baby, I'd probably just say, okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
I mean, this is, this is the, this is like a horror movie.
This is, yeah, I was gonna say, isn't there a movie called Chucky?
Like, like, like, my goodness.
But it's not, it's not just Chucky though, because it's like, this is the heart, the, you know, the horror here is that these women are, Treating these dolls like they're real and the doll's not the whole world.
I have so many questions.
I don't know who knows the most about this topic, but is this woman like somebody that wanted to be a mom and has never been able to?
Is she infertile?
Is she unmarried?
And like, what's the backstory here?
What drove this thing?
No, I don't think so.
I don't, yeah.
It's just they're treating the dolls like they're real.
There's more children.
Yeah.
Clip 9.
We have another one.
Clip 19.
Is this a different lady?
Clip 20.
Clip 20 is the other one too with the morning routine.
Wake up, Pip.
Look at this.
Goodness.
Yeah, this is insane.
She's got, so, wait a minute.
She's got like four dolls in this one.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, she has like different ages.
Different age dolls.
That's real food she's giving the dolls.
Yep.
She's wasting food.
She's wasting whole room for them.
My goodness.
She was packing the school bag.
Brushing their teeth?
Two.
Brushing their teeth?
I love you, Mom.
They have words.
I think, I couldn't figure out with that clip if she was saying.
I love you, Mom.
Like in her own voice.
Okay.
I couldn't tell.
This is so crazy.
It's crazy.
This is horror film stuff.
I'm going to tell you something right now.
If you find a guy who has one of these things, just arrest him right away.
Because that's a pedo, man.
That's straight out of pedo.
Oh, they're posing with him to make it look like he's walking.
Yep.
They were like fake walking him.
Why would someone in the chat say, did they produce real poop?
I mean, if you want something scary.
The cat went away from it.
You see, the cat knew.
The cat was like, I don't want to be around this thing.
And then later in the clip, we had to cut it just for time's sake, but she like put them in like a bassinet and like went on a jog with like a baby stroller and everything.
Our team is saying this woman should not be trusted around real children.
This woman should also not be trusted around real children.
Throw up, throw up, throw up.
To be clear, by the way, we were taking clips from two different women and I'm reading more about these.
So, first of all, I'm getting more info on this.
The really realistic dolls, I guess they're made out of.
They must be made out of silicone, kind of, or maybe like ballistics gel, something like that.
Similar consistency weight to human flesh.
And then apparently they're called reborn dolls.
What the?
Which is specifically, they're trying to make them as lifelike as possible.
Okay.
So here's where I could have some grace on this.
It would still be weird and not something I would recommend.
But like, okay, if one of these ladies maybe had a child die, okay, like that's weird, but I would at least be like, not want to be cruel.
Like, this is like.
Well, I hear you on that.
But keep in mind, Andrew, they're not.
This isn't something that they're just doing for like emotional coping.
They're filming this and putting it on TikTok for collaboration.
For the specific person, it depends.
So some people do just buy them, although it would still bother me kind of in the same way that when people would propose creating an AI version of Charlie, for instance.
You shouldn't make an artificial version of a person.
So it might be understandable if that was the case.
But yeah, all of this, yeah, in this case, I think the second woman in particular, She does a bunch of these and she makes apparently $200,000 a year posting TikToks of herself with fake children.
Weird.
Now, at least she apparently has five adult children.
So maybe she just decided to keep being a mom once I was kids.
So maybe it's kind of like one of those empty nester things.
Like, because, and Jack, you probably, I mean, when your kids start growing up, it happens really fast and you're like, you know, this is, it's really fast.
Like, should you have another one or something?
But if you're past that point in your life where you can't have more kids, You may just want to keep the like youthful interactions going by dolls, I guess would be the psychology.
I make more money now than I've ever made, she told the New York Post uh, late last year.
More than my husband and I have ever made combined, and it's all through my doll videos.
Dang, man, the incentive structure of social media is like it's truly causing that actually you know that raises a worthwhile question because at that point, it's more people watch, like, okay, she's making, she's making money, she has an audience for this, so it seems.
More disturbing than they're saying.
This is about her.
This is about her.
Then that she does it.
I don't.
I'm sorry.
There's, you know, this is about, you know, it could even be, I'm not going to say it's sympathy farming, but, you know, it's clearly being done.
So some of it, honestly, could just be being done because she's making money.
There's huge payouts on TikTok and, you know, other.
Social media is like the Instagram, whatever.
So, you know, she could just be doing this for the money.
Like, I'm not.
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
Okay.
Russ.
Russ.
