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Dec. 19, 2019 - Project Camelot
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DR. JENNIFER DANEILS: ALTERNATIVE HEALING
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Hi, everyone.
I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.
Very happy to be here today.
So we have a very special guest, Dr.
Jennifer Daniels.
And she is a natural healer as well as actually a legitimate MD. And her bio is on my website.
And so we will...
I'm going to ask everyone to go to my website, projecthamalot.tv, to follow along on the website with the bio.
I'm actually going to let you talk about your background because it looks like you graduated from Harvard and several other schools, and you have a fascinating, I guess, saga in terms of what has happened to you, and I want to share that with my audience.
So go right ahead, Dr.
Daniels.
Okay, so my name is Dr.
Jennifer Daniels, and I was born in the United States and trained as a medical doctor.
So I graduated from high school with honors.
I went to Harvard University back when Harvard and Radcliffe were actually separate.
So they had a whole separate admissions committee for Radcliffe that was, you know, really actually quite rigorous.
When I was admitted to Harvard, I graduated with honors.
I continued on to medical school in Ivy League Medical School, University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine.
And my aspiration was to be a family practice physician and to return to the inner-city ghetto where I grew up and practice medicine.
And I had on the way of going to Harvard and figuring out how to pay for Harvard, Had a lot of different jobs and started different businesses.
And so I really had an understanding of the fact that I need to make ends meet.
And in a self-financing way in order to have my medical practice be viable and continue in existence in the inner city or wherever the practice was.
So I went to University of Pennsylvania and the Wharton School is a famous business school in the United States and it's on the same campus.
So I went to both schools concurrently at the same time and graduated in four years instead of six with my master's in business administration as well as my medical degree.
Now, a lot happened along the way.
At Harvard, in my third year, I was going to graduate, I was going to get into medical school, and really everything was just going wonderfully well.
So I decided, well, geez, I better go to the world-famous Widener Library and look up and research healthcare and doctors and all the great things doctors can do, and what I need to focus on to be the best possible doctor for my little ghetto And really have an impact on making people healthier so that they could work, start their own businesses, and become more economically independent with, of course, their good health.
So I went to Widener Library and I was shocked, appalled, and really deflated when I researched and researched and researched and could not find a single book or document that indicated doctors helped people live longer, healthier lives.
In fact, there were many references that said just the contrary, that actually, whether you saw a doctor or not, whether you had medical care or not, did not influence your life quality or expectancy in a positive way.
I said, well, how could this be?
I mean, I had seriously invested a lot of time up to this point, money and suffering, and given up a whole lot of other things in my life.
But it wasn't a totally fruitless endeavor because the books were very clear that what did improve the quality of life was adequate housing that would be just protection from wind, rain, snow, and hurricanes and things.
So housing, diet, so obviously if you starve to death, you're not going to make it no matter what medicine you take.
Clean food and clean water.
Pretty much that was it.
Clean food, clean water, roof over your head.
And that's what helped people live longer.
So I said, well, okay, fine.
I'm sure, I'm sure I will find out more about this in medical school.
So, I went on to medical school.
I also figured out that, well, wait a minute, if what I'm doing is not of any value to people, what I'm about to train to do, is not of any value to people in terms of them living a longer or healthier life, then I had better not invest any money in this.
I better find a way to finance my medical school education without loans.
And so I'm in the area of the United States in exchange for government paying for my expenses going to medical school.
Now, when they pay, they didn't pay at a very high rate.
They paid all my tuition.
That's good.
But I had an allowance for books, an allowance for food and place to stay.
And so by the time I added up all the money they gave me, I realized that in order to make ends meet, I would have to eat every other day, and I could spend six dollars, well, six or seven dollars a week on food, which even in 1979 to 83, which is when I went to medical school, was not a lot of money.
And literally, I would make a ton of noodles and hamburger and slice that Into six equal points.
Obviously some days I would get hungry and eat two pieces.
And so hence I ended up really eating every other day.
So again, shocked to see that the people we were treating were not getting better.
I did not see any improvement.
You give a person a drug, they come in, they complain of something, you give them a drug, they leave with the drug, and they don't get any better.
