Nov. 28, 2025 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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The Toxic Psychology of Tyler Robinson
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September 10th, 2025, 22-year-old Tyler Robinson decided he wouldn't be attending his electrical apprenticeship program at Dixie Technical College.
At 8.23, he walked to his Gray Dodge Challenger, and a little while later, he drove off to Utah Valley University.
Three hours after that, at 11.49, he exited his car wearing a different set of clothes, a cap, dark sunglasses, and visibly limping toward the parking lot adjacent to the UVU campus.
He walked up the parking lot stairs, headed to the Low Center, and then was nowhere to be seen.
Meanwhile, conservative speaker Charlie Kirk was hosting one of his debate events on campus, roughly 200 yards away from where Tyler was.
At exactly 12.23, a single shot rang out, piercing the left side of Kirk's throat, sending the entire campus into chaos.
To add to the already extremely tragic situation, CCTV footage showed Tyler, then unknown to the authorities, fleeing the scene and successfully evading capture.
Tyler's father, Matt, saw the pictures of the killer on the news.
To his unimaginable shock, he saw his son being reported about on national television for having murdered Charlie Kirk.
Despite his utter shock and disbelief, Matt went to his son and simply asked him, Tyler, is this you?
This looks like you.
Tyler immediately confessed.
Soon after his capture, Tyler went completely silent and has refused to cooperate with the police.
While the roommate was initially anonymous, that didn't last long.
As a neighbor of Tyler's came forward to speak with the media, and some pretty interesting things were said when the topic came up, and the neighbor claims to have witnessed them together.
Were they holding hands?
Uh, yeah, they were.
And did they look like they were comfortable?
Yeah.
Yeah, there's some published reports out there that this individual, the roommate, may have been transistor injury.
Did that correlate with what you saw?
Um, yeah, definitely.
I remember them talking about a doctor's appointment.
An unknown source in law enforcement had already attested to the same story.
And with this much scrutiny and attention on something, keeping this person's name a secret was basically impossible.
Eventually, people found Tyler's Venmo account where one name stood out, Lance Twiggs.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.
We've got a special episode for you today.
Now, if you saw the previous episode, I would like you to go back and watch that if you haven't, because we're going to be making references to that episode.
We're going to be talking about Tyler Robinson and these leaks that came out from a former roommate, friend, whistleblower to the YouTube account Turkey Tom.
And these messages describe in great detail the strange and toxic relationship between Lance Twiggs and Tyler Robinson.
And so Liz Wheeler and myself in yesterday's episode, the previous episode, went through in great detail those leaks, those sentences, those phrases.
We pulled out what could they all mean.
We corroborated that with other information.
And so I would encourage you to go and check out that episode before you listen to this episode.
But we make references as much of it as you can.
What are we doing today?
Today, we've got a very special guest on.
It's Dr. Chloe Carmichael.
She's a clinical psychologist.
That was their twisted world.
Today, we're going into the toxic psychology, the mind of Tyler Robinson.
And as we do that, I'm sitting here in the original Charlie Kirk studio right now.
This desk, right here, this is the desk where Charlie launched his show.
This microphone was Charlie's microphone.
This is where it all began when the Charlie Kirk show.
And Charlie and I sat in this room and debating and planning and scheming and doing it all.
And now he's not here.
He's not going to be coming back.
And what was done to Erica and their children, Charlie's family?
It's an unspeakable evil.
It's an unspeakable evil.
One that will never go away.
No more bedtime stories.
Little girl who will never be picked up by her father again.
Little boy who will never get taught by his dad how to throw a football, how to make a half court shot.
No.
How to throw a baseball.
None of that.
And that was all robbed by Tyler Robinson.
It was robbed from them.
Every single moment of every single day that Charlie could have spent with his family was taken from them.
And that creates a debt.
That creates a debt, ladies and gentlemen.
And look, not to make it personal, but like I said, I'm here in his studio.
Charlie's my friend.
And I suppose in a way, this is one of the ways that I deal with things like this is I get to the bottom of it.
I want to unpack every single piece of it that I can.
I want to dig in through every shadow, open every closed door, look under every rock to try to understand, not just from the security perspective, the security failures, and the campus and all the rest of it, but even the individuals and even the psychological situations.
What would drive someone to do this?
