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Sept. 22, 2023 - Project Camelot

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ELLA LEBAIN: AUTHOR: SITCHIN, NIBIRU, AND ETS

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	Hi, everyone. everyone.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy to be here today.
	I was going to say grateful.
	I don't know where that came from.
	But yeah, grateful to be alive at this really momentous time in our existence.
	Anyway, it's great to be here.
	So I have Ella Labane with me, and she is a prolific author, and she is an investigator, I think scholar, to some degree.
	If you hang on here, I've lost my place.
	So just one second.
	So she's a renowned biblical scholar and longtime UFO alien researcher, and she is going to talk about who's who within the extraterrestrial and biblical realms.
	She can unravel the end times prophecies And reveals true origins behind Star Wars, Star Trek, and shed some insight into the relationship between Disclosure and Israel.
	And her bio goes on from there.
	So welcome, Ella.
	It's great to have you, as I say.
	And what I'd like to do is have you maybe give a little of your background in your own words, and then we'll kind of launch into stuff.
	Yes, thank you for having me, Carrie.
	It's good to be here.
	And yes, well, I've been an experiencer since the age of two.
	I was abducted out of my crib and my parents used to talk about it because they used to find me upside down with nosebleeds.
	So it was one of those memories that I grew up with I never forgot and I didn't understand anything until I was much older and I started searching.
	Um, and then connected dots.
	So, um, it took me years to kind of get free of all of that.
	And, um, my, uh, long story short, my, my mother died when I was six.
	Um, my father remarried a Jewish divorcee with three daughters.
	I became a real life Cinderella archetype and left home at the age of 15.
	They sent me to Israel.
	to get an education and I had a lot of supernatural experiences there and raised Jewish, you know, went through all the biblical teachings, couldn't pass, couldn't matriculate without Bible and Hebrew linguistics and Hebrew language and then
	Right after my graduation in July of 1979 in Sedebo Care, which was attached to the Ben-Gurion University.
	It was called the Biological Research Center of the Negev.
	Three o'clock in the afternoon, broad daylight, you know, 95 degrees heat.
	I'm wide awake and I see this man walk out of the light of the sun.
	And he told me, he just said these words, I am the Messiah, follow me.
	So I was gobsmacked and tried to figure it all out from that point.
	And that began my journey, the researching and the connecting dots and what it all meant.
	Obviously, I was raised Jewish and Jews are not supposed to believe in Jesus, but his name is Yeshua.
	He wasn't called Jesus when he walked the earth.
	In fact, that name didn't even surface until the 1700s.
	The first Bible, the first King James Bible that was published in 1611, didn't even have that name in it.
	It was Iesus, which was the Greek and the Latin.
	And the letter J was added to the English in the 1700s.
	So then they started calling him Jesus.
	So, but to me, he was Yeshua.
	And so, you know, one thing led to another.
	I ended up in South Africa.
	I was waiting on a visa and that's when I had that encounter.
	And then a month later, because I was there with my boyfriend and I was living in Cape Town, and then all these things started happening.
	So I spent two years in South Africa right before the end of apartheid.
	So my work has a lot to do with the alien presence, lancing the boils of racism and antisemitism and what its causes are.
	So just to cut to the chase, I'm pointing those fingers to the alien presence because they have created religions, which has caused a lot of divisions.
	The Life of Yeshua was about separating the religious spirit from the Holy Spirit, also known as the Great Spirit in Native American law.
	I've connected dots to the Lost Tribes of Israel and where they ended up around the planet and how one of the Lost Tribes ended up here in America.
	And the Cherokee Tribe, which was very interesting to me, that they, through oral tradition, continued speaking the name Okay, now you made a statement that I'm not sure I understood what you were trying to say and otherwise you might take issue with it.
	come together, I thought, well, there must be something to this.
	And then I move forward from there.
	And all this is published in my books.
	Okay.
	Now you made a statement that I'm not sure I understood what you were trying to say, and otherwise you might take issue with it.
	So I wanted to get back to it.
	And you said that Yeshua or Jesus is alive is connected to creating religion out of spirituality, spirituality.
	Something of that, on that note.
	Do you want to rephrase that, or what are you trying to say?
	Yes.
	No, it wasn't him.
	There's an alien presence on this planet that goes way back to The times of Atlantis and Lemuria, and they have been fighting over control and power for this planet.
	And one of the ways that they do that is what I call a Machiavellian agenda.
	And Machiavellian is a political term that has to do with divide and conquer.
	So, they find psychological ways and religious ways.
	Religion is one of the psychological warfares, and the religious spirit is separate, on the other side of what we call the Holy Spirit, or the Great Spirit, or the Spirit of Truth, the Spirit of Love, the Spirit of Light.
	So that is over here in this column.
	The religious spirit is over here in this column.
	And they have created a religious spirit to counterfeit the true Holy Spirit, Spirit of Christ, Spirit of Truth.
	Okay, so that's good.
	Yeah, and I agree with that.
	Just to get, you're also, you met Zacharias Sitchin, you knew him, and you also have become something of a, I don't know, expert researcher, I don't know if you call yourself a researcher or whatever, into his work and specifically Nibiru.
	Yes, because you have written a book about this and you sent me part of that book and I read some of it and you know in Camelot we are very familiar with all of this so and my audience is also very familiar with this language and they're very familiar with the diabolical agenda of we call them the Illuminati and they do come from the time of Atlantis
	And even before so that's all good and and they're going to understand you perfectly in that regard.
	So what I you know, because you you cover and you know, maybe we can have you back and we can go into different areas because obviously these are big subjects and I want to make sure that we can get sort of the essence of where you're at.
	And what you're trying to tell people or talk about and then so that they can do some further research and maybe read your books and so on so forth.
	So.
	If you take sort of an overview of your books and your emphasis, I know that we could talk about your own kind of... You say you've had a lot of exposure to ETs, for example, and I think that would interest my audience.
	So we could go down that road for a short time.
	Then what I'd like to do is kind of transition over to the Sitchin-Nabiru story, because that is rather pertinent at the moment, because I have some I have a whistleblower, Richard Allen Miller, who's a physicist who's worked for Navy Intelligence, and I published this interview that I did with him over a year ago, and now Cliff High and Dick Allgaier are coming out with some similar information around the same time period.
	These are predictions, and so that does kind of dovetail with the Nibiru story.
	So, as an overview, do you think that you could start out with some of your ET interactions And go through some short anecdotal information so people get a sort of fix on where you're coming from in that regard.
	And then let's make a transition to talking about Sitchin and Nibiru.
	Okay, sure.
	Well, as an abductee, okay, so we called it abductees for many years and then in the 90s it was changed to experiencer, but I had experiences with gray aliens, little four and a half foot, with, you know, white, almost looked like Casper the Friendly Ghost, with the big
	Black round eyes, not the almond-shaped eyes.
	I was used in the alien hybridization program as an incubator for most of my menstrual life.
	And it took me a long time to sort of get free of that.
	Clear myself so that I could have a human baby without having a miscarriage.
	So I had lots of miscarriages and I woke up to what was happening in 1995 when I had a miscarriage.
	I gave this story to UFO Witness.
	I published it last year.
	It was Season 2, Episode 5, if anyone's interested.
	So, long story short, I went to sleep thinking that I was, you know, getting ready for my monthly, took an ibuprofen, went to sleep, woke up and saw these two little white grey beings at the edge of my bed with the round black eyes.
	I felt all crampy and I went to the bathroom and something came out of me and I never saw anything like that in my life.
	So, I called my husband and then I called the emergency room and they told me to, you know, scoop everything up in a Ziploc bag, bring it.
	We went straight to the emergency room, gave them everything.
	They diagnosed me, tested this, tested that, came back and said that I had had a miscarriage.
	And everything was intact.
	They thought it was very unusual because usually when women have miscarriages, they have to go through D&Cs, and I didn't.
	They said everything came out perfectly intact.
	The only thing missing was the fetus.
	Okay.
	So, I went home, you know, blubbering with hormonal, you know, stuff, which happens afterwards.
	Lying on my couch in the middle of the day, all these things always happen in broad daylight, which was the next day, and I'm like, why is this happening?
	What happened?
