THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 24 — DINKS and SINKS? Taylor Swift: Person of the Year?
In today's special Thanksgiving week edition of THOUGHTCRIME featuring Charlie Kirk, Jack Posobiec, Tyler Bowyer, and Blake Neff, the group debates riveting questions like:-Why did TIME pick Taylor Swift as Person of the Year?-What is a DINK, and is choosing to be one immoral?-Is Florida State's playoff snub proof that college football is ruined forever?THOUGHTCRIME streams LIVE exclusively on Rumble, every Thursday night at 8pm ET.Go to www.everylife.com and use code CHARLIE for 10% off your...
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Alright.
So, what is the first story?
First story, person of the year, Taylor Swift.
They had a lot of options they could have picked, but time went with the Swifties.
They're the most important.
Thank God.
Wow.
She pulled it off, boys.
She pulled it off.
She pulled it off.
Gosh.
Just love her so, so much.
I mean, just think of all her accomplishments, you know, her, you know, and then there was the the time that she, you know, with the children that she doesn't have and the Yeah.
What has she done?
What has she accomplished?
Actually, guys, can anyone name like a... She had a really... She is the most famous celebrity in the world.
That appears to be what the justification for it was.
It was just... Huh.
Well, who determines that?
So here's the opening line from the Time Person of the Year article.
If you guys want to bring it up on screen, if you can, we can show it here.
But, uh, Taylor Swift is telling me a story.
And when Taylor Swift tells you a story, you listen.
Because you know it's going to be good.
Not only because she's had an extraordinary life, but because she's an extraordinary storyteller.
Okay.
Alright.
So name some of her best stories.
Can anyone name some of her best stories?
There's that song, Romeo and Juliet, I don't remember, Love Story I guess is the name of the song, and she's in love with a guy, but their parents don't like the guy.
Isn't her whole genre about how she's childless and unmarried, isn't that her whole thing, which is rallying up young women to sing about their misery?
You know, she sings about happy stuff, too.
I think it's fascinating how she goes from that and still gives off virgin vibes the whole time.
She pulls from every category.
It's not the vibe I get.
Yeah, that's how parents treat her.
Parents think that she's like a virgin.
I totally agree with Tyler.
She's like the Virgin Mary. 100%.
Tyler's totally right, that if you talk to your normie suburban housewife, they think she's like Mother Mary, and I want my daughter to be like her, and she has a body count that needs an exponent.
Well, and here's the other part that you lay on top of it.
She's not even that attractive.
So like the entire paradox of this whole thing that she's made parents believe that she's like a virgin.
She has, you know, this well-accomplished career of not ever doing anything like that, like you should do in order to be a successful human being on planet Earth.
While at the same time being really subpar average, like if you didn't know who Taylor Swift was and you saw her in a shopping mall, she would be a 4, maybe a 5, like on her best day.
Like, as a normal person.
She's not a 4.
No, I'm not good at this.
She's not a 4 on her best day?
I'm not saying she's a 10.
I'm not saying she's a 9.
Tens of millions of dollars put into her, Jack.
Like, it's not.
Have you seen those memes?
You're not ugly.
You're just poor.
She's not a four.
She has spent all that money.
If she was normal Taylor Swift.
I'm not saying she's a 10.
I'm not saying she's a 10.
I'm not saying she's a 9.
Before the millions of dollars, she was a 5.
Yes.
A 4.
A 4.
She's like a 7 after spending probably $50 million on her book.
If you made a bell curve of the women in America in which an average person is 5, you would put Taylor Swift to the left of that.
Have you been to an amusement park in the last decade?
Have you been to a movie theater?
Have you been to a mall?
Have you been to an airport?
Have you been to an amusement park in the last decade?
Have you been to a movie theater?
Have you been to a mall?
Have you been to an amusement park in the last decade?
Have you Is it just me or are they trying really hard to make her look like an old kid?
It's the same thing.
- The ashes before money?
- Here's the real story.
- It's the same thing. - Here's the real story though.
The reason she can give off that vibe is she doesn't have a septum piercing.
I don't think she has, does she have any tattoos?
If they are, I don't know them off the top of my head.
- Not that we know of.
- Yeah, so no like prominent ones.
And like that goes a long way 'cause now she doesn't have a nose piercing.
Like she doesn't do all these things that an extremely large share of women do.
And I don't know why they do it because it's very off-putting, but it's very common now.
And so yeah, you come off you come off very does have one I think that's the Charlie's point.
That's why parents think she's the Virgin Mary because she's like the only She looks wholesome.
She looks wholesome.
She really does.
And so, Jack, sorry, you're remote, so sometimes we talk over you.
Jack, the floor is yours.
Oh, yeah, no, I was just going to say that, you know, we talked about this a couple of weeks ago, but, you know, the Travis Kelsey is just really the next addition to the Taylor Swift body count gallery.
The museum will be opened at the end of her career.
You know, when you really think about it, Charlie, I actually agree with you in terms of that, saying that whatever, whatever the, the machine makers, the factory mavens there in the entertainment industrial complex who have been working on the career of Taylor Swift, it's like, it's like first it was Britney Spears and then that got screwed up.
So they had to, they had to shelve that and move to the next one.
Then Hilary Duff, as they tried, then she kind of like faded into the shadows.
Then there was Miley Cyrus.
Miley Cyrus, I think everyone understands, Was a completely failed experiment, but with Taylor Swift, with Taylor Swift, they finally got it right.
She didn't go off the deep end.
They were like, okay, don't put her in the Disney machine.
Don't put her in the Disney box.
Something goes very, very wrong with girls when you put them in the Disney box as young girls.
We later found out with many, Ashley Simpson, by the way, is a huge example of that.
Ariana Grande has some names that she should probably name.
Dan Schneider, his feet fetish.
And and many others, but with Taylor Swift, right?
So she was able to kind of avoid all of those normal pitfalls that seem to seem to encumber many, you know, young starlet, I guess the name would be young starlets as they're on their way up.
I mean, I think she tried acting once or twice, but didn't really take off.
And and we have that.
I don't know if we have that clip, but there is that clip.
Speaking of her acting of when she you guys remember this thing when she went off on Um, Marsha Blackburn, I guess, in this documentary, quasi-documentary, talking about how, oh, Marsha Blackburn doesn't have Tennessee Christian values, which, you know, by the way, uh, Taylor Swift, you're, you're from Reading, Pennsylvania.
You're from like 30 minutes away from me in the Northeast.
You're not from Tennessee, not from the South.
Like you're, you're, you're not, you're, you're not from there.
She's actually from Wyoming.
She's just next to, Just next to running.
Do we have that?
Before we get into the cut, I think we should explain why this matters and for a number of reasons.
My theory is that they are going to be turning Taylor Swift into a ballot harvesting operation and turnout mechanism for the Democrats in 2024.
Whoever their nominee is going to be, looks like it's going to be Biden at this point.
But yeah, just like Oprah was in the past.
Like they tried to do with Vote or Die and Madonna even before that, right?
