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And then I'm thinking, well, what about, because they use Lewis Carroll, is it Lewis Carroll, the author of the book, Alice in Wonderland?
Yeah.
Yeah, so I was thinking, other books that might use repetitive phrases, and I was like, Dr. Seuss always used repetitive phrases.
I wonder if he was part of this MKUltra program.
Yeah, I mean, you kind of wonder, looking back, like, you look at that, it was almost a mathematical expression of absurdity on reality.
Yeah.
Like, the whole concept of Wonderland and everything.
Yeah, dude.
Pretty nuts.
Pretty weird shit.
Granted, I see people bandying about a lot of claims, which I don't see a lot, or really any, like, substantiation to, so I will not repeat them.
Like, I'm curious, and I'm really curious, and I'd love to look into the Lewis Carroll thing, but way too many people just say shit on Twitter without even looking, and it annoys me.
Yeah.
Oh, did you see the new video of Macron getting bitch-slapped by his husband-father right before he was getting off the plane?
You haven't seen it?
No.
Oh, dude, it's amazing.
That's pretty awesome, though.
Oh, it's going all over on Twitter.
Because they're about to get off the plane.
And all you see is Macron standing there about to get off.
And he looks over at Bridget.
And all you see is a big old hand just slap him in the face.
A big man hand slap him in the face.
And then Macron looks out toward the cameras.
And he's like, oh shit!
And then they both just walk off like nothing happened.
Here, let me see.
I'll fucking show this to you, dude.
Because it's pretty funny.
They need to dub different things into it, like freaking world star hip-hop, or keep my wife's name out your damn mouth.
Oh my god, that'd be so great.
I feel like this is an extremely meme-able event, and it needs to be enjoyed for that purpose.
Alright, open the doors.
Right here.
Waiting for it.
Oh, two hands, so she just, like, pushed his face really hard.
She comboed a parry into a riposte, you see that?
He's like, oh, hello.
Parried his arm and riposted his face.
Then this picture, after they get off the plane, he's just pissed.
Hand is clenched, ready to punch his father-husband in the face.
Rough stuff, man.
Fuck Macron, anyway.
And Bridget.
They need some boxing gloves, yo.
Put him in the ring.
Settle it in the ring, yes.
Oh, that's great.
Alright, well, we should get into some Diddy child updates.
We haven't really touched on that in a while.
And a lot's happened.
So the child's set for like, I don't know, 8 weeks.
It's been 10 or 11 days.
So there's some time left.
A lot of witnesses still need to take the stand.
Yeah, a lot of burnt steam.
A lot of people saying that they're trying to present him as a scumbag, but not a criminal.
Right.
But I'm waiting for things to play out because I don't actually understand this stuff enough to comment on that.
Well, so recently, you know, striptease dancer and sex worker Sheree Hayes, who goes by the name The Punisher.
He recently gave testimony in court last week detailing the occasions that Combs actually hired him to do a bunch of fucked up shit with him and Cassie and others, of course.
Sheree said he was first hired for a midnight gig at the Trump International Hotel in New York City in 2012 to give a striptease dance and was hired by Combs between 8 and 12 times.
And I think, was it the Trump International Hotel that that fucking weird dude shot up?
He shot up the Trump Hotel or something?
And was arrested for it, and then gave an interview about how Diddy hired him.
What was that dude's name?
Oddy?
Yeah.
Jonathan Oddy?
His whole story, that guy sounds like he's straight out of program to kill.
Oh, so he shot up the Trump Golf Club in Miami.
Okay, so that's a different place.
We're going to get into that here in a second.
But so, this dude, Sheree Hayes, the Punisher.
Said that the first time he was hired, it was just Combs and Cassie Ventura, and they didn't want him to dance.
They didn't want him to do his usual thing.
Instead, they wanted him to create a sexual scene and apply baby oil to both himself and Cassie before Combs would enter the room and then gave Cassie directions to engage in all sorts of sexual acts, including getting pissed on.
Both Cassie and Combs were also dressed up in disguise.
And Cassie wore a wig and Combs chose to wear a burka that covered everything except for his eyes.
That dude is just so weird.
And Sheree said that he ran into erectile dysfunction problems because he was not used to performing in a sexual situation with a woman's partner present.
Yeah, that sounds awkward as hell.
Oh my god.
Yeah.
Very awkward.
And who was the dude that was arrested?
He did the song, Piss on You, I'm Gonna Piss on You, Piss on Me.
I was about to say, I was just going to say, they did the R. Kelly thing.
R. Kelly, yeah.
They R. Kelly'd him.
I'm like, just FYI, if someone pees on you in those situations, it's supposed to be accidental, not intentional.
I accidentally pissed on this person.
Accidentally, repeatedly, continuously?
Yeah.
Just astronomical, man.
I don't know how it happens.
Just consistently being accidentally peed on.
They're going into a dry discussion about how painful it is to the bladder.
It's very damaging.
It could be harmful to the prostate.
Just so much PTSD.
I can't help but accidentally pee on people.
Has he claimed that he couldn't have been the guy because they couldn't apply baby oil to him since he don't sweat?
Don't sweat.
I was going to say, has he tried the I do not sweat argument?
Was that King Charles?
Charles.
No, that couldn't have been me because I stopped sweating because of something that happened to me in the army and I'm thinking to myself, was that something bullshit?
Yeah, that's such a stupid excuse, dude.
My god, but people buy it.
People are like, oh, he couldn't have done it.
He said he doesn't sweat.
But I mean, this is good.
These are some tasty nuggets.
Cause like there was a few days there where people getting real cynical, but where, It's good that they're actually nailing the compulsive parts of this.
Because the compulsion is the important thing.
Not that people are weird and kinky, guys.
The part that's wrong is when you're made to do it and you don't want to.
Or you know it's illegal and you go through with it anyway.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, you know, it's something you shouldn't be doing and do it anyways.
So, yeah, like.
a So maybe there was some credence to the people that were arguing that the initial part was more for drama and the show to keep the jury interested and engaged so they'd actually pay attention to the more boring minutiae like, you know, here's all the financials and here's the boring testimony and here's the hours of pictures and crap.
Yeah, they've got to live in a real life drama.
Yeah, they're going to be living through law and order minus those dun-dun jump cuts that we all get to enjoy.
So it turns out it's actually significantly more boring than anyone imagined, which you should have thought it was boring, but it's probably even more boring than that.
Probably a little bit more boring.
But here next we have some audio of former Sean Combs artist, Freddie P. Who started speaking about Pizzagate and claiming it's no longer a secret and that it's been unfolding right in front of our faces for years.
Freddie P claims that Pizzagate isn't just a theory, but a deeply rooted culture in Hollywood.
And Freddie goes on to reveal the industry's true identity and allegiance to Satan.
I feel like that was what the Diddy trial did not want to start swaying towards because, you know, that starts connecting Diddy and Epstein together and the whole network.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that's what we want.
I was going to say, that's the good nuggets for us.
Not just the people that are hoping that Diddy goes down.
And Friday mentioned how Justin Bieber uploaded a video of him eating pizza during the Diddy party trial and how that connects to Pizzagate.
And that is kind of a weird video.
I think it was like opening day or something.
Justin Bieber posted an Instagram video or something of him eating a slice of pizza and just chilling.
And he's like, oh.
It's like all these little things they put out there like that.
Like, why would he put out a video of him eating pizza?
Is this like some just triple D chess?
I mean, you really start having to ask yourself after a while, like, you know, does any celebrity have, like, a normal Instagram?
Or they're just, like, you know, taking the crap and I just got a high score on this game I just got.
I wanted to post a picture.
So I'm like, no, they're like, you know, I ate at lunch here and, like, freaking, and just post it, like, a few hours later so paparazzi can't chase them.
Stuff like that.
Do you read shit?
Yeah, what's her name?
Chrissy Teigen's Twitter and Instagram.
Hers were the worst, dude.
Just like, I should be in prison for looking at this four-year-old like this or some shit.
Just weird shit like that.
Like, why would you post shit like that?
But here we have the audio now.
Let's listen to this.
If you look right now at Justin Bieber eating pizza, he's sending messages.
Everybody know about Pizzagate.
When you go through Instagram, once you get knowledge of what's going on in Pizzagate, then you go back and do your history of how long they've been doing it right in front of our face.
It's not only Puffy.
It's a culture.
It's the people that surround them.
It's Hollywood.
It's Holly weird.
It's who they are.
They belong to Satan.
You get what I'm saying?
The agenda they put is in your face, so...
Chrissy Teigen shit.
Oprah Winfrey shit.
Mike Pence.
Comic ping pong.
President Obama, $65,000.
This is insane.
So many people in the mainstream media have said, I mean, you really do gotta ask yourself.
It's like, the guy is so boring and nootinous.
Like, how does he remain relevant?
Liz Krogan.
I've got a bit of a love-hate relationship with her.
Are you fighting with Liz Krogan again?
No.
for entertainment for your adult hot tub parties.
ABC, pled guilty to sex trafficking charges, pedophilia charges, gruesome pedophilia.
This, I got to find his name specifically, so I don't support it wrong.
But he specifically fantasized about impregnating a woman simply to sexually abuse the child as soon as he was born.
We're talking about infants, very, very, very small infants.
I don't know why Dom Luker puts dumb shit in his hair like that.
What is the symbol on the top there?
What's that?
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to look at.
It's like, oh, it's a lizard or something.
I don't know.
It looks like if you turn an Ouroboros inside out.
So instead of eternity, it spiraled upward and out.
And then you bent part of it in.
I don't know, man.
I don't know what that is.
Don't put shit in your hair like that.
It looks horrible.
Tying in, like, I don't know, leaves and shit in his hair.
Just detritus.
Honestly, I'm constantly reminded that when people are, like, complaining about, like, really low-quality footage and everything, what they don't understand is a good, like, 95% of the world is low-res like that.
Like, even when people post things like that, that was a pretty low-quality, like, video.
Just in general, things are...
And, you know, it could be there now, but everybody's using it to ask ChatTPT to draw Studio Ghibli instead.
People need to stop using Grok.
Everyone thinks Grok is like the know-all.
It's programmed to give you the mainstream version of everything.
It's so fun not arguing with one person's opinion, but rather like 100%.
100,000 people's opinion, all of which are based probably off of one internet article that it scraped from like Hopfington Post or some crap.
And so it's like...
It's like way too many people don't understand that Grok probably single or double sources a lot of these things.
And when it runs into contradictory information, it'll either just ignore it or literally start hallucinating and making things up.
Well, yeah, dude.
People ask us the video of these two guys, like a black dude and a white guy who are high as fuck on fentanyl or something, in the middle of the street, bent over, doing that weird thing that they do.
That's like frozen in time, you know what I mean?
Oh, the fentanyl paralysis.
I've seen videos of it.
Yeah, and so people are like, Grok, what's happening in this video?
And Grok's like, well, it looks like two dogs in a street.
Two dogs?
What are you doing, Grok?
Lay off the crack.
My god.
Like, you couldn't at least come up with some kind of creative, these guys are doing an interpretive dance, and right now they're interpreting rigor mortis.
Yeah.
Those two wild dogs in the street.
How you would even get that similarity is beyond me.
And see, that's the thing is, like, maybe there's some kind of hidden AI that, like, is not being shared with us, but...
So it's almost, I don't know, I hate to toot my own horn here, but I kind of predicted that we were at some kind of peak and that the hype about AI was going to start trailing as it got increasingly dumb and you started realizing that it's not going to turn into freaking...
A Reddit mod and the single host of some crazy site that just reposts endless things for engagement.
Oh my god, guys.
