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I mean, it was Mother's Day and, yeah, you know, we got caught up in Mother's Day and all the fun festivities and the sadness that surrounds it all as well.
Got it both ends of the spectrum.
Yeah, I mean, at this stage, it's looking at, it's, you know, thinking back on the earlier times.
At some point, it's a lot of...
Crying about even earlier times.
I remember that with my mom.
Yeah.
But, you know, you do it for them because you care a whole bunch about them.
Yep.
Definitely do.
And it's sad.
As age progresses, it just gets sadder and sadder.
Ugh.
Anyway.
This is going to be a fun episode.
Happy episode.
We have nothing but happiness.
So anyways.
In other joy.
Yeah, so much joy in the world.
What do we have?
What's so joyous today?
I got a kitty pop-up card.
That was a joyous Mother's Day.
You got a card.
Well, I bought it.
I didn't get it myself.
No, I didn't mean like I got one.
I don't get Mother's Day.
I was like, what the fuck?
I got a month to wait.
Oh, yeah.
Father's Day is coming up.
Shit.
And, you know, she got handmade ones.
Those are the better ones.
That was great.
Like my mom always said, don't buy me shit, make me shit.
Yeah.
My pop-up one wasn't nearly as cool in comparison.
No, probably not.
Probably not.
You bought it from a store.
You bought it from Hallmark or something.
Yep.
Funding genocide.
Well, it was probably...
Oh, what was that other one?
Dang it, I don't remember.
There was some, like, off-brand.
Because I actually don't think it's Hallmark.
No, one of those, yeah, cheaper off-brand ones.
But let's say, you think I got the money for Hallmark?
That shit is boo.
Get for it, Hallmark.
Yeah, Hallmark.
Be like, no, that whole section of the cards, that whole section of the cards, I just get bought.
Yeah, I don't look at that shit.
The team killer, the Carmelo Anthony killer, he's allowed to graduate from high school.
He's on bail for murdering that kid.
I mean, at this point, I'm surprised they didn't just give him a bike and let him go.
Well, fuck.
Yeah, who was that other one?
Who was the other recent one?
It was like those younger kids on a playground.
That white kid gets jumped by a bunch of black kids and the black kids get fucking given bikes.
Yeah, and they have this weird reconciliation photo opportunity.
We're all friends now.
No, we're not.
Yes, we are.
Unreal.
Unreal.
Yeah.
See, I feel like the Carmelo Anthony thing didn't really take off in the real world like they were hoping because it was just a little bit too absurd.
And so first they tried to go even more absurd with the Shiloh Hendrix one where we're like, will people donate to this?
Will people seriously give money for this?
And it's like...
Ding, ding, ding.
Yes.
Yes, they will.
Yes, they will.
And if they don't, well, you know, I mean, NGOs will fill in the gap if we don't get natural traction, which, I mean, outside the local area, I don't really imagine.
Like, how much outside of, like, podcasts and stuff are people actually talking about this stuff, right?
Yeah.
And then, of course, they thought, well, that's not really getting enough traction.
That kind of, like, floated and died like a crappy test balloon again.
So let's throw up this one, because they're like, they really, really desperately need another Griff that makes them as much as George Floyd.
And so they threw up, what's the new one?
The Rodney Hinton case.
Yes.
Yeah.
Which is the just absolute pinnacle of ambiguity because, oh man, that body camera, like, it's impossible to tell.
And I feel like that's by design.
And like you were saying earlier, like, man, that is some crappy resolution.
And I'm thinking to myself, and I'll bet that...
It's a potato.
And from what I was looking, and from what I read last time, I think it cost like $1,000 per camera back when I was looking into it originally.
Jesus.
Like, you can see, I have a still shot.
The cop has his hand in front of the camera, and even his hand is blurry.
You can barely tell it's a hand.
Right.
Maybe ask the military guys where they procure the stuff that they don't just get issued, where they get their stuff from that's ruggedized and buy that instead, for God's sake, people.
I feel like you're getting ripped off more like the military guys going through the no-bid contractors.
Yeah, exactly.
They gave the cops first-generation body cams and charged them astronomical prices.
The cops are like, well, whatever, because we'll just get more money from the public, because that's what we do.
We act like we need more money because we're understaffed, we're underequipped, so we need more money.
Like, my parents would get phone calls from the sheriff's department asking for money.
Like, that's what they fucking do.
They call homes.
They call people's fucking homes asking for money.
These fucking assholes.
And if you give them a lot of money, you could go have a nice dinner.
Nice crab dinner.
What is it?
The policeman's ball or whatever that they do where it's at a certain tier of donations you get to go.
So fun.
Exhilarating.
At least that's what I always assumed.
I never actually said yes, so I never really got into whether there was actually a ball to attend or not.
So maybe I'm just talking out my butt here.
No, I'm sure you're accurate.
But I always assumed that there was an actual ball that you could You know, buy your way into, like, Amway Tears.
Oh, gosh.
Amway.
No, I think there is.
I think you're right.
Definitely think you're right.
It's gotta be real.
It's like the cake at the end of Portable.
It's gotta exist.
Yeah.
Or else there's no motivation.
So the Shiloh Hendrix shit, like, what she's raised close to a million dollars for saying...
I'm gonna put a little beep there.
Suck people out.
Oh, man.
Make him question whether you did it or not.
Oh, no!
Did Coop say the N-word?
Oh, God!
Yeah.
Banned a podcast.
Fuck.
Well, apparently...
So, let's see here.
Sir Escanor on Twitter, he laid this all out.
Shiloh's brother works with Mr. Beast and Elon Musk.
All right?
What the fuck is that about?
Me, I'm just like, the next step will be like, her parents were educators in the mental health field.
Right?
I'm like, I feel like the story's going really beat for beat here.
There sure are an awful lot of these stories where it's like their parents were educators working in the mental health field.
And it's such a weirdly specific job.
With ties to intelligence.
With ties to intelligence, yeah.
Oh, and you know, it was a school with a bunch of military contracts.
Nothing to look into.
Nothing to look into.
So, Sean Hendrick, Shiloh Hendrick's brother, works with Elon Musk, Mr. Beast, Data Republican, which are all viral on Twitter.
They help cover up Zionist crimes for Doge, and Israel promotes Wiz AI camera systems during swatting ops as the solution to the problem.
This is Sean Hendricks here, her brother.
Tied to data republic in a Fed-tier plant who markets Scott Pressler.
Oh, shit.
Gets SWAT ops trending, works at Snapchat.
Oh, my God.
As a director of engineering.
These things are always so demoralizing.
By the time you're done parsing through the connections, you just ask yourself, is anyone out there even real that gets more than five minutes of coverage?
Seriously.
He's also a self-appointed expert on election fraud.
Jewish involvement in crimes, Christian behavior towards Jews.
And Mr. Beast, he's a Jew who got rich off PR stunts, tight with Musk, rumored to be friendly with kids.
Yeah.
Yep.
And I mean, well, and I mean, all of his work is philanthropy work, which is maybe good.
Totally.
These days, I don't actually know.
Like, it might be good things, but at the same time, it might be like...
Not.
I don't know, man.
He doesn't even have a lot of money.
He even said he only has about a million dollars in his own account, and all that money is just up there.
It just gets circulated through all these NGOs and shit like that.
When he went over to Haiti and drilled those water wells, that wasn't him.
That was just a PR stunt.
So in other words, he's effectively performing...
PR work for existing USAID and other org operations.
Yes.
That's another trick is everybody's like, but USAID was dismantled.
And I'm like, it's not like there wasn't a dozen other orgs that we have and don't ever hear about that they could just kind of slide them on over to to keep dishing out money somewhere else.
I'm like, think of the government has any problem giving themselves secret money.
Oh, man.
Black budget.
Yeah, I was like, they're picking your pocket while slapping their other hand and telling it, no.
It's fucking just unreal, man.
Un-fucking-real.
They grew a third hand to do that.
Yeah.
Yeah, dude.
What else do we have here?
So what else do you have?
The Hinton case.
Oh, yes, the Hinton case.
He stole a car and then ran from police and was shot by the police, shot dead.
And they said that he pulled out a gun, right?
A little handgun?
Yeah, they claimed it fell on the ground and he picked it back up.
That's the part I want established, is whether that actually happened or not.
I just watched the video, like, as we were just talking, and he doesn't drop anything and doesn't drop anything or picks anything up.
He's just running between some dumpsters.
Yeah, so it's like, if he didn't...
So, like, uh...
Again, six seconds.
They couldn't have given you the 15 seconds before that to demonstrate whether he picked an item up.
For God's sake, people.
This is agitprop.
And there's also someone made a little...
They broke it down.
They slowed the body cam down and took some still shots.
And what looks like a gun that Ryan Hinton has in his hand isn't a gun.
They're literally stickers on the dumpster.
It's pretty apparent to me.
I mean, it is filmed with a potato, so we have to take that into account here.
It makes it impossible.
I heard so many people trying to weigh in on it that were looking and were like, I don't know what the hell that is.
When I looked, I was like...
It kind of looks like a sticker.
It could be a phone.
It could be anything.
Probably trying to call his dad and be like, dude, the cops are coming after me.
And a lot of this would be cleared up if they simply had released 20 seconds of footage instead of 6. And what, you're telling me that that previous 15 seconds, it's like, nah, man.
We didn't have enough bandwidth this month to release that.
Yeah.
It's just...
I'm just saying it just irks me because it's one of those things where we could have a definitive answer.
Like, you know, if he dropped something on the ground and went down for it, like that would sure establish a hell of a lot more whether or not the story they're trying to throw up here is true.
But because we don't know that it serves as.
well as I'm so fond of saying a whole lot of BS to get everyone fighting and just enough facts to get everyone settled in on their own opinion about it Totally.
I'm trying to reserve judgment on it simply because it's so ambiguous.
And then the real problem is, of course, is the dad's response is he goes out and just runs over some random unrelated cop.
Yeah, white cop.
And then he has a GoFundMe, which from what you were saying is only set to $6,000.
It was set to $6,000.
I just saw again, it's $20,000.
Maybe they upped it.
Well, maybe they don't believe the grift has ran dry on this yet.
What I don't like about that shit is all these people, they're all black people, by the way, are saying, yeah, Hinton's my man.
Look at him.
Put his face up like that to those cops.
Look at him.
Oh, he's my hero.
It's like, what the fuck are you talking about, dude?
You guys are fucking pathetic human beings if you really think taking life is cool.
Like, yeah, I get it.