And so...
I was concerned about this.
So I went to the dean at the end of each semester, and I said, look, this is not good.
You know, I came from the ghetto.
I'm going back to the ghetto to practice, and I can't be going back with this stuff that doesn't work.
You guys got to teach me something a little more robust here.
And they said, oh, Jennifer, don't worry.
You'll learn something the next semester about how to really get people better, you know.
I said, okay.
And at the end of each semester, I noticed I... I was not seeing any results, and I would go back to Dean.
Finally, I said to him, I said, hey, look, you know, in the ghetto, they don't have malpractice.
They get even.
You know, this is a dangerous situation I'm going into.
I can't be harming people and doing stuff that doesn't work.
They're just going to, you know, take me out.
And he says, well, maybe you need to find another place to practice.
So, in other words, he was telling me that this is as good as it gets.
But he did say, hey, you know what?
There's a program after medical school called residency, and that's why we have the additional training, because then you learn a lot there.
I said, okay, fine.
So I graduated, well, while I was in medical school, I signed up for business school.
In business school, I learned...
That the pharmacy companies had a problem.
Not enough people were taking drugs.
And this is very early on.
This is 1979 to 83.
And this is a time in 1979 when people went to the doctor because they were sick and they had a problem and they wanted it solved.
All right.
So in business school, they said, we've got a problem.
Not enough people are taking pharmaceutical drugs.
We need to have more people taking drugs.
How do we do that?
And so, of course, we students were stumped.
We were in our 20s.
We had no clue.
We were not marketing experts.
And he said, we were going to get people to take drugs for diseases that they're worried about.
They don't even have.
That's our plan.
I said, oh, my God.
But who would do that?
That's dumb.
And so now we have a whole industry of prediabetes, a whole industry of cholesterol lowering drugs, a whole industry of risk factor modification.
And so many, if not most drugs people are taking are for diseases they don't have, but diseases that they are worried about.
And so I literally had a ringside seat watching that transition.
And the other thing in business school we were told, this is back in 1979 to 83, is that there's a middleman in medicine and we've got to get rid of the middleman.
So I'm sitting here in business school class thinking to myself, yeah, yeah, good idea, get rid of the middleman.
And so I asked the class, well, who's the middleman?
And so, of course, here we are at business school, kind of squirming in our seats.
Oh, we're the middleman.
No, no, no, no.
The doctor is the middleman.
We're going to have the money go straight from the patient to the insurance company.
And we're going to cut out the middleman who's the doctor.
And if you look at what has happened in medicine from 1979 to the present in the United States, that is exactly what has happened.
So now, the money does not go to the doctor first.
It goes to the insurance company, or the HMO, or the managed care company, or the administrative entity.
Somebody with an MBA, anyway.
And so, in medical school, they were very upset that doctors could make the amount of money doctors made without having to hire somebody with an MBA. And so literally from 1979 to 19, I would say year 2000, it was complete.
The MBA types influenced the government to create such a labyrinth of Paperwork and regulation that most medical doctors had to hire literally a full-time MBA for a substantial sum of money in order to be in compliance with these things.
And so what this meant then is doctors had to band together in groups and hire one administrator who earned a pretty hefty pay, pretty close to doctor pay, in order to be in compliance with the law.
Now, the other thing that happened is the solo practice doctor just couldn't afford to make it because his pay was, let's say, maybe $64,000 in his practice, and he would have to hire an administrator for $64,000 or $40,000, let's say, to get the practice going, keep it going, leaving him, of course, now $24,000, which even in 1990 was not that much money.
So where things are now is the middleman, the doctor, has been removed.
And the money goes straight to the financial entity, which would be the insurance company or the administrative clinic or whatever.
But even worse, from the patient perspective, what has happened is way back when, we'll call it 1979, if you wanted to go see a doctor, You would go to the doctor, pay him $20, and he'd write your script for penicillin or whatever.
Whatever the doctor would do.
That's your family doctor interaction.
1979.
Fast forward to 1999.
Now you're paying anywhere from $100 a month to $1,000 a month.