This is gonna be a whole new level of operation because the Swifties represent just a new type of fandom that we've never seen before and with the power of social media, they are gonna be turned on as like an abortion army to come forward in the 2024 election, I guarantee it.
Okay, so let's just kind of show 72.
This is a very, I don't understand this.
Here's Taylor Swift.
who you know she was endorsing joe biden but she did it with these like disgusting walmart cookies right back in 2020 as if i mean and by the way is this some sort of thing like i should be in the kitchen making cookies for you is that what you're trying to tell us taylor swift is that like your rightful place is to make cookies or something it's a very weird she didn't make those i think it's reading a bit much into that who's Who does that?
It's very strange.
If you're going to put complicated frosting designs on cookies, they always end up looking like kind of crappy sugar cookies.
Am I supposed to believe she actually made those?
I don't think so.
I think this whole thing is an op.
I don't think a lot of people are asking that question.
She definitely ordered them.
She wanted to endorse Joe Biden, so she got Joe Biden cookies.
I don't think it matters whether she made them or not.
It's not cute.
I don't find anything she does to be interesting.
- But that's the wholesome thing that you said. - She's a created op of the Mockingbird Media.
- What I would say is we talk about her all the time, so we clearly do find her interesting in some capacity.
- No, no, it's forced on us, that's not true.
I would never talk about her if this wasn't force-fed by the masters of the universe.
Time Magazine.
- And force-fed is-- - Travis Kelsey.
Oh, yeah.
Hold on.
You cannot watch an NFL game.
Travis Kelsey for State Farm.
Travis Kelsey for Pfizer.
Travis Kelsey for some random car insurance thing.
It's like, what company doesn't have Travis Kelsey?
I mean, I'm trying to watch a dang football game and it's Travis Kelsey for Uber Eats and Travis Kelsey for Subway.
Oh, by the way, Travis Kelsey for my auto and Travis Kelsey I'm telling you, that doesn't happen by mistake.
I'm supposed to believe that all these pre-scripted commercials... You're getting this backwards.
It's that Taylor Swift is fanatically, insanely popular, so she will be shoved into things.
It is not that... Wait, wait, wait.
So you're saying that Taylor Swift needs Travis Kelsey?
No, no, no.
The whole thing is a fake op.
I'm convinced of that.
I don't know whether the relationship is fake or not.
I'm not, what I'm saying is, I don't think Taylor Swift, they like, found Taylor Swift in a lab and said, we're going to make Taylor Swift popular so that she can then push Democrats.
No one's saying that, but it's the same with that Dua Lipa girl, and it's the same thing with Jennifer Lawrence, and they find people that they can use for cultural type influence, and Taylor Swift is perfect.
She's a liberal, but she doesn't overplay it in recent years.
She sells, she's the most popular, no one doubts that she's popular, of course.
Of course she's popular.
And she also, she's that demo that they want to dominate, which is upper middle class, white girls, suburban America.
That's their pathway to world domination.
And she controls that demo.
Of course we acknowledge she controls it.
I mean, we don't, you know, live on Neptune.
But this whole Travis Kelsey thing is so staged, right Jack?
I mean, you watch an NFL football game.
I remember Erica walks in, she says, what commercial is he not in?
I'm telling you, he's on like Experian.
He does the vaccine thing.
I kid you not.
I saw one NFL game and it was three in a row.
I got the list here.
I got the list.
This guy's not that good.
He's good, but he's not that good.
He's pretty good.
He's not that good.
He is probably the second most notable player on a team that has won, like, two Super Bowls in the last... First of all, without Patrick Mahomes, he would be a very average tight end.
Very average.
He'd be like... But he has Patrick Mahomes.
He's not Gronkowski.
He's maybe the talent... Gronk was in a million ads, too.
And he had Tom Brady.
Hold on.
First of all, Gronk is the different level.
Gronkowski is objectively funnier and more interesting than Travis.
Travis Kelsey's a goon.
Okay, how many commercials do you have of him?
You ready for the list?
And by the way, George Kittle is way better.
Experian, Accelerator, Active Energy, Lowe's, Campbell's Chunky Soup, Bud Light, of course, Nike, of course, Pfizer, of course, DirecTV, Tide, Old Spice, T-Mobile, Sleep Number, Hy-Vee, Dick's Sporting Goods.
Okay, counterpoint, Travis Kelce has had seven straight 1,000-yard receiving seasons.
Okay, I'm not saying he's bad.
Does it warrant this kind of cultural magnetism?
Yes.
And by the way, oh, it does.
Okay, so you go from... Nah, just come on.
Like, he is, like I said, he is the second most high-profile player on the best NFL team.
That's because they created it.
Okay, you're trying to tell me that Travis Kelce is more high-profile than Aaron Rodgers?
Probably not, but Aaron Rodgers was also in a million ads.
Hold on a second.
He also signed with CAA, which is like the Death Star.
Also, Aaron Rodgers would be in more ads, except Aaron Rodgers is weird and goes into the woods to do his mission quest.
I can name five NFL players with more name ID than Travis Kelsey, but they created it.
Travis Kelsey is what I'm getting at, and I know Blakey hates it when we go this deep, because it's not Not a conspiracy.
It's totally a conspiracy.
Travis Kelsey is an op.
He's an average football player who happens to have one of the greatest NFL quarterbacks ever.
And then you have Taylor Swift, who's also an op, who sells out audits.
And I'm supposed to believe that, oh, a love story.
I just happened to stumble into Mr. Fizer, Mr. State Farm, just in time for the 2024 election?
I don't believe it.
Mr. Fizer.
The Fizer thing is weird.
You think this is an op for the 2024 election?
Of course it is.
It's 100%.
Let's bring this in.
It's 100% of 2024.
Get out the vote operation to go through middle America to press the MAGA vote.
Try to win single women all under a Fizer's pharmaceutical regime so that we live in a dystopian hellscape.
All right.
All right, Charlie.
Yeah, but here's the point, though.
Maybe because he did the Fizer commercial, that's what actually opened up him to dating Taylor Swift.
So Taylor Swift is like, I'm only going to date people who show up in Pfizer commercials.
But Travis, of course, she would take that.
She was limited to... First of all, Travis has been accused of being a man-whore by a lot of other women.
So that would make him more attractive to other women.
Now we're talking!
Much more attractive to Taylor.
He's vaxxed, though.
A lot of women.
I know, that's... He's quadruple vaccinated.
Yeah, not a pureblood.
Jack, do you agree this is all an up?
It's so fake.
It's so fake.
This is the fakest relationship since Harry and Meghan.
It's like you see the two of them together.
There's no chemistry.
There's they actually have negative chemistry, negative Riz when you see the two of them together.
You're like, like, what is this?
I've seen faker relationships, you know, on like one of those, one of those, you know, broadcast dating shows than I've ever seen on one of those.
This is ridiculous.
This is so horrible.
And what I'm telling you, it's like, oh, we're going to be two celebrities.
We're just going to rule the roost together.