He was pissed off that a cop killed his son.
I'd be fucking pissed off too, but not go run some fucking cop over because a different cop shot my son.
That's the thing I don't understand.
like if this guy had taken some kind of specific revenge it would be a much more sympathetic case for just about everybody like i'd still be like that's messed up to just go kill the dude before you find out if he like actually just shot your kid or not for sure but yeah at the same time like i would at least understand what he was doing like could relate to it like that level of anger Oh, yeah.
I'd be pissed.
Oh, yeah.
I'd be pissed.
Run over somebody else who, it turns out, isn't even actually working for them anymore.
I guess he was just retired, so he had on a uniform directing graphic for a school or something.
And I'm like, this sounds like a novel.
See, if a cop killed my fucking kid, I would go after that cop.
Yeah, that's the part that makes it...
So ambiguous.
See, this guy would see a lot more people would be leaning in this guy's corner if he had taken specific revenge and would be like, he still killed somebody so he still probably got to do some time but I totally understand why he got so mad and raged out.
But here it's just, you know, I ran over a symbol.
Yeah.
No, that's cold-blooded murder.
I hit the symbol of authority.
That's about it.
And it's like...
And it wasn't like he found somebody in a traffic stop that was getting cuffed or something and thought, you know, like, screw that.
I'm not going to let this happen to someone else.
No, he was running off of people directing traffic and keeping children safe.
Like I said, it sounds like a freaking novel.
It's so absurd.
That's why I do not like all these people coming out of the woodwork saying, look at him, stand up like that to the cops when he's in the courthouse, when he just gets sentenced to life in prison or whatever.
And he's walking over and they have a line of, I don't know, 15 sheriffs.
And he's just looking at them, just eyeballing them down, has his head up high.
He's like, yeah, fuck you guys, fuck you guys.
It's like, dude, none of those guys have anything to do with the cop that killed.
Well, maybe one of them were in there, I don't know.
So that's the thing I wondered.
That's the thing I wondered.
They said it was a show of intimidation, but I also wonder if the guy had worked so long to retire, how many other members of the force would that guy have gotten a rapport with?
He could have easily had 15 friends that just showed up angry and it had nothing to do with any intimidation at all.
Totally.
And they were just essentially like, we're here because you killed our friend.
And the thing is, is like...
The thing that I think is crazy is that in the GoFundMe here, it's like even in the Carmelo Anthony thing before, some people were trying to argue self-defense, even if a lot of people were just straight up doing this whole race war BS argument with it.
In this one, I feel like nobody's arguing that he didn't do it at all, and everybody's just donating and is just celebrating that he did it.
And that's 100 times honestly more messed up even than the previous one.
I agree.
It's pretty fucked.
Like, the fact that this dude might hit 20,000 is almost worse than the other guy getting half a million, I swear.
It's bad, dude.
It's so bad.
I'm gonna see if it's up.
I'm gonna see if it's up again.
Well, apparently they cut his deposits off to his account in prison.
Because everybody was giving him money?
Because people were trying to...
Yeah.
So they said, sorry, the inmate has reached the deposit limits.
The limits are 50 deposits, totaling a max of $200 in a 14-day period.
That's crazy.
Whoa, so 50 times 200?
No, only up to $200.
So everyone can deposit like 20 bucks.
Oh, okay, up to 50 deposits.
I'm like, man.
I just gotta say, if your friends hit that $200 limit, and at 50 deposits, they have us to some cheap-ass friends.
I'm gonna be really generous.
Four dollars.
Four dollars.
Yeah, this shit's...
This shit is ridiculous.
Even a white guy, for the record, he did nothing wrong.
At all.
Come on, man.
If you disagree with the statement in any way, unfollow and block me.
You're the cancer eating our future.
I'd say you're the cancer uncle authority.
You are the cancer.
Uncle Authority?
Is he like a parody version?
Like an anti-Uncle Ruckus?
I have no idea.
I don't even care.
I give no fucks about that guy.
But yeah, that shit's just sad all the way around, man.
I don't know.
Murder's not fucking cool.
In any way.
I mean, just as a general rule, don't give these people money, please.
Totally.
Just good advice there.
Great life advice.
And if you do, do not put up a comment.
Yo, in the Black Panther movement, they had some armed, they held an armed rally at the courthouse with Rodney Hinton Jr.
They literally showed up full body armor, AR-15s, face masks, and yeah, trying to intimidate the cops apparently.
So that's fucking just nonsense.
I mean, at this point, is it even really about the dude who shot the kid?
No.
It feels like this is really just them trying to jump off of something else.
Like, man, everybody's kind of forgetting, like, you know, as this dude's going to go down for this super long bid, that, boy, even if you were sympathetic to his revenge, he ain't getting it now.
Nope.
Nope.
What's really alarming, though, in all of this is the fact that cops get let off of murdering citizens all the fucking time.
That's what really fucking irks me, dude.
Really grinds my gears.
Like, you remember the tired nickels?
This was, like, maybe a couple years ago.
But he was, like, handcuffed.
A bunch of Memphis's in Memphis, Tennessee.
They handcuffed him, put him on the ground, and, like, he couldn't...
They beat him up in handcuffs.
Like, beat him to death.
And they were all...
Let go.
Oh, we've seen nothing wrong.
You did nothing wrong.
They also did witness tampering.
And yeah, still, cops are let off.
Walk free.
I mean, how did you know he wasn't a psychic master trying to control their minds and make them shoot each other?
Right.
What exactly is the justification here for people that are okay with it?
That's the thing.
There's so many cases where it is so awful.
And those almost never seem to be the ones that get illustrated.
Back when everybody was arguing about the Michael Brown case, and whether or not that was justified with Zimmerman and everything, that was so ambiguous.
And around the same time, they had the Dan Shaver case, where it was literally just a dude being given contradictory instructions and then shot.
And I'm like, fuck, how is that not the controversy?
How are we going?
Again, pay attention to what is being highlighted because that's really what's more important than the story itself.
Which ones are they choosing to really try to latch on to?
It reminds me of another one, the Dred Scott case.
Boy, that one was really outraging back then.
It came out where...
He got videoed from a side source, you know, because the body cam was turned off or whatever, like it always does.
Oh, yeah.
Oops, I turned it off.
Like, you shouldn't have given an off switch.
That should never have been a thing.
And so he tried to claim the guy took his taser, but he actually chased him down.
Because the family did not want to turn it into a huge grift and basically told BLM, nah, we don't want to have messed up rallies agitating this.
We want...
The guy who did this to go to jail for murder.
We want actual justice.
And so they pursued that.
The cop went to jail for murder.
And it never became a huge story beyond sites like copblock.org.
Yeah.
Yeah, what's interesting about that...
Why?
Because they didn't want to start the fighting.
I think the Tyron Nichols case, the cops that were...
I think they were all black cops, too, that beat him to death.
That's probably why that one didn't get off the ground.
Because it was black cops that did it.
Yeah, so then they were like, I don't want to talk about it now.
Exactly.
The St. Louis case with Anthony Lamar Smith, the white former police officer, found not guilty for murdering, shooting to death, Mr. Smith, the black guy.
That led to widespread protests in that city when that happened.
There's Terrence Crutcher, Tulsa police officer, was acquitted in the fatal shooting of Terrence Crutcher, an unarmed black man.
The acquittal sparked protests in that case.
Jonathan Price, a former Texas police officer, was acquitted of murder in the 2020 shooting death of Jonathan Price, a black man.
The acquittal followed a preliminary investigation that deemed the officer's actions not objectively reasonable.
Yeah, see, and I feel like we're trying to swing the other direction now.
And still keep this messed up status quo where if they do something truly heinous but they need to be covered up, they'll be protected.
But then simultaneously they'll be held to account to ridiculous extents.
If they do the dumbest little mistake thing, but they don't need to be set up as some kind of fight for everybody, then it's like they throw the book at them now and treat them like trash.
So you get the worst of both worlds, where effectively even the cops suffer from anarcho-tyranny.
Ironically.
Because, see, they're getting nailed for procedural BS and fired for the smallest thing if they don't stay in line.
And then, simultaneously, the bad ones will get away with whatever the hell they want.
Yep.
I mean, remember...
Where's possible setup of the system?
Remember back in 92 when Rodney King was beat by all those cops, dude?
They were, like, laughing, taking turns, hitting them with fucking billy gloves, broke his leg, like, all sorts of fucked up shit.
They were all fucking acquitted of that.
And there's a video, which is really weird, like how that guy, the filmer, was just there and happened to have his camera in 1992 and filmed that whole thing.
It's kind of weird.
Yeah, it's not like nowadays where you just got quick access to a Handycam.
Back then you'd have a Kodak Handycam or something, one of those little miniature portables.
To have it just on hand like that.
Yeah, well, the cameras back in 92, they were bulky.
I was about to say, if you didn't spend money out the butt, you had to buy an older camera that was super expensive.
Even the ones I'm thinking of were a bit bigger back then.
So you pretty much had to be two-hand holding this thing, pointing it at the incident the entire time.
It makes you kind of question, like, man, you saw those guys looking around as they were attacking and stuff in that video.
At least one of them had to have noticed the dude holding the big-ass camera pointing at them and just thought to themselves, no one will care.
That's how bad the culture was there back then.
I will add, those cops who were acquitted in the state court, they were later convicted in federal court of violating...
His civil rights.
Rodney King's civil rights.
I don't know the outcome of that.
They were all probably given promotions afterward.
Golden handguns, golden badge, all sorts of shit probably.
The acquittal tore the city apart.
They had to have some kind of symbolic punishment laid down after that or else it would have just kept going.
George Holliday was the filmer.
He was a plumber.
I just happen to have a video camera with them.
Well, I mean, when I'm plumbing, I always bring my portable camera.
Yeah, yeah.
Just in case I need to record a water leak that's like filling up a basement and I'm locked inside so everyone can remember who I was from the found footage found in that basement.
Yeah, the cops, there are two police officers, two of them, out of like six or seven of them.
Two of them were sentenced to two and a half years in prison.
Federal prison.
So that's good.
So, I mean, they at least got something.
Granted, any authority figure going to lock up like that is probably going to get some kind of protective custody.
Oh yeah, big time.
And or not survive.
If we want to be realistic here.
Who was the George Floyd cop?
Who was that guy?
Derek Chauvin.
Derek Chauvin, yeah.
What's he up to these days?
I mean, that's what I was about to say.
I mean, didn't that guy mostly have...
Like, wasn't he mostly in solitary?
