July 11, 2025 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 90 — The Epstein Nothingburger? Death by DEI? Celebrity AI Scams?
Slow news week, eh? Charlie, Jack, Tyler, and Blake dive into the debate about Jeffrey Epstein that is splitting the base. They ask what can be done to restore harmony, then ask: -Did DEI up the death toll in the Texas floods? -Will AI celebrity deepfakes trick your parents into giving away all their money? -What's the most objectionable part of Zohran Mamdani, and why is it him eating rice with his bare hands? -What is the "4 a.m. Club" and is it the female liberal Qanon? -Did Fruit of t...
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Well, folks, we're back here.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard for another edition of Thought Crime Thursday.
Jack Pesobic here, Charlie Kirk, is going to be joining us in just a minute.
He's flying in, but it's been, you know, pretty quiet week around here.
You know, go around the horn, you know, not much in the news, but I believe we have Blake and Tyler.
What's up, guys?
Howdy.
Yeah.
Has anything happened this week?
Yeah, not a lot.
I mean, we're just going to be able to do it.
The biggest news, the biggest news, you know, ahead of SAS, we're going to SAS this weekend, Turning Point Student Action Summit over at Tampa, Florida.
Super excited.
But the biggest news, of course, was, guys, case closed on Jeffrey Epstein.
My goodness, you know, we all were waiting for the answers.
And boy, did we get all the answers that we were looking for and promised?
And gosh, I can't even think of any more questions that I have.
Nope, I'm satisfied.
This one is case closed.
Time to move on.
What do you say, folks?
Turns out that binder was the end of the road.
Yeah.
That's what it was actually.
Yeah.
It was like we went and everything that was in there.
Man, that was exactly what was promised.
Full transparency.
There's nothing else for us.
Full transparency.
Total transparency.
Yeah.
And I mean, look, you know, it's, it's, I get that this has been like a debate.
And I think this is something, obviously, Charlie's been talking about all week.
Obviously, like, like Dana Bash is on CNN, like playing clips of me talking about it this week regarding some of my comments regarding our illustrious attorney general.
And, you know, look, part of this, though, I think is it's the calm strategy part of it too.
It's like the way like the way you communicate and the way that you treat people.
And, you know, it's, it's been a huge issue.
But look, when it comes down to it, you know, this, this isn't good enough.
And I think that's really the bottom line is this is just not good enough.
And when you're, when you're in public life, you, you know, you can, you can set expectations.
You always have to set expectations.
But, you know, my, my rule of thumb, if I'm trying to set expectations, is under promise, over deliver.
Under promise, over deliver.
Jack, before you, let's actually play that clip of yours.
I think it'd be pretty good.
Let's get, let's, let's show clip 379.
Oh, we have it?
That led to a lot of frustration online and elsewhere among people who are pretty influential with the MAGA base.
Here's just a sampling.
G says that we don't need to hear about Jeffrey Epstein ever again.
You know what this sounds like?
I'm going to tell you exactly what this sounds like.
Pam Bondi sounds like Hillary Clinton right now.
If you're MAGA, those are fighting words to talk about Pam Bondi as Hillary Clinton.
Hillary Clinton.
Oh my God.
That is like quite the slur.
Holy cow.
Yeah, no, look, I knew that that would be effective for a number of reasons.
But, you know, not only because Hillary, of course, as we know, and the Clintons were directly involved with Epstein, but this also this idea that it was Hillary.
Remember, Hillary was someone who was saying that, oh, oh, on Benghazi, you know, at this point, what difference does it even make?
What difference does it even make?
This was this famous, you know, and I actually had a couple of reporters reach out to me after I did this, you know, this clip, and they said, what do you mean she sounds like Hillary?
What does that mean?
So the left doesn't even understand how big of a phrase that is on the right.
This was something that even decades later, that, you know, even decades later that we still talk about, what it means is that Hillary Clinton during the Benghazi debacle, when people were asking, why didn't you deploy the quick response force?
Why didn't you deploy all of these assets that we had around the Mediterranean and other parts of the Middle East when Benghazi was under attack from this huge terrorist attack just weeks before the election in 2012?
Why didn't you or the Barack Obama deploy these forces, which by the way, you don't need the president's order to do that.
You can just, you know, they would just deploy automatically.
She flips out in the house and says, at this point, what difference does it even make?
And just starts banging the table.
And I said, man, that's what it sounds like what I'm getting from the attorney general right now.
I believe, I believe, guys, do we have Charlie?
Is Charlie in now?
I am here.
Hello.
And I'm wearing my Rush Was Right t-shirt.
Dude, I need one of those t-shirts.
We're not getting a t-shirt.
By the way, we're going to sell out.
It's like the most popular one we ever made.
Rush was right.
People love it.
Oh, yeah.
Like, if you don't say that, true story.
We're going to have a true story.
My uncle brought a bunch of books to our 4th of July thing, just like old books.
And someone has a prank, had given him the 1996 Al Franken book, attacking Rush Limbaugh.
Obviously, it says a lot of nice things about Rush Limbaugh, but the real, I looked at it and what was fascinating was just what a time capsule it was, like what stuff people cared about.
He spends a lot of the book talking about, I believe, Phil Graham.
I don't know the last time I've thought about Phil Graham.
What is Phil Graham?
He was a Republican contender for the presidency in 1996.
I can't even remember what office he was.
Wait, hold on.
No, you mean the guy from Tennessee, right?
Maybe.
I actually can't remember who.
You mean the reverse mortgage guy?
Maybe.
No, you mean Fred something.
No, no, there's William Philip Graham.
