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	This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.
	The commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.
	This is Human Events with your host, Jack Pisovic.
	Christ is King.
	Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.
	We're here on the sidelines of the Student Action Summit.
	And what we've done is this is incredible that we have so many access, so much access to these high-profile guests, put together a series of interviews for today's episode.
	And of course, we're leading it off with the most high-profile of them all, the man who founded the body of water that we're sitting right next to here in Tampa, Florida, the Gulf of America.
	It's Kevin Pesobic.
	That's right.
	Thanks for having me on again, Jack.
	Yeah, right outside, right outside the door here.
	We're at the Tampa City.
	On the shores of the Gulf of America, yes, sir.
	That's incredible.
	We got to get out there.
	We got to get out of there.
	Have some fun out, yeah.
	Meet some wave runners.
	Oh, no.
	Me and Jack.
	I'll do it.
	I'm in.
	Hey, may we go to Clearwater, see Hogan if you're willing to.
	See Hogan?
	Okay, all right.
	Well, don't tell the boys that because if you promised the boys Hogan, they want Hogan.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	They want to see the man.
	He lives there.
	Yeah, but I understand he had some health issues recently.
	That's true.
	Yeah, I saw Ric Blair just got a surgery as well.
	Yeah, it's down here.
	Man, it's happening.
	But we know Hulk Hogan is the immortal.
	No, Kevin.
	It was great.
	It was great being on the show and throwing the t-shirts out yesterday.
	It was a lot of fun.
	He did so much stuff.
	And Gulf of America merchants.
	Kevin, tell me something about, you know, this obviously is a student event, so it's younger.
	Tell me about the reaction that you're seeing from college and high school kids here.
	The reaction's been, it's been golden, really.
	I mean, to speak to like the golden age.
	You see, people aren't as scared anymore to talk about conservative values, talk about tradition.
	They're emboldened.
	And they're emboldened.
	Starting families and starting businesses, getting active on campus.
	And it's just something I've never seen when I was going to college.
	I mean, they always had like a debate club, a Republican, Democrat club, but nothing quite like Turning Point has done.
	And credit to Charlie Kirk.
	I think it's an amazing concept that he originally started.
	And now we are seeing that.
	You're seeing those kids who were in the first iteration of Turning Point when they were 18, 19.
	Now they're in their mid-20s, some of them even 30.
	Now they're totally on board, totally online, totally activated, totally engaged.
	I would look like Beavis and Butthead at that age compared to these guys coming up.
	They're so well put together.
	Yeah.
	They're so well put together.
	And thanks to social media.
	It's so impressive.
	So impressive.
	You can get access to information so much faster these days.
	They're so much more knowledgeable than I was at that age.
	But it's amazing.
	Like young guys selling t-shirts, selling Gulf of America t-shirts and making businesses, like young, young.
	And it really is an amazing thing to see.
	And that's why I love coming down to these events and just showing support.
	What Charlie's done is put together an absolute national force.
	And you see it in the polls, you see it in voting trends, you can see it out there.
	It's all the way from grassroots to the top.
	Didn't you say to me recently, like this is one of the younger administrations with Trump?
	That's a great point, actually.
	Yes, it is.
	It is.
	If you look in terms of the average age of the cabinet is way down.
	You see a lot of cabinet members in their 40s, staffer-wise.
	You see a lot of people.
	And the mainstream media would probably hate to know how many former turning point people are now in the administration.
	Yeah, it's done, right?
	It's done.
	No, no, it's zero.
	It's totally zero.
	What are you talking about?
	I can't think of a single one.
	Not me neither.
	No, definitely not.
	No, definitely not any in there.
	That would be crazy.
	And don't worry, Charlie, I'm definitely not breaking any news or divulging any inside information here today on human events daily.
	But folks, we're going to be right back.
	We've got a huge show.
	Lots of people.
	Kevin worked with the following.
	Follow me on X and Instagram.
	And like I always say, follow me to church.
	Follow me to church.
	All right, right back.
	This is Human Events with Jack Pesovic.
	Now it's time for everyone to understand what America First truly means.
	Welcome to the second American Revolution.
	Jeffrey Epstein's contact list is making headlines again.
	The Attorney General of the United States, Pam Bondi's Justice Department, released over 100 pages from his address book featuring names like Mick Jagger and Alec Baldwin.
	While most names were already known, victims' identities were fully redacted.
	Today, conservative commentators are spotted at the White House carrying binders labeled Epstein files.
	Meanwhile, Attorney General Pam Bondi accused the FBI of withholding thousands of Jeffrey Epstein documents.
	In a letter to FBI Director Cash Patel, she promised to release the files, raising questions about what's being kept hidden.
	The U.S. government is now saying financier Jeffrey Epstein never kept a client list.
	We had heard about that.
	It contradicts claims from Attorney General Pam Bondi, who months ago said such a document was, quote, sitting on my desk.
	The two-page memo from the Justice Department FBI also confirmed Epstein's death was a suicide, and no further charges are expected to be filed in the case.
	It happened in jail.
	The conclusion is the opposite of what Pam Bondi had promoted.