And every time you see the doctor, you're paying a $20 copay.
So this whole layer of expense has been added.
And the patient is actually much worse off because of out-of-pocket expenses are astronomical now.
Okay, so that's amazing and great.
And thank you for all of that.
So what I want to do is just back you up a little bit.
And you came out of...
You kind of jumped over to the...
topic more and left your own story a little behind so just want to know how did you go then reaching this sort of strange place in business school and in the medical school and so on with all this training that you had did you then practice in the U.S.
can you can we resume with you Yeah, so what happened was I graduated from medical school and business school.
I did the one year...
So the law in the United States is you only need to do one year of training after medical school.
Then you can get a license and actually practice medicine.
So I said, well, all I want to do is practice medicine and be a general doctor.
So I did one year of practice, and then I went to an Indian reservation where I practiced medicine.
And then things got, as they say, things got real.
So I started applying what I was learning in medical school.
And we were taught in medical school that the things we were doing were ineffective because our patients were poor, didn't have any money to buy the drugs that we recommended, they were ignorant, they couldn't read, write, and follow instructions if they did get the drugs.
And that was why things didn't work.
So I said, okay, fine.
I'm going to have a situation where they get the drugs dispensed as they leave the office, and we get family support involved, and everyone knows how to take their drugs.
And so we have basically pretty close to 100% compliance, and lo and behold, nothing worked.
So that's when I really got into a panic.
At the same time, I became pregnant, and my pregnancy, I... I started throwing up.
I had abdominal pain.
It really looked pretty bad.
And I said, you know what?
I'm just going to go vegetarian.
I'm going to go vegetarian and not eat any meat because I'd eaten meat and got sick.
So we had been taught in medical school to not be vegetarian because it was a deadly diet and I would surely die.
So since I was going to die anyway, I said, let me be vegetarian.
So I was going through all of this.
I stopped eating meat.
I felt just absolutely awesome.
It was a wonderful pregnancy.
No complications.
It was just great.
And that's when I really, you know, things opened up in terms of questioning things in a bigger way.
I said, wait, so I was told in medical school that something was definitely deadly.
I should never do it.
I did it and I felt great.
Could there be something else they taught me that was not exactly accurate?
And so I went on from practicing medicine in the middle of nowhere, and I saved money while I was doing that.
Then I went back to my hometown, purchased a city block, built a medical office building, and started practicing medicine right there in the middle of the ghetto.
Now, because I had an MBA, I was pretty sharp with the numbers, and I could see if I was losing money doing something, and I would stop doing it, make an adjustment.
And the really great thing about business school is they were very clear that the doctor was the middleman, the insurance company was there to cut the doctor out, and they had no intention of paying the doctor.
And so, since I knew that, I was very suspicious up front.
I read my insurance contracts very carefully when the insurance company presented me with them, and I could see by reading the contract there was no intention to pay me.
And so, because of that, I didn't sign contracts that would put me out of business.
So, as time went on, I started prescribing less and less and less drugs.
And around the third year medical practice, I decided I would audit my practice and figure out, okay, who's dying and how can I adjust their care so these deaths could be prevented.
Actually, it was in the second year of practice I did that.
And what I found was shocking.
What I found was that the people who died exclusively were people who were 100% compliant.
They were taking medications.
They had seen the specialists who reviewed their care to make sure it was the best possible level of care.
Those were the only patients who died.
The people who blew off their appointments, didn't show up, didn't take their drugs, they all lived.
I said, oh my god, could it be that what I was trained to do in medical school is deadly, is dangerous, is harming people?
And so then the next year going forward, I said, okay, I'm going to do an experiment.
I'm going to give everyone a choice between taking drugs, not taking drugs, lifestyle changes, or even doing nothing.
See what happens.
What happened was the death rate in the practice went to zero.
There were no deaths.
And I said, oh my god, now what am I going to do?
So then I decided the ethical thing to do would be to continue to give people choices and that way I could stay in business and make money and people would live.
But I was still troubled, and over time I used less and less drugs, and more and more food and water, and getting people to drink more water, cleansing, like juice fast, water fast, enemas, and things were going really well.