I just saw this video and pretty much you're just thinking to yourself, you already know this is bogus.
You can tell from how you're saying this.
But you get engagement, so you're going to put it out and say, oh my gosh, is this real or not?
Oh man, there's a whole genre of that now.
Well, it's all part of the CIA's plan to put out so much misinformation that people won't know what's real and what's fake.
They were openly vocal about talking about that.
This project...
It's been going on for years, decades.
And I think even Obama was part of this.
And he's like, we'll know our plan works once the American public can't tell the difference between what's real and what's fake or some shit.
It's a CIA project.
Yeah, the Alan Dulles quote, we'll know our disinformation plan is complete when everything the American public believes is false.
Yes.
The trick is like, see, that's always what I have to tell people.
I'm like, so it's not just like the dude who, you know, is on one side or the dude who's on the other.
Everybody's forced to believe some level of nonsense just simply because you're not getting good information.
Yeah, and so that's all that like, you know, ChatGPT and Grok especially, that's all they're for, is to pump out all this misinformation so people are like, oh, well, Grok says it's true.
I guess we have to go off that because it's, it goes, it combs through everything on the internet and gives us the accurate information.
Like spicy spaghetti cooked with gasoline.
Snopes.
Yeah, fuck yeah.
Just add gasoline to your spaghetti to make it a little spicy.
Don't do this.
Yeah.
Unreal.
But if you talk to Grok, it'll be like, yeah, that's a spicy...
That's a spicy deathable.
So this next audio clip I have is of Steve Harvey talking about having relations with Diddy for over 20 years, and he talks about baby oil on pizza.
Now, why would you have this as a clip?
Why would you say these things?
So let's share this.
But at the same time, just, like, look at the crowd's reaction.
They all think he's joking around and stuff.
Like, ah, this silly guy.
Unreal.
That's oddly specific.
The thing that's really creepy about that is, like, that isn't, like, an outtake or, like, him getting caught on a hot mic.
That's, like, a show.
Yeah, he's all about it.
All about the baby oil and Diddy's antics.
So also another dude who testified...
According to Philip, he was paid between $700 and $6,000 on several occasions to have sex with Ventura as Combs watched and masturbated.
Interestingly, while on the stand, Daniel told the court that it was Cassie who requested to be pissed on.
And here is a quote from that court transcript.
Quote, Cassie was actually the one that asked me to urinate on her.
They had just come out of the room and she asked me if I had ever done that before and I said no.
And she told me to do it.
And apparently I was doing it wrong because they both stopped me and told me that I was supposed to let a little out at a time and not go full, like, take a leak on her.
Anything worth doing is worth doing right.
You fire hose it.
Go.
I'm like, this all seems so oddly random until you think about humiliation fetishism and it so often involving waste.
You're wasting it.
Just a little bit at a time.
Don't go full on.
So, you know, this isn't just simply kink.
This is like a ritual being performed.
Yeah, and so they've done this numerous times before, obviously.
So, who's in the wrong here?
Who's in the wrong?
I mean, again, you're getting peed on.
The real question is, are you being made to?
So that's always the hard part to demonstrate in these.
And where they always manage to wiggle out.
If you're being forced to get peed on, why would you tell the person peed on it?
No, you're doing it wrong.
You're doing it wrong.
You have to let a little bit out of time.
Yeah, see, that doesn't sound very forceful.
I feel like critiquing it, I feel like your critique would focus more on the, like, can I leave now?
Exactly.
That would be your response to that.
Like, okay, you're good.
We're done?
I want to go.
Where's the door?
Why do you guys have doors that lock from the inside?
It's horrible.
And so, you know, I mentioned Maureen Comey.
She's the daughter of deep state trader James Comey.
She's also an assistant U.S. attorney for Southern District of New York.
And she happens to be involved in the whole Russia gate shit.
Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.
What do you know?
Maureen managed to prosecute Ghislaine without naming a single client.
It's not a single client.
Her husband is Lucas Isaacroff, who also works with the Department of Justice under Trump.
And I mean, obviously, Maureen is a deep state fixer, and she's clearly fixing the Diddy case.
Make sure no big names get out.
Make sure this doesn't go into the network, the vast network of all these other child molesters and shit.
I mean, it just seems like a conflict of interest.
Why is Maureen Comey the one doing this shit?
Yeah, I mean, that's the...
You flip between TMZ and Fox News in terms of where these people get reported on before this scandal.
It's crazy how tangled the web actually is.
Again, it's starting to kind of melt and not just be actors and musicians and celebrities, but pretty much everybody.
Honestly, I feel like that's the part of the narrative that they really didn't want to focus on.
They wanted to focus on all the salacious stuff, the things that'll get the headlines, those sort of things.
They didn't want to focus on the, see, and this person's involved, and this person's involved, and all these financials.
The stuff that, again, like I was just talking about, can be very boring in court, but it's super important.
Yep.
So this next audio clip is Cassie Venture's emotional testimony exposes disturbing new details in Sean Diddy Combs' federal trial.
This audio is going to be Loney Coombs, and she's going to break down how the defense is navigating the infamous assault video in the hotel and serious racketeering and sex trafficking charges.
So let's look at this.
This.
I would say everything I did was 100% not done by me or anyone and never happened.
Never happened.
And if it happened, it was okay and legal and everyone agreed to do it.
Look the other way.
Alright, let's listen to this.
Well, after months of anticipation, the former girlfriend of disgraced music mogul Sean Diddy Combs took the stand in his racketeering and sex trafficking case.
Cassandra Ventura, she's eight and a half months pregnant.
She was given several breaks throughout the day as she talked for hours about the abuse that she claimed she suffered during their 11-year relationship.
Ventura's testimony covered a lot of details, so here are some of the critical points she made.
Ventura started off by explaining the complexity of her relationship with Combs, saying when she first met him, she was just 19 years old.
She says she was attracted to him, describing the beginning as exciting and a whirlwind.
She said, quote, I think I was just enamored by him.
We were just having a good time.
But after signing a record deal with Combs' label, Bad Boy Records, things changed.
Ventura claimed that Combs became violent, dragging her, kicking her, and stomping on her.
She described his mood swings as volatile, saying she never knew which version of Combs she was going to get.
Most of the public has seen Combs do just that, the dragging, the kicking, and the stomping of Ventura in that infamous hotel surveillance footage that was released last year.
And here's a very important note on the defense strategy in this case.
They had to decide how to approach that damning video with the jury.
Well, Combs' attorney admitted to the jury in her opening statement that Combs is a domestic abuser, that the behavior in that video is inexcusable, that it is clearly domestic violence.
But, they stress, that's not what this case is about.
He's not charged with domestic violence.
Domestic violence charges would have been a state charge.
This is a federal case brought by the Southern District, and the charges are federal racketeering and sex trafficking.
Now, the defense is trying to walk a very careful line here, distinguishing between what you see in that video, domestic violence, and the actual charges.
They're hoping that this helps them maintain credibility with the jury.
Admit what you can't deny, but don't admit any guilt to the actual charges.
All right, as the day went on, Ventura started to identify members of Combs' staff and entourage, which the prosecution will use towards the racketeering, or criminal enterprise, portion of his charges.
She talked a lot about Combs' security, saying that they are with him 24-7.
She claimed that Combs used his security team to track her down whenever he couldn't find her.
And then she talked about other tasks that his inner circle would do to set up for the freak-offs.
And that's where she started talking about the details of the freak-offs.
These were drug-filled sex events, usually involving Combs, Ventura, and a male escort.
Ventura testified that Combs would supply an array of drugs, ecstasy, cocaine, marijuana, ketamine, mushrooms, to the participants.
She said that she used them to disassociate, or to even just stay awake for the multiple days that she claimed these freak-offs would last.
Cassie admitted that she often hired the escorts at Combs Direction, and they were paid between $1,500 to $6,000 per event.
Now, the prosecution and the defense are painting very different pictures from the evidence that's coming in, and it's all going to come down to how those 12 jurors in that box interpret the details for themselves.
I feel like we're going to see those courtroom pictures a lot in the future here.
Yeah.
It does seem, like, iconic to me.
Like, they're going to be remembered.
Like the one with her angrily pointing at her.
Yep.
And then the other one with her looking sad.
Wow.
So it was Cassie that hired the escorts.
I mean, that's a heck of a party until the part where you're like, I don't know, man.
I'm feeling kind of sick.
I think I maybe need to chill in the chill-out room.
And they're like, you can party forever.
Mushrooms, ketamine, ecstasy, marijuanas.
Yep.
Be like, R. Kelly is in that next room.
Yeah, you party forever and you gotta get pissed on.
You know what to do.
Or rather, what to have done to you.
Ugh.
Alright, so we get to Jonathan Odie.
Odie, Odie, whatever his last name is pronounced.
I guess his real name is Carlos Odie.
Or Carlos Odie.
The guy, he shot up the lobby of the Trump Golf Club in Miami back in 2018.
Back then, during questioning, he made many statements about his relationship with Combs, and here are some of those claims made after his 2018 arrest.
Adi alleged he was a sex slave for Combs, who hired him for sexual acts with both him and Cassie during freak-offs.
He claimed he recorded a session, texted Combs about it, and faced threats during a settlement meeting.
And Adi stated he sued Combs and won a settlement for contracting herpes.
And claiming a $5 million nondisclosure agreement in 2014.
Audie claimed Combs as part of the Sigma Pi Phi, the Boulé, a black Greek letter fraternity and Illuminati branch, and his fame stems from an Illuminati New World Order agenda.
He made many other claims during the interrogation, which was filmed, so ladies and gentlemen, you can go watch that on YouTube probably, or Twitter or wherever.
And let's see.
he was completely discounted by the authorities and accused of just being crazy and was sent to a psych ward and possibly protected by the feds for information that he had or has.
And then come May 14th, 2025, Cassie, who's pregnant, eight and a half months, identified Adi as the same man that Combs hired as an escort for the freak-offs to engage in all sorts of sexual degeneracy, which is interesting because that lady, Laney, She said that Cassie was the one that hired these guys to do this shit.
I'm still giggling at that detail.
That's so ridiculous.
We're going to put you in protective custody.
Yeah.
Like, why?
That's so silly.
We're going to have to be sure and lock you away and make sure you're alright and safe.
And you're just like, wait, what are you keeping me safe from then?
Exactly.
Exactly.
You can only imagine, dude, like the stress on the baby.
That Cassie has to go to the court and do all this shit.
It's so bad.
This is so unhealthy for everyone involved.
Yeah.
And then let's get into this.
This is Obama and Diddy.
They're intertwined.
Obama's massively involved in Diddy.
Everyone knows that shit.
So let's listen to this.
I played this before in a different podcast, but we'll have to share it again because it's kind of important.
Yeah, there you go.
Thank you.
And I just want to say how much I appreciate Puff Day.
For doing the kinds of work that he's doing because he doesn't have to do this.
But this is part of what is important about giving back.
We applaud you.
And I want to apologize for not sweating.
But I do this so much.
I'm so cool.
I just want y 'all to see everybody I'm interviewing is sweating.
I'm not even touching my brow.
I'm so cool.
And I want to apologize.
I ain't trying to make you look bad or nothing like that.
But I'm just so cool.
T-shirt.
Yeah, I bet all the girls love you at the free cost.
And he's all like, yeah, the girls.
Oh yeah, and then Shook Knight, who's in prison, he also has his own podcast from prison.
He's also talking about Obama and how they're linked.
So let's listen to this.
Your opinion or knowledge, how long was an informant?
I think probably since the 90s.
Wow.
We had a conversation before, and look at the things he was able to do.
You were able to do all these things, nothing happened.
