June 12, 2023 - Human Events Daily - Jack Posobiec
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EPISODE 493: TRUMP SEES POLLS SURGE IN WAKE OF INDICTMENTS
In today's episode of Human Events with Jack Posobiec, Poso is joined by National Pulse Editor-In-Chief, Raheem Kassam where he gives exclusive insight into Trump’s weekend on the campaign trail. From Trump’s impromptu Waffle House visit to his demeanor in reaction to the pending classified documents trial - Human Events has it for you first! Jack is also joined by Robert C Cahaly where the duo break down the latest polling numbers surrounding the Republican Primary and dive into whether or n...
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We are in a fifth generational conflict.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah!
Holy f**k!
For every lie they tell, we're going to get in their face and yell two truths.
This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.
He's done nothing wrong.
He said that.
This is completely politically motivated.
It's election interference at its best by a political opponent.
We cannot afford to have cowards.
We need strong people because our country is going to hell.
They're actually doubling down on their support for former President Donald Trump.
They see this indictment as further proof of every level of government and the press are going unfairly after Trump.
I think it's a bunch of bulls**t.
Trump ain't done that wrong.
The only thing Trump's done is save this country.
They're not gonna let it stop.
They can't stand the fact that he's running for president.
And I am a Donald Trump fan.
This is so political.
In 2016, I mean, every election we've now seen this, Diana.
2016, it was a dossier.
2018, it was the Mueller investigation.
2020, they suppressed the Biden laptop story with the 51 former intel officials.
Let me stop you right there, sir.
First of all, I want to go back to just one of the things that you said.
It's no coincidence they indicted me the very same day it was revealed that the FBI hid explosive evidence that Joe Biden took a $5 million illegal bribe from Ukraine.
In this whole fake indictment, they don't even once mention The Presidential Records Act, which is really the ruling act because they want to use something called the Espionage Act.
Doesn't that sound terrible?
Oh, espionage!
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition Human Events with Jack Posobiec.
Today is June 12, 2023.
Anno Domini.
Folks, we've got a lot going on in the world.
Taiwan secretly looking at evacuation plans for the American citizens that are there.
We're also seeing on the ground in Ukraine this counteroffensive by Ukrainian forces being bogged down by Russian minefields, Russian attacks.
We're gonna get Tony Schafer on, Lieutenant Colonel, later in the week to go through this.
Also, at this moment, at this hour, Trump Force One has taken off from the New York area, from New Jersey, Newark.
He is currently en route to Miami.
He will be landing, spending the night at Trump Doral, and then heading to the Miami Federal Courthouse.
This is the Southern District of Florida, downtown Miami, tomorrow.
for his arraignment his second arraignment in just as many months as he was just in new york city uh conducting another arraignment on formerly and and futilely false premises as you saw up there but i had to get on mr rahim kasam who knows a little something about trump force one rahim kasam of the national polls joins us now how you doing jack -
Okay, so Rahim, tell us, you actually got to spend time with the president.
You rode on Trump Force One.
What was the mood?
What was it like?
Walk us through it.
Paint the picture.
Yeah, well, you know, the first thing I will say about that whole operation, and it's the operation of, you know, not just being on a plane and going somewhere, but, you know, everything getting organized in advance, everything, you know, being right for when, you know, their principal, the former president, Get there to the airport, get on the plane, get through the plane, get situated.
All of that stuff is so fascinating.
It's so meticulous.
You're dealing of course with federal authorities, you're dealing with at least three different local sets of authorities, you're dealing with campaign staff, you're dealing with obviously the mercurial nature of Trump himself.
It's all fascinating to watch.
Let me cut you off real quick because it looks like we're hitting an audio issue.
I'm not sure if it's your end, I'm not sure if it's Rav's end.
Let's take a second, we're going to deal with that real quick here.
But folks, we need to understand that this indictment of President Trump, this situation that he falls into, It goes back to a larger fight between not only President Trump, but all presidents, the administrative state, the deep state.
The question is who actually has the power in this country?
Do the elected representatives of the people have power or is power Generated and held by this unelected cabal of federal bureaucrats.
That's what you're seeing here.
That's the underlying fight and they are spreading insane Blue Anon level conspiracy theories.
They're spreading insane, uh, uh, just, just tangents completely out of it because they know that this comes down to a document.