And potentially, maybe then we can even learn how do we stop the next person who wants to be a Tyler Robinson or a Thomas Matthew Crooks or a Luigi Maggioni.
So, you know, I don't usually talk about it, but that's why I do what I do.
Because if we don't stop them, they will not stop on their own.
right back.
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We're going through the strange case of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs.
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On September 10th, 2025, the roommate received a text message from Robinson, which said, drop what you're doing.
Look under my keyboard.
The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note that stated, quote, I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it.
So I want to bring on now very honored and excited to have Dr. Chloe Carmichael joining us.
She's read through all of this.
She's also an expert on this really this emerging field, I would say.
And I wanted to get her in to explain.
Dr. Chloe, how are you?
Hey, Jack, great to be with you.
So we're, and just like everyone else, we see these leaks, we see this, and I'm just going to call it, as it seems like a toxic relationship, you know, and caveats, you know, that we do believe these leaks are corroborated, that Turkey Tom has photos of the individuals together, of his source, et cetera.
We do know that other photos from inside were corroborated to be at the home that Lance Twiggs and Tyler Robinson were living at.
And I guess, Dr. Chloe, let's imagine, you know, imagine these two were in front of you for some relationship therapy.
What would your diagnosis be just reading through some of this?
Wow.
I mean, that's a big question, Jack.
If these two were in front of me for some kind of relationship therapy, I mean, I think one of the first things that I would just need to understand is what is their belief about the nature of their relationship.
From what I understand, Lance Twiggs believed himself to be transitioning, you know, from a man into a woman.
And, you know, apparently maybe Tyler Robinson might have been what we would call colluding.
And we used to call it a folly adieu in psychology when you have two people that are participating in the same delusion together.
So I would be interested to understand some of the very basic underpinnings of how they viewed their relationship in the first place, because especially since it appears that Tyler, that that shot was fired at the very first trans question that was posed to Charlie Kirk.
So I think the question of understanding, you know, what exactly they believe themselves to be and what trans meant to them might be important.
And I think that's exactly right.
And, you know, as we try to piece this apart, and of course, you know, I'll say it, you know, for you, of course, we're, you know, we're looking at this from miles away.
We're looking at this from afar, so trying to understand and unpack, given the very limited evidence that we do have.
You, of course, clinical psychologists, but you have not been able to treat either of these individuals.
Of course, one is in prison.
One is either in hiding or some form of witness protection.
But, you know, for me, I'll just put it this way: I'm sitting right here.
This is the Charlie Kirk studio.
This is the desk that I'm sitting at right now.
This is the microphone where he launched the Charlie Kirk show.
I sat here in here with him so many times, and he's not going to be coming back because of what happened.
And the evidence points to the individual Taylor as being the one on the roof who did this, who etched into the bullets the messages towards his, you know, who he viewed as his oppressor.
But a guy who's my friend and who was the husband of my friend Erica and the father to two small children.
So I think it's incumbent on us and really as a country to understand why that happened and understand what drove them to this act.
And I think when you and I were talking about this before, I remember you had said that it almost seemed like Tyler may have been doing this as a form of acting out a romance or the idea that he was trying to protect Twiggs.
I'm reading through some of these new leaks and I'm wondering, do you think there could be an angle where he was almost trying to impress Twiggs by doing this?
Because we do see that the friend here in these leaks is saying that Tyler was not particularly sexually experienced.
He was also not particularly politically experienced, but he knew that Twiggs was.
So I wonder if this was a way for him in his perspective to try to think that he was impressing his lover here.
Yeah, absolutely, Jack.
And I think I've heard you use the phrase white knighting before, which to describe this, which I think comes into play as well.
If Tyler Robinson fancied himself as some kind of a hero here, because at this particular developmental age as well, these are very young men.
They're in a way, they're still kind of in a late form of adolescence.
And that's a stage when they can really be craving and seeking social approval and social acceptance.
They can be trying on a lot of different identities.
And, you know, I think from things that both of them have expressed online, they may have even fallen prey to some of this extreme vilification of straight white men, especially, you know, conservative straight white men.
And so trying to really differentiate themselves from that identity as they try to seek out their own adult identity.
You know, it seems like there could be a little bit of a goal there as far as becoming the white knight, but in a little bit of a twisted sense of what it means to be a white knight.
