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May 4, 2023 - Project Camelot

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DYLAN MONROE: DEEP STATE MAPPING PROJECT - INTERVIEW

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	Thank you.
	Hi, everyone.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy to be here today.
	So, I have Dylan Monroe with me today and we had a kind of a rough start.
	My computer is going slow.
	So, mercury retrograde and the whole thing.
	So, Dylan, it's great to have you back on the show.
	It's been a long time, I think, and I know I saw you, didn't I see you in person in like, it was late August at the Reckoning Festival, right?
	Yeah, the first Reckoning Fest we got to meet, which was really fun.
	And meet 107 for myself, which was fun.
	Yeah, right.
	So what I want to do here is get you to introduce yourself.
	And your deep state mapping project and whatever, you know, and then, you know, once you introduce yourself a bit, we can launch into what your current work is.
	All right, well, I'm Dylan Lewis Monroe.
	I also go by A145TheMapMaker.
	It's kind of like my Pleiadian codename on my Rumble Channel New Templars.
	And I'm known as TheMapMaker because I made the QMap originally, or the QWeb, or the QKey as I call it, which is one of the most people I've seen, most people are familiar with.
	And that was released New Year's Eve 2018, and When there was a lot of interest in it, I thought this was just a personal project, but it ended up going viral, and so it kind of turned into my whole business.
	And technically, I'm an artist.
	My background was in fashion design, but I've always been into conspiracies really deep ever since 2005, so I had a head start on most of the Q crowd that kind of came on board, obviously, in 2017, late 2017.
	And I've just been putting maps together ever since and started doing some expos too, looking into the truth or expos, alien cons, some different psychic affairs, and really analyzing the whole truth community itself since I got into the alt media community.
	I've been looking at different channels and, you know, discovering certain ones are, you know, compromised or whatnot, as I'm sure you have as well, being in this industry for so long.
	Of course, you are a veteran in this, so you've seen all the tricks of the trade.
	And yeah, our latest map, it kind of builds off an idea from that original queue map, the idea of world hierarchy.
	And I think that's the one we're going to do, we're going to talk about today.
	And I actually want to kind of run a few things by you as well and kind of get your opinion on some of these aspects of world hierarchy.
	Okay, sounds good.
	Now, I think I've got that on the screen.
	Yeah, so it's going to be educational for both.
	And we already have 2,000 posters made, so I can't make an adjustment.
	But, you know, if you have any constructive criticism, you know, we're going to be producing more of the printed flyer soon.
	And we can produce, adjust the download version at any time.
	And so, yeah, we want to get this thing dialed in.
	Okay, sounds good.
	Now, I think I've got that on the screen.
	Do you see that there?
	Yeah, that is the Q key.
	That's the main one we're kind of known for.
	Okay, so just for people that are interested to see what it all looks like, and of course they can go to your website, which is DeepStateMappingProject.com.
	A lot of these are free downloads as well.
	The newest one is not, but some of the most important original older ones are free downloads that I make them free to just help the Great Awakening, to help the MAGA movement, to help bring people up to a higher consciousness level.
	So we don't want to pay well for that, but of course if you want printed merchandise, you know, that does have a price tag.
	Okay, and now in terms of what do you want to have, do you want to share your screen or is this what you want people to look at?
	Because I want to make sure we've got on the screen what you, what we want to talk about as well.
	I'll share my screen and just give you kind of like a little preface of and a little bit of the inspiration of the main one that we're going to talk about here today.
	This kind of, so this is actually called the Jumbo Q-Web, which is kind of a simplified version of the one you were just seeing.
	It's just a fewer bullet points, but kind of boiled down, and this is the most updated one that we kind of re-released last year.
	And so ever since the original diagram, we've had this pyramid of world hierarchy on it.
	And this is a really important aspect of all of conspiracy research for me, just understanding how the world actually operates, because most people just think it's We the people elect a democratic government and then, you know, they do our bidding and it's, you know, completely not the case.
	And so this is a really simplified version where you have, you know, religion, government, education, media, below banks, international corporations, think tanks, committee of 300, council of 13, and Pindar at the top who's kind of like the supreme leader of the new world order or Humanities contact person to Satan essentially and the one that I presented here on the original Cuba was more or less inspired by or, you know reference to
	Oops, not that one yet, this one, which a lot of these, you can find a lot of these online.
	You know, I've searched many times for World Hierarchy Pyramid, and there's a million different versions with different interpretations, and different ones include certain things, different ones exclude other things, and this was like my favorite one for a really long time, and I kept putting this one in my different videos to reference it, to show people, you know, this is how the world is kind of More likely structured, not saying any of these are perfect.
	But this one's obviously ending with the Queen, which is kind of a little bit questionable.
	And then this one also completely excluding all different secret societies.
	I mean, you could kind of say that may fall in like This this region here somewhere but you know it's not specifically referenced on this one.
	And then another one that I liked that was obviously a lot more abridged was this one which gets a little bit more into the extraterrestrial extra-dimensional aspect of hierarchy.
	This one's in like a really crazy order with Jesuits above Draco reptilians which doesn't make sense but you know I liked the thought process of this one that this was kind of where Where I wanted to kind of bridge the two of those that I just showed.
	And so my intention was to create the ultimate version of this, like the definitive version, the definitive screenshot of the cabal at the time of their collapse, which
	I do have to preface all this with saying although this and I'll bring it up on full screen in a second here but this is my version that I came up with and preface it with this whole system is in the process of being destroyed by the White Hats and so this is kind of like the final version of how complex it got and a lot of people ask the question why is the operation taking so long right you hear that a lot and I think when you see this diagram it kind of
	Not only makes you realize why it's taking so long, but it actually makes you question if it's even possible to take this thing down, because it's so complex, it's so well-established, there's so many subsidiary groups, so hierarchical.
	And so, you want to reply to any of that before I pop up the main one?
	Oh, I think no, go ahead.
	Let's let's continue and see where we go with this.
	I might have comments on that that when you had up there, but I think I'd like to have you go into a little bit more.
	Okay.
	So here is the one that I made that's meant to be the definitive edition of this and it's obviously a lot more complex than either of the other ones you just saw and I kind of separated into these four main categories which it's also even on the back I kind of break it down into essays but like the first tier the bronze tier on the bottom general population and basically the world that normies are aware of going up through some of
	Well, obviously, same as what I said before, you know, government, media, education, and then kind of corporations above the government, which in the truth community, we've become aware that our government actually is a corporation.
