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Nov. 18, 2020 - Project Camelot
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TERRY LOVELACE : ABDUCTION AND CONTACT
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Thank you.
Hi, everyone.
I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.
I'm very happy to be here today.
So I have a fascinating guest as always and this is Terry Loveless.
Terry say hello.
Hello everyone, it's a great pleasure to be here.
And it's a great pleasure to have you here because I've read your book, as you know, and I'm very thrilled with it.
I think it's quite excellent, and I'm happy to do an update with you.
We've done a previous interview, for those of you who don't know that, it's available on my YouTube channel.
And so today is going to be an update on what's going on since we last talked, which may even be a year ago, right?
Yeah, maybe even closer to a year and a half, yeah.
Right, with the whole COVID thing.
Yeah, right.
But it's great to have you here.
So, at any rate, can you talk about what's going on with you?
And actually, before you do that, let me just read this very...
You can go to my website.
If you're not watching this on my website, his bio, his links to his website and his books are all on my website under the post that says Terry Loveless.
So...
He's a best-selling author and he's a 64-year-old lawyer, former assistant attorney general.
And in 2012, a routine x-ray found an anomalous bit of metal the size of a fingernail with two tiny wires attached.
And that led to his investigation into his own past with the Air Force in which he was abducted along with a good friend of his, And all of that, I guess, happened in between 1973 and 1979, it looks like.
And then the rest of the bio is there.
So we can actually go from here, and I'd like you to give us the update, but maybe summarize yourself and your background before you do that.
Sure, certainly.
Briefly.
Again, my name is Terry Lovelace.
I graduated from high school in St.
Louis, Missouri in 1973.
I enlisted in the United States Air Force and spent the next six years on active duty as an enlisted guy.
I was a medic, first responder, EMT. For all six years, I spent all six years at a SAC base, a Strategic Air Command Base.
It was a nuclear base with B-52s and Minutemen 2 ICBM missiles.
And I worked with a friend of mine.
I called Tobias.
He was Toby.
And Toby and I worked together the night shift, 11 p.m.
till 7 in the morning.
Best of friends.
And one evening in 1977, we were working and my friend said, hey, I got an idea, man.
Let's go camping.
And this led to the biggest misadventure of my lifetime.
We drove six hours south to Devil's Den State Park, which is just on the other side of the Missouri border in Arkansas.
And we didn't want to stay in a campground.
We wanted to be real outdoorsmen.
And my friend heard that there was a plateau Back in a kind of a remote part of the park, and that's where we went.
Long story short, we saw a giant triangular-shaped UFO. It took us from our tent while we were sleeping.
We lost about either five or six hours.
It's impossible to tell.
Both of our watches had stopped at 240.
But gauging on The time that we, you know, fled for our lives, ran out of the park, must have been around 5, 5.30 a.m., because sunrise was shortly thereafter.
So, major event changer.
I mean, it changed the course of my entire life.
And, you know, it's changed it in many ways since I published the book in 2018 and told the story.
And changed my life in ways I had not imagined.
And introduced me to people I never thought I'd meet.
And just a lot of crazy things.
Okay, so you've been out on the scene, so to speak, since you published your book, which is, as you say, I think, is it a year and a half or is it two years ago now?
And it's a best-selling book on Amazon.
I think it continues to be, right?
I think so.
Usually in the top 100.
I've got over 400 reviews, and I'm at 4.6, so I'm happy with that.
Right.
And it's very well written.
Thank you.
It's excellent, excellent.
Really, I mean, a lawyer writing about an abduction that happened to himself when he was a young man is a really sort of key...
Excellent credibility-wise witness, etc.
So it's really great to have that documentation out there.
So let's talk about what has happened to you since then, because I know that you have been kind of out there doing various conferences and this and that, and you may have been approached by various people.
But you were told by the ETs, as I recall, that you should not publish the book.
And you went ahead and did it anyway.
So can you kind of describe and bring us up to date?
I sure can.
I sure can.
Yeah.
Yeah, I was advised not to speak publicly or publish the book.
And when I asked why, I was given a vague answer and that was that there are things in the book that you don't realize the importance of that will cause you trouble in your life.
So that's about as vague as answers you can get.
So I really didn't know.
But I decided I wanted to do it anyway.
And there were some peculiar consequences.
In April of 2018, I got a phone call.
This is just maybe 45 days after it hit Amazon.
I got a call from Tom DeLonge from To The Stars Academy.
And it was he, I believe Lou Elizondo, and maybe Hal Puthoff on a conference call.
And we discussed my book and Tom said that he had read it.
He wanted to see about maybe making arrangements for surgical removal of the thing in my leg.
And I told him, I said, well, the thing below my leg is still there.
It's still there today.
The thing above my leg had been removed by ET. That's kind of a 30-minute story.
But I'll skip over that.
Okay, so that's interesting.
So you had gone to the doctor, and the way you kind of triggered your major memory was by going to the doctor and finding out that you were, in essence, that there was something in your leg, right, that had been interfering, I think, when you were running, as I recall, or at least you became aware of it.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, I started running when I got out of the Air Force in 1979, and I was a pretty proficient I shouldn't say proficient, prolific runner for the next 40 years.
I mean, I didn't run marathons, but I ran nearly every day four or five miles.
And from 1979 through 2005, when I quit running, every time I would hit the two mile mark in my run, there was an area just above my knee and to the right, kind of lateral, that would go completely numb.
I mean, I could take a pen and delineate the circular outline of it.
And that would fade after about 30 minutes.
But it happened every single time.
And I went to my doctor.
My doctor said, ah, it's probably a histemic reaction.
If it doesn't interfere with your run, I wouldn't worry about it.
So I didn't worry about it until I saw the x-ray.
When I saw the x-ray, I realized that the thing above my leg lay directly underneath that area that I refer to as the numb spot.
So there had to be a correlation between the two.
I never had any intentions of writing a book or speaking publicly until I saw that x-ray in 2012.
And that just opened the doorway for dreams and flashbacks and just made a huge impact in my life.
Okay, now you started out by saying that Tom DeLonge contacted you and Luis Elizondo, the two of the stars, kind of unusual suspects that I call them.
Anyway, so they contacted you and they wanted to look at taking, removing the implant in your lower leg, but it sounds like you didn't do that.
So can you explain why?
Yeah, actually it was the one in the top above my leg.
The one above my leg was about the size of a fingernail with two wires attached to it.
And the same entity that came and told me not to speak and not to write the book warned me that if I did, that what she referred to as her host Which I thought was a curious choice of words.
I mean, host can be a noun, it can be a verb, you can host a dinner party, you can be a parasitic symbiotic relationship.
I mean, there's all kinds of meanings to the word host.
And I asked her, what do you mean host?
And her response was, you call them aliens to me, I call them my host.
They're not alien to me, which I thought was kind of poetic.
She said they would come and take that thing out.
And I had had trouble because I have a bad heart.
And to get a surgeon to take this thing out of my leg, I needed a cardiac clearance letter.
