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Aug. 21, 2025 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec

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Deal or No Deal - Can Trump Get Putin and Zelensky to the Negotiation Table?

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	Well, folks, we're looking at, of course, the Ukraine-Russia situation.
	Deal or no deal.
	And we saw the momentum early on this week, which was huge.
	Of course, at the tail end of last week, their historicity, meeting, which came on Monday, just 48 hours later, where you had the heads of seven world leaders coming to the White House.
	France, Germany, Great Britain, Italy.
	They were all there.
	Ursula von der Leyen, even Alexander Stubb of Finland.
	But the question is, here's the question, will the deal So are the Europeans.
	Because all of those leaders are directly tied to election cycles.
	They're also directly tied to the current public opinion of the time.
	The Russians don't have that.
	So the Russian leadership is looking at this from the long game perspective.
	And from the long game perspective, they're saying, what kind of deal, what kind of assurances can you give us?
	What do we want?
	By the way, I mentioned yesterday how they want to bring the United Nations in.
	They said UN Permanent Security Council, which would include China.
	Z So again, when it comes to these things, and I had the opportunity, real honor, by the way, to be able to sit in that new media seat in the White House and ask the question of our press secretary, Carolyn Levitt, to say, well, when we say security guarantees, what do we mean?
	Can we elaborate on this?
	And the devil is in the details, and the devil certainly is in the details here.
	Because when it comes down to it, a security guarantee from the West means that that country, whether it be the United States, France, England, Germany, you've got to roger up and deploy troops to be willing to go to war with Russia and no country not even Poland has been willing to do that over the last three and a half years are we gonna get a deal or not we'll see we've got General Flynn coming up next I'm gonna get his take on it Human
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	General Flynn, how are you?
	I'm doing great, Jack.
	Thanks.
	Thanks for having me on.
	It's a very, very important day here.
	And I was listening to the earlier part of the show about the lack of murders in our capital, which is where I'm at right now.
	And it's sad that we even have to report on that, but we do.
	So good on Trump for doing what he did.
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	And I can't wait to see that ride along later today.
	I'm sure that's going to be quite the entourage he'll have with him security-wise.
	But hopefully, hopefully he won't need as much as usual.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Well, I'm actually here in Washington, D.C. I had a great meeting with the Secretary of Defense this morning on some other issues, but very important time that we are in right now.
	A lot of things still coming out from the DNI and I think DOJ over the weekend.
	So a lot of things happening.
	In addition to, I know what you wanted to talk about really was this deal or no deal, right?
	Are we going to get a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine and frankly, Russia and the West, as we saw Trump meeting with damn near half of the European Union and NATO the other day.
	So I think where we're at right now and one little piece of of of Intel and I i'm not sure a lot of people tracked a breach it was a cybersecurity attack against ukraine recently like recently being the last 96 hours and there was a range of data.
	One of the points of data was the number of killed in action over the last three years.
	The records of the deceased were actually part of the attack.
	And we're looking at 1.7 million people that have been killed in this war just in the last three years alone.
	So during the Biden administration, so when President Trump says, we got to stop the killing.
	I mean, he, you know, the numbers of deceased that we that were reported on.
	And then now from this breach of this cyber attack, and we don't sure who exactly did it yet, whether it's the Russians or whether it's the Chinese or whether it's internal, no clue yet.
	But the numbers of killed in action, civilians and military, is just staggering.
	So there has to be some recognition of those numbers to, you know, for those that are trying to come to grips with how do we achieve a long-lasting peace deal, right?
	Not a ceasefire.
	that they typically don't end well, but a long-term peace agreement.
	And I do think that there's going to be some security guarantees that are going to have to be given to Ukraine.
	I've called for, Jack, I've called for an election, an immediate election in both Ukraine, and in that election, a referendum of sorts for not only the president of the country of Ukraine, but also a referendum on what the people in those Eastern Donbasses want to do.
	Give them a choice, right?
	We want to have people given the freedom to to choose you know where where they stand uh you give those people a choice as well we we can do those things we've set those kind of international elections up we've monitored them the united states of america there's nobody does it better if we have the right people and we're not trying to sway a country one direction or another.
	So those are just a couple of things that need to be considered as we go forward in coming up with a peace negotiation and a peace deal.
	Never mind the, I think what can be huge, huge benefits will be an economy.
	And we have the best president in our history to be at the helm right now in the United States to come up with probably one of the best economic deals between not only Ukraine and Russia, but between Russia and Europe and Russia and the rest of the world.