	But even though that's a corporation, there's other corporations, such as the military industrial complex and banking and The Federal Reserve, which is a corporation that's actually kind of controlling our government, as opposed to the other way around, as most people would like to think that, you know, our representatives create regulations for the corporations.
	It's really kind of the opposite, you know, that the corporations are creating regulations for the government to pass as law so that they can operate with impunity.
	And so then the way I divided this was the tier two is this silver tier here, which is representing the secret societies and think tanks.
	And I will zoom in a bit for you guys.
	You know, the first tier is pretty basic, but this is where, you know, this is the tier that was kind of excluded from my favorite one previously.
	And I did put this Masonic Compass and Square kind of center.
	And I think a lot of the individuals involved in this tier are involved in masonry, but it's not necessarily This whole tier is masonry.
	You know, there's other organizations here, and we even get into some of the higher-level corporations that are sort of beyond the laws of normal corporations, such as the military-industrial complex ones and the high-level financial ones like BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street.
	And this tier is also divided into what I call octagon group and hexagon group.
	We've heard a lot more about Octagon Group as kind of the military wing of this whole thing, and this whole structure was sort of evolved out of aristocratic knighthoods from the medieval period.
	It all began with these knighthoods being created as protection of medieval villages and for the Vatican's crusades in the Holy Land.
	And this kind of evolved into the military industrial complex today, because obviously the people with the best weapons have the most ability to create regime change, control the people.
	And so the people actually running the show have to be in control of those organizations, or else you would have United States of Boeing, essentially.
	And so this all is hierarchical, and I think it's controlled through these secret societies in order so that these people who actually control the weaponry don't get out of line.
	And Octagon Group also includes intelligence agencies from all different nations, as well as cartels, the black market.
	And then Hexagon Group is more of the political wing, which involves a lot of these think tank groups like Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, and then also including groups like Soros and all of his subsidiaries and scientific institutions as well, as well as financial institutions, especially.
	And all of this, some say, according to Benjamin Fulford, is pretty much run by the Kazarian Mafia.
	And they're involved in Octagon Group as well.
	So there's a lot of crossover in all these groups.
	And that's why it's not necessarily like in perfect sequential order from top to bottom but because you know there's as we know the president of the united states would really be from like the government section down here but if the president of the united states is a grand master uh freemason then he's most likely you know he he's represented more like here and And so there's elements of crossover between these tiers, but it's a very strict hierarchy.
	And you know, the important people in the lower tiers are members of societies in the upper tiers.
	And so beyond that, and this is a brief walkthrough, I'm not going to go into super detail because I actually have a video where I did pretty much a full walkthrough.
	I never hit every bullet point, but I have a video where I did a full walkthrough and I want to do kind of a brief walkthrough with you and then kind of get your opinion on a few things.
	But then beyond the secret societies is the spiritual control, the priesthoods and the bloodlines, which like I said about We're on Facebook.
	I kind of want to be careful with saying the FM word too many times.
	But, um... It's not a problem on my channel, anyway.
	Okay, well...
	My understanding of that organization, Masonry, is that it has become or it originated as an extension of the titles of nobility from Renaissance Europe or even earlier and that a lot of their decorations and their titles are sort of a replica of noble titles and it's one way for General population, or you know, people in families of some standing to elevate their standing through the ranks and the titles of that organization.
	But so the real deal is the actual titles of nobility themselves and including families with coats of arms and titles of nobility.
	And we do a brief little synopsis here of the different titles from nobility that are included in this, obviously going up to king, queen, princess, prince.
	We also discuss here briefly the feudal system, which our whole world kind of was based on this there this was the system and medieval renaissance Europe that has been adapted to we call it now capitalism which it really is crony capitalism and it's just kind of a skewed version of what really was the feudal system, which some say you know that's kind of like a system of enslavement in a way it is.
	But, you know, there are ways for people to work their way up through that system.
	It's like the American dream for knights in the Middle Ages.
	But I put the spiritual control above the societies, which you don't see on every different map, but I put that there.
	And the spiritual control ties in with the titles of nobility, because everyone in those societies has to have a spiritual belief system.
	And I think people's spiritual belief system is fundamentally what guides them in their decisions and you know we have these publicly acknowledged spiritual belief systems with really the vatican as the central piece and all of that um but then i've been looking more into what level of control the the religion of islam has because they seem somewhat independent of the vatican there there is collusion there but it's not clear you know vatican has control over all of islam
	still and from my understanding um when islam originated the vatican may have been responsible for that because they wanted to take down the eastern arm of christianity eastern orthodox But then, you know, over time they became out of control.
	But the Caliphate never took down the Vatican itself.
	They stopped short of that.
	And so there's a question there of the contested supremacy is what we call it.
	And then obviously there's the Jewish faction as well, which is sort of included below here.
	Different truth researchers would include the Jewish faction, higher or lower, but they're a little bit harder to pin down because Judaism doesn't have a central figure like the Vatican does, neither does Islam, but the House of Saud and, you know, the Shia of Iran, the Mujahedin,
	I get my Islamic terminology a little bit confused sometimes, but there's two branches of Islam, and there's some contested authority between those two as well, and then it's also important to include here the Asian dragon families, which is more in line with the titles of nobility, not aligned with a specific religion, but they have their own say in things, and you know, they don't always have, the Western authorities don't always have complete control over them, and I think that they have played a big role in this White Hat plan,
	To, you know, take the world back from these satanic forces.
	And so, above all these publicly acknowledged religions, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, are the satanic religions of the elite.
	Which we got some names for these here, and I've taken some of this information from the testimonies of Jesse Sezbotar, and a lot of other references that have, you know, been saying that they're actually satanic religions in the highest circles of the elites.
	That there is witches and warlocks up there.
	This organization called the Mothers of Darkness, which I'm really intrigued by how much control a lot of these females that are wedded into noble families are exerting in the actual system, because a lot of people think our world is all patriarchal, which in many ways it is, but I have heard that these Mothers of Darkness behind the scene may have the final say in some things, but I'm, you know, Debatable as to how much.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean that they I guess I don't know what she's called but the head of in theory the head of all the dark forces is a woman this right now and at least according to Mark Richards.