It's like we need, we have, they want to be the white Beyonce and Jay-Z.
But at least Beyonce and Jay-Z actually do have chemistry together.
When you see them together, you can tell they're in like a real relationship.
These look like two people that are on benzodiazepam the entire time.
And they have that like fluid smile that you see like, so good to see you.
They do that weird, like, they do that weird thing where I don't quite have a name for it yet.
But it's very millennial and it's sort of an, it's kind of like up talk, but it's like, When you can tell that they're lying, even though, because it's underspeak, so they're speaking under their breath.
So good to see you!
It's really great that you came!
I'm glad that you're here!
It's this really weird intonation, and it drives me completely nuts when people do it.
Separately from vocal fry, which also drives me nuts, but for different reasons.
Alright, let Blake... I'm just wondering, how much of this are you... Like, I haven't actually seen much footage of Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift together, because I don't follow this.
I'm mystified by... I'm a little worried, like, is Jack watching all these videos?
Is Jack a Swifty?
I'm supposed to believe he just organically, out of love, flew down to South America to be with Taylor Swift.
No, no, no, it's an op.
Didn't he just publicly ask her out, essentially?
The whole thing is very strange.
He goes to the concert, he wishes that, I'm telling you, somebody at CAA, somebody at the Creative Arts Agency said, oh, I see it.
Middle America, MAGA country that likes their football, their beer, and they have this, you know, childless dink, and we're gonna put them together, and, sink, sorry, Creative Arts Agency, which, by the way, is like the Death Star, And we're going to combine it.
And it's going to be good for business, good for Pfizer, good for all these things.
I want to play this.
Here is Taylor Swift, very upset about, oh, by the way, Eva Vladendingerbrook is going after Taylor Swift.
Good for her.
Play cut 87.
Really is a big deal.
She votes against, against fair pay for women.
She votes against the reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act, which is just basically protecting us from domestic abuse.
Stalking!
Stalking!
She votes, she thinks that if you're a gay couple, or even if you look like a gay couple, you should be allowed to be kicked out of a restaurant.
It's really basic human rights, and it's right and wrong at this point, and I can't see another commercial It's like you can see the cue cards next to the camera as she's reading off of this.
That's honestly some of the worst acting I've ever seen.
I live in Tennessee.
I am Christian.
That's not what we stand for.
That's not what we stand for.
It's like you can see the cue cards next to the camera as she's reading off of this.
That's honestly some of the worst acting I've ever seen.
I have no idea.
You know, if CAA is going to sign her for anything, you'd think they'd send her to like a couple of acting lessons first before they sign her for something like this.
It's ridiculous.
I can understand why Hollywood doesn't want to work with her.
She doesn't actually know how to read lines.
But we used to have this, I had this theory called Yellowstoning that I talked about, you know, for a while, this idea that, you know, they would take somebody like a Kevin Costner, like a show like Yellowstone, and then use that person and their, you know, their stature, their weight, their influence, with a certain audience to mobilize them towards progressive ideals.
So they started slipping these progressive ideas, woke characters into the show Yellowstone, of course, using Kevin Costner.
Then they also used Harrison Ford for this in one of the spinoffs there.
They did a Sylvester Stallone one.
So this is kind of like a similar PSYOP that's being run, you know, Charlie, to your point, it's on Middle America.
And so they're taking people who, I would say, have the aesthetics that would appeal to middle America, but then shifting them, nudging them into these liberal beliefs.
And that's what you see.
Obviously, Taylor is very poorly doing so because she's beating you over a hammer with it in that scene there.
But again, this is the exact same type of playbook that they've gone to again and again and again.
But because they have social media now, they have the ability to create their own marketing empire through it.
I just can't get over that.
It's Times Person of the Year.
They've given it to Hitler.
They've given it to Stalin.
They've given it to Putin.
They've given it to every U.S.
president that I can think of.
Trump.
They gave it to Trump.
They gave it to Trump.
Yeah, Trump.
I mean, you know, it's not morally the best person.
It is, like, the most important person of the year who captures the themes of the year.
And you pick Taylor Swift because she's a big celebrity?
Okay, like, even if her concert is the biggest concert tour ever, even if she's the most successful singer-entertainer ever, even if she is forging new frontiers in that, is that the biggest theme of 2023?
No, it should be- But then they say, well, who would you have chosen?
I think Elon.
It's not even close.
I think you've got to pick- I think you'd either pick ChatGPT, you know, half the time they do, like, Oh, the protester.
Entity of the year.
I think AI would have been interesting.
I think you could do AI.
You either do Chad GPD or Sam Altman if you need a person.
But you pick AI.
No, AI would have been legit.
Like, because that actually, AI is changing our world.
Yeah.
So, by the way, Elon, hello.
Look at what, I mean, I think Elon would have gotten it if he hadn't gotten it two years ago.
Elon did find it over AI.
So what, no, you could, you can get it more than once.
Yeah, you can.
He's even bigger now than he was two years ago.
They haven't, I don't think they've done a rerun other than a president in 17.
Taylor Swift had it in 17.
No, no.
Taylor Swift, in 2017, they gave it to, like, all the women of Me Too, and Taylor Swift was one of them.
She's a playwoman?
The co-woman of the year.
And in 2006, they gave it to everyone, so I guess she had it three times then.
Did they really?
Yeah.
They said you were the person of the year, because YouTube took off in 2006.
Yeah, no, AI would have been interesting.
That would have been actually legit.
If not AI, I think you could also say, like, Jack Smith or the prosecutor.
No, think about it.
The big theme of this election is this is the year where they're using every extrajudicial He could deserve it next year if he's successfully... No, I'm saying you're throwing it too far ahead.
Yeah, it has to be a little bit of what the year was defined as.
Who but Elon has defined this year, right?
Anyway, we could debate it, but last year was Zelensky, right?
And by, again, I just want to be... Andrew, by the way, I think I've converted Andrew.
The best evidence that this is an op is Travis Kelsey signed with CAA in May.
I have to dash for just a second here, but Jack, can you tell our audience what CAA is?
It's run by Ezekiel Emanuel, right?
Or Ari Emanuel?
One of those Emanuel brothers.
There's Rahm Emanuel, Ezekiel Emanuel, and Ari Emanuel.
They're like the Death Star.
And see, I think it's Ari Emanuel, if I'm not mistaken.
By the way, C.A.A.
has this huge headquarters in L.A.
It's very creepy in Century City, and they represent all the A-list celebrities.
All the A-list celebrities.
In fact, Jordan Peterson was once represented by them.
They dropped him.
And... Makes you think.
You can go to C.A.A.
dot com.
They are the Death Star, man.
Yeah, the main knock on C.A.A.
is that they were basically, and essentially, Harvey Weinstein's talent agency.
Um, and so this was the one that took Weinstein and made him sort of this, this household figure that put him behind and it is, yeah, Zari Emanuel and went through, um, you know, all of his films and then all of the actresses that he worked with by and large were okay.