That's right.
And so when they're attempting to be, you know, or, you know, if this is true, he's attempting to be this white knight.
He's thinking, I want to impress my lover.
I want to, you know, gain status, gain standing in his eyes, because it does seem like he's been, you know, he's putting this relationship and putting this identity, as you say, ahead of, you know, my gosh, all things like basic human decency and morality and your sort of your normal social structures.
And so one thing that I learned, I guess I would say, serving at Guantanamo Bay for a year, which I did, and working in the interrogation cell, is that when you hear the radicals, when you hear them, they never think that they are radical.
They think that they're completely rational and logical.
And so it's unpacking that ideology, unpacking that form of thought that gets you to try to understand their motivations for why they did what they did.
Yeah, exactly.
And they certainly, I imagine, got a great deal of input to validate and in a certain way, you know, miseducate them about, you know, what, say, it means to be trans.
I mean, from what I understand, they both were pretty heavily online, pretty heavily involved in Reddit and Discord.
And in your recent piece for Human Events, and when you spoke with Megan Kelly, I thought you explored really well the fact that they went to high school during COVID lockdowns.
And the way you said it was that they couldn't step out into the world.
The world was shut down.
And so they stepped out into the world online.
And we also know that that online world is extremely rife with pornography.
And it does appear that their expression of their sexuality, you know, was in some way tainted by that.
I mean, I just, I don't think young men naturally wake up saying, oh, I'll be trans or, oh, I'm into furries, right?
They're obviously getting that somewhere online.
And I also had shared with you a short while ago an interesting piece from the Washington Examiner, and it was covered elsewhere that there were basically some whistleblowers from, I think it was Pornhub or some other place, showing that they actively try to convert.
They call it convert users of their porn site that maybe are initially just seeking, you know, heterosexual, what we might call vanilla porn, but getting them specifically into trans stuff because they're seeking an ever higher bar of stimulation and, you know, a feeling of taboo.
And again, when you have these young men that are also at this developmental age seeking a form of identity, I think it could be unfortunately a perfect terrible storm where their sense of identity can even become co-opted into this trans and into this furriness.
And then it gets rolled up with this, you know, leftist hatred of straight white men in the church.
I think Twiggs had also been online, maybe saying some things about leaving religion and Tyler.
They were both former Mormons or had grown up Mormon and were leaving the LDS church.
So that exactly lines up with what you're saying.
And in fact, I've spoken to some, I'm Catholic, but I have some Mormon friends and I was asking them about this as well.
And they said, you know, there's this, there's, there are a lot of people in Utah that, you know, form this sort of former Mormon culture.
And for some people, when they leave the church, what they do is they run in the opposite direction to whatever the furthest thing away from, you know, mom and dad and the way that we were raised is.
And in this case, yeah, being a member of a, you know, quasi-Antifa trans furry cell using drugs and black market hormones is probably just as far as you can get from a conservative Mormon background.
Jack Posobic, Dr. Chloe Carmichael.
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Dr. Chloe, I've, you know, and I'm kind of using my sort of armchair analysis here.
I'm not an expert like you on some of this, but the disassociation that I see here with Crooks, with Mangione, with Robinson, Twiggs as well, there does seem to be a common thread.
These are young white men in the 20 to 27 age range.
They all went through the COVID experience.
I went to the White House and mentioned this, and people could see that roundtable on left-wing violence.
And I mentioned it to President Trump himself and said that I'm seeing an interesting profile here of these types of shooters.
And I don't think we should overlook those commonalities.
What do you make of this?
Yeah, I think that you are raising a really good point there.
So when you talk about dissociation, you know, I also think, for example, as you mentioned, of drug use.
I think Twiggs has acknowledged online that he used a lot of marijuana as a young person, right?
And then also the Journal of American Psychiatry acknowledged recently that even just the medium regular dose of ADHD medication is linked to a three times, threefold increased likelihood towards issues with psychoticism, which is of course a break from reality.
And then when we have, you know, people being steered into this extreme online virtual world, that actually kind of requires a form of dissociation as well when you're disconnecting with the world around you and stepping into this virtual world.
So I think that you're raising a really good point that all of these young men during COVID were kind of pushed into their bedrooms, pushed into the world of computers, possibly using a lot of marijuana, possibly also on other medications that may have been good for them and maybe not.