	All right, folks, Jack Pasobic, we're here.
	This is an episode we're taping, pre-taping, while we're on the sidelines here at the Student Action Summit Turning Point.
	Tampa, Florida, by the way, on the very shores of the Gulf of America.
	Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the Gulf of America.
	Go and look at your map.
	You can see it right here.
	And we're so excited to have a local politician joining us, Congresswoman Ana Lina Luna.
	And to me, by the way, for the record, to me, it's no surprise that you are where you are, having come up as, quote unquote, an influencer.
	But I said, people say, you know, you think of her as an influencer because you're not listening to what she's saying.
	And I do this crazy thing where I actually listen to what people have to say.
	And I remember always saying, this one has substance.
	This one has something to say.
	So that I can check in regards to stereotype and branding.
	I would be astonished.
	And you never did.
	And you never did that.
	No, you and I had a conversation about that a couple years ago.
	I remember that.
	And I even said, like, do you want to lean in a little bit?
	Because I have my political analyst hat on.
	Do you want to lean in a little bit on that?
	You're like, no.
	No, I don't want to do that.
	It's interesting, though.
	They don't really know how to hit me.
	No, they don't.
	They're like, we're just not going to talk about it.
	And I'm like, you guys, because they realize I go on and I make sense, and then you're just like, I don't know, camera.
	Right.
	And then, well, and then, I mean, the one time that they did say, they went after your family.
	Oh, they tried on the Washington pub.
	Yeah, yeah, it was ridiculous.
	Yeah, but had that not happened, you know, God works in special ways.
	So they went, they tried to say that I was not Hispanic.
	Oh, my God.
	They tried to say that.
	You're not Hispanic.
	I'm like, pretty Hispanic, dude.
	And in the same sentence, they're like, but her grandmother's from Mexico.
	Right.
	And then, and her dad's also Mexican, her mom's Mexican.
	But had that not happened, Time Magazine would have never investigated.
	And when Time Magazine investigated, they're like, holy shit, she's telling the truth.
	I was named the next 100 most influential in the world.
	No, I completely agree, and it's been a meteoric rise.
	So just congratulations to you because I remember coming and meeting you at these events, gosh, I don't even want to say how many years ago now, but at least seven years ago, yeah, at least seven years ago.
	And to see where you are, it's amazing.
	But you've launched task forces into things like the JFK files, and you've been completely outspoken.
	And obviously, and for folks who know, it's been trending all this week, this Epstein situation.
	And I'll just say something that, you know, I've never said this publicly, because when this thing first happened, you were the first person to reach out to me.
	When this whole thing happened, when this whole nonsense happened, you were the very first person who reached out to me as if we were the ones who refused to release the files.
	I mean, I don't have the files.
	I'm not the Attorney General.
	I'm not involved in any of this.
	So I've always really appreciated that.
	So thank you.
	Yeah, yeah, I think it's one of those situations.
	I think the reason why there's so much anger surrounding this is because of the way that it was handled.
	Of course.
	I couldn't agree.
	I'm right there with everybody else.
	It's the way that it was handled.
	And I think that in regards to our task force, the whole reason why the task force was formed is because President Trump had this EO on declassifying JFK, releasing never seen documents on Joe Needies, who's this really shady CIA operative that had lied to Congress, was given an award for lying to Congress, was observing, had interaction with Oswald.
	And, you know, for decades, this was kept under review.
	Because it was the Castro group that he was part of was actually a CIA front group.
	It was a CIA front group.
	Which is what people had said for years and were called conspiracy theorists.
	And now they're being proven correct and evidence of multiple shooters.
	The CIA denied the lone gunman theory that just on the pure fact that the CIA had interaction with was observing Oswald disproves the whole notion of a lone gunman.
	That the Warren Commission engaged in intimidation of witnesses, that they omitted evidence that the single bullet theory didn't take place.
	And I believe that a rogue faction of the CIA thought that JFK was a radical and they used that.
	I think that when people look at the evidence, they can piece together the mosaic of what actually happened.
	Yeah, and then who's the attorney on the case, the investigator that came up with the silver bullet, the magic bullet theory, is Silver Bullet Arlen Specter.
	So Silver Bullet Spectre, then it turns around to become the vice president, then president after his role in the Watergate investigation.
	You see Spectre getting rewarded.
	So we see this pattern over and over of people being rewarded for covering up some of what they call the crown jewels in the Intel community.
	So when you have situations like this that go on again and again and again, I think it's not crazy to see a guy like Jeffrey Epstein and all of the information that's out there already.
	Well, I think that's why you want a transparent process in this, right?
	Like no one's asking to see victim names, no one's asking to see CSAM.
	But to not release anything, and then you have the Daily Mail out there with photos of bags of passports and diamonds and safes.
	I just think that the way that it's been handled has created a bigger issue on the distrust front and that you have to have transparency to have that trust with your government, especially when so many of these people went on record saying that they wanted to.
	So they can't release information even if they have wanted to because the DOJ has said that they're not allowed to.
	And so that's why I put out the statement that I did that the DOJ does need to release that information that we are going to be asking the task force on behalf of the American people.