Not every single actress or actor that he worked with was through CIA, but this was his preferred agency and everybody sort of knew this.
Um, basically that, um, if you made a negative comment about Harvey Weinstein, they were also You're also kind of Harvey Weinstein's enforcement arm when he was basically a sheriff of Hollywood, where if you made a negative comment, publicly or privately, about Harvey or about anyone who was part of CAA, you were done.
They just blacklisted you.
You were completely out if you did anything on, you know, and this is prior to the Me Too movement.
And so it's interesting, by the way, that CAA comes up again, because as we said before, So there's this confluence between Harvey Weinstein, CAA, Taylor Swift, Travis Kelce.
So all of a sudden, who's in the driver's seat again?
It's still Hollywood.
They got rid of Harvey.
But that doesn't mean that they got rid of the system that put Harvey in place.
Now there's just a new person who's the boss of the entire system.
And yeah, this is the major one.
When you're talking about your A-list celebs, the people who Basically, when you read all those magazines, those tabloid magazines about celebrity relationships, and this couple was seen here on the yacht, and this thing went on, that's all part of what the agents are putting together, what they want to put out.
And yes, there's lots of, you know, really scummy agencies out there.
There's independent agents out there.
Of course, everybody's heard these terrible stories.
The casting couch, et cetera, et cetera.
But CAA is the big dog, the top of the heap for every single one of them.
It just... I struggle to...
I guess I could see if anyone's going to have all of her personal relationships be an op, I guess it could be Taylor Swift.
She's a mastermind of publicity, which I guess the fact that we've talked about her endlessly for the past six months is proof enough of that.
I don't know, I think it's deranged when it's like, okay, so these, you know, we're gonna go sign Travis Kelsey to a new agency because we're anticipating that Trump will be the nominee next year, and then we need to have Taylor Swift be really popular so that she can tell people to not vote for Donald Trump, who, by the way, we're also going to knock off the ballot through all these other mechanisms.
It's just, I think we are Overestimating the ability for things to be centrally planned by, by anybody, to be honest.
I think, if you want to say her relationship's fake, I could buy that.
Celebrities have fake relationships all the time.
And, but, the point is, is she just shouldn't be person of the year, because that's weird and strange and deranged.
But, we have another topic, but first, Jack, do you want to do our read?
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No, honestly, though, like, like parents, you know, maybe like grandparents to parents, that kind of thing.
All right.
Speaking of children, speaking of Christmas, speaking of things that not everyone does.
When we had our kids, we got a lot of diapers from people because diapers are actually pretty expensive.
I believe it.
I believe it.
But, you know, people who are not going to have diapers is topic number two.
We have to have a conversation about the dink question.
Can I just say, can I just say, That, Blake, that was a fantastic transition.
That was a really good transition.
I do my best.
I'm learning.
I'm learning.
So, the dink question.
Dinks.
Dinks, the donks, the dunks.
It's the dinks.
Dual income, no kids.
They've existed forever, but now they're going viral because we have the national affliction known as TikTok, and they are making TikToks about it.
So we have to show some of those TikToks.
I believe the first one we have here is number 79.
So let's get the conversation going with that.
Why is nobody talking about being dinks?
Well, I'm freshly married and I'm gonna talk about it.
Here's her life as dinks in her early 30s.
No shocker here, folks.
Today we went to Costco.
We don't have kids to feed, but we got lots of money to spend on goodies.
Brian always checks out while I get a box, and then I sit here and look cute.
Here's the haul, and her total was $252.
The register game at Costco never gets old.
You cannot tell me that grocery shopping and a fresh slice of Costco pizza isn't a good date night.
I mean, you can tell me that, but I don't believe it.
Obviously, we had car cookies for dessert, and yeah, I will probably just make this a series now, so follow along for more dink content.
That woman doesn't have a good diet, but before we get into the conversation, we have, this is again, way too many people are making these, so, uh, we also have number 80.
Let's play that.
We're dinks.
We go to Trader Joe's and workout classes on the weekends.
We're dinks.
We get into snobby hobbies like skiing and golfing.
We're dinks.
We can go to Florida on a whim.
We're dinks.
We're already planning our European vacation next year.
Dinks.
We get a full eight hours of sleep.
And sometimes more.
We're dinks.
We get desserts and appetizers at restaurants.
We're dinks.
We can play with other kids and give them back.
We're dinks.
We still do it three times a week.
We're dinks.
We spend our discretionary income on $8 lattes.
We're dinks.
We max out our 401ks, Roth IRAs, and HSAs.
We're dinks.
We don't use our kids or dog as an excuse to leave a party.
We just leave.
I mean, three times a week?
That's...
That's actually not really that... Hey, at least... I'm just going to throw this out there.
You can have kids and still have sex.
I'm just going to throw it out there, folks.
In fact, that's how you get the kids in the first place.
Allegedly.
Well, I mean, at least it's the half step where they're promoting at least a relationship.
Yeah.
At least we can celebrate that there's a marriage here.
And you know, three times a week, there's like a decent odds they'll screw up at some point.
Yeah, I think the craziest thing that I've noticed since being a millennial and Jack, we're kind of in that same like age category.
We're just right there, which is like all our friends.
There's a lot of people who Have literally positioned themselves for I think I think the problem is they position themselves for over a decade that they're just not going to have kids no matter what.
And so now, like, the natural progression is that people are getting married now later on.
And that's fine.
Like, I'm not being judgy on, like, who has kids, who doesn't want to get married or whatever.
Like, I think earlier the better.
Great.
Whatever.
But they're getting married later on in life.
And so now this is like the half step before they have kids.
And my only fear is that by the time they realize they actually want to have kids, it'll be too late because they just like drug out their life for way too long.
So this ties into the Taylor Swift thing, because this has been a knock on Taylor Swift for years at this point.
There used to be this whole meme, you know, this could all kind of be like a sort of deep web reveal.
Blake, do you remember this one, the empty egg carton meme?
Far too well, far too well.
Last egg circling the drain.
Exactly.
So this was the idea that, and there was a certain YouTuber, former YouTuber, I guess, who got in trouble for, it was Stefan Molyneux, and who posted, you know, these, who just basically went on a tirade on Twitter and was like, look, you know, Taylor Swift is in her prime years who just basically went on a tirade on Twitter and was like, look, you know, Taylor Swift is in her prime years for child rearing, and she's spending all of this time going around, focused on Every single song is about having a relationship.
And yet, there's no actual time that she invests into it.
She just invests all her time into her career, and essentially herself.
And so the empty egg cart, this is like years ago, this is like five or six years ago that this was going on.
So even then, you know, even then, I guess she would have been her, like, kind of mid-20s, What's she like?
She's like, how old is she guys?
She's like 31 33 33.
I think she's maybe 34.
She was born in 89.
Right, right, right, right.
Yeah.
So turn 34 this year.
Yeah.
So she'll be, so she'll be 34.
Wow.
She is 34.
Okay.
I think she's maybe already 34.
No, she's 34 next week.
Look at that next week.
Yeah, she turned 34 this year.