	So there's so much at stake there.
	The other thing that I have asked for and I've spoken about is I kind of call it a mini Marshall Plan.
	Most people don't remember the Marshall Plan post-World War II, where we rebuilt all of Europe.
	So we would have to come up with some type of mini Marshall plan, if you will.
	And I know that that's on the table, not necessarily in that name, but a reconstruction effort inside of Ukraine.
	And frankly, you could help out Russia as well because there's been some things that have been destroyed in there.
	too, but some type of a mini martial plan that is part of this long-term peace agreement that allows people to come together and rebuild and retool what it is that we need to have not only in Eastern Europe but certainly globally and certainly for all of Europe to stop this fighting.
	We have to stop this fighting to stop this killing.
	Neither side, Jack, can afford it any longer.
	The manpower's not there.
	The economies are not there.
	And more attrition is not in anybody's benefit.
	except for, except for probably the CCP.
	I think that one of the great beneficiaries here is China.
	So let me stop there if you have any questions.
	So the question I have is going back to, and I asked Press Secretary Caroline Levitt about this on Tuesday in the White House, is also an elaboration of these security guarantees, because we hear from some reports that they're talking about Article 5-like guarantees.
	We hear NATO, but no NATO.
	President Trump says unequivocally, no U.S. troops on the ground, possibly some air.
	But when it really comes down to it, doesn't this all run up against the deadlock of you're going to need some country then if you're providing those security guarantees you're going to need some country to be able to say that they're willing to go to war with Russia and be willing to put actual boots on the ground in a scenario like this.
	And I'm looking around and I just don't see anyone in Western Europe or the United States, quite frankly, that's going to be saying that they're willing to do so.
	Yeah.
	So a couple of things, Jack.
	First of all, Ukraine does not meet the conditions to join NATO.
	They just don't.
	They also do not meet the conditions to join the European Union.
	So those are pretty high standards.
	And there's still countries in the Balkans that are trying to join the European Union, but they have not been able to because they can't meet the conditions to join that particular consortium.
	So that just put that in a box.
	Now what we're talking about is the potential to deploy military forces in some type of posture, maybe as a barrier force in between and in a sort of a no man's land between the two countries.
	So who was going to do that?
	Should and the question there is, should it be NATO or should it be the European Union?
	Because the European Union has a military force all of its own.
	So it doesn't necessarily, the answer doesn't have to be NATO.
	And I also want people to understand that as we go forward, one of the important parts of what is happening and what's been going on is that is the real the the destruction is is so monumental that there's going to have to be some sit down so you get you achieve a peace agreement but part of that peace agreement has to be a recognition that we are going to have to rebuild parts of that of that country in this case Ukraine
	and probably certainly elements along the border certain certainly some of the cities and towns along the border as well as even into the Crimea area so those elements is it the European Union that that should step in and help there is it the world?
	Is it countries like the Republic of Korea?
	Is it Japan?
	Are there other countries that step into this role?
	What I do not recommend is I do not recommend the United Nations stepping in because I think it would become a quagmire of sorts and it's the wrong direction to take.
	I think that there has to be a direct responsibility by Europe, by Europe, and I think principally the European Union more so than NATO.
	Because NATO is what it is.
	It has a high standard of coming and joining.
	It is a defensive charter.
	Article 5, like what does that mean?
	Does that mean if something happens, how do you prove that what happened happened?
	You know, then do you respond to it immediately?
	Do you, do you, do you, you know, gather the intelligence and you do the analysis as to what happened before you make decisions to deploy troops against, against, in this case, Russia?
	So big questions.
	And I do think that Europe, and that's why I'm so glad that Trump had that mini summit, really a European summit in the Oval Office, they're the ones that are going to have to take responsibility.
	I think President Trump is doing all he can to bring the capabilities, the intellect, and the resources of the United States to help where we can help.
	But we have other issues, and he knows this right here at home that have to be dealt with.
	Not only our border, not only our own streets and making them safe as he's done in Washington, D.C., but we've got to rebuild our military.
	We've got to retool our military.
	General Flynn, we've got a quick break coming up.
	Let's hold there.
	I want to hold you over after this because this is a thorny Gordian knot, if you will, the Odessian knot.
	President Trump, if anyone, can solve it.
	It will be him.
	Right back, Jack for Sylvie Cuman Events on Real America's Voice.