	What did we do wrong?
	Etc.
	And nothing.
	And then at three, around three o'clock in the afternoon, I'm lying there on the couch and I see this being show up at the end of my couch, white, complete white hair, wispy, big blue eyes, okay, gaunt face, pointy chin, you know, very sort of strikingly beautiful, and said to me, thank you.
	You're going to be okay.
	It's all right.
	We're the reason that this happened.
	Okay?
	So that was my big awakening, that she was a hybrid, probably one that was connected to me, why she came over to me in such a loving way.
	And that's when I realized that, you know, these abductions were, you know, that's what was going on with me.
	So, after that, which, you know, sort of woke me up to what was happening, I started having these dreams, and they were later called wise baby dreams, where they would take me, hand me this fetus, okay, with this
	really big head in this little fetus body and have me swaddle it and put it in a bassinet and take it out of the bassinet and cuddle it and you know and so for years I was abducted just to do that, okay?
	Because those were my dreams.
	And then I realized after talking to people that I wasn't alone in this, and that this was part of what I call the alien hybridization program.
	And they're able to take sperm from a man, eggs from a woman, put them together, put their own DNA into it, and then implant the whole thing into a separate woman all together.
	So, you know, that's just an FYI about, you know, it's like, it's not, doesn't really belong to me.
	They're theirs.
	I was just used as an incubator and a nurturer, I guess, because they would abduct me to cuddle these babies.
	Okay, now, just can I stop you right there?
	Because, you know, you say you followed my work, so you will know that I've interviewed lots of abductees, contactees, etc.
	And that I myself am a contactee.
	Yes.
	Since a young age.
	So, I had some similar things that I haven't really talked about publicly, because I'm not usually the subject in this way of my interviews.
	But, I can say that there is a little bit of an issue with the fact that you think the children were implanted into other women and not you, and that they're not your babies.
	So, in some cases, they will be yours.
	Did you not have any experiences in which you felt that they were related to you?
	Well, actually, just the opposite of what you said.
	I do feel, that's what I felt for a long time, that they were mine because I was seeing, like, my husband's face on them.
	That it was, like, belonged to him.
	It was mine.
	But I learned later that they can mix and match and do things.
	That it wasn't all mine, that I was being used as an incubator from time to time.
	And this is just what they do, and this was just based on my research talking to others who have been through this.
	So it's not like a hard and fast rule, like it's this or it's that.
	Alright, fine.
	So just to clarify that.
	Yeah.
	Okay, no worries, and thank you for sharing all of that.
	Now... You're welcome.
	I think you, you know, this may be not completely accurate, but I think I saw a list of all the different kinds of aliens you have interacted with that are not in this main, but in some other kinds of, and I'm interested in that, because I've also met other kinds of aliens, and so I'm curious, which ones have you met that you recall interacting with?
	Yes.
	Well, you know, after those initial abductee experiences, I think that it opened me up to that realm that they exist in.
	And I have seen the lizard men, and one of them actually was very luminous, okay?
	Almost like it was glowing.
	Like, not your typical reptile, but definitely scaly skin, lizard skin, but like blue, green, very sort of iridescent looking.
	So I was attracted to that just because of its coloring and what it looked like and it had this glow to it.
	And that's what sort of inspired me to write what I wrote in my first book about them because they are a multi-layered race of serpents, okay, if you want to categorize.
	I mean, you know, we have to use words to describe things.
	So, you know, in terms of anthropology, social science, you know, they're reptilians, or they're of the serpent race, but they're not all necessarily the same.
	Like the greys, you know, there's like 35 different species of greys.
	At least.
	Yes, at least that we know of.
	Okay, now, can I just stop you there for one second because people who are listening to this may want to see where your books are.
	So, are they on Amazon.com or is it somewhere else?
	Yes, my books are available on all the Amazon channels worldwide and my website, Who's Who in the Cosmic Zoo dot com.
	Okay, great.
	Just to get that out of the way so that people can, in case they're, you know, looking around to see where your books are.
	Great.
	So, okay, so you met a quasi-reptilian with a blue glow, and then what happened?
	Any other, or did you have a prolonged relationship of talking with this being, or what was your interactions, or did you have other ones that you met?
	Yes, well I did have a little bit of an ongoing thing and it inspired me to adopt a green iguana.
	So I did with my daughter, she was seven years old, and we raised this green iguana that was the size of our hand and ended up to be the size of an alligator, four and a half feet long.
	And his hand is on the book cover of my first book, Who's Who in the Cosmic Zoo.
	So that's the hand that's on the cover.
	It's Sephira, my green iguana, and that sort of coincided with these experiences that I was having with this luminous serpent being who was sort of like You know, showing me stuff, discerning about the differences between these sides of the reptilians.
	So like, and that's why I have it delineated in my book about this kingdom.
	So I basically go into the clash of two kingdoms and how the reptilian, draconian kingdom, which exists here inside the Earth, and they have been for a long time, and also on the Moon and Mars and perhaps even other planets, And how they've been fighting for control and some of the serpent races aren't all on the same side.
	So that spawned that whole piece in the book.
	And then I started to see the, you know, when I met my husband who is from England, he's very sort of Nordic looking.
	That's when I started to see these human blonde, not all blonde, some of them had like brown hair, but they were human.
	They wore blue suits.
	They had very tight, you know, space, you know, like spandex looking things and they would show up.
	When I met my husband, Um, I met him on a ship, and when I say that, people think spaceship, and maybe that could have been, you know, but I met him on a cruise ship, and right after that, I had this experience where they, and I was staying in a hotel, like, you know, six stories high, and they came in through the window, like, sort of, like, hovered over my bed.
	I heard this, like, drum sound, like, it was like this, like an x-ray machine kind of opened up, Felt like they put all this light on me, like they took a picture, and they were all human, okay?
	They were, you know, just human.
	Some had blonde, some had brown, they all wore blue.
	And I felt like, and then it ended just like that, like as quick as it started, as quick as it ended, and then I felt like they were coming to check me out.
	I felt like I was being examined and x-rayed and then they left and I felt like it had something to do with my husband because I had never seen them before.
	Okay, can you be a little more explicit, and sorry we're flipping around here, but I was trying to share my screen and take people to Amazon, but we're having, no, we're having some weird technical issues, actually, that this can happen.
	There's a solar storm going on right now, so that's probably when you're talking to About reptilians, they tend to check in and try to mess with stuff.
	I guess I lost the trail because I don't understand.
	What are you trying to say about your husband or his relationship with these beings?
	Well, I found out later, I mean, we've been together 33 years now.
	So I mean, there's a lot about him that I now know that I didn't then.
	But I found out that, you know, he also was an experiencer since he was a very young child, and they used to find him sleepwalking, you know, hanging out the window, you know, and he had experiences too.
	So I think My, you know, I know what I know, what I don't know, I don't know, you know?
	So, uh, here's what I know, that I think that those beings were connected to him, okay?
	And he, he comes from England, so, uh, you know, like, for sake of language, we can just call them the Nordics, okay?
	The, you know, or the Anglo-Saxons, or, you know, which is where we get all this language from, because they came in You know, and that's where we get, you know, even angels, you know, Anglo, angel, it's just one letter off.
	So this is how our language got created, because they came to Earth.
	And I was also told that the English language came from them, that they brought English to Earth, okay?
	Okay, you think that the Nordics brought English to Earth?
	The Anglo-Saxons, specifically.
	So, you know, we call them Nordics or Blondes, the Blonde Race, or the Aryans even.
	There's an Aryan, you know, and these people be very similar to what we were just discussing about the Serpent Race and the Reptilians and how they have They're multi-layered, and they're not all together, they're not all united.
	There's factions that are divided against themselves, just like us.
	You know, on Earth.
	I mean, us Earth humans, we're not all on the same page.
	And I think that there's that attached to these beings as well.
	And I think that they come from, there's a connection to the star system, Orion.
	Okay, and and how there were these wars and explosions, and I was told this is in my book, you know that one of the explosions that happened in the Orion Nebula.
	Okay, actually ended up.
	And this could all be pareidolia, okay, I'm not like stuck on it, I'm just reporting what I was told, that the word God, G-O-D, you can see in the nebula, okay, which was sort of like the remnant leftover of this like ancient war.