Like, who wants it?
Would you, if someone approached you, let's just say Elon Musk came in, he said, Russ, I'm a huge fan of yours, big fan.
I will pay you a million dollars a year to make that reborn doll content full time.
You wouldn't do it?
No.
What about $10 million a year?
Well, I mean, man.
That money going higher, man.
I don't know.
But here's the thing here's the thing.
You gotta eat.
You know what?
Pay off my mortgage.
You know, it sounds great.
Here's the thing, though.
With content like this, I don't.
Maybe it's just women, but when they post content like this, most people, if they think it's weird, just keep swiping.
It doesn't turn into a big like cultural point or anything, but then I would watch it.
I would watch it.
One dude starts posting about like Pokemon cards or or uh video games or an unhealthy obsession with movies, and all of a sudden it's a culture point.
So it's like, what's the where's the why's why is there a double standard on this?
Because it is weird.
It's like we need to be calling these people out for this memory for their mental illness.
I so I'm now I'm going deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole.
So right now.
I'm on the subreddit.
Pull Blake out and somebody pull her out.
There's a subreddit devoted to the type of doll.
I'm telling you, there's a baked in audience here that she's.
It's the subreddit Reborn Dolls.
It has almost 10,000 weekly visitors.
Oh, sweet Jesus.
And I will say, it looks here.
So, for example, this is a thread I found where they're reacting to hostile takes on this trend.
Emotional Support Rabbit Hole00:05:35
And one of them says, people are so cruel about reborns.
That's the type of doll again.
I think part of it is they say, they're calling them, why don't you have a real child then?
While actively ignoring, most of us effing can't, hence the dolls.
Rude.
So I think that's getting back.
A lot of these people, they are compensating for that.
Although they don't have a mental illness and can't get a partner.
This is very, very troubling.
It's insane.
My reborn not only helps ease the pain of not being able to have another child, she helps greatly with my anxiety.
I wish more people understood that.
Okay, here's another question.
Is this.
Healthier or less health?
Is this not even healthier or less healthy?
Is this better or worse than the people who have dumb emotional support animals?
So, like, emotional support snakes or something that they bring on dogs?
This is worse because it's trying to be something that it's not.
Whereas, if it's a snake, it's still a live animal.
So, there's like, there could be quote unquote therapeutic.
Look at this one.
So, I went to Reddit.
This is terrifying.
Hi, I am bringing home a sweet little boy this weekend.
He is made from vinyl, has a cloth body, and weighs four pounds, four ounces.
And my spouse and I are adopting him from a vetted artist from reborn.com.
And he is lovely.
She's a local artist, and she is the sweetest woman.
I told her our story grieving parents of many, among other physical health issues that left me extremely early onset premenopausal.
I'm not even 24 yet.
And she is letting us make a deposit on him and letting us pay the rest next week so I can have a baby love to hold because I'm going through it.
And it's bad.
So it is like, it's basically like emotional support.
I want to know what is the best way to keep him safe.
How to sleep at night.
How can I warm a bottle up when I plan to use cornstarch and lotion or water?
Do I have to mix it every time?
I'm going to warm my menstruation crustacean a bit to let him be not cold.
Is that going to hurt him?
Chat, help.
I want out.
I want out.
This is all wrong.
This is all wrong.
And I'm going to tell you something right now.
This is not how you get over something emotionally.
Yes.
Because you're not getting over it.
You're not actually dealing with it.
You are wallowing in the despair.
You're ignoring it.
I think it's great.
I think it's.
And you're not dealing with it and you're acting as if it didn't happen.
And it's imagine.
I hate to say this.
I really hate to say this, but I'm going to say it that imagine if you have other kids.
Right, real kids, and they see mom spending all this time with the doll.
What does that do to them?
What does that do to them?
There's a Dickens novel, I think it's Great Expectations, and where there's a woman, yeah, there's an older woman, and she was abandoned.
I think she was basically abandoned on the day of her wedding, and there's a twist basically where she's kept this room that's now covered in dust exactly as it was the day she was going to get married.
Like, she has the dress, and I think she even gets dressed.
Yeah, that's that's great expectations.
Oh, yeah, doesn't she even make Pip like dress up the way the man would have or something?
I can't remember all the details.
But same phenomenon that is attachment to something that is not real or not moving on beyond something, which that's an important part of life.
It's an important part of maturity.
And.
Oh, this is really giving me a little bit of a twist.
This is really crazy.
So, like, literally, somebody comes in and tries to give advice saying, hey, make sure you get it from the authentic site, not the inauthentic one.
