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Nov. 27, 2025 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec

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The Twisted World of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs

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	Authorities identified the suspected gunman in Wednesday's fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk as 22-year-old Tyler Robinson of Utah.
	Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.
	And I wanted to take a little bit of time to do a special deep dive and a deep dive special on who was the accused assassin of Charlie Kirk, Tyler Robinson.
	And there's been a lot of questions about this.
	There's been a lot of theories about this.
	But then one day, a couple of weeks ago, something very interesting happened.
	A YouTuber by the name of Turkey Tom, who is known for his videos on commentary, his videos on e-drama, his videos on games, put out a very interesting video.
	Now, he had done a video about Tyler Robinson right after he was arrested for Charlie Kirk's murder.
	But then he put out another video.
	And he said that in response to the first video, someone had reached out to him.
	Someone who was a friend and sometime even roommate of both Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs.
	The boyfriend, trans lover of Tyler Robinson.
	And so after that person reached out, this leaker, this whistleblower reached out, he then began to provide a story, a sorted tale of what really went on between those two, this toxic relationship, dabbling in not only leftism and trans ideology, the furry subculture,
	but really deep and deranged behavior, hard drugs, schizophrenia, and an interesting obsession with chat GPT.
	And in fact, even the use of black market HRT, hormone replacement therapy, TroonShine.
	And so when you dig through these leaks, and there are photos, by the way, internal photos of the apartment that only could have been obtained by someone who was actually in there.
	There are messages from the Discord channel that were screenshotted and leaked out that again, only could have been obtained if someone was actually in there.
	And I'll say this is a reported leaker, but it all rings very, very true.
	And the points of corroboration on these leaks from the photos have been lined up with the home of where Lance and Tyler Robinson lived at the time.
	They've also been corroborated with some of the other online activity.
	Some of the photos and the video games and accounts that were used line up as well.
	And so we'll say we'll take this as a reported leaker and we'll leave it at that, but it does beg some understanding and I think some scrutiny of what actually was going on in this nest.
	What was really going on in this relationship?
	Who was the driving force in this relationship?
	Who was the one who had the true mental issues?
	Was it Lance Twiggs?
	What role did he play, if any, in all of this?
	And how did all of this affect Tyler Robinson?
	And how did it get him to the point where authorities allege he climbed the roof of the Low See building, Utah Valley University with his grandfather's Mauser and fired a shot down into an amphitheater, a shot that struck and killed our friend Charlie Kirk.
	What's the backstory?
	How did this happen?
	Why did this happen?
	What was the motivation?
	These leaks that have come out, these reported leaks, paint a possible answer and a very dark picture.
	So we are going to dig into the twisted world of Tyler Robinson today.
	Liz Wheeler is joining us around the bend.
	We'll be right back, Human Events Daily, Real Market Voice.
	On September 10th, 2025, the roommate received a text message from Robinson, which said, Drop what you're doing.
	Look under my keyboard.
	The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note that stated, quote, I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I'm going to take it.
	All right, Jack Percevic, we're back live here, Human Events Daily.
	And of course, as we're talking about all of this, I'd be remiss if I didn't bring on someone who's been doing so much yeoman's work on it herself.
	It is my friend, Liz Wheeler, host of the Liz Wheeler Show.
	Welcome to HUD Events Daly.
	Hi, Jack.
	Thanks for having me.
	So just on a, you know, the story behind the story perspective, how was it that the Turkey Tom leaks first crossed your radar?
	Yeah, this is a very interesting story and one that I'm surprised.
	I think you probably feel the same way.
	Hasn't gotten more traction than it has.
	I did not see these leaks, this insider, this individual who was friends with Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs.
	He says that he spent six years playing magic cards and video games, going over to Lance Twigs and Tyler Robinson's apartment.
	He is able to paint a pretty intimate portrait into who Tyler Robinson is, who Lance Twiggs is, what their relationship was like, what their sexual relationship was like, what the state of their apartment was like, what the state of their mental health was like,
	giving us a lot of context into how these individuals or how Tyler Robinson specifically, how he was radicalized, how he might have gotten to the point that he would be motivated to commit the crime that he is accused of committing.
	And Jack, to be honest, I didn't see this report until about two or three days after it was published.
	And I think that I was still one of the first to see it, even though it was a couple of days after it had been published.
	Someone sent it to me and said, hey, have you seen this?