	Anyway, they came to Earth and they brought their language, okay?
	And that's English.
	Okay, now before we get a little too deep into that, I want to clarify a couple things.
	So you're calling them Nordics.
	Some people would call them Pleiadian.
	Are you familiar with the, you know, that there are various humanoid races out there?
	And some are called Nordics, some are called Pleiadians.
	They're not necessarily the same group.
	There's also Belusians.
	There's many, many humanoid races, but the ones you think were associated, at least with your husband, are what you would refer to as the Nordics, right?
	Tall, blonde, Yes, and brown hair.
	They're not all blonde, but some of them have brown hair.
	Yes.
	Okay, fine.
	You know, I have witnesses that have talked about the English interaction with Nordics, and Nordics are also often in the English military.
	So, I get a lot of military stories, and they refer to them as Nordics.
	Okay.
	Yes, and just one more piece of clarity.
	Right.
	We call them human, not necessarily humanoid, because humanoid basically denotes that they, you know, are bipedal and they have, you know, two arms and two legs like greys.
	Greys are humanoid, but they're not human.
	These are humans.
	Okay, they look humans, they act like humans.
	Okay, I think that that would be, I mean, you know, we don't need to necessarily disagree on terminology, but I do have to say that saying something is a humanoid is actually more of a designation having to do with the human shape, you know, the head, the two arms, as you say, legs and so forth.
	However, at least my understanding is that these Nordics are not human.
	Okay, so human is actually unique to this planet.
	And other planets that may contain beings like us that are closer to us than, say, the Nordic race.
	So there is a distinction and, you know, that's how I happen to use that distinction when I talk about Nordics and Canadians because they are not human.
	Human is a very special designation and you may know that human is man of many colors.
	That's one of the, you know, Hugh men.
	So, so just saying that, and there's a very specific level of, you know, 3D going into 4D kind of designation there, and to do with also A spiritual journey, if you will.
	Absolutely, and I give all that in my books as well, because it's all about distinctions and discernments.
	But the Nordics have human faces, whereas the Greys don't.
	Of course, and the Greys, I mean, I would say the Greys have humanoid shapes, but I would not call them humanoid.
	So it's just a distinction, you know, just to You know, because I think that people listening to this could get a little confused as to what's what.
	And by the way, that's my dog.
	She's sleeping and she's...
	Well, that's okay.
	She's not growling in the background, but whatever she's doing, she's... So they don't think that I'm being invaded here by aliens.
	So, okay, so now to get back to this.
	So you had interactions with some Nordics that were related, you felt, to your husband in some form or fashion, in part because he's English.
	Can you... I mean, you brought that up, but what is the point of it?
	Is there a point behind that?
	Well, just because you asked me about the beings that I had... Okay, so nothing... Did anything stand out about your interactions with that race or anything?
	Just that it taught me that there was more than the greys doing these abductions because I felt like they came to check me out.
	I've also seen the little blue frogmen.
	I call them.
	They like, they have like this amphibian looking face.
	They look like frogs but they're like dark blue and they're really short.
	And they also, I've seen those in my experiences and in abductions and they seem to kind of like work between the two.
	So I'm, you know, I remember hearing, oh passion, like I heard that in my ear, almost like audible.
	And that's when I went and started connecting dots to this Machiavellian agenda of how they are using Earth humans, us guys, For for Lush.
	Now Lush is a term that was coined by the Monroe Institute, which literally means soul energy that that you can only get from Earth humans because Earth humans have souls.
	And I think it was Bob Lazar who also mentioned in his experiences and during his interviews that the aliens referred to us as containers.
	Okay, well, the aliens refer to us as containers.
	Not all aliens refer to us as containers.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Fair enough.
	But now to get back to the Monroe Institute, since you brought that up, I'm not completely convinced that that's where the term loose came from.
	And I also don't think that's fine.
	You know, I just want to, you know, clarify for my audience again, because when you make a statement, then they're going to have their reference point of reference.
	And I have also talked about a lot of these things.
	So I wanted to clarify that in terms of.
	Whether it's actually referring to soul energy, because actually the way it's used nowadays is that Loosh refers to the Oregon energy, in essence, that you get out of glands, the human's glands, and this is what is an aphrodisiac to the reptilians and other races.
	That feed on us.
	So just to say it's soul energy, I think is actually, it could have been started by, you know, Robert Monroe, but I think that would be wrong.
	I can't, honestly, Carrie, I cannot confirm or deny that.
	Yeah.
	It just has to do with the everyday use of that word so that we know we're on the same page and and you know what Robert Monroe supposedly said or didn't say about it may or may not be correct.
	That's all I'm bringing up and from my point of view nowadays when we refer to Loosh we are certainly not referring to solar energy where again we're returning we're talking about the glandular Soul energy is a whole different is actually outside the physical.
	also call it any energy it coming from our our glands so it's a more physical based uh idea soul soul energy is a whole different is actually outside the physical so you know it's not okay well um if you want i can unpack that a little bit more just for clarity sake because i mean you know words matter i've
	I'm using that word because it has been attached by researchers, who I quote in my book, that it's attached to both your glandulars and your soul energy.
	It's what we give off.
	So like hormones, for instance, like I have this whole thing about what I've been through and the hormonal changes that women go through and how they're feeding off of that.
	And as soon as I, you know, entered into menopause and finished with all of that, out of it and proud of it, because now I'm free of that crazy up and down, they've sort of like left me alone.
	Okay, so what you're saying about glandular, I think it's connected to hormones as well, particularly with women.
	Because when you bring up the word soul, there's an issue.
	And that gets into a spiritual discussion about physicality, the material as opposed to what is in essence soul.
	And that's a whole deep discussion we don't need to go to right now, maybe someday.
	I don't want there to be a confusion between the two.
	I think that would be incorrect.
	That's my point of view, and you can, you know, have your own point of view, obviously, and if you want to follow those researchers.
	I just think a lot of researchers kind of don't know what they're talking about, necessarily.
	Some things go beyond understanding, and this is one area where What aliens are feeding on, and not to say they can't try to feed on our souls, but that would be a much more elusive kind of non-physical, again, non-physical situation.
	Most of the aliens that try to feed on you, it's important, ...happen to only go as high as 4D, therefore they're not going into the non-physical realms.
	So they're not trying to feed on the non-physical realms, they're actually trying to feed on the physical realm.
	That's their focus.
	Okay, well, I'm gonna have to add to that and say there is another layer to it.
	Not that I disagree with you, that everything you said is right, but there is a non-physical aspect to this.
	And that is the body of my work about implants.
	And I think you and I had some exchange about that, that for years, people in our field, you know, the researchers were focused only on physical implants.
	And I have this whole other, you know, layer of it that goes into the etheric body, which is non-physical, that I was shown is where these etheric implants are put in during the abduction experience, during abductions, to which I call, some of them are called spiritual limitation devices.
	So, for instance... I think people are very familiar with this, okay?
	So, the audience is not naive to that, to implants in the spiritual realm and the other layers of the body, so to speak, of the many bodies that we have.
	So, these are also talked about a lot in Scientology, in case you're not aware of that.
	You aware of that?
	You know, a little bit.
	I don't follow Scientology, but I mean, I know... I'm not a fan of Scientology at all, but I just happen to have known people, for better or for worse, who were kind of steeped in this world.
	So a lot of people, just let me spit this out, a lot of people who have gotten exposed to the idea of implants that are non-physical actually either studied in Scientology or were inundated with that concept, mainly from Scientology.
	But it's also in spiritual books and so on and so forth.
	So it's known, generally speaking, but it's great to bring that up.
	But again, I think I would still differentiate that as well from the soul realm.
	But let's move on because this is very esoteric.
	I understand that.
	I'm just bringing that up because there are a lot of people that might be listening who had that exposure.
	But let's talk more, again, just trying to follow a kind of a chronology of a kind.
	Did you have any, so you said a couple of the races you've had interaction.
	Has there been any particular race besides those that you had any other interactions with that you want to highlight before we move on to the Nibiru side of things?
	Well, yes, human.
	Okay, so Yeshua is human and he represents the human vine, which I call it the human vine, like a tree.