And by the way, Bill Barr, Where is Bill Barr when it comes to Joe Biden?
He said, oh, President Trump is toast.
That's what Bill Barr said.
He said, President Trump is toast.
Well, the question that I would have to say is, where were you when it came to Biden?
Where were you when it came to Biden, when it came to Hunter, when it came to the laptop, when it came to the bribery, when it came to the fact that these reports were coming in in 2017?
We knew we had him publicly speaking about this in 2017.
President Trump asked the question about it and then it turned into his first impeachment.
And so my question for everyone out here is, my question for Bill Barr is, what are you going to do about it?
Look, you have so many people out there who To for lack of a better term, they view themselves as institutionalists.
They view themselves as the protectors of the system.
This is where you get the uniparty duopoly from, because they view their job as holding up the institutions, and Republicans traditionally are institutionalists.
That's sort of the idea of conservatism, right?
The idea of conservatism is that we are going to preserve the status quo, we're going to preserve civilization as it's been built, and that includes the institutions that uphold civilization.
But what happens?
When every single one of those institutions becomes fundamentally corrupted, and you get these people crawling out of the woodwork that say, well, you know, we'll, you know, we'll go after some people here, grab some people there, but fundamentally, they're not on the side of the people.
They become more and more on the side of the institution.
And we're seeing that now because there's only one man, one man, Who's actually stepping up to try to do something right.
And that is why you're gonna see this death of a thousand cut strategy on President Trump.
You think this is gonna be the last indictment?
There's gonna be an indictment here, Georgia, and then D.C.
is gonna come down, as we talked about with Julie Kelly last week.
D.C.
is gonna come down, this seditious conspiracy over January 6th.
They want to use this to go after him.
To try to knock him off the ballot and they're not going to stop folks.
Look, and I'm going to go through...
A little bit later in the show, we're going to get Raheem back up here, fix what was going on because I want to get his information out.
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Raheem Kassam.
Okay, we are live.
Raheem Kassam had some audio issues in segment one.
I think the audience could hear him, but I couldn't hear him.
So, Raheem, if you could go back, walk us through again as we're watching Trump Force One.
It's making its way down to Miami.
You actually flew on the plane this weekend.
Yeah, that's right, Jack.
As I was saying, the process of actually how that all takes place is fascinating.
There's so many other moving parts going on all around.
Lots of different law enforcement agencies involved, federal level, local level.
And in all these different places we went to, visiting Georgia and North Carolina in the same day, from Newark, returning to Newark by the end of the day.
And the fascinating thing about all of it is his energy.
It's his energy levels.
is that this is a man in his 70s who was clearly the one with all of the energy left at the end of the day.
You know, you look around at the staff, you look around at the pilots and the police and all of this, and Trump's the one still going.
He's the one who still wants to blast the music.
He's the one who still wants to hang out and chat, you know, as the plane's landing and everybody's trying to go to bed.
And I have to tell you this, you know, from my interactions with him and from observing his interactions, both with the public and in the Waffle House, no less, and all across the day's events.
Uh, that man is more upbeat than I think I've seen him in years and years and years.
He was so happy to be out there with people.
He was jovial.
He was jovial with us, you know, behind the scenes, um, you know, with the doors closed and the cameras off.
Um, everything was, everything was chipper.
And I think, you know, if, if, if what the deep state is trying to do here is, is intimidate or frustrate Donald Trump, um, they're doing quite the opposite.
They are, they are energizing Donald Trump.
Well I think it's incredible because of course you read the mainstream narrative on this and it's all the walls are closing in, this is done, he's been caught, he's selling records to the Saudis and that's how Jared was able to get money and they've got their whole Blue Anon archipelago of conspiracies that all fit together.
together and all fits together now rachel maddow chomping at the bit and then you go and look at these videos and he's he's shaking hands with a woman in a wheelchair he's going to a waffle house he's and and quite frankly i would actually go and say this and you you were there so maybe you could a different take than me but just watching it from afar it to me those events or those moments of him interacting with people even overshadowed the actual speeches themselves oh yeah i mean massively
so as good as the speeches in in georgia and that Yeah, I'm not putting down the speeches, but... Yeah, no, but you're right.
As well as they were received in Georgia and North Carolina...