	And I looked into it and I looked into verifying these reports because you don't believe everything you see in here on the internet.
	And the proof that this individual provided, you know, photos of inside the apartment, photos of Lance Twiggs's really demented artwork, photos of this nest of just junk and garbage and trash that he created in the living room.
	And then insider accounts of verifiable background details.
	That's, I mean, it is the story that you hear with a lot of these things.
	Someone says, hey, what do you think of this?
	And it leads you down this investigative path to, as you said in your intro, I think a lot of answers that we've been looking for.
	You know, I think that's right.
	And, you know, I think it does also speak, you know, and we could, you know, grouse about it, but how there's sort of like different, you know, there's different silos of information these days.
	And with the decentralization of information, you know, even those of us who work in media, you know, if we're not watching YouTube all the time or watching, you know, different pockets, you know, we may miss something where this, by the time I had seen it, it already had something like 800,000 views.
	But then before I saw your episode and some people, you know, reaching out about it, it hadn't crossed over into conservative media at all or news media because it was sort of in the YouTuber community.
	And I just think it's kind of interesting that it worked that way.
	What did you make of, and, and, and I've seen some people that have gone in and worked on corroborative efforts to say, okay, you know, they pulled up the, you know, apartment when it had its listing, I think on Zillow or Redfin and said that matches some of the pictures that came out.
	Obviously, one very disgusting and sexually charged picture that came out from the bathroom that's featured in the video, as well as some of the video games.
	There's different things in the sketches that match up with what we know about his online history.
	What did you make of the corroboration of it?
	Because to me, it's just, it rings very true.
	Yeah, I think it's, it's always difficult when you don't have 100% of the evidence in front of you, right?
	I always say in politics and on my show, no matter how much I like someone or trust someone, it doesn't matter.
	It's not personal.
	It's professional.
	I don't want to take anybody's word for it.
	I want you to show me your work and show me the evidence.
	And so there's always a part of me when there's a report like this that, and I often do this, by the way, I'm fortunate enough now that I've been in this business for such a long time.
	I oftentimes, if this is a report by someone that I know, I call them and I say, hey, can you tell me exactly how you verified this?
	And they show me the behind the scenes, how they put this together.
	Even the parts that they haven't reported on.
	And I actually do get to see the evidence so I can have confidence talking about whatever they reported publicly.
	But as you mentioned, there are silos on the internet.
	The Turkey Tom is not a political commentator.
	He's not in conservative politics.
	He's sort of in this niche, chronically online YouTube bro world that I'm definitely not in as an individual.
	And there wasn't a lot of crossover until a couple weeks ago.
	I think when we reported on it, that it sort of began that crossover into politics.
	So all that being said, I think that the photographs that were provided did a lot for me because that would be pretty easily disproven if those were faked in some way.
	But if you have a photograph inside an apartment that matches the layout of the apartment that Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs resided in, if you also provided a series of text messages and communications to verify your relationship with that person so you can have so that those listening to your account can have confidence that you're not just some random person making up a story.
	That's a pretty good start for substantiating evidence.
	I, of course, wish that this person would go public, would reveal his name and actually just say, like, yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to tell you and show you this stuff.
	But I also understand in this volatile political environment that, I mean, he might be afraid.
	He might not want to be in the public eye.
	I don't know him.
	I don't know why.
	But I would say for not having the evidence in front of my own eyes, this is a pretty good effort to make people feel confident that there's something to this, that this is authentic.
	Well, and I certainly reminds me of you said that whether or not that this person has come public, I really, really, really stress that I hope this person has been interviewed by the Utah prosecutors and the FBI.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I wonder.
	I don't have any insider information on that.
	I know some of the people that the FBI has been talking to, that they've interviewed.
	I don't know if they have interviewed this individual, although I do know that they have been sent this particular report from Substack.
	Yeah, and that was so, by the way, just the work ethic behind this to put together the video that he did.
	And by the way, it's Turkey Tom if anyone wants to check it out.
	I know it's Thanksgiving time, so it's appropriately named.
	So it's Turkey Tom on YouTube.
	Full credit to him for putting this together.
	And he's got a sub stack up as well for anyone who wants to see the full data.
	So you can go through that.
	You don't even, if you like watching videos, you can watch it.
	It's long.
	It's about 40 minutes, but you can also go and read the sub stack.
	And it's just really an incredible piece of journalism that I think he put together to say, look, I've got this wild story.
	It seems real to me.