And then, of course, when he wasn't in solitary, someone tried to stab him to death?
Yeah, he got fucked up.
I don't know.
Maybe he was put in general population.
But I thought he was in solitary up until then.
He was.
He had prisons three weeks ago.
I'll just read this really quick.
He was transferred to a different facility.
Yeah, he was stabbed in general pop.
I mean, I feel like moving him to general population was really an attempt to get him offed.
Dude, who would do that?
Like, why would you do that?
They know a cop is not going to have a good time, which they should put cops in general population.
I fully support that.
I really do.
See, in this case, the guy was so famous, he was not going to be able to survive anything but protective custody.
Like, the average cop could probably go to lockup.
If he was locked up in a place where he wasn't, he didn't serve.
And probably not see a whole lot of people that recognize him.
Right.
But Derek Chauvin?
No.
No.
Yeah, the white cop that probably put him in an all-black jail.
Yeah, there'd be no prison in the country that could stick that dude in where people would not recognize him.
It would not work out.
November 24, 2023, he was stabbed 22 times by a fellow inmate, John Terskak, Tucson, Arizona.
Oh, he was a Mexican mafia gang member.
Well, it's to keep the scandal up because, see, they're coming up with a review on his case, I think, from what I was hearing.
So a lot of things that are going to further muddy the George Floyd case are probably going to come out from that.
And I'm guessing the authorities didn't really want to discuss those things.
So they thought, well, you know, this guy needs to go back to general population.
And see how he fares.
And then when he survived, they're like, well, crap.
We can't keep sending people at him.
It's going to be too obvious.
His wife divorced him.
Derek Chauvin, his wife divorced him.
All of his appeals were denied.
The U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear his last appeal.
Like, nah.
Nah, you just sit it out, dude.
He's set to be released in 2037.
He'll be let out before then, though.
Yeah, I think, what was that estimate I heard from, what's his face?
They said you serve on average roughly 40-60% or whatever the number is, which doesn't account for the people who completely get off and don't serve.
So those are the people actually sentenced.
That's going in.
Those are like state, that's like a state crime, state court, whatever.
In federal, I think it's 85% of the time.
Yeah, I was going to say, federal, I think it's 50, it might be more like 50 to 70, I think he said, but yeah, it's a nastier number.
At the same time, though, you can plead out early.
Yeah, yeah.
Please let me out.
A lot of it depends on whether you extend it or not.
They'll be like, oh, I have COVID, and they'll be like, oh, shit, he's got COVID, let him out.
Right.
Bunch of bullshit.
Oh, yeah.
Bunch of fucking bullshit.
I mean, that's the crazy thing.
There was a point during the whole pandemic where it was like, you have COVID.
Let's lock you up.
In a few parts of the world, it's like, oh, you got it and you weren't.
Or you didn't have your shots.
Time to be locked up.
And now it's like, oh, I got COVID.
Oh, let's let him out of jail.
Let him out.
Everything flipped again.
Well, what other news do we have?
I was telling you before we started recording, there's going to be a massive volcano eruption 300 miles west of the coast of Oregon.
And yeah, they're saying it will erupt this year, 2025, and it will cause very significant damage and loss of life.
So we have that to look forward to.
Yay!
Happy stuff.
Happy stuff.
Nothing brings people together like a tsunami.
Oh, dude, okay, since you said that, I'm gonna admit this on air, dude.
So, the other night, maybe two weekends ago or so, I decided I would just go watch some old footage from the Fukushima, that tsunami that happened.
Dude, I literally fucking cried.
I was watching that shit, and I just couldn't help but be overcome with, like, so much empathy for all those fucking people.
Because at first, it was, like, walking in the streets, like, holy shit, look at all this water coming in.
And it's like, you know, all those motherfuckers were killed, dude.
All of them.
And it would show footage of people who were, like, in precarious places on rooftops who helped other people escape.
That's some grim footage, man.
And it's some of the worst footage, dude.
And I just, I fucking cried.
And my girlfriend's sleeping next to me.
Oh, yeah.
For sure, man.
Or you just know they didn't make it.
Yeah.
I was crying.
I was like, fuck, I hope my girlfriend doesn't wake up and see me crying.
I did not want her to see me crying.
And, yeah, I fucking cried.
There's a lot of disasters where you can see something happen to somebody and make the excuse, like, maybe somebody pulled him out later.
But in that case, you knew, yeah, nobody was coming anytime soon.
No, dude.
It breaks my fucking heart.
Okay, here's that.
Yeah, underwater volcanoes.
Yeah, we don't need to get into it.
That's all you people need to know.
Okay, what about the video of...
India and Pakistan almost went to war and then they didn't.
How often does that happen?
I mean, yeah, I was about to say, if you follow them, they do this stuff on the regular.
I swear.
Yeah, they do.
They almost nuke each other at least once a year.
I swear to God.
Don't make me push that button.
Oh, I'll push the button first.
It's like they both just pick fights so that they can get their fence bending up.
Exactly.
What about the video of Macron, Starmer, and what's that other guy?
The fuck's that other dude's name?
They're at a table.
This just came out.
It's all over the fucking media, but there's a bag of Coke and a little Coke spoon and Macron.
What I don't get is why nobody saw that baggie there.
And it took this long until they finally noticed it.
And they're like, oh shit, there's a bag of Coke right here.
Right.
I mean, a couple people have claimed it was like a coffee stirrer and a friggin', what was it?
A bag of creamer?
Yeah, like powderized creamer, which is plausible simply because, you know, what are you doing your Coke in front of a bunch of journos?
But at the same time...
Can't put it past them.
When you're high as hell on a bunch of coke, sometimes you do incredibly stupid things.
Well, I'll just say that and leave it at that.
And there are so many videos of all these guys.
Oh, and it was just after a meeting with Zelensky.
And we all know Zelensky is a massive cokehead.
That's where the real traction came from.
It didn't even the baggie and the spoon.
You met with Zelensky and then you were all touchy-feely and hype beyond belief.
Well, yes, that wasn't cocaine, everybody said.
I will say this, because there's a close-up picture of the baggie next to a cup, and I did notice that in the cup there's some white residue.
So I'm wondering, well, what's that?
Why is there a white residue in this cup?
Was he drinking milk?
The other guy has water in his cup, but the other cup's empty, but there's a little bit of white residue in it.
So I'm wondering, what the hell?
Maybe it was just some, I don't know.
Some sort of supplement?
Yeah, it's a powderized coffee creamer.
Well, it's not coffee creamer.
It's definitely not coffee creamers.
They're not drinking coffee.
They're drinking water.
So it could be just like a little supplement.
Like, I get these little protein supplement powders that are white.
And like, who knows?
Who knows what the fuck it is?
But I will stand that it is Coke.
I will stand on that.
I would be okay.
I will also accept desiccated adrenochrome.
There you go.
There you go.
That's probably most likely it.
But the fun part is we get to speculate because you know they'll never answer it definitively.
This is just going to be another one of those scandals they try to pretend they didn't do.
And we have the Diddy trial.
This will be the last thing we'll get into the story today.
The Diddy trial is off.
It's like, I don't know, day five or something.
Cassie Ventura testified, said that he handed her a loaded gun.
And when they went to that L.A. club, there was a shooting.
Rodney Little Rod Jones.
He filed one of the earliest lawsuits against Diddy.
He was in court.
He even claimed that Jennifer Lopez smuggled the gun inside and that Diddy was the one that actually did the shooting.
But yeah, that court case is going off.
What I don't fucking like about it is they're only going to focus on the adults doing adult shit with adults.
They're not going to get into the children.
I fucking guarantee it.
They're not going to get into any of that shit.
Yeah, I'm just like, why is Bieber's name not coming up?
Because the stuff done to him was very much done before he was an adult.
100%.
Let's talk about the actual offenses.
I feel like they're trying to do that.
Like you say, just trying to push it into, oh, well, they might have drugged people a bit much.
It might have been a bit forceful.
But nothing really too bad.
And I'm like, oh, for God's sake, dude.
I mean, yeah, they're just talking about how Cassie, like Diddy, Sean Combs, made these male prostitutes piss in Cassie's mouth.
And it's like, well, first of all, you chose to be there multiple times on multiple different occasions.
You chose to let it happen.
You chose to go back.
You chose, you chose, you chose.
You could have chosen not to go there.
You could have chosen not to participate.
But instead, you went.
And I'm going to get a lot of flack for that.
But, I mean, that's just the way it is.
I mean, short of coercion, she did want to go there.
And also, like you were saying before, the people we're not talking about, a lot of them were not there on their own volition.
Yeah.
Or at least not.
And the ones that were there were not old enough to have the agency to make the decisions they were forced into.
Yeah, and I get it.
Like, yeah, you get drugged up, you're gonna not make the best decisions.
And we all know there are massive amounts of drugs being passed around at these parties.
And who wouldn't want to go to a ditty party, a freak off, right?
Try it once.
Probably fucking love that shit.
But that's the thing.
Why'd you go back a second time?
Why'd you go back a third time?
Why'd you go back a fourth time?
Why'd you go back dozens of times?
I had to see if the other 29 rooms of Epstein's...
We're also clear.
I found the first one and I made sure there was nothing going on in that one, but I had to go back 29 more times.
I'm like, what were you?
You were an insider taking him down from the inside.
I had to keep gathering evidence.
And to do that, I had to keep getting violent.
I took one for the team.
Well, me, I'm like, yeah, again, that's the thing.
They're going to frame that as you did sexy games and then suddenly you decided you don't like them no more.
Which is what we see in a lot of relationships with just a man and a woman.
A woman stays in an abusive relationship, whatever, and she's part of the abuse.
She abuses her husband, boyfriend, whatever.
But then it comes to a point where it's like, well, I don't like him anymore, so I'm going to accuse him of all this nasty shit.
And if I get him first, if I accuse him first, I'm going to win.
And from what I heard, they already had a witness vanish, so, you know, it's already going swimmingly for the defense.
I'm sure they'll have a whole lot more convenience before time is up.
Kind of like, you know, when they were trying to present it as him being, like, effectively airlifted to see caught, it came out that he was pretty much eating, like, a personal chef-prepared meal, and everyone was like, yeah, you're getting...
You're getting treated real bad in there, we see.
Yeah.
And I'm like, wait, hold up a minute.
Are you getting fed a more expensive meal than I have to buy?
For real.
He's getting the Al Capone treatment, the Pablo Escobar treatment.
Yeah, as I say, you're getting better food in lockup than most people get on the outside.