It was an American.
He represented Texas.
And wow.
Yeah.
He's still alive.
Wow.
He started as a Democrat, switched to the Republicans.
Fred Thompson.
Yeah, you're thinking of Fred Thompson.
No, this is Phil Graham, 1996.
He was a presidential nominee contender.
And man, I don't know if he's.
He referred to the 2016 election as scary because he didn't like Trump very much.
But no, he's like this guy getting really singled out in this 1996 Al Franken book.
So sorry about the detour there.
The things they used to worry about.
So I do want to ask, so Blake, you are, obviously, Blake, you believe that Epstein killed himself.
Probably.
That he wasn't as bad as people thinking.
Well, no, no, hold on.
That makes it sound weird.
No, what I would say is I've always been open.
Defend yourself.
I have always been open to the, I call it the unconspiracy for Jeffrey Epstein.
Okay.
So obviously he's been a figure for like 20 years at this point.
There have been like rumors swirling about Epstein, these claims that he did, you know, sweeping blackmail, that he did all this predatory stuff.
And of course, allegedly linked with, you know, our intelligence or someone else's intelligence, you can go on.
And I've thought, what if the answer to it is the unconspiracy, that Epstein was a charismatic guy?
So he was very good at make, and maybe even like a really good liar.
So he was very good at making people think he was wealthier than he was, although he was still queerly wealthy, that he was more connected than he was.
He maybe was very good at making people think he had these ties to intelligence.
And what you'll find if you like look dig into history is people like that are kind of a recurring feature of life.
I don't want to name him because he's a bit litigious, but like there's a guy in kind of right-wing circles who like would always tell people like he was linked to the FBI.
And it appears that he was just constantly making that up.
So maybe what you have with Epstein, for example, is, oh, he's getting in trouble with Florida as he was back in the late 2000s, but he's able to use his connections to sort of make everybody think, oh, this guy's linked with intelligence.
We shouldn't delve too deep into that.
And so what you have is a guy who he associated with a lot of rich people.
And he did, you know, obviously he pursued underage girls, but maybe all of the additional stuff, all of the blackmail traps is not as spectacular as people were hoping.
The best argument, and I'd like Jack, that this is overblown.
Again, I'm not taking any position on this, is that all these law firms like Boise, Schiller, and others, they were very invested in trying to find a criminal network here, and they were unable to do that, basically.
I mean, with dozens of clients and years of work, lawyers sued all of just two celebrities, Alan Dershowitz, who they had to apologize to in a $0 settlement when the only person accusing him turned out to be unreliable and someone who the government couldn't dare to call to stand trial, and Prince Andrew, who settled with exactly one punitive victim, lucky enough to get a photo with him, probably finding it cheaper than the reputation and inconvenience of being dragged into America in a headlines for a month in a he said, she said case.
The point, I guess there is an argument to be made that, this is your argument about Diet Coke, right?
That trial lawyers will eventually find out if there is fire.
Yeah.
Like there's this.
Would that be your You could make a lot of money if like if Bill Gates abused somebody meeting with Jeffrey Epstein?
Oh, you know, a guy who has $100 billion to soak from, and they can't find a victim.
They can't find any case to bring against him.
Something that as simple as if they had to settle to make the case go away, it's, yeah, it's the unconspiracy.
To me, it's not about that, though.
It's the fact that if Jeffrey Epstein was in trouble and he had all these really famous friends that he brought with him, right?
The immediate natural reaction would be for him to include all those people in the trouble that he's in.
And why would you kill yourself without having explained where all these people were that they came down?
Like, it just doesn't make any kind of sense.
Like, there's been so many particular pieces of evidence when someone kills themself that they almost always leave some kind of note or explanation or something to talk about.
And he basically sat quiet and silence and then didn't talk about any of this.
I guess one of the ways, so here is a piece of information that I think could be released that would not satisfy, Blake wouldn't care, but it would be interesting.
Who were the other prisoners on Jeffrey Epstein's cell block?
Right.
There's no reason why we should not have that information.
Everyone should know that.
Because basically their argument is, well, Jeffrey Epstein killed himself because no one was able to access the floor.
Okay, we agree.
That actually, I think, has been verified.
Got it.
Okay, so then if he were to have been killed by somebody else and did not kill himself, it would have had to have been a prison guard, highly unlikely, because, I mean, just, so then it's likely another prisoner.
And so then here's where it gets a little sus.
Every time someone tries to ask who the other prisoners are, they're like, sorry, that's a privacy violation.
Okay, so you guys have like a HIPAA law for prisoners or something?
Is there?
That's legit.
According to Tucker, he said that he's tried to find out who the other prisoners on the cell block were.
So that's a very important element.
Yeah.
How is that private, though?
What is the law that's apparently there's like a federal prisoner privacy act again?
Do you guys have to fact check me on this?
Every time someone has tried.
That's surprising.
And by the way, all those prisoners were like reassigned within days.
Oh, yeah.
But we still know.
There's a record somewhere.
Somebody knows who was on that cell block.
Well, it's not a long-term holding facility.
No, it's not.
No, of course.
But the point being is that there was somebody there.
And that somebody might be free now.
That somebody might have gotten some weird plea deal somewhere down the road.
So if you want to find a focus of this energy, kind of find the energy of who were the prisoners on Jeffrey Epstein's cell block.
Totally.
And I think that's part of what the harm is, is that I know Jack wants to come in here soon, so I won't go long, but it's that I think there was a lot of energy put into this, but it was very general energy.
And frankly, I think there's an issue where a lot of people like overpromise.