	And unfortunately though, you know, I'm not at the DOJ and unfortunately not the FBI.
	I've exhausted all my resources capable and I was kind of fighting for this.
	I felt like alone on a hill for a while.
	But I do think that if this is ever going to restore trust, recently these huge ICE raids out in California, they are ongoing.
	They've actually been stepping up enforcement operations in parts of the country.
	And we keep hearing, you know, of course Gavin Newsom runs out and says, this is racist, this is, you're harassing children, you're harassing women, these are just people who want to work here.
	And then, of course, people turn around and say, wait a minute, what do you mean there's children?
	In fact, Purdue and Tyson Chicken Farm actually were busted for this several years back.
	And what I will also tell you, Jack, is that they're not wanting to address that issue.
	I think it's pretty egregious that Congress has the ability to increase some of these punishments for these corporations that are hiring these migrant children.
	You're talking about actually going over after the people.
	This is the pull factor for illegal aliens because they wouldn't be coming if they couldn't have jobs.
	There's a lot of lobbying and big ag that goes into the facts.
	This administration and doing what they're doing, they're not talking about the fact that they just erected an MS-13 kingpin or that they're deporting pedophiles and rapists.
	They're trying to paint it to be that image, just like they were previous to the Trump election in 2016.
	They're trying to film, you know, people getting tear gassed at the border, people bringing their children and getting tear gassed.
	They're not talking about the actual facts, and that it actually hurts people on both sides.
	You're literally incentivizing people to come here illegally, then they're getting paid under the table, then they're targets for organized crime.
	The movie, you know, Sound of Freedom was out there.
	I saw that movie with President Trump up at Bedminster that night.
	It's so sad.
	It's true.
	It's horrific, but these networks are in place, and unfortunately, these issues are real.
	They just busted a massive trafficking ring in Pinellas County and in Hillsborough County here in Tampa.
	I think they rescued over 60 kids, but some as young as 13 years old, or I think it was nine years old, actually.
	So, you know, people calling Obama a racist or xenophobic.
	Biden, you know, was under Obama's vice president.
	They didn't attack him.
	So it is because they want to create this voting point for the midterms.
	And there is a concern that I have that if people don't educate the masses on what's truly happening with the propaganda factor in this, that there will be people that drink the Kool-Aid and think that unfortunately it's targeted because of race and that's simply not the case.
	And I remember two years ago we did all this work when we were promoting Sound of Freedom.
	We went through and talked about the network.
	We talked about the fact that the Biden administration was lose, quote unquote, losing all of these children in the process.
	President Trump is actually going in with ICE.
	They're finding President Trump also too remember when he did the last admin.
	He was the biggest person to fight for counter trafficking efforts in the country and frankly and in any other administration.
	So I think that they don't like to talk about that because they know that a lot of these, you know, there's this like fight the oligarchy going around the country.
	Well, a lot of these movements for these counter protesting for counter or these illegal immigration efforts, they're actually being funded by billionaires tied to the CCP.
	So they don't want to talk about the money trail there either.
	And so it's going to be interesting for Congress to open up our investigation into that.
	Congresswoman Anne Feluna Luna, thank you for your fight.
	Thank you for your voice and your friendship.
	Where can people go to follow you, see everything you're doing?
	On the official counts at RepLuna and then personal real on a point.
	Today, you know, they talk about influencers.
	These are influencers.
	And they're friends of mine, Jack Rusovic.
	Where's Jack?
	Jack, he's done a great job.
	Yes, we need, and we have already, the biggest help is the support of American people and the support of our friends.
	Thanks to Lindsey and his colleagues, to congressmen and senators from the United States.
	Thanks for the support, bipartisan support.
	Thank you so much.
	Peace is coming.
	Yes, soon.
	Thank you.
	All right, guys, we're back here on the sidelines again, Turning Point Student Action Summit in the Great Tampa Bay.
	That's right, right on the Bay of the Gulf of America.
	And we're so excited to be sitting down here with U.S. Senate candidate Andre Bauer.
	Thank you for joining us here on Human Events.
	Thank you for having me.
	So tell me, why did you want to run?
	Why would you want to take a life like yours and decide to get involved in politics and run for a seat like this?
	Great question.
	A lot of my friends said the same thing.
	You know, in 19, I thought about it.
	I got real frustrated with the senator.
	I had a one-year-old and just timing just wasn't right.
	That one-year-old's now getting ready to be six in September.
	And I'm worried about their future.
	I've got four kids, and I'm worried about their future.
	They're going to see with their eyes a future I'll never get to see, but I darn sure care about what it looks like.
	And we've got a senator that we don't see in South Carolina anymore.
	I think he's more recognizable in Ukraine than he is in Union South Carolina.
	Wow.
	30 years, he's lost his way.
	We're concerned about border.
	We're concerned about taking care of Americans and South Carolinians.
	We're not as concerned about taking care of the rest of the world's problems, especially when we have the debt.
	When Lindsay took over, the debt was less than $5 trillion.
	And he ran on term limits, if you can imagine that.
	1994, contract with America.