His friend, one of his partners, they got convicted for selling drugs for the company.
Nothing ever happened to him.
And he got Obama to give him a party with no problem at all.
I couldn't go to Obama and say, my childhood friend is in prison for life, let him go.
It would never happen.
That's for sure.
And that did happen.
It would never happen.
Yeah.
A thousand percent.
You think Obama had anything to do with any of these parties that he had?
Absolutely.
Wow.
You've got presidents.
You've got preachers.
T.D. Jakes is one of the biggest black creatures around that everybody loves.
Everybody in prison, if they're trying to get the word of religion, they're not going to the chapel somewhere.
They're trying to watch T.D. Jakes.
He has to resign from his whole community.
That's right.
You're talking about the top of the top.
It's like everybody in deep want to throw dirt at each other.
It just came out not too long ago.
TJ Jakes, who is like the preacher for the black community, he's like resigning.
Once all this diddy shit comes out, he's like, I gotta back away from all this shit.
I think he gave the position to his daughter or something like that.
So now his daughter is going to be a preacher continuing that little business he had of robbing people.
Right.
I mean, these people are all acting so bothered by all this attention before, but, I mean, I can count exactly one celebrity this entire time that's ever said they voluntarily left this stuff, and that would be Denzel Washington.
Oh, man.
Saying he left before the devil arrives.
It's crazy, of all the politicians, of all the people implicated, none of the rest of them have ever said that they left.
Like, yeah, I was there, but I bailed the hell out.
Like, it'd be so easy to say, but you still don't.
Like, you don't deny you're there.
And it's because up until now, yeah, it was a privilege to go there.
It's just stopped being a privilege once it started being a liability.
Yeah, dude.
And it's really interesting because if you look at the pardons, not just even the pardons, but the medals that Obama and fucking Biden gave out to people.
All of the people are in a certain circle, and they are all apparently Democrats, and they all are in the entertainment industry, and they're all accused of shit relating to the comic ping pong, pedophilia, and that sort of shit.
So it's kind of weird that it's all the same names.
They get medals.
They get presidential medals for what?
Like Ellen DeGeneres?
Yeah.
Tom Hanks?
It's like, what are you doing, man?
What the fuck are you doing?
I mean, realistically, if we had anything approaching a non-dysfunctional system, which obviously we don't, that would be a perfect opportunity to drag everybody in and say, you can't be prosecuted for what you say now.
So now you can't plead the fifth.
You have to tell us everything.
But that's not happening.
And you have to ask yourself why the heck not?
Because these people getting these pardons, That now would get them in trouble.
And they're actually more motivated to do it.
Right.
Rather than avoid incurring a different charge on themselves because they can't be prosecuted for anything they say, which eliminates Fifth Amendment protections.
I've heard that mentioned a few times and I always laugh because I'm like, yeah, that's totally going to happen, guys.
Totally.
And speaking of all these celebrities, here's another clip I played before, but we've got to play it now because it's all part of this.
I just had to look this up really quick.
But it's footage of all these Hollywood celebrities praising Sean Combs while going into detail about how extravagant the freak-off parties were.
So let's listen to this.
Nicole Ritchie.
Not including the weekends.
Yin Yang twins.
It's hard to say Fat Joe.
A diddy party or a diddy after party or a diddy after after party which is basically Spiral on his boots.
For the next Diddy Party.
The Diddy Party legend continues tonight at 8 p.m.
7 central.
That's only a partial, man.
There are way more celebrities.
Someone didn't put the full clip in there.
They've accomplished way too much of their goal in making it that it's mostly the people that are really focused on it that are paying attention at this point, unfortunately.
You know what would really fix that fast, though?
We need some heroic DJ to mix that Steve Harvey baby oil on pizza into a song.
And I can guarantee within a month, everybody will know about this.
Because that's how you propel information into the collective consciousness.
Oh, yeah, dude.
Just make it entertaining and make it cool so that you can be bored and still be interested.
Yep.
This is Cat Williams roasting celebrities who attended those Diddy parties.
That's my point.
You can't be so happy to change shit that you fuck up your life.
You know how many celebrities went to Diddy's house?
Thinking they were finna dance?
Exactly.
They knew what they were getting into.
How does that feel?
You a grown-ass man.
You gotta leave Diddy Party like that.
You can't even sit down in the car.
You gotta drive all the way home, standing up.
Okay, I do have to give him credit and revise my statement.
There is another person who, rather than saying they left, very publicly stated, they refused to go.
It's not a lot of heat.
You roll the window down, that breeze hit that open-ass hole and start blowing, and shit starts to say, You gotta respect people when they show actual courage and not that fake crap.
Yeah.
Okay, here's Myron.
Myron Gaines talking about what went down to Diddy Freakoffs.
They walk into the room and they would start her.
She would start gooning and then the guy would start gooning.
And as she was gooning to herself, she would describe the guy gooning to Diddy.
So Diddy would be in a corner watching them both goon.
And she would describe the guy gooning.
Okay, which was...
A little bit strange, and she admitted that this felt weird to her, but she did it because she loved Diddy.
And she felt humiliated.
Then, they would start putting oil on each other and touching each other.
They would do this until Diddy said, stop, or you guys can start moving on.
Then that led to oral sex for both of them, and then they would go on to full-on sex.
After they have sex, the escort either finishes in her or on her, and he doesn't wear a condom.
Then, Diddy...
Oh.
Holy shit.
Yes.
I know.
I know.
She would put it on his chest.
She would want him to put it on his chest.
Or his nipples.
On his chest?
On his chest.
Or his nipples.
Diddy's chest.
Or his nipples.
The semen.
That's so fucked.
The other dude's semen.
What the fuck?
Well, you know.
Why be wasteful?
Use everything.
Use it all.
And ew.
I mean, that's the weird thing about being the obsessive control freak and then forcing others to put you in the subservient position and the submissive position, which is so weird.
Yeah.
But here is when Chrissy Teigen and what's that other dude's name?
So, she was asked at some event, um, what a ditty party, or what's the funnest thing that she's ever partaken in or something?
I don't know.
Let's listen to this, though.
Public Place, you did it.
Is this the best or the worst?
What are you doing?
The best.
Okay, the best.
What?
John, what's the, oh God.
John?
What?
What is your wife talking about?
I don't know.
Just nervous as fuck.
What happened?
We're not going to discuss that.
We're not going to discuss it?
We're not.
We're not.
Oh, my God.
Secret Service!
Come here, jump back in.
Hi!
We're not talking about it.
That's the truth.
That is an awesome answer.
Not at the White House.
It was not at the White House.
100% not at the White House.
He was not elected yet.
Yeah.
Okay.
Anyway, we're moving on.
I'm sorry.
I'm in trouble now.
Awkward.
The face that says, does this place have any windows that look outside by chance?
Are the curtains drawn?
Yeah, so they're up to a lot of no good.
They're all up to no good.
And let me see here.
That will bring us to...
All different colors and flavors.
That one looks like George Clooney.
There's a green one, an orange one, a blue one, a pink one, a red one, another blue one.
So yeah, the testimony was given by David James, who was Sean Diddy Combs' former personal assistant and sometimes drug mule.
So he gave testimony saying that, yeah, Diddy had all these Obama-shaped ecstasy pills.
That's how close those guys were.
Yeah, I'd be really suspicious of some Obama ex in the first place.
Very much.
Being given to me by a deity.
Yeah, no thank you.
I would seriously question, like, you know, what else is in this?
Ugh.
Who the fuck knows?
That's gross.
That's gross stuff.
So anyway, that's our update.
So horrors.
Horrors untold.
And that's your news update.
Many more horrors to be told in the future here.
Because today is Memorial Day.
And we're here filming, recording.
And right now, Diddy...
And it's like, well, he's eating the standard prison food with 20 other inmates in this federal facility with just this group of 20 all being held separately from all these other people.
Why are these guys separated from everybody?
High profile?
They don't currently need to give him the SBN treatment, so, you know, gotta make sure nobody, like, randomly offs him.
You gotta control the operation.
You know, some random crackhead stabs him.
You can't get out in front of that story.
You have to have it built out from the jump, which means you need some guards that might fall asleep, etc., etc., and then get disciplined and then probably get moved on to cushy-ass jobs after the story blows away, etc.
It's surprising that Diddy's not dead yet.
Yeah, that's what says to me that they don't intend to necessarily give him the Epstein treatment because I feel like this part of the story coming out is the part they didn't want.
And if they intended to stop it, that they would have.
It's almost like at this point, they can't do anything because it would be way too suspicious.
They already did it with Epstein.
We all know Epstein didn't kill himself, but they're running with it.
And so if they do it again with Diddy, who's connected with Epstein and that whole network.
It would be way too suspicious.
Maybe they don't want to kill the illusion of the triumvirate of Cash, Bondi, and Bongino saving us all from the evil bad people in the government.
Yeah, totally.
Do I hear an owl?
Did you guys get an owl or something?
No.
Just background noise.
That'd be sweet if you guys got a freaking pet owl.
Aw, man, so we bought some chickies a couple weeks ago on the way back from Bannock, and one of them is, like, dying.
Like, it's, I don't know, it's got really sick, it can't walk on its legs.
I don't know what's wrong with it.
Bird flu, I guess, huh?
Hopefully not.
But if so, that sucks.
No, it does suck, man.
And then like over the weekend we bought a rooster.
So I got this big ass rooster who was literally retarded.
Like this thing – I think it's trying to kill itself, actually.
And we put in this room, I put in this room like a chicken coop.
That implies it has existential self-awareness.
This is a prodigy bird.
It came to the realization that I'm a freaking bird.
This sucks.
I want to be something else.
So it's like the only way I can be something else is if I die.
Yeah.
I got to leave this life so I can come back as something better.
Existential bird crisis.
I'm sorry for the bird.
Yeah, it sucks.
It's okay to be a birdie.
It is, dude.
It is.
Be a bird.
Spread those wings.
So with the updates out of the way, the news out of the way, we can get into part two of John David Norman.
And I know you guys have just been waiting, waiting patiently for this part two to come.
But here it is.
All right, we got it.
Let's do a quick overview here.
Of where part one kind of left off or whatever.
So John D. Norman was actively creating networks of child sex trafficking rings around the U.S. and internationally.
And he first set up a ring in Dallas known as the Odyssey Foundation and another in San Diego known as the Conquest Agency.
And then another one Chicago Police found that was the Norman Foundation and Hermes and Epic International.
And he also had Delta Project, Creative Core, MC Publications, and Handy Andy.
Out of Pennsylvania.
Handy, Andy.
Yeah.
God, I'm surprised one of them is not like the Super Adventure Club from South Park.
Oh, gosh.
This is just ridiculous, man.
This guy was ridiculous.
And so law enforcement confiscated numerous card file indexes containing at one point 30,000 contacts, at another point 50,000 to 100,000.
Like they found numerous of these Rolexes.
Rolexes?
Rolexes, yeah.
Rolexes.
Is that what it is?
Yeah, right.
Yeah, Rolodex.
Or no, not Rolodex.
Rolodex.
I'm like, Rolexes of the watches, Rolodex.
Yeah, yeah.
Those are the Roli files.
Okay, that's it.
Yeah, Rolodex.
So they found numerous of these Rolodexes, like at least 100,000 different contacts.
And many of them, obviously, were influential figures, politicians, clergy, wealthy individuals.
And the Dallas Police Department forwarded.
However, that State Department, under the direction of Henry Kissinger, decided, you know what?
We don't need these.
Let's destroy them.
And they destroyed them.
And said, you know what?
These cars are not even pertinent to any passport fraud case, despite there not even being a discussion of a passport fraud case.