This is absurd.
Totally absurd.
And then the Pam Bondi shit with the Epstein case.
She's like, oh, she comes out and she's like, we have...
You know, thousands more videos of Epstein with children.
That's it.
What about all the politicians with children?
Why just focus on the dead guy?
Or, you know, supposedly dead guy.
I mean, the thing is, you know, most of those videos were probably not just him.
Exactly.
And the ones that weren't him, they're not looking at those ones.
So are they editing out the portions where he brings in others?
Because an important part of this is Epstein wasn't just a perv.
He had a job to do.
And that was to get...
And so, of course, he's going to be in almost every one of the videos for the introductory part.
But at the same time, the one that we really need to be nailing is that politician who goes in after because he's the one financing this.
Yeah.
And or whoever, or rather, whoever paid for him to go there, because a lot of times these guys are getting flown there on somebody else's dime.
100%.
And someone, one of these AI tech, not AI probably, but some of these tech companies, they've got phone records of everyone that flew to the Epstein Island, Little St. James.
And, like, it's all politicians.
And it shows the path they went with their phone, because it's GPS.
And they all go to Epstein Island, and then they just, like, they turn off there.
And then you see them leaving again.
Those are all politicians.
Hundreds of politicians.
But not one video is out there.
Just Epstein and children.
Yeah, exactly.
They gotta settle for a couple of accusations.
We can't get no video evidence.
Come on, people.
Like, that's not a little suspicious.
And frankly, at this point, I'd rather they just burn the whole damn pile of tapes.
If you're not going to actually hold anyone accountable, you should have destroyed all that evidence.
What are them pervs doing with it, man?
For real.
And, well, fucking good luck on our 10-minute tops for news, right?
Well, it's all good.
Holy shit, we're moving on.
40 minutes into it.
Alright, well let's get into the real story here.
John David Norman.
And if you listened to some previous episodes, particularly the one we did with Eye of the Chicken Ox, Simon Dovey's book, yeah, you kind of have an idea of who John David Norman is.
The real peach.
Oh, one of the peachiest of peaches.
So, John David Norman, born October 13th, 1927 in Ada, Oklahoma.
And at age 16, he was working as a radio engineer for the station KTRH and was planning on attending Northwestern University.
Norman attended Lamar High School in Houston, Texas, and was part of the Student Council and the National Honor Society in his junior year.
Just a little backstory on him.
That's about as flowery as his early life was, and from there he lived an extremely criminal lifestyle until his death on May 22, 2011.
He was particularly well-known.
Throughout his life, Norman operated various mailing services dedicated to the distribution of child pornography and arranging the sexual abuse, rape, and possible murder of young boys.
Norman is known for his alleged links to serial killers Dean Corll and John Wayne Gacy.
Norman used at least 20 different aliases throughout his life, including John Paul Norman, Stephen Gerwell, Alan Hitchcock, Charles Caldwell, Clarence McKay, and Patrick Nelson.
Some of those names might sound familiar.
Steve Gerwell does.
But yeah, he died 83 years old.
I mean, he lived a full life, dude, of doing this shit.
And how does someone live a full life doing this shit?
With help.
So, in the late 1960s and early 1970s, John D. Norman was actively creating networks of child sex trafficking rinks around the United States, and internationally, by the way.
But he first set up a ring in Dallas known as the Odyssey Foundation, and then another in San Diego known as the Conquest Agency.
Huh.
Very Epstein-ish.
It feels like the first one was like, let's see what we can get away with, and then the second one's like, let's really tell on ourselves.
Yeah, dude.
According to Chicago Police, Norman also ran organizations called the Norman Foundation, Hermes, and Epic International.
But he also had the Delta Project, Creative Corps, MC Publications out of Chicago, and Handy Andy in Pennsylvania.
Yeah, Handy Andy.
Yep.
So clearly, it's all this guy thought about.
Boy sex.
And it begs the question, what happened to him in his childhood?
You know?
What the fuck happened to him?
How does someone get to this degree of just heinousness?
Not in good ways, generally.
I mean, sometimes people just end up turning bad anyhow, but a lot of times they have help.
Yeah.
So, in fact, his future psychiatrist, Dr. James Rivas, would have this to say about him.
Quote, John is an unrepentant adult male sex offender who, in my opinion, will go to his grave without any remorse for what he had done.
And that is definitely true.
And somehow, for some reason, whenever John was arrested, and there were many arrests, he'd only serve a very minimal amount of time before he was released, either by completion of his tiny sentence or by bond, in which he would just flee and presume a new name and start a new publication.
Norman was also likely connected to the Guyon Society, a pedophile organization founded in Europe whose members believed...
In establishing regular sexual contact with children prior to eight years of age, which is very reminiscent of the Boy Love Foundation.
What was that Boy Love Foundation thing?
Nambla.
Nambla.
Yes.
Very interconnected with that.
Yeah, a real loving organization.
Oh, yeah.
I wonder how they're doing these days.
You don't hear much of them anymore.
Ever since South Park.
Yeah, I think they raised their profile a little too much and people outside their circle found out who they were.
Yeah, we gotta go underground.
Under the Getty.
So, another organization publication that was popular in Europe was called Spartacus.
And I'm pretty sure I touched on this back in the day in a different episode.
But it was first published by John Stanford in 1970 and ran out of Amsterdam.
John Stanford was a former Roman Catholic priest from Lancashire.
Lancashire?
Who moved to Holland after being convicted in England of studying pornographic material through the mail.
Child pornographic material, I should add.
It was a travel guide.
Spartacus was a travel guide that listed boy brothels all around the world.
Among the places listed by Spartacus was a place called the Elm Guesthouse, which I did cover in episode 71. And it was a boy brothel in London that was favored by the elite and run by Haroon Kasir and his wife, Carol Kasir.
And that shit was...
Big time.
MI6, MI5.
Huge.
That's verified.
Time again.
Time and again.
Peter Glencross, the commercial manager of Spartacus, was said to be the guy that convinced the people to change, that'd be the casters, to change the bed and breakfast into a boy brothel.
They were paid big dollars for that.
Another publication related to that group was called Pan Magazine.
The Spartacus Network was reported to have 25,000 British members during its years of operation.
Another network was called the Azimuth Trust, Oh, suspicious as hell.
Yeah, it was founded by Dr. Morris Fraser, who was a ranking member of another publication similar to the Azimuth Trust, the Pedophile Information Exchange, Pi.
And it was used as a front for the network with international connections with the main goal to abuse boys.
And all these things we're going to be talking about today is literally about boys.
Like, none of these people liked girls.
They all liked little boys.
Yeah, so let's bring it back to John Norman.
Norman's initial arrest took place in Texas, where law enforcement confiscated a card file index containing 30,000 contacts, which included victims and clients associated with the sex trafficking operation in relation to the Delta Project.
The membership of this organization allegedly cost $15 per year, and a booklet with pictures of the boys and their physical description would cost an extra $3.
In 2025 dollars, that would be roughly 125 for the membership and about 25 for the booklet.
Perversion on a budget.
For real.
Yeah.
It was suggested that numerous contacts were influential figures such as politicians, clergy, and wealthy individuals.
I say suggested because the evidence of these names and connections was ultimately destroyed by the U.S. State Department under the direction of none other than Henry Kissinger.
Well, yeah, that's all dirt they wanted to keep.
If those people actually go down and do a bid, that's dirt that's gone.
Oh, yeah.
And the Dallas Police Department forwarded the index cards to the State Department for further investigation.
However, the State Department dismissed the evidence, stating that the cards were not pertinent to any passport fraud case, despite there not being any discussion of a passport fraud case.
Simple obfuscation.
Subsequently, the entire collection of index cards was destroyed.
That's actually a pretty common strategy when they're trying to make a story die like that, is they'll make an excuse about how it doesn't fit some completely unrelated thing no one was talking about up until then.
And be like, and so that's why we're dropping it, and I'm thinking to myself, like, you got a sniper rifle pointed at you.
Either figuratively or possibly literally.
Well, that's the thing.
You get everybody involved in something like this.
They all have to protect each other or else.
Yeah, so everyone covers their butts and stuff.
And that's also why it's so important that they don't let any of them go down.
Because a lot of times, like a barrel of monkeys, they're all connected.
You pull them all out at once.
And after facing charges in Texas, Norman escaped to Chicago where he established the Delta Project.
His objective for this organization was to enhance a network of child sex slaves throughout the United States available to serve men as required.
His strategy included creating dormitories intended to accommodate three to four children supervised by one or more adults.
It remains uncertain how far Norman progressed with his plans before he was again apprehended by Chicago police in 1973.
However, the Chicago PD indicated that Norman's operation was active in Chicago, Dallas, and Los Angeles.
So this is far-reaching.
And according to a congressional hearing, Senator Culver...
Alright, so this is like kind of a little...
discussion between these people here.
Right.
Senator Culver, would you describe this project, how it works?
Mr. Layman, he sends out material and receives material from other agencies similar to his, which invites men to, well, one program is called the Don program in this program.
He invites anyone who is willing to have a cadet, which is a young boy between the age of 13 and 19, right in there to have him live in this house.
He will take.
A Don should take one to three cadets to live with him in his house.
He would pay a fee of $50 a month for having these cadets to live in his house.
But at the same time, these cadets would not only serve him sexually, but would also any other members of the Delta Project, which is quite vast, would contact these Dons, and he could invite them for a weekend, and these people would in turn pay him for letting them use his facilities, his house, and...
The children.
And John Norman would get a percentage of this back.
End quote.
That's how it worked.
Like they were shipping these kids around in planes from state to state.
Letting these people, you know, rape them.
And at times, kill them.
And again, on the cheap, this is more about getting blackmail info than money.
Yeah.
And John Norman did make a lot of money.
Like, this guy's making a ton of money in small increments.
Like, he could have been a billionaire by the end of this, but I feel like the real money he'd be making would be from all the dirt.
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
Which is why he just kept getting released or was let, like, he would just escape.
Like, okay, you can be released on bond.
Here's 20 bucks, you're out on bond.
Oh, oh, where did he go?
What, dude?
Fucking assholes.
When you go to ask for a raise, that's what your boss would call intangibles.
We know all about that.
You don't necessarily get to hold it, but you definitely profit from it.
Yep.
Another network going on during this time was operating on North Fox Island in Michigan, which was run by a millionaire named Francis Sheldon.
Sheldon was also listed as a sponsor for the boys' farm in Winchester, Tennessee, that was being run by Claudius Vermeley.
Vermily?