You know, what was trending on social media at the end of the day?
It was Waffle House, right?
And it was videos from in the Waffle House.
For the first time trending for not because of a fight at a Waffle House.
That is the first time that Waffle House has trended without somebody receiving stitches as a result of all of it.
And the ladies that baked him his mother's meatloaf recipe and wanted to give it to him.
And all of those moments that you see, and it's hectic for sure.
I've been in the throes of campaign moments like that previously, and it's everything it's supposed to be, right?
There's pushing, there's shoving, people are running between cars and restaurants and places just to get a quick peek at him.
You know, just to look through the window at him.
Lining up on the street for hours and hours with homemade placards just so that they can, you know, wave it as the motorcade goes by for 10-15 seconds.
That is the dedication out there.
And he gives the dedication back in return.
He doesn't have to stop off at Waffle House unscripted, you know, and start talking to people and buying them waffles.
But he does it because he loves it.
And he does it because he knows that, you know, there are other candidates out there who don't even necessarily have to name names.
They can't connect with people at that level.
They can't just go hang out with them.
And I think Trump loves to show that he's always been a man of the people and remains to this day, despite everything, a man of the people.
I was actually just going to remark on that.
This transcends politics because even before his political career, you would see him, whether it be on the street in New York or while walking through one of his hotel lobbies or a casino, Trump Taj Mahal, I even remember, you know, in the 1990s in Atlantic City.
That he was always sort of a fixture who'd be walking around, he'd be shaking hands, hobnobbing with, yes, of course, all of his celebrity friends, but you could just come up to him and he would say hi and slap you on the back and, you know, the big tipper.
I mean, there's always been a sense, and this is what I say, and I respond to people who say, oh, it's a cult, it's a cult.
I don't think it's a cult.
I think it's just the fact that there's a lot of people out there that when you take someone from that level that they walk right past you as if you don't exist and yet he will stay there, lock eyes with you, shake your hand and show you respect and treat you with a level of dignity that they are not used to and that's where the connection comes from and it's not something that you can quantify in politics.
Look, it's a cult in the same way that The, you know, fandom for Elvis Presley was a cult.
You could call it a cult if you really wanted to.
You can call it a cult if you're being mean and nasty and frankly jealous, right?
Jealous about it.
Very jealous.
But what you're really talking about here, and you know, I'm writing a big article about that day and my impressions of that day, and National Pulse members will get that article over at thenationalpulse.com.
I encourage everybody to go and sign up immediately.
You won't get this analysis anywhere else.
You won't get this kind of insight anywhere else.
I'm not just saying my insight's the best, although it is.
What I'm saying is every person that goes on that plane from the corporate media is going to just try and belittle and demean.
And I'm going to tell you what really goes on there.
And one of the things I do in the article, Jack, is I compare him to Elvis Presley.
You know, not least because he and I actually connected over of Elvis Presley on the plane.
But I started to think about it and think about his connection with kind of that America And what it looks like today.
Where America stands today.
And who is Elvis Presley in modern America?
And it is Donald Trump!
Not the closest you can come to.
Raheem, we're coming up on a break.
Can you hang for a little bit?
Or are you going to bounce?
I've got to bounce, Jack.
I have... Many, many other things.
But if people want to go to TheNaturalPulse.com... You've got an article to write.
You've got analysis to get out.
Tell us, pale people, where they can find it when they get the chance.
Yes, I'm going to be finishing this, and then I'm giving a speech to the DC Young Republicans this evening, so I've got to figure out what I'm going to say there.
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There you go.
Appreciate it, Raheem.
Thank you for your work, your travels.
You know, spent the weekend outside, spent time with the kids, but you working all day on a Friday and a Saturday.
And I'm back at Bedminster tomorrow.
And you'll be back up there tomorrow.
I've got a little something else I have to do, but I will be in communication with you because we need to find out everything that's going on.
Look, it's the same thing, folks.
He gets indicted in New York.
Then he heads down to have a rally at Mar-a-Lago.
He gets indicted in Miami.
Then he flies back up and he's having another sort of mini rally at Bedminster tomorrow.
Remarks will be held.
President Trump, stay tuned.
Come right back.
Donald will throw anyone and everyone under the bus in order to preserve his own freedom, in order to benefit himself.