There's apparently two different sites for sleeping at night.
Make sure his list is authentic.
None of them are authentic.
No, but apparently, one's a scam site, is what she's saying.
You get what I'm saying?
It's not authentic.
Of course.
The creepiest thing on this Reborn Dolls subreddit is they aren't saying my doll, they're repeatedly saying, like, my girl.
My baby, my first baby with yourself in the head.
No, look at this.
Look at this.
For sleeping at night, make sure his limbs are fully covered.
A sleeper with footies and fold over mitts or regular scratch mitts will do.
Also, put a hat on him.
Avoid dark colors and dark blankets and sheets as they will stain the vinyl.
She has transfer in common unless you take precautions.
Look, before we go to the next, you know, I need out of the matrix on this one topic here.
I'm just going to say it, right?
I'm just going to say it.
We talked about it at the top of the show.
You know, there's a guy who's supposed to be co hosting the show who's not here, you know, and all of us have experienced that loss directly.
And I'm gonna tell you right now like, you can't fall down that hole of trying to pretend like Charlie's still here in a physical sense, at least that he's still a part of everything.
Oh, and we could do that.
We could have made a Charlie Kirk AI and had it do a show every day based on whatever the.
News of the day was, and you know, Blake could have prompted the you know, something and written it up or whatever.
And we're not going to do that, we're just not going to do that.
Like, that would be completely wrong to Charlie's memory, and also it would be unhealthy.
It would be unhealthy for all of us to try to play along like that.
To it's you got to get over things, and don't get me wrong, like, there's always going to be a big part of me that never gets over that, that never like it's never going to leave you.
AI Generated Movies00:10:06
You know, it changes you.
It's grief or something like that, but you have to accept it because if you don't accept it, you are going to be living in anxiety and grief forever.
Yeah.
The only way through is through.
Yep.
Yeah.
Look at this, though.
There's so many comments on the side.
You're going through hell.
Keep going.
Here's a question to that point.
Now, like, what does that mean for AI and the use of movies, entertainment, and so forth?
Well, we have the story.
I'm trying, man.
We're segwaying so aggressively.
So aggressively.
I cheated.
I mean, I thought I cheated.
I caught it.
I caught on.
There's a new movie coming out.
It is called As Deep as the Grave.
And it is a movie that stars a person who has not been with us for over a year at this point.
It stars the late and AI de aged Val Kilner.
Val de aged him, too.
I believe so.
He definitely doesn't look like he did a shotgun.
Let's play the trailer.
He did a turn before he died.
21.
No, full AI.
Wait, wait.
So, this, what we're watching right now is AI Val Kilmer.
It's not being released botanically.
Some stories were too hidden to be found, is what it says.
We found this one.
Oh, wow.
Is that him?
Yeah, you'll see it.
That's literally hilarious.
They go, some stories are too hidden to be found.
Discover the untold story.
There he is.
Wow.
The dead and don't fear me.
That was Val Kilmer at the end.
That was the full AI frame.
Don't fear the dead and don't fear me.
I don't like it.
I don't like it.
Caboose is very anti AI.
No, I will say he had apparently agreed to do this movie back when they first began production in 2020 or so.
And then he was diagnosed with cancer.
So I think he had to pull out.
Yeah, as you can see, if you saw Top Gun, he had the cancer there.
They actually had AI generate his voice in that.
Didn't he get cancer like before that?
Because, anyways.
Well, yeah, I mean, he got cancer.
They were filming this movie in 2020 during COVID.
Hold on a sec.
And then he died in, yeah, a year ago, almost exactly.
And filming took place in New Mexico and Arizona.
After his death, Kilmer's likeness and voice were generated exclusively using generative AI, as he had not filmed any scenes at the time of his death.
So, this is a fully AI generated Val Kilmer.
And.
He's in the film.
Apparently, he plays.
It's even weird to read the cast.
It says, I'm reading the Wikipedia page for it.
Abigail Lorry as Anne X. Del Morris.
Tom Felton as Earl Morris.
AI generated likeness of Val Kilmer as Father Fintan.
It's barely based on the truth of the story.
Can we throw the shot up again, though?
Because I just want to explain this for the audio, the benefit.
Not the Top Gun, the actual AI one.
And I want to explain this for the audio only audience if you're listening on the podcast.
It looks exactly like him.
It doesn't look like AI at all.
There's no artifacts here.
You would have, if you hadn't, you know, known, you know, break the fourth wall, et cetera.
Like if you had never heard that Val Kilmer died, you would have no idea.
It looks exactly like Val Kilmer.
It is 100% perfect.