I think it's Vermily.
But he was an Episcopalian priest.
Oh, Episcopalian.
Episcopalian, Jesus Christ.
He was an Episcopalian priest, also known as Father Bud.
During his time as director of the boys' farm, Claudius sexually abused the boys aged 11 to 16 and photographed them engaging in sexual acts amongst each other and with him.
The photographs were developed in a darkroom located in his attic and were mailed to customers in and out of state, often with the assistance from the abused boys.
The children were also forced to engage in prostitution during overnight stays with other sponsors.
Law enforcement became aware of this illegal activity at the farm after his advertisements appeared in pornographic magazines and from material found during the investigation of New Orleans Boy Scout Troop 137, yet another network for abusing boys.
This just never ends, dude.
It's so crazy.
This gets so deep and just interconnected with so much shit.
It's nuts.
Whatever avenue of access they can make, they can get to.
Get boys alone.
They're going to try and exploit it.
And if they got the level of connections and dirt that lets them get away with it, they got the level of connections and dirt that are going to let them infiltrate it.
Those same people will get them in that got them out of their problems earlier.
They'll get them into these orgs.
And I want to point out, dude, child pornography was legal in the United States up until 1970 or something like that.
You could literally mail that shit.
You could have it.
You could trade it.
You could produce it.
All sorts of shit.
It was legal.
It was fucking crazy until, like, I think this motherfucker is why they started putting in laws.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, what was it?
I think the Netherlands, I remember reading.
Yeah, they were huge.
They didn't actually ban it until 1994, so that was used as a distribution point for most of the world because it was the one place where you could still legally mail it from.
Yep, Spartacus.
Spartacus, man.
So, New Orleans Boy Scout Troop 137 was a Scouting America troop in which at least 25 boys were sexually abused between 1974 and 1976.
Troop 137 was founded in 1974 in New Orleans, East Louisiana, by four men, Richard Halverson, Raymond Whittle, Harry Kramer, and Louis Sayal.
According to Sayal, during his later testimony in court, the troop began with the intention to, quote, End quote.
That was it.
That was the whole reason why it was there.
Like they didn't even give the pretense of we're going to teach little kids how to tie knots.
Dang.
Nope.
Nope.
And it was better for them if they were mentally challenged.
It's fucking just so sad.
Easier to take advantage of and convince not to tell anybody.
Yeah.
And before establishing the organization, Halverson and Woodall relocated to New Orleans from Coral Gables, Florida, where they were employed as maintenance staff at the Adelphi Academies, an alternative institution that served as a cover for, you guessed it, boy prostitution.
Peter Bradford, a co-owner of the Academies, was arrested for molesting Boy Scouts in New Orleans.
The troop was first mentioned in a newspaper ad looking for young individuals resembling, this is so weird, resembling Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn to participate in fishing photo shoots.
So weird.
Oh my god, it's the little boy version of, do you want to become a model?
Yeah.
That's messed up.
In 1973, Woodall and Robert Lang, a member of Troop 137, also launched a tour guide service in New Orleans offering tourists entertainment, accommodation, meals, and access to legal-age prostitutes, which later included underage boys from the Troop.
Woodall stated in a letter to the Times, Picayune?
Is that how you pronounce that?
Picayune?
I don't know, Picayune, Picayune.
I never really found out how it was pronounced.
Yeah, the Times...
Picayune!
Like Pikachu.
There you go.
That their clientele included politicians from outside Louisiana.
Sayal testified that the service initially hired adult gay men but transitioned to employing young boys to reduce expenses.
Like you said.
Yeah, I'm sure that was the only reason.
The troop leaders focused on boys from troubled backgrounds, often by infiltrating organizations like Child Welfare Services and Big Brothers Big Sisters of America.
Halverson and recruiter Richard Pass employed a strategy of luring boys and their families by grooming them with gifts such as motorcycles or guitars, leading to their placement in the Adelphi Academies and Troop 137.
Men from outside of New Orleans would travel to the city to abuse and rape the boys, and the boys were also sent to other states for the same purpose.
Ultimately, the boys were exploited for the production of child pornography, which was recorded and photographed by the tribunals.
I can only hope some escaped on those motorcycles.
Fucking hopefully, dude.
Like most criminal enterprises that have been dismantled, you have to wonder, how did that happen?
How was this organization taken down?
Well, funny story.
On August 23, 1976, a malfunction occurred with a conveyor belt at Photomat Labs, a commercial film development company located in Dallas, Texas.
The regional manager...
Obviously wondering, well, what the hell is going on?
And so he checked the conveyor belt and noticed a series of photos which depicted two adults engaged in sexual acts with an underage boy.
After being shocked and taken aback at what he saw, naturally, he then looked into who sent this roll of film to be developed and found that it was a man named Harry Kramer.
He then alerted local law enforcement and the investigation would result in the arrests of Halverson Woodall and Lloyd Schwagman the following month.
During searches of their residences, detectives recovered index cards containing the names and addresses of boys from various states, acquired through boy-to-boy pen pal exchanges found in pornographic publications.
Additionally, they confiscated explicit photographs of 15 different boys and magazines with titles such as Boys for Sale, Naked Boyhood, and Young Boys and Oral Sex.
Believe it or not, these were publications.
These were magazines.
Being offered in stores, dude.
What the hell, man?
Boys for sale, naked boyhood, and young boys and oral sex.
Like, what the fuck?
God, imagine the dude who goes in to buy that.
For real.
Oh, how ragged you gotta look.
Well, dude, good fucking point.
Anyone, just go look up what John D. Norman, John David Norman looks like, and that's the face of what...
There's the purchaser of those magazines.
The dude is such a creep, man.
It's insane.
Halverson and Woodall faced multiple charges related to sexual offenses, while Schweigman was charged with contributing to the delinquency of minors and possession of the drug tuanol.
You know what that is, right?
Wait, what's tuanol there?
I have not heard of it.
So tuanol was introduced as a sedative hypnotic sleeping pill medication in the late 1940s by Eli Lilly.
The drug saw widespread abuse from the 1960s to the 1980s.
The pill was known colloquially under the street names Tui's.
Tummies, Double Trouble, Blue Tips, F-66s, Rainbows, Beans, Nalls, and Jeebs.
I've heard beans before.
Not the rest of them, though.
No, I've never heard of Toonol until I looked into the ship.
Of course, I always heard beans in reference to stimulants.
A lot of times it was referenced to the fake amphetamines that you can buy over the counter, like ephedra and all that.
Right.
Double Trouble.
It has a totally different meaning now.
Back then, I guess, beans knocked you out.
Big time.
In pop culture, the jug was featured in the Ramon song Psychotherapy with lyrics such as, quote, I like taking two on all.
It keeps me edgy and mean.
I'm a teenage schizoid.
I'm a teenage dope fiend.
End quote.
Truly an amazing ideal to aspire to.
For real, dude.
It was also mentioned in another song called Lost Johnny by the psychedelic London-based band Hawkwind.
Which is weird.
Chicken Hawk.
Hawkwind.
Hmm.
In the final verse, they say, quote, And we're all taken to an all to murder our young dreams.
End quote.
Hmm.
That's weird.
Creepy.
I'm pretty sure Hawkwind was involved in some of that shit.
Anyway, I'm not making accusations.
Murder our young dreams.
I kind of wonder if they didn't get wind of it and call it out, because you read a lot of those subtle call-outs through the years.
Yeah.
Yeah, dude.
Anyway, following these arrests, Troop 137 was finally disbanded.
Kramer, Pass, and Lang attempted to flee, but were captured shortly after.
By May 1977, 19 men were charged with abuse in relation to Troop 137.
According to then District Attorney of Orleans Parish, Harry Connick Sr., the clientele had abused children in 34 different U.S. states as well as in England.
Contacts of the troop were found as far away as Saudi Arabia.
International operation.
So...
Robert Lang pleaded guilty to a conspiracy charge in 1976 and was given a suspended sentence.
Raymond Woodall, who prior to trial was committed to a state mental hospital for severe depression and suicidal tendencies, wondered why.
I'm really depressed about being caught being a disgusting pervert.
He received a 75-year prison sentence in May 77 and died in prison in 2013.
Also in 1977...
Louis Siel pleaded guilty to two counts of crimes against nature and received a lighter sentence of seven years.
He was probably released after like three.
Crimes against nature.
Yeah.
Yeah, they had different wordage back in the day.
You have attacked nature.
It gets better.
It gets better.
Trust me.
In August 1977, Richard Halveson was sentenced to 30 years in prison on 5 counts of indecent behavior and 11 counts of aggravated crimes against nature.
He received a lighter sentence than would all due to his remorse during trial.
So is that where you talk some smack to nature before you kick its ass?
Yep.
Damn you, nature.
You aggravated nature before you attacked it.
That's just, yeah, if you are abusing...
See, the thing was, it was like homosexuality was really looked down upon.
So if you were gay, that was seen as being against nature.
Oh, that's crimes against nature.
Yeah.
So effectively, because you're trying to hook up with boys, which will never result in a baby.
So then the really gross thing is that if the sexes were reversed, that would not have been a crime against nature.
Probably not, unless the child was prepubescent.
Yeah, I was like, unless they aren't of childbearing age.
But I feel like that leaves open a huge window for abuse there.
Oh, it does.
And it did.
And it did.
Oh, okay.
Well, I was so worried nobody would take advantage of this.
Yeah.
So the same month, Harry Kramer was sentenced to 45 years in prison on 26 counts of aggravated crimes against nature.
Also in August, Richard Pass was sentenced to 40 years in prison.
Multiple other men were convicted and received lengthy sentences for their part.
And then we get to 41-year-old Bostonian Richard C. Jacobs.
He was a multimillionaire businessman and former part owner of the New England Patriots, who was facing a maximum of 15 years imprisonment for sexually abusing members of the troop.
And one day before his trial, he jumped bail and was never seen again.
Yeah.
Weird.
Legally, he is still considered to be alive, since his body has not been found, just like his car, which could very well be at the bottom of a body of water, with him inside of the trunk.
Who knows?
Who knows?
Or he could be, you know, Costa Mesa, sipping daiquiri.
Or he could be in government somewhere.
Or he could be, yeah, I was about to say, or he could be reassigned.
Yep.
Which is most likely...
The case.
In California.
Good job taking down all those guys and getting all that dirt.
We have a new job for you.
Unfortunately, you have to, quote, die now.
Bye-bye.
So your old name is dead.
We're no longer Richard C. Jacobs.
You are...
