June 28, 2023 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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On today’s episode of Human Events, Jack Posobiec goes toe-to-toe with Andy McCarthy and the National Review on the Trump document case - this is commentary that you cannot miss! Poso is also joined by Richard Grenell with an important update on his trip to Kosovo. Jack also breaks down the rise in RFK’s popularity and it’s populist similarities to the MAGA movement with Tony Lyons, the Co-Chairman of American Values 2024 - all this and more on today’s Human Events with Jack Posobiec!Here’s y...
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And you've got anons like the great Wuhan clan that are arguing back in the comments saying, the documents were ordered released to Mar-a-Lago prior to the inauguration.
Nice try again.
And then he says, nothing was released to the public during his presidency.
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We didn't say they're released to the public.
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But of course, this is the issue, is they realize they've been caught with their pants all the way down, all the way down, and saying Trump needs to go to jail for the very same thing they defended Barack Obama for.
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Now, last week, We were having a discussion about the unrest in Kosovo, and it looked as though, and this was the opposite of what was going on during the Trump administration, we knew there were peace deals in the works for the Korean Peninsula, for the Middle East, the Abraham Accords, in the Balkans, with the Kosovo peace agreements that were being signed by the Special Envoy Rick Grenell, who was there, yet there were tensions kicking off again.
The Barack Obama, Victoria Nuland, who was in the Obama administration, Freudian slip right there, who's now back, was flaming these tensions even more today.
And then what happened?
Somebody went over at the behest of the locals to say, can you come to an agreement here?
And what's interesting is when they were asked about this very situation, who was it that was able to broker the new deal?
Well, the Biden administration refused to tell us.
Guys, let's play that clip right now so people can see what's going on.
And a former U.S.
official from the previous administration in meditating the release of the three Kosovo police officers.
I was told today that it was not a U.S.
former official from the previous administration, but in fact, Prime Minister Viktor Orban, who played a role in which decision to release the So I will not put myself in the position of speaking for former administration officials.
of what Matt asked today and the updates I have today, and whose diplomacy is responsible for the release? - So I will not put myself in the position of speaking for former administration officials.
I have a big enough job already.
I will speak for the United States government and what we did, which is call for the release of those three police officers.
And as I said yesterday, we were pleased to see their release.
As is often the case, success has a thousand fathers, and whatever the ultimate reason was that caused the authorities to release those three police officers, we were happy to see it happen.
Well, to hopefully shed light on this situation, because the Biden administration seems to have no idea what's going on in Kosovo, we are now excited to bring back on the show former Trump ambassador to the region, Rick Grinnell.
Ambassador Grinnell, could you possibly answer the question for the State Department there?
Look, that was a nice diplomatic dance.
What they admitted is that they called for the release.
And that's true.
They did call for the release.
My criticism is that they just didn't do anything but call.
They didn't do anything but speak words from Washington, D.C.
Look, here are the facts.
No American or EU official was going to North Kosovo to meet with the people who were most impacted, the people who were feeling the brunt, for the last six, seven, eight weeks.
And while the violence began to unfold, nobody would go there.
And I did.
I was welcomed there.
And there was a clear need to hear the people, hear their concerns, and to say to them, look, this is why the three police officers of Albanian ethnicity should be released.
And part of the reasoning Is because the Prime Minister of Kosovo has unilaterally made decisions to inflame the situation.
NATO has condemned him.
Both Republicans and Democrats have condemned him.
The Europeans have now condemned him.
But he was just being allowed to get away with this unilateral action.
And so I think everything shifted.
When I went, Jack, you know, I was told don't go because it's dangerous.
And I actually went without security.
I went on my own with a driver and was greeted.
Twenty different leaders sat down and talked with me.
We had long, lengthy conversations all day long.
I walked the streets.
I went to lunch and I really just presented the case to them so that they could hear why it was important.
Nobody had done that.
And the old adage of actually going and showing up is, you know, nine tenths of the work proved to be true.
And I will agree that there's a whole bunch of people that deserve credit that continue to talk about this.
Certainly Albanian Prime Minister Idi Rama, Orban.
But I wouldn't give much credit to the Biden administration or the Europeans.