Like people just, they talked a lot about how, oh, we are definitely going to get to the bottom of this big conspiracy.
And that, frankly, has happened a good amount of times in like the wider conservative movement.
They'll really fixate on something, you know, Benghazi 10 years ago, or frankly, like the Crossfire hurricane stuff, any of the special investigators that they have going.
People get hyped up that there's going to be a big revelation that blows everything open.
People died.
People did die.
But like, I think people often get hyped that there will be more stuff that comes out.
And then when that doesn't happen, and most of the time it doesn't happen, they feel really betrayed.
Hold on.
Yes.
And so I think that's a good validation because, and I think this is important, that like transparency advocates who tend to be more libertarian online and young.
So people that care about transparency tend to skew more libertarian because skeptical of government power.
More young and online.
They voted for Trump in big numbers.
And their expectations were set very high.
And some administration officials said there was going to be like this massive dramatic release.
Does that make sense?
So again, I'm not going to be able to do that.
I mean, the client list.
The idea is there's like, oh, here's the 50 names.
So you have a built-in kind of, and I'm trying to explain this to some boomers.
I will say, though, that on our program, it is multi-generational.
The anger and the outrage is multi-generational, but I'd say the focus is just definitely the younger, the libertarian, the online folks.
They voted for Trump in like record numbers.
One of the main reasons is like, hey, at least this guy is going, you know, he got shot.
He's not, they're trying to get rid of him.
Like, you know, this whole thing.
And so then you had administration officials saying like, hey, I had the client list on my desk.
There's like a trunkload of stuff.
And it wasn't just one person.
It was several administration officials.
It was not just one.
Instead, it should have been like, hey, this could have been diffused by 99%.
This was my advice to them.
If they would have been like, guys, we just took office.
I don't want to get your expectations up, but we're starting to look through this.
This is honestly a little more lackluster and like give us some time to go through it.
It's going to take some time, but honestly, like it's not what you think it is.
If they would have just said that, it would have just been a huge diffusion.
Where does anger come from?
Where does anger come from when you vacation, when you go out to eat, when your expectations don't hit reality?
And so if you go to a nice restaurant, all of a sudden they serve you, you know, KFC, you're like, what the heck?
I'm paying a big or with movies.
I mean, you guys see this at airports when people's flights are delayed, right?
When expectations and reality are out of alignment.
Yep.
Well, you get carnival cruise line.
To your point, Charlie, one of the ways to diffuse this is like they could have done over the course of the last six months the work to say, here, we didn't find anything or there's issues here going on, but here are all the prisoners we're releasing.
Like the president could do that.
The president could come out and say, here are all the individuals that were on the block and we're investigating all these people to figure out what's going on with that.
That would have brought a lot more trust into the room for sure than doing it the way they did it.
Setting improper expectations and then blowing it up.
I know a little something about the way that it was done.
Having been, you know, the, well, I know that I was brought to the White House for a series of policy briefings and along with a number of other conservative individuals, Mike Cernovich is there, Scott Pressler was there, Saf Fernandez, the great Liz Wheeler, you know, DC Draino, just lives of TikTok.
Everybody knows, everybody knows these guys.
And we were told that we were going to be meeting with a group of cabinet secretaries, met with Secretary Rubio, with Secretary Kennedy, the great Bobby Kennedy.
We met with vice president and even the president himself actually did us the incredible honor of visiting.
But then when AG Bondi came in, she brought with her this set of binders and said, hey guys, you all want the Epstein files, right?
And we're sort of looking around going, well, no one said anything about Epstein on the agenda today, but sure, we all want to know that.
We were familiar with the story and we'd love to see them.
And then she directs her staff and says, well, guys, here's the Epstein files phase one, and I'm giving it directly to you.
And then immediately after that, we don't really have time to go through these huge binders with all these names in them.
And we can't quite figure out whether this is new stuff or old stuff.
And it turned out it was all old stuff.
These things were full of baloney.
But then right after that, we get pushed out through the portico entrance of the West Wing, right where the entire international media was assembled for Kirstahmer's visit.
And so we have all of these pictures of us with these binders that at that point, we were told that they were under embargo, that we couldn't look into them.
We couldn't report about them.
We couldn't even get it out there.
So again, if people want to talk about where did the hype come from, where was the hype train?
Well, it's again, this was the way that it was rolled out.
And we were always told that there's going to be phase two, phase three, phase four.
So by the time I actually looked through it, it took a couple of minutes to sit down and say, wait a minute, this stuff is already out before.
Where's the rest of it?
We kept being told over and over that more was coming, that it hadn't been declassified yet.
And it was just a complete break of trust, a complete and absolute break of trust, especially for a group of people like us who, look, we were invited there and we came because we wanted to help.
We came because we wanted to show support.
We wanted to do what we do every day.
But more importantly, we wanted to get justice for the victims and actually justice for the girls who were involved here.
So, you know, what can I say?
People ask, oh, are you angry?
So, yeah, I'm very angry.
I'm very angry because, you know, I feel like I was used for a political stunt.
So one idea I might have, what if a driving force of how kind of ineptly they did this with the phase two, phase three is whoever's involved in laying this out, it's probably not directly Pam Bondi or whoever deciding what their messaging is on this.
It might be someone lower.
What if the problem is they have a lot of really intense, like intense true believers at the second level?
So they kind of assumed there would be a lot more to it and like they overpromise because they themselves assume there will just be this treasure trove of info that they can get out and then they end up being extremely disappointed.
It's a possibility.
Yeah, I um Jack, what would make this right?
So, you know, I don't know, I think it can necessarily make it right in that sense.