Jacob C. Richards.
Yeah.
No one will know.
What I was going to say, who's the fucking governor of California?
Oh, Gavin Newsom.
Yeah, you are no longer Richard C. Jacobs.
You are now Gavin Newsom.
And he's like, oh man, don't worry, you're going to be a governor.
Oh, sweet.
It's all good, buddy.
You did so good, we're going to give you a whole state.
Yep.
Do what you want with it.
That's why they just recently...
Okay, we might as well bring this up.
It's more news.
It just happened recently.
The California Senate or House or whatever, they had a...
We're trying to pass a new law to make it illegal to purchase 16 and 17-year-olds for sex.
Specifically for sex.
So that just happened.
Which really begs the question of that being legal before that.
How was purchasing people in the first place legal?
Exactly.
How is that now just trying to become a law?
Which it was passed, by the way.
The governor did pass it.
To his own demise.
Oh, man.
But yeah, it's crazy.
I mean, that really kind of begs the question of why do you not want that?
Also, how is that not already a thing?
How were you allowed to own people in California before then?
Were they trying to make a case for reparations finally?
That's the thing.
And it was like 116 Democratic voters, whatever, in the state, in the government.
They voted against it.
Right?
I don't know the exact number, but it was a lot of Democrats.
They were like, no, we can't pass this law.
We need to buy these 16 and 17-year-olds for sex.
So, yeah, just go look up who voted against that and then, you know, swat their house or something.
Or don't.
Don't do that.
I did not tell you to do that.
Yeah, don't do bad things.
It's a joke.
Although, if you would like to send them a letter complaining...
Yeah, do that.
Send them a letter.
Telling them they suck for voting against that.
And you're basically telling them, we know where you live.
Also, like, my first thought as soon as I heard that was all the people voting against it were probably thinking, yeah.
16 and 17 year olds is what we're worried about.
Really?
Let's keep the focus up there, please.
And so I did look into that and I was wondering, well, why is it just 16 and 17 year olds?
And there already were laws put in place for anyone younger than that.
Just not the 16 and 17 year olds, which is so weird.
Why?
You gotta be old enough to be sold, I guess.
And fight back or something?
I don't know.
Well, yeah.
You gotta be almost legally an adult before you can sell yourself off, which...
Yeah, I mean...
Also, the thing is, is the way they make it sound is that they're not, like, paying them as, like, you know, prostitutes.
They're, like, buying, like, purchasing them.
Like, that's the part where I really take contention, is that they're making it sound like it's just okay to buy the people.
Ownership?
Yeah, it's really weird.
And the wording is really weird.
Which I'm like, the forced sex part doesn't really need to be necessarily added for that to be bad.
Exactly.
That's the part that gets me.
It's like, why forced sex?
Because wording is very important in the legal world when you're making laws like this.
The wording is very important.
So like 16 to 17-year-olds, forced sex.
Not just flat out.
You're purchasing 16-year-olds for things other than forced labor.
Right.
It's a real problem.
I mean, we all know California is like a haven for this sort of shit.
They get so, well, I mean, they get so ridiculous that they almost become parodies of themselves sometimes where when you hear news down there, you have to make sure it's not actually a parody site reporting it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because you're like, this is a joke, right?
No, it's not a joke.
They are.
And that's just the government of California, ladies and gentlemen.
We're not talking about you, the common man, woman, whatever.
We're not talking about you.
We're talking about the government here.
I'm sorry.
At this point, I frankly don't think that your government represents the majority of you.
They're so gerrymandered.
Absolutely.
So you probably don't really have a lot of control.
As a whole, where people say, you voted for this, and a lot of times you're like, well, I tried not to.
It just didn't work.
People that really back the government up there are far, far left extremists.
They're the same ones who want to take away voting from everyone else.
Because you might pick the wrong person.
Right.
So, getting back into this.
Claudius Vermily, whatever the fuck his name is, Father Bud, we should say, is thought to be involved to some degree after the child sexual abuse material that he produced was discovered in the Troop 137 investigation.
His contact information was also found in Halverson's files.
And wouldn't you know it, John Norman's name also appeared in his address book.
They're all connected.
During the execution of a search warrant at the Boys Farm in Tennessee, police discovered scores of developed and undeveloped photographs of child pornography, as well as card catalogs containing the names of hundreds of current and previous financial contributors.
Claudius claimed that the photographs were placed on the farm by agents of an unspecified national child porn ring.
He was being set up.
You know how it is when people just put really damning evidence in your house that you've gone through a whole bunch of times and spent long hours looking at it?
Right.
I mean, it's like, you know, I'm just a really innocent guy.
Yeah, and we can't discount because...
The government does do that shit.
They do.
I suppose I probably shouldn't be an ass.
It's like the other time I suggested it and then I was like, as I was being sarcastic, I thought, actually, no, they do that shit.
They do do that shit all the time.
So it is plausible.
They can easily put CP on a person's computer without them knowing it.
Remotely.
Especially if you're running Microsoft or something.
I mean, there's the famous example of Alex Jones where they planted it on his computer, but I guess the people that did it weren't really tech-savvy enough to realize that there's read-write history.
And so it...
Indicated effectively that it was just put on there and then never opened or accessed.
And it's like, yeah.
So effectively they screwed up their own case by not knowing enough about computers.
Well, here's how easy it is.
They can easily just send you an email with some files attached, whatever.
Some innocuous title.
Like, hey, you just won a million dollars.
Click here to get it.
You know, something stupid like that.
And you click it and then boom, you got it.
That's how easy that shit is.
I mean, hell, even pre-internet, those people had a file on you already.
They could send an email to you purporting to be a business you're associated with or a place of work saying, here's a report.
You click on it.
And then what will happen is you'll think that...
You downloaded only that file, but it actually backdoored half a dozen CP photos also onto your computer as you're looking at this seemingly innocuous fake report, like the old Trojan horse trick.
Exactly.
Where as soon as you give one file access, it piggybacks a bunch more.
Embedded files.
And there's a little trick they can use where they just layer photos so they have all the illegal photos, and then they just put...
An innocuous photo, like a car or something on top of it.
And so you only see that photo, but underneath that photo.
Yeah, but in the layer data, if you take away the top layer, for example, in digital images, you'll find the...
It's almost like layers of a painting, kind of.
So yeah, you can hide stuff that way.
And anybody who...
I mean, for God's sake, unless you know to go into Photoshop.
And specifically pare it down and like show the hidden stuff.
How would you even ever know it was there?
And then bam, you're busted for it without ever having like even been aware you were given it.
Exactly.
And you have no argument.
It's like it's in your possession.
The fucking government doesn't give a fuck.
They just want to see you rot in hell because...
Well, it's covering their ass.
Well, I mean, the real trick is they're usually doing this to nail somebody that they want to screw over.
That's true.
So it's like...
The wheels will be greased in the legal system in the opposite direction of the people that are working for them getting things like slaps on the wrist and released on bail after this sort of stuff.
Yeah, man.
It's just an ugly world.
Released on bail, never actually shows up for court.
They just drop the case.
I'm sure the court's not going to go after somebody just not showing up for court for a serious crime.
I've read a couple like that, and I'm like, those are the most beggar belief.
So you just never showed up?
Close the case.
And the thing is, some of them weren't even big-time sounding people, but at the same time, you ask yourself, maybe they were.
Yeah, and I do always say government never gets busted for this shit, but they do.
I have a big list of both Republicans and Democrats who were acting in government at the time who were found with this sort of shit or raping people or this or that, sexual offenses, whatever.
I have a massive list of all these people.
Yeah, they're just the hangouts.
Right.
You just want to hear about them.
Yeah, they just kind of get dumped out there once it's like, okay, we can't protect you in particular, so we're going to resort to protecting us.
But unfortunately, you're doing a bit now.
Right.
And unfortunately, you thought you were protected, so you probably have a boatload of really blatant evidence to go through to convict you.
And how that all works is like...
You're not just in government.
There are levels of government and you work your way up to the top.
That's why you'll never see Trump in prison.
You'll never see Hillary Clinton or Bill Clinton in prison or the Podesta brothers in prison.
You'll never see those big names in prison because they've made it through all those fucking, you know, the rigmarole and they've made it up there.
Now they're fucking protected, dude.
They are like protected.
Yeah, they're not going to get no punishment.
So it's the low-hanging ones who are trying to get up there, who did something that the ones that are up there don't particularly like.
So they're like, alright, put them away.
We don't want them.
Or they hit a thing that they just decide, I can't abide by this, and then they need to get got rid of.
Once they grow a conscience, some people decide to grow a conscience or they are naive signing in and think that they're really going to do some beautiful, noble thing and find out it's not like that.
They need to be got rid of now because they know things that are bad.
Oh, did you hear David Hogg was taken off the DNC?
Because he was like the head.
They really wanted him to be the head of the DNC and they're trying to move him up to get, you know, eventually run for president.
Not too shocking.
I mean...
The dude, like, makes freaking Kirby look like a bodybuilder.
He's so fucking skinny, dude.
It's kind of scary.
He's all bone.
Weird shit.
And he's a piece of shit.
But anyway.
In addition...
Yeah.
In addition to the crimes committed against the boys who he was responsible for protecting, this Claudius we're talking about, Claudius also used his own son, William, for the production of CP.
William disappeared near the University of the South on July 5th, 1974, and was never found, just like Dick Jacobs.
And on June 3, 1977, a jury of 10 found Claudius Vermily guilty of three counts of crimes against nature and five counts of aiding and abetting crimes against nature.
He was sentenced to 25 to 40 years in prison.
Surprisingly, in 1978, he was deposed from the priesthood, which doesn't seem to happen all that often when they're caught for these types of crimes.
So it's kind of surprising, right?
Yes.
It is.
And on June 22, 2018, he would pass away at age 89. In his own home.
So he served his whole sentence, surprisingly.
But let's bring it back to John David Norman.
Upon Norman's arrest by Chicago police, authorities discovered a new list of 5,000 clients, contacts, and subscribers to Norman's self-published pedophile magazine entitled Hermes.
It was one of three boy love newsletters published in the U.S. at the time.
The other two were Better Life Monthly out of California and Broad Street Journal out of Colorado.
And I have not looked into either of those yet.
I'm not sure who was running those two, but yeah, I'm sure we'll get to that at some point.
I mean, both of them sound like pretty much the most innocuous and generic thing ever.
Which is almost kind of surprising when you look at the names of the magazines that were being sold before then.
They were pretty blatantly advertising.