And I also wonder what's going on with these, in some cases, the parenting.
I mean, how is Lance, as he discussed online, using not only extremely heavy marijuana use, but he also discussed drinking large amounts of vodka and things like that.
I'm wondering where the parents are in all of this as well.
And so if these young men are not getting grounded in real life through church, family, being out with friends, they are, as you said, dissociating into an online life.
And when we even look at, say, the icons on things like Reddit or Discord, the icons, the logos of those sites, they look like a human that's half robot, right?
It's inviting this, you know, not the icon in and of itself, but the whole thing, you know, and combined with the excessive porn use.
I do think that dissociation is a good word for that to describe what all that adds up to.
And what do we also see?
We know that Crooks, Thomas Matthew Crooks, President Trump's would-be assassin from Butler, Pennsylvania, one of the last things that he did before he went up on that roof in Butler was search pornography.
Then we go and we look at Tyler Robinson and they tell us that his social media footprint, his internet footprint includes very strange pornographic searches where he's involved in websites where they're digging into the furry porn and stuff that even includes young anthropomorphized children that are involved in these sexual acts, something that seems very disturbing.
I did not spend a lot of time looking at this stuff, but for purposes of understanding, I pulled it up.
It's gross.
It's some of the grossest stuff that I've ever seen.
And yet, they've put themselves in a position, and I think you're right, I don't think it starts there.
I think it starts more vanilla, but they get to a point where they're totally wrapped around the axle because they're completely dissociated with reality.
And yet we're also told that Twiggs' grandfather was the one who actually owned the home where all of this was going on.
Yeah, you know, that's a good point too.
I mean, apparently their parents were in some level financially enabling this type of lifestyle that they were living, which is a whole other question as well.
But as well, to your point about Lance Twiggs, in some of the materials that you sent me here, I noticed that on his TikTok account, on one of his TikTok accounts, the icon, the facial image that was posted there was actually just what appears to be some kind of a furry hat or furry face mask.
And it was shared apparently with a user called Youngest Kami.
And, you know, to your point about the youth and then this looping in of Marxism, which of course wants to strip away and break down the family and to strip away and break down religion.
And so when we stop looking basically upward to think of our identity and we look excessively inward or excessively into the screen of a computer where there's nothing in many ways except this extreme, ironically capitalist, right?
Well, they're oftentimes so hung up on Marxism, but it's this extreme capitalist culture actually with, you know, whether it be Pornhub or these other places that are just trying to stir them deeper and deeper into, you know, really extreme pornography, which can dissociate them from just their normal sense of identity and values.
Again, especially when they're at this really sensitive developmental age.
So then they're getting flooded with dopamine because they're using excessive porn, which then is followed by a feeling of emptiness that they only feel that they can feel that this is the way to get more.
Quick break, hold it right there because we can't skip this.
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There's some published reports out there that this individual, the roommate, may have been transistor injury.
Did that correlate with what you saw?
Yeah, definitely.
He was going to have empiration to be toned into the world.
Yeah.
And then what is it?
All right, Jack with Selwick.
We're back, Human Events Daily.
We're talking about the psychology of Tyler Robinson and Lance Twiggs.
I want to toss it back to Dr. Chloe Carmichael.
She got cut off in the last segment because we are talking about this situation where they, you're talking about these young men who are living in, I think, very cases, many cases, depraved states and a very, you know, these are these downward spirals, and yet they still keep choosing to continue on this path rather than simply walk away and, you know, think to themselves, I don't need to do this.
I could, I can walk away and I can go back home and I can go somewhere else.
And yet they never seem to do it, do they?
Well, no, but I mean, that's because I think of all of these forces to demonize and confuse them about what it would mean to walk away.
Like what walk away towards what Charlie Kirk was offering, you know, of a healthy sense of manhood and community.
You know, Tyler Robinson had been tricked into thinking that Charlie Kirk himself, you know, represented evil and hatred.
I mean, can you imagine, of course, the irony of saying, well, I have to get rid of all that hatred.
And so therefore, I'm going to, you know, assassinate him.
But even from a very young age, you know, there's a very haunting photo of Tyler Robinson when he was maybe 13 and he's, you know, absorbed at his computer gaming.