So I don't know at a glance, did they, how much AI is it like?
Did they do the green screen?
Like they had a different person play him?
Yeah, they're AIing in his voice and music.
I don't know.
I know, like when we were looking it up, it's like the whole film is normal.
It's just Val Kilmer that's being AI'd.
But it's kind of funny if you, when like watching the trailer, the trailer does look very AI.
Like it was one of those things, like the very front half, if we want to play it as just B roll, the very front half of that trailer looks very much like I had to do a double take because I was like, is this just an AI film?
So yeah.
Yeah, I had that thought.
I saw the new Mario movie last weekend because I was dumb.
And during the film, before the film, they played a trailer.
I guess they're making a He Man and the Masters of the Universe.
Yeah.
And I literally had to Google, and I was not the first person to search this because it auto completed.
Is the new He Man movie AI?
Because the trailer was so aggressively disorienting and kind of fast paced and bad.
It looked like an AI generated movie.
So there's a.
There's a difference that I'm not sure even has a distinction here because we're talking about CGI and CGI has been around for a long time.
And so, yeah, and CGI has started to look just more and more terrible as the years have gone by, too.
Well, not this.
This, I mean, that's why I'm saying is like the first, the start of this, and I don't know if they put it under like an AI or something.
I'm just talking about the actor.
I'm just talking about the actor.
No, this looks amazing.
You're right.
It looks amazing.
And that is, it is just a form of CGI.
So, AI generated is what I'm saying is it's just a form of a computer.
Computer generated image.
So it's not, and I'm just saying that it's not the first time that we've seen computer generated images in film.
It's probably just the most, you know, the stark, you know, example of this.
But Russ, wasn't they, didn't they do this with Princess Leia in one of the Disney Star Wars movies?
Yeah, she died.
Carrie Fisher died.
She died right away through The Last Jedi.
Yeah, because she died right after Trump got elected, and we had to go through that whole thing where they were like, nah, how can we face this without Carrie Fisher?
She, Was the one holding back the darkness?
I guess.
Some Trump had her get mode.
Don't we remember how Carrie Fisher is this moral leader in our society and not a person who just died prematurely because she did lots of drugs?
Which I think, if I remember correctly, from Last Jedi, specifically that scene where she's like force pulling herself out of space is a weirdest thing.
Isn't she in Rogue One as well, though?
Yes, but that is absolutely CGI.
Like, that is CGI.
That's what I'm saying.
But it's not, but Star Wars didn't use Star Wars only use CGI.
They didn't use, they weren't using AI the way that I think.
I don't, I don't, so what?
Like that doesn't, that doesn't make much of a difference.
The whole idea is I argue that's not making a difference.
It's just a different tool.
But the real question here is okay, Val Kilmer passed away.
We know that Val Kilmer intended to perform in this film.
They, you know, I think we can infer that they would have used the de aging on him because it's like a movie that takes place in two timelines.
So, you know, what do we think about?
I'd love to throw this to the chat.
Do you know what do you think about that?
I'm gonna say right now, I don't have as much of a problem with it as I thought I would.
I think it looks cool.
Well, it helps that he wanted to be a part of the film, that he was already cast in it, and his daughter's blessing it and said that Val Kilmer was always into emerging technology and thought the story was really important.
Let me throw another variable in this Bruce Willis.
I mean, they got a lot of content of that guy, too.
So, Blake, are you familiar with the status of Bruce Willis?
I know he is Bruce Willis.
Yeah, Bruce Willis is still alive, but he had to leave public because he's alive.
He has like a degenerative mental condition.
And so he can't make movies anymore.
And yet his family's, you know, taking good care of him, et cetera.
But, you know, he can't do any films.
But what if you made another diehard with like a completely healthy Bruce Willis that was made using this process?
I mean, it's one thing if Bruce Willis sort of, I don't know if he's cognizant.
Is he, is he, is he, I don't think he is, not based off of what I think he's gone.
I think he's gone, gone.
Yeah, he's kind of gone.
I think that in that sense, he does, if maybe he's made some decisions, but when he was of sound mind to say that you can do this and his family could follow through that.
But I think that's the linchpin here for me, the not feeling.
I think he did actually, now that I think about it.
I mean, so we started.
He did in 2021.
Sorry, he did actually.
In 2021, Bruce Willis worked with AI firm Deep Cake to create a digital twin for a commercial and used images to superimpose his likeness.
And, you know, it.
So he did it for a commercial before he, you know, it's aphasia is what he has.
And this was before he had.
Succumbed to it.