	Newt Gamers got elected in 94, so he committed to 12 years.
	We're 19 years past his expectation.
	And what have we gotten for it?
	We've now sevenfold the debt.
	A trillion a year since he's been in there, it's gone up.
	And so how do you call yourself a conservative and a Republican if you keep raising the debt limit, if you keep spending, if you keep being a globalist instead of looking out for your state, instead of looking out for your country?
	Look, I'll give you an easy example.
	There are 800 plus U.S. bases around the world.
	South Carolina lost two of their big ones.
	We lost the Charleston Navy Yard that my grandfather worked at, and we lost Myrtle Beach Air Force Base.
	Now, why would we ever get rid of two premier right on our coast, guarding our coast, employing people, and the spin-off from employing those people helps those communities, too.
	Instead, 800-plus around the world, we got over 46,000 trucks.
	So you're telling me that Senator Graham didn't fight for the people of South Carolina in his defense.
	He was a newly member of Congress when one of those got shut down.
	So I can't blame that on him.
	I want to be fair, but my point is, is that why would we ever see that?
	That's a real Southerner, by the way.
	It is.
	But my point is, is why would we ever look at shutting down stuff in our backyard, protecting our borders before we'd ever go?
	We got over 46,000 individuals in Germany right now.
	They're our friends.
	Why do we have that big a troop?
	We got over 36,000 in South Korea.
	We've got to reassess what our real mission is, what our real duty and scope is, and where our real allies are.
	And can they not start doing their own military and their own policing?
	I'm tired of being the world's peacekeeper.
	At some point in time, we've got to address a debt, and we've got to address heck and care.
	That must be because the people of South Carolina just have too much money and too much employment and too much health care.
	And that's why he's so focused around the world, right?
	There's no problems at all back home in South Carolina.
	I think it's much easier to raise money from the people that want us in all these conflicts and the biggest thing.
	And if you look, he's never had an opponent, I shouldn't say a real opponent, he's never had an opponent with a big name or war chest.
	The most he's ever had spent in a primary was he had an individual one time send $750,000 against his like $15 million.
	The last race he raised over $100 million.
	You're not getting that from Johnny Lunchbucket sending you $25 after he worked all week.
	That's not sweat off the brow money.
	That's, hey, We're going to give you a big old check and you're going to do what we need you to in Washington.
	It's taking care of Washington politics and foreign conflicts instead of taking care of the people of South Carolina and taking care of President Trump's agenda.
	I mean, this is a guy that fought Trump to the nail.
	Matter of fact, when I endorsed President Trump in February of 19, the third elected official in America, Lindsey Graham was running against him.
	Remember, he called him a jackass, a xenophobe, a homophobe.
	Sure was.
	Remember on January 6th, he took the floor and said, I'm done with Trump.
	I don't know if everybody remembers that, and he wanted to invoke the 25th Amendment against Trump.
	We wouldn't have Trump as a president now had Lindsey done that.
	I think we can do some work to make that go a little viral again.
	Yeah.
	Well, do your homework, folks that are listening, because it's there.
	It's the truth.
	On numerous occasions, he down-talked our president, but he said Joe Biden's one of the finest men God ever created.
	He said Nancy Pelosi was a fine person.
	He voted with Joe Biden in 2022 70% of the time.
	Right there with Murkowski.
	These aren't conservatives.
	They're not Republicans.
	They're darn sure not a South Carolina Republican, maybe a Vermont Republican.
	No offense, Vermont, but it ain't South Carolina Republican.
	You know, and I'll say this too, because, look, I'm from Pennsylvania, right?
	I'm a northerner.
	I'm not a southerner, but when I go to South Carolina, it's such an amazing state.
	I love Charleston.
	I love everything about South Carolina.
	I love the food in the low country, by the way.
	Amazing.
	Charlestonian by birth.
	But there you go.
	But then I see Lindsey Graham, and I say, how is this guy from South Carolina?
	It doesn't matter.
	He must have not been in South Carolina when you saw him.
	Oh, no, I see him in D.C. I see him in Mars.
	I don't see him ever.
	I don't see him in South Carolina.
	You've got to put him in a milk jug if you want to see him in South Carolina because he don't come back.
	I mean, he came back to his home birthplace of Pickens County to stumper Trump.
	They booted him off stage and he didn't ask to be on stage anymore.
	I was there.
	I spoke too.
	I didn't get the same reception he got.
	And that's where he was born, Pickens County.
	Again, fact check, Andre.
	You're welcome to do that.
	So it was the idea that he's been there for so long, he's wrapped up in all these other interests, and he treats South Carolina as just sort of a, you know, as a stepping stone for him to be able to get this higher power in D.C. I was told by one of his best buddies, a sitting United States congressman, that said, well, you know, Lindsay's run around brokering world peace.
	He's actually the pseudo-Secretary of State.
	And I said, well, somebody needs to tell him that's not his job.
	He's the sitting United States Senator.
	If he doesn't want that job, he's step down and go apply to be Secretary of State.
	Because that's not his job.
	Remember when Trump said we were trying to work out the Russian-Ukraine issue?
	They were trying to solve that?