They're just like, let's just say it was a passport fraud case.
But they just destroyed them all.
Why would they do that?
Sounds like one of those, we just don't have a story prepared for this.
See, we don't get stories like this much anymore, but back then they could be a lot sloppier because news traveled so much more slowly.
And then there were another few publications, and I don't know if John David Norman started these, but he was definitely part of these, but Better Life Monthly out of California and Broad Street Journal out of Colorado.
And even being behind bars, John Norman would continue to publish Hermes while working in the mailroom, and he also enlisted the help of another inmate who he quickly formed a relationship with, Philip Paskey.
And John referred to him as his right-hand man.
And it turns out Philip Paskey was also working with John Wayne Gacy.
So there's that connection.
That's like Pablo Escobar's level of connection.
So anyways, I'm just going to keep doing business.
Okay.
Yeah, the warden's like, yeah, I guess so.
Oh, you're paying me this much?
Yeah, I won't even say a word.
Ah, this is an informative publication?
Yeah, at least send me the products.
Yeah, I was about to say, how many of these people letting this go are secretly subscribers of this?
The world will never know.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And John D. Norman's contact information was found in other criminal networks, such as Claudius Vermily, who is otherwise known as Father Bud, who was running the boys' farm in Winchester, Tennessee, and Richard Stanley Halverson, who was running the New Orleans Boy Scout Troop 137.
Shit runs deep.
Shit runs deep.
Never ending.
Still to this day.
Still to this day.
And that'll more or less bring us up to speed for the beginning of part two here.
Alright.
Part two.
A possible connection to Dean Corll, who most of you know was a serial killer in the 70s.
Preyed on little boys.
Did fucked up shit like putting glass rods in the urethras as they're chained to this sex torture wall and you'd snap them in their penis.
Horrible shit like that.
And Philip Paskey was part of it.
Alright, Philip Paskey, John Wayne Gacy.
So, let's see if there were some really strong ties to Dean Corll.
I mean, it seems like there were, at least some connections, but just how strong were they?
Well, after Norman's arrest in Dallas in 1973, media reports suggested that authorities were exploring potential links between him, John, and serial killer Dean Corll, who was responsible for the deaths of at least 28 teenage boys and young men in Houston.
between 1970 to 1973.
Coral himself was killed on August 8, 1973 by his accomplice, Elmer Wayne Henley.
Wow, it's like he was a murderer or something.
Yeah.
And so Norman...
Norman had a history of arrests in Houston in 1954-1956, indicating he had previously resided there.
Furthermore, the informant who alerted the police about the Odyssey Foundation was an alleged prostitute associated with the organization who became frightened after an unidentified man in Houston sought her services.
Sought her?
Sought his services.
Following Coral's death, Henley provided a statement to the police claiming that Coral had mentioned being, quote, part of a Dallas-based group that was involved in trafficking boys and engaging in illegal activities.
End quote.
And, I mean, that has to be the same group that John D. was part of, possibly even running.
This little group they're talking about, this Dallas-based group, it sounds like there were thousands of John D. Normans out there running these types of networks, right?
So we can only assume that this one – Yeah.
I mean, it's unlikely as Sweet Baby Inc.
being a different, what's his name, a Terrence Roberts guy as the founder, despite the fact that it just happens to be a dude who is also a Canadian politician.
We're talking levels of calling heads or tails 100,000 times and then out of nowhere calling, it's going to float in the air and being right.
Yeah.
Like, you're pretty unlikely for this to be a coincidence.
Like, you either have to leave it open, but boy, at some point, you just lose the ability to say it's a coin flip.
100%.
And the police did not believe Coral's other accomplice, David Owen Brooks, who was connected to the Odyssey Foundation.
They didn't dismiss the possibility of Coral and Henley being involved, although they lacked evidence linking them to Norman's organization.
In 1975, however, Houston police reported that Discovering photographs of 11 of Coral's victims during a raid on a child prostitution ring, which once again raised questions about potential connections to John Norman.
Although Norman was not charged in connection with Coral murders, more than 30,000 index cards were seized during the raid of his apartment that contained the names of sponsors, clients of the Odyssey Foundation.
And these cards carried the names of men from almost every state and Canada, several of them being prominent people, Some were federal employees.
Huh.
It goes back to, like, think about the old Pentagon story.
I think it was Operation Flicker where they found that, like, I don't know how many there were, like, something ridiculous.
Pentagon employees were all buying, trading, and collecting child pornography.
Pentagon.
And nothing happened.
Yeah, and remember, a lot of these guys aren't necessarily perverts.
These are people gathering dirt.
Yeah, that's true.
And they're essentially compiling it.
I'm sure a certain percentage of them are pervs, but you can't discount that a lot of them are just cynical bastards doing it for the advantage they gain over others.
Yeah, that's a scary thought, because that happens a lot.
Because in the end, that's what really gets used, is not the perversion part, but rather the, we got dirt on you now.
Yeah, blackmail aspect.
So, let's look at some possible connections to John Wayne Gacy now.
So, Johnny D. Norman is reportedly linked to another notorious serial killer, John Wayne Gacy, who was responsible for the deaths of at least 33 teenage boys and young men in Chicago from 1972 to 1978.
Norman's close associate and friend, Philip Paskey, had a brief stint working for Gacy's construction firm, PDM Contractors.
And that's like paint...
An authority suggested that Paskey took over the management of the Delta Project after Norman was incarcerated and he was present at Norman's house during his arrest in 1978, although Paskey himself was not taken into custody for some reason.
Gacy named Paskey, Norman, and two other employees of PDM as his accomplices in the murders, describing Paskey as a threat who exploited both In a 1992 interview, Gacy alleged that Norman and the Delta Project were involved in the production of snuff films featuring young boys, potentially including some of Gacy's victims.
Notably, two of Gacy's presumed victims, Kenneth Parker and Michael Marino, were last seen near John Norman's home.
John Wayne Gacy was arrested on December 21st, 1978, just six months after Norman's arrest.
You think there are any connections there, Cricket?
You think there are any clear connections or just all speculation?
I mean, I've got a feeling that there's going to be plenty.
A lot of these guys, you really have to ask yourself, looking back, how didn't they get caught?
Like, you think about all the tech that we have that's always so far advanced and the surveillance tech that we have now, and then you extrapolate that 20 years back and ask yourself, why did they not catch these people?
And the answer is, it's because they were monitoring them.
They weren't going to catch them.
Just like Epstein was allowed to do his thing since his first arrest in, like, 2008 or whatever.
Yep.
And just allowed to run his operations for another 20 years or 15 before he was arrested and murdered.
You have to ask yourself, for example, how long did they know that they have the ability to passively monitor phone lines for keywords and such before they admitted it?
Oh, yeah.
And started using it in the public sector through things like the annoying targeted ads because you talked about going on vacation and crap.
Exactly.
Yeah, they were definitely running tabs on these people, not arresting them.
And if they did arrest them, like John Norman, he was arrested 12 times or something and always let out.
And then he escaped.
They arrest him for the same reason.
Yeah, they arrest him for the same reason.
They arrest the CIA guy that's acting a little out of line because you don't want – So you have to make sure it's you who nails him.
Yep.
Gotta keep it all nice and contrived.
So let's look at further obvious connections.
Now, what's really interesting is that the authorities completely disregarded any possible connection between John Wayne Gacy and John Norman, pushing the narrative that Gacy acted completely alone, even when they knew that it was blatantly false.
What follows is information by Stephen W. Becker, author and researcher, who wrote an article titled Human Trafficking, Homicide, and Current Prevention Efforts in the United States of America, which lays it out as to why the authorities would have known those connections.
Some of this has already been addressed in Part 1, but I'll do a good rehash here.
A little quick one here.
So, Gacy was arrested on December 21st, 1978.
He was tried as the sole perpetrator in the homicides.
At trial, his attorneys asserted the defense of insanity.
Gacy was convicted by a jury and sentenced to death, which literally didn't happen for like 20 years.
They kept him on death row for like 20 fucking years.
And then all of a sudden, oh, we're going to exit you today.
But after a series of unsuccessful appeals in state and federal court, Gacy was executed at the Stateville Correctional Center in 1994.
It took almost four decades to discover that there was a direct connection between a nationwide human trafficking ring operating in Chicago and John Wayne Gacy.
And Cricket, who got their start in Chicago?
What famous politician, I'll give you a hint, got their start in Chicago?
For doing the kinds of work that he's doing because he doesn't have to do this puff day.
Oh, you know, I I have no Yeah.
Come on, you know this.
Like, I'm really confused.
Because he doesn't have to do this.
I had to play dumb for a sec, though.
Yeah, I was about to say he's probably the most famous politician from Chicago.
Most politicians, their place of origin isn't part of.
But him being a Chicago politician is very much a part of what he's known for.
Big time, yeah.
And what was that WikiLeaks email?
Obama's assistants were going to do something.
And what did they say that was referring to Obama in Chicago?
Do you remember?
Let's see.
Something about $65,000.
Oh yeah, $65,000 worth of pizza and hot dogs, which of course, you know, you gotta have it flown in and all.
Yeah, to the White House.
Now first of all, like, you don't typically get outside food brought into the White House.
Oh, let alone airlifted pizza delivery.
Let alone airlifted pizza.
And hot dog delivery from Chicago, of all places, which was the number one child trafficking hub in the 70s, which is exactly where Obama got a start.
So you can only imagine.
Yep, because you dig deeper down enough into a lot of these other organized crime orgs.
They got something real ugly at the bottom.
Yep, $65,000 worth of pizza and hot dogs.
And we all know what pizza and hot dogs mean.
If you don't, If you don't, you're probably making a statement for the FBI that Jeffrey Epstein definitely killed himself.
Exactly.
So, let's see.
John David Norman was a lifelong pederast and human trafficker of young teenage boys throughout the United States and beyond.
Norman was a subject of extensive Federal Bureau of Investigation files as well as a detailed criminal intelligence bulletin produced by the Illinois State Police that was devoted entirely to Norman as a case study.
Norman, who moved throughout the continental United States, formed more than 30 different organizations and some 25 different publications devoted to human trafficking and sexual exploitation of teenage boys.
and younger.
Over 30 different organizations and 25 different publications.
How does one guy do that?
He's like a Michael Jackson of Perverts.
For real.
He ruled everything.
He had control of it all.
He bought it all up almost.
And whatever he didn't buy, he had implicitly through blackmail.
Yeah.
And when he was arrested, at least on one occasion when he was arrested...
He was like, no, no, no, no.
I'm not taking that deal.
My shit will run just fine.
I mean, just the fact that we can refer to historical events like lifelong pederast that wasn't followed with any kind of punishment is really mind-blowing to me.
It's so gross.
It really is.
Yeah, John Norman is a veteran of more than a quarter of a century in the boy love business.
And I say boy love, it's Nambla shit.
And has a record of more than a dozen arrests in cities including Los Angeles, Sacramento, Santa Monica, Santa Ana, California, Dallas, Houston, Chicago, and Homewood, Illinois.
Norman's human trafficking operations first came to light on a national scale when he was arrested in Dallas, Texas, on the belief that he may have been supplying teenage boys to Houston serial killer Dean Corll, who, with the help of two teenage accomplices, sexually assaulted, tortured, and murdered at least 28 boys.
Dean Corral doesn't get a lot of attention.
I mean, that dude's kill count was pretty fucking high.
So why does John Wayne Gacy and Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy get all the limelight?
Why do they focus on those three?
Well, because those are more focused less on...
The network of perpetrators and victims and more on just individuals.