People were getting wonderful results, but I noticed that when they Went off the program, like maybe they'd eat a piece of cake or some little thing.
Boom!
They were sick again as if they had done nothing.
So all the work was just undone.
I said, well, that's not right.
We need to be able to store them back to health so that an occasional soda pop or something is not going to upend the whole cart.
And so I started searching for something that would accomplish that.
Meanwhile, on another path, I was very aggressively curing people who had type 2 diabetes.
So a guy came to my office, for example, with a blood sugar of 980, which is a pretty high blood sugar.
Ordinarily, you would put that kind of person in a hospital.
However, I was a family practice doctor, and so if I hospitalized someone, the amount the hospital paid me, not the hospital, the insurance company would pay me to take care of them in the hospital didn't even cover my round-trip gas.
Plus the patients I had to turn away at the office in order to see the person in the hospital.
And I said to this guy, hey, you know what?
If you'll just check in with me every day, we can handle this at home.
And in one week, his blood sugar got down to 97%.
Then another patient came in, blood sugar 480 something, same thing, one week he was down to 135.
Okay, now wait a minute because I hope you can hear me okay.
I don't, people said maybe I wasn't loud enough, but anyway, can you hear me okay?
Now I can, yes.
So I want to ask you, you said you said you'd handle at home.
What did you, what did they do?
In other words, what did these patients do whose blood sugar with diabetes went down without taking whatever that diabetes thing, were they shooting up with insulin?
Insulin.
Were they shooting?
No.
Okay, so what was the remedy at home that they used?
Well, it was the same remedy I would have given in the hospital, salt water.
I gave them salt water and put them on a vegetable diet, you know, took them off the junk food that they'd been taking.
So the guy with the blood sugar of 900 or something, we'd had a very bad heat spell, and he was drinking soda pops.
To get through the heat spell to stay cool, soda pop and lemonade.
And that drove his blood sugar up very high.
So we just took him off of that.
We gave him gallons of water a day, which is the same thing he would get in the hospital.
He would get it intravenously.
But there's no reason to give it to him intravenously because he could drink.
So we basically had him do that.
That was his solution.
The other one whose blood sugar wondered in something, his solution was not so much water because his blood sugar wasn't that high.
It was only, you know, 480 something.
And we just gave him lots and lots of salad, cooked vegetables, rice, and water, and took him off all his non-water beverages.
And then he was younger.
He was only like 19 or something.
So he was able to be physically active.
So he actually went for walks and engaged in sports, but no drugs.
So in his case, that was the case where the licensing board said, nope, nope, sorry, not a license of medicine.
And that was the case that ultimately led to my license being suspended.
Incredible.
So, at that point, that was two people, right, that you treated for diabetes and didn't hospitalized.
Were there others?
I mean, there were a lot, yeah, but I'm just saying...
Those are the key ones.
Okay.
At that point, what year was that?
Do you happen to remember what year that was?
1999.
Why is that so funny?
How could I forget?
It's a big thing to have your license suspended.
It's pretty scary.
What does that mean?
Did you leave the U.S. immediately or did you try to remedy the situation?
I had such faith because I really believed.
I believed in the government.
I believed in the justice system.
I believed in right and wrong.
I believed in fairness.
I just knew I was going to be treated fairly.
If only they realized that This person got better with therapy and the therapy was effective.
They even, in my hearing, disallowed the patient's chart as evidence.
How can you start when you're questioning patient care, right?
That's amazing.
So there are a lot of things that happened and I said, wow, there's not any justice here at all.
They can convict anybody they want of anything.
And so it was an administrative procedure, which means I had committed no crime at all, that the government just decided to just take my license away.
And as a result of that, when you surrender your license or it's suspended, they have the option of, in my case, they exercise the option.
They don't have to, but they can exercise the option of putting me on two do not employ lists.
So now, I not only couldn't practice medicine, but there's a whole range of jobs in the United States I just could not have at all.
And so literally, my employment status was less than had I been a high school dropout.
So at that point, so I'm assuming you had, you know, some time where the courtroom...
forth.