	The next thing you know, he and Blumenthal on Mind Your Dime, ninth trip to Ukraine, goes over there.
	We're going to give you more money.
	And the next thing they're bombing again.
	Look, I'm tired of Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, you name it.
	He hadn't found a conflict.
	He didn't want boots on the ground.
	He didn't want more money spent there.
	No, and he said he wanted full-on war with Iran and all the rest of it.
	The Jets weren't even cool when they came back after President Trump's flawless surgical strike.
	And Lindsey's got charts on the Florida Senate saying, our boys would be willing to risk their lives for regime change in Iran.
	I hope he's willing to go over there and do it because I don't want any more of our boys over there.
	Look, if we need to protect our friends with drones, if we need to get behind people that we're allies with, we're not going to negate that responsibility.
	But all these boots on the ground and all this regime change, I'm adamantly opposed to it.
	Andre, we're just about out of time.
	This is an incredible interview.
	I've got to have you on more because I got to say, I've met Senator Graham and I've met, you know, I said, you seem like the one who's from South Carolina a lot more than he does.
	Tell people where they can go to follow you, to support you, and to back you and what you're doing there down for the people of Spain.
	Jack, thanks for having me on the show.
	Go to AndreBower.com.
	Real easy, AndreBower.com.
	We'd love to have you get involved.
	This is an opportunity for a movement.
	Look, we're getting rid of Cornyn.
	We're getting rid of Tillis.
	We're getting rid of McConnell.
	Let's kill the biggest snake of them all and send him packing, and that's Lindsey Graham, AndreBower.com.
	Driving out the snakes.
	You got to love it.
	Thanks, Derek.
	Music
	Jack, I want to see you.
	Great job, Jack.
	Thank you.
	What a job you do.
	You know, we have an incredible thing.
	We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys that be getting bullets.
	All right, folks, Jack Pasovic here, Human Events host.
	But of course, we're riding double duty here at the Student Action Summit.
	That's Jillian Michaels.
	She's so great up there on stage.
	But I had to cut in here for a minute because, ladies and gentlemen, we are here with the Officer Tatum.
	Officer, how are you?
	I'm blessed, man.
	I got to ask you, you've been coming to these events so often for so many years.
	How do you view the growth of Turning Point going from where it was six, seven, eight years ago to where it is now?
	What it is, is a generational changer, right?
	I mean, we see generations and generations come through that are learning, that are growing, that are being blessed, that are blessing others.
	And so I think that the beauty of what Charlie has been able to do as an example for all these young people is that he's been able to capture the hearts and minds of people who really want to do better.
	And they've been able to grow, and I've seen the growth, and some of the young people that were here from the very first SaaS event is now leading in this country.
	So it's been really good to see the progression.
	No, and you absolutely do see it in terms of the voting, right?
	Because if you were, you know, if you were coming up through college, you were 18 to 22, but now when you look at that 18 to 29 demographic, look, that's a voting block.
	And guess what?
	The new Gen Z voting block, it's totally upending politics.
	When they saw it, particularly Gen Z men that switched over for Trump so far, Gen Z women, we'll work on that, we'll work on that.
	I'll talk to Charlie about it.
	But this was something that upended politics because the conventional thinking was that always the youth vote is going to be leftist and then as they get older, they're going to be more conservative.
	Millennials, and I call them Gen Y, centennials, they're kind of on that arc where that's now sort of your 50-50.
	But Gen Z is not like that.
	Right.
	I mean, just imagine a world without Turniporn USA.
	I don't think we'll have a country.
	I don't think the young people will have another outlet to hear something different than what they hear on campus and being lied to by the mainstream media.
	So what Charlie has done and what these young people have been able to do over this amount of time has been incredible and literally is a huge part of saving our country.
	Now, when we talk about saving our country, everybody's asking me about it and I've been open about it.
	They say, hey, Jack, you know, I've seen this picture of you with a binder.
	It says Jeffrey Epstein on it.
	Now all of a sudden the DOJs come out with their memo.
	What's going on?
	I said, wait a minute.
	First of all, I uploaded all that stuff from the binder the day I got it.
	The very first day I got it, I put it up.
	I said, here's the link.
	Everyone can see it.
	The problem was all the stuff that had been in that binder, it had kind of already been released through various court cases.
	And there was actually an itemized list that came from one of the search warrants that had not yet been published.
	So one page, basically, an item sheet.
	But all of this obviously been a huge controversy.
	People waiting for answers.
	They say, wait a minute, we promised answers.
	We haven't got those answers.
	And I thought, you know what?
	With your law enforcement background, right, when I was in the military, I was an intelligence agent.
	So we had different missions.
	I was just trying to collect all the information I could, and we were going to go either roll somebody up or put warheads on foreheads.
	I didn't have to worry about a court case.
	I didn't have to worry about, you know, having a warrant or all of these, for me, like just these extra pieces of the puzzle that law enforcement would have to put into.
	So can you try to distill some of this for us?
	How do these cases work?
	And do the items that people want, does that actually exist?
	Well, that's a good question.
	I think that the problem that we have now is that we have no idea what we don't know.