	I'm going to put the appropriate caveats in front of it.
	I'm going to put out the information and I'm going to leave it out there for you.
	And ultimately, that's what you do when you get a source that comes forward like that.
	Yeah, I think that's right.
	I think Turkey Tom, and I don't know Turkey Tom.
	I'd actually never heard of Turkey Tom until I saw this report.
	And then I looked into him to see, you know, what is his track record?
	Is he a person who tells the truth?
	Is he a person that tells lies?
	I don't, like I said, I don't know him personally.
	I have not even interviewed him professionally.
	Although that might be an interesting interview to hear, to hear a little more first-hand account of how this particular report was put together.
	But what I appreciate, and we live in this post-gatekeeping world, Jack, right?
	We live in this world where we don't want to, and this is, I'm talking, I'm not talking as a political commentator myself.
	I'm talking about as a consumer, as a citizen of the United States, we don't want to just rely on somebody else.
	We don't want to say, oh, that's our trusted news anchor.
	That's our trusted podcaster.
	We want to be shown the evidence.
	We want to watch the sausage being made.
	We don't want to just believe it because it's a salacious headline or because it might in some way verify the view that we want to hold.
	We want to see the evidence here.
	Evidence is very important, at least to the audience on my show.
	That's one of the things that I connect the most with with my audience is we just want the proof.
	We just want to see it right in front of our eyes because once we see something, we're not stupid.
	We know what we're seeing.
	don't need gatekeepers being told or telling us what to do.
	But circling back to my original point, Turkey Tom did what I think is really smart and I appreciate, and that is he addressed that at the very beginning.
	He said, I'm not trying to be a gatekeeper.
	I'm not trying to say, just take my word for it.
	This is an insider account.
	I'm telling you how I attempted to verify this and what was said to me.
	So I appreciate that.
	And there are even times where, as a good journalist would do, you have to redact certain things that provide those details because you don't want to out your source.
	And, you know, taking those steps to protect someone's identity, protect a source's identity, which is something that you do have to do when you're in the game, is just another step that I think shows that this was done in good faith.
	And, you know, we got a couple of more minutes until the break, but reading through some of it, it just seems to me like an incredibly toxic relationship where it seems that clearly, clearly Twiggs has serious mental issues, but then also that Tyler, of his own decision, decided to get involved with this person and go on this, you know, start playing this game along with him.
	Yeah, that's actually probably the biggest question that I think is left unanswered by this report is what that moment was for Tyler, that motivating moment.
	If he was raised as a typical Utah blue-collar guy, as this friend says he was, and we know that Tyler Robinson's parents were Republicans, what was it that caused him to even move in with Lance Twiggs?
	What was it that caused him to be susceptible to Lance Twiggs' sexual advances?
	What was it that caused him to change his political views if he shared political views with his parents, which I suppose we don't know for a fact, but it's likely that at some point he did.
	That's typically how it works when your parents hold political views.
	You hold the same ones for a while.
	If they changed and they seemed to change, what changed them?
	And the picture painted by this report from the friend, this insider who spent a lot of time at Lance Twiggs and Tyler Robinson's apartment, I mean, it seems like a really sordid, demented, perverted tale of sexual fetishes and drugs.
	It seems like, yes, there is obvious mental illness at play with Lance Twiggs, the depth of which is illustrated in some of these demented drawings and his really weird behaviors.
	And I don't know what the state of Tyler Robinson's mental health was, but once you become involved in demented, perverted sexual activity, once you become dependent on drugs, especially if you have not done drugs before, especially if you haven't engaged in this type of sexual behavior, that's going to cause a mental spiral regardless of the baseline state of your mental health.
	No, I think that's exactly right.
	And it has to be said over and over and iterated over and over that Tyler Robinson decided to do this.
	This was a decision.
	This was a plan.
	This was part of some kind of sick game.
	So Jack Pesovic rolling with Liz Wheeler talking about the twisted world of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs.
	We'll be right back, Human Events Daily.
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	All right, Jack Pesovic, we're back here live human events daily.
	We're talking about the twisted world of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs.
	We're on with Liz Wheeler.
	Liz, let's start digging into some of these logs, these texts that came out from the leaker, and then how we have the discords and the photos that sort of corroborate it.
	Yeah.
	And one thing I want to add that we were talking about in the prior segment when we were talking about whether this leaker is authentic and how to know whether a leaker like this is authentic or not.