	And that has to do with our ancestry, and there are human beings on other planets, okay?
	And he has spoken of that, and I have, you know, highlighted those words, which come straight out of the scripture and in my books, proving that What he said about life, human life, on other planets.
	So, when you understand Biblical speak, which is a lingo, and how things are spoken of in Bible speak, you can connect dots.
	For instance, the woman, you know, when they speak of a woman, it's the church.
	So, it's either the virgin or the whore.
	Which is either the pure, the bride, which is the pure church, or the whore, which is the false church.
	So like, for instance, in the Book of Revelation, it's referred to as the Whore of Babylon.
	Okay, and that has to do with the ancient Babylonian religion, which now we can dovetail into Sitchin, which goes back to the Anunnaki who established the ancient Mesopotamian religions and Babylonian religions.
	So, the Babylonian religions, for the most part, were transported, or absorbed, or adopted by the Roman Empire.
	So, the Vatican, which we call today is the Vatican, but 2,000 years ago it wasn't called that, it was just the Church of Rome, and they basically practiced the Babylonian religion.
	They worshipped Mithras, they worshipped Semiramis, who was the mother of Mithras, And all this goes back to the... Well, they also worship, actually, what?
	Gets reduced down to Satanism, to Lucifer, to Baal, and all of that.
	So, you know, and the God of Sacrifice, and all of this, and a benediction of God.
	Okay, so there's a whole, that whole kind of side of things that gets into Khazarian Mafia, etc, etc.
	So this is, you know, gets very involved.
	Yes, well, it's kind of, you know, it's pretty easy for history, for historians to connect these dots because it's established.
	It's written in stone even.
	So, and that's where Sitchin came in, okay?
	He translated and interpreted And he, as far as I know, he was the first to carve and pioneer this work.
	And you know, when it comes to research, my outlook is similar to, you know, a baton race.
	Okay, you know when people run around and they pass the baton on to the next person.
	So, research is something that is carved out and started, not necessarily finished.
	So what he carved out and pioneered for us, It helped us, collectively, to go even further, okay?
	And to connect those dots, which is what I've done, to the prophecies.
	Okay, so slow down a little bit and that's great.
	Because I want people to realize that you did meet him and then you kind of studied under him, if I understand it correctly.
	So can you talk a little bit about that before we get into exactly how much of his work you follow and what direction you've taken it?
	So let's start with how you maybe met him and his influence on your work.
	Yes, well I met him May 27th of 1995 in Washington DC at a one-of-a-kind conference called When Cosmic Cultures Meet and this was put on by the Rockefeller Foundation and I was invited because at that time, that's when I was waking up, 1995 to all these things.
	I had had my own experience.
	I saw a USO come out of the Gulf of Mexico.
	And, you know, I had people around me that sort of were leading me in this direction.
	I thought I wanted to be a journalist or a reporter and I ended up being a researcher.
	So that's why I was there.
	And I was doing interviews and so I had asked him, he was one of the keynote speakers actually, and I asked him for an interview and he was very kind and said yes and we sat down very sort of informally and you know and with him and his wife Reena.
	And we just, you know, connected and became friends.
	We have a shared heritage.
	We talked all about Israel.
	And of course, you know, I was interested in his work and I was reading Genesis Revisited and The Twelfth Planet.
	These were my first two books that I read that were penned by Sitchin.
	And then, of course, after that, I have all of his books.
	But then we became friends, we stayed in touch.
	I moved to Colorado two years later, well a year and a half later, and he came here three times to do lectures.
	So I saw him and I joined his international Bible study group, which you know was done through email.
	And yeah, so that's my Relationship with him.
	Okay, now you got really, I don't know what the word would be, but you seem to, you wrote a book about Nibiru and you seem to be, at least when you first spoke with me, it sounded like you were really on sort of a quest to out this information because the whole Nibiru thing has been fraught with
	Conflict and disagreement as to what it is.
	I did tell you a little bit, very vaguely, about my immersion in this world.
	of being in Project Camelot and investigating and talking to various people, and they have vastly different impressions about Nibiru, the brown dwarf that it circulates around with other planets and so on and so forth, and I'm not sure where you stand on all of that.
	And I also don't know how closely aligned you consider yourself to be, you know, having not read your whole book, with Sitchin.
	Do you want to present, maybe as briefly as possible, like your kind of concept of this, and if you disagree with Sitchin anywhere, tell us, you know, that kind of thing.
	Yes, well those are, that's a really great question, Carrie.
	So in my first book, on the conclusion chapter, concluding words chapter, I actually let this out, because this is what I felt like I had to set the record straight.
	So, a lot of people took away from Sitchin's material.
	They misinterpreted, misunderstood, and maybe he even miscommunicated some things, okay, about the creation of humans on Earth.
	Okay?
	And what came out of that was that we were created by the Anunnaki.
	Okay?
	When they came to Earth and they did their first in vitro fertilization and put humans in a little clay thing and incubated humans with Earth women.
	I mean, that's pretty much what's in his material.
	And that they were our creators.
	So, of course, this became a question because he was Jewish, he was raised Jewish, he was born in Palestine before it became Israel, and the history that he was pointing to was when the Anunnaki came to Earth.
	So, my clarity that I have published about this is that They couldn't have, and this is where you could say I disagree, whatever, they couldn't have created us because humans were on the planet before they came, okay?
	So that's what I have in book one on my conclusion.
	However, what they did do, absolutely, was genetically downgrade us and I call it a downgrade so this is a little different than what maybe ancient alien enthusiasts think that oh that the aliens came and they're the missing link and they helped us evolve okay so I'm on the opposite and this is the stuff I prove and unpack in my book series is that
	Okay, so let's go back to Atlantis.
	Atlantis is when humans had this very advanced, wonderful civilization.
	I mean, if anybody sees the movie Aquaman, there's a lot of truth in that, okay?
	And that's my truth is stranger than fiction moniker, okay?
	And the Bible, okay, in the book of Genesis, which is only a brief synopsis of the rejected texts, the Jewish, there was about a hundred rejected Jewish books that were considered scripture that the Church of Rome Rejected, deleted from the Bible canon.
	So that's because they don't want us to have that part of the story.
	But this is a very important piece of this story, which is why in my book I call, which I've adopted from Sitchin, the evidemic race.
	Because Adam and Eve were prototypes of a next generation of humans that existed on the Earth after the floods of Atlantis.
	So, you and I talked about this in our emails, that, so, where it is in the Bible is Genesis 1-1, okay?
	Starts off right after the floods of Atlantis, okay?
	So, a lot of Christians think, oh, you know, that was the beginning.
	No, that was the next phase, okay?
	So, this is why I don't agree that the Anunnaki created us.
	But they absolutely genetically modified, manipulated, and what I say, downgraded.
	And here's why I say downgraded, because it's called The Lost Books of Adam and Eve, which I recommend everybody to go look it up.
	You can download it on Amazon, okay?
	They're considered apocryphal books, you know, because they're not part of the Bible canon, but in terms of Jewish literature, they're definitely a piece.
	And in those books, it tells the whole story, okay, of the interaction between the Lord, Adam and Eve, angels, and the serpent, okay?
	And the serpent, before he became cursed, because the Book of Genesis talks about the creation story, and then, you know, everybody blames the woman, which is We can talk about that and how the misogyny got in, okay?
	But it was way more than a forbidden fruit.
	There were multiple interactions, multiple dramas, where this serpent bipedal being wanted to basically destroy Adam and Eve, because God put them on the Earth, because after Atlantis, And just for sake of names and language, I'm going to call it Lucifer, okay?
	Lucifer-Satan, just so that people can have an identity of who that is.
	Now, in the institution's material from the Sumerian, he spoke a lot about Marduk, okay?
	So, we can Maybe hypothesize that Marduk and Lucifer are connected.
	Some people think Enki is Lucifer, but Marduk was the nephew of Enki.
	He was the son of Enlil.
	He went against both of them.
	He went against Enlil, and he went against his father and his uncle.
	Because he wanted to take over.
	He was known as the Lord of Nibiru, and that's why they named the planet Mars after him, which is after Marduk, and he wanted to be the Lord of the Earth.