I mean, a grave injustice was done to the victims.
Has anyone apologized to you?
To me?
No.
Yes.
Oh.
No.
Well, actually, I take that back.
I take that back.
When it comes to the Department of Justice, no.
When it comes to individuals who were involved in setting up the meeting, yes.
Yes.
There definitely were apologies, not just to me, but to everyone who was involved with that.
And it was very clear, by the way, that this binder stunt was not something that had been approved or socialized with the White House in any way.
And so, you know, but that being said, because they had called the meeting, the organizers from the White House side did say that they, you know, they expressed deep regret and were very sorry about the way that that all happened.
So yes.
So then what do you think can make this right?
What would be, I think a good action step is just tell us who the prisoners on Jeffrey Epstein's cell block were.
That we can learn.
The Bureau of Prisons has that information.
You know, that's something.
You know, I don't know that it necessarily gets to where people want.
Look, Charlie, the problem here, right, from just a PR perspective, right, from a comms perspective is that we're told everything's coming, everything's coming, everything's coming, everything's coming, and then boom, that it's nothing.
And wait, so you're not even going to release like some redacted document or some transcripts and some interviews and this information, that information.
And then the AG gets up and said, well, this is child porn.
We can't release it.
Nobody's asking you to release that.
My God.
Of course we're not asking you to release that.
But the next step is, okay, well, so were there information, was there interviews with these victims?
Did those interviews generate any leads?
What about the search warrant?
When Jeffrey Epstein was arrested the first time, by the way, by the Trump administration, which Trump never gets any credit for, that it was his administration that finally brought the actual charges against Jeffrey Epstein back in 2019, that why not declassify the search warrant?
What was on the search warrant?
What were they going for?
What was the probable cause?
What was uncovered?
What wasn't uncovered?
What could still possibly be out there?
Again, all of these things.
Remember, people remember what it was like going through RussiaGate and going through those investigations and the Crossfire Hurricane counter investigations.
And that's apparently generated some criminal referrals.
Okay, great.
We remember going through with a fine-tooth comb all of the text messages and all the rest.
But with this, we're just told that there's nothing.
And I honestly, it just seems ludicrous on its face that there would be nothing.
So you have to release something regarding the Jeffrey Epstein investigation and give people a piece of it.
No, I understand, by the way, obviously, you know, this idea that there's just a list of clients.
I mean, that's not how crime works.
That's not how criminal conspiracies work.
But the idea that there's nothing in terms of investigative files, or by the way, the original Jeffrey Epstein investigation, which was conducted by Mueller, even, you know, all the way back, way back when, out of the Southern District of Florida, where he was given the non-prosecution agreement, this NPA, which a judge in 2019 said was illegal in the first place, where are all the files from that investigation, which is well over a decade ago.
Charlie, everybody knows that these documents are out there and that the DOJ has them.
They're in the Southern District of Florida.
They're in the SDNY.
And if they have to be unsealed, then unseal them or make the movements to unseal them.
You have to release something.
You can't say there's nothing.
Final thoughts, guys?
I don't know.
I just think it'd be funny if this is what causes this massive fatal breakup.
I would say I would discourage people from demanding sweeping firings over this because it's easy to demand blood.
And then you're like, oh, now we need to spend six months confirming a new attorney general.
And we already have this giant backlog on everything.
We do have some good deputies.
We do, but what we also have is a very slow acting Senate that never does anything.
It's going to be 2027 when we finally get most of the positions filled.
Yeah.
Or they'll just never be filled.
Correct.
Okay.
Let's now go to the terrible tragedy in Texas and how DEI might have contributed to the death toll.
Yeah.
We are, I feel like we're the only ones hitting this.
Why is this not the national?
By the way, you know what's so weird?
Yeah?
No one on the left is calling me a liar or a racist tour.
They're just the media now just shot it again, which, you know, there are free publications.
They're like bizarrely ignoring this story.
Yeah.
So for people who didn't see the clip on our show the other day or our tweet, what's going on here?
So they have Chief Baker is the head of, I think Joel Baker is the head of the fire department in Austin, which is the nearest big city to where the floods have been going on in Texas.
So Kerrville, Texas is about an hour west of Austin.
And what his own firefighters are saying, the firefighter union in Austin is saying, is he could have pre-deployed a lot of Austin firefighter assets near Kerrville to be prepared because they knew this big storm was coming.
And apparently he did not do so.
According to the union, he did not do so because he was worried that it would just be a financial issue.
It would cost them too much money to do it.
And in fact, these deployments like this are just reimbursed by the state of Texas.
But he didn't understand the concept.
They were explaining this to him.
And apparently it could not get through his head that this was what was going on.
And okay, he's incompetent.
Incompetent fire chiefs happen.
But where the bonus follow-up to this is, is that a decade ago, the Obama administration sued the fire department in Austin.
They said they were discriminatory, as they love to do with police departments and everything else.
And so they reached a settlement.
Pressure was on.
And lo and behold, the next appointment the city made for head of their fire department was the first black head of their fire department.
He comes out, clip 347.
This two-time fire chief wants to make a difference in the growing city of Austin and tells us he wants to start by bringing in more diversity.
It's important that the Austin Fire Department, as much as we can, reflect the community in which we serve.
I mean, you get a more diverse fire department, and you have more people unnecessarily die.
You know, it's such a good idea.
Do we have that clip?
Because I remember I was watching this when it came out, because I guess the Austin Fire Association said they obviously knew about this from July 2nd, but they said they didn't want to say anything until the bodies, the recovery operations had started to wind down.