And then there was sort of a, some kind of settlement where they cemented the fact that your license was suspended legally.
And so at that point, did you leave?
Well, it's not a courtroom.
Well, actually, we did have to go to court.
It's called an administrative process.
So in an administrative process, because it's not a courtroom, because you're not accused of a crime, it's not criminal, it's administrative, you have no constitutional rights.
Rules of evidence are suspended.
And most Americans, any people around the world, are not aware of this.
So you're in this twilight zone.
There's no rules of evidence.
The accusations are nebulous.
You don't know what they are.
The penalties are never quite stated.
And you just constantly have appearances and appearances and appearances.
And you're hiring lawyers to assist you and you're just bleeding out money.
That particular process took from, so the first stage ended in 2000, and that's when my life, they said, okay, no license for you.
So then there's the appeals process.
That's when we went to court, and that process, whole process, took from 2000 to 2006.
And in that process, basically, what happened was we finally got it out of the administrative process into a real court where there are rules of evidence.
But the way things work in the United States is the court cannot consider any evidence that was excluded at a prior level.
So we couldn't even bring in the patient chart at that point.
And all the appeals court, this is a real court now, Could consider was Did the administrative licensing board act properly in the penalty they administered?
Was the penalty they administered to me a legal penalty?
So the appeals court could not consider, was I guilty or innocent?
No, no, no.
What is going to consider, was the penalty legal?
It turned out they had given me an illegal penalty.
The penalty was not legal.
And they only had the power to suspend a license for three years, not for a lifetime.
They gave me a lifetime suspension.
So, the clerk to the administrative board and said to the board, you know she's done wrong, but if you want to take her license, this is the way to go about it.
Literally, the judge from the bench instructed the government on how to take my license without cause.
And so, the administrative entity said, oh, thank you.
And then they did exactly what the judge told them to do, and that whole process took till 2006.
I can hear.
Okay, this is extraordinary.
So you're saying that they then went about, they did it wrong, illegally, but then they went about trying to make it legal.
Did they succeed?
Yes.
So I'm saying the judge from the bench told the licensing board, you acted inappropriately.
We have to vacate your penalty.
This is how you go back and reinstate your penalty legally.
Okay, were you able to then practice during that time that it took for them to set the situation up again?
No.
Okay, so at the end of that time, all this time you're living in America, I assume, In the United States with no income, yes.
Incredible.
And then, at that point...
And paying legal fees.
Okay, so I'm paying, you know, legal staff, right?
Several thousand dollars a month.
And I have no income.
Unbelievable.
And, okay, so at that point, what made you move out of the United States if you're free to say, where did you move and, you know, what was your...
Well, what happened at that point, so the second go-around, when they took the license the second time, all this administrative stuff, that's when they heaped on the do not employ penalties.
So now, I could not even work as a janitor in a hospital or any facility that accepted government funds of any kind.
I could not even work as a consultant for an entity that accepted government money.
For example, most schools in the United States now accept government funding, like from the Medicaid system or whatever.
So I would not be able to work in any educational facility, for example, or in any entity that provides services to an educational facility.
And so really you're getting pretty far out in terms of jobs that are excluded.
Okay, so this is amazing.
So, okay, at that point, you must have investigated leaving the United States, right?
Exactly.
People were calling me saying, you know, you got to get out of this country.
This is not looking good.
And I was, you know, having, I couldn't sleep at night.
And of course, that was during a time when America was doing things in other countries.
And people were disappearing and being seized and the relatives never heard from them again.
And so here I am in my itty-bitty house in my itty-bitty ghetto thinking, oh my God, the government could just show up, break my door down and just help me disappear.
And so I felt very vulnerable and very unsafe.
Okay, but so at this point, I mean, you know, because I'm really trying to figure out how you chose the country, I don't even know what country you're in, but how you chose the country you're in?
Oh, okay, so what happened was people were, it was really like the perils of Pauline, right?
So this was like a huge story in the newspapers.
People were literally following it, reading it every week, and people were calling me and writing me and trying to help me any way they could, and So one of my friends, not my friends, it was a friend too, but he was a patient, his wife was a patient, and so was their child.