I think the DOJ should be, if they're not already looking at the unholy relationship that exists between Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman and Jared Kushner.
I mean, this whole two plus billion dollars to an unqualified, you know, hedge funder makes no sense to me.
And in light of the information that came out, that there was military information on Iran, and we all know that Saudi Arabia has had, you know, Iranian aggression on their mind for a long time.
Who knows what was shown to them?
Who knows what was discussed?
Who knows what was sold?
None of us.
And I do believe that our law enforcement, because we have the greatest law enforcement in the world, they can find anything.
And I believe that they will find a lot of information that goes outside of Trump, even though I do believe he probably had his hand in it, that he certainly knows about it.
And chances are, if he had his hand in it and he knew about it, he profited from it.
OK, Trump force one currently headed south across New Jersey.
He'll be headed all the way south down to Miami.
We know that he's going to be staying.
President Trump staying in Miami tonight, headed over for an arraignment tomorrow afternoon, and then flying back to Bedminster.
Raheem Kassam will be there.
I've also got some folks that will be there this time around.
But we need to break down what Michael Cohen was saying right there, and I want to explain this to everybody.
It's amazing, right?
So what they're trying to do is answer this question.
So they're answering the question of, because there's a huge gaping hole in this.
There's a lot of gaping holes in the indictment.
One of the biggest gaping holes is why?
Why would President Trump keep all of this if it wasn't obviously for the National Archives?
So there's the obvious reality.
Okay, fine.
the presidents keep their records and then they work with the National Archives and it eventually goes into the presidential library, which the presidential libraries are branches of the National Archives.
Okay, fine.
But if you're on the Blue Anon media, if you're part of the MSNBC crowd, the wine moms, they are asking themselves, what's the story?
What's the motive?
What's the background?
Remember, these are the same people that are addicted to true crime podcasts, they're addicted to Jake Tapper, Joy Reid, all these people that are always constantly figuring out these crazy theories.
Remember, they all still believe that the Steele dossier is 100% true.
They all believe it.
And so you've got to come in and give that extra little twist for it to make sense.
Okay, so he's keeping the documents, but why?
Why is he keeping the documents?
What is it?
Oh, you know what it is?
He's got information about Iran, right?
So he's selling that information.
Here we go.
He's selling that information to the Saudis.
Of course, now that's not actually alleged in Any of the indictments.
So if that were true, there'd be some, you know, I don't know, evidence of this, but of course there isn't.
It's also completely ridiculous on its face because the United States has been a partner with the Gulf Cooperation Council in the Middle East, particularly in the Persian slash Arabian Gulf, whichever long story about, you know, the fight over how to name this.
And DOD, you have to say Arabian Gulf, you can't say Persian Gulf.
And so, the United States has had an intel agreement with Saudi Arabia over stuff like this for a long time.
So you just sound stupid.
You just sound stupid and uninformed if you actually think that that's something that President Trump is doing.
Uh, and that there's like a payoff, and the payoff is all the money.
No, no.
You really think the Saudis need Donald Trump to figure out what's going on in Iran?
No, I think they know, actually.
I think they know.
But, plus, here's the other problem, is if you actually do read the indictment, and I've read every page of it, That's ridiculous.
But it says right on page one that President Trump was talking about, right, and you have to read between the lines a little bit because it doesn't say the country name.
He was talking about Milley pushing him to go to war with Iran and showing him invasion plans and President Trump shut it down.
Well, who wants the United States to go to war with Iran?
The Saudis!
At the time, it was the Saudis and the GCC.
Iran was their No.
1 near-peer competitor.
They were their No.
1 competitor in terms of the oil market, their business economic competitor.
Now, they are, it looks like they're starting to actually kind of normalize relations going along with the rise of BRICS, because you have to fast forward ahead now to where we are, the rise of BRICS.
China, Russia working together with OPEC.
That they're all selling money.
They're selling oil to China now, selling the petroleum in.
And the fact is that President Trump was shutting down World War III.
He was saying, no, we're not going to invade.
He was doing the opposite of what the Saudis were doing.
To these people, they can't even keep their story straight.
Can't keep it straight.
And we should even do, I might even have to break down this idea of why, what is the constitutionality of the Presidential Records Act?