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	All right, Jack Pesovic back live here, Human Events Daily Washington, D.C. We're on today with General Michael Flynn.
	He just met with Secretary Hegseth.
	He's here in Washington, D.C. as well, getting up to speed and briefed in on a lot of different things that are going on, talking about rebuilding the force.
	But General Flynn, I wanted to get into, and if we could from a military intelligence perspective, since we do have your expertise with us and you've been gracious with your time, when you look at the battlefield right now, and this is something that I've brought up again and again with my contacts in DC as well as when I was on this trip up to Anchorage and then back in the White House for this multilateral, the MIDI summit.
	The military situation on the battlefield, it's favoring the Russians at this point.
	And so when we're talking about this deal, I think everyone needs to remember that the Russians either have to agree or disagree.
	And right now, there's a lot of people to the right of where Putin is right now in the Kremlin saying, why make a deal at all?
	Why not just keep going, take Odessa, work our way up the river to Kiev, and just be done with the whole thing?
	Because we've had deals, we've had Minsk accords and Budapest agreements and memorandums, and they never seem to be followed.
	So why not just go for the whole thing?
	And it seems to me that it's easier for the Russians to walk away right now than it is for us, and they seem more willing to.
	Yeah.
	And I wrote about this the other day where I said, you know, to the victor goes the spoils in war.
	But in this case, the victor so far is Russia.
	And so you're exactly right to raise this issue because the Russians may not hold the moral high ground, but they hold the ground.
	They're in a much better posture militarily than the Ukrainian military.
	Now, when you talk about an array of forces, when you look at the size and scale and capabilities of the Russian military compared to the Ukrainian military, it's much different.
	And despite all of the potential equipment sales and provisions that have been given to the Ukrainians, they are running out of fighting age males because of the number of losses that they have had.
	had, and frankly, the defections.
	And that's one of the indicators that you look for from a military intelligence perspective.
	You look at the morale inside of the opposing force that you're facing, and I can tell you the morale inside the Ukrainian military is not high.
	And the fact that they're now having to force much older men, in this case, 60-year-olds and above, to come into the military to be able to fight on the front lines.
	So I don't know if Russia has the ambition.
	There are probably probably some on the far right in Russia, far right of Putin that, that means really far right, that want to go and take over Kiev and, and, and.
	and and and all of Ukraine.
	But I actually think that there is A group around Putin that says, look, we hold this ground right now.
	We're in a really strong negotiating position.
	We want to maintain what we have and basically hold what we have and keep that as our strategy and not necessarily threaten all of Europe, which the Russians don't have the capability to do that.
	So anyone that says, well, you know, NATO is worried about Russia attacking across the plains of Europe, that's not the Warsaw Pact anymore.
	They don't have the rear ran the capacity, the capability to do that.
	They have barely the capability to do what they're doing in Ukraine, but they hold the ground right now and and you know you use the the term odessian knot that people need to pay really close attention because odessa crimea and the black sea are parts of this deal that russia desperately needs because there is an economic angle to this and to this war that's where president trump i i've said for a long time and and maybe this may be my bias as
	a navy guy but you know when i when i look at the port city of odessa the uh the dardanelle strait the mouth to the black sea i say no this is everything this is everything right here it is probably the most strategic point that the Russians have ever held, and it's something that we're going to have to deal with.
	We have to work with them.
	There's still control mechanisms within the Black Sea.
	You mentioned the Dardanelles, of course, the Eastern Mediterranean.
	I mean, so when you look at the bigger picture here, Jack, it's not just these eastern provinces of Ukraine.
	There is a much bigger play here, and this is where we're going to have to try to figure out in a long term peace deal, what does that mean?
	Does it mean constant direct access by the Russian Black Sea fleet to be able to exit and enter the Dardanelles Strait to get into the Mediterranean and then operate in the East, at least in the eastern med i mean they they have not been able to do that for a long long time and they only started to do that back around probably 10 years ago when they brought their their black sea fleet out to actually support our operations against isis in syria when the united states of america and
	uh and the uh and the u.s military u.s military and russian forces were working together that was at the tail end of uh of really the the well actually it was probably the middle of of the obama administration so i mean there's so much history here that we have to and recent history that we have to understand to be able to have this negotiated settlement that has a long-term value to it, a long-term value proposition, not just something that is a ceasefire, which will end, you know, the next time somebody blinks the wrong way.
	So that map that you're showing is so meaningful.