And no cardiologist would clear me for the surgery.
Because it's a risk-benefit analysis.
This thing's been in my leg for God knows how long.
It's never caused me any trouble.
You know, it's like 500,000 vets walking around out there with shrapnel in their body.
Yeah, they'd like to have that removed too, but risk-benefit analysis says better to leave it lay.
So I could not yet.
Matter of fact, I was in contact with a, I forget the city in Mexico, south of San Diego, with a surgeon there who was going to do it for me.
And we're planning to do it at the end of November in 2017.
And on November 17th, just before we were going to go to Mexico, I woke up one morning and had terrible pain in my right leg.
And actually it was at the top of my leg.
It wasn't in my knee area where the implant was.
And I don't understand that, but who knows how these things work.
So I told my wife, I said, you know, they hurt me last night and I need to get an x-ray.
So, you know, where do you go to get an x-ray, man?
You can't walk into a stand-alone radiology clinic and just order an x-ray.
So I went to a chiropractor's office.
And I took, on photocopy papers, copies showing these implants in my leg.
And I thought, you know, chiropractors see 100 x-rays a week.
And I told the chiropractor, he asked me, well, what hurts?
And I said, well, my leg hurts.
And he wanted to look at it.
And there were just two puncture wounds then.
Later, there came out some bruising in a peculiar shape.
Okay, sorry to interrupt you here.
You've got a cat that's crying in the background.
I do.
I'm sorry.
Is there anybody in the house that can...
You know, feed your cat or let them out or do whatever has to be done because everyone in the chat is worried about the cat and it's distracting.
And I'm so sorry.
Let me take care of her just for a second.
I have someone here that can do that, who should be doing that, so I apologize.
No worries.
Just concerned over the kitty.
Okay, and then the other thing, I guess some people are saying I don't know if anyone is hearing any kind of other sound.
I'm supposed to ask.
I actually have someone monitoring the sound and there might be some extraneous noise, but I don't know about whether there's any other extraneous noises, but anyway.
Excellent.
There we go.
She's well fed, I promise.
I apologize.
People always think the worst when they hear an animal, but it comes from a good place.
So anyway, you were right in the middle of discussing your visit to the chiropractor.
So go ahead and continue with that.
Yeah, well, I told the chiropractor I need to have this leg x-rayed.
He said, well, how'd you get hurt?
And I told him, I said, well, doctor, I believe that last night, in the middle of the night, alien beings came and took this implant out of my leg that you see here on this piece of paper.
And he didn't really look at it.
And he's got me by the elbow.
He's walking me toward the front door because he thinks I'm a madman.
And I'm holding this piece of paper up in front of his face.
And I said, doctor, please look at this.
And he stopped and he did look at it.
And he says, come with me.
And he took me into his office.
I said, have a seat.
And you know, people are knocking on his door and his phone's ringing.
And I put the two pieces of paper down where you could see the artifact above my leg and the one below.
And he says, tell me about these.
And I told him real quick.
I said, I got abducted in 1977 while I was active duty in the Air Force.
I was remote camping in an area in northwest Arkansas.
And I believe I carried these things with me ever since.
And I think they came and took it out last night.
He didn't hesitate.
He pulled out a script and said, I'm going to write you a script for an x-ray.
We don't have x-ray equipment here, but there's a standalone clinic just a couple blocks away.
He said, I'll pay for your x-ray.
He said, just promise me you won't use my name or my clinic's name in your book and that I get to see the x-rays.
And I gave him my promise.
I kept my promise.
So I got the x-ray and the thing above my knee was gone.
And I thought, well, you know, that's kind of good news and bad news.
It's bad news in that I wanted to get it and have it in my hand.
I wanted to own it.
I didn't want them to just take it from me.
So I dropped the x-rays off, and he called me later that night.
He said, well, I guess you saw your x-rays.
I said, yeah, you know, it's good news, bad news.
And he says, well, you see, they left you something.
And I said, no, I didn't.
I don't know how to read an x-ray, unless it's real blatant.
And he says, yeah, they left two little wires in your leg that don't belong there, right next to your femur, lying parallel with your femur, about a quarter inch long, and they're very tiny in diameter.
And I said, well, doctor, if these things are so above us, evolutionary-wise, intellectual-wise, why would they be so inept as to do that?
And he says, well, I don't think you understand.
I don't think they do anything by accident.
He says, what they did was they gave you an upgrade from a 1977 model to a 2017 model.
Right.
Okay, so it's two wires now, and I assume those wires are still there?
They are.
Okay, so did you report that to Tom DeLonge and his crew?
I did.
I did.
They were kind of disappointed, but they wanted to see the x-rays.
And we went back and forth with some telephone conversations, and there's a medical doctor affiliated with the TTSA, who you probably know, but I'd rather not name because he was very kind to me.
He helped me verify through x-rays that through getting some other x-rays, he was able to triangulate and tell exactly where these things were in my leg before they were taken out.
So...
Yeah, so I'd rather not mention his name, but he came and spent two days with me in Dallas and got some fresh x-rays.
Okay, and I assume that it didn't bother you anymore, right?
No, it didn't.
And to be candid, I wouldn't know anyway because I... The only way it would bother me would be if I were running.
And after 2005...
I'm having someone ask if you could move a little bit back from your mic.
I guess there's a little bit of, you know, I don't know, breathing hard on the mic or whatever.
I don't hear it, but the person monitoring the sound, sorry about that.
So to get back, you were saying about...
The fact that it didn't bother you anymore, and you went back and forth with, I guess, Tom DeLonge's team on that?
Yeah.
I went back and forth with Tom DeLonge's team, and then that kind of quieted down the latter part of 2017.
I don't know if you remember, I was on your show December 7th, 2017.
Right.
And I woke up the next morning with this Horrific thing.
Giant hematoma on the side of my abdomen.
And I ended up going to the hospital for it.
And I had two blood vessels and my abdomen burst.
And I was hospitalized for three days and luckily didn't have to go to surgery for it.
Well, here's hoping nothing happens to you today.
You know what I'm saying.
I mean, Obviously, the 18s were messing with you.
Now, I'm just curious, in terms of what we're talking about here, does it occur to you at all, or, you know, did you absolutely discount this idea that the military was also involved in the abduction?
Because now, as I recall, you did You were brought onto a kind of a ship, as you said, and you saw, I think you said you saw Air Force personnel on that ship.
So would you say that your abduction was both what we call a my lab as well as an ET abduction?
I think so.
I think so.
Now, the human beings, I saw a variety of different species of entities on board this ship.
But I saw, and at the time, Toby and I were both paralyzed.
We could move only our eyes.
We saw six or seven human beings, as human as you or I. They looked to be our age back at the time, you know, 19 to 22.
They had military style haircuts.
They wore tan colored flight suits, which weren't issued in the United States Air Force or any other Air Force that I'm aware of.
They had orange insignias on their left shoulder.
But unfortunately, with my limited sight and mobility in my head, I couldn't turn my head to see.
And they were too far away for me to see what was on that emblem.