And his mom, I think, had posted the picture herself with something like, haha, now he can, you know, totally ignore us.
And we know with those online games, they are, they're rife with predators.
I saw something recently on Sean Ryan's show about Roblox actually has child-facing materials there where kids can relive the simulation of shooting Charlie Kirk or of being in that audience.
And so, you know, young men are seeking a place where they can feel strong and useful and competent.
And I think that these online worlds, whether it be through gaming or through pornography or some of these really warped places on Reddit or Discord, are hijacking that sense of manhood and pointing it towards something really awful and perverse.
So they don't realize they need to walk away because they think that they're developing into a hero.
They're developing into a hero or perhaps even a type of hero known as a white knight.
You just mentioned they want to feel strong and useful.
Why is it that young men don't feel useful in today's society?
Exactly, because everything that would normally guide them to feel useful, like say to be providers, protectors, you know, leaders within their church and their community, it's all been branded as toxic masculinity to them, especially if God forbid that they should be a straight white male.
And so ironically, that desire to be useful and strong and helpful in society, they've been programmed to think the way to do that is actually to tear down society and to separate from, you know, even the fact of their masculinity.
I think that's why they may be so vulnerable to some of this, you know, trans stuff.
What better way to step away from what they've been seen as this, oh, I'm just a terrible, toxic straight white male.
I know I could be trans.
Oh, even better, I'll be furry or, you know, date people within that space.
I think it's a disavowal and as you said, a dissociation from who they are because society in many ways has vilified them.
And this is a key element here because they're feeling vilified.
So that's what creates the dissociation in the first place, that they then go and find new outlets, drugs, video games, online pornography, all of these other things, because, and not to mention all of the economic effects as well, that I think we, you know, we talk about a lot here on the program in general when it comes to Gen Z and how if you have this sense that the real world has nothing for you,
that the real world is against you, that the real world is hostile to you, then perhaps you return back with the sense of being hostile to the world itself.
And something else that you picked up or that you mentioned that I wanted to go back to, and you wrote an entire book about this, and it's the question of free speech.
And so Charlie, of course, was a champion of free speech.
He was participating in free speech when he was shot and killed.
And in fact, the title of it was his Debate Me series.
And you wrote a book, Can I Say That?
Why Free Speech Matters and How to Use It Fearlessly?
So Charlie's perspective was: if you disagree with me, come to the front and let's have a conversation.
Tyler Robinson, we're told in one of these conversations with his parents before they turned him in and identified him and all this happened that I have to stop his hate.
Now, as far as I know, Charlie wasn't ever violent to anyone.
He never physically attacked anyone, but he did or did anything in any capacity, breaking a law, something like that.
But he did talk.
Why is it that these people view speech itself as a form of an attack on them physically?
Well, I think in part because they've been programmed to feel that way.
I honestly think a lot of this traces back to Marxism and things that they're learning in schools, unfortunately.
But it really is a very strong thread within the trans movement specifically that if you should say to a quote trans man, you're actually a woman or use biologically accurate pronouns, they'll say, you are threatening my existence.
And I think, again, there's this issue of dissociation.
And ironically, as a clinical psychologist, if I'm working with somebody, say, that comes into my office and says, hey, I'm seeing little green men, I would not immediately confront them and say, no, you're not.
They're not there.
My first questions would be, well, what do they say to you?
How long have you seen them?
I would be trying to explore and understand what that delusion, what that psychotic delusion, you know, represents to the person, because everybody knows, psychologists know that if you just come in and you hit them over the head, you know, by telling them that their delusion is false, they will shut down completely and really act out and act up very much like a trans person who says, you know,
you're threatening my existence because they've hinged their existence on something that is untrue.
So of course it creates a lot of instability.
That was ironically the question that was posed to Charlie Kirk is how many mass shooters are trans?
And ironically, he was shot at that moment, you know, presumably by Tyler Robinson, presumably allegedly in part maybe because of his relationship with Lance Twiggs about being trans.
So he's in this conversation.
He's in this relationship.
He's viewing his identity.
He's viewing his as being wrapped up in this, which is beyond anything that the real world offers himself.
And he just seems totally lost in this.
It seems like he was totally lost in this identity to the point where I suppose I should say he did understand that there would be consequences because we do see these messages.
We see this sense with his parents.