And why is it that the Espionage Act is not the controlling law when it comes to the President?
It has to do with the Constitution.
And a little part of the Constitution that we read when Marjorie Taylor Greene was on here the other day, Article 2, Section 2.
So the beginning of Article 2 of the Constitution.
The President, the executive power is vested in the Presidency.
Article 2, Section 2.
The President is the Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy.
That is a plenary power.
There is no other Commander-in-Chief.
Where does this come from?
Remember the framework, and Alexander Hamilton talks about this in the Federalist Papers, the framework that they were working through was the British monarchy, the crown.
And so under the monarch, right, under the British crown, The king had the right to raise the military and conduct war.
But what they did in the Federalist Papers, and then later in the Constitution, the Federalist Papers explain this, they break up the war powers.
The president has the power to not declare war or raise an army.
That's given to Congress.
But the president has the ability to conduct war and conduct national security and deploy troops and institute military operations.
I'm not getting into the War Powers Act, but that all comes later.
My point here is, is that the power over national security documents comes through this concept that comes to us by the way of monarchy.
The president is the supreme commander in chief.
He has supreme power over national security information.
These documents and these laws do not apply to the president or any president or former president the same way they do to any other member of the chain of command or any other civilian.
Because all of this goes and flows through, remember, the executive power is vested in the presidency.
Going on Mark Levin on you, right?
So if it's vested in the presidency, the question is, Does the bureaucracy want that?
And that is what they are trying to truly assault.
Not just for President Trump, but for every future president.
They want to steal the power over national security for themselves.
They want to be the ones in control.
The unelected, administrative, permanent state.
That's what's going on here.
Robert Gihalli from Trafalgar comes up next.
All right, we are keeping track of President Trump's plane.
Trump Force One now winging down to Florida.
He's passing South Carolina.
He's going to pass Savannah, the beautiful city of Savannah.
Stop in Savannah any chance you get.
If you would happen to be down in Georgia, it is absolutely one of the jewels of the South.
I could not specify more.
They've got a crime issue.
They do have a crime issue that they need to fight with now.
But if you look at the history of Savannah, it's also a place where I love to go because every time I'm around and we stop in Savannah, we go and pay our respects to General Pulaski because General Pulaski Right there in Savannah, that's where he died, leading a charge just like a Polish Hussar would.
Leading a charge directly into the British.
Was actually killed by a barrage of grapeshot while he rode the cavalry in with the Americans.
Came over from Poland, trained up the United States cavalry, saved the life of George Washington, ends up dying in the Battle of Savannah.
In the American Revolutionary War.
In fact, one of the only people in all of U.S.
history to be granted honorary U.S.
citizenship by the U.S.
Congress.
But folks, when we have these issues, when we have these issues that go down, we always have to dig it into, how is it playing out in the polls?
What's the response of the electorate?
Is this something?
Would there be potentially an opportunity for the deep state for the government to be able to come in and say you know what these indictments are so bad you got you know people who are at least I would say Well, there's a couple of reasons, by the way, that we should be skeptical of those claims.
Number one, because we have to ask, what is their true motivation?
for Trump.
Plus you've got all these people, these talking heads, the anti-Trumpers out there saying Trump is done, this indictment, he's finally, he's finito, he's done, it's the end of it.
Well, there's a couple of reasons, by the way, that we should be skeptical of those claims.
Number one, because we have to ask, what is their true motivation?
Number two, we have to ask, is this case even going to go to trial before the election?
Because keep in mind that if this case gets pushed out, typically you have an 18-month lag time between indictment and trial.
That's just the federal system to begin with, okay?
Keep in mind the same thing is playing out with January 6th right now because you have people, it's been what, two plus, two and a half years since January 6th.
There's still people waiting for trial at this moment, two and a half years later for something that happened two and a half years ago.
President Trump, if he went to trial, if he followed that typical, let's just take the average, 18 months, that would be what?
December 2024, a month after the election.
He could already be president-elect at that point, which sets up such a constitutional crisis in this country that we've never even seen before.
It's completely unprecedented.
We're in absolutely uncharted water here.
Plus this judge, it is, it turns out that the judge has been, and they're going after her like crazy because Trump appointed her.
And this is the judge who was, and they're selected at random.
They are selected at random at this level.
They're trying to get rid of her.