	I don't know if I discussed this with you before or not and she is both on the light and the dark path and It's one person.
	She resides in France.
	And so that's kind of my understanding of it.
	So I'm not sure where the Mothers of Darkness and it would seem to me she would be below her.
	If the information I've gotten is correct.
	I do want to say a couple things.
	Is that right?
	Yeah, go ahead.
	I didn't want to throw you off your game here too much, but I'm noticing that you have a lot of references like both above and below the line to what in essence, you know, Illuminati is like a big bucket term.
	And it looks like as far as I can tell, you've got that down here on a lower level.
	Maybe I misinterpret the way your chart goes, but I, you know, in essence, that's kind of like, that would include all of these levels, in essence, all the way up to at least the ET level.
	So, I'm not sure where, where you drew, you know, and technically Pindar would be the head of the Illuminati.
	You know, so not sure where you're going with all.
	I mean, I see that you kind of have to delineate out these various factions that but how they reside, you know what I'm saying?
	In a hierarchical kind of a fashion.
	That's where you get into issues because of what one person understands versus another and and so on.
	And just out of curiosity, where do you have the P2 Lodge?
	The P2 Lodge is right here and it's sort of positioned as So this kind of architectural delineation here sort of separates the highest level societies from the more general societies.
	Because, I mean, Freemasonry goes all the way down to pretty much normies, you know, down at this Entered Apprentice, the Blue Lodge.
	It's like they're light years away from these high-level organizations.
	But certain Freemason lodges, such as P2, which has, I guess, become P3 now.
	I think P2 was banned.
	And then United Grand Lodge of England, House of the Temple in DC are kind of the ones running the show.
	Okay, but then you've got the Vatican above that.
	That's not actually how it goes.
	I mean, so yeah, so I'm just not sure about the placement, I guess, in the hierarchy when you've got certain things above other certain things that don't necessarily, they're not even separate.
	You know what I mean?
	So.
	Yeah, I just might have some issues with some of that.
	I think it's good that you're delineating the, these things though, because you're bringing them all in.
	So people can can see them.
	It's interesting to me that you've got.
	The law of the sea admiralty law way over to the right.
	And I guess you're countering it with spiritual law, which is interesting.
	It's a different way of seeing it.
	But again, admiralty law, which is really at least as far as I'm concerned, not is more of a military designation.
	So, and that's the language.
	You know, this is the codification of religion.
	So on a certain level, you would expect to find it below the religious hierarchy.
	Yeah, there's definitely a question of, you know, when we're talking about hierarchy and then you add in systems of law, it's not exactly like a system of law fits in a hierarchy.
	and the community.
	But yeah, I mean, there's definitely room for moving things around, and there's so much cross-pollination and people who are in multiple groups.
	There was a news article from, I think, 2018 that was saying, The Vatican ordered the Knights of Malta to kick all the masons out of their ranks and I just found that article really fascinating to just think about things in that level of complexity that I don't even think they're supposed to be in their ranks to begin with but the fact that they are and then even within churches like I have a friend who is a father is a Protestant pastor international and
	They're not supposed to have any masons in their ranks either, but it happens all the time because the church wants more members and wants more money, and so even when they have rules about these things, people break the rules.
	And so yeah, there's definitely probably circumstances where things could shift here in terms of top to bottom, but just to have everything in one place was kind of like the main idea here, and to put it up for people's consideration.
	Okay, yeah, I see that.
	So, yeah, I mean, you can look at various things and also see that they might be derivative of other things.
	And also this sort of Jesuit order You know how that other image we were looking at earlier was putting the Jesuits below, or I mean above, well, it was above something that... Greco-Reptilian.
	Yeah, obviously, you know, it's not above it, you know, in their dreams, maybe, but, you know, that kind of thing.
	Interesting, you know, there's some things about the Anunnaki.
	I don't know, I'm sorry, I guess we haven't gotten to the upper level of the ET side, but certain, you know, the Pharaohs and the Anunnaki are a subgroup from the Anunnaki.
	So, yeah, I'm, you know, anyway, just, I mean, one could go on for hours and hours just looking at all your little bits and pieces and designations and so on.
	It is fascinating.
	I, okay, why don't you continue and then, because I wanted you to get through the chart, like, also before we started talking about it.
	Mm hmm.
	And this is the part that I really wanted to get your opinion on was the extraterrestrial off world part.
	And so we have here on the lowest portion here are some of the more physical ones, 3D physical negative ETs.
	Satan is kind of a term that a lot of people put at the top of the chart, and that's where it ends in the world hierarchy.
	And, you know, if that's a specific entity or a title that's passed from one person to the next is debatable.
	Again, same with the Anunnaki gods like Enki and Enlo, which a lot of people say, you know, one of them or both was Satan.
	And then the more like Canaanite gods like El.
	But the more tangible factions here would be like the Dark Fleet, which is the extension of the Nazi space program, also known as the Giza Intelligence Group, or in German, the Nachtwaffen.
	Okay, well, um, but you don't have Marduk on here.
	So Marduk is to some people is considered Satan.
	Enki and Enlil maybe even predate the thinking on that, on the idea of a one Satan.
	But Satan also relates directly to Saturn and the rule of Saturn, which is Saturn is a major portal out of our solar system and into others.
	And so that's part of the power of it.
	So, you know, I mean, I think Satan, in theory, would be higher on this, you know, this pecking order, so to speak, in, you know, than it is.
	If you want to go along those ways.
	I'm, you know, again, There's so many different off-planet races and you're only indicating a few here and that would probably be a misunderstanding.
	Because of the pyramid and it was getting kind of smaller towards the top I know there was a lot more I probably could have put in the extraterrestrial section but it was kind of getting more abridged as we got up there and then you know it also gets into questions of Like, there's not as much documentation of that as well.
	And so, I definitely know there's a lot more in here.
	That's why I did want to get you to kind of fill in some of the blanks here.
	But there's obviously not space for everything either.
	But like you were saying, like Marduk was a son of the Anunnaki, like a lord in the Anunnaki gods.
	And so, yeah, it's just this... When we get up to this level, it kind of becomes the long-term battle between Pleiadians and Anunnaki is how I see it.