	And I do know that there's some other things that are going to be in play here.
	I love the fact, and let me just throw this in because it matters.
	Trump's pressure on Venezuela right now, okay?
	Russia has a long term and they have, they have, you know, sites inside of Venezuela.
	Venezuela is right off of our borders here, folks.
	So this pressure that Trump is providing against Venezuela right now matters to these negotiations.
	This is why when people talk about 3D, 4D, 5D chess, Trump is a master at this and he's and he's got levers of power and levers of authority that he's able to exert when he goes in to bring these two, you know, these two presidents together.
	Last point, Jack, and I'll get off my high horse.
	In the Oval Office, there was a question to Zelensky about, well, you're, are you going to have an election again?
	You know, you declared martial law, right?
	And he says, well, no, we can't have an election until the war is over.
	Wait a second.
	You know, as I wrote about the other day that during the American Civil War, we've had elections.
	During World War II, we've had elections.
	So that's a misnomer for Zelensky to say that.
	To me, that means he's in a very weakened position.
	And the Russians know that.
	I believe that Europe knows that.
	He's in a weakened position because the people, and I think we talked about this maybe off camera, the people in Ukraine, it's 60, 70% in a recent Gallup poll that said, we don't want this.
	They want to negotiate and this thing.
	That's right.
	So we've got to run.
	I know you've got to run.
	You've got a number of meetings.
	I want to thank you for being so gracious with your time.
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	Thank you.
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	All right, Jack Pesopic, here we are back, Human Events Daily, Washington, D.C. We're talking about deal or no deal.
	What is the situation?
	Does it seem like the deadlock, the diplomatic deadlock is locked in?
	Or will President Trump, ironically, be going to Alaska to thaw the ice?
	Well, he certainly has thawed it in a sense with Russia.
	The question is, will he be able to get Europe?
	to come along.
	I wanted to get Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer on right now.
	We just had General Flynn give us his sit rep and I wanted to bring Tony Schaefer on now.
	Lieutenant Carl Schaefer, how are you?
	Hey, I'm well.
	Jack, always great to join.
	Thanks for having me.
	Oh my gosh.
	So Tony, you know, I always tell people that every time I have you on, I just, you've got to take the biggest victory lap ever because Tony Schaeffer was the one who told us, look to the end of July.
	The end of July is when all of Ukraine is going to blow up.
	There's going to be counteroffensives.
	There's going to be all this stuff going on.
	And nobody in the world was talking about it except for Tony Schaeffer.
	And that's exactly what happened.
	Not only did we see that breakout by the Russian forces, but it also triggered what?
	A worries about a collapse in Ukraine and then this huge monumental historic swing of diplomatic meetings with President Trump, Vladimir Putin, and the multilateral mini summit at the White House.
	So kudos to you, Tony, for just nailing that.
	Thank you.
	So, Tony, when, and we're just playing a clip of the summit there.
	So, Tony, when, you know, when you look at things, you know, you saw that at the beginning of summer, you saw that this would be an inflection point.
	Where do you see things as it stands now?
	Well, to summarize a the military situation, it's dire for Ukraine.
	I don't think people fully understand it.
	I think President Trump has people around him who are not quite being honest with him regarding how bad it is, the whole Pork Trotsky encirclement.
	Anybody can go.
	There's a number of outlets which are covering this.
	And the Russians, while they're not anxious to get it done, they are getting it done.
	And they're strangling off the last effective forces.
	Azov Brigade is there deployed.
	The Azov Brigade is being essentially used as kind of a stopgap to stop the inevitable.
	It's just coming.
	And once it happens, it's going to happen.
	Once it happens, it's going to be catastrophic for the Ukrainian military.
	There's been some leaked documents, which I don't necessarily think are completely accurate, but there are indications that finally the word is out about the enormous losses of Ukraine.
	And Jack, we've talked about this from the beginning of the war.
	The Russians have an order of magnitude more people to throw at this, and they don't have to do it all at once, and they're not.
	So I think that Putin, Vladimir Putin probably had a private conversation with President Trump saying, look, this is all over.
	We're kind of holding back because we don't see the need to be aggressive to the point of where we have to go to the Dneper, but we're going to continue to move forward.
	And I think that's the military situation.
	The diplomatic situation, the Europeans, Jack, continue to drag their feet.
	You saw Mertz, the German Chancellor saying, oh, we want this ceasefire.
	Nobody's going to go for a ceasefire at this point that who understands the situation.