And so he had his wife call me and invite me over for dinner, me and my kids.
I'm like, oh, great, thank you.
I'm just going to relax for an evening and just catch my breath.
And so while the kids were playing or whatever, he asked me to please go with him to another room away from everybody else.
And he sat down and he said, look, This is really bad.
You don't know how bad this is, but this is actually worse than you think it is.
And you need to leave the country.
And you need to go to a country either in Central or South America.
The countries are dangerous, of course.
You're a single woman.
That's unfortunate.
But it's, you know, you can't stay here.
You've got to go.
And he told me that, you know, in these countries, women don't have any rights.
And so I need to somehow figure out how to, you know, get some guy to, you know, protect me or look after me or something.
I'm like, oh, my God, this is sounding really bad.
So, but I thought about that and I said, you know what?
He's right.
I got to get out of here.
And so then I went shopping for another country.
I went to Austria for a week and said, oh, that's not going to work.
I went to St.
Lucia.
I was invited to St.
Lucia.
So I went to countries that people suggested and invited me to go to.
I went to Jamaica.
I went to, you know, several countries.
And finally settled on Central America.
And, you know, I just settled on that country because it was in the US time zone.
I could still at least call my kids and talk to them on the phone.
The people driving on the street drove on the right side, which is what I was used to.
And cost of living was extremely, extremely low.
And by that time, I was financially exhausted.
I was just totally exhausted.
And I went from having a net worth of $760,000 to being $270,000 in debt.
Incredible.
And my life was totally just devastated.
Okay, but you weren't, just pause for a moment, you weren't going to bring your kids with you.
Were they grown up or why weren't you going to bring them?
Well, they were in that transition.
They were their late teens entering college.
So one was in college, one just entered college, and one was a teenager.
So I told my teenager who was 16 years old, look, you can come with me.
I'm not making any promises.
We're just going to do the best we can here.
Or you can stay home.
I mean, stay in the United States.
You know, you've got plenty of relatives.
You know, pick one that you can stay with.
And so she decided to come with me.
And it took about, I don't know, six weeks.
And she said, you know what?
I don't like this.
I'm bored.
I don't speak their language.
It's a different language.
It's just I'm not interested.
I'm out of here.
I said, well, you know, that's fine, but you've got to find a relative who's going to take care of you.
And so my brother decided to take her in, and she went and lived with him and finished high school, which was just two more years.
So, you know, because this is very interesting, I think, you know, as these vaccines, if they do become mandatory, especially for children, they're going to be more and more Americans considering leaving the country.
I know I would.
Right, right.
And because they're so detrimental.
So what I want to do is figure out, you know, how you decided to How did the logistics go with that?
I had no money.
Could you practice medicine once you got into this other country?
So every country has its rules to protect its own indigenous positions.
And so in this particular country basically you have to work for the government for one year at no charge and then they issue you a license and then you can work.
However, the problem with that was I looked at the pay scale.
The pay scale was so low that I couldn't live on that either.
So practicing medicine was not an option, practicing medicine in the new country.
And what people don't realize is the reason doctors all want to come to the United States to practice medicine is because the pay scale for US doctors is higher compared to cost of living.
And so It made absolutely no sense.
And plus, I didn't have the capital to start a medical practice anyway.
Okay.
So, I mean, right now you have this wonderful website.
You're doing your own show.
I don't know how much income you have from that, but what is your...
How did I get there?
What's the transition?
So the transition is...
So, again, like I said, my situation in the United States was extremely public.
And so, literally, these two guys walked into my office, sat me down and said, you need help, and we're going to help you.
Give us $3,000.
I said, well, what are you going to do?
So, we're going to make a website for you.
We're going to put you online.
You're going to collect money online.
And this is going to be your salvation.
I said, well.
And back then, the internet was very young.
And I said, well, whatever.
It's only 3,000.
The lawyers are getting more than that.
Here you go.
They did that for me.
Of course, I didn't know anything about traffic.
I didn't know anything about marketing.
And the vitality capsules, I formulated them when I was in medical practice because as I started doing the natural stuff, people were not pooping.