They're the ones who are supposedly in charge and they wouldn't show up.
Matter of fact, the EU official who is in charge I was in Washington talking with Victoria Nuland and they both were wagging their finger at the region when I was actually in the region.
So I think diplomacy means you gotta do the tough work.
And I'll just say this, I've worked at the State Department for 11 years.
The State Department officials, they want to do the tough work.
They don't want to be evacuated out.
There's so many State Department officials who want to do diplomacy, but This is an administration that removes the diplomats and just marches towards war so fast.
I find it to be sad and a real problem.
We need tough diplomats and we need the Democrats to stop making fun of tough diplomats, but putting in their own tough diplomats.
I mean, Ambassador, these images of you just walking down the street or juxtaposed with, and if anyone's watching some of the video from the region prior to your visit, there have been protests, there was violence, it spilled over into even people getting into fights with some of the NATO peacekeeping forces that are there.
The idea that you went without security, I mean, that's something that I haven't seen anyone from the Biden administration that was willing to do.
When you were in the region, did they try to contact you at all?
Did the Kosovo security force try to contact you?
Anything like that?
Or was there complete radio silence on their end?
Well, as you know, Jack, I go pretty often to the region, and not this last visit, but the visit before, I did get a call from the NSC just to say, you know, what are you hearing?
Can you just help us out on, you know, what you're hearing on the ground?
I spoke, I ran into, when I was in the region, in my hotel, I was in the hotel lobby, and I ran into a Democratic U.S.
Senator.
I don't want to say who it was, but I ran into a Democratic senator, a senator who did not vote for me and who has been very critical of MAGA policies.
But this individual senator said to me, you know, he asked me a question.
He said, were you dealing with all of this when you were the presidential envoy?
And I said, you know, to be honest, Senator, we were talking about getting rid of NATO troops because the conflict was largely dying down and we were signing economic agreements.
And normalization agreements, but now you're adding NATO troops.
And that's because you put the Biden policy is that the Europeans are in charge, and that the Americans are not going to take a lead role.
And I told this senator, that's a mistake.
You've got to have American leadership.
There is no replacement for American leadership.
And this US Democratic senator said to me, you'll be surprised, Rick, but I agree with you.
So shortly after that is when the White House called and said, can we get a readout?
So I don't know if that Democratic Senator tipped them off or what, but I gave a readout to the Biden people, the Biden NSC, and then radio silence, I didn't hear anything.
And so when I went to the region, I still didn't hear from them.
But I will also tell you that after I got back from the region, I spoke to a very senior US State Department official.
And I said, why Isn't anyone from the US going to North Kosovo to speak to the people most impacted?
And his response to me was, our diplomatic security review says it's too dangerous for an American to go.
And I said, I had lunch with those people today.
I mean, show up.
This is what you're supposed to do.
You're a diplomat.
You're not supposed to be, you know, in Paris, sipping wine and drinking Uh, brandy and having nice meals.
You're supposed to go to the region and do diplomacy.
Diplomacy is tough.
It's not for the weak.
I mean, this this is just an incredible story.
And and by the way, that should be the way things are done.
The fact that they reached out to you, whether it's, you know, Republican, Democrat, conservative, liberal at home, abroad, we should be able to work together because hopefully we're all putting the best interests of the United States forward.
And I would certainly hope that a peace agreement Whether it's Ukraine, whether it's Balkans, whether it's Korea, China, etc.
is always going to be better and in the interest of the American people as opposed to anything else.
We're speaking with Ambassador Grinnell.
We're going to take a quick break, but come right back.
This is a fascinating story, and when we come back, Ambassador, I'd love to ask you just if you can reveal any other details about what it was like During your time there, your ability to put this together, and where you think the current status of this is going.
Because of course, just a couple of weeks ago, we were talking about potential NATO operations resuming in Kosovo.
Now suddenly, the standoff is over.
You're getting these police officers who had been detained, who were released.
This is what we should all want.
This is what we should all work for.
But it turns out that there are some people who don't.
Okay, we're back.
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I want to continue our fascinating interview with Ambassador Rick Grinnell.
He's just returned from the Balkans, where he was essentially instrumental, I would say.
And to your point, Ambassador, not all by yourself.