	And the Russians most certainly will not because they're winning.
	So I think that's the situation.
	And the question becomes, will President Trump have the force of will, I'd like to believe, within the next 10 days to get Vladimir Putin and Vladimir Zelenskyy together in a room somewhere where they can sit down and hash out the two issues which remain.
	What exactly does security guarantees mean?
	Because that's the big issue.
	And secondly, what land is going to go where regarding the outcome?
	And I know there continues to be this reluctance to give up the land the Russians hold, but I just don't see any way out of giving some land to the Russians.
	So that's the way I see the situation right now.
	And it really comes down to it.
	And I've seen I saw one report earlier this morning saying that Zelensky is at least privately conceding that he likely will have to say, have to agree to a frozen conflict along at least the contact line where it is now, which is strikingly similar to those old maps of Novorossiya, this idea of New Russia or Mala Russia, like the little Russia that they would show.
	You go back to the Russian Civil War.
	This was very much the same area where the White Army was able to make some of their final stand against the Bolsheviks.
	So these are cities.
	These are, and when I say cities, I mean, you know, towns, villages, farmlands that have seen war after war after war.
	So in the Russian Civil War, which of course in this program I've talked about at great length as well as of course world war two many of the same area i mean when people look at a map you know the battle of kursk it happens right there and then stalingrad is really not much further to uh to the east of of donbass and i think people need to remember that that donbass is sort of the door to uh it's not stalingrad anymore it's volgograd now but really the door to the volga and then that cuts you right up to moscow so this is key strategic land for
	the russians something that they fought for for a long long time and something that they take very seriously yeah and to that point i still see this entire engagement as a form of civil war i just don't believe we should have been ever involved to the level we are at this point.
	With that said, if anyone who looks at the Battle of Kursk, the Battle of Stalingrad, once those major engagements were done, once the Russian military had open field, they took it.
	And I mean fast.
	So I keep hearing Keith Kellogg and others say, well, you know, they've been at war for three years and they've not made a lot of gains.
	They don't have to.
	The basic philosophy and strategy is attrition.
	They want to demilitarize Ukraine, which is, and frankly, NATO as well.
	And that's what they've been doing.
	And the other thing, Jack, I find interesting is this whole idea of a security guarantee security force many of the european nations are not prepared to do anything i mean i think the british army right now is smaller than the mississippi national guard so uh i just don't know how the european militaries who were significant during the cold war have been reduced to probably one tenth of their size during that time and how the guarantee that you know how
	they want to put boots on the ground constantly jack it's insane And I think one of the things that has to be introduced to the conversation is reality.
	So much of what I see posturing from the Europeans is based on fiction.
	And I think President Trump has to be a lot more vigorous.
	I know he's trying to be polite and diplomatic.
	And he did call out Mertz, but he's got to be a lot more direct about what he, President Trump, wants regarding an end state.
	Because left to the devices of both sides, it's never going to happen.
	He's got to be the leader.
	He's got to set up the framework.
	And he's got to say, this is what has to be done and go with that.
	I think that's the only way this is going to be resolved.
	You know, in fact, and if you look at that video when they're all sitting there around the table in the multilat, when Mares brought that up about, oh, and we're going to push for a ceasefire and we need a ceasefire.
	We need the preconditions for the ceasefire before.
	before we move to peace talks, you see Maloney just gives him the eye roll.
	Right.
	Just like, what are you talking about here?
	And then Trump kind of looked at him with the side eye and says, you know, I've done.
	you know, six, seven peace deals in wars all around the world.
	And none of them followed this standard of a ceasefire and then a peace deal.
	We just went right to the peace deal.
	And I have to commend the president as well for just having that willingness to say, we're going to cut through all this bureaucratic red tape.
	This is, it's very, by the way, very old world to have to go through multiple layers of bureaucracy to get to a deal here.
	And I think someone at one point in the meeting said, oh, let's try to get the date on the books for a month from now for the next meeting.
	He goes, a month, a month.
	No, let's call him right now.
	And he calls Putin right in the middle of the meeting.
	Yeah.
	Well, see, to me, this was a bringing back of the tv show the apprentice the european edition where he's basically exactly i love that think about this i have never seen and i talk to a lot of reporters about this too they have never seen every major leader in europe drop everything and show up in dcc because of your your point these visits are normally planned out uh incrementally over like six months and everything is very work straight.
	No, basically we're going to have a talk.