	One of the things that Turkey Tom wrote, and I just pulled this up over the break, one of the things that Turkey Tom wrote at the beginning of his Substack report was a list of things that this leaker provided him to substantiate the story.
	And the number one thing that he listed is photos verifying their connection.
	And we don't know all of the photos verifying their connection, but I have to imagine it includes things like photos of him of the leaker with Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs, maybe of text message conversations or phone numbers.
	Something that I would encourage Turkey Tom to let us know about if he possibly can without without revealing the identity of this person.
	But as for the content of what goes on here, I think, Jack, it's really important to start with their apartment, to start with the state of their apartment.
	This friend of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs describes, and he provides photos of this too, provides a description of what he says is Lance Twiggs' nest.
	So it starts with a table full of wires all twisted together in this jumbled heap, no discernible order, wires and junk and trinkets from online stores, notes and artwork written in pen in this really vigorous, aggressive way.
	And this friend says this is what Lance Twiggs described as his nest.
	And during periods of the time when Lance Twiggs would be more stable, the nest would be smaller.
	It would be a little more organized.
	But as Lance Twiggs would enter into a spiral, this nest would expand from just covering the table to covering the counter to covering the couch, the entire living room.
	And if anybody visiting the apartment, and it actually sounded like they had guests quite frequently at the apartment, if anybody touched any of these things, Lance Twiggs would go nuts.
	He would go insane.
	He would start screaming his head off at people not to touch even a single piece of his trash.
	He also conducted what this friend describes as mold experiments in glass jars and old pieces of trash.
	He would grow mold around the apartment and in the sink.
	And during periods of stability, then the number of mold experiments would shrink to just one or two.
	And during periods of spiral, these mold experiments would overtake the apartment.
	I mean, this in and of itself is like, you know, it's like hoarder on steroids.
	This in and of itself is a mental problem.
	Then you add into it their propensity.
	And I say they, because it's both Tyler and Lance, it appears their propensity for sexual fetishes, this furry sexual fetish that they both seemed to be participants of.
	A furry sexual fetish for those uninitiated.
	And you're lucky if you're uninitiated.
	It's a fetish where grown men dress up like animals in order to have perverted sex with each other.
	And there's typically an element of, I don't know if this is a good way to describe it, Jack, but I've been calling it intellectual pedophilia because there's role play of like one adult animal having sex with a cub or someone that's supposed to be role-playing a young animal, which is just the most demented, evil, satanic thing you can think of.
	And this insider talks about the sexual relationship and even how it began, Jack, which is extremely troubling.
	Actually, Liz, because I've been, you know, sort of paralleling your journey into this subculture, I recently learned that the slang term that is used in the furry community for what you're describing is called puppy play or puppy play.
	And so one of them will take on the guise of a child or a pup or kit or sometimes kitten and act like a child.
	And we already know, by the way, because it's been linked in reporting that Tyler Robinson was looking at furry porn, which included what they call cub porn, which is so children, basically anthropomorphic children, furry children being involved in sexual activity with adults.
	Yeah, I mean, it's so demented.
	It's hard.
	It's hard to even wrap your mind around.
	I feel disgusting talking about it.
	I am sorry to scandalize people listening to it.
	But the reason that it's relevant to this story is because this friend of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs describes how he believes the sexual relationship between Lance and Tyler began.
	He said Lance Twiggs was known to drink alcohol in excess amounts.
	And when he would drink alcohol in excess amounts, he became very cuddly.
	This friend said he encountered Lance Twiggs and Tyler Robinson cuddling on the couch multiple times after Lance Twiggs had imbibed, over-imbibed.
	And he speculated, he's like, at first I thought nothing of it.
	He's like, but then as it became clear that Lance Twiggs and Tyler Robinson were engaging in sexual activity together, he said, I speculated that maybe one of those times that they were cuddling on the couch when Lance Twiggs had been drinking, somebody crossed a line.
	Maybe Lance Twiggs had sexually groomed Tyler Robinson into a relationship with him.
	Again, the reason that even their sexual relationship is relevant is because of basic morality.
	When you engage in immoral acts, it twists your moral compass into allowing yourself to be convinced that wrong is right and right is wrong, which clearly applies then to the decision Tyler Robinson made when he's accused, of course, of assassinating Charlie Kirk.
	The other part of this, Jack, the other part of the sexual relationship that's relevant is during these times of Lance Twiggs' spirals, as described by this friend, where he would go two or three days without sleeping.