And so on Monday of this week is when they did it.
And that clip, and I think we're going to grab it here in a minute, that is where he, you can just hear the emotion in his voice.
He said, wait a minute, we have the best rescue swimmers in the world.
And we train for the hill country.
And we know this area from, you know, issues that have happened back in the 1980s here.
This is specifically what we train for.
And we go to this guy who's from Atlanta.
He's not even from Texas, who doesn't understand how bad it can get there, doesn't understand or care about all the kids that are there.
And I remember watching this clip going, why is nobody talking about this?
And then so I sent it to Bannon.
I'm just like sending it everywhere.
And it's like, I just don't get why.
Well, anyway, it's typical.
It just doesn't fit the narrative.
Yeah.
And it's just, I don't quite understand why there's just such silence on this.
And so, so Jack, walk us through the details.
How many lives potentially could have been saved here?
I mean, you know, Charlie, it's hard to say, but you have to imagine that if you have two of those boats, you know, and they could have been doing multiple runs to and from the disaster area.
Obviously, the first run, they'd be able to hand out life jackets, that type of thing.
They'd have rescue packs.
I mean, directly who they would have targeted for the first rescue, of course, would have been the little girls who were in this bunk down by the river.
I have a little bit of training in HADR operations, humanitarian, disaster relief from when I was in the Navy, just from an Intel perspective, because there's always a little bit of Intel input in all of these.
So I was not in those operations, but just from my basic knowledge from being in the military is that, of course, you would, and having been in the Navy, so obviously we focus on a lot of rescue swimming.
Even though, even though, shout out to my Coast Guard buddies, the Coasties really are the best of the best when it comes to that.
That, yeah, of course, women and children, right?
You're going to be focusing on that.
You obviously would go to those kids.
And even if you couldn't get them out first, you would have had the supplies for flotation devices.
You would have had supplies for potentially rubber rafts or anything.
They have one of the biggest swift boat crews.
They're considered the very, very best in Texas.
And Charlie, I mean, these deaths could have been, certainly for the kids, could have been in single digits had this order gone down or potentially even none, potentially even none.
You want to play Cut 380 here?
Let's play Cut 380.
Our firefighters are trained for that area.
Our firefighters have the equipment.
They have the desire.
They have the will.
They have the power to go up and actually, I know some of those girls could have been survived if we had had the best boat crew the day before on scene.
I know it.
I know it in my heart.
I know it as a battalion chief.
I know it as a former Swiftwater tech myself.
And the fact that we didn't do it and we let them down is just unconscionable.
It's just a terrible situation.
And we don't know based on what happened at Camp Mystic.
I doubt how many people could have been saved, but plenty of other people could have been saved.
Probably right.
Yeah.
And even if one person could have been saved, like, okay, why would you decide to hire based on diversity metrics and then eventually you get things like this and eventually people die?
And it's so hard to communicate this to people because it usually is operating in this realm of it's hard to ever say directly, this thing happened because of this policy that we did.
Instead, it's all decay along the margins.
Think of it like, think of it, you know, like a it's, you know, it's, I think of it actually in terms of sports.
So do you remember when the Packers like choked away that game against the Seahawks in the NFC Championship?
Yes.
Yeah, which year it was like 07?
It was 2014.
I remember it, of course.
And the thing about it is it was this big disaster.
We lost the NFC Championship.
But for it to happen, about like 10 different things had to go wrong that were all extremely bad.
And if any of them had not happened, that disaster wouldn't have occurred.
And a lot of disasters with DEI are like that.
It's that you're getting decay in all these little spaces that allow a big disaster to happen.
So it's not specifically, oh, if we had a different fire chief there, then all these lives would be saved.
But it might be he would be a little bit more competent.
Maybe their hiring would have been better because they wouldn't have been quite as diversity focused in all of their hiring, all of their promotions.
Maybe because they weren't doing it based on that, their training would be a little bit better.
Their preparedness would be a little bit better.
And all of these things along the line.
And you'd be saying, okay, here and there, it saves one life here, one life there.
And we'd be talking, it'd still be a disastrous flood, but maybe it would be 80 people who died instead of 120 people.
That's 45.
You could even have a situation where, you know, if they've got one boat and one crew, they're just going out and they're checking which, you know, which cabins are closer to the river.
And they say, hey, this cabin is closer.
Let's just hand out some flotation devices here.
We're going to just, you know, hey, best practices.
Hope you guys are ready for this.
Because they were totally caught unawares.
Everyone was caught unawares of this.
And if you had just had people in the area who are able to do this job and deployed them, you would have done this.
And by the way, you know, I'm just going to say it, you know, this is the same type of thing.
And President Trump, what it was, the first week of his administration, we had that horrific crash based on pilot error down here at Reagan National Airport when the Blackhawk, female Blackhawk pilot just crashed into that passenger plane.
And you had all of those kids that were on that plane coming home from an ice skating competition.
It was like a youth ice skating competition.
They were coming home.
They're all killed.
And I remember I was with Secretary Noam, and we.
And that story kind of disappeared.
The fact that we flew.
So we were at the airport and we, you know, we were flying somewhere else, but we actually flew and I could see the helicopter in the water.
And I just, and I just remember thinking, it's like, these, these things, these disasters, are they getting worse?
And, you know, the left wants to say it's climate, but it really is what Blake is saying.
It's just this sort of like these issues along the margins are just piling up and it all comes back to, and yes, that did come out that it was pilot error.
And yes, it was the New York Times that put that all out based on a very exhaustive investigation of everything that went.
And I'm sure there were other errors as well.