	Okay, so let's just, for conversation's sake, suffice to say that this is all kind of the same group of beings, or the same family, or whatever.
	And they're on the earth after the Lord destroyed everything with the floods, okay?
	And it says in the Bible that the floods didn't only come from the rains, It came from inside the earth.
	That he called up the waters from inside the earth to come up.
	And then it rained for 40 days.
	But that's Noah's Flood.
	So we can deduce that the Atlantean floods were very similar.
	That it came from inside.
	Because everything got destroyed, like, in a day.
	Okay?
	I have a belief that the city of Atlantis didn't sink.
	It took off.
	Okay, it was a mothership and it's it left and what was left around it.
	Okay, the the rest of the civilizations the rest that was built on the planet.
	Absolutely did sink.
	So, the war that went on, okay, the reason for the sinking, according to Plato and according to the records that we have, is that they were mixing and matching, okay, different genetic species, and that went against the laws of creation.
	Okay, so that's why the Creator God, okay, stepped in and said, no, we can't have this.
	This is wrong, and destroyed it all, and started all over again with the evidemic race.
	The books of Adam and Eve talk about, and it also says this in Genesis, that Adam and Eve walked with the Lord in the Garden of Eden, which is a place in Mesopotamia, and they had everything.
	They walked in their glory body.
	So like these days, you know, we talk about the light body.
	Well, the light body, the glory body, we can all agree that maybe it's the same thing, okay?
	And they had it all.
	They had this close relationship with the Creator God, okay?
	They were happy, and then the serpent comes in and tries to derail them.
	And tries to, you know, get them to sin and, you know, go against the Lord.
	And they did, because what did they know?
	And they followed after the knowledge.
	And one thing, and it wasn't just the apple, according to the Adam and Eve story.
	He tried to destroy them multiple times.
	He led them up to a cave, he started a fire so that they would burn, and the Lord sent angels to save them.
	The Lord sent angels every single time to save them.
	Okay, so that to me was like an important piece of the relationship that we have on Earth between God, the angelic realm, and humans.
	Okay, and how he has this commitment to us.
	Okay, so then back to Genesis where he doles out These curses, okay?
	They were cursed.
	The earth was cursed.
	The man was cursed with labor and toil.
	The woman was cursed with, where it says, the pain of childbirth.
	And, you know, after going through what I've been through, I mean, people can have childbirth without pain.
	I think that was the pain of the hormonal cycle.
	That's the curse, how women have to go every month and go through all this, you know, ups and downs, and like we talked about the glandular, the loose, because why?
	And I write about this because I find this something to look at.
	It's like, you know, you can have two, three weeks, everything's going great in your life, and all of a sudden you're PMSing, and your whole life is, everything is drama.
	Why is that?
	Okay?
	There's something to that.
	And then it's connected to the moon.
	How the lunar cycle, which is the 28-29 day lunar cycle, is directly connected to the women's menstrual cycle.
	So these are not accidents.
	So basically, in a nutshell, okay, after he doled out these curses, I believe that the fall of humankind is the genetic downgrade.
	That Adam and Eve walked with all 12 strands of DNA.
	They had it all.
	And then this being who lays claim to the earth and doesn't want to give it up.
	And it says in the Bible, in the Bible canon that we have today, okay, so Satan is a Hebrew word which translates to adversary or rebel.
	We don't get the name.
	It's a title.
	We don't get the name of who Satan was or is, except once in the Bible, in the book of Isaiah, the Lord rebukes him and calls him Halel, okay?
	Which got mistranslated into the Latin as Lucifer, which doesn't even, like, match, okay?
	That is just, like, a huge mistranslation that Jerome, he was commissioned to rewrite The Bible in Latin.
	So when he came across that scripture, which is the only time in the Old Testament where the Lord rebukes this being for rebelling against him, because there's these five I wills.
	I will ascend above the Most High.
	I will, you know, be the God of this.
	And he is known, according to scripture, as the God of this world.
	Okay?
	The Prince of the Powers of the Air.
	And like I said, Satan is just a title, it's not a name, okay?
	And we can use that in our language and say, like, satanic rituals, these are all rebelling against God's plan, okay?
	Even when it comes to, you know, whether it's children or anything, any weird... Okay, now, I appreciate...
	What you're saying.
	Don't necessarily agree with it.
	I'd appreciate it.
	And what I'd like you to do, because you're talking about these particular books, these books of Adam and Eve, and what you kind of glossed over, didn't even talk about, is this idea that This being, call it, you know, call it, well, this snake being, in essence, who seduces Eve.
	Okay, so everything was wonderful.
	Together they were, you know, walking around with the Lord, so to speak, which I consider to be not the Lord, but the Anunnaki, but let's move along.
	And so, They were walking around, everything is fine, and then supposedly this being comes, interferes in their relationship in various ways that you said is more than one.
	But you never talked about the fact that she gets seduced by the snake being.
	So I think that that's an important ingredient.
	It's an important moment.
	So why don't you talk a little bit about your interpretation of that moment, And then maybe we can move a bit beyond this to a few more discussions.
	Yes, I agree.
	That is what happened.
	But it was a little bit more than just a seduction.
	It was an interaction and there's a lot of literature to back this up that it was also a rape.
	Okay, just like the story of the Nephilim and how the Sons of Heaven came to Earth to basically mate with Earth, or they took Earth women.
	I mean, they raped them, okay?
	I mean, that's basically what the story is.
	And created Nephilim out of that, meaning fallen ones.
	Nephal means to fall.
	It's also another word that people use for rejects or miscreants.
	And that was what caused the second flood, the floods of Noah, to happen.
	So we have two floods that were caused by the same problem, okay, which was going against the laws of creation, miscreation.
	Okay, so they They fell, okay, to earth.
	They lost their first estate in heaven.
	Okay, so they were, you know, what Christians today will call them fallen angels.
	But literally, they're fallen sons of heaven.
	So, we get the story in the books of Enoch, which are very detailed about them.
	They're actually named.
	In the books of Enoch, okay, there's 200 of them, and each one, they landed on Mount Hermon, and they took women, earth women, for themselves, and they taught humankind different things, like war, and weaponry, and even astrology, and herbs, and all of that, okay?
	This is all evidenced in the books of Enoch.
	So what I'm saying about what happened in the Garden of Eden when the curses got doled out was that the Anunnaki came to use Earth people, Earth humans, and create this slave race to serve them because they claim power and control over planet Earth.
	What they did, instead of, this is where the Sitchin stuff gets confused, they didn't create us, they genetically downgraded us from 12 strands of DNA to 2.
	Okay, so I have all this in my book that today's geneticists will look at our DNA and will see parts of it and go, hmm, that's junk.
	They call it junk DNA because they don't understand it, okay?
	But what it really is is disabled.
	Okay?
	So what I've done is I've connected the dot to the prophecies, which are the promises of the Creator God, to come and to return to Earth to restore all of creation.
	I mean, that's what it says.
	That he is promised to come and restore all of creation, restore us, restore the animals, okay?
	And it says that all of creation moans and groans for the redemption of the Lord, for this restoration, to come out of these curses, okay?
	Okay, and that is written about in The, not in the old Bible, but in the new version of the Bible, right?
	Both.
	Both?
	Uh-huh, yeah.
	Because the Old Testament has all the prophets, okay?
	So, all the prophets, and this is where Sitchin came in, because his name is Zachariah, and one of the ancient Old Testament prophets was Zachariah, so he kind of felt like he was You know, one of God's prophets, okay?
	So that's a little aside on Sitchin.
	Yeah, well, I've got more than that, because also I knew Jordan Maxwell quite well, and he actually, I believe, knew Sitchin, and so did Bob Dean, by the way, and who I also knew well, and they both had dialogue with Sitchin, right?
	And one of the things that came through that, which you might have heard me say in the past, which I have, you know, has been on my interviews, is that Sitchin believed towards the end of his life, when he wrote the last book of Enki, that he was in touch with Enki.
	And that he downloaded it, in other words, from Enki, in essence.
	Took dictation, if you will.
	So that's one thing that he, that is actually, was told to me by, I guess it was Bob Dean, I believe.
	So, yeah, that's, it's just a caveat story.