And so there haven't been any agreements beyond that commercial, but he did agree to it for one commercial at least.
Here's what I'm going to say on the using deepfake AI or CGI for actors.
If it is purely AI, I think it takes away some of the specialness of creativity and art.
Yeah, of course.
Recasting James Bond00:08:58
And so, in my.
I still would rather an actor be recast.
A perfect example The Hunt for Gollum, they just announced that they're recasting Vigo Mortensen as Aragorn with a younger actor.
I would still rather give.
Amen.
Give a.
I would still rather give an actor an opportunity to act rather than just being like, hey, we're going to have die hard, die hardest with AI's, you know, Bruce Willett.
Die yet harder still.
Die in the matrix.
I'm torn on this.
No, I'm so torn on this.
Pause.
Because, like, I get, Russ, I get what you're saying.
Because if, like, if you freeze all of society, actually, if I remember correctly, there was a, um, Like, I don't know if you remember, there was a Star Wars EU novel about this where, like, everyone on the planet was a clone.
They decided to freeze their society at one point in time, and then everyone was a clone of someone who had been born in that generation.
So I'd be meeting, like, Blake 82, and, like, you'd be talking to Jack 51.
Okay.
You know, and you just, like, added the number at the end.
I don't know that one.
That sounds almost like a Star Trek episode, but I want to say it was Star Wars.
I could be wrong.
I thought it was a Star Wars EU episode or EU novel.
Could be.
And the problem with the society was, like, as much as they loved their people, right?
It was that.
To Russ's point, it was frozen.
It was like frozen in time.
And so there was no innovation.
There was no continuation.
There was no personal growth.
There was no striving.
It was like this worship of everything needs to be the same all the time.
And that's a problem too.
I think there's also a biblical aspect to it as well, is that God created the heavens and the earth in seven days, He created everything.
And then He gave us as humanity the drive to create.
And so, then if we're just leaving it up to computer generation, there's no creation.
And to your point, life gets stagnant, society gets stagnant, and then we don't continue to grow.
Yeah, you know, like the thing is, to your point, when I look at that trailer with Val Kilmer, just like knowing it's not actually him does take something out of it for me.
It really does.
But what if you didn't know?
Yeah.
I mean, but then that's just deception, to be fair.
It's kind of an interesting thing.
I'm not talking about from them.
I'm talking about what if you didn't know, and what if.
Just, you're watching TV and you know, this comes on, and you see the trailer, and you're like, Oh, cool, Val Kilmer movie, you know?
Yeah, but it's kind of, yeah, to I'm thinking of so many weird ways this could go.
Like, for example, what if everyone decided, you know, there's too much dispute, they keep trying to make James Bond a woman or a black guy or whatever.
What if the studio said, Guys, we are cutting the Gordian knot, the next James Bond film stars Sean Connery, as he was.
1965.
1965, Sean Connery is the star of this movie.
And we just get a that version of James Bond.
I didn't realize I was this anti.
I'm now getting to a point where I'm anti.
We starting us starting to use CGI to de age people in movies like Guardians of the Galaxy when they brought Russell Crowe, not Russell Crowe, Kurt Russell, and brought him back as like his old self.
I.
And this is just happening live, but like, yeah, I'm to the point where I'm just like, nah, I actually, can we rewind?
I don't want to do that anymore.
I just want to.
There's so many ways I could see this.
It's often pointed out we never get new action heroes.
That's why all of our action stars are 75 years old.
Who's the youngest action star we have?
Jason Statham, and he's 50 or something?
Yeah.
Yeah, they're never all the older.
Arnold's really old.
What if they were said, okay, we're just going to bring back the golden age of action movies and we're just going to have AI Arnold Schwarzenegger maximally jacked and he's going to make new.
I mean, it's going to happen.
But okay, we did that with one of the Terminators.
They already did that in one of the Terminators, the one with Christian Bale.
Oh, yes.
They brought that to the younger.
This is awesome.
Russ getting the two famous Russells confused is gold.
Yeah.
I mean, yes.
It's all the Russes.
No, but like, that's to the point.
So I think, look, we're entering a new era.
I do think there needs to be rules of the road.
I don't think that it should be done without the family's consent.
For sure.
I think that that should 100% always be a choice here.
I'm just saying, like, I would watch that movie.
I think it's cool.
Is it more defensible if it's similar to this, where an actor was going to make the film?
And they die partway or just before production begins.
Like, let's say, let's say, I think it's definitely more like, let's say, The Dark Knight, Heath Ledger died right after they'd finished filming.
Let's say they were 60% finished filming.