	Right?
	I mean, we don't know if the information was available, meaning the investigation material was available and it's been deleted.
	So therefore, they really don't have anything to present.
	We don't know if they have someone to present, but they refuse to present it.
	We don't know if Kesh Patel and Dan Bungino wants to present it, but Pam Bunny doesn't.
	We don't know if all of them want to present it, but Trump don't want it to happen.
	So it's a lot to be involved in.
	And I'll tell you this from a law enforcement perspective, is that you always got to have an open mind.
	Don't get married to a narrative because it's very scary in the terrain that we're in because we don't know who to trust and who's divulging information or not.
	And what I can say is that just so everybody's clear, and I love Donald Trump.
	He's my favorite president.
	I vote for him 15 times if it was legal.
	But the investigation started a long time ago.
	This wasn't an investigation that started when Epstein went to jail.
	This was an investigation that concluded to, in part, when Epstein went to jail.
	So the first Trump administration had to be privy to what information was available that caused him to be arrested and put into jail.
	Now, beyond that point, both administrations, the Biden and the Trump administration, had to know if there is actually a list or not.
	And the fact that we don't know the truth about it is concerning to me.
	But what I will say this, I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
	I think that we should trust the people who we've trusted for so many years that eventually the truth will come out.
	Donald Trump is a man of integrity.
	I've known that.
	I think Keshmatella is a man of integrity.
	I don't know Pam Bundy much.
	Dan Bungino is one of my favorites.
	So I'm just waiting to say there's more to the story.
	I want to let it play out and we'll see where it end up.
	So you mentioned the 2019 arrest and people, of course, remember that's why he was in jail.
	But what people, I think, forget, and that gets lost in the story, I should say, is that he was in jail pending trial.
	So that trial never took place.
	Now, a lot of this material, I think, probably, and this is something that law enforcement and prosecutors, they wouldn't make that public.
	Why?
	Because they wouldn't want to tip off Epstein's lawyers as to what their strategy would be.
	Now, of course, they would have to give it to him eventually at some point.
	But because his death happened when it did, suspicious death, to say the least, when it happened when it did, we never got that trial.
	So all of that information, that's got to exist somewhere because, of course, they were building a case against him.
	Right, and Gillain Maxwell is in jail right now.
	Precisely.
	For exactly that.
	There had to be evidence presented against her for her to be in jail.
	There has to be crimes because she was the middle person between connecting victims to the suspects.
	And so with all of that information, the details had to be presented to her in court, against her in court, for her to even be able to go to jail and be sentenced.
	So it existed, but this is not something new, man.
	This is mob tactics.
	This is hood tactics.
	If there is no person to testify in court, then there you go.
	The evidence will not be revealed.
	I'm from the Philly area, and they got a certain saying about snitches in the Philly area.
	Right.
	Because people say, actually, the New York Times did a, it's funny you mentioned that they did a study just recently.
	They said, I think it's only 58% of homicides are solved in the United States.
	And I said, well, in Philly, I know why.
	I'll tell you exactly why that is.
	That's because nobody saw nothing.
	Nobody heard nothing.
	Nobody saw nothing.
	Wait a minute.
	You were right there.
	This ring camera.
	I didn't see nothing.
	I didn't hear nothing.
	I didn't see nothing.
	Snitches get stitches is what they say.
	I don't agree with it, right?
	I think snitching is humble.
	you need to snitch on these people to get these, but I'm saying that's, that's the dynamic that leads people to not be able to, Well, check this out.
	I mean, we got to think, too.
	There's implications that there could be incredibly powerful people that are associated with the crimes committed by Epstein and Ghillain Maxwell.
	With that being said, how do you think it's possible that if those people are potentially involved in this, that he would ever make it to trial?
	He would not let it happen.
	Either he's saving faith by doing it to himself or somebody else made sure that he couldn't testify.
	You know, or, and I remember saying this, and I'll say it again, you know, people get mad at me.
	I said, look, when you mentioned about not being married to your hypothesis, they do teach us that as well in intelligence school.
	And one of the things they do to help us to fight against that or prevent that mentally is what they teach us is an ACH.
	They want you to construct an analysis of competing hypotheses.
	And then when you do that, you actually, basically, it's like competing against each hypothesis.
	So you lay it out, then you lay out the next one, then you lay out the third one.
	And you think, okay, was he murdered?
	All right.
	Was he murdered by a guard?
	Was he murdered by a prisoner that was on the block with him?
	Or did he commit suicide?
	Did he commit suicide?
	And then you put out and you lay out all the evidence for each.
	You lay out how each of it would work.
	And so one of the ones that I even said, which I do kind of wonder about is, because I do trust Cash and Dan, and they said, we don't think someone did that.
	And I said, okay, what if he felt intimidated?
	What if he felt he was being threatened?
	And if so, that drove him to kill himself.
	Now, on paper, you would call that suicide, but in the real world, we know that's something else a thousand percent.
	Man, it's not above reality for somebody who's facing potentially the rest of their lives in prison and being the foul man who eventually somebody will kill him anyway, I think, that he will be the foul man indicting all these other people.