	And one thing I was going to actually ask you about was the Egyptian gods kind of stand out to me as I've heard other YouTube channels recently talking about the Egyptian gods were Pleiadian.
	And that's something that I resonate with a little bit, but I'm still not 100% sure.
	And I see a lot more of Anunnaki Babylonian influence in Hollywood and in our country and in the world.
	Well let me define Anunnaki for you in a way that I don't know if you're considering.
	So Anunnaki would not be, it wouldn't be, I guess you would say Pleiadians versus Anunnaki.
	That's actually incorrect because the Anunnaki were Pleiadian and all the humanoids in theory go back to Lyra.
	So Lyra would have to be up on above even Pleiades and Nibiru, where the Anunnaki ended up.
	The Anunnaki are a break-off group from the Pleiadians.
	They were humanoid, they were then invaded by the Draco reptilians, and now they're You know, hybrids basically, so there are reptilian humanoid hybrids and there's a lot of confusion about that out in the sectors, you know, and I realize that, but this is my understanding and you can see it on the temples and I just got back from Egypt and you probably didn't see my.
	My article about Egypt, but there's there's a great deal of deception in in this whole story, of course, but.
	You know, there's a lot more to this, so it doesn't.
	Pleiadians, I know that people tend to see Pleiadians as like the good side, but what they don't realize is they have a self interest that they're motivated by, which is to to actually apparently they were.
	Sort of, I guess, fathers of our race, the humans, and we were bred to actually help them fight their wars with the Draco reptilians and the AI, which are constantly trying to invade all of these various races and specifically the enemies of the Pleiadians.
	So, Um, and and then there's questions as to, you know, there's rogue elements of Pleiadians, um, but they're not the quintessential necessarily good guys.
	They are just a, um.
	A higher dimensional, like, well, they started at 60.
	I tend to think of them as going higher now, but, um, depending on the on the group and so on and so forth.
	So, in other words, they had self interest and they were.
	Supposed to be very, you know, helping us.
	They were kind of fathering our race to some degree, but we both race, humans and Pleiadians, as I said, and Anunnaki are come from Lyra.
	So we have to go up to that point.
	And then there's, I talk about this on the, in Egypt, though, that there's a hierarchy shown on the, on the, have you been to Egypt?
	I can't remember.
	No, but I do want to go and I'm very jealous of your trip.
	It looks fantastic.
	No, it'd be great for you to come, but we're making a documentary of it so you can get a really good idea.
	We've also made a few other documentaries of the other trips that we've done, but the more I go, the more, you know, I guess, you know, deeper into understanding the symbolism and what they're trying to, the misleading sort of roads they're taking people down on the the propaganda aspect of what's on the temple walls and how it might have been distorted over time so um the lion beings
	there's also this idea that there's a hierarchy of certain kinds of beings and the lion beings being the top echelon so i don't think you deal with that But in the Sphinx was initially a lion being and that predates anything as far as the pyramids and everything else there.
	So when you look at the temple carvings, you'll see that as they have this stepping stone, the lion beings are higher up than say reptilians and so on and so forth.
	So You might incorporate some ideas like that.
	You might want to just make a whole nother chart of the Egyptian side of things, you know, because it's so intricate.
	And then we also don't have, you don't have, you know, the whole echelon, you know, because these various India and China have their own echelons, you know, their own hierarchy that they're reporting to.
	Arguably not the same as the ones that, you know, took over Europe and so on.
	So just, those are just some notes that I would just say.
	That's a really good point.
	I mean, I was aware of all the different pantheons having done the DAD chart, Um, which goes through, compares all the different pantheons, but I'm definitely a little bit less familiar with, like, the Vedic ones, and I know that history goes way back, and, you know, it, like you said, it may be a different set of extraterrestrial entities interacting with planet Earth.
	I think there's been different waves of them that have come.
	And it seems like that Babylonian Anunnaki one is the one that has kind of stuck and really kind of taken over the world.
	From my deity chart, I kind of came to, I know that these pantheons may seem similar, but the way culture kind of flourished in the Greek period, and they brought in a whole different pantheon with very complex mythology, somewhat similar to the Anunnaki mythology.
	But I get the sense that they were interacting with like a new group, possibly.
	Well, actually, I would say that the Greeks were more, I think, aligned with the Pleiadians.
	And the Egyptians were more aligned with Osiris and the Orion belt.
	And again, there being a split between the Annunaki and the Pleiadians.
	And then Rome, of course, ended up to probably be linked more to the Anunnaki who continued through to take over the kingships you know through that that time but then you have to go back before that to Mu and Atlantis and That what was going on there and and we don't have a whole lot of knowledge of that.
	Do we have some different Plato talked about it?
	Apparently the labyrinth in Egypt.
	I don't know if you know about that, but they were supposed to be exposing that to the general public and they they didn't they stopped they were going to go film it.
	Several years ago, and they just basically shut it down and didn't tell anyone.
	It has information and carvings on the walls, according to 1 of our witnesses who was there, was invited to be there.
	This researcher named Patrick Jarrell, and we did an interview with him.
	And he basically said the fall of Atlantis was is depicted on the walls of the labyrinth.
	So that's really important.
	And according to Ashana Dean's books that there was Atlantis actually went through to.
	Falls, if you will, and the 2nd, 1 being the 1 that I guess, sent it down to the sea permanently, but there are signs of Atlantis in various places, as you know, which includes the entire Mediterranean and.
	You know, there are discussions about that.
	I have had, I've traveled in Malta where I believe they put some of the, they hid some of the relics prior to the fall, final fall of Atlantis in Malta.
	And that's what the Have you been to Malta at all?
	Malte's side of the Illuminati, what they called the Knights of Malta there, you know, they have a fortress there.
	If you, have you been to Malta at all?
	Okay.
	That's another great place to go.
	But I heard about them though, have those hypergeums or something.
	Yeah.
	Hypergeum.
	And that's underground.
	And, but there's also evidence of a whole different set of beings who built these temples like on Gaunt, Gozo, the island of Gozo.
	Malta is made up of three islands and so there's the architecture of the temples and according to at least Captain Mark Richards, they're not
	um humanoid that the bill the beings that built at least um the gozo some of the gozo temples in the hypergeum may not have been humanoid at all and they have these very low doorways which um i guess he was hinting that that they were basically built by the reptilians um and So I mean, but this is history that we're still trying to figure out and discover.