So she'll be 34.
Wow.
She is 34, I think.
Okay.
I think she's maybe already 34.
No, she's 34 next week.
Look at that.
Next week.
Happy birthday.
Well, to that point, though, I think the horrifying thing is, and again, that's the important piece that you just hit on, which is that it's not whether or not you are married.
It's not whether or not you have kids.
It's about the desire and putting yourself in the right place to do those things.
Because there's I think the world that we live in today with social media and everything else is like It's actually more challenging, I think, arguably, than it ever has been to have a normal relationship.
It's more challenging than it's ever been to have... There's no privacy to raise your kids the same way.
You can make the argument, you could go live in a hole somewhere, but if you're not on normal social media and things like that, you're a weirdo in the eyes of regular suburban America.
So like you have to be in the spotlight in some way, shape or form more than what you are normally what the normal human being in the 80s or 90s was comfortable with.
And so now you have this issue of I think this is is that people are skittish.
It's like stage fright.
They're stage fright to that.
And I don't blame men for having stage fright to that.
Most of my friends like I talk to and I'm not even like it's like Jack or Charlie here, but like Blake, you and I have similar things where people kind of become aware of you through different things.
People are like, I want nothing to do with that because I couldn't have, I wouldn't be down with the introspection into my life from like the general public.
I wouldn't like that.
And I think there's an element of that just with social media in general, where guys feel like that, women feel like that.
And so they act differently.
And so at stage fright, so delays, that's adding to the delaying factor.
And now you've got into your mind that you've adopted that, like, hey, I'm not going to have kids for 10 years.
I'm not going to have kids for 20 years.
And then you finally do have a relationship.
And you're like, I'm sorry.
I'm not going to get married for 10 years.
I'm not going to get married for X amount of years.
And then you finally get in a relationship and then you're, that's like the justification that like that dink video, that, that video that you guys just posted, to me, it just like screams like justifying the reason why they're not having kids.
Rather than putting yourself in the position, like Jack is saying, that you want to have kids.
You want to try to get kids.
The sad part is, on the other side of the coin to that, there's so many people in this world that want to have kids that either can't get in a fortuitous relationship, they can't have kids physically for whatever reason, because of health issues or whatever.
And that, to me, is sad.
Going into that, these people might want kids later, eventually.
For a society obsessed with misinformation and disinformation, one of the biggest sources of misinformation out there is actually just about basic fertility.
Yeah.
It's really a lot harder.
It's a lot harder to have your first kid if you start trying only after 30.
Totally.
It's even things that aren't well known.
If you have already had a kid, it's way easier to have a second kid, even if it's later.
So if you're having your fourth kid at 35, way easier than if you're having your first kid at 35.
Your body detects these things.
It sort of detects, oh, this person, it's not taking, it's not going to happen.
And, you know, it shifts.
I don't know what I've, Do you want to say resources elsewhere?
And makes it way harder.
And so that's how you have all these people who, you know, they wait for the perfect moment.
And then at the perfect moment, it turns out you have to spend $70,000 on fertility treatments.
Or they're just sad the rest of their life.
Or they're sad.
And it's really sad.
I've had, I had some friends who had, who did thankfully have a kid, but they had issues for a long time.
And so they fell down the rabbit hole that is the Infertility community on the internet because everything has a community these days and it is really bad It is it is very clear for a lot of people that not having kids not being able to have kids Ruins their lives.
Yep.
It ruins their relationship with their parents.
It ruins their relationship with their spouse even if it's not because of a choice even if it's only due to a biological thing it just totally destroys people and I guess the other interesting flip side of it is this is we are living through the first era where really not having kids is a choice you can just easily make you know so you'd only have
Reliable birth control from about the 60s on and I think you have a hangover of a few decades where it's still so Abnormal to not have kids if you marry that it's still just everyone does it.
Well, that's the interesting part It's like we're in the era again and people talk equate this all the time We were talking a little bit about this with Rome and everything else is we're in the era of lifestyle choices right where lifestyle choices are So simple and so easy because we live in such a society that lifestyle choices are easy and these are problems that are created, that are generated because society is so
Simple and it's interesting because you know the forces of natural selection being what they are We are now going through a selection process of the only people having kids are the ones who choose to have kids and like having kids So it's kind of good news I guess in 50 years being parent being a parent will be better because everyone will have selected for how's that?
I love having kids.
How's that worked out in Europe though?
Well, you know, it's interesting, not even just Europe, South Korea.
South Korea, their fertility rate is down to 0.7.
So the average woman will have 0.7 kids.
That means in two generations, 100 people gets down to about 12 people.
And it's going to be really interesting if that pattern holds a long time, because your population is going to get massively shifted by what are the choices and life patterns of people who actually decide to show up for the future.
Because that's who the future goes to, who shows up for it.
Yeah, and so this is, this is a huge thing, but, but also when you really think about it, you know, I, the type of demographic that, you know, going back to the Taylor Swift set up, you know, it's, and I'm just going to say it since we're here on ThoughtCrime, um, you guys played all those videos.
We talked about Taylor Swift being a huge, huge part of this.
That was my contention earlier this week on, on Twitter.
I took a lot of crap for it, but I said, you know, prove me wrong.
Prove me wrong that Taylor Swift is not promoting a double income, no kids.
Lifestyle even though she's not married they said and then Swifties were like coming at me claiming.
Oh, it's not her fault It's it's you know, the fault of all these men and all this.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
I got it and so the you know, I guess the the big thing that I would take away is is and and Blake to your to your point as well like Have you noticed that all of the viral videos on the dink thing?
They're all white and Yes.
You notice that I haven't seen any of these promoted, or at least, you know, I'm sure there are dinks that are not, but the ones that seem to be getting promoted the most algorithmically are white.
Funny how that works.
Well, bluntly, I think they are the ones who often choose this.
I mean, the gay community is all dinks, right?
Yeah, the gay community is all dinks.
They're very white.
That's not true.
That's not true.
That is not true.
There's a lot of gay adoption.
There's a decent amount.
Not statistically.
Statistically, it's like, it's like tiny.
And like, and just in terms of deliberate childlessness, it does frankly seem to be a very, you know, upper class white people phenomenon.
Asians too, I suppose, but upper class Asians are just sort of considered white.
So the first time I ever heard of this was in China, um, like 10, 15 years ago.
The first time I ever heard of Dink, this was all the rage in China when I lived there, that they would say, oh yeah, double income, no kids.
This was the thing, double income, no kids.
And then they were even, and keep in mind, China obviously is a country that at the time was promoting population degrowth, population, or depopulation agenda, I guess.
So the one child policy.
And then even in China, the idea too was for tax purposes and for career and income, they were so hyper-focused on this.
Like, there's this sort of, you know, kind of old-school conservative belief that China is like this hyper-Marxist society.
But no, it's actually kind of the opposite.
Like, they are intensely career-focused and intensely competitive in terms of career and ranking and income in China.
You know, they're almost more hyper-capitalist than we are in certain ways.