	So to bring this into like the everyday world here now.
	Okay, so you've covered my question in terms of what went on in the in the Garden of Eden.
	So in a sense, you're seeing it as a rape and certainly that the men who came down and found the women, you know, that was also rape and it's believable that that could be the case.
	Although Not to throw too much of a wrench in your story, okay, because I want to continue, but let me say this.
	My understanding of this story, and of all of what you're talking about, is actually the genetic re-engineering of humanity that's happened, not just from the Anunnaki, but throughout our history.
	And that is, in essence, what the Ashiana Dean Voyager books are all about.
	Really, it's like a litany of the War of Worlds, and how humanity was re-engineered time and time again.
	Somehow, the Anunnaki interference was kind of a big footnote in history, or somehow got focused on, and they had never created us, and that was always a misconception out there.
	We agree there.
	Yeah, so that's for sure.
	Okay, yeah, fine.
	So, but what I'm trying to say here is that the story about all of this with the Garden of Eden and all this nonsense, sorry, from my point of view, nonsense, is a story that humans believe but that actually has to do with the genetic engineering of humanity so that our race would survive and we are considered to be This is basically, okay, so let me just clarify.
	So my background, I don't, and we talked about this, I didn't grow up with a Bible in the house.
	I didn't grow up with that programming and I did read the Bible.
	I did study it and I, you know, I went to a few churches and this and that.
	So But I also studied Buddhism and Taoism and you name it, I mean all kinds of Eastern philosophy, so I was never locked into that picture.
	When I came across Ashyana Deen and her guardian races, which are a group of races, they're not all humanoid by any stretch, and it's like people talk about the Galactic Federation.
	It's a smaller group, but it's like that group that people talk about.
	In other words, it's a group of races who came together.
	And in the case of the Guardian Races, she doesn't consider that she channels.
	So that's very important.
	She considers that she, in essence, you know, in a certain sense, gets downloads or takes dictation, however you want to look at that.
	It's different than channeling, which is a whole different thing that happens to the body when you do it.
	Coming back to the story, the story has to do with the genetic re-engineering and the bringing in, by the way, in this race, which is the sixth root race of humanity, this version of humanity that wasn't wiped out, that is continuing, and has to do with how the reptilian DNA got into our DNA and became part of our, sort of, the package of DNA.
	And the reason that happened and The story is a story like for children, in essence, who don't understand genetic engineering.
	And why the races, the guardian races, would have invited in the reptilians to contribute their DNA is because every single time they had a race of humans on this planet, they would have these marauding races such as reptilians and others, even the mantids, by the way.
	Would come in and defeat them and basically decimate them and take them over.
	So they needed humans to be able to defend themselves.
	This is the story in Ashiana Dean's book.
	And so that we they they cast the reptilians to contribute a portion of their DNA.
	And this is where you get this story, whether it's accurate or not, physiologically of the reptilian brain.
	But this Adam Eve story is a story To tell you this information, how our race allowed reptilian DNA to get involved with us.
	Now, it doesn't really matter whether we can agree on this or disagree.
	The point being is that regardless of how it happened.
	We definitely have a relationship now with, in essence, what is in essence really Draco reptilians, and greys are a derivative of that.
	So, you know, just saying so that it's understandable from a whole different perspective.
	Now getting back to the Sitchin story and how Sitchin understood it also, because in a sense what I think you're saying is that you agreed with Sitchin's interpretation of that Adam Eves story, right?
	Am I right?
	Well, to a point, okay, that's what I unpacked in my, is I felt like I had to set something straight that he didn't, okay, and that was, and this is my, this is how I distinguish myself from him, is that they didn't create this is how I distinguish myself from him, is that they didn't create us, they
	Because the original humans that were made in the image and likeness of the gods, and I agree with him there, Elohim is plural, it's the whole entire creation sentence.
	in the Book of Genesis is written in its plurality.
	Every single word, okay?
	Let us create man in our image according to our likeness.
	Let us create them male and female and they will be equal in the eyes of the Creator.
	So, the inequality happened from the Church of Rome and from, you know, wanting to, they created misogyny and sexism and all of this that came, that was birthed out of anti-Semitism.
	So, the replacement theology that the Church of Rome established as a decree, because, you see, our country, we have this thing in our head that there's a separation from church and state, but that's because we established that.
	The ancient world never had that.
	They were all theocracies.
	Church of Rome and the government of the Roman Empire were one and the same.
	So when they decreed something, for instance, 325 AD, Constantine's Creed, that started the replacement theology and the official Roman doctrines of anti-Semitism.
	And out of that birthed sexism and misogyny, because they went against what was said in the Jewish Bible.
	So like, for instance, equality doesn't necessitate sameness, okay?
	Men and women are equal, but we're not the same.
	Right.
	Okay, so there's a distinction there.
	And they didn't want, because in the Jewish Bible, and in Judaism, women were leaders.
	Women were teachers, were judges.
	I mean, you know, even ancient Israel had Devorah, who won the longest peace for Israel to date, 40 years of peace, and led armies, and she was the leader.
	Modern Israel had Golda Meir as their fourth Prime Minister, who led the armies to win the Yom Kippur War in 1973.
	Um, so, okay.
	Now, again, I'm going to pause you there because we're getting a little on, on a different topic and that's all very good and worth discussion discussing for sure.
	And, you know, I agree with most of that.
	So, but let me, let's come back a little bit to the Sitchin thing and to this, um, to the interference with our race of the reptilians.
	Yes.
	I want to say here that my understanding is that not only did they contribute their DNA so that we would defend ourselves.
	In other words, become warriors, which we have, okay.
	Have enough aggression to defend ourselves. - Thank you.
	But at the same time, the story in Sitchin's work, which is I think very accurately reflecting the Sumerian tablets at the very least, is that the Anunnaki also decided, of course the story as I understand it, is that Enki and Enlil We're in charge of different areas.
	So Enlil was in charge of the Middle East and Enki was in charge of Africa and it is known that Enki was more sort of benevolent and can and actually got involved with genetically Interfering, some saying having sex with the women, okay, so he got that involved.
	But as a geneticist, what they did was they put in what we call a frequency fence in our DNA that limited our age because one of the problems that Anunnaki had very early on in their interference with our race is that we started to almost outstrip them in terms of learning ability And intelligence, etc, etc.
	And they became frightened that they wouldn't continue to be the rulers of Earth.
	And so they decided to slow us down.
	And so yes, they interfered with our race.
	They put in a frequency fence in our DNA.
	And what they did is, in essence, Create the divide between the DNA, one portion of the DNA, and what they call junk DNA at this time, and all that was, you know, manufactured.
	And they limited our lifespan, which was a really important part of limiting us, because if you have a hundred or less years to live, and prior to that we actually lived to at least a thousand and arguably longer, And as far as Ashiana Dean's concerned and the Guardian races, we actually can have unlimited lifespan.
	So we don't need to actually ever die unless you have some mishap or whatever it is.
	So just saying in general, but the limitations are important and the limitations that came as a result purposely of the Anunnaki's intervention into our race are absolutely incredible and By the way, we have the power to repair that.
	So, through meditation and through certain energies and so on, you can actually relink your DNA and we are on our way back, actually as a race, to reawakening the 12 strands.
	So, just wanted to intervene that, so to say, we basically agree on that point.
	If I could just add this piece just for your listeners who do look at Bible, that is exactly what the Old Testament proves, is that before Noah's flood, everyone lived to be like 960.
	Okay?
	Like Methuselah lived to be like 960.
	And then after Noah's flood, People were lucky if they lived to be 120, which is really where our telomeres go.
	So what you say, I absolutely agree with, that it was, you know, limitations that were put, that's why I call it a downgrading.
	Absolutely.
	So now what I want to do, because this is taking a long time to get to this point, so what I want to do, because I want to make sure that we bring your Nibiru side of things into it, so I would like you to explain how you kind of made your way through the maze of information with Planet X and all of these different versions of, you know, Nibiru and how you
	Did you zero in on only Sitchin's version that he got from the Sumerian tablets, or did you do other research that brought you to other points?
	Yes.
	Sitchin inspired me, okay?
	And if it wasn't for him, we wouldn't be using the word Nibiru.