They want her off the case.
But again, then that would have to go up to the district level to have to go, or excuse me, to the appellate level.
And then who oversees the 11th circuit for the Supreme Court?
It's Clarence Thomas.
I would say at this point, unless she recuses, and there's going to be a drumbeat to recuse.
There is, and there already is.
It's already out there.
They've been doing it all weekend.
They want her to recuse from this case.
But unless she stands strong and fights back, the opposite of what Jeff Sessions did, by the way, A lifetime ago, it feels like, because he recused himself extremely early.
Never should have been Attorney General, if he planned to recuse himself, by the way.
I've always said Jeff Sessions would have been fine DHS Secretary, and so many other issues could have been solved.
Get a serious Trump AG in there.
A serious someone who wanted to focus on the Department of Justice and dealing with the problems that we had would have been great.
Yeah, Eileen Cannon.
Producer Angel, give me a name.
Eileen Cannon, that's her name there.
But, we also have to say, even if this does go to trial, that district is a district that's been trending for Trump.
Miami Dade, and keep in mind the district is more than just Miami Dade, but Miami Dade went very close to flipping for Trump in 20, did flip for DeSantis in 22.
There is almost a, I would say, a high level chance, not 100%, you can never say 100%, but I'd say 80 to 85% chance that you will have a couple of Trump-supporting Miami Cubans Cubanos on that trial.
And you know what?
You know something?
They've seen this before.
They've seen this movie a million times.
The communists, the Bolsheviks get into power and then they want to lock up their political opponents.
So they're going to go through and they're going to say, you know what?
You know something?
I ain't going along with this.
And you watch because if this does make it to this point, and again, I already walked through how president Trump, if he's, you know, Play it out.
If he's the president, at that point, if this, let's say they set the trial date for January 21st, 2025, his first act as president, he could pardon himself.
Boom.
Done.
No trial.
Not going to happen.
So that's the issue they have for them when it comes to the Florida case, If they indict, and I suspect they will, for the sadistic insincerity in D.C., the question there becomes, will he be able to hold out?
Will they be able to delay this?
Because D.C., you're not going to find Trump-supporting judges, you're not going to find Trump-supporting jurors, you're not going to find any of those things, any of those aspects that we walked you through, the Southern District of Florida, you will not find those in the D.C.
District.
That's why Jack Smith has the grand jury open there.
That's why they're going to be looking at this seditious conspiracy.
They're going to take, as Julie Kelly has outlined, they're going to take those indictments from the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, etc.
They're going to swap the names.
I ain't going to be Stuart Rhodes.
You know it ain't going to be Ray Epps.
It's going to be Donald J. Trump.
And they're going to put him in as the head of the conspiracy.
And probably, unfortunately, some members of the President's administration, too.
I would not be surprised if they went for this.
So folks, there is a legal minefield that President Trump has to walk through in order to get back to the presidency.
They are putting him on this Herculean task, right, the series of tasks that he has to compete.
In addition to all of the contenders, the other contenders, the second tier, the bottom tier that we're talking about in terms of the also-ran candidates, he has to face legal fights at the state level, at the federal level, potentially two at the federal level.
I think the one in DC is going to be a much bigger problem for him.
I think they will attempt to push that through prior to the election for just the instances that I lined out.
Because they understand the presidency has the plenary power of pardons.
And you can pardon for anything other than an impeachment.
So yes, he can pardon himself.
He can run.
The Secret Service is still defending him.
We are in uncharted waters, folks.
But the only reason that we're in uncharted waters, the only reason that they're doing this, is because no matter what they do, he keeps going up in the polls.
The people are not leaving him, they're not throwing him under the bus, and they can see this insane political indictment persecution for what it is.
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It's Robert Cahaldi, the chief pollster of the Trafalgar Group.
Robert, how are you?
Just fine.
How about you?
I'm doing well, I'm doing very well.
Now, I've been looking at these polls that are coming out of CBS, the YouGov, things that are not... I don't think that anyone would accuse CBS and YouGov of being a pro-Trump polling universe, but they're showing us that they've got numbers, and as far as I can tell, they've been in the field the closest to the indictments.
They were polling over the weekend.
That's exactly right.
They've got Trump up 38 points in this national primary.