	If you want to talk, you show up, you be at the table.
	Otherwise, we're moving on.
	And I think, Jack, that's what's got to continue.
	You can't show no fear to the Russians.
	You can give no deference to the Europeans because either side's going to bog you down.
	So you got to continue to go forward.
	And again, that's why I think it's so important that President Trump.
	personally call for Zelensky and Putin to meet with him somewhere next week, maybe Budapest.
	Well, and you've heard Budapest has a potential, although Zelensky, I've also heard, is really throwing cold water on that because you've got a huge they've a really big row between them and the Hungarians some talk about and I saw the two foreign ministers going back and forth we've got a quick break coming up we can get into that a little bit but uh some real questions about the bombing of a pipeline going from Ukraine into Hungary that was providing the gas and the Hungarians coming out and saying Peter Siarte,
	the foreign minister who I've interviewed on this program, has said, wait a minute, you know, we're not getting bombed by the Russians.
	We're getting bombed by the Ukrainians.
	So you don't just get to turn around and blame the other guys for that.
	You're the ones who did it.
	So you're already seeing a lot of this regarding Budapest.
	So we'll see.
	We'll see if Budapest is a likely option.
	I think if President Trump wants to get it done, I know he'll be able to get it done.
	I'll be right back here.
	Jack Posobiec, Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer, Human Events Daily on Real America's Voice.
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	And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.
	And we're going to turn it around and make our country ready.
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	All right, Jack Bishopic, we're back on live here, human events daily.
	And here's what we're getting out from, I'll just read a couple of the headlines on Ukraine-Russia.
	So Russia saying Ukraine is not interested in long-term peace.
	The Guardian, and, you know, of course, take it with a grain of salt, but The Guardian saying Trump is stepping back from Russia and Ukraine peace talks for now, according to their sources.
	Reuters coming out and confirming what I said, let's see, two days ago now in the White House press briefing room, they're saying, by the way, I love this.
	Reuters claims it's an exclusive.
	I said this in the press briefing room two days ago.
	They're saying, Putin says, Putin demands Ukraine, give up Donbass, no NATO, and no Western troops.
	Interesting, because pretty sure somebody said that in the White House press briefing room a couple of days ago, but that's all right.
	That's all right, Reuters.
	You can have your fun.
	Europeans back Zelensky in Washington, et cetera, et cetera.
	People are talking about slow walking it now.
	So I want to go back to Tony Schaeffer here.
	Lieutenant Col Schaeffer, you know, what we're talking about in terms of this military situation is really the onus isn't on the Russians.
	The onus is.
	is on everyone who wants peace because the Russians, I think, have made it pretty clear that if they want to hold this conversation with Ukraine, they're doing so on the battlefield and certainly every night.
	And they're not holding up.
	They hit this factory last night.
	And people are arguing about what exactly it was, but apparently it was some U.S. ties to the company that was involved in the defense sector there.
	We know, of course, the U.S. has been supplying weapons to Ukraine since the very start.
	So there's no surprises there.
	But it really seems though that like I said to General Flynn, it's much easier for the Russians to walk away from this than it is for us and the Europeans?
	Well, that's the issue.
	The Russians will insinuate a military solution unless something else is acted upon.
	And they will not be acted upon.
	They are acting.
	And this is where I think Putin and Jack, you were there.
	Look, Putin showed a great deal of respect to President Trump.
	I think it's absolutely correct that Putin would not have invaded.
	I think Joe Biden opened that door by saying that we, the United States, would accept a limited incursion.
	Well, that's kind of what happened.
	So I think at this point, it's going to come down to the power of personality and trying to put these things, these guys in the same room.
	And the other thing that happened today is Zelensky, basically, it was, I think Lavrov said that they, the Russians, believe that the Russian-speaking provinces need to be Russian, and they would accept that.
	That's an acceptable outcome.
	And of course, Zelensky immediately vetoed it, saying, no, everything is Ukrainian, then they will speak Ukrainian.
	that's part of the problem.
	So again, I think there is nothing And unless, and again, I agree with President Trump, we need to do something.
	to stop the unneeded debt.
	People and Ukrainians are dying, Jack, on a daily basis for no good reason.
	The war is over.
	And I think this is where we have to find a way to force the Ukrainians to understand putting your people forward in their 60s and under 20, yeah, it's not a good look and it's not going to gain them anything militarily.
	And I hope President Trump can make that point.
	Well, and I'm also looking that Professor John Mearsheimer is out again.