But that's why you really have to ask questions about what's going on when we have policies like this in place.
But just to repeat it, like DEI, we know, ruins the culture of excellence.
And there's no way that excellence can coexist with diversity, equity, inclusion.
They cannot coexist.
Your top priority is either excellence or your top priority is something else.
And when DEI is so excited.
It is your other priority.
That is your top priority.
Just to be clear, this fire chief from Atlanta said, I want to try to make the Austin Fire Department blacker, essentially.
More diverse.
He also said gayer.
He wanted to make it gayer, too.
Gayer and blacker.
And in the pursuit of gay and blackness, then all of a sudden you stop to have excellence.
This guy did not earn his way to the top.
DEI means didn't earn it.
So, and just like, I want to make sure I'm not misquoting anything.
Who's accusing him here?
I believe it's the Austin Firefighters.
The Austin Firefighters Union wants to hold a vote of no confidence.
I don't think that means anything other than a formal.
They had a quote, though, too, where their quote was that they tried to explain the reimbursement thing, and they didn't understand it.
Like they sat down with him, like, hey, if we send this stuff out to Kerrville, then the cost will be reimbursed.
And did he not?
I don't think he knew the word reimbursement.
He said, Charlie, I have the exact quote.
I explained the reimbursement process to Chief Baker last week, and he failed to understand this very simple concept.
Yeah.
Doesn't understand the word reimbursement.
Not a shocker.
Here is former Houston City Board official Sadie Perkins, appointed by a Democrat, who sparks outrage over saying, well, Mystic was a whites-only conservative Christian camp.
You got to wonder that, was there a reason did they fail to deploy resources out to Kerrville because of some pent-up resentment towards white people?
I wouldn't go that far.
I'm asking the question.
Charlie, we have a lot of people.
But does this guy hate white people?
I don't know.
He doesn't know what a reimbursement is.
There's a general sentiment that there is race war type stuff that happens outside the Houston area.
Imagine if a white fire chief in Birmingham, Alabama, failed to deploy fire stuff two to three days in advance of a black neighborhood or a black camp.
They would say that then, and I think it would be untrue to say that.
We have this piece of tape.
You got to listen to the tape.
Play cut 363.
I know I'm probably going to get canceled for this, but Camp Mystic is a whites-only girls-Christian camp.
They don't even have a token Asian.
They don't have a token black person.
It is a all-white, white-only conservative Christian camp.
If you ain't white, you ain't right.
You ain't getting in, you ain't going, period.
And I think that context needs to be said in this matter.
It's not to say that we don't want the girls to be found, whatever girls that are missing or whatever right now, but you best believe, especially in today's political climate, if this were a group of Hispanic girls, especially with them being in East Texas, it should be most likely Hispanic.
If this were a group of Hispanic girls out there, this would not be getting this type of coverage that they're getting.
Look, I think Blake's probably right to say, look, we can't say definitively that this black DEI chief that didn't understand the word reimbursement, you know, according to, again, allegedly according to the accusation now publicly, you know, published, was that really the harbored, you know, white anti-white resentment?
But there is a lot of anti-white resentment in this country.
And let's just, let me just hypothetical, Blake.
If all of a sudden a flood zone was going to go after the blackest county in Texas, would this DEI chief have blamed reimbursements?
Would he have blamed cost?
That's a good, that's a better question, isn't it?
Would he have gone above and beyond if it wasn't anywhere but basically a very white area of Kerrville?
I don't want to racialize this stuff.
They're bringing it to our forefront.
Jack.
Well, one piece of information.
No, I think these are the types of questions that unfortunately we have to start asking again because the left has spent a decade plus asking them and demanding that we look at the systemic inequalities of every decision and everything that goes down.
You know, when the George Floyd situation happens with Derek Chauvin and they immediately racialize this and put it to the entire, put the entire country through this gaping inferno because of this.
And it comes out that actually the guy had, you know, a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system and he had a heart tumor to begin with.
You know, it didn't matter.
It didn't matter them.
It didn't matter for the billion dollars that was lost in those riots.
It didn't matter for everything else that didn't matter at all.
So there, and so what?
We can't just ask the question of how they would have reacted.
No, I don't think so.
Charlie, by the way, I did want to add though that on this Austin fire chief that he's actually embroiled in a lawsuit right now with his former, the former chaplain of the Austin fire department, because the former chaplain was fired back in 2021 by the same police chief, or excuse me, the same fire chief.
Why did Joel Baker fire him?
Well, he fired the chaplain because, and it sounds like this is, you know, just made for conservative media talking point, but it's actually true.
He fired the chaplain because the chaplain wrote on his personal blog that he didn't believe that transgenders should be in women's sports.
And so this police chief fired the chaplain, the guy who's there to like pray for the, you know, the firemen and the swimmers and, you know, In situations like this, to be there for families and victims.
He fired him over trans in women's sports and is currently being sued under First Amendment grounds.
The Alliance for Defending Freedom is on board with this lawsuit.
That just happened a couple of years ago.
Same guy.
As woke as they come.
And Charlie, the point that you're making, too, is really, I think, relevant because there is an animosity that exists, particularly in Texas, because Texas actually is the home for a lot of the Cotillion type programs that exist, the Junior Cotillion that exists.
And it's historically white and it's focused on white females.
There's a huge anti-white woman resentment.
Basically, the only white conservatives that exist now go through programs like this.
And so this camp, this Camp Mystic, has a lot of that same aura, the families that do this and all that.
And there is animosity that's pent up, particularly in the Houston area, because you brought up Houston, because there is this black versus white mentality that's been crafted basically since Barack Obama was president, where it's just this stoking of racial divide and animosity that exists within the country.