Would it be better to film those scenes with a stand in person or recast the role or AI that stuff?
I really think AI at that point is pretty defensible for most people, you know?
Yeah.
Because you have a script, he agreed to the script, he was doing the script.
You know what I mean?
It's just.
Okay, I'm going to make it harder for you.
Now, let's say we're making the Lord of the Rings movies again.
You'd have to get the familial.
Or let's say Harry Potter.
Let's say they made the first Harry Potter movie.
They already made it again.
Yeah, I know, they're making it again.
And then the kid who plays Harry in the first movie dies in an accident.
Can you AI that kid for the rest of the Harry Potter movies?
Not for the rest of them.
I wouldn't say that.
The rest of you could probably find a lookalike.
You just have to get somebody new and everybody would understand.
But here's what's going to happen.
Can I hot take here?
When you just mentioned James Bond, that's what I wanted to actually respond to because hot take, what we're going to get is like choose your own movies.
So we're going to get to the point now where movies are going to come out and then like you at home, the same way that you'd like make a character in a video game, you're going to be able to say, you know, if you're BLM, like I want the BLM James Bond, which I actually wouldn't have a problem with it yourself as James Bond.
I think you'd be a good one.
And I also just think that they should just change it so that they establish the fan theory that James Bond is a code name, just like 007 is a code name, so that each James Bond, who gets to be in the poll, takes the name.
I reject this version of Bond.
No, no, just like James Bond.
Bond is a person and he has a background.
No, they change the background in different films.
You don't know what you're talking about.
No, no, they shouldn't do that.
No, James Bond, he is a decayed British aristocracy.
He is a Scots guy.
We're not doing any of this nonsense.
Nope.
Bring it back.
We're bringing it back.
We should.
James Bond is one guy with a canonical character.
He's not just any random guy with this code word.
But there isn't even one guy.
I reject the rights.
They've already broken the rights.
You get to have fun over the movies.
The next Bond movie should just be 100% a period piece.
We should just move back to the non-Cold War.
Post-Cold War James Bond was a mistake, other than Goldeneye was okay.
But other than that, we should just keep Bond in the Cold War.
Just keep Bond with his actual character biography that makes sense.
Otherwise, you might as well just say James Bond is this incredibly thin thing where.
It's already been proven to be completely not the case.
They have recast Bond time and time again.
But they always kept him the same.
Like, he looked basically the same.
Are you talking about Beatrice Elba or whatever?
Yeah, they're trying to think, oh, let's make black Bond.
I love black.
Immigrant Bond.
We're going to get Jamaican Bond.
Beatrice Elba.
He's a great actor.
It's just James Bond.
But he's not.
James Bond is a white Scottish guy who has a background.
And you can't just blow that up and say James Bond is any British spy.
And, like, I don't think people would tolerate that with other characters.
Like, we don't really make Batman movies where we say, oh, Batman is any person who happens to find the bat cave.
And they can have lots of super different.
You can tweak it on the margins, but it's always going to be Bruce Wayne who has these canonical character beats.
And if you subvert those, it's very willful and you're doing a special spin on the character or something.
This is why I was so interested in the idea.
Of recasting Indiana Jones as Chris Pratt back in the day before they did Dial of Destiny.
Instead of like moving on from Harrison Ford, but just keeping it as Indiana Jones, the same guy.
He already did the Jurassic Park series, and he was great.
But to that point, I think that's the best.
Indiana Jones in the Jurassic World series.
Oh, obviously.
Duh.
Zuzu's back.
The Indiana Jones Problem00:04:03
She says, The movie Terminator answered this question AI will kill us all.
No AI only movies.
What if that is the way they did it?
Like they ordered, like you told the AI, AI make.
A do do a movie and it's gonna have Clint Eastwood and Charlton Heston at the peak of their powers as AI and just do it however you need to do it.
And the AI realizes that it can never recreate that perfection and so it just nukes the planet.
But it also gets back to the doesn't it also get back to the idea that like we just can't create anything new that's good?
Like, it essentially we doom our society, we literally are just like we're writing off all.
Entertainment as well, it's just going to be faking gay.
We can I point something out about that?
Yeah, is that like so?
When I first had kids, I remember we were like, you know, just walking through the store and we went to like the video game aisle.
I was looking at like, okay, what games do they have for kids?
And I was looking, I was like, okay, they have Sonic, they have Mario, they have like Ninja Turtles, they have Pokemon.
And I was like, okay, well, where are like the new games?
Like, those are all games like when I was a kid.
So, where are the new characters and the new games?
And they don't exist.
Because there aren't any, yeah, yeah.