	You wouldn't live the rest of your life looking over your shoulder?
	Or you didn't think this guy was living on a high horse?
	We don't know how he made his money, but he was rich.
	He had one of the nicest places in New York City, flying private everywhere.
	He knew everybody.
	I mean, just the arrogance of a narcissist like that would probably lead them to say, I can't spend the rest of my life in prison, knowing that he probably would spend the rest of his life in prison if they knew what was actually out there with evidence.
	But what I will say is this.
	I use the same theology that you're saying about everything in life.
	You never get married to a thesis.
	Even with my faith in God, I say, I'm going to challenge my faith in God.
	You got to challenge it.
	When someone approaches me with information about the Bible or anything else, I don't shy away from it and say, well, I'm a Christian, so I can't consider it.
	No, I'm going to consider every principle because what does it do?
	It makes you stronger.
	It makes you go deeper in your faith when you find out that the things you believe are real.
	That's how I became a conservative.
	I said, I'm not going to listen to what people are saying I should believe because I'm black.
	Let me evaluate it for myself.
	And with that being said, that's how I became conservative.
	You know, that's such a good way of putting it.
	And that really is, I think, the start of conservatism, right?
	Is that we have, there was that heat map that came out recently.
	They said, you know, they were looking at social media and they said, here are liberals and they're talking points.
	Here are conservatives, they're talking points.
	And they said the liberals, it was like a fist, right?
	Because it was all this one solid spot.
	They all talk about the same thing.
	They all believe the same thing.
	But then for conservatives, it was a web.
	And it was sort of, you know, and it was a cluster, but, you know, it was like, okay, here's your libertarians.
	Here's your America First guys.
	You know, here's your anti-trans.
	And there were various different nodes along this web because that's what conservatism is.
	It's not lockstep conformity.
	It is, in fact, critical thought and critical reasoning.
	Critical thought, critical reason, in comparison to emotionalism.
	The way that they're able to get certain people to have a heat map that's that strong is they get them emotional.
	And people that don't know how to manage their emotions, this is how they fall into a trap of being deceived 100%.
	If you do an evaluation, I haven't done it yet.
	I'm pretty sure if the science came out, it would be the people that tend to lean left and listen to the foolery that they're putting out in the media, they are doing it through weaponized empathy, weaponized emotions.
	And conservatives aren't those type of people.
	And that's why you see certain demographics of people that are leaning more conservative, whether it be sex or whether it be race or whatever, you see a difference in people's, the way they receive information, and you see the way it's presented by how they vote.
	No, it's absolutely true.
	And it's just now come out.
	They still finished the end of the final analysis of the election.
	Donald Trump won a majority of Hispanic males, a majority.
	So not just a lot.
	There wasn't just, no, he won them outright.
	And so we were told, we were told over and over and over that, oh, Donald Trump, he wants a wall.
	Donald Trump, he wants deportations.
	He's never going to win Hispanics.
	And yet he won all Hispanic men.
	How did he do that?
	Because they saw the status of their country.
	They said, wait a minute, who wants to get rich?
	Who wants to get jobs?
	Who wants to do all this?
	We do too.
	Money doesn't have a race, does it?
	Right, right, exactly.
	And what it boils down to is people with common sense are the people that will listen to a message of freedom, listen to the message of American exceptionalism.
	And those are the ones that will become conservative.
	And it's only a matter of time when people like you and I are presenting the truth that people will begin to wake up.
	Precisely that.
	Tell us your social media.
	Everybody knows it, but throw out your social media again.
	The officer Tatum on every single platform.
	You can find me.
	God bless you.
	God bless you, America.
	Thanks, man.
	Appreciate you.
	Take care.
	Jack is a great guy.
	He's written a fantastic book.
	Everybody's talking about it.
	Go get it.
	And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.
	And we're going to turn it around and make our country great again.
	Amen.
	All right, Jack Pasovic.
	We are here on the sidelines of the Turning Point Student Action Summit.
	We're talking to grassroots, we're talking to the Gen Zs.
	And so I had to, and this is what I do.
	You know, I find there's so many people that want to tell Gen Z what to think.
	And I'm like, maybe we should just listen.
	I don't know.
	Like, that's such a wild concept, a crazy concept that I do.
	So we've got one of our great Gen Z whisperers, Rubia Kolchuk, is here with us.
	Olivia, thank you so much for being on.
	First time in person, by the way.
	Pretty cool.
	Finally, it was inevitable.
	Is Olivia Kolchuk in Eva Pill?
	I don't know.
	Okay, maybe she is.
	All right.
	So I was asking before we came on, what is the hottest, you would say, when you go to post, when you're out there online, what is the hottest number one issue with Gen Z right now?
	I would say whenever I post, the most important or the one that blows up the most is definitely deportations, especially when we have a White House posting memes of deportations.
	It's hilarious, so I definitely think that appeals to Gen Z. So it's the memes about the deportations.
	So the memes, because what's funny is I remember there's a lot of people that have attacked the White House for posting things like this, so you're making light of it.