And people have been angry and attacking these types of institutions for a long time.
This camp that actually hit this massive tragedy is a camp that's very much associated with that type of upbringing.
And so there is this same like really disgusting atmosphere that exists.
And we've seen some of it online where there have been people of different ethnicities saying, well, maybe those white girls deserve to die.
Maybe those, maybe those people.
And that is the type of stuff that is tearing apart the country that we're seeing.
But it's a real problem that exists.
And when you overlay it with this entire, the DEI hiring and everything else that you talk about that's happening in our communities where we have members of prominent members of the community, and we've seen this here in Arizona too, that utilize the moments of racial inequality or divide to let loose the standards that we need to actually run society and then attack other members of society just basically because they're white.
Nothing ever gets fixed and actually spirals us into more problems.
And I'm afraid that's what's going to happen here.
You have three kids.
I have two kids.
Jack has two kids.
Andrew, not on screen, has three kids.
And just to think that any of our kids would be jeopardized because we have to be worried about being called a racist, like screw you, actually.
Like we're not doing that.
And this all goes back to Obama suing the Austin Police Department because it's not.
And they did this.
It's not black.
It's not even just fire.
They did this with all of these police departments where they would say you're racist in your hiring.
So that's how we got, for example, like Memphis Police Department.
Phoenix was hijacked by the DOJ.
Yeah.
So they basically end up with these consent decrees.
So you have to hire less qualified police who are more likely to do misconduct, more likely to do a shooting unjustified, more likely to do anything inept or corrupt because they're less qualified.
And then also you're forced to dial back your enforcement stuff.
Oh, don't pull over people as much.
Don't arrest people as much.
Don't stop and frisk people as much.
And that directly leads to a higher murder rate.
Literally.
Absolutely.
We don't even need to speculate on this fire.
Thousands of people are dead because of what DEI did to America's crime rates and to our police departments.
Yes.
And this is just yet another example.
And by the way, I've texted all my Texas people while we're here right now.
Like, why are you guys not talking about this?
I mean, okay, yeah, I understand that there's still wreckage to be, you know, sorted out, but this is a, I mean, just to be clear, if you guys are.
None of us are Texans.
No, and I mean, look, I have a very strong opinion about kind of the LARPing Texan thing that we could do at a different time.
And Jack knows exactly what I'm talking about.
Oh, boy.
I was talking about it on Morgan this week.
Tough, tough Texas.
Tough, tough Texas.
Just to be fair, San Antonio is closer to Kerrville, so I think we should also find out if their fire department wasn't deployed.
But Austin is a bigger city than San Antonio.
I think, actually, Austin.
It might be now, yeah.
It's weird because San Antonio is bigger itself, but it eats all of its suburbs.
Yeah, I think Austin proper is definitely bigger.
San Antonio proper is bigger, but Austin's got more real suburbs.
So got it.
Okay.
So for whatever.
Which one has more resources is the question?
Well, yeah, Austin's way richer.
Yeah, so therefore that.
Wait, wait, by the way, guys, guys, this was a statewide deployment call.
So that means San Antonio also did not send pre-deployment resources.
So it was a statewide call.
Maybe they did or it wasn't enough.
But here's the kicker.
We did not invite this.
We did not find a random.
Here's the point.
We did not find a random fire chief.
Be like, oh, he's black.
This is his own firefighters accusing him of this.
This is his own rank and file that are saying this guy did not understand.
And let me just be clear.
This is a pattern.
The Los Angeles fires, it was a bunch of lesbians running the Los Angeles fire department.
And the San Antonio fire chief, again, I don't know if she acted correctly or not, but she's a black woman.
And so at some point, again, we don't know.
Maybe she did wonderful and maybe everyone was heroic and maybe her people think are great.
But you're looking around the room.
At some point, you got to ask the question, where are the qualified people?
Are you there because you're qualified or there because you checked a box?
This is a scary part, Charlie, is that what they want to do to each of our communities is they want to balloon them so big that they're basically unmanageable and untenable and make it so that every suburban community basically becomes what was probably in the 50s considered a large city.
And so you're heading in a direction where you're not going to have the capacity to manage your local community, your suburbs in the way that was once thought that you could manage with like basically just direct democratic rule where you can remove people and replace people.
And so they want to get in people like this that are going to continue to destroy.
They're going to build up the communities, make them bigger and balloon them to sizes that you can't control.
But you're going to see more of like what Blake just mentioned, those like these problems on the margins that continue to exist where you and I don't have a place to live because you don't want to live in a community that's even remotely close to that size.
And so, what does that mean?
That means excluding normal, regular citizens that want to participate in society out to the outskirts of America, where you can't really have any control and they'll continue to manipulate like communists do, the large portion of the population.
But I believe that this is actually part of their entire strategy is they want to have people like this in because it continues to push out people like us, like people that have kids.
They just want to have normal people.
I'm not living in those cities.
Are you kidding me?
But this is the problem is they continue to build up the cities and insert people like this because they know that you and I probably won't leave, right?
We're going to fight.
But there are people who leave that we know lots of people who have said, forget it, I'm moving to the middle of nowhere and I'm going to homeschool my kids and live the farm style life because I don't want to live in a city that is going to cause me harm.
The fire chief I live in just to Harvard.
Like, what is that?
Yeah.
Like, this is what I'm saying.
So, like, you have, you have towns that are literally, again, in the 50s, a big city in America was considered like 100,000 people.
Today, a big city in America is considered a million people.
You have most of your suburbs are far exceeding 100,000 people.