Certainly not, you know, democratically.
They don't have any of that going on.
But in terms of economy, yeah, yeah, they really are.
And so they had this this total normalization of people being married and then living in countries or cities all over the country.
So you wouldn't even see your wife or your spouse unless you were basically going home for Golden Week, which is like their holidays.
So like you'd see your wife on the holidays and then that was it.
So there wouldn't even be an opportunity to have kids.
And so they would even take it to the next step and say, OK, we're married.
We are double income for tax purposes, but we don't even have like a real normal relationship in any meaningful way because it's all long distance.
And this was promoted in China.
I think it's really interesting.
It just reminded me of this is that Stalin, since we evoke Stalin's name here, Stalin actually taxed people for not having kids.
So they instituted it.
I think you could justify that.
And I think it'll be interesting.
If we start seeing serious population decline, we're all kind of wusses about it.
In all these Western countries, we do a child tax credit and it's worth a few thousand dollars a year.
But yeah, what if you just literally had like a single tax?
Well, I mean, but this is the point, like Marxists, true Marxists don't want you to be career driven, right?
True Marxists that want to control, you know, everything that they have, you have to have bodies, you have to have people, you want families, you want growth, you want them to be busy, not wanting to do extra stuff like, I mean, you heard in that dink, They're like, we can travel.
We can do whatever we want.
Like, that's not what that's not what the communists want.
Commies want you to be busy.
And so you work all day and then you come home and you and you have to take care of your kids, too.
And that's part of I think that that's part of like there's like two sides to it.
So there's no there's no evading you know, reproduction, like in the grand scheme of like the world, there's no evading children.
Like there's just not, you're not going to get away from it.
You're going to be forced into it.
Society is going to force you into it.
The question is like, how does society raise children?
And, you know, I think, and again, this goes back to, again, the traditional way is like single income, you know, dual roles rather than dual income, Single roles is a much better way.
And we are now are living in a society where it's dual income, single role rather than single income.
Dual roles within a household, because this is ultimately it ultimately breaks at families.
Because again, when you live your own life, you have your own your own separation.
I mean, this is kind of the conversation I think Tucker talks about all the time, or he used to talk about it quite a bit.
But, you know, going back to the start, I was just.
Oh, I actually.
Sorry.
You go, Jack.
You wonder what?
Yeah, I want to follow up on a little bit with Tyler said there, because this is something that does play Politically for, you know, the new right, this is a huge new right piece of the agenda.
And I wonder, and you and I obviously have talked about this many times, but if you want to give people an encapsulation, you know, you've talked about it before about how there's a huge opportunity here politically, you know, to focus on these millennials who want to go back to the single income household and then have a family that can be raised on a single household and then creating the economic conditions to make this possible.
J.D. Vance talks about this and others.
What do you see as a potential political win for if conservatives were to start adopting this language?
Yeah, I mean, I think that the future of what we're going to see is that, I mean, I don't think there's any turning the ship around.
I think the attack on gender identity is the satanic explicitness on an attack on the family and specifically wanting to promote more childlessness.
I think that's ultimately where you're at, because if you talk about this, and I was kind of just joking, but the greatest stink culture that exists within America is in the gay community.
Like there's just not that is that is the culture and in fact everybody has a gay friend and every every Man has a wife A lot of us on the show have gay enemies to okay We all we have gay friends our Our wives certainly have gay friends, and they look at their gay friends, and I've seen this, and actually I have an example of this.
Gonna kill you, Jack.
I have an example of this.
The FBI won't investigate.
I have a friend, this is a crazy story, I won't get into the details, but I have a friend who is married, newly married, And they were in a gay neighborhood in a big city in America.
A gay neighborhood?
They're not gay.
They're a man and a woman, married.
Sure.
I'm sure he tells her that a lot.
And they were thinking about having kids, right?
And they were thinking about that.
But the wife...
Like, had all these gay friends and loved the dink culture that was within the gay community.
Not the gay culture, the dink culture, which was like, they could go out and do whatever they wanted to do all the time.
They could brunch every week.
And her values changed overnight by who she hung out with because she was in that culture of like, I can brunch whenever I want.
I can mimosa every day.
Like, why would I want to have kids?
Like, I'm going to keep delaying and delaying.
Ultimately, Like, she adopted into that culture and they divorced very quickly, very rapidly.
But I mean, it's like a real thing.
It's sad.
So, because he should have been Person of the Year, as Charlie says, or at least second place, every time Elon Musk has an opinion, it becomes a story.
So Elon Musk reacted to this stuff earlier today.
If you guys want to bring it up on screen, Elon Musk hits out at viral videos of dink couples, saying there is an awful morality to those who choose not to have children.
And I was arguing about this with Charlie earlier, because there's a few levels to this.
Like, one, Elon Musk himself is like a step warlord where he's got 10 kids officially with, I think, four different women.
That we know of.
That we know of.
And I've heard rumors he might have, like, 40.
You know the Amber Heard one, right?
I'm not familiar with that specific one.
She has never publicly revealed the father of her daughter.
And we know that Elon and Now, she claims it was just a sperm donor.
However, people know that she was with Elon briefly.
This was so, okay, everybody knows that she was with Johnny Depp, of course, very public.
But briefly, after that relationship, she spent some time with Elon Musk when they were together.
Then a couple months after that relationship, she just kind of shows up with this daughter and says, oh, I have this daughter.
And I even heard rumors to that effect, like the sperm donor thing.
I've heard rumors that Musk just straight up will just, yeah, be a donor for people.
He is just a progeny maximizer.
He is not, it's not the carnal aspect that is most important here.
Yeah, this is very, um, you know, I mean, obviously we know that he is someone who's very supportive of surrogacy.
He's done this, he had, um, Twins, right?
With, you know, one of the executives at Neuralink recently.
We know that, I believe, at least one, if not both, of the children that he had with Grimes were via surrogacy.
And so, yeah, this is clearly something.
And then I believe his first wife that he's five children with, I forget if they're all boys or not, that was IVF.
So he's, you know, we were talking about the infertility It's interesting.
But, you know, just in the fertility, I guess the vast spectrum of fertility procedures out there, Elon is certainly a huge, huge proponent.
Yeah.
Think about it, though.
If you're if you're a genius, you have limitless amounts of money like you would just like.
It's interesting.
More don't do this.
Yeah.
You would just like it's like it's like parents of athletes, you know, that are like that want to have as many kids are pro athletes that want to have as many kids as they possibly can to make sure one of their kids becomes a pro athlete.
Have you heard about this?
Like, there's a lot of like when I was growing up, Brown family uncle, my uncle used to have a like a horse farm in Pennsylvania.
And so whenever you had one of your champion horses, you know, you would you would you turn into a stud after it was done.
It's racing.
And so you would you'd basically sell the sperm.
To the other breeders out there hoping that you would get a champion.
I mean, this is huge money, but can I say something?