	He'd talk to chat GPT in unit, like you can't even, it's not, you can't read it.
	It's not real words.
	He's talking in gibberish to chat GPT.
	He's talking to people in gibberish.
	It appeared that Tyler Robinson was still engaging in sexual activity with Lance Twiggs.
	So there's, that's not healthy.
	That's not normal.
	You have to wonder then what this, what this dynamic between these two human beings, what was driving it, especially when Lance Twiggs also would, even when they had people over in their apartment, take Tyler Robinson into the other room and loudly engage in sexual activity with him, sometimes during times when he was barely able to communicate with the guests in his apartment.
	That's right.
	And I read those messages as well.
	And I read what this friend, you know, sometime roommate was reacting to and was describing.
	And it's just, it's so depraved and it's so gross.
	And at the same time, it's real.
	It's all real.
	And when you read through it and you say, what type of twisted person could possibly get up on a roof and shoot Charlie Kirk?
	And then you read this and you say, well, you know, it sounds like this type of twisted, demented person would commit such an act of evil.
	Right back, Jack Posobiec, Liz Wheeler, Human Events Daily.
	There's some published reports out there that this individual, the roommate, may have been transitioned in.
	Did that correlate with what you saw?
	Yeah, definitely.
	He's going to have a question to be telling.
	Yeah.
	And then missing.
	Yeah.
	The roommate.
	Police interviewed Robinson's roommate, a biological male who was involved in a romantic relationship with Robinson.
	The roommate told police that the roommate received messages from Robinson about the shooting and he did provide those messages to police.
	On September 10th, 2025, the roommate received a text message from Robinson, which said, drop what you're doing.
	Look under my keyboard.
	The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note that stated, quote, I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it.
	All right, Jack Pasevick, we're back live here, Human Events Daily.
	We're going with Liz Wheeler.
	We're talking about the twisted world of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs and this toxic relationship.
	And Liz, we were just chatting during the break, but it wasn't just alcohol.
	It wasn't just the leftism, which has come out in so much of these leaks, the hatred of Charlie Kirk, and all conservatives, really, but also the, you know, the rampant use of, we talked about alcohol, but also drugs and something called black market HRT.
	Yeah, and this might be another one of the underreported aspects that's truly critical to this story.
	This insider, this friend of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs describes Lance Twiggs as not just drinking too much alcohol, but as a frequent user.
	I think he said he vaped THC, that he used shrooms, he used LSD, he used MOLLI.
	He describes him as a heavy drug user.
	In addition to the fact that Lance Twiggs, obviously born a biological male, was at some point in the transition, quote unquote, to a female, meaning that he was identifying, it seemed maybe when he wanted and when he didn't want as a female.
	But that identity or that transition included using hormone replacement therapy that wasn't prescribed to him by a doctor that he had gotten just from a local drug dealer, I suppose.
	That's how you get drugs on the black market, meaning we don't know the dosage.
	We don't know if it was contaminated.
	We don't really know what was in it.
	We don't know how this was affecting his mental state.
	I mean, for all we know, this could have been something that was more toxic than just hormone replacement therapy is in and of itself.
	Let's just say that.
	And the way this friend describes Lance Twiggs' life, it seemed like this drug use was not just frequent.
	It was most frequent during the periods of mental instability in Lance Twiggs, periods of time when he was going days and days without sleeping, when he was obsessively talking and gibberish to chat GPT, when he was having tantrums in his own room, when he was screaming at people for touching his trash piles in his nest.
	I mean, it's all connected, Jack.
	Oh, it is all connected.
	And what's interesting too is that when you look at, and I'm just going to say it, there was another piece there where the friend, the leaker, mentions that he believes that Tyler Robinson was, shall we say, sexually inexperienced, that he was a virgin when he moved in with Lance Twiggs.
	And I realized while looking at some of this stuff and reading through that it actually sounds like this was incel behavior from Tyler Robinson's case, that it's okay, he's an incel, right?
	So we certainly have heard so much of that and so many times where these downwardly mobile white males have, you know, kind of been in this incel community.
	But here's one yet again who's responding in an enraged fashion, incel rage, which is certainly something that's been studied.
	But in a way, it's almost like, and this is just my opinion.
	I'm not saying this is in the evidence, but it's almost like he was searching for a way to lose that virginity.
	was searching in a way to be meaningful in engaging in these extreme behaviors, the drugs, the perverted sexual activity, the furry behavior, the furry porn, the cub porn, all of this is a sort of way to dive in after having been considered himself an incel prior to this.