I would have loved to have seen what that emblem said.
But in particular, they were military-issue combat boots.
They were the same boots I wore.
And that's what makes me think that they were...
You know, connected to us.
I mean, humanity, some kind of way.
They weren't extraterrestrial.
I never heard them speak.
They never looked in our direction.
They were crew people.
They belong there.
They work there.
All right.
Now, I know that you wanted to give us an update, and I think I do want to delve into this story, you know, because there's always more questions that one can ask about this.
Quite a complex story, actually.
And because I know it quite well, I would love to do that.
So, but first I want to make sure that we get to your update.
So what, you know, what specifically update wise did you want to share?
A couple things.
And this one is so cliche, I mean it's almost embarrassing to say, but it's true.
It's true and I have proof.
In late January of 2018, April, right after I published the book, right after I talked to Tom DeLonge, My wife and I noticed these helicopters flying over our house.
And like I said, I know that sounds cliche, but it was true.
And at first, you know, it was kind of a joke, you know, like what, they reroute the traffic copter or something.
But I noticed that there was a pattern.
It would always come between 9 and 11 a.m., always on a weekday, and usually three times a week.
Now, between 9 and 11 a.m.
in my old house, When I would hear the helicopter, I'd run outside with my camera, which I abandoned for the phone.
I couldn't keep focused with the camera.
The phone worked better.
I tried to take a picture, but there was a big tree to my left and then the morning sun to my right.
So my field of view was limited to about 180 degrees.
And I could hear them, but I really couldn't see them until they came and circled around the other side of my house.
And I thought, well, you know, I know.
I went and I looked up the law, because I know the law.
Other CFR 45, I believe it is.
A federal aviation regulation that says that helicopters must display an N, the alphabetical symbol N, like Nancy, followed by a numerical sequence that identifies that particular vehicle.
So I thought, well, I'll get photographs and find out who is harassing me, because it started out as kind of an annoyance, but then they started flying like donuts around my house, and I started getting closer.
And I could actually see the pilots.
As a matter of fact, I saw the pilot once.
I looked at him, I'm taking his picture and he had black gloves on and a white helmet, which is important, I'll get to that.
He kind of took his finger and pointed it at me.
He was that close that I could see that.
So I'm taking pictures of these helicopters and I'm taking them inside and I'm blowing them up to see an N number somewhere.
And there are no in numbers.
There's no markings on these helicopters of any kind.
And there were three different varieties.
There was an Airbus 350, Robertson R-22s, and then a little bigger R-44s, and then a whole variety of military helicopters.
And they had some odd hardware on the bottom and on the front.
Things that looked like a spotlight, but were We're not a spotlight, I'm told.
They were just something unidentifiable.
I have a friend, his name is Dr.
Bruce Solheim.
He's a very good psychic, actually.
Oh, I think I read his book as well.
Yeah, yeah, he's a good friend.
I had him on the show a while ago.
Bruce Sondheim.
Is that it?
Yes, yes, Bruce Solheim.
Yes, yes, great guy.
But, you know, he's a former army helicopter pilot.
And he's married to a helicopter instructor.
So I sent him, I had photographed 168 of these things over an eight month span and I sent all these photographs to him and he was able to identify them and identify that they had some not exactly stock modifications made to them and so you know sent them back to me and validated that yeah there are no markings on these and Therefore, they have to be...
Because the rule says, if you're a civilian, you must display that N number.
But at the bottom of the law, there are some exemptions.
And United States government-owned vehicles to certain agencies are exempt.
Right.
So there you go.
Okay, so they're monitoring you on a regular basis over the last...
And you took...
An astonishing number of pictures.
Is it still going on today, or did it stop?
It stopped.
Lou Elizondo came out and spent two days with me because he wanted to see them.
And he did get to see them.
Twice.
And he filmed my story, not for the television program, but just for His purposes.
For training the military?
No, just kidding.
Go ahead.
He had an interesting experience.
His cameraman, a really nice guy, a young guy, obviously knew what he was doing, started filming me and his battery dropped to zero.
And he said, oh man, that's strange.
Hang on.
He said, I got a six-pack in the car.
And he went out and brought in some more batteries.
Popped a new one in, filmed me for about four minutes, and that battery drained to zero.
Right.
And I said, well, welcome to my house.
So we have the military and we have what appears to be some ET interference going on.
Yeah.
You asked me if it stopped.
It did stop abruptly.
We moved.
My wife was so rattled by this.
And I was too.
I can't just say her.
We were both rattled.
So we sold her home.
She really didn't want to.
We did it anyway.
We had no house in the house.
We moved just a few miles away.
And of course, The first night in our new home, we woke up at 9 a.m.
to hear that, you know, the familiar thump, thump, thump, thump.
I ran outside in my nightclothes with my camera.
And right 400 feet over our house is a big green military helicopter.
Wow.
And as soon as I run to the front yard, it peels off.
And that's the last time...
I think that was just telling you...
That was a message to us that we know where you're at.
And that peeled off and was gone.
And...
Only an occasional flyby, but they haven't really harassed us.
But the harassment changed.
It got different.
A lot of funny things go on electronically that I won't go into.
Phones, computers, that kind of stuff.
You know what I mean.
Yes, I do.
Very unfortunately speaking.
But let me ask you if Is the place you moved to, does it have different flight rules and regulations, I wonder, that would have kept them from being able to sort of monitor you using a helicopter?
That's a great question, because we do.
We're on a flight path for Love Field in Dallas.
And so we have, you know, passenger aircraft, commercial aircraft fly over us all the time.
So I think that you hit the nail on the head.
I think that that is what interferes with their...
But you know, there were other ways.
You know, for instance, I drove down to Houston, which is a little over a four-hour drive, to speak to their MUFON group down there.
And had a silver Lexus kind of follow us most of the way down there.
I told my wife, I said, I think this thing's following us.
And she's like, well get off the highway, see if they get off too.
I got off the highway, they got off too.
I got back on the highway, they got back on too.
And I'd slow down, they'd slow down, they'd never pass me.
So, where were you headed again?
From Dallas south to Houston, a little over a four-hour drive.
Okay, was there any, I mean, are you able to disclose why you were going to that, going there?
Oh, sure.
I was going to speak to the Houston MUFON group, Steve Bates.
Okay, and so you were followed?
On the way down and on the way back.
On the way back, we were followed by a white van.
So we have more than one team operating because MUFON, as you know, is totally infiltrated and run basically by the CIA. So the people that are following you wouldn't have to follow you.
They know exactly where you're going in theory, right?
Unless they're just trying to rattle you so that when you arrive at your destination, you would be maybe nervous and not able to give your presentation That's right.
Any thoughts on why they would be following you?
I think it's intimidation.
I think it's a substitute for the helicopter.
I really do.
You know, I had...
I don't know if it was the same, but it was a similar silver Lexus.
We live in a kind of a small subdivision with limited number of houses, and there's no drive-through.
You kind of have to go back in here.
You have to be intentional.
To get back into where we live.