That's a little bit thought-crimey This is like what pro athletes do so there's an argument that like pro athletes hook up with all these girls and have all these kids Because there's an element here where it's like, oh It's worth your money because the more kids you have the more likely that you'll end up with another pro athlete that comes out of your DNA bank Like, this is the same thing.
Like, if I'm Elon Musk, of course, like, just give everybody my sperm.
Anyone that wants to take it, there's like a thousand future Elons.
If you think you're a genius and that you're going to inject all these Genius DNA pulls back out into the world.
This could get really insane once like we could have just straight What if we have an artificial womb?
You don't even need another woman.
He probably does.
What if we get to that point where you can just have an artificial womb?
You could just have a rich guy even if he just wants it with one woman.
He could just have a hundred kids.
This is what James Younger was saying.
Yeah.
We can get some wild stuff.
Was that his name, James Younger?
Yeah, James Younger got into it with Libby Emmons over this recently because he was saying that, and keep in mind, James, this is a guy who obviously went through a lot.
He went through that.
This was the guy who had the divorce down in Texas, and then she moved with the kid to California, and they were going to try to do some kind of hormone therapy, you know, transgender sort of thing with the kid.
You know, I'm probably botching the details, but Anyway, it got to the point where he was so upset about everything that he went through that he and Libby Emmons got on TimCast together and he said, look, men shouldn't even, you know, now that we have surrogacy, why are men even pursuing relationships with women at all?
They should just, uh, you should just go ahead and use surrogacy, have kids, bring the men and cut the woman out completely.
Which I personally disagree with.
What a variety of reasons.
Are we talking about IVF?
We're talking about the Dink threat.
Well, actually, funny enough, it spiraled into us.
Sorry, I had to handle something.
So we were talking about how Elon has basically, so we started with Dink, and then we got to Elon, who's like the opposite of that.
We didn't use that term.
We didn't use the term herons, because it's not just harems.
It's that he's like all of the above, in terms of like, you know, the way, you know, IDF, CDC, etc.
I'll be honest.
The point I was going to throw out, though, is like, this is something that Plato kind of talks about in the Republic, where he says that, you know, marriage, you know, for the highest caste, the guardian class,
Um, you know, there's only, you know, your spouse will only be for, like, the duration of the sexual intercourse, there will be a ceremony, the best women will be chosen for the best men, and it, um, you know, it seems like Elon is trying to actually put that... Elon is trending, and if I ever meet him I'll tell him this, he's trending for the story of Solomon, who has everything and he ends up totally insane, and he also, I mean, one of the most powerful books of the whole Bible is Ecclesiastes, where he basically opens, like, a punk rocker,
We're the first verse of Ecclesiastes as meaningless, meaningless, meaningless, oh his life.
And Solomon's splendor was so great that Christ our Lord then repeats in the New Testament, he says, not even Solomon in all of his splendor would be clothed like you will in the next life.
And, I mean, Elon's like Solomon.
He's got like 90, like, we know how many women has he had?
Didn't he have like 900 or something?
Solomon or Elon?
Oh, oh, Elon.
I think Elon has like, what, 140 children or something?
Uh, so, he publicly has 10.
There's rumors he has dozens.
No, I've heard at least over 100.
Roaming about Austin.
I've heard over 100.
I suspect the legend will grow with time until eventually every child in America is Elon's.
Yeah, look, let me be clear.
If you're worth 250 billion dollars, there's worse things to spend money on than populating the species with geniuses, okay?
So, but, it doesn't make your life fulfilled.
Doesn't Nick Cannon have like a dozen kids?
There's like a Russian billionaire who just used surrogates to have a lot of kids.
Yeah, but what athlete has the most kids in America?
What athlete?
Probably Antonio Rodriguez-Cromartie.
Didn't Magic Johnson have like a hundred kids?
Didn't... Magic Johnson had a lot of things.
I know, but that's how he ended up where he ended up was because he had like... I'm saying that, but he was just like everywhere.
Everywhere.
Everywhere.
But he had lots of kids, too.
Magic Johnson was athlete with most kids in America.
I'm looking here.
Calvin Murphy had 14 children with 9 women.
Who's Calvin Murphy?
I don't know.
I just came up on this stupid, like, how stuff works.
Mike Tyson has 7 children.
No, but Solomon is a perfect example for where Elon is going.
Keep in mind, Philip Rivers, I think, is up to 11 or 12.
Is that right?
With one wife.
Oh, come on.
One woman.
Really?
Yes.
Nick Cannon has 12.
Phillip Rivers is a legend.
He was one of the most underrated NFL quarterbacks in history.
He's like a super Catholic.
He married his middle school sweetheart in college.
Tiffany Rivers.
Wow.
Good for him.
Drew Brees has 90 kids or something.
It's a lot.
Not as many as Philip Rivers.
Philip Rivers is the legend.
Evander Holyfield, 11 kids.
Ooh, wow, that's quite a few.
Didn't George Foreman also like name all of his sons George Foreman?
Muhammad Ali had nine.
But this isn't, this isn't like a, there's athletes out there that probably have dozens of kids.
Yeah, Blake, it was like George Foreman this Because he did Junior, and then the third, and then the fourth, but they were all his sons.
Okay, Foreman has twelve children, five sons and seven daughters, and his five sons are George Jr., George III, George IV, George V, and George VI, nicknamed Monk, Big Wheel, Red, and Little Joey.
I love this.
And then the first one, of course, is Junior.
So good.
He says, I named all my sons George, Edward, Foreman, so they would always have something in common.
The bigger question is how many.
I mean, if you stack rank them with all the abortions involved, that would be a lot.
Making me sad, man.
I don't want to think about that.
Well, but that's the Dink culture.
Dink culture is abortion culture.
Well, they say, the question is, is being a dink immoral?
Yes, being a dink intentionally not having, avoiding having children, whether through adoption.
I understand Barron.
I totally understand Barron.
Yeah, totally.
Like, that's a terrible thing.
I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
Or even just having struggles getting a relationship.
No, I totally understand that.
Like, most people can't get a relationship.
But that's what's so sick about the dink thing.
You have a partner and you're, you're, you're not, you're saying, no, I don't want to do the hard thing, the necessary thing.
I think that's really sick.
I really do.
Dink culture is abortion culture.
It is.
It's the same value system, which is that less children is more evil and it's more selfish.
It's more self-serving.
I mean, that's the, it's the opposite of why we're placed on this earth.
Somebody emailed our show, Charlie, you know, leave the dink people alone.
No, no, no, no, no.
They don't want to be left alone.
That's why they're on social media.
So don't give me that.
They go on social bragging about being a dick.
Go on TikTok.
Make your super TikTok.
And then leave me alone.
I want attention.
Wait, why am I getting attention?
Hold on a second.
You guys went on social media talking about how great it is, and you don't like to defend yourself?
And you're like, we're being doxed.
How are you being doxed if you go on TikTok talking about going to Costco and it only costs $250?
There's more to life than money.
There's more to life than resources.
Having kids is the greatest thing ever.
It's the greatest thing ever.
If you're going to say it's immoral, you can't just say it's great to have kids.