	And then just kind of overdoses on these internet subcultures completely snaps.
	And in a way, people are saying, well, did he do this as an act of romance or an act of love with Twiggs?
	And I think he was doing it looking for some kind of validation, right?
	And it's just my opinion, but almost looking for an act of praise.
	He wanted praise for this.
	He wanted to impress Twiggs.
	Look what I did for you.
	Look what I've done for you.
	And, you know, of course, you know, Twiggs even responding saying that I didn't know you wanted to do something like that.
	But when you really get into these motivations, and all of this is certainly going to come out at trial.
	So we're getting, you know, an early look at it.
	But it's going to be something that comes up, the motivation of what could drive someone to do something so horrible.
	And I think this does, it doesn't answer all the questions.
	It, in fact, gives me many more questions, but it gets you part of the way there.
	Yeah, I think, I mean, there's so much speculation that we could engage in when it comes to this.
	And I, in a sense, want to avoid the speculation and just follow the facts.
	I think you're correct that it raises a lot of questions.
	And if I were the FBI, I would pursue some of the questions that you mentioned.
	Another aspect of the word that you mentioned, this incel culture, would be the lockdowns.
	Were these individuals subject to social isolation?
	Were their schools shut down?
	Were they reduced to being chronically online?
	Is that when their radicalization or their mental instability began?
	I'd certainly, if I were the FBI, be interested in looking into that because it is.
	I mean, if we're going to try to get an idea of the totality, the context of these individuals, their lives and their beliefs, what motivated Tyler Robinson to commit such a heinous, horrible, evil act,
	you do have to look at every aspect of what has formed and informed this person, whether it is their religion, their relationship with their family, their political views, their drug use, their alcohol use, their friendships, their online habits, their sexual habits, all of these things play into it and form the totality of evidence.
	And you have to wonder, or I wonder, I should say, and if I were the FBI, I would be investigating this when this type of chronically online behavior, this foray or experimentation with these extreme things, drugs and sex, furry pornography specifically, the transgender ideology, when that began and where it came from.
	I think that's right.
	And it's actually not that I cite these guys very often, but there was a piece in The New Yorker a couple of weeks ago, and it was called How Monsters Went from Menacing to Misunderstood.
	And they, just in the subhead, they wrote, for most of human history, monsters were repugnant aberrations, breaches of the natural and moral order.
	What's behind our relentless urge to humanize them?
	And so I think that's something that, you know, we really as a society have, you know, you call it Disney movies, Pixar, et cetera.
	You know, we're always sort of looking for, you know, the whole movie series Wicked is about trying to humanize and the wicked witch and saying, oh, she was just misunderstood.
	And actually Dorothy was the bad one.
	And see, you totally don't get it.
	And Maleficent was a whole series like this too, also pushed by Disney.
	And so there's all these things pushed throughout our culture where we take the monstrous and we say, no, no, it's just misunderstood.
	We can't do that from a legal perspective and from a societal justice perspective, can we?
	No, and I don't, I don't think that that's what this is.
	I think understanding the totality of what formed the ideology that motivated Tyler Robinson, who is alleged by authorities to have assassinated Charlie Kirk, I think the reason to investigate the background and the context of him and his motivations and his ideological formation is because this is an increasingly common ideology among young men in our country.
	Whether it's these radical trans groups, whether it's an Antifa, there is a lot of left-wing violence that is happening right now in our country.
	And it is important in order to protect our families and our communities and our nation, the fabric of our nation at large.
	It's important to understand why this is happening and how these people are being formed into the revolutionaries, these violent revolutionaries that they are, because they aren't born like this, Jack.
	They're not born Marxists.
	They're not born murderers.
	That something happens between the moment they leave the womb and the moment that they pull the trigger and assassinate our friend Charlie Kirk.
	Something happened to indoctrinate them into this evil ideology.
	And you and I are both Catholic.
	We know that we have been given free will.
	We, as humans, have the choice to choose God or to choose Satan.
	And if Tyler Robinson is convicted of the crime that we think he committed, then we know that he chose evil and he should be held accountable for that, both in front of his creator and in a just society like ours.
	No one's trying to step away from that.
	But larger picture, if we are facing the ongoing threat of similar crimes being committed against those that we love, we need to understand the formation of these people so that we can make an effort as a society to stop it.