Obviously, a lot of people had a hand in this.
But securing this agreement to end the standoff.
I'll say at least the the current one that was going on regarding these these couple of police officers had crossed the line and they were being detained and there was a question of what the status was.
They were eventually released.
Tell me what was it like when you were there?
Were you hearing the same type of tensions flare up again or was it another another situation where people seemed like they wanted to be able to work things out?
Look, I think this whole region is a tinderbox right now, and one of the reasons why is because the international community has really lost its credibility.
And let me kind of explain.
I constantly get hit from people saying, you're too pro-Serb, or you're too pro-Albanian, or too pro-Kosovo.
I like the fact that I'm in the middle, I call it like I see it, and I think I'm the only person in the world, I think this is a fact, that has received the highest medal of honor from the government of Serbia and separately from the government of Kosovo.
So I'm proud to be in the middle.
But when I push the Serbian government, which I have for years, I try to pull them away from Russia.
You know, roughly 50% of the people in Serbia are pro-Russian.
They grew up with speaking Russian.
And so it's a very complicated issue.
I've always made the case that Serbia's future is with America, not with Russia or China.
I constantly have that messaging going forward, and I've been very pleased to see the Serb government move towards America.
The Minister of Defense, who was pro-Russian before and is now totally pro-American, pro-West, pro-EU.
They've done a decent job of moving away from Russia during the Ukraine war.
President Vucic has been very clear about condemning that war.
You know, there's been criticism of Vucic to do more on sanctions, which we're constantly pushing him on.
But you've got to understand that his His people, 50% Russian and 50% West.
It's a very difficult situation.
We have to continue pressuring the Serbs.
But the difference is right now, is that the Prime Minister of Kosovo is vehemently anti-American.
He will say that he's not, but there's not a single American policy, a Western policy, that he has ever supported throughout his entire life.
And he has now received, the Prime Minister of Kosovo, has received condemnation from NATO, all of the European countries, Republicans and Democrats in America.
That is unprecedented to see a Kosovo leader being so condemned.
But I think it's because everybody sees exactly what's happening.
So when the Albanian Kosovar police officers were detained in Serbia, really the narrative switched.
And suddenly the Serbs were in a position of saying, wait a minute, We've been blaming Kosovo for their unilateral action, which we continue to do, but you got to release these police officers, otherwise we can't go forward and it seems to be inflaming the situation.
When I went to the region and I talked to the individuals who were Serb inside of Kosovo, they said, look, this is just a reaction because we're being bullied by the Prime Minister of Kosovo.
We can't move.
We're locked down.
We've got their special forces intimidating us.
So the emotions were high.
And what I tried to do is say to the Serbs, you need to release these individuals so that the international community can go back to putting pressure on the Kosovo leader, Elben Kurti.
And I made that case pretty hard.
And I think a lot of people did.
Again, the Prime Minister of Albania, Edi Rama, member of NATO, he was very instrumental.
I spoke to him and he had Very tough words for trying to de-escalate this as well.
But there was only one person, me, that was willing to go in and talk to them and present this case.
And so I wish that we could have more bipartisan support.
Let me just finish very quickly with this Democratic senator that I spoke about.
I said to this guy, you know, I'm totally willing to work.
With a presidential envoy that Joe Biden appoints to the region, but it needs to be somebody who can walk into the Oval Office and get President Biden's attention, not somebody at the State Department that has to request a meeting at the White House, but somebody who is credible, who can walk in and get stuff done.
That's what you need in a presidential envoy, is somebody who Biden trusts, somebody that, you know, is a foreign policy person who's got credibility with both the Serbs and Kosovo and Albania.
And they just, I'm sure that there's somebody out there that would take this job and show American leadership.
And that was my, the case that I made to this Democratic senator, and he agreed with that as well.
And hopefully they're moving in that direction.
I don't see any sign.
I still think they leave it with the State Department and, you know, anything in Anthony Blinken's portfolio tends to just go away like mush.
There's no action there.
So it's frustrating, but I don't think this de-escalation is just going to stick forever.
We've got to continue pressing forward.
Somebody needs to pick this up, and it needs to be an American with diplomatic muscle.
Well, I think that's right.