	Mike Solana wrote a 5,000-word essay denouncing me over a Studio Ghibli meme, but also he claimed that we were abusing anime by posting a meme about deportations, and I'm like, no, it's not abuse, it's communication.
	So do you think this actually helps to communicate to the younger audience?
	100%, absolutely, because what's appealing to a bunch of high schoolers or a bunch of people going into college?
	Meme.
	All they look at is social media.
	So I think being relatable in that aspect, and you can make it more lighthearted because I think it's hard to appeal to a bunch of high schoolers, get them interested in politics, but everything is so by the book and so serious.
	So I think that memes are not.
	They're not sitting down reading press releases.
	I don't even want to do that, so I think it's great.
	So when it comes down, and I agree completely, this is why I've always embraced memes.
	I think memes are, they cut across communication, you can communicate a message, but I could get into a whole dissertation on why the left can't meme.
	Because the only, I will say this, though, since we're on the subject, the only memes that go viral are the memes that are true.
	Because so for a meme to be a good meme, it must contain truth and be a distillation of truth.
	Because for a meme to be false, then it is not a meme, that's a forced meme.
	Yeah, I totally agree with that.
	So that's forced.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So all of which to say is the left cannot meme because they are memes themselves.
	Yes, that's actually such a great post.
	I might post out on X. I mean, you've seen the stuff that I post.
	I'm definitely very lighthearted.
	I'm not very serious.
	And I think that's how I have such a large base of young people.
	I mean, most of my following is 18 to 25, because I can appeal to them.
	I can relate to them.
	So then when it comes to the deportations issue, though, because I'll just say this is an issue that people, when I talk to millennials, Gen X, baby boomers, they want it, but as you skew older, it's not the highest issue there.
	Why is it such a big issue for Gen Z?
	Once again, I'm going to go back to it.
	I think just because it's funny, it's the thing that's pushed out the most.
	All the videos, when I go on TikTok or something, the first video to pop up is going to be from the ICE, from White House.
	Those videos up to me, yeah.
	Whenever I go on TikTok, that's the first thing to pop up.
	It gets the highest views on their accounts, things like that.
	So making this funny.
	I guess there is an angle too of sort of the economic situation of Gen Z. And whenever I read studies, you see how it's Gen Z just lagging way behind every generation that's come before in terms of being able to get into the workforce, be able to find work, to generate wealth, to get independently wealthy.
	And then it's like, I guess there's this idea, or perhaps the overall meme, is that it's this massive, which by the way, it isn't a meme, and that's going to be clear about this.
	It's funny, right?
	And they are funny, but they're funny because they're true.
	And the reason they connect is because there's truth to it.
	That yes, it is the illegal alien invasion that's actually creating this huge anchor and this huge weight on millennials, on Gen Z, on anyone who's trying to just survive in America today.
	I agree, and I think it's important that when people my age or younger see these memes, that they're able to go ahead and do some research.
	Like, why do we want illegals out so badly?
	You know, it opens up job opportunities.
	They're taking up spaces in colleges.
	We're school, I was just going to say, we're school opportunities.
	This is insane.
	I know three people actually from one of my best friends' colleges who are not able to return because they weren't here legally.
	I'm like, those are three spots that could have gone to United States citizens.
	Like, this is happening all across the nation.
	No, and by the way, that's not just illegals, that's these foreign students that are coming in that are getting let in.
	And by the way, they do that not because they're the best of the best or something.
	They do it because they have to pay full freight from, if they're from China, if they're from India or wherever, they pay full freight.
	So all these scholarships, et cetera, that are going to American students, those slots go over because they make more money.
	They make more money off of that kid.
	Exactly.
	And by the way, they're not coming here.
	They don't stay.
	They go back to their home country with what they learned.
	And if they're at Harvard, who knows, by the way, in many of these cases, they're stealing research from the United States and bringing it back to communist China.
	It's ridiculous.
	I hope that.
	And it's being taken from American kids.
	Yeah, I hope that these students realize when all these spaces open up in colleges and they get to the schools they want to go to, they actually go for degrees that matter as well.
	They're going to do the sciences and maths and stuff, but instead they're getting Starbucks Baristo degrees, and that's not going to help.
	So we definitely need to see a switch there as well.
	No, no, that's a huge part of it.
	Because you talk about feminism a lot as well, and that's something that I think that is indelibly tied right there.
	Yeah, let's kick women out of school.
	No, I'm just going to go to school.
	No, no, I definitely need to go to the next one.
	There was a meme going around about that not too long ago, since we are talking memes, where they said something about, well, women used to go to school to meet a husband, right?
	And they said, maybe if there's a way we could design colleges.
	Yeah, you can go, but you just stay away from the classics.
	No, but they go for sororities and the drinking life and to become a word I won't say on here.
	So that's why they're going to college.
	They're wasting tens of thousands of dollars.
	We need to end the degeneracy and return to tradition.
	Agreed.
	Olivia Kolchuk, where are people going to follow you?
	Olivia Kolchuk on X, TikTok, and Instagram.
	All right, God bless.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Jack Pesovic Student Action Summit, incredible weekend, incredible connections with incredible patriots.

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