	It's really as simple as that.
	And when I served at Guantanamo Bay and came face to face with radical Islam and some of the most horrific radical Islamic killers that our country has ever seen, I still spent time trying to unpack their radical ideology and learning about what it was about radical Islam that made them commit the acts that they did.
	It didn't mean that it absolved them from the acts or something like that.
	No, not at all.
	It was about understanding an ideology and an enemy that was facing my country, my family, that needed to be stopped.
	We'll be right back, Jack Posovic, Liz Wheeler.
	I am filing a notice of intent to seek the death penalty.
	I do not take this decision lightly, and it is a decision I have made independently as county attorney based solely on the available evidence and circumstances and nature of the crime.
	All right, Jack Posovic, back live here, Human Events Daily.
	We're on with Liz Wheeler.
	And the more and more that I read about the twisted world of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs, it reminds me so much of the story.
	You know, the case was called The Crime of the Century: Leopold and Loeb.
	Leopold and Loeb were two American murderers in 1924 in Chicago.
	And there are several movies about this, one of which has Jimmy Stewart's now for Pitchcock movie.
	It's a great one.
	And they, the two of them, were highly intelligent.
	They were highly successful scholastically.
	And yet they decided to prove their intellect and to prove how better they were than others that they would kidnap and murder a 14-year-old named Bobby Franks, who they knew.
	And they were two people who were caught and had done this because simply they decided to show their prowess.
	Now, they were given life in prison.
	They were not executed.
	I believe they should have been executed because, again, in this case, they made this decision.
	They made this horrific decision to do this.
	And we know that Charlie Kirk was a believer in the death penalty.
	That Charlie Kirk was someone who read the Bible and said, this shows me that God has ordered the death penalty for these, those heinous crimes.
	And funny enough, or funnily enough, I suppose I should say, that their defense attorney was none other than Clarence Darrow himself.
	Yes, the very same Clarence Darrow from the Scopes monkey trial, a famous atheist in his own right and chipped away at American justice and American capital punishment.
	And so we see a lot of similarities.
	We see because there was a lot of sexual activity and what they claimed was abuse and they were in a homosexual affair with themselves.
	That's why it reminded me so much of this.
	And, you know, Liz, when we look at the totality of all of this, you know, Leopold and Loeb, that was 100 years ago, exactly 100 years ago, or one.
	And here we are 100 years later.
	And the only difference, I suppose you could say, is it wasn't just homosexuality, it was transsexuality in this case.
	Yeah, I mean, the connective tissue there is godlessness, right?
	Indeed.
	Both of which are both of which require it in order to be a practitioner.
	Listen, Jack, I think one of the things too about the transgender ideology, we have talked or we had begun to talk as a nation, not just in the conservative movement, about this threat of violence that is included in the transgender ideology.
	And I think it's worth noting how it applies to this case too.
	I wrote a book two years ago about the assault on America's kids.
	And I noted that at the time, critical race theory was the thing.
	That was the topic.
	That was, you know, young white children in school were being told that they were irredeemably racist because of the color of their skin.
	There was nothing they could do about it because of crimes or wrongdoings that were committed by generations ago by people who happened to share the same skin color.
	Young black children were being told that they're oppressed based on the color of their skin.
	There was nothing they could do about it.
	And this creates in children such an incredible self-loathing.
	Imagine being told that you're evil and they're not because of anything you've done or thought or said or how you've treated other people, but just based on what you look like, based on who you are.
	Conversely, imagine what it's like to be told that you're oppressed and that you're never going to succeed based on just what you look like.
	This creates an identity crisis and intentionally so in young children.
	And I call it the one-two punch.
	So children are being indoctrinated in critical race theory.
	And especially this applies to young white children for the purpose of this illustration.
	They have their identity torn down.
	They feel self-loathing.
	And that's the first punch.
	And in comes this second ideology, this transgender ideology that says, listen, you might have been labeled as the oppressor because of the color of your skin.
	And there's nothing you can do to redeem yourself from that.
	But I'm offering you this anecdote.
	I'm offering you the opportunity if you put on the mantle of the transgender ideology.
	If you reject who you are, reject your parents, reject your person, reject your God, reject your body, then you can be one of us.
	You can be one of the victims.
	You can be one of the oppressed and you're no longer the bad guy.
	We will give you back your self-worth and your identity if you take on an artificial identity.