Now in this story, it sounds more like they're trying to stay under the radar.
As you're going through this, you're witnessing these actions being much more socially not accepted as they were trying to be forced on the public as accepted.
They didn't take well to...
Yeah, they didn't take well to them trying to normalize these practices.
BLM.
Out of California.
Better life.
Facing a maximum of 10 years in prison, the police would go on to offer John Norman a plea deal, but he rejected the offer.
Even being behind bars, John would continue to publish Hermes while working in the mailroom.
He also enlisted the help of another inmate who he quickly formed a relationship with, Philip Paskey.
John, in one of his newsletters, referred to Paskey as his right-hand man.
And Philip must have just been over the moon.
But Norman's human trafficking operation in Chicago, referred to as the Delta Project, included Delta Dorms, which were dormitories set up in various states for boys or cadets under the supervision of an individual acting as a Don, an adult with a sexual attraction to children.
This Don exploited the boys sexually while pretending to offer protection.
Or management, and we're basically forced to agree to everything in order to stay in the dorms.
So they were being coerced, for sure.
Like, you want to stay in the dorms?
Yeah, this is what you got to do.
And Paschi was released prior to Norman, and he ended up taking over the publication of Hermes and the Delta Project.
So he was doing this in prison, dude.
These guys were sending these out while in prison.
They were using the mailroom to do this shit.
So crazy.
I mean, at least gang members would smuggle in cell phones and do this surreptitiously.
This sounds very blatant.
Very blatant.
I'm just going to keep doing these things that got me locked up.
Yeah, don't look at me.
In prison.
Nobody...
Yeah, not at all suspicious that I'm being allowed to do these things.
Like, were there no guards?
Like, hey, what are you doing?
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
Like, did they just have a completely unsupervised mailroom?
Like, what are you doing?
I was just working on my pedo journal.
I think they were getting paid to look the other direction, honestly.
Yeah, it doesn't seem like you would organically be able to pull off the publishing of a publication in the mailroom of a jail without somebody looking the other way.
No, especially the...
The big honcho, the fucking...
Oh, the warden?
The warden, yeah.
Like, the warden should know everything that's happening in the prison.
Like, he's supposed to.
And I'd imagine this guy would be a pretty high-profile prisoner.
I mean, he did some pretty heinous stuff to get there.
Big time.
But then again, in these times, like, these weren't really looked at as they are now.
Right?
I mean, that's true.
Like, you know, the woodchipper meme is kind of a more modern creation.
Yeah.
Back then, it's like, oh, you've been a naughty boy.
You better, you know, serve some time and then you're all good.
But now it's like, oh, you better go in the woodchipper.
Anyway.
Just bang adults next time.
Yeah.
No.
Swat them with newspaper.
No.
Bad.
On May 27, 1977, hearings conducted by the United States Senate Subcommittee commenced in Chicago focusing on safeguarding children from sexual exploitation.
Significant testimonies were presented regarding John Norman, Philip Paskey, and the Delta Project by Cook County State's Attorney Bernard Carey, Investigator Jack Lehman from the State Attorney Office, and Chicago Tribune journalist George Bliss and Michael Sneed.
That same month, the Chicago Tribune published a series of articles addressing child human trafficking.
One cover story titled "Chicago is: Center of National Child Porno Ring" explicitly identified John Norman and Philip Paskey as the leaders of this trafficking network.
The Tribune would detail John and Philip's operations such as,
quote, absence.
and quote.
*sniff*
And remember, he only got fucking...
John Norman only got four years for this shirt.
In August 1977, Paskey was terminated from his summer position at a municipal swimming pool following the revelation of his involvement with the Delta Project.
The Chicago Tribune featured a comprehensive article detailing Paskey's dismissal, including his mugshot, and outlining his partnership with Norman in the human trafficking scheme.
Quote, a convicted thief and close associate of the head of the National Human Trafficking Network was dismissed on Monday for his role as a children's supervisor at a fire department swimming pool, end quote.
I mean, come on, like, the job is just too, too perfect for him.
Like, how is it?
How is it that the dude was doing this job for so long and nobody noticed?
Again, I guess I'm thinking from a more modern perspective where this is much more frowned upon, but damn, how would this have lied?
I don't know.
It's just nuts, dude.
Different time.
It's crazy.
Because I'm like, yeah, of course, the perfect job for a creeper is to go manage a kid's swimming pool where a bunch of kids are bathing suits.
I'm like, my God.
Yeah.
So let's go over some important points really quick.
So Dallas police suspected that Norman was trafficking victims of serial killer Dean Corll.
All right.
Delta Project may also have trafficked children to serial killer John Wayne Gacy.
And in a point in that, there were three paychecks paid to Paskey from Gacy's construction company, PDM Contractors, for unknown services.
And the acronym for that is Painting, Decorating, and Maintenance.
Gacy claims that some of the victims found in his home were not killed by him.
He insisted that other people had murdered victims in his house while he was out of town.
He also had at least 12 other sets of keys which he gave to those people that he trusted.
And all that's actually verified.
So there's a lot of shit in the Gacy murders that are like, alright dude, he couldn't have been acting alone.
There's some other shit going on there.
I mean, obviously that's like accomplice stuff because I'm thinking to myself, I trusted you and you murdered someone while I was gone?
Well, that's it.
I'm taking the keys away for a month.
No murders for at least a month.
Yep.
And so Norman was reconvicted of molestation in 1988 and of child porn distribution in 1995 and 1998.
At 81 years old, he was released from prison in 2008 in San Diego, but was recommitted to Coalinga State Hospital in March 2009, where he died two years later.
Paskey, now dead, was suspected of murdering three teenage boys, one of whom was to testify against Norman in court.
Suspicious.
Delta Project is suspected to have provided children to men traveling offshore, possibly taking children on trips to Europe.
In 1977, a Chicago Tribune article contains an early reference to chickens, or young male prostitutes.
And everyone familiar with the WikiLeaks email leaks with Hillary Clinton, she refers to chickens.
Yeah, I was about to say, like, people always focus on Pizzagate, but most people don't remember hot dogs and chickens and the other references on there.
Yeah, the $60,000 of hot dogs sent from Chicago.
Yeah, people just think of the one term, but there's actually a whole bunch of catch-all terms.
I was looking through them like chicken sandwich was one of them.
Oh, God.
And I'm just like, man, can't you say anything innocent?
Can't you refer to any kind of meal without it being some kind of big and disgusting code word?
But then again, that's how it's set up.
So then you can't ever tell if people are referencing it or not.
Because if it was just one term, it would be easily avoidable.
What runs through my mind is thinking, okay, Chicago was the epicenter of boy-man-love type shit.
You're right, child pornography and all that shit.
That's where Obama got to start.
And then the WikiLeaks email says $60,000 of hot dogs, which is a code word for boys, was sent out of Chicago.
Oh, and pizza.
Was sent to the White House when Obama was in office.
Like, there are so many weird connections that people need to start thinking about here.
Like, how did Obama get a start?
Chicago?
I mean, how is this guy out in between these times to get reconvicted with what he did?
I mean, man.
Like I said, he's given tiny sentences.
And then given really low bonds.
Like when you look at the years that he was convicted, you just think, wait, and he was out in between?
How the hell was he not serving?
How did he re-offend?
Yeah.
So let's do like a quick overview of John Norman's crimes real quick here.
So Norman's criminal record dates back to the 1950s when he was twice arrested for sexual assault in Houston in 1954 and 1956, though it appears that he was not convicted of either of those.
and court records and news reports indicate that he was first convicted of sex crimes in 1960.
Norman was convicted of sexual assault in California in 1963 and in federal court in 1970 for sending obscene literature through the mail, obscene literature being these publications of child pornography.
He received a 15-month prison sentence for the federal charge and served time at the McNeil.
15 months.
15 months.
So, the Odyssey Foundation in Dallas.
On August 13, 1973, the Dallas police received a communication from the FBI indicating that they had spoken with a 21-year-old named Charles Brizendine.
Charles reached out to the agency based on advice from Rob Shivers, who was a correspondent for the gay magazine called The Advocate.
Brisendine informed the agents that he had been invited to Dallas as a fellow by a sponsor that was associated with an organization called the Odyssey Foundation.
The sponsor was none other than John David Norman.
Over time, Prison Dean began to suspect that his sponsor was exploiting young men and boys for sex and prostitution while masquerading as a gay support organization.
Upon reviewing the organization's literature, he discovered that several fellows were being reported as missing and had the word Well, that's creepy.
Prison Dean became increasingly worried, suspecting a link to the recent Houston murders.
He noted that John would become agitated whenever the murders were mentioned during phone conversations that he'd overhear.
Subsequently, he reached out to his contacts at the Advocate, who then recommended that he contact the FBI.
I mean, if it's a frequent topic of conversation, that alone is kind of suspicious.
Right.
But both Rob Shivers and the FBI concluded that the files marked kill were not to be taken literally.
Rather, they were a publishing term indicating the disposal of outdated materials.
And upon receiving this information, the police acted swiftly.
Prompted by the ongoing investigation into the Houston murders and conducted a raid on John's apartment at 3716 Cole Avenue based on the information Brizendine provided.
During the raid, they confiscated booklets labeled International that contained photographs and contact details of teenage boys and young men along with 30,000 index cards listing between 50,000 and 100,000 clients across 35 U.S. states.
These cards had information such as the sexual preferences that each client preferred.
They also had the height of the boys, their race, their stature, color of hair, color of eyes, their weight, just all that stuff.
In May of 1977, Dallas Police Lieutenant Harold Hancock informed the Chicago Tribune that notable public figures and federal employees were included in Norman's client list.
Investigators forwarded the index cards of the State Department, a detail confirmed by State Department Counselor Matthew Nimitz.
Nimes indicated that the State Department disposed of the index cards after concluding that they were not relevant to any fraud case involving a passport.
Clearly a whitewash.
And Norman faced charges for marijuana possession, conspiracy to commit sodomy, and contributing to the delinquency of a mine.
The Odyssey Foundation targeted teenage boys and young men from bus stations, or those known to be homosexual.
These individuals, referred to as fellows, were photographed for booklets and trafficked to clients known as sponsors who paid for their companionship.
Let's see.
The Delta Project.
Immediately following his release in Dallas, John escaped to Homewood, Illinois, a suburb of Chicago, in late August or early September of 1973.
And under the alias Steve Gerwell, he resided with Charles Rayling, who was an Odyssey client from Homewood.