And I noticed one day that there's a silver Lexus parked across the street from us.
And, you know, with blacked out windows, right?
And it would be there all day and sometimes into the evening and then drive away.
So this goes on and off four or five times a week, same car.
And finally I get Aggravated.
I took my phone and my pistol, I mean we are in Texas after all, and I went out and I knocked on the window, passenger side window, and there were two guys in suits and the guy rolled it down just about two inches and just looked at me and I said, yeah, how you doing?
What are you guys doing sitting in front of my house?
He rolled the window up and they drove away.
And of course, I got a picture of the license plate.
And with my friends in law enforcement, we had it traced.
It's a rental from Dallas, Dallas-Fort Worth Airport.
Yeah, so who did they work for?
That's the question.
That would have been my question.
Who do you work for?
I think next time you come across these people, you should ask them that.
But not that they'll necessarily tell you, but they might.
So, okay, but did they come back?
No, they had not come back.
Okay, when was that?
That was July of this year.
Hmm.
That's really interesting.
So, did you have any ET visitations during that time or after that time?
After that time.
Well, I should say before and after.
I don't know if I sent you photographs of my phone app or not.
Um...
I have an iPhone 6.
Going back to the 80's when I had a Walkman, I used to listen with headphones.
My routine is to listen to meditative apps when I go to sleep at night.
And because ambient noises drive me crazy.
So I sleep with this in a t-shirt pocket connected to my earbuds, and I listen to meditative apps or sometimes just music, and it helps me sleep.
And on April 16th of 2019, last year, I woke up at 5.55 a.m., I remember that was a triple digit number as Robert Hastings pointed out to me.
And I was out of breath.
I couldn't breathe.
I was out of breath.
I felt like I'd run a hundred yards.
And I didn't have any chest pain, but my earbuds were on my chest.
My phone was still in my pocket.
And I told my wife, I think I'm having some kind of event.
I think you should call an ambulance.
And she did.
So guys came, took my blood pressure.
It was insane.
It was like 220 over 110.
I was tachycardic.
My pulse was through the roof.
My oxygen saturation was 94.
It should have been at least 99.
So they took me to the hospital.
Gave me some oxygen in the ambulance.
By the time I get to the hospital, I'm like 95% recovered.
So, you know, I've had heart attacks before.
I know the routine.
You know, cardiac enzymes and EKG and a chest x-ray.
So they did that.
And the doctor came in and said, you know, you're fine.
All of your labs came back normal.
Your x-ray looks fine.
Your EKG is unchanged since the one you had, say, seven months ago.
He said, if you're feeling stable, I'm going to, you know, cut you loose after about seven hours of being there.
He said, I think maybe you may have had just an odd beat.
And he had some other suggestions I won't go into.
But anyway, he cut me loose and sent me home.
Got home and felt normal.
And that evening I went out for my usual walk after dinner.
I usually do just a Half mile or a mile walk.
Hold that thought.
I'm sorry.
I know this is weird, but I don't hear anything unusual.
But apparently people in the chat and the person monitoring is hearing a buzzing sound.
And some people think, I don't know, that it could have to do with maybe there's a ship in the vicinity near your house right now.
But we want to do an experiment.
So can you take your headphones off?
Absolutely.
Just, yeah, just remove your headphones and just go ahead and continue to talk.
I guess, I think that's gonna...
Yeah, does that make a difference at all that you can tell?
Maybe it'll be better.
I don't know.
So, okay, so you're at the doctor and basically he's sending you home.
Right, so here's where the unusual enters.
When I get to the sidewalk after dinner, I turn on my health app And I see I've walked like 200 steps all day because I've been in the hospital.
And also, there's a readout for steps climbed.
And it showed that I climbed six flights of stairs at 524 a.m.
Right.
And I climb those six flights between 523 and 524.
Normally if I climb six flights of stairs, because I can't do it like a marathon runner, on the y-axis down below where it goes from left to right with the passage of time, you'll see like a stair step type readout on the graph.
Because the graph goes vertically 10 feet for each flight of stairs.
But I had one single red bar go straight up six flights or 60 feet.
So I thought, well, that's crazy.
For one thing, and it has to be malfunction, I was sound asleep beside my wife at 524 AM. I didn't get up till 555.
So I took my phone to T-Mobile and I asked these guys, this is what I got, what does this mean?
And I was, they looked at it and the guy at T-Mobile said, Well, it means to me you were between 523 and 524.
Within that one minute period, you were 60 feet over your house.
Oh, right.
That's great.
But he suggested I go to Apple, which I followed up.
I went to Apple.
They told me the same thing.
And they found no malfunction with the phone whatsoever.
So I think they took me that night.
Okay, now what date would that be?
April 16th, 2019.
Okay.
Now...
Is there any way you can turn the fan off?
And I'm sorry, this is...
Oh, yeah, sure.
No, easy, easy, easy.
People are having...
Now they're saying it's not the headphones, it's the fan.
Sorry about this.
No, no, no worries.
I don't know what they're hearing because I don't hear it.
Okay, it seems like you're not really bothered by it either, but...
There could be, you know, this is an interference pattern.
Now, whether it shows up on the recording that we're doing, I don't know.
So far, I would assume that it's recording what I'm hearing.
But I guess we're going to find that out.
I unplug my headphones and see if that makes a difference.
Okay.
So just continue on.
So this story that you create, you're telling us, Since 2019, did this sort of incident ever happen again to where you were able to track, you know, that you did a bunch of movement that then wasn't actually, that you weren't aware of, but so on?
Did any of, you know, because this is kind of a good monitoring system of your own, right?
It is.
So would you say that this ever happened again?
No, never.
I mean, it was a one-on.
And I check my app every day because I do my walk every day.
And no, it's never happened.
Okay.
All right.
So now, in terms of...
Let me ask you, have we gotten to the end of your update or is there more?
There is a little bit more.
Okay, go ahead then.
...that I should explain.
On November 21st of...
2019, I was in this room, what I call my study office, whatever, and I was working on something, and I had what I believed to be the second visitation from Betty.
That was the entity that was in my house that gave me the warning.
And I believe that I saw her that night at 3.30am.
I don't think this was a dream.
I think this was reality.
I saw her in here and I felt that calm sensation.
Wash over me.
And I'm familiar with the feeling.
I've had it enough times by now.
But it's a semi-sedation.
It's so I don't freak out or...
And I didn't.
And I recognized her and I actually was kind of glad to see her.
And...
You know, it's odd because I recognize her, without the wig and glasses, as the same entity that used to take me when I was between four and eight years old as a child.
That used to be present.
So that kind of explains that maternal feeling of affection for her.
So, and she communicates telepathically, and my first thought was, why are you here?
And the reply that she gave me was, it's nice to see you again too.
And I said, yes, being civil, you know, it's nice to see you.
Why are you here?
And she told me that, well, she told me a couple things.
She told me that the world was gonna change, And it was going to change on February 1st, and on February 2nd, it would be a new world.
Of 2020?
Of 2020.
So, do you think she was talking about the COVID thing?