	A great deal of it is not revealed.
	So it's understandable that you wouldn't know.
	Another big influence in India is what I call the Syrian Blues.
	And they are the ones that look like, if you know the X-Men, the blue woman.
	Okay, so they have blue skin, but they're humanoid.
	And they seem to be depicted on a lot of the artwork in India.
	Again, coming from, in theory, serious, and those are the good guys.
	There are other races coming from serious that are not so, you know, positively oriented.
	Um, so there's that aspect too, but.
	There's, you know, and now there's a new group or some more new groups, which are coming in.
	I, according to my whistleblowers, more than 1 saying, you know, I hate to say this, but the spider beings who have come in and decided that they.
	We're going to back the Chinese and bring them into control of the earth so that the Chinese are have other ones like the reptilians.
	They've reported to the dragons, you know, dragon being a huge icon for the Chinese, but this goes.
	I love it.
	I could talk about extraterrestrial races and who's on which side forever, and it's great to hear you have a lot of insight on that.
	I wanted to go on 10 different tangents while you were talking there, but while we're on the subject of spider beings, something I did want to ask you about is, as we get past these sort of more physical ET factions, into the non-physical, extra-dimensional, trans-dimensional ETs.
	The main thing here is essentially demons or archons, which influence humanity from beyond the veil of our perception, a higher dimensions or maybe lower dimensions, I mean, higher dimensions, but negative entities.
	But then something I've heard of in this area is the chimera, which these were discussed in the cobra material, you know, the Cobra, the portal, the portal, I think is his website.
	He does like a newsletter.
	Yeah, I know, I know.
	And that chimera is essentially a massive spider being, like a massive kind of octopus spider being, that's multi-dimensional or higher dimensional, that sit in space literally above our cities and suck negative energy off of them.
	And I'm wondering, is that just craziness from a blog?
	Is that something you've heard of?
	Is that something you find credible?
	Well, that kind of gets into the black goo and the discussions I've had with Miles Johnston and those spider beings.
	So again, relating to the spider beings.
	But there's also these, the spider beings that are not physical.
	They're actually, they could be seen as a kind of interdimensional, but maybe it's not even that.
	Maybe they're You know, inter interdimensional or something like that, but they you can I've seen them.
	I know it sounds weird, but they they encompass the they built the Matrix.
	So they build the Matrix and that they're part of the wiring and they they sort of I you know that they sort of scuttle along the walls when the Matrix melts, you know how the Matrix movie showed you a Matrix literally, right?
	That is actually more or less similar to this, what our real walls are made of, that encompass this dimension.
	And these beings are at these junctures, and they do move along, so they're spider-like.
	Whether that's the right term for them, I don't know.
	Chimaera tends to also be a shapeshifter, so whether or not the Chimaera that is being talked about by Cobra is the same Chimaera as is designated in the more spiritual writings, you know, out there.
	There is a reference, there are references to that.
	But, you know, things get really confused.
	Now, there's also the inner earth cultures.
	I don't think, I may be wrong, but I haven't seen your whole chart, but you might not have referenced them.
	And to get some understanding that there are races that are more advanced than we are, Living in inner earth that have refused to deal with us until we were raising our vibration to a certain degree and that
	That gets into these two these books which is a series of books with written by this individual who was a journalist in Romania called Radu Sinimar and the Transylvanian Sunrise and Moonrise are the first two in the series but they eventually book five and I think book four and there may be a new one since then but
	They are revealing the inner earth beings and the inner earth beings have started to want to interact with us now on surface earth.
	So there's, I don't know if you have that in your chart.
	I make a brief reference to Vril and kind of like the wizard warlock section.
	And that's kind of more in reference to the Nazis that developed the Vril abilities.
	But I actually don't have the inner earth, any part of that in the hierarchy, because they have been pretty separate and more separating themselves.
	I have recently read The Coming Race about the Vril, which is debatable if that's truth or fiction, but pretty fascinating content there.
	It's definitely, they may be a faction here in the future at some point that plays an important role.
	So, well, the Camero is also, I'm sure you've seen those sculptures they have in several different cities across the world that are the big black spider.
	The name of the artist escapes me, but you know, they're near specific museums and some people say that's the Illuminati acknowledging that there is some kind of either spider being, and I'm not sure what the scale of them is intended to be.
	You know, the scale of the sculptures is you know, the height of about three humans or so, but whether that's intended as like a massive, you know, sperm whale size organism that exists in space or something that same scale as they built the sculpture.
	What's your opinion on those sculptures?
	Is that reference to the spider beings you're talking to?
	Well, I'm not talking to, talking about.
	Yeah.
	So I think, thankfully, I don't think I've run across those, but I can say that, you know, I've talked about this before, but Captain Mark Richards talks about Vietnam War really being about the invasion of the spider beings but Captain Mark Richards talks about Vietnam War really being about the invasion of the spider beings and that I'm going to remember it.
	It's this civilization back in time, and that was in the area of Cambodia, Angkor Wat.
	And so, have you heard me tell this story before?
	I think I heard you talk about Angkor Wat recently.
	Okay, yeah, because I think I talked about it.
	Kind of briefly, but it is about the spider beings, and they are supposedly about the size of a VW Bug.
	And which sounds like it might be similar to what the artist is is depicting, but that that would just mean that he is tapping into that.
	From my understanding, Camara would be the wrong name for them.
	I don't know what the name for them really would be, but just personally, I don't think that's accurate.
	I know that what they do is they mind control their victims before they kill them.
	And so what happened with Angkor Wat is that it's always been a mystery in time, you know, in history going back.
	And I don't even know which century it was.
	But the bottom line is that they entered through a portal into that area.
	They came back during the Vietnam
	War era and that the real war was with them to close the portal again but at any rate during Angkor Wat there was a there's a city it's a gorgeous you know city sculpturally and so to speak and it has a river running through it so what the spider beings did when they came through the portal this is the story is to mind control the the humans to think they had no water so they were dying or weakened
	Because they were dying of thirst, and then they killed them and eat them.
	Sounds really awful, but they disappeared almost overnight.
	That city, that's been a mystery.
	And what happened then, when Vietnam came around, is they started coming through those portals in the east again.