You have to say it is necessary to have kids.
It is your responsibility.
But look, some people have kids, and it's very tough.
They might have sicknesses.
They might be errant and all that.
But it is the moral obligation to continue the species.
And by the way, if you can't do that, then adopt kids.
Do something to continue the species.
To steward the next generation.
You have to.
Yeah.
There's no excuse not to.
The first video we showed.
If you look at a picture of a family reunion, and you just see there's always the patriarch and the matriarch.
There's always the grandpa, the grandma.
And usually the grandma.
I'm sitting at the center, and everyone can think of one of these photos.
And then you just see the children that came from her, the grandchildren, and you know, God willing, there's great grandchildren running around.
And you look at all that life that came from one person.
And nobody is sitting there going looking at that grandmother saying, gee, I wonder what her career was.
I wonder what her position was at the office.
I want to know if she had a corner desk.
No.
She's surrounded by her accomplishments right there.
Hot off the presses?
This is the total opposite of the dink culture or anything that Taylor Swift is promoting.
Hot off the presses, tweeted within the last two minutes, Cernovich on Twitter.
I was going to make this point, but he just did it better than I would anyway.
We're dinks.
We're renting bicycles to travel through Africa during our vacation.
Everyone would think that's cool.
But being some fat snack eater with a pencil goatee, buying chips in bulk at Costco while watching games all weekend is gross.
So that's part of it.
Yeah, if you're going to do a dink and do something really cool, it's probably still bad.
But it at least, you know, people would feel a little envious.
Like, I'm a dick.
I get to go to Costco and stuff my fat face with the Costco pizza!
Yeah, and by the way, nothing in any of these videos makes me envious.
Like, it just, it's sad.
I watch these videos, right?
It's just, it's sick.
It really is.
I think it's a mental problem.
I mean, and I, by the way, we know what's so sick about it is that the amount of emails I get of people with regret I can't have kids.
I wish I would.
That I totally understand.
I totally get that.
Or I should have prioritized it earlier.
This is an idea pathogen.
I think it's a major cope.
You know what it reminds me of?
Shout Your Abortion.
Dink culture is very similar to shouting your abortion.
Very similar.
People, one of the bad things with social media is it's created a much larger platform for the already bad pattern of essentially very loudly justifying your decisions to the world.
And essentially, you know, you don't, they're not having children.
So what they need to do is they need to have ideological children by convincing other people to do the same things as them.
Yes.
Well, I mean, and this is the other thing that I think bothers me the most.
I actually hate, I loathe when people post their personal information on, I think it's so embarrassing when people are like, go to social media and they talk about their personal relationships.
I just, I just hate that.
I think, you know, post on social media, whatever.
I think the name of the game should be post as little as you possibly can while still being like normally socially acceptable to society.
I think that's the, that's the vector.
That's just me.
I hate when my friends and people that I know that I actually care or once upon a time cared about go and they talk about all their problems too much.
They talk about their personal relationships.
And to me, like, this is the same thing, whether it's good or bad.
Like, it's always embarrassing when people are like, Oh, yeah, we're, we're so happy.
We're not having kids.
And then like, A month later, they're broken up.
And it's like, well, was that part of it?
Was that?
And then that starts messing with other people's heads, too.
Maybe in a good way, maybe in a bad way.
But like, I think a lot of people, they end up there again because they see on social media, they see their friends they never used to see.
You never used to see your friends' internal personal relationships.
They live down the street.
You never talk to them.
When's the last time you talked to your neighbor?
When's the last time you talked to one of your friends from high school?
You just don't.
You didn't.
Now on social media, you see all this stuff and you see your friend from high school is like, oh, he didn't decide to have kids.
You know, I had four.
Bing, bing, bing, right out of high school.
And in your head, you're miserable.
Bam.
Leads to divorce.
Bam.
Leads to, you know, finding a different relationship.
Bam.
Leads to not rearing for your children in the same way that you would have not been aware of what other people were doing.
I just think it's so unhealthy.
Yeah, Tyler, I think is exactly right on this.
I think it's a huge driver in depression and suicide, especially teen suicide.
So it used to be that, and Scott Adams talks about this on his podcast as well, that it used to be that you're sort of the pool of people that you compared yourself to was your town, was your hometown, was your workplace, was your school, was your site, your work site, whatever it was.
Yeah, your family or your intermediate family, the people you interacted with on a regular basis.
And that's how for all of human civilization, We have essentially grown and developed.
However, now through social media, you sort of are bombarded with this highlight reel.
And people have said this, even Aaron Rodgers once said this, that social media is like the highlights reel of life.
And it is in many ways.
But at the same time, you're also constantly comparing yourself to other people that you see that are.
So it leads to, and the people talked about this.
I think we talked about it here on the show once, where on dating apps now, it is so hard for if you're like a guy under, you know, I think OkCupid was one of the ones that put out these charts at one point.
That it's so hard for guys below like a certain, I don't know, level to be able to, like 1% of guys get like 80% of the girls on social, on these dating apps.
No, obviously I was on the 1%.
No, I'm just kidding.
But the idea being that you're constantly having to compete with a much wider pool in the same way that you're now competing with an almost universal global pool for all of these things.
For family, for vacations, for kids, who's got the best pictures.
It's a constant competition that's going on.
Whether you realize it or not, you're doing so subliminally while you're going through Instagram, while you're going through TikTok.
That's what's going on as you're looking through these images.
So, we're talking about major, you know... We gotta go soon, but yeah.
Soon, but we have to talk about something really immoral and bad, and it's not Dinks, it's not... Florida State?
No, it's the worst thing possible.
They didn't let Florida State into the playoff.
Is college football done here?
And the answer, truthfully, is it was done here a long time ago, but you guys were in denial about it.
I love college football.
The Ducks lost to Washington.
Big disappointment.
I was worried about it.
My worries were confirmed.
Washington is a better team.
They play better.
Who cares about who has more talent if you lose?
But no, Florida State should be in the playoff.
This is insane.
This is absolutely insane.
Yeah, but they didn't put them in because college football is a gross, distorted, warped version of what it once was, and it's kind of... I emphasize this because it's actually a weird barrier to, I think, necessary... like, actual things we need to do in America.
Like, I think a real reason you won't get conservatives at the state level go and, like, maybe get rid of affirmative action at their colleges or you know get rid of all the stuff is they're worried the ncaa will come in and be like well actually because of you guys are hostile to this or that you guys can't compete in you know the the preparation h bowl brought to you by tostitos next year and brought to you by travis kelsey yeah and like this is a real thing people are obsessed with college football
and i get it you like the team but it's weird and creepy where we're still this addicted to what is essentially just a semi-pro football league where the players get paid and they can freely sign with a different team and we'll call it a transfer and And we do all this, and we're still pretending that they're student-athletes?
No, just call a team, the Alabama Crimson Tide, and have them play in Tuscaloosa, and they're a semi-pro league that plays their players $250,000 a year.
That's effectively where we're at.
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