I mean, it reduces Dimash.
I mean, Tony Blinken, of course, is really, and I think rightfully, by the way, he pinned down with a lot of the responsibility for what happened in Afghanistan and the way, you know, he was clearly in charge of the failed withdrawal there, the situation.
We don't even need to relitigate it.
We all saw what happened.
That being said, when you look at the Balkans, when you look at Kosovo, Serbia, obviously North Kosovo being specifically the region that's targeted now where this is simmering, what do you see going forward?
Do you see an ability for a continuation?
Essentially what it sounds like you are talking about is that there is a sort of bipartisanship spirit that you are unilaterally Just basically able to work on, not only by putting the Serbs and Albanians together, but also here in the U.S., Republicans and Democrats.
Look, I've been blunt, and this doesn't go over very well with people who, some, I should say, some people in Kosovo.
But the current prime minister in Kosovo, Elvin Kurti, is a disaster.
And again, he's being condemned by every single, you know, corner.
From NATO to Europe to all sides of the aisle in America.
And that's unprecedented.
Americans have done a lot for the people of Kosovo.
We've been there and we have never seen a leader that is so anti-American.
Look, it's the Indiana National Guard that is in Kosovo right now.
Texas is coming in July, the Texas National Guard.
Iowa National Guard has been there.
Uh, in the past for a very long time.
Um, this has American, um, national security implications.
There's no question.
Our people are there and we're paying for it.
And so we need to make sure that we don't just allow these things to linger.
You know, I spent eight years at the UN Jack and we've got 12 peacekeeping operations there.
Uh, some of those have been around for 50 years.
A couple of those peacekeeping operations are a billion dollars a year that just get rolled over.
American taxpayers are paying 25% of that.
And so we need people who are holding these people to account, to a standard.
We just can't have peacekeeping operations that go on for 50 years with no benchmarking.
That's not good government.
I don't care when I stand up and I say that this is unacceptable and we've got to change these, that I'm attacked for being, you know, mean-spirited or whatever they want to say, biased.
I want there to be results.
There's got to be peace to have a peacekeeper.
And if you're not going to have peace and you're not going to be able to demonstrate that you know how to get along with your neighbor, then, you know, maybe we don't need to be paying for peacekeepers.
You need to work it out and you let us know when you want some peacekeepers.
That's exactly right.
Because of course, peacekeeping missions are intended to be temporary, at least when they're authorized.
That's kind of the, that's the original point if people like go back to their, you know, International Relations 101 from back in school.
Ambassador Grinnell, thank you so much for this interview.
And thank you for your efforts as well in working to keep the peace.
Where can people go to follow you to follow your work to get more information on your next moves?
Well, thanks, Jack, for always covering these great issues.
I encourage people to, if you're interested in foreign policy, you've got to follow Jack Posovic.
I mean, it's always something that is at the top of your content list, and I love it.
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All right, Ambassador Grinnell, thank you so much for joining us here, Human Events.
And yes, this is true.
We at Human Events, we work very hard to put our geopolitical hat on, not only with my history from being an intelligence officer focused on the Chinese Communist Party, But everything that's going on now, Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, everything that's happening in the world, we're putting in the hours, we're putting in the time, we're working out sources all around the world on a regular basis to crunch down on this.
But I want to go from international relations to domestic relations.
We're going to talk about the 2024 election and the rise of RFK.
And we're going to speak to RFK's publisher, Tony Lyons will join us next here on Human Events.
You need to pay attention to this because we can't overlook the fact that there's a Kennedy running for president.
He's out there.
Stay tuned.
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Well, in the spirit of bipartisanship, just as we were talking about in the last segment, we try to be nice.
We try to be nice when things do warrant themselves.
We try to be fair.
I'll put it that way.
We're always fair.
I wanted to bring on now Tony Lyons.
He is the publisher of Sky Horse Books and also the co-chair and co-founder of American Values 2024.
Tony joins us now to talk about the sudden and perhaps not so surprising rise Of RFK Jr.
Tony, thank you for joining us here at Human Events.
Yeah, thanks for having me on.