	Now, they have also been, according to Miles Johnson, who's British, found in what we know of as the Lake District, but they keep to the underground caves and things there.
	So, I had three military guys.
	I put out the word that if any military guys felt they had their mind wiped and they had memories of this, of They should come, you know, contact me.
	So I got three guys came and contacted me.
	Only two wanted to come forward and ultimately only one did, but the story was that that's what they thought.
	They thought they were, they thought we're fighting battles, but they found out they were fighting these particular aliens and stuff.
	So it's, it's a really kind of graphically awful
	thing to think about but strangely um then I have another whistleblower completely unrelated to Mark who started telling me at a certain point a few several years ago you know I've been doing this for 18 years now so you know it when I say several years ago it could have been nine years ago I don't really know exactly but he started talking about an incoming race they're like new kids on the block is how you referred to them
	Incoming, so I'm sure they arrived whether they're exactly the same ones that came through the portals of anchor what I don't know, but these are the kinds of things that we don't know.
	There's I mean, there's thousands, if not millions of different races that are visiting our planet on and off through the decades.
	So.
	The reason Egypt is so fascinating is because it.
	At a certain point that one of the cultures came along was pictorial.
	They were very into these, you know, drawings and carvings of actual beings.
	And so then they give you a sort of clue of the sort of compendium of beings that have Actually come in as is depicted on the walls of the pyramids.
	I mean, not pyramids, but the, you know, the.
	Structures and temples is that it appears to be peaceful, a peaceful exchange of goods and services and.
	Especially gifts they bring to humanity.
	Okay, so that's what's depicted on the Egyptian.
	And then you don't have any sign of any war until the time of Ramses when he basically pastes his own carving on top of the temples that have already been there predating him.
	Uh, so that's quite interesting, uh, which isn't to say that that's accurate.
	It's just the way it's it's depicted and what there's a lot hidden in Egypt and a lot that has never been discovered or exposed.
	So.
	That's also important and there's a lot of contradictions there too.
	But, yeah, so.
	Yeah, I don't think you can say, like, the Egyptian gods came from the Pleiadians.
	There's been a shift in power, I think, because there is a contradiction.
	Because some people say Thoth and some of the Egyptian gods were descendants from Atlantis.
	And that obviously they had some culture, you know, they brought development to humanity, taught humanity some things.
	But there's also contention of whether Egypt was a slave-based economy or not.
	And obviously in the Bible it's demonizing Egypt, saying that they're slave drivers.
	But some recent archaeologists, and who knows if they're accurate or not, have said that people building the pyramids had middle-upper class living quarters.
	And so, you know, we don't really know.
	And there's also the contradiction of If the Egyptian gods came from Atlantis, and then they built the pyramids shaped like Orion, but then the Nazis are working with negative Orions, it's like... Well, I mean, the pyramids... I can say that the pyramids, the main three pyramids on the plateau, were built by off-planet race, and not humans at all.
	That's completely a mistaken understanding.
	I'm probably in an older period.
	And that the lower, what they call the step pyramids that came later, this is the rewriting of history.
	Okay, so this is not what Egyptologists teach people, but.
	What it appears is that what you find with the step pyramids is they often have crumbled over time.
	And those were the ones that the humans tried to copy the original ones built by these off planet races or 1 in particular.
	And I don't know the name of that race.
	I don't think it's the Anunnaki.
	However, I think it's another race altogether and that again, it goes way back.
	So.
	And there are pyramids all over the planet as well, so some races come in with pyramids.
	And actually, do you know that they've also photographed pyramid craft?
	In the skies, right?
	So that's been over the years as you know, they call them UFOs, but there are particular ones that actually are shaped like pyramids in craft.
	We might kind of have one here.
	It's like that's not exactly what this was kind of intended as a Pleiadian pyramid craft kind of monitoring the situation down here and I put my light like a symbol on there but It's kind of just decorative, but that's kind of the intention.
	Apparently in Spain, and I'm sure it's not the only place, there's a pyramid like that, what you've drawn on the right.
	That is, in other words, the half of the pyramid is underground and the other half is above ground.
	And that's, it's a certain kind of pyramid, obviously looks more like a diamond, but that's what they say is, it's in Spain and it, there's also, there's a, well, there's a reptilian alien base in Montserrat in Spain, and I went there.
	And climb to the top, you know, the way they let you go up this trail and all this kind of thing.
	And I, you know, just as a psychic intuitive, that's how I got a very strong take.
	And what they've got is a Catholic monastery or something at the top of Montserrat that is in keeping with the whole reptilians who run the Catholic religion.
	So, like, if you're going to put the Vatican in there, you have to put their handlers, or basically the reptilians, underground.
	And it's depicted in all of the, you know, the Catholic, you know, if you look at the Vatican, it's a serpent, they're all serpents.
	That definitely has kind of the intention here of putting, you know, the Draco reptilians as the most important Yes.
	the AT faction in this hierarchy in association with the Vatican.
	But I want to quickly kind of go through the rest of this, just so we get to the top, we get to the end.
	Yes.
	So at the highest level of the extraterrestrial or extra dimensional entities is the dark AI, which you've talked about a ton.
	You talk about in every video.
	I'm in agreement with that, that there's this dematerialized dark AI that's behind a lot of this, and whether that's nanites or dematerialized all the way into another dimension, maybe both.
	That's kind of one of the main problems we have in our part of the universe here.
	And so then the distinction that makes this a little bit different from other ones is that that's kind of the highest level of the negative forces in my opinion.
	But I kind of delineated this line in the middle of the pyramid here or in the middle of the yellow section that above that the middle section there these are kind of like the The good guys.
	And so, you know, maybe not in our sector of the solar system or the universe, you know, the good guys have pretty much kind of lost control.
	But there are good guys in the universe from other star systems that have tried to do projects on Earth and are trying to wrestle Earth back from these reptilians and negative factions.
	Right.
	I mean, this part's really abridged because I didn't even include like the Abahladians because I didn't I didn't want this to be about, like, everything, but, you know, we include essentially Galactic Federation of Light as sort of a blanket term for all of that.
	And then this kind of goes into really the Christian conception, which I'm not even 100% in alignment with.