Then, Tip came out as well, but they've got similar numbers, but those numbers actually came out, were taken before the indictment.
So, I wanted to ask you your read on this, and then your general read on the shift, if any, that you've seen since this indictment.
Well, it's interesting to look at those two particular different ones.
The CBS poll had begun in the field before the indictment, and then they adjusted to add the indictment question because they were already in the field.
Now, there was a difference, I think, probably if you go back and look at the public opinion, Thursday when the indictments were announced and Friday when the specifics of the indictments were rolled out.
But it looks like the CBS 12 covered both days, so I think that's useful.
And so, you're right.
And when you look at them as compared to other outlets, I've always thought of the big three, big four, CBS 12, big five, CBS is the most reliable and probably the least biased of those.
So I think that's, it's a good measuring stick.
So yeah, and that is exactly kind of What we're seeing, I had the opportunity to be in the Middle Valley at the beach this weekend at the Georgia Convention right after all this started.
So being able to see the environment with Trump there giving his speech, being able to talk to people who were attending both before and after Trump's speech, you kind of You know, just be able to take kind of a measuring stick of where Trump supporters are, have they moved, and stuff like that.
And so I would put a lot of credence into the idea that this has not moved Trump down.
If anything, it's moved him up.
But what I have found now is kind of Trump supporters who were not paved to break into two categories.
The first of which are those who just say that nothing they say is true.
In the same way that Biden supporters will never believe he took bribes.
They'll just say, hey, it's Republican Congress investigating.
Doesn't matter.
There are many Trump supporters who say, hey, it's the Biden Justice Department.
It's not true.
Doesn't matter.
They're going to make up anything.
But the second batch of supporters are, this is a silly thing.
These Trump supporters are saying, the president is taking bribes.
This president and vice president And we're talking about documents.
That this is a silly comparison.
And these two things don't have no—cannot be spoken in the same vein.
They don't make any sense.
So even if they can see that the idea that he handled the documents sloppy happened, and he tried to have it covered up happened, it doesn't matter.
It's insignificant.
And everyone is dismissive of the idea of the espionage charge.
Because it isn't like they have an example of a file that was laying on a table and there just happened to be a Chinese-Russian spy there.
It's kind of like the difference between having a wreck when you're drunk driving and getting arrested for drunk driving where you could have had a wreck.
You don't get charged for killing someone If you were just drunk driving, but the point is you get charged heavily because you could have done something.
And they're treating Trump as if those records were seen by us.
And they don't think that's.
Well, and that's exactly, you know, actually just before you came on, that's precisely what we were discussing because, you know, there was an idea that if there were any incidents of that, of course it would be in the indictment itself.
They would say, you know, and the Saudis came in, and the Russians came in, and the Chinese came in, and he was...
giving away Ukrainian positions and everything else.
And yet there's none of the, the indictment is completely silent in any of these things.
But Robert, do you have any data?
Are you seeing anything in the data or just from what you've, you've gleaned from attending the convention that this is really making any difference, at least on the Republican side of the aisle, as we're looking at the primary?
Yeah, I don't really see, you know, I've seen Trump's reception at some of these events.
I did not see a difference.
If anything, a little bit more enthusiasm.
And I did keep hearing this refrain, if he's the only thing standing between them doing this to all of us.
You know, it's not just that they've gone after Trump.
We've seen the federal law enforcement used to, you know, lock up pro—I mean, to intimidate, lock up pro-life leaders and school board parents.
So there's not this, oh, that's hypothetical, that can't happen.
That's happening.
And so this argument Trump makes, if we don't stop them with me, they'll run roughshod over you, really hits willing ears.
And so I don't see a drop-off right now.
But I will say, the best way to judge this will be two or three weeks out, when more details come out, when the hearing is over, and we get a real sense of where it's going, and seeing it as full perspective.
But the other thing, and this is what I've been saying for months, is as we kind of track Trump, we notice that when everything is silent, Trump is not in the headlines, and he's not just, you know, he's He's being talked about a little bit on mainstream media, and talked about a little bit on conservative media, but you're not seeing pictures and video, and he starts to sink.
And as soon as all of a sudden, he's on the screens, you know, whether it's going to the hearing he did before.
We're about to come up on a break, and I apologize, but this is fascinating.