That got away with being awful and oh my god, we just realized this guy's a scumbag.
The media is pretending that all these people weren't really prominent members of their community before where you probably should have been able to see the signs and they probably did and we're monitoring them but at the same time you didn't know.
Because nobody talked.
Nobody talked.
What was it like John Wayne Gacy?
The dude had members.
He was like a pillar in his community.
It was really kind of mind-blowing looking at the backstory of you operated all that while having this double life.
Yeah, he had his picture taken with Rosalind Carter.
President Carter's wife.
Yeah, and at some point, you really just start having to ask yourself, how were you that close with that many different people and nobody ever smelled a rat?
Mm-hmm.
For real.
Nobody ever thought you were up to something until it was time to trot out a story?
So, although Norman was not charged in connection with the Coral murders, more than 30,000 index cards were seized during one of the raids of his many apartments that contained the names of sponsors and clients of the Audis Foundation.
These cards carry the names of men from almost every state and Canada.
Several of the names were of prominent people, some of individuals known to be federal employees.
The index cards were sent to the United States Department of State, and inexplicably, these cards were not copied by the Dallas Police Department, and the Department of State destroyed all of those cards.
Without further investigation...
I mean, you're at the levels where they just don't even bother being fully plausible.
It's like, why'd you throw that out?
It's like, shut up.
I'm throwing it out and there is no explanation.
It's just happening.
They just got to do it because they didn't have time to come up with a plausible reason.
Right.
And the destruction of those cards actually resulted in several congressional investigations, but this came of nothing.
I'll bet they looked really hard and thought, yeah, we can't get into this.
Yep.
Yeah, just like the Finders, when they were caught and the Border Patrol got involved, Homeland Security were involved, all of these different government organizations got involved.
And one detective who was doing a damn good job looking into the Finders, I think his last name was Rodriguez, got to the point where he reached out and was like, what's the update?
I've been asking you guys what's going on.
And they sent a reply back saying, this has become an internal CIA matter.
Huh.
Now that gave you the warm fuzzies.
Yeah.
And the Finders, ladies and gentlemen, if you don't know what the Finders were, it was a CIA project basically where people were kidnapping children, shipping them across the world, just like the shit we're talking about.
It was another network that was definitely run by the CIA.
It was completely verified.
But it's okay, because they quashed the story, so then nothing ever happened again.
So shut up, conspiracy theorist.
Yeah, shut your mouth.
These ones are especially annoying, because that is literally the response you'll get if you point out, like, hey, this is really obviously something up.
And everyone's like, but I'd rather not look at it.
All right, so in May 1977, the Chicago Tribune ran a series of articles on human trafficking in children.
And in a cover story entitled Chicago is Center of National Child Porno Ring, the newsletter explicitly named John Norman and Philip Paskey as the ringleaders in that trafficking operation and described his activities in great detail.
According to police in Chicago, Los Angeles, and Dallas, the ring was masterminded by 49-year-old John D. Norman, a convicted sodomist serving a four-year sentence in the Illinois State Prison in Pontiac.
And that's four years for...
Four years.
His close association was Philip R. Paskey, 25, a convicted murderer and thief who police said is now on probation and is carrying on the project in Norman's absence.
That comes from that article, 1977 article.
On May 27, 1977, United States Senate subcommittee hearings began in Chicago on the topic of the protection of children against sexual exploitation.
Extensive testimony was given.
By multiple people, including those most intimate with John Norman and his operations, including the Cook County State Attorney Bernard Carey, other authorities, and reporters.
In August that same year, Paskey was fired from his summer job at a city swimming pool after his connection with the Delta Project was exposed.
The Chicago Tribune published a full article about Paskey's dismissal, along with his mugshot, describing his collaboration with Norman in the human trafficking operation.
Because, of course, that's the job he had.
Steady swimming pool.
Yeah, how long was he leering and picking, for that matter, before somebody did something about this?
I was about to say, if you wanted intimate access to new victims to pick out, what a more perfect job for you, Jesus.
You can only imagine how many times he was like, I think that boy's drowning.
I better go pull him out and give him mouth-to-mouth.
The kid's just like, what are you doing?
I'm not drowning.
This guy seems to be heroically rescuing people every day.
I feel like that's not statistically possible.
Oh, it's fucked up.
Goddamn, it's fucked up.
So after Norman's release from prison, he was again arrested on June 16th, 1978 for additional sexual crimes with teenage boys.
On this occasion, the police seized between 50,000 to 100,000 indexed file cards.
John Wayne Gacy was arrested just six months after Norman's latest arrest up until that point.
I mean, the time on that is just crazy.
The timing, John Wayne Gacy gets arrested, or John Norman gets arrested, and then six months later, John Wayne Gacy gets arrested.
That's kind of strange.
Gacy's trial was conducted during the term of Cook County State Attorney Bernard Carey, the same guy who gave extensive testimony at the U.S. Senate Subcommittee hearing connecting John Norman, Paskey, and Gacy.
Moreover, Philip Paskey was listed as a witness on the state's discovery disclosures as well as a possible witness for the defense.
It was not until 2016 that the author, Stephen Becker, in connection with his investigation into the whereabouts of Michael Marino, who had been misidentified as body number 14 in Gacy's crawlspace, learned that Philip Paskey, who was John Norman's second-in-command in operating the Chicago-based Delta Project, had been employed by none other than John Wayne Gacy himself in Gacy's PDM contractor's
In addition, Gacy provided the following handwritten description of Paskey, whom he personally identified as a former employee.
Quote, Has a parment, lives with a prostitute, which he pimps off, deals in hard drugs and sex for money, white slavery.
I believe he is bisexual, but unknown to me.
Pimps girls, boys for sex or movies.
And he has been at my home.
End quote.
Well, how about a strict, descriptive, and, like, nonchalant that statement is?
Yeah, when Gacy was ever talking about the crimes, he always talked as matter-of-factly.
He was never disturbed by anything.
He was just like, yeah, this is what it was.
This is how it went down.
It's like a documentarian just being like, so anyways, here's what happened.
The wet season rolled in and the herd began migrating across the steppe.
And you're just like, this is not the feel you'd have for what you're describing here, man.
No.
And as I said in part one, like, Gacy had made at least 12 different copies of the keys to his house and gave them out to people he trusted.
All these younger boys, teenage boys and young men.
So, like, there's a speculation that Gacy was not acting alone.
I mean, Paskey, we already know, Paskey and the other guy were his accomplices.
But only Gacy was convicted of the crimes.
Seems suspicious.
So what the fuck, man?
It's very suspicious.
And we know the number 33. So a discovery of direct and verifiable connection between a ringleader of a nationwide human trafficking ring actively engaged in the procurement of teenage boys in Chicago and John Wayne Gacy, who killed at least 33 teenage boys.
Just a bit.
John Wayne Gacy a Freemasonry operation?
Yeah.
Like, you know what they specify at least?
Like, they're pretty much leaving open that we know there's more, but we have established exactly 33 of them.
Gotta be 33. It's only 33. Got that.
We see it all the time.
There's that number.
Everywhere, when it's obviously a deep-state operation of some sort, we always see a 33 in there somewhere.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, remember, what you're not seeing is incredible synchronicity.
You're witnessing enemy comms.
Mm-hmm.
Going back and forth.
Yep.
They put that out there, and then people that are in those groups are like, oh, okay.
Yeah.
Got it.
It's like a call-out.
Like, all right, that was us that did that.
Because it's not the sort of thing where you can send a group text like, Dear evil organization members, thank you so much for being scumbags again this year.
Working overtime.
Yes.
We would just like to say that there will be more hookers and cocaine at your house.
When you're done today, because of your great job.
Like, no, there's not going to be anything that obvious.
No.
And now it's just, it's blatantly obvious to those who are looking.
We see it on the TV and social media everywhere.
The news, frankly, the news is where we see the 33 all the time.
The news tells us.
So yeah, they're comms.
Yeah.
And this revelation raises multiple profound questions.
Why did it take almost 40 years for this information to become known to the public?
How could this identifiable connection between a human trafficking ring and John Wayne Gacy possibly have been missed by the prosecution in the most prolific serial murder case in the United States history at that time?
Was this omission negligent, strategic, or intentional?
What other considerations may have played a role in obscuring this critical aspect of the case?
Well, clearly everyone involved was of extremely sound mind and not suicidal and decided they were going to forget about that shit.
Absolutely.
And in answering these questions, we'll focus on five factors.
One, the prosecution.
Two, the defense.
Three, the police.
Four, the culture.
And five, political corruption.
So first of all, the prosecution's role in deciding how to litigate a case is critical.
We know this.
Because of prosecutorial discretion, the state may decide whether or not to prosecute, what crimes to charge, and how to present its case to the finder of fact.
In the Gacy case, the state chose to prosecute Gacy as the sole principal in 33 murders.
From a practical perspective, this appears to be a rational choice given that more than 25 bodies were found in the crawlspace beneath Gacy's home.
Because the state's goal is to secure a conviction, It may decide on the best theory to bring about this result.
Alleging that Gacy was a sole killer simplifies the case for the jury.
It avoids tangential issues that may distract the jury's attention and ensures that all the focus in such an emotionally charged case will be directed solely on the defendant.
In addition, in furtherance of this theory, the state utilized two of Gacy's most trusted employees, who admittedly This,
however, was somewhat unusual, as the state would generally charge such individuals with murder as co-defendants under unaccountability theory and then obtain cooperation from the witnesses in the form of favorable testimony in exchange for a lesser sentence.
Yeah.
That's not what happened.
Not what happened.
With respect to the human trafficking aspect of the case, there are several very important questions to ask.
Now, initially, did the prosecution know of the human trafficking element involved in the Gacy case at the time of the trial, I should say?
The evidence suggests that there is no way the prosecution could have missed this vital connection.
Gacy was prosecuted under the administration of Cook County State's attorney, Bernard Carey.
State Attorney Carey and his investigator both personally testified at the U.S. Senate subcommittee hearings in the summer of 1977 about John Norman and Philip Paskey's direct involvement in the Delta Project.
Casey was arrested the following year.
Carey's testimony followed on the heels of a major expose in the Chicago Tribune of Human Trafficking in Chicago, in which both Norman and Paskey were identified by name as being the ringleaders of the Delta Project.
Moreover, In August of 77, the Chicago Tribune ran a separate article about Paskey's firing as a city employee at that pool due to his involvement in human trafficking.
Furthermore, the state itself specifically named Philip Paskey on its witness list in early 79, 1979.
Presumably, its staff had interviewed Paskey prior to this time and must have known from his criminal history that Paskey had previously been charged with murder, thus making him a prime subject of intense scrutiny, given that he was employed by Gacy.
He'd also been at Gacy's home, where the vast majority of the bodies were found.
And he'd already been involved in a homicide, and he trafficked nationwide in teenage boys.
Gee, this guy who was already accused in murder was found around this other murderer.
That's not suspicious.
Yeah, and trafficking of teenage boys.
I mean, come on.
How could you not see this connection?
And the identical profile of the type of victims found in Gacy's crawlspace.
Given all these facts, it is simply not credible to assert that the prosecution was unaware of the direct connection between John Wayne Gacy and John Norman and Filipaski.
But they chose to just ignore it.
I mean, the least shocking part of this story is that a local municipal pool was far more ethical than our government.
Right?
They're like, you're accused of murder.
We can't keep you.
The government's like, it's okay, we'll take you.
Yeah, dude.
And next, considering the reality that the state must have been keenly aware of the potential role of human trafficking in the Gacy murders, could the prosecution have made a strategic decision to exclude any reference of this aspect of the case?
Again, this is a possible explanation as it would have substantially complicated the presentation of the state's case.