When his parents do confront him, you know, he's trying to get the rifle and bring it back.
He's trying to cover up what he did.
So, you know, is there a sense then, I suppose, that he's almost living like a double life where he's one person with his parents, but he's another person with twigs?
Yeah, I would say it certainly does seem that way, you know, kind of a bifurcated identity, which again can be very isolating.
That causes depression.
It's actually one of the first things an abuser wants to do to a victim is to isolate them and make them feel as if, you know, their friends and family don't understand them.
And I think that's exactly what happens when people go down this awful, you know, trans furry porn rabbit hole online, where they just get deeper and deeper into this world that really does make no sense, that really is disconnected from reality.
And then, of course, you know, the dark forces there tend to vilify the person's actual family and say, oh, well, you know, you should probably go no contact with them or, oh, you know, they're threatening your existence.
Because, you know, to your point about my book about free speech and the importance of speaking accurately, language is one of our most profound tools as humans.
We actually, as psychologists, sometimes refer to words as objects that are representing prototypes.
So it's really part of the glue that allows us to communicate together about reality.
And so when people start tinkering with that by saying like, oh, well, it's a trans man or, oh, you know, this is a furry.
And then when other people push back on that language, because it is important to be grounded in reality and to be communicating accurately, they can start to unravel and become very hostile.
Jack Pasobic, Dr. Chloe Carmichael, the toxic psychology of Tyler Robinson.
Be right back here, Human Events Daily, in today's special.
I am filing a notice of intent to seek the death penalty.
I do not take this decision lightly, and it is a decision I have made independently as county attorney based solely on the available evidence and circumstances and nature of the crime.
All right, Jack Pasok, we're back.
Final segment here with Dr. Chloe Carmichael.
Dr. Chloe, I know that you've commented on criminal cases before.
And look, we're not just speculating on this.
I do believe that a lot of this relationship and a lot of the psychology here is going to come up either in the conviction phase of the trial or in the sentencing phase because we know that the state of Utah is seeking the death penalty.
There have been many cases where the death penalty has been taken off because of psychological issues.
And it just seems to me that this is certainly going to be one of the big points of contention for the defense team for Tyler Robinson.
That so if he is convicted, convicted on the basis of the fingerprint evidence, of the DNA evidence tying him to the gun, the statements to the parents, the statements to friends, let's say for sake of argument that he is convicted.
Do you think this will play a role in the death penalty phase?
Well, I certainly imagine that the defense would attempt to trot that out, but I don't think that they would be successful because the behavior of Tyler Robinson following this event clearly shows that he was completely aware of the difference between right and wrong.
He didn't show up, for example, on site and say, hey, everybody, I'm going to do everybody a great favor and shoot Charlie Kirk, fully believing that society would celebrate him.
That would be a suggestion that he was unaware of the difference of right and wrong.
Other reasons why people might use a psychological defect as a way to avoid accountability might be, for example, a very low IQ or lack of intelligence.
I don't think that Tyler could plead that either.
My understanding is that he was actually very intelligent.
What he did have, I would say, is an extreme sense of grandiosity, which is quite common again in young men, which is why it's so tragic that he wasn't, I guess, able or willing to just be around strong men like you, Jack.
People like Charlie Kirk, ironically, that could lead him and shape him and sometimes check him and teach him to use his desire to be a man and to stand up for what he believed was right in a more cogent and productive way.
So a person can absolutely be mentally ill, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to feed to an insanity plea because I don't think that there's a lack of competency that his mental illness, if it exists, could be used to suggest.
Right.
So what you're, and I want to break this down because I know for a fact almost that, you know, that, you know, this is certainly going to be the way that they try to, you know, go for life in prison or potentially there's been some talk about, you know, not officially, but I've had a lot of commentators saying, well, what if there's going to be a plea deal to take the death penalty off the case,
like we saw in the Brian Koberger case up in Idaho and other situations where it looked like a conviction was going to be likely.
Then what you're saying, though, because of his lack of, or I should say no, because of his direct knowledge of what he was doing, because of his understanding of right and wrong, because we, you know, take all of the, you know, the psychology of, okay, why was he involved in this stuff?
Why was he looking at this stuff online?
He still understood what he was doing.
He understood what he was doing and he made a direct decision to.
And by the way, he created this plan.