	However, I did not just zero in on him.
	I looked at everything.
	The Colbrin Bible, for instance, has a ton of information about this system.
	The Greeks called it Hercobolus.
	The Chinese called it the Red Dragon.
	It has many names.
	Okay.
	So, of course, we called it us, you know, humans were looking for Planet X, you know, since, since the early 1900s, and every time they saw perturbations.
	On, like, Saturn, that's how they, you know, discovered, you know, Uranus, and then they saw perturbations, and they saw there was Neptune, and then they saw, you know, Lowell, and then he discovered Pluto, because they kept seeing perturbations on our own solar system, that there was something else out there.
	And just to bring it back to where we are today, The University of Berkeley, California, which has really been sort of focused on this, has now declared, okay, they've come out with this, that there is what they call planet.
	So, first they demoted Pluto, and we can talk about that if you want to, okay, as to why that happened, and to change the order and the numbering of the planets, so that they can call this Big blue black planet, Planet Nine.
	And they have come out and basically declared that there is this huge, okay, like ginormous blue black planet that can only be seen in infrared hanging out at the outer edges of our solar system.
	So, when I stumbled upon all of this, and then again, I connect dots to Bible prophecies and history.
	So, one thing that I was very sort of like, huh?
	How did that happen?
	Is the story of the crucifixion of Christ.
	Okay?
	So, it says in the Gospels, which are historical records, And they've all been historically, you know, validated by many different sources that when he was crucified, which was on a full moon, a blood moon, a lunar eclipse.
	A lunar eclipse, okay, is the sun and the moon are opposite, okay?
	So these are just basic astronomy.
	Cannot have an eclipse of the moon under a lunar eclipse, right?
	Just basic.
	But it says in the record that when he was crucified at noon, okay, from noon to 3 p.m., Everything went dark for three whole hours in the middle of the day.
	And I went, how is that possible?
	It certainly couldn't have happened from the moon.
	First of all, when we have solar eclipses and our moon, and we're going to have one in October coming up, okay?
	Our moon, it's always conjunct the sun and it covers up the sun.
	Now whether it's a total eclipse or an annular or a penultimate, it's still a conjunction of the sun and the moon.
	That was impossible for that to happen on that day because it was a full moon.
	So what was eclipsing the sun?
	What caused three hours of darkness And the answer that I came up with was this blue-black planet hanging out at the edge of our solar system that comes around, intersects, interlopes into our solar system every 2,000 years.
	But that's not, everybody thinks that's Nibiru.
	That is not necessarily Nibiru, okay?
	And there is a lot.
	Remember, you and I talked about the controversy.
	There's a lot of controversy about, is Nibiru red or is Nibiru blue?
	So I went to great lengths in my fifth book to prove, based on historical accounts, Nibiru is red.
	It says so in the Colburn Bible.
	It's written in stone in the Egyptian walls, in Persia, which is today's Iran.
	It's written in the Zohar, in the Torah, in the Chinese literature, in the Greek literature.
	Suffice to say, Nibiru is red.
	So who and what is this big blue planet?
	So I went and connected dots to the Hopis, okay, because I found that fascinating, the Hopi Prophecy.
	And the Hopi Prophecy talks about, well, the next world.
	When you, you know, we're in the fourth world, there's going to be the fifth world.
	You already talked about the next generation.
	So when you see the blue kachina, okay, they use these words, the red kachina is going to follow.
	So, I connected the dots that the Blue Kachina is this black-blue planet that can only be seen in infrared that the University of Berkeley has established and called Planet Nine.
	And that the red kachina is Nibiru, which is coming.
	And it's out there and we've seen it.
	So in 1983, NASA sent IRIS up, okay, which was this probe that went all the way out to the edge of our Oort cloud, okay, and came back with pictures of Nibiru, okay.
	And when they showed it to President Ronald Reagan, This was during a time when he was developing the SDI, the Strategic Defense Initiative, which he dubbed Star Wars.
	Okay, so this is where Star Wars comes in, because they basically put weapons in space to protect, because they knew, and I mean, I'm sure you know, Reagan was famous for saying to the United Nations, okay, about what if we find out that there's an alien presence on this planet, wouldn't we all come together and, you know, unite?
	Now, being united, okay, as humans, is a very powerful thing.
	Okay, we as humans are very powerful when we lock arms together.
	When we are in agreement, when we create unity, okay?
	And that is one of the biggest fears that this reptilian, draconian presence doesn't want us to have, which is why they are Machiavellian.
	They keep us divided so that we don't have that kind of power, okay?
	So that was something that I thought was interesting, okay?
	So Reagan had—and then I also found that he wrote an executive order.
	So up until the 80s, Nibiru was, you know, of course Sitchin's books came out in the 1960s, 60s and 70s, all his stuff was out there.
	And I proved this in my fifth book, The Heavens, which is all about Nibiru, that the astronomy magazines going all the way back to the 1930s had articles about Planet X. And then when, of course, Sitchin came out with the name Nibiru, then people started connecting that and putting that name into it.
	But when Reagan saw this, an executive order was issued that came under national security, that no one was allowed to use that name, that it was deleted.
	And then came down all these cover-ups, or what we now call truth embargo, on researching and astronomers and scientists to look at this.
	Okay, so that's where this whole thing sort of went down.
	And when I met Sitchin in 1995, it was like about a year and a half after he had this famous interview with Robert S. Harrington, which you can look up, it's on YouTube.
	And the two of them got together, okay, and literally compared notes, okay, and they corroborated and agreed.
	Okay, and they maybe, you know, were off a little bit on the entry of it because it's coming in from the southwest through Virgo Libra.
	And, you know, one said Libra, the other one said Sagittarius, but they all agreed.
	And, of course, Harrington was coming from The position of information that was taken off of NASA telescopes, deep space telescopes, and of course Sitchin was coming from ancient stone cuneiform tablets.
	So you got the past and the present coming together and they agreed.
	Like within a year later, Harrington comes, 50 years old, perfectly healthy, he was the chief NASA astronomer in Washington DC at the time, comes down with this rare form of esophageal cancer and dies.
	Just like that.
	So, this was about a year and a half before I met Sitchin, and what had happened was he was threatened, okay?
	And he was told You could if you if you tell you know because he was doing lectures all over the place and one thing he was very tight-lipped about was when everybody asked when whenever they heard is when is Nibiru coming when are we going to see it again and he never in fact he used to say not in my lifetime and he was right because he died in 2010 so but he was told that if you ever tell anyone when we're going to shut you down
	Okay, so whenever you asked him that question, he was always very sort of, you know, and he was clearly a little nervous and a little shaken, and he tried, you know, and they let him do his thing, and he died a natural causes.
	He was in his 90s, you know, I think October of 2010 is when he passed over.
	So, You know, that intrigued me as to why they were covering this up.
	And then in 2017, We had some major disclosures, okay?
	Besides the fact that December of 2017 is when, you know, the New York Times posted that article which created UFO disclosure.
	But before that was this big disclosure about this system.
	And they, it came, they called it TRAPPIST-1.
	Okay, and TRAPPIST-1 is the name of the telescope in Chile that the Chilean astronomers used to say, well, hey, you know, we have a brown dwarf star and seven Earth-sized planets that orbit it.
	And it's just really close, okay?
	Like 30, 40 light-years away, something like that.
	So, and I'm like, wow, that sounds just like the Nemesis Nibiru system, a brown dwarf star.
	And then I started seeing, well, this is what the Colbrim Bible talks about, is Nemesis, and how we have this binary Well, most stars, you know, it's a common thing in the universe that most stars are binary, if not trinary.
	I mean, for years we thought the Sirius star system was binary and then they found Sirius C, so that's trinary.
	But suffice to say that our Sun has had this, you know, what they call evil twin, because it's dark, because it's dead.
	Because brown dwarfs are dying stars, so they don't radiate light anymore.
	But, you know, it goes, it orbits, it does this dance with our sun.
	So most of the time when we were growing up in the 60s, nobody saw it because it was behind the sun.
	But then when it comes to the side of the sun, our sun, you know, illuminates it and it looks like two suns.
	But it's not just the sun.
	It's not just the star, the brown dwarf.