So Tony, it's amazing to me when I look at RFK Jr., you know, obviously everyone's known him his whole life because of the family, because of the lineage, then, you know, more so because of his work in the public sector, first on environmental issues, then on, you know, eventually pharmaceutical issues, public health issues.
I think that got him a lot of crossover appeal into conservative spaces, into the right, into the center.
He writes this, and then last year, of course, he wrote that huge book on Dr. Anthony Fauci, which you guys were able to publish.
It became sort of the number one book in the country that no one wanted to talk about, or at least no one in the mainstream media wanted to talk about.
And now he's building on all of that, riding that wave into a huge campaign.
He's done every major show, he's done every major podcast, except this one, I should add.
Though we did do an event together last year for the anti-vaccine mandate march, where I was, full disclosure, I was able to meet him as well, Dr. Malone, Dr. McCullough, a few others that were at the event.
It was a great event, happy to stand up against mandates.
Put your political cap on me for a minute.
Why is it that he's picking up so much support, at least on the populist left side with other members of traditional Democrat families?
What is it about RFK Jr.
that seems to be striking a chord right now?
Well, what's happening, you know, when his book came out last year, you know, The Real Anthony Fauci was the most censored book in my lifetime.
And yet it still sold 1.1 million copies.
So, you know, he was banned from advertising, from all the big tech platforms.
He was censored in every way.
They were hit pieces in all the major newspapers just day after day.
But the American people rebelled and they just wouldn't accept that.
So I think the same kind of thing is happening now with him as a candidate.
It's one thing to censor somebody's book.
But this is a democracy.
And people see that he's being censored, that he's being taken off all the big tech platforms when he's just trying to tell his point of view, his view of how this country ought to be run to the public.
And that somehow is being considered misinformation.
So that's just wrong.
And I think people recognize that it's wrong and they just won't stand for it.
And they see that people call him dangerous, but he's just a danger to the swamp.
He's the danger to big corporations who are corrupt, to a government that's corrupt.
And that's what I think is bringing people to him from the left, from the right, from the center.
They see it's not about left or right.
It's about right or wrong.
It's about having a politician that's willing to tell you the truth.
Well, I think that's right, you know, and look, I know that when I talk to our, you know, our audience, when I get messages, when we talk about RFK Jr., they say, you know, I'll get people who say, hey, he's not with us on the social issues.
And I say, you know what?
I get that.
But I do also hear a lot of people saying, you know what?
I'm skeptical of some of these new vaccines.
I have questions about the vaccine schedule for children.
I have questions about the national security agencies, which obviously we were just talking about earlier in the program here.
And suddenly we're not, you know, it's like those of us who have all had all these questions, we're not used to having a guy who's a Democrat with the last name of Kennedy actually be in agreement with us.
Yeah, sure.
I mean, I, I think that a lot of the crossover is coming from people who just hate censorship, people who believe in this country, and they think that the values of this country, the constitutional values of free speech and of protecting the country, protecting the border,
protecting our rights, these are things that transcend political protecting our rights, these are things that transcend political party, and they want a politician who's gonna stand up for them, who's gonna fight for their children's health, and who's really gonna try to set this country straight, who's gonna decouple the federal agencies who are supposed to be protecting who's gonna decouple the federal agencies who are supposed to be protecting us from protecting big pharmaceutical Well, I think that's right,
And essentially that's the populist appeal.
And I think when he was on Joe Rogan very recently and he was asked about President Trump, it's essentially the same thing that he said.
He said, look, the middle class is under attack right now.
They've been under attack for a long time.
And suddenly nobody seemed to actually be talking about that because so many people were getting rich off of it, both sides of the aisle.
And then he mentioned that's really what led to Trump Having that firebrand success in 2016 was because he rode that very same wave.
It's also interesting, by the way, and I'm sure you've taken notice of this as well, that he and President Trump have been kind of trading compliments back and forth, which of course is not something that Donald Trump is exactly known for when it comes to other presidential candidates.
What do you think is driving that?
Well, they're both kind of outsiders and they're both being censored and vilified.
you know, in the same kinds of ways.
So if you believe in democracy, you shouldn't want to have a president taken off Twitter.
You shouldn't want to have presidential candidates, you know, treated like they can just be kicked off every major big tech platforms, that they cannot be covered, that they can be vilified in every way.