I want to, if you can hold on, I'd love to tease that out a little bit more and break it down for the audience.
Because I think I've, I understand exactly what you're saying, that there's this phenomenon that when they report on him more, when he's driving the news cycle more, people actually gravitate towards him the more they see of him.
That's fascinating, and it almost seems counterintuitive.
Stay tuned, we'll be right back.
Robert Cahalli, Trafalgar Group.
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Robert Cahalli, we were going through with you before the break this phenomenon that you've seen of Trump slipping in the polls not because Well, and that's what's interesting about it.
these, these recent allegations against him, you're actually seeing in the data that the only time that Trump slips in the polls is when he's out of the news cycle.
That seems almost counterintuitive to everything the mainstream media is saying.
Well, and that's, and that's what's interesting about it.
And I wouldn't even say slip, I would say, yeah.
I mean, like, you know, if you're tracking, you know, one night he'll be at 50 and then it could drop down to like 47.
In fact, I mean, not much.
But what I kind of liken it to, to Trump, I mean, publicity to Trump is like oxygen to a fire.
It can't exist without it.
And so whenever, I mean, think about this.
When Trump is On the way to New York, and we're seeing scenes that are reminiscent of the OJJ.
That is not making people talk less about Trump.
It's just not.
I mean, he, you know, when they're snapping pictures of him trying to get into a courtroom or anything, like, you know, like he is a member of the royal family.
I mean, that's, it's almost like, of course that worked.
I mean, all this publicity, I mean, you gotta imagine that Kate and Harry are just losing their minds, like, well, maybe we should get indicted.
This is awesome, because the publicity is tremendous.
And so I do see it's that whenever you turn on your TV, and again, I'm talking about regular people who aren't like us, who are not conservative media consumers.
I'm just talking about average shows who pick up a little bit here, a little bit there, when their mainstream TV is full of images of Trump.
Which then filters down to their social media, and it's just Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.
And they're going against him, then there starts to be this, huh, huh, people start thinking.
And maybe they've forgotten about it, because he hasn't been on Twitter or stuff.
And they start thinking about what things used to be like, and what they're like now.
And all of a sudden, the mean treats don't seem so bad.
All of a sudden, some of the things, the fanny things don't seem so significant.
Because they remember what their life was like when he was president.
That's absolutely fantastic to me.
Now, Robert, let's talk general election.
Let's talk a little bit.
Can you put a level, if you were to take a look at the electorate right now, are we talking 25%, 33%, 40%?
How high would you actually put that number of MAGA support?
Well, let's start by understanding and one of the things that most people are not conveying properly is when we start talking about percentage, Of Republicans supporting Trump and Magna support among Republican primary voters.
Republican primary voters are not a subset of, take all the people in America, Republicans, Democrats, Independents, put them in their pots, and the Republicans are the primary voters.
No.
They're generally about a third to a fourth of the people who will vote Republican in a general election will actually bring themselves out to a presidential primary.
So this is a much smaller subset.
So what I would say is probably in the general election, that number is, and when you say, when I say MAGA, I mean, like, love Trump, do whatever the, you know, the people that, you know, when he talks about shooting Savannah on Fifth Avenue, we're still supporting that crowd.
I would say, I would probably estimate that lower than most people.
But I think that's not really his base in the general election.
I'd say that number is under 20%.
In a general election, again, because primary voters are a subset of those who vote Republican.
But what I would also add to it is there are Magnus supporters, and then there are just Republicans who like his message and liked their life better when he was president.
Then I would say there are reluctant Trump Republicans who probably wouldn't pick him, but will absolutely vote for him in the general election.
But what's more important is in the general election, there are people who are defined as Democrats.
And I don't mean self-identification, which is the way a lot of polling companies do it.
I mean, identified as Democrats because they vote Democrat primary, or registered Democrat.
There are a lot more of them who really don't buy into any of the lessons.
And They're being distanced from the Democrat Party who didn't sign.
I mean, they signed up for the Bill Clinton Democrat Party.
They didn't sign up.
Yeah, the Diversity Olympics.
Robert, I think we're going to have to leave it there because we're out of time for the show.
Folks, go follow Robert Cahalli over at the Trafalgar Group.
They're digging through the data every single moment on this.
Thank you, Robert, so much for joining us here on Human Events.
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