Absolutely.
Right.
I'm not sure that makes it a new world.
I mean, I understand people have said that.
I think new means different, not renewed.
It just strikes me as a bit extreme to make that indicate a new world.
That's not a new world as far as I'm concerned.
But anyway, okay, so now, certainly people wearing masks, I mean, it makes a big impression and all that.
Okay, go ahead.
So this person was, I mean, this being, was talking to you in what month exactly?
It was November 21st, 2019.
Okay, so right before the 2020, so in February.
And she was relatively accurate.
That's about when the whole announcement started coming out and all that.
Well, I'm not the only one that received that message.
Kevin Briggs from Florida received the same message.
Same dates.
From her or his?
From his handlers.
What is his handlers?
Is his handler ET or...
yours is a hybrid, I assume.
So is his also a hybrid?
Those are ET's.
They're different from Betty.
You know, they've been visiting him since they were 14.
He has more of a dialogue established with these beings where I don't.
I don't have, you know, a line of communication.
I just get what I get when I get it, which is pretty rare.
But...
I did have, oh, by the way, Whitley.
I talked about this with Leslie Kane and I told her what had happened.
And I said, you know, you know Whitley.
I mean, I met Whitley and got to know him in Pine Ridge last year, 2019.
And I asked Leslie, I said, you know, Why don't you ask him if he has any thoughts about 2020, but don't give him that date.
Don't say February.
Don't lead him in any way.
So she texted me back and said, yeah, Whitley says February 2020.
Whitley's last book is titled A New World, coincidentally.
Okay, well, maybe I should check that out.
For some reason, Whitley won't talk to me.
And that's an interesting dynamic.
But, you know, as far as I know, I never did anything to offend him.
But at any rate, what I wonder is the assumption then that his contacts are saying the same thing yours are.
That's the assumption.
I mean, we don't have a real talking relationship either.
That's why I approached him through Leslie Kane.
We spent time together at Pine Ridge and had some amazing experiences including a UFO and some visions by Whitley that were pretty incredible.
So, yeah.
All right, so they were right about February.
Anything else that they might have mentioned?
Like, who's going to win the election?
You know, we're in this incredible voter fraud dynamic.
So is that the last time you saw them?
And that would be 2019.
Since then?
Since then, I've not seen Betty, but I have had this incredible spike in my intuition.
Okay.
And let me tell you how good my spike in my intuition has been.
I started buying some food and water just on impulse compulsion in January.
And January 31st, I sold...
A bunch of industrials, a bunch of stocks that I'd owned for years and had no intention of ever selling.
I sold them.
I sold them and I bought Moderna, Gilead, Abbott Labs, Pfizer, and two others, I can't think of off the top of my head.
I bought all pharmaceuticals and they've done very well for me.
And that was, I'm not a stock person.
I mean, I'm not, I'm not in tune with that.
But I feel like these things were whispered in my ear.
I know that sounds crazy, but I had a similar thing happen back a couple years ago when I had a compulsion to buy Bitcoin, which is not the kind of thing that I would do.
I'm not a huge risk taker, but it turned out to be a good thing.
Same with Tesla.
Tesla when it was cheap on a compulsion.
And, you know, I kept seeing a Tesla car everywhere I looked and just started to obsess over Tesla.
And, you know, I can't say that I audibly heard anything, but yeah, I think somebody whispered this in my ear.
Okay, now somebody's asking me if your microphone is plugged in Is it plugged in or not?
It is.
Can you unplug it?
I'm sorry to keep doing this, but I'm being told there are so many issues.
I'm so sorry.
Again, this is so bizarre because I have no issues whatsoever.
I normally don't either.
I used this yesterday without any issues whatsoever.
Yeah, but it may be because it's me and my audience.
My audience is quite astute, and I'm sure that scares them, and they don't want you to be doing a good job, but you are.
So, in terms of...
Okay, so you bought these stocks and you obviously profited.
So someone's trying to help you along.
But that doesn't quite answer my question.
So your intuition has gone up.
But you haven't had any more visitations from Betty.
Have you had any other abduction visitation type things this year, 2020?
No.
Sure.
To your knowledge.
And do you ever...
Along with your abductions, do you ever get a sense, like, you know, I'll just say, I get skin, you know, where they scrape the skin, these little white marks.
So I know that I've been visited when I see a new white mark kind of thing.
Do you get any of that?
I do, but I don't get white marks.
I get a line of tiny puncture marks either on my arm or on my leg.
I've got a collection of photographs of them going back years.
Right, but in the last year?
In the last year I've had, yes, several incidents of that.
Oh, you have.
Well, then you have been abducted.
Yeah, I mean, I can't say that.
I can say that...
You don't have a memory is what you're trying to tell me.
Yeah, that's right.
I see.
Okay.
So now the person is saying that unplugging your mic seemed to have worked.
But, you know, this is how they work.
ET, especially gray ETs, affect electronics.
That's, you know, what they do.
That's one of their tactics.
But so does the, you know, the military.
So depending on who is trying to interfere, they'll probably, you know, if they need to, they'll find another way.
But at any rate, good to know.
So...
In terms of this last, you know, situation that we're in, the whole election, the next couple of months are very kind of tense in our country.
Are you getting anything or are they, you know, do you feel like you're being downloaded information, that sort of stuff?
I do.
Specifically, around the time of, well, maybe two weeks, three weeks before George Floyd's unfortunate death, I was told that there would be civil unrest.
I had...
I just...
I mean, the thought just is in my mind, and it's a compulsion.
And I had dreams that went along with it that showed rioting, marching, whatever.
And the message was, be prepared for civil unrest.
And I, you know, I did some security things around my house, and I was told something else, too.
And We'll see.
I'm not like Dr.
Solheim.
I'm not psychic.
I hate to be in the prediction business.
I don't know how to discern what's my thought and what may be a download or what may be Or implanted.
I understand.
But you can share something by saying, you know, I don't know if this is true or not, but I got this.
And that basically lets you off the hook.
I don't think people are going to hold you to anything, but I think it will be interesting if you can say something and then it turns out true.
Yeah.
Was that At the inauguration, it will neither be Trump nor Biden.
So are you thinking Kamala?
You know, that's all the information I had.
Well, I've got someone else saying that, by the way.
And I myself have been getting a very uncomfortable feeling about that.
I hope that it's wrong.
Let me tell you, because I'm very, very concerned that I want it to be, you know, Trump, obviously.
There's a very important reason.
Now, I don't, you know, maybe there's a good side of that.
It could be, you know, John F. Kennedy Jr., in which case, you know, I'd be delighted.
So I really hope, you know, that could be the case.
But I know a lot of Democrats that voted specifically for Biden because they literally believe he'll die before the inauguration and Kamala will take office.
So there's also that side of the story.
But I also have someone who's quite psychic who has contacted me to say, they didn't tell me specifically, but I've gotten my own information as well.
And so I don't think you're that far off the mark.
It's being put out there.
That doesn't make it true, okay?
Because this is how they work.