And I noticed people who were not pooping were not getting better.
Even when they changed their diet and did everything right, they were not getting better.
They did not poop.
And so I was actually having...
We have arguments with people about pooping.
They would say, well, I don't want to poop.
I'm fine.
I poop once a month and that's it.
It's something else.
I'm like, there is nothing else.
This is it.
So people would tell me, so finally one guy said to me, look, here's the deal.
You make a capsule or a pill and I will take it if it makes me poop.
And that's it.
But I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to do anything else that's going to help make me poop.
So I got to work and I came up with vitality capsules and they work.
People were pooping.
People were getting better.
I was happy.
They were happy.
And literally people would come to the office of Friday and say, I got to get those vitality capsules.
I don't want to run out.
I want to have a great weekend.
And when I first started medical practice back in 1985, In the wilderness with the Indians, people would come on Friday to get narcotic prescriptions to have a good weekend.
Of course, I told everyone, no, no, no, we're not doing any narcotics, and they got all upset.
But it was amazing that people were actually using Vitality capsules to have bowel movements and to make sure they felt good for the weekend, to enjoy their weekend.
So then, when these guys came to my office, they put Vitality capsules on the internet so people could buy them on the internet.
And literally, I was packing and shipping Vitality capsules from my house in Syracuse, New York, when people made purchases on the internet.
And so income, some months zero, some months $600, some months $100, but it was enough to live in a third world country.
Okay, but at this time, can you explain how you...
First of all, the third world country you're in, Central America, I guess you're saying, is...
Are you, you know, because it seems like time has passed, right?
So you could have set up a medical process.
You're very gifted.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.
So, no, you couldn't?
I wouldn't.
So what I realized, even when you lose everything, You appreciate not having anything.
In other words, I appreciated being able to sleep through the night without people calling me.
I just appreciated the calm that was in my life.
And so I rebuilt my life keeping that calm.
So, you know, my favorite thing to do is to go to bed at 8 p.m., for example.
That's like a real treat.
So you can't do that when you have a medical practice and you're, you know, you're tied into a lot of stuff.
And then another thing people don't appreciate is the whole reason for licensure is for political control.
So the whole reason to give every doctor a license is so the government can take that license away whenever that doctor does something the government doesn't like.
It is not to ensure quality of care.
Sure.
That makes perfect sense.
So why would I sign up for another medical license in another country?
That makes no sense.
Okay.
But you're a healer.
So are you basically doing this through your website, through your broadcasts?
Because I see you have a huge amount of broadcasts on every sort of different subjects and ailments and various things.
Right.
Which is really, I have to highly recommend it.
It's excellent.
So how did you get into that part of it, broadcasting and telling people about the remedies, etc.?
Again, so when I was in the United States and all of this stuff was going on, all of this turmoil, this legal activity, and the newspapers were writing a story at least every three months about the perils of Dr.
Daniels.
People were, of course, reading this.
And people literally cried.
I would get called, oh, we're praying for you.
And so people said, you know, you need to have a radio show.
You need to have a radio show.
You need to have a radio show.
I was like, oh, I don't know.
What would I say?
And so then finally I was down here and somebody in the United States called an internet radio station and said, look, contact Dr.
Daniels.
Have her on your network.
I'm telling you, it's going to be great.
Just contact her.
So someone sent me a message through LinkedIn and And said, hey, you want a radio show?
We have a network.
I said, oh my god.
And he said, are you Dr.
Daniels?
Are you?
I'm like, oh no, who is this?
And then, of course, you get paranoid, right?
Because you don't know if the government's looking for you, if the government's going to do something bad to you, and is this person a spy?
Can you trust them?
It's really just terrible the way it just disrupts your whole life.
So I said, okay.
I responded, and I did a radio show.
And I So I had to think, what is it that I think would really help people the most?
And the one thing that would help people the most is for them to understand how dangerous and deadly the medical system really is.
And so the first radio show was Murdered by Medicine.
It's no accident, basically.
And so the show was really popular, and I took the transcript and turned it into a book that you can buy on Amazon.
It's called The Lethal Dose, Why Your Doctor Is Prescribing It.