	And it served as this one-two punch to transform young people from just normal kids going to school, operating in society to these radical revolutionaries.
	And both Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs are of the age that they would have been victims of this one-two punch, not just in public schools, but in society at large, that young white men are told that they're disgusting because they're white.
	They're told that they're evil.
	And the only thing they can do is reject their biology, their God-given biology and become something else.
	And what happens when they do this?
	The only requirement in order to go from being an oppressor to being oppressed is that you reject all objective reality, that you pay fealty instead to the Marxist ideology.
	And you have to sometimes be willing to give your very life to overthrow the oppressors who now want to genocide you as the oppressed.
	And what happens is these young people are not just mentally, ideologically brainwashed, they are now willing to physically carry out this ideology.
	It turns them into essentially kamikazes, these suicide actors, in a sense, for the Marxist dialectic that underpins the transgender ideology.
	And of course, that element exists.
	I know Tyler Robinson wasn't the one who was transitioning.
	He wasn't on the hormone replacement therapy, but he was engaging in sexual activity with someone who was.
	So at the very least, intellectually, he was captured by this ideology too, most likely.
	No, there's no question.
	And I was just pulling up some other stuff on Leopold and Loeb, by the way, for folks who might not know.
	The Alfred Hitchcock movie is Rope, by the way, Jimmy Stewart.
	It's just a fantastic.
	It's a classic.
	I think most of the film or possibly all of the film was done in one shot.
	Richard Loeb was seen as the dominant one, charismatic, confident, obsessed with crime as an intellectual gang.
	Leopold, who was the one who obsessed and idolized over Loeb, he was highly intelligent, IQ over 200 by some estimates, but became emotionally dependent on Loeb, deeply infatuated with Loeb, willing to go along with anything that Loeb wanted.
	And in their relationship, Leopold often deferred to Loeb's wishes, both sexually and in their criminal activities.
	Liz, I got to say, I'm probably going to be going down the rabbit hole on this for the rest of the evening because the similarities are just so stark.
	And they're both 18 and they were 18 and 19 at the time of the crime.
	Were they?
	Yep.
	Yeah, that's pretty wild.
	I mean, that's pretty wild.
	I suspect, Jack, that if we, the public, were given access to, you know, the accounts of Lance Twiggs and Tyler Robinson and said, like, listen, here's their online footprint.
	Here's their computer.
	Here's their phone.
	Like, go nuts.
	Find out what they looked up, what they read, what they wrote, what they watched, what they did.
	I suspect you would find trails that would lead you back to stuff like that.
	Right.
	And of course, you know, and by the way, like, I want to be very, very clear about this, that I'm just talking about, you know, this previous case.
	We're theorizing.
	We're looking at some of these leaks and asking questions.
	I don't know or have any evidence in any way to say that Lance Twiggs was involved in this.
	The evidence doesn't seem to show that.
	The evidence seems to show that in this case, it was not something that they planned together.
	It seems like it was something that Tyler Robinson, again, based on the evidence that Tyler Robinson did on his own as a form of pleasing to Twiggs, as a form of wanting to receive praise, which would also fit in with being emotionally dependent.
	So he's wanting that praise.
	But again, being highly intelligent, right?
	They mentioned that Tyler Robinson was in an electronics program, excuse me, an engineering program, that he was someone who was highly intelligent, as well as Twiggs himself had been a former gifted student, but they had both sort of dropped out of their respective programs.
	So you see a lot of the similarities.
	Only about a minute left.
	Liz Wheeler, thank you so much for doing the yeoman's work on this, doing the heavy lifting.
	Where can people go to get everything that you're going to be putting out on this?
	Yeah, thanks for having me, Jack.
	You can go to youtube.com slash Liz Wheeler.
	You can follow me on X at X.com slash Liz underscore Wheeler.
	And we have video on Spotify now.
	So if you go to Spotify app and search the Liz Wheeler show, we are on there too.
	And it's censorship free.
	So it's a great app if you're not able to catch us live.
	No, that's absolutely incredible.
	And I know that a lot of people are going to be listening to this live.
	And I really do hope that this and that you share it with others, that you get it out there, because we know there's been a lot of questions about this.
	We have a lot of questions as well for those of us who knew him.
	And as we start to get answers, we can start to unpack the twisted and demented truth about what happened to our friend Charlie Kirk.
	And his family deserves that.
	And his kids deserve that.
	So that's what we're going to do.

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