I mean, that's why I mean, that's why we live in an era of Hollywood that's all um reboots and prequels and sequels and no actually new, no actual new IP IPs, and that's and that's a problem.
That's yeah, it's a big problem.
It's a big problem.
They're like, oh, yeah, oh, and the next Star Wars, here's your next Star Wars.
I'm like, what do you mean?
Like, but where's the next, like, the next thing?
Like, Star Wars is super old.
The biggest problem is that Caboose is never going to leave.
His living room because he has physical media and nothing new is any is at all good enough that he's never going to leave his living room, he's just going to keep rewatching all of the old films.
He was literally watching Lord of the Rings in the studio the other day, that was really special.
I was like, Why am I hearing the Shire theme right now?
And yes, I was hearing the Shire kids don't even know what physical media is, that's what's so funny.
Yeah, so for the sake of physical media and Caboose leaving his living room, what is other than books, we need to figure it out.
Physical media is.
Like Andrew, do your kids know what physical media is?
No.
Yeah.
Like, there's no, it just doesn't exist.
No, I don't think so.
But, guys, that's what I'm saying.
Like, the next generation doesn't even have any relationship with physical media other than books.
But when you give your kids a book, do they, do they like freak out and they're like, how do I, no, not books.
Well, other than books, they also won't have the attention span to watch the movies because they're used to watching clips of a movie on TikTok.
Well, I watched the Swiss Family Robinson with them.
Oh, such a good movie.
They loved it.
Such a good movie.
Like the original.
Yeah.
The original.
Yeah.
So good.
Which was a Disney movie.
You know, when they get on the beach and they all, like, the father's, like, ready to go get to work.
And she goes, Not yet.
You know, it's first.
And they get down and they pray.
Yeah.
I'm like, Man, Disney.
That was the movie that got me interested in Ennio Jones and got me interested in those type of films.
Wow, Andrew.
So you mean that when they put overtly Christian things into movies, it's actually cool?
It's amazing.
The whole movie.
Okay, hold on.
The whole movie of Swiss Family Robinson is not overtly Christian.
It is.
It is the elements of Christianity, it's not overtly pagan, but it's not overtly pagan, they're not overtly pagan, exactly.
I like it.
I like it.
I love the sound effect, like a little situation.
Mentions is the overtly Christian element.
Just saying that's what I like.
I feel my resolve weakening.
I think I'm a slightly less AI than most people.
Michael Jackson Biopic00:06:49
Like, there's films that were that should have been made with specific actors that just never got thank you, yes.
Yeah, so for example, one that I've always thought about, we were supposed to get.
I don't know if anyone else has read this.
Have you ever read A Confederacy of Dunces?
Great novel.
They were supposed to make a movie out of A Confederacy of Dunces, which is this comedy novel.
I can't remember the name of the author, but comedy novel set in New Orleans by this weird, shut in Catholic guy who I've been compared to occasionally, but he's way fatter than me, named Ignatius Riley.
And they were supposed to make a film adaptation of it with John Candy.
And that.
Would have been amazing.
He would have been the perfect person for this role, but it was cursed and never made.
And he died, unfortunately, in his 40s.
We can rebuild him.
I've always said that it's an absolute crime that we didn't get the chance to see Philip Seymour Hoffman play Steve Bannon.
Yeah, or a really bad one.
Just in general, losing Philip Seymour Hoffman.
A really bad one.
A really bad one.
Mission Impossible.
He lost Chris Farley before he could play.
Uh, that the Ford guy, the guy was the mayor of Toronto, the guy who had plenty to eat at home.
Can't you just imagine Chris Farley or just doing the SNL skit?
Yeah, yeah, just you know, which you know, which one I never talked about, speaking of SNL, was Belushi.
That Belushi was originally going to be in Ghostbusters, and I feel like having Belushi there would have totally just totally changed the vibe of that film.
Yeah, I actually watched, didn't I tell you I watched that for the first time?
And like, I don't know, since I was a little kid, would he have been Bill Murray's character?
I think it would have been Vankman, yeah, which like it just.
I don't, I'm like, I don't like it.
Nothing?
Sleep at the wheel.
Sleep at the button.
There it is.
I think that means it's time to wrap, actually.
They're falling.
By the way, before we wrap, I do want to say I want to throw in the chat that I thought that if you have children and are enjoying a good kids' movie, that my kids loved Super Mario Galaxy and thought it was great.
The new one, huh?
We saw it at the drive in.
Yeah, I think my kids went, that movie was really bad.
My wife said it wasn't as good as it was.
Again, like, like, like you're.