	And he's been saying this quite a bit lately, but he's out again in first post right now saying that he doesn't think that a deal is possible not from the US and Russian side but again from the Ukrainian and European side he says that the two countries are poles apart talking about Ukraine and Russia no compromise acceptable to both sides is in sight and even though president trump has made these incredible diplomatic flourishes his personal diplomacy
	is not going to substitute for hard military realities and says that ultimately this conflict will be decided on the battlefield well Well, again, unless otherwise directed by President Trump, unless he's able to insinuate himself, yeah, the outcome is going to be a military one.
	And it's not going to be one that the Ukrainians like.
	The Russians, if they so choose, would, I think, easily be able to partition Ukraine into two halves.
	Go once they're done with the current line of contact, they could go all the way up to the Dnieper.
	essentially forcing a partition.
	And then there's Odessa.
	Odessa is something still that the Russians would like to have.
	And if I were the Ukrainians, I'd thank my lucky stars that they don't have it yet and of course the europeans want to put boots on the ground into odessa and some other places again jack i think the europeans are way out of their league uh the europeans i think have been the biggest deterrent that meeting that you attended with the president and and putin should have happened uh three months ago but it was because of their obstinacy and unwillingness to be reasonable i think it delayed it to this point given if you leave it
	to them they will delay it another three months and i don't think ukraine has three months left to go Tony, when you're looking at these, what's interesting to me is they're talking about these four fortress cities in the Donbass region, that last piece of Donetsk that has yet to fall.
	And these are really the most fortified pieces of it.
	And you've been coming on here talking about the importance and strategic importance of these cities in this area because these are the last fortifications all the way up to the river.
	And now the media hasn't talked about this at all until suddenly this week when the Russians are saying just pull out of those cities and let us have them.
	Now all of a sudden the media is admitting that actually those are the last four cities that are left and there are really no defensive fortifications between there.
	That's Kramatorsk and Slavyansk and the rest all the way up to the river.
	I said, wait a minute.
	That's what Tony was saying the entire time.
	And they when when they said that we were the ones that were spouting propaganda.
	Now they all admit it.
	Yeah, I know.
	Well, it's been the issue is that mainstream media has always reported aspirations, not reality.
	And their aspirations were the Russians are losing.
	There's no chance they're going to break out.
	It's been a fiction.
	And I think this is where the American public has been badly served.
	But there's been a handful of networks.
	You and I work for two that have, I think, been up front and trying to tell the truth about the reality.
	And yet we've been the ones who, you know, were pro-Russian for speaking the truth.
	I know it's insane.
	But I think that's the situation right now.
	They can no longer hide it.
	It's obvious.
	And if those cities fall, which, again, I think it's just a matter of weeks, they will not be able to hide that reality.
	And it's interesting.
	There was something in The Washington Post, I think one of the local D.C. publications saying, well, if Donbass falls, that means that the Russians have a gateway connection.
	into all of europe it's like that's like saying if uh If New Jersey invades New York, Oklahoma is going to fall.
	No, it's not related.
	It's not relatable.
	Europe is not in danger.
	Europe is in danger by poking the bear without being prepared defensively to do anything about it should the bear decide to do something.
	That's the insanity of this, Jack.
	Again, if you just look at the numbers and the current readiness status of every major European nation, France, Germany, England, Italy, they don't have any capability to actually do what they proposed that they would do, which is be an actual 911 boots on the ground deterrent against Russia.
	So I don't know what they're smoking, but it's time again for President Trump to kind of force, insinuate the truth on the discussions and all these leaders and force them to understand what's going on.
	my god.
	And that's really what it comes down to.
	Who knows?
	Maybe he's going on his ride along in DC today.
	Maybe he can send some of these leaders on a ride along of Odessa or ride along of Mikhailiev like we did on Human Events Daily three years ago, over three years ago now, right after the war started and saw the destruction and the devastation up close of what's going on and saying, guys, this thing's only ending in one direction.
	And for the people who live there, they are not being served by continuing the war.
	Tony Schaefer, where can people go to follow your content?
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	Jack, you're going to be invited to come on.
	We're going to do some stuff on 9-11, which I think you may want to participate in next month.
	So we're going to have some fun.
	Get our mutual friend Kurt Weldon, one of my first bosses in politics on Talk About Politics.
	He's going to be on too.
	We're going to be talking a lot about politics.
	We'll be there.
	We'll be there.

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