Previously, Norman had trafficked a 16-year-old boy from Independence, Missouri, to Rayling, who then, with the boy, traveled to Europe.
During his stay in Homewood, John sexually exploited at least ten teenage boys, first luring them with alcohol, showing them pornography, and engaging in sexual acts such as groping and oral copulation.
On October 31st, 1973, the Homewood Police received an anonymous tip alleging that Steve Gerwell was abusing boys.
Although Norman was out of town at that moment, the police managed to find Charles Railing, who aided in their investigation.
Like I said earlier, another 5,000 index cards were discovered.
And upon returning to Homewood on November 14th, Norman was apprehended and faced five charges of indecent liberties with a child and eight charges of contributing to the delinquency of a minor.
You'd think at some point you'd make a better effort to hide your index cards.
Dude, this guy, like, did not give a shit.
He was so open about everything.
Yeah, he's just so blatant.
Like, what the fuck?
It's like, oh yeah, what's that?
Oh yeah, that's my porn clients that I do legal dealings with, you know.
Federal employees, you know, government officials, uh-huh.
Yeah, it's like people on this list are the kind of people who nail me for selling this list, so I feel pretty confident.
Yep.
And in the spring of 1976, while awaiting trial for the Homewood Crimes, John was released from Cook County Jail on a $36,000 bail provided by an unidentified individual from California.
By December of 1976, he received a four-year prison sentence and was transferred to Pontiac Correctional Center.
Prior to his bail release, Norman initiated the Delta Project and started a newsletter entitled Hermes.
Talk about world's most suspicious good Samaritan.
No shit.
Let me just help you bail you out, buddy.
36 G's, 1976.
That's got to be over $100,000 today.
I mean, I always ask the question when they're talking about that.
Are they talking about the retainer bail, the retainer bond, or are they talking about $3,600 on that?
The 10%?
$3,600 on that.
Well, I mean, that's still a lot of money to just give somebody, to get them out of jail for this.
That is true.
Yeah, I don't know.
Sometimes people, like...
The interchangeable use bail and bond, and they don't know the difference.
But the bond is like the actual amount set, and then the bail is what you pay, which is usually 10% of that bond.
Well, that's what I always ask, because I always see the term bail and bond used interchangeably, so I never really know what they're referencing in this story.
Because I feel like $36,000...
Bond is pretty darn low, but $36,000 bail seems pretty right.
Right.
Yeah, who knows?
Who knows?
I think it's probably that $36,000 was the actual bond amount, so they probably paid $3,600.
Whatever it would be.
Which is still a lot of money.
It's still a lot of money.
1976, fuck yeah.
From within Cook County Jail, he distributed three editions of the newsletter using the facility's printing press, asserting that the Delta Project's purpose was to, quote, You're literally in prison for exploiting them.
So ridiculous.
He also claimed that Delta dorms were being established nationwide, each housing to four cadets supervised by a Don.
Law enforcement suggested that these cadets were underage male prostitutes recruited from Chicago.
In a May 1977 interview with the Tribune, John refuted the notion that Project Delta had any sexual implications and stated that he had sent the newsletter to over 7,000 recipients.
At that time, police reported that the newsletter had 5,000 subscribers and generated more than $300,000 annually.
My first thought is, if I was that interviewer, I'd be like, really?
Is one of your clients willing to come on here and explain what kind of education they've received from your services, sir?
Since it's just an informational pamphlet, I'm sure somebody will come and talk about what they've learned from reading your publication.
I'm sure there'll be a line out the door if people want to talk about that, right?
Children involved in sexual acts with adults, but yeah, he's saying there's nothing sexual about these.
These are strictly informational, and yeah, my automatic thing would be like, yeah, you care to get somebody to actually commit to that claim?
Put their face out there?
No, I don't think so.
No.
In the autumn of 1977, Johnny Boy Norman was granted parole but was subsequently arrested in Chicago in June 1978 for engaging in sexual acts with two minors from a local foster home and for taking photographs of the acts.
One of the minors reported to investigators that Norman was attempting to sell him to a client, stating that he was merely waiting for his plane ticket following his release from prison.
Norman would re-establish the Delta Project, now known as the Creative Corps and MC Publications, operating it from his apartment at 685-1.5 West Wrightwood Avenue, and allegedly sending photographs of the boys to a don in Canada.
All in all, it is said that John Norman formed more than 30 different organizations and some 25 different publications devoted to human trafficking and sexual exploitation of teenage boys.
That's a lot of publications.
During a raid on the apartment, authorities discovered between 20,000 and 100,000 pink index cards containing the names of God only knows how many politicians, police, professors, teachers, paramedics, lawyers, judges, pediatricians, car salesmen, dentists, city planners, preachers, priests, church attendees, mailmen, milkmen, Jehovah's Witnesses, daycare workers, gas station attendants, ayatollahs, video store owners, babysitters, rabbis, drug dealers, gamblers, firemen, aunts, and uncles.
Everybody.
Plumbers.
But no anime viewers.
We're safe.
And then there's Handy Andy in Pennsylvania.
So from October 1983 to May 1984, John created and distributed a child porn magazine titled Handy Andy out of his residence and a nearby motel room in Aspers, Pennsylvania.
He took advantage of at least...
20 local teenage boys, luring them over to his place with jokes and alcohol, and once they were intoxicated and easier to control, John would begin photographing them in various sexual acts.
Following a raid on his home on May 31st, 1984, John fled to Pennsylvania, or John fled from Pennsylvania, but was apprehended in Bolingbrook, Illinois, in October 1984.
After being released on bail in March 1985, he once again escaped custody.
It would be around two more years before John was recaptured again in August 1987 over in Urbana, Illinois, and received a six-year prison sentence for offenses committed in that state.
Subsequently, he was extradited back to Pennsylvania, where he was sentenced to 18 to 36 months in prison for charges related to Handy Andy.
A news report from 1986 highlighted that Norman was wanted in five different states.
Just to emphasize how absolutely absurd this is, I've actually heard of people who fled from sentencing that got upwards of 15 years of enhancement.
This is a joke.
Such a joke.
Just for fleeing from custody, like escaping custody or escaping the punishment.
Boom, 15 years for fleeing.
And this guy got, what, six years?
After escaping prison elsewhere, they're just like, you know, we won't go back to that.
Let's just charge you with the new things you did.
Yeah.
Dude, they were just so...
I don't even know how to even put that in words.
How many times did this guy get in first offense levels of charges here?
It's like you have 84 first offenses in a row.
It's absolutely absurd.
Alright, so we'll get to some later crimes here, and then I think we'll have to call this End of part one, and we'll pick up part two probably later this week, or later next week.
I don't know.
All I know is I will be going to Bannock this weekend, Bannock Ghost Town in Montana, and I'm going to be doing some awesome ghost hunting there.
So I think...
I guess we can wait two weeks from now to do an episode on Bannock, and we'll pick this one up next Sunday.
Yeah, or we could do this one.
How does that sound?
Sounds good.
Or we can do this one Sunday and episode Wednesday if we can pull that off.
Yeah, we'll figure it out.
So we'll finish up here.
Some of his later crimes, some of Johnny D. Norman's later crimes.
In 1988, Johnny was found guilty of child molestation in Colorado and later convicted of distributing child pornography in California.
In both 1995 and 1998, after serving his sentence, he was released from a California prison in 1999, but was classified as a sexually violent predator and subsequently held indefinitely at Avescadero State Hospital.
Eventually, he was released to the small community of Boulevard, California, under stringent conditions.
However...
On February 2nd, 2009, he breached those conditions by providing a note with his contact details to a 19-year-old grocery store employee begging groceries.
What I don't understand there is the dude was… So his condition is not to hook up with anybody because it's just like you're… You're just such a straight-up predator.
You're just not allowed to date, period.
You can't do anything with anybody, adult or child otherwise.
Yeah, for sure.
He's fucking 19 years old.
No one should be allowed around you alone, period.
Nothing that involves aloneness should happen with you.
Right.
And so as a result, in March of 2009, he was returned to state custody, this time at Kotalinga State Hospital, where he would pass away in 2011.
So yeah, next week, or let's see, what day is it right now?
It's Tuesday.
So ladies and gentlemen, we're going to get into possible connections to Dean Corll and John Wayne Gacy.
And just so much shit.
You guys can't miss it.
We'll get this up and out there for you guys to hear.
But part two is going to be nuts.
Nuts.
Like part one is whatever, you know, we kind of laid down some groundwork here.
But part two, we're going to get some crazy, crazy fucking connections.
Great news.
It's going to blow you out of the water.
It gets worse.
It gets so much worse.
I mean, come on.
I know y 'all had the grim fascination.
Dude, for some reason, people love the child porn episodes.
It's horrific shit.
It's a train wreck.
And it's really fascinating to people.
The level of collusion that is required to have all this go on and nobody get caught.
Exactly.
Because it's so much of this.
This guy's publishing this crap while in prison for the crime of publishing this crap.
Dude, he's protected from up on high.
Like, you know, you hear about, like, drug dealers smuggling in phones.
Like, this dude wouldn't have needed to smuggle in phones.
They'd just be like, you need to call a client, the phone's over there.
You can use the police line if the friggin' jail phone's occupied.
Oh, shit.
Here, just use my phone.
Here, right here.
Yeah, here, I got a phone with me.
Here, just use my...
Yeah, I was about to say, if this dude was a drug lord, they would be giving him their phones and being like, oh, you need to make a deal?
Here you go.
Hook some meth up.
So I think this guy was protected for a really long time until they realized, dude, he's just out of control.
We've got to put him away.
Yeah, he strikes me as one of those burned asset types where he just effectively went a little too far and they just thought, okay, you're starting to make this about you when you should have known this is about us and the horrible things we're doing.
Yeah.
Yeah, a little too far.
Yeah, as a rule, as a supervillain, never make it about you until you have the volcano lair.
Exactly.
You need that first, but your minions can't know it's about you yet.
So yeah, we're gonna get in connections with Franklin Scandal, White House Cowboys.
Dude, it's gonna get ugly here.
Oh, yeah.
Fuck, dude.
Crazy shit.
You guys will not want to miss it.
Jack Ruby is connected to some of this shit, dude.
It's crazy.
Oh, that's an interesting one there.
Yeah.
It's very interesting.
So we'll get to that next week.
Oh, Michael Aquino as well.
Johnny Gosch.
The Ramsey.
JonBenet Ramsey.
Connections run deep.
So come back.
To be crass, sounds like he shot more than just Oswald.
Yep.
Yep.
So with that said, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for tuning in.