He was hiding the gun under his, you know, under his clothing.
This was no act of passion is what I'm trying to say.
There's a lot of people who saw it.
It's extremely premeditated to the point where, and I suspect that there's going to be information coming out that this wasn't the first time that he had traveled to this campus, a campus that's hours and hours away from where he lived.
This was not the same part of Utah where he and Twiggs lived.
I think it was a three-hour drive each time that he visited.
So it's something that, and they say when you commit murder in a premeditated sense, you never commit the murder once, that you commit it over and over and over in your mind before you make that final act.
And that's clearly what he did here.
Yeah, in fact, I think some of the text messages, if they're accurate, in fact, he says that he's been planning this, you know, for about a week.
So it's not as if it were impulsive or an act of passion.
It's not as if he lacks intelligence.
And it's not as if he doesn't have the capacity to understand right and wrong.
So again, with the Brian Kohlberger case, I think there were some other issues where I think even his confession itself might have been part of a plea deal.
But my understanding is that Tyler Robinson, I don't know, has he actually even acknowledged already that he did this?
I'm not sure.
Do you know if he has any?
Well, I don't believe he has in court.
But what we do know is that he's obviously there's the text messages, there's the Discord chat where he comes into and says, hey, guys, I just wanted to let you know that was me yesterday.
And then we're also told that when his parents confronted him, he implied to them that it was in fact him.
And really his parents figured it out.
I mean, they, you know, they saw the gun.
It was a unique, recognizable rifle to them.
And then, of course, the fact that, and this is what I keep coming back to, because even beyond all of the, now, of course, they'll have to prove in court that, you know, the evidence, the DNA, et cetera.
But the fact that it was his parents that made the idea, not law enforcement, I think that makes a very strong case because what parent is not going to identify their own child?
Yeah, exactly.
And my goodness, we haven't even gotten into talking about, say, Lance Twiggs's, allegedly what his mother was allegedly doing as well with some of the Venmo payments.
Maybe we'll save that for another day.
But no, I definitely don't see Tyler Robinson being able to successfully plead to insanity because usually I think that that type of a plea deal would be offered if the prosecution needed to get it or if he actually had a legitimate case to plead insanity as the reason why he would have done this.
And I don't see either one of those being plausible here.
My hope and prayer is that he has to take full accountability for what he did.
I think that would be actually really good for society as well.
I think our society is organized better when people have a sense of accountability.
So, you know, I love Erica Kirk for forgiving him, but I also don't think that necessarily meant that she, you know, was arguing against the death penalty for him either.
Yeah, and Erica has mentioned this a few times publicly interviews with Fox News and the New York Times when asked about it, that, you know, she, I believe the line she used is that I don't want his blood on my hands.
And totally understandable because as a Christian, she wants to go to heaven and see Charlie again.
And, you know, at the same time, I come from the same perspective as you, where it's about correction for society.
And by the way, Charlie himself was in general a supporter of the death penalty on the very same grounds.
He points out that the Bible mandates it early on in even all the way back to the Torah, and that Charlie pointed out that it is the proper corrective for society.
And I love the way that he put it, and I tweet this out sometimes, where he said, it's not just about punishing the victim or punishing the perpetrator.
It's about showing society that the victim's life had value.
And that's really what it all is, isn't it?
That we learn to value each other as individuals, even if we disagree, that we can still at least agree that we each do have that value.
Exactly.
And there's also an element of deterrence.
That's another one of the points of our justice system in the first place.
I think that Trump in this case or another case called for a swift and public execution.
I think that might have been for the murder.
But to be fair, he calls for that in every case.
Yeah.
But I do think that there is, again, a value in that, you know, for the fact of deterrence and, you know, for the fact of ownership of justice, that it shouldn't be something, you know, that has to be done, you know, in private.
I also, frankly, don't think it should necessarily have to be something that happens with some kind of a painless euthanasia procedure either.
I mean, I think that there is value in the world.
Charlie talked about this and we did a show together and people have clipped it up, but he talked about this the exact same way you are.
Dr. Chloe Carmichael, where can people go to follow you and get the book?
Thanks, Jack.
FreespeechToday.com.
That's free speechetoday.com.
I'd love to connect with people there for my book, for my social media, and for little groups about the importance of free speech.
Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.