Like, it's not meant to be dissected as high art.
Yeah, true.
It is literally a movie for five year olds.
And I went to it.
I'm not making this up.
I went to it because about once every two years, I decide to go play poker at Gila River.
And then I play until I get some like bad beat and lose my starting amount of money.
And I'm not a gambler.
So then I just walk away.
So that is literally what happened.
I was like, I'm annoyed.
I lost on a bad beat on the river.
I'm going to go watch the dumb Mario movie for some dumb fun.
And I was about 10 minutes in and I just realized, What have I done?
This is going to be terrible.
And it was.
Yeah.
I just sat there.
If you don't have kids clapping and cheering, I don't know.
I think the new Michael Jackson movie looks good, Michael, which, by the way, you know, what's really cool about the new Michael Jackson movie is it's not AI or CGI.
They got his nephew.
That's remarkable.
I just like that they didn't bring up any of his sexual stuff, huh?
Right.
I read something about this.
Well, that's good because I don't think he did anything wrong.
I don't think he did anything wrong.
So I do want to be.
Clear that we are in Thought Crime and we are not accusing him of anything because none of that's been sustained.
And Thought Crime, I don't think Michael did it.
No, I think he's innocent.
I think, you know, but it's like the people who've been closest to him.
I think, I honestly think actually the argument of what's his name, Dave Chappelle, is actually one of the most compelling ones, which is he spent a bunch of time with Macaulay Culkin when Macaulay Culkin was the most famous child in the world.
And like Macaulay Culkin, for example, has always said, Michael Jackson never did anything wrong.
I never saw anything wrong.
Like, there's anyone who didn't have a direct incentive, like a monetary incentive, to go after Michael Jackson has always insisted nothing wrong ever happened.
It is kind of weird, though, that he hung out with Michael Jackson.
It's weird.
He was weird.
Didn't Jim McCulloch testify, like, under oath that Michael Jackson did nothing?
Well, but they didn't even bring up any of the allegations in the film or something.
They shouldn't.
They shouldn't.
I think it's that clear on him.
That's the only reason I heard about the film.
No, because it's early.
It's like the early part of his career.
Okay.
All right.
I think it's like the early part of his career.
Am I frozen?
No, you're there.
My Wi Fi hiccup there.
You're good.
Yeah, I don't really like those types of movies other than Elvis.
Really loved Elvis.
The other ones that they did kind of like that the biopic was the.
Biopic?
No, biopic.
Biopic.
Biopic.
Because it's a biography and depiction.
Did you say biopic?
I did.
I think you've done that before, too.
I've done that before.
Thanks for correcting me the last time.
I've got to save myself by getting a fool of myself.
No, the biopic.
The biopic the last time.
But I was like, he didn't say it.
Bohemian Rhapsody they did.
Bohemian Rhaps.
That's what I'm seeing.
Oh, that one was.
Really bad.
That's what I heard.
They gave it like a cinematography award and it's jarringly bad.
Like the cuts are really strange.
Hot take Project Hail Mary is a little bit overrated.
Overhyped.
It's actually making money though because it's not being.
It's an original movie.
I'm not going to harsh it too much.
Yeah.
Amen.
I'm not saying I didn't like it.
I liked it, but, and I read the book.
I liked the book.
So we did like a double feature.
We did Mario Galaxy and then Project Hail Mary was the next one.
So I saw the big screen, saw the giant theater.
I thought it was good.
I thought it was a solid movie.
I like sci fi.
I give it like a B because it just wasn't that original.
You say it's an original film, but it's very derivative.
It's very, it's like Interstellar plus the other one.
Isn't it supposed to be a child?
Just like the Mars.
Wasn't that the Mars film?
No, it's like an adult novel.
What's the Mars film?
The Martian.
The Martian.
Yeah, with Matt.
Same author.
Yeah, same author.
Okay.
All right, let's wrap it up.
But they did this horrible movie or horrible book in the middle, like really, really bad.
We have, yeah, we are over time, but this was fun.
Especially, I'm disturbed.
I'm really disturbed actually because of the doll thing still.
But the doll mom thing, I shouldn't have gone on the sub.
I that, yeah, that was all you, dude.
Well, I Blake started doing, I was like, oh shoot, maybe no, thank Tom for blaming me.
Everyone's a critic.
I gotta say, the Val Kilmer, I'm gonna see that Val Kilmer movie.
I'm gonna see it, you know.
I think it looks good, doesn't bother me.
Foz says, never go on the subreddits.
All right, Jack, you want to take us home?
Ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out there and commit more thought crime.