They have a vested interest in misleading people, actually, no matter how they do it, right?
So it could be just a misdirect or it could turn out to be accurate.
And so it's worthwhile being aware of it.
I'm taking it on board if you think it has merit and following, you know, connecting the dots and following the story, which is what I do anyway.
So I would, you know, I appreciate that.
I know you're, I know you're not, we're not trying to get a prediction out of you, but I have to say that I've gotten the same thing.
So because other certain contacts, you know, a very limited number.
Are also getting that.
And I think, you know, there's something in the offing that is very, you know, unstable right now.
That's what I get.
And so go ahead.
I just might ask you and ask your audience for that matter.
I mean, my circadian rhythm is like...
Shot.
It's crazy.
I go to bed at 6 p.m.
I wake up at 2 a.m.
It's just strange.
I agree.
I mean, I'm a creature of habit.
And I know when I go to bed, I know when I get up.
And it's not like what I'm doing now.
It's just crazy.
Yeah.
I've been like that for quite a long time.
But I can say that it is, you know, it's very strong right now.
This sort of, I stay up.
I sleep at weird hours and I stay up all night and I don't even want to sleep at night anymore.
I mean, it's, you know, sometimes I do.
Sometimes I'm really, really tired, but there's some strange stuff going on.
And then sometimes I'm so energized, I can't, I'm like the Energizer Bunny.
I just want to jump out of my skin.
So there's a lot of, I think we have a lot of energy coming at us, humanity at this time.
And some of it's beneficial.
It's not all negative by any stretch.
So it's good to be more intuitive.
I'm happy to hear you're getting more information and you feel that your intuition is, whatever you want to call it, downloads intuition, is playing out very positively.
So that's not a bad thing.
No, I'm grateful for that, actually.
You know, Dr.
Solheim has an entity he refers to as ANZAR. Right.
Who tells him things too.
And sometimes Dr.
Bruce and I will swap notes.
And we seem to be both on the same page.
Interesting.
Yeah.
For him, of course.
Yeah, we're on the same page in regard to a lot of things going on right now.
So...
Has there been any more contact from To The Stars, or did they just retreat?
No, you know, in December, I was talking to a gentleman by the name of Mr.
Bull from the Discovery Channel, Discovery Channel, I believe, who said, we want to film you, we want to film your story.
And we'd like to do it as soon as possible.
And I said, fine, I'm ready whenever you are.
And they came up with the same time, February 2nd, 12th, I think it was, the same time I was scheduled to be at Laurie and Fenton's UFO Con in San Francisco.
So I said, I'm sorry, I can't do that weekend.
I have a show to do in San Francisco.
But after that, it's fine.
So we set up an appointment for March 1st, and then it canceled and got reset to the 5th, and then it canceled and got reset to like the 18th.
And then finally he said, look, we have a travel ban in place due to COVID, so we'll get back to you when we can.
I've not heard back from them.
Okay, and then when was that again?
March 18th was about the last time.
And where were they located, just out of curiosity?
In LA. In LA. I wonder what travel ban in the United States.
I thought we could travel.
No, it's not a travel ban from the government, a travel ban from the network.
Oh.
Well, that's interesting.
I don't know if that's true or not, but that's what he told me.
Yeah, I understand.
Okay, well...
There could be some questions in the chat, so let me just open that up before we let you go.
And also to make sure that there's nothing that, you know, when all this time goes by and you wrote your book and you put it out there and you, in theory, have everything out there that you wanted to say about the incident,
I'm just curious if anything new has come to you that you might have misinterpreted You know, the thing that I feel differently about since writing the book is the resentment and the anger that I felt toward the beings.
You know, I really felt that I could have shot one.
I mean, I felt like they had no right to do what they did to me.
But, you know, over these, since I wrote the book, it's been very cathartic.
And I thought, you know, if they really wanted to hurt me, they certainly could have.
You know, and they did something to me medically, but it had a medical vibe to it.
It had a clinical feel.
It wasn't like I was in a torture chamber.
Um...
And with, except for some PTSD symptoms, you know, I'm relatively unscathed by the thing.
So I don't have the anger that I used to have.
And I think that if I could sit down, you know, with that insectoid thing that I saw that was, you know, hurting my back, I think if I could sit down with him, he'd say something to the effect like, you know, no hard feelings, just doing my job, man, you know?
Does that make sense?
Well, a bit.
Although, I wonder, you know, what about your friend?
Because you completely lost contact and then I guess you died, right, is what happened.
Yeah, I wrote a second book, and it's going to be out in about four weeks, depending on how fast our friend George can get it together for me.
Excellent.
But I devoted an entire chapter to what happened to Toby, because that's the number one.
And I can give your listeners a quick rundown, a quick peek, if we have time.
Sure, absolutely.
If they're interested.
Sure.
For those who may not be aware, Toby and I were ordered to have no contact with one another after we returned from our camping trip.
And they enforced that pretty heavily.
And something changed.
When we were on this trip, something changed in our relationship.
I mean, this guy who was my best friend, you know, suddenly I wanted nothing to do with the guy.
And I never could reconcile, still can't reconcile those emotions.
And I stopped by.
I violated the order not to have any contact with him.
I stopped by his house because he got PCF. He had orders to go to Japan.
So he was shipped out.
And I stopped by his house to say goodbye.
And I thought that would be...
Because this is like 30 days after the event.
And he was a wreck.
He was just a wreck.
Seeing him was more upsetting than it was cathartic or healing.
And so I had no contact with him for a few years.
And in the mid-80s, I decided I wanted to...
No, actually, his wife.
His wife and my wife were friends.
And Tammy called my wife.
And said, you know, we're going to be traveling to Detroit.
We're going to be going through your neighborhood, you know.
I'm with my husband.
I'm newly married.
Toby and I divorced.
And I'm married to someone else.
And our kids have been adopted.
He adopted both of our kids.
And we'd like to stop by and catch up.
And my wife said, sure, we'd love to have you.
So they did.
So I got to see her and ask her about Toby.
And she said that Toby's decline from alcohol was pretty rapid and pretty severe.
And they separated shortly before he was cut loose from the Air Force and went back to Flint, Michigan.
And I was living with his dad.
And I realized I had his dad's phone number from years ago.
And actually, before Tammy had come down, I had actually called that number and got a hold of his dad.
And his dad knew who I was.
And I said, you know, I'd like to talk to my friend.
Would you please give him my number and have him call me?
And he was very polite.
I said, yes, I sure will.
And then I never heard anything from him.
And then six months later, it was Christmas, and I thought, you know, I'll try again.
And the number was disconnected.
And Tammy told me what happened was that Toby's dad passed away.
The family agreed to try to help Toby out to give him the house, the family house.
But unfortunately, he lost it due to taxes and employment instability and, I assume, alcohol.
So...
His side of the story is a really sad one, really.
It's a very sad one.
And a peculiar thing happened, and that is that in the...
Well, a little later than the mid-80s, in 87, 88, I was working on a case that involved the FBI, and I got to know an FBI agent pretty well.