It would have diverted the jury's attention away from the sole defendant and presented a basis for the acquittal of Gacy on certain charges should the jury conclude that some of the bodies found in the crawlspace were attributable to the agency of Norman, Paskey, and the human trafficking ring.
And finally, was there a more nefarious motive in the state's intentional omission of the human trafficking aspect from the Gacy prosecution?
Yeah, because I feel like But that's because when we deal with legal arguments, there's a lot of absurd things they'll throw out there just to see if maybe they can convince someone.
Because it's never really about what's true or false.
It's about what you can convince people that you've proven.
Yeah, and I think that's like half the case, right?
What can we get by?
What can we get passed by the people without them really paying attention to it to make this job easier for us?
Yeah, and this intentional sabotage where they just accidentally fail to charge a bunch of other people probably happens more often than we ever know.
Yeah.
Oh, it does, for sure.
These are just the high-profile examples.
So Gacy's defense team raised the insanity defense on Gacy's behalf.
And based on this strategy, the defense, like the prosecution, wished to avoid the introduction of any evidence of accomplices or the involvement of a human trafficking ring.
The reason for this is that any knowing and deliberate participation with others would undermine the theory that Gacy was insane at the time of the murders.
In other words, both the state and the defense had an interest in avoiding reference to any involvement of a human trafficking ring.
There was an epidemic of missing children.
As one author describes the situation at the time of Gacy's case, quote, End quote.
End quote.
As George Carlin once said, there's no need for a grand conspiracy when interests converge, and a whole lot of people had interest in not making this case go a lot of places that it should have.
Yeah, absolutely, dude.
George Carlin.
Missed that guy.
In fact, multiple families of Gase's victims were informed that their sons were runaways, although they knew this was not true.
Thus, because of the posture of the police, as well as the sheer magnitude of the problem faced by law enforcement, Identifying the possible involvement of human trafficking in such disappearances was simply not a priority.
One must consider the cultural context of the times.
In the 1970s, there was still a societal stigma attached to being a homosexual.
Families were afraid to come forward of fear of having their son branded in this manner.
You know, my child's not a fag type shit.
And therefore, it was less likely that the investigations of sexual assaults and murders of boys presumed to be part of the homosexual community would be conducted with And then, one must ask the delicate but wholly reasonable question of whether political corruption may have played a role in the suppression of the human trafficking element in the Gacy case.
In this regard, It is important to recall that the index card seized from John Norman in connection with his arrest in Dallas contained the names of prominent people, some of whom were federal officials from Washington, D.C. To date, none of these lists has been made public.
And we see this time and time again.
Whenever there are high-priority politicians, these types of people, celebrities, when they're involved in this type of shit, it just gets swept under the rug.
It all just goes away.
So then here we have Diddy Case, and that's why the Diddy Case is so important, because what will happen to him?
How will all that get swept under the rug?
It really kind of begs the question of, will anything happen to him, right?
Exactly.
And it's almost like they're in too deep at this point.
Like, everyone knows, man.
Everyone knows what's happening in these elite circles, these high celebrity circles.
Yeah, it's a pretty poorly kept secret at this point.
So, like, it's going to be really interesting to see how they try to, like, manipulate the Diddy case.
To try to just, like, put it all on him, you know?
Man, he single-handedly helmed everything.
In fact, he held all these prominent government positions at the same time.
These politicians weren't in those jobs when it happened.
It's like you go back and look at the wikis for all these different prominent political positions and Diddy's just in all of them now.
Oh my god, for real.
I mean, it just harkens to...
Jimmy Savile, right?
So like we see that Diddy Sean Combs was hanging out with Barack Obama.
Highest position of government, right?
And we see the same thing with Jimmy Savile.
He was hanging out with the highest people, the royals, right?
The queen, the king.
And he was into some dirty ass shit.
So the cases are so similar.
Yeah, and then it's always those ones where there's not even a wrist slap, because even a wrist slap would create attention that is unwanted, so it just vanishes.
Yeah, dude.
Like, you always ask, like, not just why'd they get off with almost nothing, but literally, why did nothing happen?
Mm-hmm.
And it took until Jimmy Savile was dead before they started making Netflix documentaries about the whole thing.
That's part of the most irritating thing.
We were looking so hard for this evidence, guys.
And now that he's dead, wouldn't you know it?
We found it all.
So here it is.
We found it.
It was hidden away in some old dusty cabinet that no one's looked in for 25 years.
So weird how that pattern, how that works.
It was hidden in Barack Obama's prison wallet for the past 20 years.
Yeah, dude.
We dug in there.
TMZ was digging in there the other day to freak off.
And you know there's more than enough space being with Michael Obama for all these years.
And by that we probably mean the whole staff of TMZ simultaneously.
Yeah.
And furthermore, this is not mere speculation.
Like, it's been long known that Gacy had deep ties to the Democratic political machine in Chicago, and that he was repeatedly protected from prosecutions for sexually assaulting and torturing boys and men who actually lived to tell their tales of survival.
I wonder if he lived long enough.
Him and Obama probably would have been like good pals, you know?
I mean, trying to think like timeline-wise – So it would have been before Obama really came up.
But simultaneously, that would have been his, like, formative years.
And, like, wasn't he in college in the 70s, I thought?
I'm going to look this up as a good constitutional scholar, which is actually a big – Yeah.
Most people look at the constitutional scholar thing and think, oh, he was trying to preserve it.
And I'm like, nah, he was looking for exceptions.
Yeah.
It doesn't count if you're looking for ways to ruin it.
Barack Hussein Obama II graduated high school with honors in 79. He's like, wait, you guys are going to pay me to study ways to undermine this?
Sweet.
In 88, he was a summer associate at the Chicago law firm Sidley and Austin, graduated Harvard in 92. So there's a bit of an age gap, but who knows?
Obama could have been a victim of Gacy or John.
But I mean, that's, I guess that is something we've got to bear in mind about all these people, is a significant portion of them are victims at some point.
Most of them get jumped into the club or gang, and the voluntariness of it is often very much in question.
Yeah, they go along with it, but at the same time, how much of that is eager, for that matter?
And it should be noted that Barry Sotero?
Yeah, Barry Sotero.
I don't know exactly how it's pronounced, but yeah, Barry Sotero.
Yeah, and then, you know, that's not true, that's not true.
Well, it is true, ladies and gentlemen.
It is true.
But it's been debunked because that word stopped meaning anything.
Because Snopes says so.
Well, see, debunked used to mean information came out that disproved this.
But at some point, I swear, through marketing, they changed it in people's minds to just mean official sources have discredited this.
There you go, yeah.
Yeah.
This is officially discredited.
Don't think about it or look at it.
Funny how they can change public perception like that.
Yeah, I mean, they...
It's an important thing to constantly keep in mind when you're being presented new info.
And you've got to always be on guard.
And we're actually going to be, dude, I've been putting this piece together, super technical piece about DARPA and how they have been trying to control public perception, how we react to news, how they can change our minds on topics.
DARPA's balls deep.
In all these patents that they're using against us, man.
It is really non-linear warfare against the people.
Government versus the people.
It really is.
And so we're going to get to that.
I don't know when.
Probably in the next couple weeks we'll do that episode.
The information warfare one?
That's a pretty heavy one because, boy, an awful lot of that involves things that people think they came to on their own.
Yeah, exactly.
It's going to be a little awkward to find out that the government put those thoughts in your head.
Yeah, Facebook was a huge part of it.
I think the same day that Facebook was given up and operating was the same day that the CIA ended – I think it was like LifeLog or something like that.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, LifeLog, I think was the name of it.
And so they're like, alright, we're going to end this LifeLog project in that same day.
Because honestly, I use them interchangeably, honestly.
If people say DARPA, I'm like, that's CIA then.
There's so much in there that's just so completely...
It doesn't matter what you call it.
It's not stuff that you're allowed to know anything about.
Exactly.
Yeah, dude.
LifeLog stops.
Facebook starts.
And then there were these really crazy government studies, Harvard-type studies about how they actually used Facebook to change people's minds on things.
It gets deep, but we'll be doing that pretty soon.
Let's get back to this.
Regrettably, and you guys are going to love this, the 2021 Trafficking in Persons report from the U.S. State Department contains a section on human trafficking and misinformation that states that, quote, In recent years, participants in online forums have spread a number of false and misleading claims about child sex trafficking, sometimes deliberately deceiving the public through disinformation efforts connected to conspiracy theories unrelated to human trafficking.
Including that politicians and celebrities are exploiting children.
End quote.
Pretty interesting that the government would issue, the U.S. State Department would issue that statement in their 2021 trafficking in persons report.
Like, we're just saying that, you know, you think you're onto something, but you're dumb.
Yeah, you're so stupid.
It has nothing to do with politicians and celebrities.
It's nothing to do with that.
It's just like, like bad people.
Just bad people being bad.
Yeah, lone actors, right?
Little lone wolves out there.
No networks.
Lone wolves.
That's all it is.
They're like, you know, they never end up in jail, but there's no collusion, guys.
All a bunch of misinformation.
None of it true.
Politicians and celebrities have never and would never exploit children.
This is even more painful to go on because it's still going on as the Diddy trial unfolds.
Like, for God's sake.
It's just ridiculous.
Show a little contrition and maybe just stop talking about it.
But no, it's like, oh, look at all this paranoid misinformation.
It's like you guys are acting like there's some kind of network that shielded them all these years or something.
You just go ask any criminal if they're guilty of a crime?
No, it's not me.
I didn't do it.
And so the State Department here is saying, no.
We don't do that.
We don't traffic in persons.
Yeah, which, you know, is 100% nothing that they would accept from anyone else as any kind of excuse.
They would immediately launch an investigation and be like, you're full of it.
You're full of it.
And if we can't find the information we want, we're going to create the information we want.
Yeah, so I 100% don't buy that they couldn't find nothing.
Now, the problem with such an overgeneralization is that it makes it appear that any allegations involving politicians and trafficking must be conspiratorial in nature, right?
Evidence, not narratives or labels, however, should control the search for the truth.
For nearly 40 years, the verifiable connection between a Chicago-based nationwide human trafficking ring specializing in prostituting teenage boys and John Wayne Gacy, the most prolific serial killer in the United States of the time, whose victims of choice were teenage boys.
Hmm.
How do they do that?
Well, it demonstrates that everybody talks about how there's collusion now, but realistically, there was actually more collusion back then when they could get away with a lot more.
Yeah, we didn't have the internet of things.
Yeah, nowadays, if anything, it's really hard for them to get away with anything on the scale that they used to just simply because – well, they at some point lost the – And it turned out that in actuality, no, some dumbass with a YouTube channel and like 100 subs is smarter than our government and more correct.
So suck it.
Suck it.
Fucking jack-offs out there.
So it's like as much as they tried to like poo-poo that for years, it got to the point where like you having a prominent newsroom with money behind it became an abject not of prominence and pedigree, but suspicion.
Like, oh, really?
You got all this money?
Like, boy, this is a nice building.
Who's paying for it?
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Because it ain't your news production, which constantly makes up horse cocky that's doing it.
Yeah, like the AGR building that Crooks allegedly shot at Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Who was that building owned by?
Larry Fink and BlackRock.
Huh.
Yeah, and he just happened to appear in a commercial, but you're paranoid if you point out that happened.
Yeah, he is a conspiracy theorist.
You're a dangerous conspiracy theorist when you connect the dots.
I mean, it is very dangerous to their lies.
I can't deny that they are telling the truth by omission there.
Like, you know, that's extremely dangerous.
They just don't finish with to the narrative.