You know, that's not what happens in a democracy.
So it's not about whether you're for Trump or for Kennedy, it's that you're for certain constitutional values.
And those values are at stake here.
And I think that that's what people are recognizing on the left and the right.
They're recognizing that all of our rights are at stake, and that if we don't protect Bobby Kennedy and Donald Trump's right to campaign, you know, openly and freely, that our whole democracy is at stake.
Well, I couldn't agree more, Tony.
And, you know, when I look at it, it's kind of the question.
I think Americans love fairness.
Americans love the idea of fair play.
We also love a good fight.
We love a good competition.
But at the same time, when someone's watching, whether it's the, you know, whether it's the local Little League game or the World Series or whether it's You know, pick up football in the backyard or the Super Bowl.
We don't like when it feels like the umpires or the referees are in for one side or the other.
We don't like when there's double standards.
We don't like when there's calls that are made that seem to be putting their finger on the scale.
And yet, in this case, that's exactly what it seems like with censorship.
And I think that's what turns a lot of people off Sure, and I mean, even people on the left are sick and tired of what the DNC is doing.
They're keeping Bobby Kennedy out of polling.
They're trying to keep him out of the mainstream as much as they can.
And I mean, even people on the left are sick and tired of what the DNC is doing, you know, that they're they're keeping Bobby Kennedy out of polling.
You know, they're they're they're trying to keep him out of the mainstream as much as they can.
They don't want to have, you know, free and open debates.
And the American public wants that.
They demand that.
So I think that what's going to happen is that there is going to be a revolution and that people are not willing to accept this anymore, that they're not willing to accept that Joe Biden doesn't even have to run, that he doesn't have to do what Bobby Kennedy is doing.
I mean, Bobby Kennedy is becoming a folk hero because he's traveling all around the country, going up In all locations, showing up at the border and breaking news, showing that people are walking across the border, you know, freely from countries all around the world, that there are people flying into Mexico City, taking a bus to the border and just walking across the border.
I mean, that is just not acceptable.
And we need to have a country that is safe, that is protected, where the children are protected, where our health is protected by the government.
And not have a government that's kind of preying on us, that's limiting our rights, and that is, you know, gutting the middle class, that is hurting the environment, that is getting us in wars all around the world that don't benefit us.
And the American public, I mean, 53% of the people in this country now don't have a thousand dollars in the bank.
I mean, Bobby Kennedy pointed that out last week.
And, you know, that's a shocking number.
Tony, we are coming up on a break.
I'd love to hold you over after this segment because these issues, these economic issues, these kitchen table issues, the pocketbook issues, these are the very same issues that I think the mainstream debate completely ignores because they don't want to talk about this.
They don't want to talk about how Americans are getting poorer while the elites are getting richer.
Stay tuned.
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Now, Tony, I gotta ask you, because we're getting comments in, we're getting questions in, every time I bring up RFK Jr., the number one question I get Yeah, so I have no idea whether either of them would actually want to do that, but it is a fascinating question because they clearly are both populists.
some kind of deal, some kind of sharing agreement.
What do you think about those rumors?
Could something like that actually be hammered out behind the scenes?
So I have no idea whether either of them would actually want to do that.
But it is a fascinating question because they clearly are both populist.
They're both, you know, a real danger to the mainstream, to the mainstream media, to the government, to the big corporations, to the handful of billionaires who are running this country at the expense of the middle class.
So I think that they do have things in common.
You know, Trump talks about building a wall, You know, Bobby talks all about making the southern border impervious.
So, you know, Trump doesn't like foreign wars.
Bobby says we should not be getting into these foreign wars.
We should bring the troops home.
We should spend that $200 billion rebuilding the middle class, building roads in this country, rebuilding this country to the city on a hill that it could be.
So I think that there's a lot in common there.
And so, you know, whether they could actually partner together as a sort of like a like a party that that would just be to kind of heal this country, to heal the divide.
You know, I don't think that's going to happen, but I can see the draw of it.
No, I agree with you.
It seems as though, I'll put it this way, for every person I hear who suggests it, I hear two or three more that say, not so much that they're against it, but that they just don't see it happening.