And I mean...
You know, after work on Fridays, we might have a beer or something and talk about the week.
And one night I asked him, I said, hey, you know, I'm trying to find a buddy of mine I was in the Air Force with.
Do you think you could find him for me?
And he's like, sure, I can find anybody as long as they're not a fugitive.
Haha, which is kind of FBI humor.
So I faked the laugh, right?
And he said, yeah, he says, of course, I can't, you know, it's nothing official, but just as a favor for a friend, I'll see if I can track him down for you.
And he said, bring me on a sheet of paper everything that you have about this guy, his name, his address, where he went to grade school, what his dog's name was, everything you can think about the guy.
Put in a piece of paper for me and I'll see what I can do.
So I did that.
And two weeks later, we met at the bar and he walked in with a very somber face and sat down and said, I got some very bad news for you.
Your buddy's passed away.
And I said, what do you mean he's passed away?
He's a young man.
And he says, I know, I know.
He says it was an automobile accident on 94 outside of Flint, Michigan.
It was a head-on and he was killed.
I'm very sorry.
And I thought, oh my God.
And you know what?
I took his word for it.
I very easily, very easily could have gone to the Michigan State Police and verified that.
And I didn't think to do that, because all the FBI agents I've ever known in my life were all stand-up people.
But he was either lazy and made that story up.
I doubt that.
So when I was going to write this book, I decided, well, I want to find out where he's buried.
I want to find, you know, maybe find his obit.
So I went online and did some research and found that he was alive until September 4th, 2007.
So I've been lied to.
And all these years that we could have put our heads together were just wasted.
But I believe that there's somewhere within the government agency, the bureaucracy, there's a file with my name and his name and a note on it.
These two guys don't need to be hanging out together.
Right.
Well, you know, I assume that you know that Air Force are often spotted as active players in the abduction scenario.
And, you know, there's reason to believe that they're complicit and that the government is very involved as well.
And, you know, sometimes there's an ET component and sometimes not, apparently.
Right.
So, in terms of that, have you never been, like, approached by another Air Force person who gave you any information or might have, you know, known anything or been interested in your story?
I think two contacts, actually.
I had a...
A gentleman contacted me who was a clinical psychologist who said that the OSI had interviewed him.
And it was a long interview process that involved a security clearance.
And he ended up not accepting the job.
And then the second one was, I was at Contact in the Desert.
And there was a huge crowd.
This was Contact in the Desert 2016.
18 or 19?
18?
18.
Yeah.
I think.
And there was a big crowd of people and an elderly man walked up to me and said, I know the guys that did this to you.
And I said, yeah, what guys are we talking about?
And he said, the OSI guys.
And this is the guy that told me what they used on me.
He said, the drug they give you is called sodium amytol.
And it's a short-acting hypnotic.
And OSI goes through gallons of it.
And he said, what they did to you was not unusual.
They've done it to many, many people.
And he didn't give me his name or his, you know, background, but shook my hand and wished me well and told me that he wanted to confirm for me that that part of my story is correct.
Sounds spot on factually and gave me the name of the drug.
Very interesting.
Another question.
Okay, so Betty, as you call her, this alien-human hybrid, I'm assuming you might refer to her as that.
Did you ever have the sense that she was a hologram as opposed to being there physically?
No.
Every interaction that I've had with her has been rock solid.
She's been, you know...
Did you ever touch her?
Or did she touch you?
I touched her as a child.
When I was about four or five, they used to take us.
They used to take me from my debt.
And we would go to this round dome-shaped white room with a thick padded gray, rubberized like floor.
And there were always the same 10 or 12 kids there.
And I didn't know them.
They weren't from my school.
They weren't from the neighborhood.
And because Betty looks kind of Asian, feature-wise, when I knew her as a kid, I called her Sue because there was an Asian woman that lived in the neighborhood that we all called Sue.
She told us to call her Sue.
So the entity that I knew in my childhood as Sue is Betty.
They're one and the same.
When I was a kid, I had a meltdown in this room.
And I was crying and I wanted to go home.
I was scared about something.
I wanted to go home.
Something scared me.
I wanted to go home.
And I sat in her lap and she held me like any mother would hold any child.
And that was an absolute full tactile sensation.
Unless that's a planted memory.
It sure seems real to me.
Because I remember, I remember being absolutely amazed how small her torso was.
So yeah, I did have one tactile since I had one tactile encounter with her.
Okay.
Now, someone said that my volume went off the roof.
Of course, I haven't touched a thing.
So they're just continuing to sort of mess with us.
And hopefully now I've turned my volume way down.
But I hope you can hear me.
And I think that...
I can hear you fine.
Yes.
Okay.
All right.
While we still have you here, you've got a new book coming out.
Do you want to give us the title?
Do you have a title yet?
Yes, I have a title.
It's called Devil's Den, The Reckoning.
Okay.
What I do is I devote half the book.
It's about 90,000 words, which you know is a lot.
I devoted half of it to tying up loose ends from Devil's Den.
And then the rest of it, you know, in the epilogue of Devil's Den, I gave an email address and I said, look, I'm not a therapist, I'm not a doctor, but if you've had an experience and you want to share it with somebody, share it with me because I'll listen and I'll respond to every email I get.
Well, I didn't know I was going to get 1400 emails, but that's all I got.
So a whole bunch of people mailed me their stories.
And, you know, about 1300 people mailed me their stories and just candidly poured their heart out.
And there's a core group of those, a couple hundred, that are just absolutely phenomenal stories.
I mean, just so genuine, so authentic, and just off the charts in terms of what they experienced.
So I took 30 of those cases with their permission, and I plugged them in my book to share with people.
All right, great.
That'll be fascinating.
So, someone wants to know, did you ever try to declare your sovereignty And that those entities are, you know, because I don't know if the person has read your book, but you do talk about having experiences since you were a child with being abducted, etc.
And now you've just told me you have puncture marks, which indicate that this continues.
To your knowledge, have you ever, as this person is saying, you know, tried to declare sovereignty and tell them, you know, that they shouldn't or don't have the right to pick you up, etc.?
No, I've never done that.
And to be honest with you, the thoughts never cross my mind.
It's just never crossed my mind.
And I mean, and I understand that.
I don't know if that would do any good.
Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't.
I don't know, since I've never done that.
Okay, well, actually, you all you did sort of disobey the advice or whatever you want to call that sort of sound like more like an order, the way you described it initially from Betty, but saying, do not write your book or else.
Did you ever like go back over that and say, well, I wrote my book, I published it, and nothing, relatively nothing has happened?
Or did you ever have that discussion with her?
No.
And, you know, that's one thing I regret is that unlike Dr.
Bruce and his handler, Anzar, I don't have a dialogue with Betty.
And, you know, most of the time, in the couple of times that I have had interaction with her, she wasn't taking questions.
It was pretty much, you know, she was either evasive or vague or, you know, I wish I had that.
I do.
And people have told me, you know, we'll try to talk to her.
And I have.
I have tried that.