	But this I feel like it's a decent outline of what's going on in the higher dimensions that to some degree like this may be what's existing at the highest level just what I'm referring to is the angelic realm and the angelic hierarchy that's believed by Christians which goes from you know angels archangels all the way up to thrones cherubim and seraphim and then god the universal creator at the top which has many names in different religions but it's sort of the
	The main idea on earth of one true God, which even that is somewhat debatable, but I had to choose something here.
	And since it's all pyramidal, hierarchical, I just kind of did this, the top piece from the Christian conception.
	Okay, well, I mean, there's two main books that I would say that you might want to consult to get a little bit clearer on, look at that stuff, which would be, one is the Urantia book, which you must know about, and they talk a lot about hierarchies, and they get very into the whole Seraphim, you know, Elohim, and you name it, right?
	They're very into that.
	And also then on the other side is the Ashiana Deen, the two Voyager books.
	And she goes into great detail as through all the different wars with ETs and off-planet races and all the different actually seedings of humanity on Earth.
	And how many of the seedings didn't make it basically.
	So, I think we're supposed to be the 6th seating and we are successful and along the way what they had to do was they actually got at least this is how the story goes that humans wouldn't defend themselves.
	And so they kept, you know.
	Creating the race and then they, you know, lose them to the Draco reptilian.
	So what they got was the reptilian.
	That's where we get our what they call the reptilian brain or and or are, you know, the blue blood reptilian with higher degrees of reptilian genes.
	And that was because to make us fight back and defend ourselves.
	So, at a certain point, this is what happened with the seedings that that gene pool was interjected into our genome.
	Nice!
	Well, thank you so much for adding, you know, more ideas to this chart because definitely all my charts are works in progress perpetually.
	I mean, you've got to release it at some point, but it's always good.
	No, they're very thought-provoking and, you know, obviously you've got a great deal there already.
	So, you know, it's not like they're wrong.
	It's like they can be augmented and certain links up with various Races and various things that you might think are coming from one place are actually derivative of another place, that kind of thing where there's a confusion.
	There's also this very interesting sort of, it could be an alien race that predates the Anunnaki in the Middle East, and they are the giants, but not the giants that were later made physically, but not the giants that were later made physically, but actually a race that came to the planet.
	And there's some reason to believe that they came before the Anunnaki.
	And I found that in each of them.
	It'll be great to really find out our true history, if we ever even do at some point.
	But at least, I mean, I would think that between the intelligence agencies and what the historians have really found, if we really get access to it, you know, that'll at least give us a lot more data to interpret.
	You're never going to know everything about the whole universe, but there's just so much that we know has been censored and kept hidden that I think You I know you talk about a lot of humanity is ready to hear about the 80s and I completely believe that to at least sometimes you just got to rip off the band-aid you know it's like sorry but this is going on and I think I think that we're headed to a big reveal moment at some point in not too near a future of
	something appearing in the skies that's going to have to be acknowledged by the mainstream media, not just a tic tac UFO, but possibly like a battle or a mothership that's going to be undeniable and people are going to really have to you know question those fundamentalist religious belief systems.
	Well, I don't know if you're familiar with Courtney Brown and his remote viewers, but he has a website it's called Barsight.org, okay, and And I've interviewed him several times over the years, and I've also interviewed some of his remote viewers, some of whom have moved on, but they're considered the top remote viewers on the planet, practically.
	So, At any rate, I do go to visit his website to see what they're up to from time to time, and I did subscribe.
	They've got a whole new sort of division that they're doing, which is videos and very interesting, like what they're calling ET news and human news, and basically talking about what their remote viewers are finding in Kind of going out there and looking to see what's active on and off the planet.
	So, recently, one of the things they did was they remote-viewed the AI.
	They found out that the AI incoming, the alien in essence, you might call it alien AI, that has come here, which is actually there's more than one, but nonetheless, it goes back to other galaxies and that this AI has expanded throughout
	taken over in essence other galaxies it's on the way it's it's on the way here on the way to taking over our galaxy and it's only partially complete um this is what the remote viewers found which is quite fascinating i thought and um so that's why this transhuman agenda is so crucial that we if we do deal with ai and ai is here of course and we have so okay according to mark richards any
	Space-faring race creates an artificial intelligence, some type of artificial intelligence, to go out and and transverse outer space.
	But eventually, a lot of times, these civilizations don't outlast their AIs.
	So then you have their AIs are rogue, and they're out sort of going around the multiverse, if you will, or the universe or the galaxies, and sometimes bonding and merging with other AI, And so you can see there's a whole different ballgame going on.
	And one of the things about that is that, according to my sources, we had nine human-derived AIs that were created here.
	But even the ones created here a lot of times were derivative or got their sort of clues on how to do it from Alien AI that was already here left behind ages ago, such as the find at the Nazca Lines.
	You know the Nazca Beings?
	You know that story?
	So, those are robots.
	Those are AI and they came here probably at least 2,000 years ago, maybe more.
	And they don't want that story to get out there, but I have whistleblower testimony on that as well.
	So.
	These are just roads I've gone down, but it's very important to understand that we have then I have a source right now that is.
	He's called Major Solomon Berg and he and the Air Force.
	They captured a Yeti what we or what you call a Sasquatch in the Pacific Northwest and he eventually learned how to communicate with it telepathically.
	So we learned a great deal about their their species and they came here from outer space in a spaceship.
	They tended not to build their own because they'd like to borrow other E.T.' 's spaceships apparently down to E.T.
	and then Repair them and use them to come to go around the universe, but they can also build their own.
	I mean, there's a great deal and I've interviewed him twice so far.
	He's at the moment.
	It seems like he might have disappeared, but I hope not, you know, because I'm still trying to get more information, but he gave me a great deal of information about his perception of what he's in this current secret space program relatively young and he said that there is you know, AI that has been
	is in control of Mars and Earth and that's considered to be a juvenile AI and that it is not that controllable or predictable by the other AIs coming from other planets and so on.
	So it's this is a big game and the idea is that the Illuminati are Getting advised by one AI and the White Hats by another, but there's the thought that there's actually one AI that's in charge of both.
	So, in essence, on a higher level.
	This is the kind of stuff that, you know, goes off into a whole different area.
	Yeah, but I think the good news is that that negative system is clearly having major problems.
	It's about to collapse between the Silicon Valley collapse, Credit Suisse, and now First Republic.