	It's a system of planets that orbit it.
	Right.
	Okay, so that's a good summary.
	Very good.
	And the only thing I would say as a footnote is to get back to Harrington.
	He did die within a year of the interview with Sitchin, came across and the Camelot came across quite a number of years ago and I talked about Cristofaro Barbato, Sieve, the secret service of the Vatican that supposedly he was given a DVD that had Planet X on it, in essence Nibiru, and that
	They searched our car in the Milan airport, broke into our car, didn't even take a credit card that was actually right there, and so these were police, and they actually turned the car upside down looking for this, what they thought we had been given, which was either the DVD or a copy of the DVD, because we had just gone to visit Lucas Gontemberlo, who lived in the northern part of Italy, whereas Barbato lived in the South.
	He was the journalist.
	He was destroyed by this story, by outing something to do with this, that he met with a person of the Secret Service of the Vatican who revealed and gave him a DVD of this planet.
	We don't even know if that was a true story, but we do know he was a journalist and they destroyed his career over it.
	In fact, when I was in touch with them back there and Luca was told that he that Barbato could.
	It's not just that they destroyed his journalistic career, but they also wouldn't.
	He was unemployable.
	He couldn't get a job.
	So they destroyed everything.
	You know, so you have to say, well, why did they do that if there was nothing wrong?
	Obviously, there was some truth, some truth to the story.
	So and.
	There has actually been a leak on the internet of a It's kind of hard to see and it might have been a copy of the DVD or it might be nothing, but it's a big red planet and you can just see the kind of thing.
	So there is some video of that out there on the internet.
	I don't know if it's still kicking around.
	But anyway, so this story has definitely made the rounds.
	Now other people, various people, have discounted it and said, you know, either it's the brown dwarf and those planets are Maybe not coming through that often or whatever it is, there's differences in opinion as to how often and even that it's even in our midst at this time.
	I will say that we have a secret witness the very early on told us that we had a binary.
	System that there were two sons and one was a brown dwarf.
	So that's kind of interesting.
	He didn't get into the whole Naviru situation.
	We found out about that later by various other witnesses.
	So we have been disclosing this through various witnesses on and off during the years, but then things have died down in the last, let's say Since 2010, but certainly since in the last five or seven years, so there hasn't been much focus on this.
	I mean, from time to time, people send me what they think is two suns in the sky and that kind of thing, and what they think might be in Nibiru.
	There is a direct connection between Nibiru and the race Anunnaki.
	They're not really called Anunnaki.
	We call them that because it actually does relate to those who from heaven to earth came, is what it means, but that term got popularized by the work of Sitchin, so thanks for saying that.
	Now, I think we've been going for quite some time.
	And that was inevitable.
	So maybe we can have you back to kind of bring the story into this time.
	And if you have other evidence, you know, I did an interview not that long ago with this particular person who is very an advocate of the whole Nibiru story.
	Do you know who I mean?
	Marshall Masters.
	So I interviewed him not long ago.
	It might have been six, nine months ago.
	I don't know.
	Time kind of escapes me at this point.
	I quote him in my book on Nibiru.
	And I can't say I agree with everything he says, but I do know that the Cobran Bible also does talk quite a bit about this, which I haven't read, but I think I actually bought it.
	My time is ridiculous.
	It's an interesting concept.
	It's an interesting idea.
	Because we've been going so long, we don't really have time to talk about the correlations between what could happen.
	I was hoping we would get around to this disclosure by Richard Allen Miller.
	Absolutely.
	and the story of the plate shifting, and maybe even the core shifting, and that this could be caused by the proximity of Nibiru and the actual brown dwarf.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, I can just tell you in a nutshell, you know, based on what you just said, we are seeing evidence of it, of its presence almost on a daily, weekly basis.
	I post pictures of it all the time.
	It is showing up in the SOHO, the SDO, the GOES, the LASCO coronagraph, all the deep space telescopes that are focused on the Sun, and our Sun is Well, that's more like a cover-up for this story.
	In other words, climate change, that whole agenda of the dark side.
	that the system is in.
	It's interloping, intersecting.
	Well, that's more like a cover-up for this story.
	In other words, climate change, that whole agenda of the dark side, it is very possible that it is a cover-up for this if that is a real story.
	In other words, if it's really happening physically and there are two, you know, the brown dwarf is here and so and so forth.
	So it's a great cover-up.
	There's other cover-ups involved with that and there is also a paper that was written together by Richard Hoagland and David Wilcock that I always have to cite alongside this evidence because what it showed was they did a study and found out that every planet in the solar system is heating up, okay?
	So that our so-called I'm just saying, it's important to say that this global warming fallacy is actually something that is solar system wide.
	And so you cannot say it's caused by humans or cows.
	That is insane.
	Okay.
	It's actually insane, but it is part of the, you know, part of the, the controllers, you know, fantasies that they try to sell the people so that the people will, you know, look at it and think, you know, they have to do certain things.
	Absolutely agree with that.
	I've published evidence, not from them, but other sources, which is in my book, proving that.
	So we are seeing warming and changes and even pulse shifts on all the planets, including Mars.
	So there is something here.
	And you know, Nibiru is the Red-headed stepchild that doesn't play well with the others and it's not like all the other planets that circle this brown dwarf.
	It has an elongated orbit and it comes around like like the other planets come around every 2,000 years.
	This is 3567.
	So it has a much longer orbit, and it, and it's tilted.
	So all the others are just all go around like normally like you know our planets go around our son.
	This one is completely tilted so the fact that it comes in through the southwest.
	And it has two tails.
	It's a comet.
	Carlos Munez Ferrada basically established this.
	He was a Chilean astronomer and said this was a comet planet because of the tails.
	And that's why it's always been depicted by the ancients with wings.
	Right, and it's said to be with dust.
	Now, let me just bring up one name for you.
	Cameron Fahley.
	Did you ever listen to my interviews with him?
	I did not, sorry.
	You should definitely go on my website because you will be very interested.
	He was completely obsessed with this and yet he was, his actual job was working for the King and Queen, in essence, and their organization as a financial guy.
	And his whole family, Failey, which is spelled F-A-I-L-Y, I believe, and so that's how you can look him up.
	But I did several interviews with him He kind of went off the deep end, and then he disappeared altogether.
	But his premise was figuring out when Nibiru and the rest was going to come through.
	And he got shut down, definitely, by the powers that be.
	There's no doubt about that whatsoever.
	So, for what it's worth, I'm not saying he was accurate, but he did have some interesting ideas.
	And I literally interviewed him for hours on end.
	I also did in person.
	I met him in person in England and interviewed him in person as well.
	So that's another added piece.
	So just saying that you could look into that.
	Let's have you back in the future.
	Let's get into this a little bit more.
	You do what you do and then people will get your books and, you know, we'll see what kind of response there is out there.
	I think people will be interested in the amount of study and research and books you've done.
	And so you've covered a lot of ground and I think that's great.
	And, you know, so we've had a very interesting, worthwhile, I think, discussion.
	Hope you enjoyed it.
	I did.
	Okay.
	So let's have you back.
	Now give your website and where people can find you, and then we'll also embed it in the page when I publish the interview.
	Thank you, Carrie.
	Yes, I'm at who'swhointhecosmiczoo.com.
	Uh, you can also find me on Facebook, uh, Facebook page, Who's Who in the Cosmic Zoo, or L. LeBain, and I'm, I'm on Amazon.
	All my books are available, um, Kindle, paperback, and if you have the audio subscription, you can get it on audio, too.
	Excellent.
	Okay, and, uh, just to clarify for people, LeBain is spelled L-E-B-A-I-N?
	Yes, capital B, capital L-E, capital B-A-I-N.
	Okay.
	And Ella.
	Ella.
	L-L-A.
	Right?
	Yes.
	Okay, just getting that out there.
	All right, great.
	It was nice to have you here on the show, Ella.
	Fun talking to you.
	You're very knowledgeable.
	You know, let's continue this at another time, okay?
	I would love to.
	Thank you, Carrie.
	Okay, great.
	All right, thanks for watching, everyone.
	So, take care, and we are living in interesting times, no doubt.
	And so, thank you for being here.
	Bye-bye.

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