That being said though, I have been hearing some talk from names that I can't say on air because I'm not privy to, or I'm not at liberty to say, I guess I would say, but names that everyone would recognize if I said them that have been saying they are banging the drum for a potential ticket here because of that.
Now let me ask you this, since we're in the speculation camp here, and I think you're right, by the way, from a populist perspective, There are so many of these economic issues, and I do view these, by the way, foreign policy, war, trade, immigration.
When it really comes down to it, these are all economic and national security posture issues.
If not Trump, okay, if that's not the ticket, who do you think would be a good VP candidate to balance the ticket out for Bobby Kennedy?
Yeah, that's a tough question.
That's something that I need to think about.
I mean, I'm so focused on trying to help Bobby Kennedy.
I just think he's such a good candidate.
He's such an honest candidate who has no conflicts of interest, who's just going to go out there, and on his first day, he's going to clean up the federal agencies of this country and make sure that they start working for the common people of this country, for the middle class.
You know, so so I think that when you look at what's happening and you see the way people are reacting to him when he posts a picture of himself, you know, doing pushups or a short clip of himself lifting weights, you see he gets 15 million views that the American public are really desperate you see he gets 15 million views that the American public are really desperate for a candidate who they can believe in, somebody who's who's physically fit, somebody who's honest, who's trustworthy and who's going
And they also see and you can't miss it, that places like The New York Times, The Daily Beast, for example, ran five articles in a two day period, you know, taking down Bobby Kennedy, trying to shut him down in any way they could.
And what you're seeing is that the DNC is terrified of him because he is a candidate who people will believe.
They'll believe in him if they can get an honest view of who he is.
So if there were debate now.
Nobody who hears Bobby Kennedy debate with Joe Biden is going to want to vote for Biden.
I mean, that's just a fact.
I mean, Biden cannot handle it.
He cannot stand up to Kennedy.
And so I think that that this is a turning point.
This is an inflection point in history where the mainstream media is going to do everything to shut Bobby Kennedy down.
And it's going to be the podcast, the radio shows, you know, candidates speaking directly to the public that's going to win this election for Bobby Kennedy.
No, I agree with you.
I think that the rise of independent media is directly in proportion to the rise of RFK in terms of this because if it wasn't for independent, obviously, publishers like Skyhorse, if it wasn't for independent podcasts like what we do here at Real America's Voice, I saw him on All In, I saw him on Rogan.
These have been incredible interviews with him where he goes through a wide range of topics.
Interviews, by the way, that Joe Biden would never Do you would never see Joe Biden or really any of these, you know, establishment type politicians hacks.
I call them.
I call them.
They're just hacks.
But I got to I got to ask, by the way, on that VP question, you know, there's another there's another political I'm not going to say candidate, but political former candidate that I notice always posts a lot of of some of those fitness videos also talks a lot of populism.
That's Tulsi Gabbard.
The former congresswoman out of Hawaii.
I feel like Tulsi and Bobby Kenney might be a little simpatico there.
I don't know what you think about that.
That I think is a real chance.
You know, hard to tell and I haven't actually heard anything.
But I could see that and I would think that she would be really helpful to him.
I could see that as well.
Tony Lyons, tell people where can they go to find more information about what you guys are doing and what are your direct coordinates?
Yeah, so the best place to go is AmericanValues2024.org, or you can find me on Instagram at ponylionsisuncertain.
Amen.
God bless you, Tony.
God bless you for the fight.
Folks, I've said it before.
We are in a fight for the future.
A war for the future.
Whether or not one candidate or another wins this race, we are up against a regime.
We're up against an establishment.
We are looking at the fights around the world, from the Balkans To Ukraine, Russia, to China, to Taiwan.
We're seeing the fights of the erosion of our freedoms as the China model is now being imported through organizations like the WEF, the WHO, the Great Reset.
What is that?
It's putting Chinese-style, CCP-style authoritarianism here on our own shores in the West.
Is that the future we want for our children?
Is that the future we want for our families?
If not, then the time to fight, the time to do something about it is right now, and that is why we are speaking out.
And if the guys at Neocon Review, which I'm told, by the way, by our sources there, are melting down behind the scenes, if they don't like it, They are going to just have to deal with it.
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