	It's like the writing's on the wall, and I'm hoping that the White House, you know, get their AI on the right program and have a good plan for after this.
	That's my hope, and I think the more people become aware of all of this, that They'll be able to recognize, you know, when they see Maltese crosses and CIA lapel pins that, you know, we need to think for ourselves here and question the AI and be very cautious of even like Facebook, Instagram AIs reading your thoughts because they're in our heads.
	Like, I just had something last night I was thinking of.
	There just popped up an ad that was exactly what I was thinking a minute before and I was just like, so annoying, get out of my head.
	But I think their system is in collapse and it's going to be structured totally differently after this.
	You know, once this all gets messed up and it came from within.
	That's the other thing I want to say is that while most of this is negative and all hierarchical, there's feuds within there, you know, from one generation to the next, you may have different souls incarnating within a bloodline.
	And with a completely different agenda.
	And I think that's maybe how this is getting started.
	We just saw Trump land in Scotland yesterday with like a king's welcoming and the bagpipes.
	And it's just, there is some aspect of him and his whole presence that is beyond the presidency.
	It's like he's, I don't consider him Jesus Christ, but he's almost like a messianic figure.
	And I think he's going to bring huge changes to the world.
	Right and I well I think he already has uh to a degree as well as um certain other key figures like Elon Musk and Tesla and so on um but I think that we are also witnessing a war that's um ongoing and it may be going on for many more years it's it's not as cut and dried as a lot of people think in my view and I you know talk about this but
	Um, I think, you know, it's great, the service that you're doing, it's great that you're inspired to do what you do, and obviously you're getting, you know, your own, I would say, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, some kind of downloads that lead you in certain directions, right?
	Definitely, yeah, definitely.
	Working with the Pleiadians, and I connect with Ashtar Command, I still don't know 100% if it's a real thing or not, but that's kind of just what I've resonated with imagery-wise, and everything I've read from them has really resonated and made sense, and so that's kind of one of my main spirit guides, but I also work with, like, Archangel Michael, Saint Germain, Sananda Jesus Christ, and so it's the good guys, at least from my perception so far, so.
	Okay.
	Yeah, everyone is sort of getting different information from different sectors.
	So it's hard to say.
	I do know that, according to Ashiana Dean, the Galactic Federation has been infiltrated.
	So some of those groups are definitely have chosen to go a negative path.
	And she writes about that if you want to take a look.
	So that's kind of interesting.
	I do want to check out more of that.
	A friend of mine just sent me like a 400 gigabyte database of everything Ashiana Deen.
	So I have access to that.
	I'm going to be investigating that a little bit more.
	But thanks so much for walking through the diagram with me.
	I hope your audience finds it interesting.
	And again, if they want to check out it in more detail, DeepStateMiningProject.com and to find me on Rumble New Templars.
	And we also have a DSMP channel on there as well.
	Okay, excellent.
	And, like I said, you know, it's very fascinating.
	I think we could spend many more hours in discussion on each little area of this chart.
	Definitely could.
	And, you know, you might be able to... You say you've got a video out there that is explaining this chart in particular?
	Yeah, I was actually... I was meant to do an interview with Nicholas Veniamin and do a full walkthrough, and he canceled on me at the last minute.
	Oh, no.
	I'm not sure exactly why.
	I'm sure you guys will get set up again, you know, maybe.
	But yeah, so I did it as a solo walkthrough, and I mean, we did a pretty good walkthrough just then, but I did a lot more detail, like an hour and a half of just pure walkthrough, and so they can check that out.
	It's on both of my Rumble channels.
	Excellent.
	Okay, very good.
	And your Rumble channel, is it called Deep State Mapping, or?
	I have that one, and New Templars is kind of my main one where I post more of my interviews and political current event commentary.
	DSMP is more for diagrams specifically, and Expo Presentations is more like just for that project.
	OK, because obviously people can go there and get more information about what you're doing and subscribe and all of that.
	So that'd be really good.
	And we'll put that on the page where this interview is going to be embedded on my website as well.
	And you're going to have a copy as well.
	So obviously we can put in the lower part your links, you know, so people can find you.
	OK.
	All right.
	Am I going to see you at Trump Doral next week?
	Oh, no, actually, I am going on a trip, but it's not to do with that.
	So, yeah, well, I don't know.
	I hope to see you at another Truth Expo sometime this year.
	Well, I have put sort of the word out that I'd be willing to talk it at those.
	I guess those are the Clay Clark Mm-hmm.
	Okay, so... Oh, they won't let me talk.
	I'm going there as an attendee.
	They won't let me talk or vent, but I'm like... Really?
	Okay, let's do that.
	All right, I just want to meet some people and try to have fun.
	Yeah, no, I think that'd be great.
	They don't want anything to do with aliens.
	Most of those events are held at churches, so they're a little bit in the box, but it is General Flynn.
	It's like the original 17th Army, so we're gonna go there and see what level they're on.
	Right.
	Well, I think Juan has been talking about it and some other people.
	I think Nino just said he wants to go, so it'll be a lot of fun.
	I think you guys will connect with some great people.
	Enjoy and uh yeah we'll see what happens and maybe that is one of the reasons why they they don't invite me to speak.
	I don't know.
	Stop talking about spider beings too much.
	Yeah they don't want to talk about spider being as much as you want on my channel.
	I you know I'm just fascinated like most people just talk about the greys and maybe the reptilians and the pleiadians but there's a lot of other stuff out there.
	There are.
	Just to be aware of it and especially the AI aspect which most people forget about Well, that's coming front and center right now, so it's getting more and more sort of eyeballs on it.
	So, inevitably, that conversation is going to expand.
	Thank you again for being on the show.
	I'm sorry for the late start.
	You know, this is Mercury Retrograde, and I guess that was interfering.
	There's some kind of mechanical thing with my computer all of a sudden.
	Typical.
	But anyway, great to have you on the show and connect with you again.
	So we'll be in touch and let's stay in touch.
	And when you have something new or what you think is groundbreaking, I'd be happy to have you back anytime.
	Awesome.
	Well, it's good to hear from you again as well.
	And best of luck.
	I can't wait to see your Egypt documentary.
	I'll be happy to share that on my channel as well.
	Okay.
	Very good.
	Excellent.
	All right, everyone.
	Thanks for watching.
	Take care.

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