And they're inserting people that went to Harvard as a fire chief.
That's not a normal thing.
That's not normal.
I don't like this.
I'm going to, yeah.
But nobody wants that job, Charlie.
A regular person that came up through the fire ranks in McKinney, Texas, or in Gilbert, Arizona, or, you know, San Bernardino, California, doesn't want that job because of all the focus and pressure.
And what they want is protection based on race.
And that's the only way.
Okay, five-minute warning.
Let's go to AI.
All right.
Yeah.
This is just a fun one.
I really wanted to hit this.
So this is a billion-dollar industry, we're told.
This is a headline in the Hollywood Reporter yesterday.
I love you, send Bitcoin inside the billion-dollar celebrity impersonation scam.
I have to read this quote because it's amazing.
In November, Margaret climbed into her Toyota Camry, left her husband of 10 years at their brick home in the rural South, and drove an hour to a hotel where she was sure Kevin Costner was coming to meet her.
By this point, Margaret, 73, had spent months making weekly Bitcoin deposits for Costner, totaling about $100,000.
He had messaged her that he was using the money to set up a new production company, which she would eventually work for with him.
Margaret knew that some people would find it odd that an Oscar winner and the star of Yellowstone would need financial help from a retired office manager that he had met on Facebook.
But Margaret wasn't exactly a nobody.
She had achieved some renown for activism she'd done, and she had even delivered a TED Talk.
She was special, and Costner saw it.
It was, of course, he was sending her AI generated.
Someone was sending her AI-generated images.
Did she really do a TED Talk?
Yes.
I mean, we don't know her real identity.
They covered it up.
I would cover up that identity.
There was some guy in Bangladesh that's like now living like a king that was like in some slum, right?
Now all of a sudden he like has slaves.
How much money do you get off of her?
$100,000 in a year.
A ton of money in Bangladesh.
Yeah.
$100K.
Wow.
That's big money.
It's like 10 years of living.
Do we have the photo here?
We have the name blah.
Let's get this photo up here because it's amazing.
Like this is happening.
This has happened before, but it's like with Photoshop and AI, you can make this.
No.
Yeah.
You're making this.
This is bad.
This is really bad for people whose brains are cooked, man.
No.
Stop.
Wait, so you're actually, folks, just so you know, I have actually been on vacation in Botswana all week and all of the Jack Posobics that you've seen lately, that's all AI.
Human Events Daily, War Room, it's all AI.
But this technology here, insurmountable.
Absolutely.
And there's no way to defeat it.
I mean, just look at how seamless it is.
And so what's, by the way, it's so cheap to use a voice changer.
He couldn't even use the voice changer.
They had to hold up a picture.
So they'd use both of those and like, yeah, and they can use like AI general.
Terry me, I promise.
Yeah, and you can use AI.
Terrible.
Terrible.
It's crazy because this is only right now.
The technology is as bad as it will ever be because it will only get better from here.
They will have better technology.
They can do the more realistic videos, more realistic photos.
They can make the voices super accurate.
They can make the text messages sound the way that they sound.
It's only going to get worse from here.
And we're going to have Charlie Kurtz messaging all the people who are fans of Turning Point saying, like, look, Turning Point's in trouble.
I need you to send me $100,000 in Bitcoin to this address.
It's already a problem.
Look at this.
This one's totally fake.
And some boomers thought it was real.
Play cut 378.
Americans have every right to be because it should have been done sooner.
For the longest time, corporations have been allowed to price gouge on regulated industries like insurance.
And now because of this administration, every American has a right to go to this page and request a state-applied reduction to any auto insurance bill.
The subsidy lowers your payment without any loss of coverage.
All carriers have to comply.
And if you're a U.S. citizen, go do it this week.
So, first of all, it's not everything you just saw was fake.
My grandma's a die-hard Charlie Kirk fan, watches RAV every single day.
I 100% guarantee you she would fall for this.
I love Grammy, if you're listening right now, she would probably fall for this.
And this is how I know too, Charlie.
My grandma actually had like a zillion things taken out of her bank account from the RNC stuff.
Oh, that's bad news.
And I was pissed off about it because I went through all this.
She's on a fixed income, whatever, right?
All this stuff.
But this is the kind of stuff that's going to totally take advantage of seniors.
Totally.
So this went, wait, so this went viral on Facebook?
This turned out to be a lot of fun.
Millions in engagement.
Millions of views.
I have already told.
Who put it out?
Some Pakistani.
Yeah.
I have already told my parents, like, you know, they run these scams where they pretend to be your kids.
You know, they can.
So I'm just like, look, you know, it is conceivable.
Like, we should have a passphrase that we can use if you're worried it's not actually me.
I can't remember what the passphras was.
So I'll have to work on that one.
But don't say it on your own.
Talk to your parents about what your plans would be because this is a real thing that's going to happen.
You need a safe word.
I've gotten fake calls.
They also can call from the number.
Yeah.
They can spoof the number, spoof the voice.
They can't spoof FaceTime audio or they can't spoof your apps yet.
Yet.
That's key.
And by the way, if you have a problem, if you have any sort of concern, just hang up and call the person back.
That's big.
All right, we got to go.
The show was all non-AI, just for the record.
That's just what an AI version of Trump is.
We're going to talk about AI in a future show.
I see it getting, I use AI a lot.
Last 30 days, it's getting worse, not better.
It's actually, and I have a whole theory on it.
I'm key on catching stuff in it.
The slop theory is real.
It's real.
It's slower.
It's lagging.
It's also not as precise.
It's cutting corners because of the volume of interest.