It's really interesting because if that was just – I'm not going to say you.
Let's just say it was a guy off the street, some random Jack Black, right?
Jack Black.
All right, let's say it was Jack Black.
Up on that roof, shooting at a president.
Let's just say that was real, okay?
The FBI would not be in there the next day or the same day and spraying off all the blood and getting rid of the evidence.
Yeah, they don't tend to really be motivated to eliminate evidence of a crime for people that they're not actively colluding with.
Exactly.
Your kitchen in your house or apartment wouldn't be completely scrubbed of fingerprints with no silverware, you know?
I mean, like, if your neighbor accused you of, like, building an extension on your house that was one-fifteenth of an inch beyond the property boundaries.
Do you believe for a second they would make this level of bullshit justifications for something that's as simple as that level of error?
No.
The fact that the dog isn't barking is the surest sign there's something here.
It's the old Sherlock Holmes thing, the dog that does not bark evidence, which is effectively the evidence is the fact that there should be something here.
Right.
It's the polar opposite of the orgy of evidence, where you're like, wait, there's way too much evidence here.
This would not be this cut and dried if it weren't somehow set up.
No shit.
All right, so what was Crooks' first name?
Oh, yeah, you got three names, like a lot of them.
Thomas Matthew, I think.
Thomas Matthew Crooks, that's right.
If I remember.
Yeah, that's right.
And then there was...
Oh yeah, Maxwell Urich, which is the other person.
And there was one more name.
I forget who it was.
He was only mentioned like once and then completely ignored after that.
Yeah, see, I don't even remember that, dude.
I know, no one does.
I think, I don't know, man.
Why isn't there like some massive investigation going on in that, right?
I mean, to heck with a massive investigation, how is it that no major news source has even done the slightest bit of a in-memoriam or follow-up or remembrance episode of, you know, let's look back at this tragic event?
We nearly lost 45 becoming 47 in this dramatic display.
And it's like, you know, they used it for the...
that was the most annoying part is they used it and they hyped it up so much.
And then they expect that they just bury it afterwards.
People were legitimately interested.
Like, no, tell us what happened.
Yeah, and you just got to look at it.
Like, obviously he was not shot in the ear.
Like, come on, people.
Come on, people.
And then it's like, so now that we've dangled that carrot in front of you, that's boring.
Forget about it.
Forget about it.
Alright, we fucked up.
Forget about it.
Yeah, I'm sorry we don't have a story ready for you, but if you would just look the other way for a few seconds at that thing over there, we'll get right back to you.
But the fireman was shot.
Real people died.
Yeah, it's called collateral damage.
It's what the deep state, the CIA, these NSA agencies, they have to kill real people in order for you, the emotional...
This couldn't be fake.
You wouldn't connect to it if it were entirely fake.
I think I said this at the time, things can be both real and staged.
That's where a lot of people got it wrong, was they had this notion that every single person had to be a crisis actor and no one had to be killed for this to be pulled off, as if they couldn't just have some people in place to conveniently cover up someone else getting shot.
Exactly.
No, the people involved could easily cover up someone else getting collateral damage.
Yeah.
Again, you're underestimating here.
You're underestimating the capabilities here severely when you think they couldn't.
Yeah, dude.
And that's the problem with a lot of people.
The normies, we have to say normies out there because they're like, well, if they wouldn't, like, I wouldn't do that.
So they wouldn't do that.
It's like they compare themselves to a fucking psychopath and it's like, yeah, just because they're doing it or just because you wouldn't do it, you cream of the crop societal member, doesn't mean that they're not doing that.
Like, you can't compare yourself.
Yeah, well, see, they visualize themselves doing it and they think about how awful they would feel and how impossible it would be for them to keep it up without going and blowing the whistle and just being like, screw it, I can't take this no more.
And that level of unbelievability, which they really shouldn't have because it's not like popular culture doesn't teach you that they're sociopaths.
So somehow that level of unbelievability does not get dispelled by the real world.
It's irritating.
Like it should.
Like it should.
That's the trick is, you know, you get the mythos impressed on you.
You get the lies and the BS, but it's on you to shake that off.
Like at some point, no one can drag you to that water and make you drink it.
You've got to come to that conclusion yourself.
And as long as they can keep people from making that individual conclusion, you'll stay in the dark.
And that's why they keep pushing out all these narratives and all these news stories constantly.
We used to have a really pretty slow news cycle back in the day, and you could take your time to look at the news and see what the hell is happening.
But by the time you read the front page, you already have a whole fucking other newspaper ready of news stories.
Nowadays, it's like you look through the average news scroll, and it's so overwhelming.
You've forgotten the first few articles by the time you're reading the last.
Yeah, man.
They just pump it out.
It's really just...
Like, there's no way a fire hose into a teacup is going to retain anything.
No.
Alright, so Philip Paskey, who was the second in command of the Delta Project and Gacy's own documented employee, was on the prosecution's witness list.
Given the national publicity surrounding Norman and Paskey in the year preceding Gacy's arrest, One cannot plausibly argue that the prosecution was unaware of the human trafficking element in the murders.
Rather, the most reasonable explanation for the obfuscation of this pivotal aspect of the case is that,
just as with Norman's client cards in Dallas, which were ostensibly destroyed to protect the federal employees, So yeah,
that's all pretty succinct.
It's pretty obvious who was, is, and will continue to cover up those connections.
It's I mean, we literally see this in every case when the trail leads directly to the government.
Oh yeah, I mean, even if they got an ironclad case, it can die if it needs to.
And why haven't we seen the full, unredacted Epstein files yet?
Whatever happened to Phase 2?
Well, it's a CIA matter, just like the Finders, and many prominent politicians and celebrities are directly implicated.
Including the President of the United States.
Many of yours savior.
But let's bring it back to John Norman.
Again.
Political connections.
Evidence suggests that some individuals involved in the Franklin scandal that came out of Omaha, Nebraska were clients of the Delta Project.
And again.
That entire thing was covered up despite some news outlets trying to get the story out.
And you might remember the White House Call Boys front page news articles in which Ronald Reagan and George Poppyskin Bush were caught being involved bringing boys into the White House to do God knows what.
And those boys came from Georgetown as well.
Calligraphy, I'm sure.
Definitely.
We're teaching calligraphy.
Yep.
In June of 1978, Chicago police confiscated a large number of pink index cards from Norman's residence, which documented his clientele.
Each card detailed the client's name and their sexual preferences concerning the boys that Norman was exploiting.
During an interview with Ted Gunderson, And for those who don't know who he was, he was an FBI special agent in charge at one point, and he was also the head of the Los Angeles FBI for a time, and he had done a lot of amazing work before he died.
But during an interview, a child victim of the Franklin scandal, Paul Bonacci, revealed that he was abused by a Chicago school teacher named Joe Reynolds, who facilitated the procurement of children for a nationwide boy prostitution ring.
The individual in Chicago who managed this child prostitution operation maintained a collection of pink file cards, cataloging customers and the preferred types of boys.
Bonacci described being present in the apartment where these cards were stored, assisting with administrative duties for the network.
He noted that two names appearing on the file cards were Alan Baer and Harold Anderson.
Both of whom were implicated in the Franklin case as homosexual pedophiles.
Considering the timeline of Paul Bonacci's abuse during the late 1970s and early 1980s, and the location, which was Chicago, where Obama got his footing, and the description of the individual overseeing the network and the characteristics of the file cards, being the color and the content, it is highly probable that this individual was John Norman.
Well, gee, Scoob, it's almost like it's a network or something.
A massive network.
Who would have thought?
Like they've all been the club.
Like you take all these seemingly completely disparate and widespread examples that are all, quote, isolated.
And boy, they sure don't seem too isolated when you look at who's involved, do they?
Nope.
And that's the media, man.
The media, they'll just say the way they present these cases at the discretion of the government.
It just looks like all of these cases all during the same time periods in different parts of the country are just popping up and they're all just run by individuals not connected in any way.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, we got the press that's the after photo of the two dogs now because you got the muscular.
The super strong corgi and then the little pussy corgi on the other side.
Our press is definitely the, please daddy government, can we print this?
No.
Okay, we'll hide it as good as we can.
We'll do anything for access, sir.
Oh yeah.
BBC, CNN, Fox, MSNBC for sure.
All of them.
Probably the most irritating part is that they're then used to undermine the credibility of actually ethical ones.
Right.
It sucks.
So aggravating.
So, Bonacci, Paul Bonacci, also talked about a place in Tennessee that he was brought to where more molestation occurred for these networks.
And if you recall, the Episcopalian, I hate this word.
Episcopal?
Episcopalian priest Claudius Vermily was running the boys' farm in Winchester, Tennessee, which connected to Francis Sheldon and North Fox Island.
And we will get further to North Fox Island in this series, but for now, we should close this out with a few interesting tidbits.
Yeah, I mean, technically the show could just bleed into just the network, the show.
Yeah, totally, dude.
If you wanted to keep going, it's hard to find a stopping point.
It really is, because it just goes on and on and on, and the directions and the names, all the connections that you really are.
That guy putting the fucking yarn on tacks on you all.
Like, you are that guy.
Yeah.
Like, you really gotta ask yourself, is the fictional, like, serial killer who has no real connections and just does it because they're an evil, broken person even exists?
Or are they all just, like, MKUltra to some extent?
Like, are any of these guys genuine even?
Great questions.
Gotta ask yourself these things.
So these interesting little tidbits here.
So in California, John Norman was vocal about being a musician and producer of TV commercials, and there is a Certificate of Business record out of Palm Springs, California.
The company's name was Desert Records, and John D. Norman was the sole proprietor of that company.
Now what's interesting with this is that during the same time period, another well-known pedophile, child molester and child pornographer, was a music producer.
Mainly blues.
And a pretty famous one at that, out of Houston, Texas.
His name was Roy Ames.
And we have mentioned him in a previous episode dealing with Eye of the Chicken Hawk by Simon Dovey.
Now, Roy Ames was in it for the money and fame, not the music.
And he screwed quite a few people over because of it.
Some of the musicians Roy screwed over were Joe Guitar Hughes.
Johnny Winter, Freddie King, Jukeboy Bonner, Leonard Lowdown Brown, Big Walter, the Thunderbird, Pete Mays, JimmyT99Nelson, Clarence Green, Arnett Cobb, Rayfield Jackson, Sonny Boy Terry, Lee Frazier, Big Roger Collins, Kenny Abear, Al Bottas, Tommy Dardar, and Clarence Parker, among others.
Those are some of the bigger names that he screwed over.
And in 1997, a federal jury sided with the artist's allegations and awarded most of them more than a quarter million dollars in damages caused by Roy Ames.
Smack!
Yeah.
Ouch.
And Roy was a huge player in child pornography production.
And when he was indicted in 1974 for it, he said the others in the business were a small time compared to him.
A couple names being Guy Straight.
And the heir to the humble oil fortune, Bill Byers, who would flee to Italy as the police closed in.
Now, two tons of obscene materials were found at Roy Ames' apartment, and another couple of tons were found in a warehouse that he rented.
So, we're looking at four tons of this material was in this guy's possession, dude.
Four tons.
Four tons.
Holy fuck.
Like, that's like when they talk about, when they have the new, the modern stories, where they talk about like 168.4 terabytes and crap, and you're just like, there's such a mind-blowing amount of information.
Yeah.
Four tons.
Four tons, man.
Four tons of material.
Around 8,000 pounds of material were found at this guy's place.
All right.
And the police offered him a plea deal, just like John Norman, for a lighter sentence in exchange for information, but he told them his business.
Just like John Normans would thrive with or without him.
And he opted for the full sentence, which was a whopping 10 years.