And, you know, I end up feeling like I'm just talking to myself.
I don't get any response.
But I do tell her that I'm grateful every time I get something intuitively that turns out to be to my benefit.
I tell her, thank you.
Interesting.
Okay, so...
Is there any, you know, you say you've got a more positive approach and they, in a sense, you know, not to be insulting, but they're making sure that you're positively oriented towards them by giving you these rewards, one might, one could say, okay?
I agree.
Okay, and does it occur to you or does, you know, that If you were to, you know, I was very aware that you have some areas of the time on the ship which were very controversial, and that you kind of low-balled that.
You haven't really talked a lot about that in interviews and so on and so forth.
That's right.
Is there any sense that you have that if you were to suddenly come out with any of the things you've been withholding, do you feel that there's an implied threat that is still sort of in place preventing you from doing that?
You know, I think so.
And I think it would be twofold.
I think I would fear my government because I don't know what...
Like Betty told me, you know, that...
She said to me, you know, you don't know what's important and what's not.
So I don't know what's going to be, you know, create a controversy or create problems for me.
My fear is I don't think that I get retribution from Betty.
I don't think she would come down and punish me.
But my fear would be that she would sever that connection with me.
And, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to sever that.
That relationship is just...
It's not...
What it is, is important to me.
I wouldn't want to lose that.
Okay, now what if I were to tell you that...
The things that you were seeing, like that they are interfering with the human genome in such a way that you might actually, you know, be doing a disservice to humanity by not revealing what it is you saw.
You know, because you saw these aquariums with fetus or little whatever, I don't know, guppies or whatever the hell it was and various other things.
In other words, Because this is, I don't know, you know, how you view it.
Maybe you view it differently than I. And you were in the Air Force, so who knows.
But this is a war of worlds that we're having here.
And your relationship with one being is understandable.
But it, you know, I just wonder if you ever weigh these things.
And I'm not trying to put you on the hot seat here.
You know what I'm saying?
But I do want to say that for the people listening and understanding that there is something going on here and it's ongoing, right?
And you are kind of a key witness.
And it's interesting that True the Stars would go out of their way, you know, to come and meet with you and all this kind of thing.
You know, that's their courting.
That's where they court I call it their courting process.
They do that with some contactees.
And they have a motivation to do that because there's something important going on there, right?
I felt like there was manipulation going on there.
I did.
And they are from a philosophy that does have to do with a war, an ET war with ETs.
So, you know, Philosophically, what I'm saying is weighing and balancing.
Everyone has to do this in their life, right?
And certainly you also want to stay alive in the process of all these things.
But I'm just saying, does this play on your mind or do you feel that you've resolved it to the best of your ability?
Or does it continue to have things to wear?
Because I know there's some things that you haven't really Come forward with it, you know, to such an extent.
Well, you know, that was kind of the purpose of the second book is because those things were on my mind and I did want them disclosed.
And I do go into what happened to Toby.
I also go into a little more about Betty, my relationship with her, my relationship with her as a young child.
So I go into some things that I think might be very important.
And when I look at it retrospectively, given the first book and the second book, I can't think of hardly anything that I'm holding back or that I'm not sharing.
Okay, so you're not...
When I talk about this, are you aware?
Because what you initially said about what you saw on the ships, is this memory become more vague as time goes on?
No, it's not changed in the least.
It is as sharp today as it's ever been.
All right.
But, you know, it's a frequent content of my nightmares, so I relive that experience a lot.
I just wonder why you're being surveilled so closely on and off, you know?
And I do, it is possible that they're worried about something, you know, with respect to you.
But I can't, you know, I don't know all the various things going on in your life.
Like, you know, you're talking about that, the Lexus and so on.
What in the world is there to look at?
You know what I'm saying?
In a certain sense.
It's not like you're having, you know, constant visitations, at least that you're aware of.
And maybe they're aware of something.
Maybe you are having constant visitations.
You know, you said you have these, what do you call, these dots that you found.
In other words, there's a disconnect here.
You do understand, right?
So...
Between your story, which sounds like, well, it happened a long time ago, and then, you know, maybe got a little harassed here and there, but there's no real explanation as to why you'd be harassed, right?
Right, and I wasn't harassed until I wrote the book and started speaking publicly.
Sure.
So that's what opened the door.
And, you know, in retrospect, Betty was absolutely correct in that whatever...
Whatever I have to say that is important, I have no idea what it is.
I mean, there's an old saying, you don't know what you don't know.
Yeah, exactly.
That applies.
I get that sense.
I get the sense that there is something, maybe it's a memory that has not surfaced, you know, and then has been carefully kept sort of down and whatever.
But anyway, just...
Deepens the mystery.
And I want to thank you very much for coming on the show.
And I want to thank everyone for listening here.
I don't, you know, we could spend many hours going into this kind of thing because it's fascinating and many of us are experiencing some things.
Maybe not that kind of, because in your case, it's sort of encapsulated almost like, well, as a movie, and obviously we'd love to make a movie of it, you know, but it's fascinating that we've had this whole intervention of a sort that has changed our lives in very profound ways, at least lately, seemingly profound.
Whether this continues and whether something more substantial will come of it remains to be seen because in my point of view, looking at the future, I've seen that a lot has supposedly been done behind the scenes, but we've never gotten anything out in the very official capacity enough to say, you know, these things have been Have been done.
There's been, you know, children supposedly rescued from underground bases, et cetera, et cetera.
The whole release of, you know, a lot more information and knowledge about adrenochrome and the use by celebrities and others of this and so on.
But it has not reached the mainstream and it has not changed their method of operation in any way, shape or form.
And if Trump doesn't stay in office, It's questionable whether it will or not.
We could be right on the verge of a huge disclosure, both in terms of ETs.
I've also had a precog dream about that recently that I almost forgot that came back into my mind just a couple of days ago.
And so I'm not saying that my dreams are going to come true like Any more than you're saying that your intuitions are going to come true.
But it's interesting.
And I always keep a tab, a running tab, so to speak, to see what's going to come true and what's not and try to stay as objective about that, you know, and not tied to the outcome, so to speak, which I think can also interfere.
So I want to thank you, though.
It takes a lot of courage to do what you've done.
You know, tremendous amount of courage, actually.
And you've been a great chronicler of your own experience, right?
So that's very valuable.
That testimony is very valuable.
And so I hope you, you know...
Well, I'm grateful for what you've done.
The people you've talked to, the whistleblowers you've brought forth.
I mean, you made a great contribution.
Thank you very much.
Well, I guess we'll see, you know, what the next stage brings.
My door is open.
Anytime you want to, you know, talk on or off the record, I'm here.
And I think that people would love to have you back again on the show whenever you feel motivated.
So when your book is published, you know, if you feel like you want to do that then or if you just want me to put the word out, I'll do that.
So please do stay in touch.
I sure will.
And you take care.
And, you know, you've got my email address and my phone number.
Talk to you anytime.
All right.
Take care.
Okay.
Thank you very much.
And you take care.
You bet.
Bye-bye.
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