I mean, that sentence really says it all.
It's going to thrive with or without him.
Yeah.
And then they thanked him for his work.
We're like, here's a slap because we can't completely let you go.
That'd be a little too obvious.
Yeah.
We don't want to be that obvious.
We've got to put you away for 10 years in a Martha Stewart type prison.
Yeah, I was about to say, we need to run some articles about the terrible conditions you have.
Be like, he only got half a portion of filet mignon.
His foie gras was burnt.
Just first world problems.
And someone stole his milk cup.
No, poor guy.
We go to Dallas.
So in Dallas, John Norman had an apartment at 223.
So this one's really interesting.
And I mentioned this at the end of part one a couple weeks ago.
And you're like, oh, that's a crazy connection.
So in Dallas, John Norman had an apartment at 223 South Ewing Street Apartments.
And keep in mind, this is the 60s.
And as it just so happens, none other than Jack Ruby, old Jacob Leon Rubenstein.
Definitely not up to anything.
Definitely not up to anything.
So, in HSCA Volume 9, Possible Associations Between Jack Ruby and Organized Crime, G. Jack Ruby Chronologies, 1940-64, and November 22-24, 1963.
That's the title of this, I guess, investigation?
A report?
It's stated that Ruby moves from 500 Marcellus to 223 South Ewing Street, apartment 207, and receipt for a $40 deposit on 223 South Ewing is signed by John D. Norman.
In the files of the FBI investigation of Ruby's background, they state, quote, The following investigation was conducted by S.A. Jack A. French on November 26, 1963 at Dallas, Texas.
End quote.
It's pretty interesting that there is a possible connection between Ruby and organized crime, which naturally means a connection to the FBI.
It's also interesting that Norman was said to have a construction company, just like Gacy.
They have these shady, what do they call them, front companies, right?
Yeah, well, you know, they probably got one dossier and then just like, this is a classic.
Why use anything else?
Yeah, it works.
It always works.
We already got the cover story.
And up until very recently, people were way too uninterested to actually look into this stuff to figure out like, wait, this really doesn't add up.
So yeah, it's really not surprising that it ends up kind of sounding like lazy Hollywood hack writing whenever you see these cover stories come out.
Dude, for real.
They come from the same crop of people.
You know, you want to write fiction?
Well, hey, you know, you want to work for the government?
You can do both.
Yeah, you can be the director of CNN.
How about that?
Let's see.
So in Chicago, there would be multiple news reports about Norman, a.k.a.
Gurwell.
Informants would name John D. Norman or Gurwell and Philip Pasquist suspects involved in the disappearance of Johnny Gosch.
Paul Bonacci would tell investigators that he was forced to take part in what ultimately happened to Gosch, and told investigators information that nobody would know unless they were involved.
Keep in mind that Paul was a victim-turned-perpetrator, much like Elmer Wayne Henley was with Dean Corll.
From page 266 of Freed to Kill by Jera Lind Kolarik, quote, The city does not have a notorious district such as Sunset Strip, but in the 1970s it had a computerized ring that sold boys to customers in other states.
The operation was called the Chicken Delight Escort Service.
One druggist on the north side always used boys to deliver medicine to plush high-rises on North Lakeshore Drive, the address.
End quote.
Yeah.
You know, the hot dogs and pizza is always the most common reference, but I seem to recall, what was it, a chicken salad also being on that list of terms.
With a walnut sauce.
Yeah.
These petal ring people and their lingo, man.
Yeah.
So, yeah, chicken delight way back then.
You know, in case you're wondering if these were modern terms that they just discovered, no, these have been code that have been used for a long time.
Yep.
I think because, you know, when the whole Pizzagate comet ping pong thing came out, they were referencing like a 2007 report of the FBI coming out with these terms that were used.
Oh, yeah.
Chicken and pizza or chicken pizza and hot dogs.
And yeah, the FBI came out.
I was like, yeah, these are definitely code words that pedophiles use.
2007.
So it goes way back.
Yep.
They use those and pretty much confirmed them.
Yep.
With that memo they put out.
Oh, but you're just a bunch of crazy conspiracists, you fucking crazy conspiracy theorists.
Yeah.
I mean, that's what's great about having a media apparatus that's so large that you can literally admit things while telling other people they're crazy for believing in it.
You just got so much information out there, you can do both.
You really can.
And we go to Colorado.
One of Norman's known aliases in Colorado, besides John Norman, or John Paul Norman, was Doug White.
Some say this is in reference to Fleet White Jr. or Fleet White Sr., names that were involved in the murder of John Bonnet Ramsey.
A known nickname of Norman's was Colonel, the same nickname used by other Pedophile Network figures, such as John Wayne Gacy and Michael Aquino.
And the owner of the Colorado ranch where Johnny Gosch was being held captive.
That ranch would be situated in Buena Vista near what's known as Elephant Rock and was run by a couple, William and Gladys Crouch.
Back in 1993, a year before they sold the property, Gladys was hired as an advocate for abused children, as reported in the Carlsbad Current newspaper.
Just saying.
And William Crouch was apparently a retired prison guard at the prison about 15 minutes away from the ranch, and he also owned a cemetery nearby.
He was also found guilty of digging up a woman's cremated remains during a dispute with her family and was sentenced to 18 months in prison.
That was an interesting dispute.
Yeah.
So, I mean, once I was doing this, dude, it's so easy to go down rabbit holes that just go off in so many different directions.
But just the fact that this guy's connected...
Yeah, dude.
Michael Aquino, who is like He was like a lieutenant colonel.
Well, I guess they weren't all serial killers.
of them were child trafficking stories like the franklin one but yeah you yeah you pretty much uh It really does.
Once you detail all of it.
Michael Aquino, man.
That motherfucker pops up in the crazy shit, like Presidio Daycare.
Yeah, all that shit.
So, past William Crouch.
Yeah, I think that's where we're going to end it.
I think that's where we'll end it, man.
Alright, sounds good.
So, that is a terrible perv who was pretty obviously a front for much more terrible pervs.
Absolutely.
And we will definitely hear about John D. Norman again in the future.
I can guarantee you that.
Because his name is going to pop up a lot.
And people who pay attention to this shit are like, holy fuck, there he is again.
Oh my god, there he is again.
He's popping up left and right.
Next thing you know, he's at Disney.
Hanging out with fucking Walt.
Who knows?
It's like, I thought it'd be wonderful and magical, like Disney World, but instead it was horrifying and forced, like Disney World.
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot to say about the people who go to Disneyland or Disney World, at least the Florida, or I guess all of them, wherever they are, California and Florida.
The Disney adult phenomenon.
Yeah, man, what is up with that?
Weird.
What adult is going to Disney?
What single adult with no children is going to Disney?
Well, that's what makes it strange.
Lots of people take their kids to Disney, but there's this new trend of my parents didn't take me to Disney, so now I'm just going to go myself.
Yeah, I guess so.
It's effectively like I finally got money, I guess.
So, now I'm going to go do the stuff I want to.
No.
Such not cheap, that's for sure.
Yeah, I was about to say, it definitely isn't easy.
I went to Universal a number of years ago.
And just a single ticket for one person was like $250.
I mean, this would have been 2010s around that time.
Totally expensive.
And I did not pay for it.
It was bought for me.
We went in some group of like 12 people, man.
I can't imagine how much money that person spent.
It's fucking crazy.
Oh yeah, when you go in those big groups, usually they give you some kind of group discount, which renders it somewhere below the GDP of a small country to perhaps could only ruin you financially forever if you had to do it yourself, as opposed to being literally unfeasible.
You could do it once, you'd just be broke after.
Completely broke for the next five years.
Paying debt.
You'll be paying a debt back.
Forever.
I mean, if you're poor.
Of course.
Yeah, I mean, I never went.
We asked the two boys, we were like, do you guys want to go to Disney World or Disneyland?
Just hypothetically asking to see what their response would be.
And they're both like, no.
Hell no.
And they're like third and fifth grades.
And they're already like, they know what's up.
Well, if you're in the Target demo and you still say no, I'd say that it's always going to be no.
Yeah, totally.
So that's part two, everyone.
Thank you for joining us.
We'll see what we have next week.
I don't know.
What do you want to do next week?
I didn't really think that far at this point.
Like, we could try to do it.
The mind-pushing one.
Yeah.
Ready to go.
We could try and nail that one to the wall.
It's about ready.
I think it's ready.
It's a long one.
We can try to knock it out in one episode, but it might go into two.
I mean, we might offend so many people, we could once again have it declared the worst episode ever.
Well, I mean, that was only declared by one person in that Madeline McCann episode.
I know, I just thought it was funny because I'm like, oh my god, I finally got feedback.
They hate us.
Damn it.
They hate us.
Yay!
That press is good press.
I was just like, well, maybe all publicity is good publicity then.
I think so.
I think so.
And I honestly, I think our episode was...
What did you think about that one that I had you listen to?
Which one?
About Madeline McCann.
The one after ours.
Oh, the response episode?
Yeah.
Oh, I thought, well, first off, that none of them would come on to the show, so now they're going to talk about it in this format of patting each other on the back.
Really kind of tedious that way, because I was thinking the whole reason that it was going to be interesting was because there was going to be counterpoints, and it's just two people that both think the same thing, so they just kept reinforcing stuff.
It's really hard to know what's true in those cases.
Because the whole point of having an adversarial discussion is the other person's motivated to disprove you.
Whereas when you've got two people just constantly reinforcing and being like, oh, really?
That's amazing.
That's great.
Oh, I didn't know that.
It's like, it starts coming off as very like back patting because you're just always...
Because otherwise you'd be engaging with people who don't actually think the same way.
So yeah, it was inevitable because of course it was going to be a space where he wasn't going to go on.
And I don't think I even wanted him to, but I thought ours just worked out better because we, And that was much more useful than us just going on there and being like, wow, this guy's an idiot.
And then both of us and everyone just reinforcing that.
It would have just been much more useful if they had actually brought somebody who could even devil's advocate the other side proper.
And so it ended up just being a lot of reinforcing the status quo of one side.
And that's what I was afraid of, and that's why I didn't listen to it.
Plus, I was just burnt out from listening to Madeline McCann shit.
I kind of lost interest in it when I got the whole lashing out because I didn't know all that much.
That annoyed me because the whole reason I didn't learn a whole bunch was because the whole point was I don't know anything sway me on this.
I'm here as an expert to weigh whether your knowledge is adequate or not.
That was the whole point.
You're supposed to be the expert convincing me.
I'm not supposed to be here advocating for either of you.
Exactly.
I try to play devil's advocate as much as possible.
Yeah, when I heard – so essentially whenever I heard something that didn't sound right to me, I waited for him to finish it up and I said, no, that doesn't sound like it's the way it went down.
And there's plenty of stuff on both sides of them where I feel like they don't acknowledge how absurd some parts are.
Right.
And everybody was just like, you don't have him on.
He's going to ruin your reputation and this and that.
No, he's just going to talk about dogs and the faulty fucking DNA testing and this and that.
Don't let him on.
He's just going to scream over you and not – Let it down about the dogs.
And it's like, the more you tell me not to have him on, it's going to make me want to have him on even more.
Also, I have bad news about my reputation.
Y 'all can't ruin it any worse.
Yeah.
Ah, joke's on you.
No one listens to me anyways.
So there.
I have no reputation.
Got nothing to protect.
But he conducted himself very well.
Yeah, I thought he did okay.
And see, I thought they did fine when they were talking together.
I was thinking, you know, if you could talk this way and debate with this dude, y 'all could have a good conversation.
You just need to pretend you're talking to this guy.