Wow, that's awesome.
Yeah, that's lovely.
Okay.
So then I said, well, that's it.
That's all I had to say.
I'm done.
So I said, oh, no.
Next week is another show.
What am I going to do?
And so there's this book called The Physician's Desk Reference.
And The Physician's Desk Reference made this volume called Drug Interactions and Side Effects.
The whole book is like, I don't know, 500 pages.
But there's this little 200-page section in the back.
Or maybe 50 pages.
And it lists a disease like, say, arthritis.
And it lists all the drugs, like 100 of them, that cause arthritis.
And it does this for every single disease.
And so what I did was I would just...
Each episode was like a no-brainer.
I would just...
Literally, use one page out of that book, okay, today we're going to talk about arthritis and all the drugs that cause it.
And one thing I noticed is a pattern.
The drugs that cause arthritis are the very same drugs I use to treat arthritis.
And so this pattern was emerging.
And that was great for my shows until 2012, and then they did not publish another edition of the book.
I said, what?
And so then I went, I actually called the PDR people.
I called the publisher.
I said, well, where's your 2013 edition?
Huh?
The 2014 edition.
Come on, guys, get to work.
They said, we are not going to publish any more volumes of that book.
I said, how come?
They said, because it created too much liability.
Apparently, the lawyers were using this book.
As a foundation for their legal action, and they were doing very well.
So that information source was shut down.
So then I said, okay, fine.
People just need to know how dangerous medicine really is.
And the Medical Industrial Complex has recently come out with a confession that they kill 250,000 people every year in the United States alone.
250,000.
That's more people than Homicides, suicides, AIDS, car accidents, diabetes, that's pneumonia, the flu.
So it is the third leading cause of death.
And this is what the medical industrial complex itself, Johns Hopkins University, says.
And what people need to understand is just avoiding the healthcare system.
Just that one thing will help them live longer.
Every single time when doctors have gone on strike, when hospitals have been closed, the death rate goes down.
Yes, absolutely.
Well, I totally agree.
And that's awesome.
Those statistics are actually quite awesome.
I would imagine it's a lot higher than they've actually reported because...
Exactly.
Exactly.
So my calculations is over a million people a year are killed as a result of their medical care.
Not only that, it is the leading cause of death because there's another calculation they don't do for you.
If you look at the top 10 causes of death in the United States, the doctor did it.
It's not listed there.
So this 250,000 Those deaths are actually listed as heart attack, as cancer, as accident, as homicide, as suicide.
So then, really, the leading cause of death can be reduced by as much as 250,000.
Or more precisely, let's just count every single cause of death, you know, way that doctors kill people and hospitals kill people.
And once you do that calculation, the number of one million shows up and you're like, oh my God, you mean heart disease is not number one, cancer is not number two.
And you look at those figures and It's actually sickening.
So I was just mousing along, you know, just doing my research and add up numbers, add up numbers.
And I had to stop doing my research when it really hit me that each number, each little number, was actually a person, a life that was killed.
I mean, I actually started crying.
And I said, this is overwhelming.
It's overwhelming.
Absolutely.
Okay, so then at a certain point, you also, I see in your show, you get into these various, I think, diseases, and you've also come up with some...
I don't know what you want to call it, but remedies that involve sort of natural remedies.
That don't involve any drugs.
Right.
No drugs, no prescription drugs, no over-the-counter drugs.
So how did you go into studying herbal medicine?
Did you make a transition into being a healer?
Did you study to be a healer?
Do you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, the answer is no.
So what really happened was I was practicing medicine.
And I was seeing a parade of misery passing through every day.
And then the same parade would pass through a second time.
I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
And so I literally would read about different remedies.
And then I would literally take a person who failed medical therapy and try them out on one remedy after another until I found one that worked.
And then I'd say, okay, fine.
This disease, these remedies work.
Great.
And then every time a person came up with that particular disease, I would use that remedy that I had discovered.
And then I would pick another disease and I would do the same thing, the same thing, the same thing.
And so at the time that the government took my license away, I was seeing about 20 people a day and writing prescriptions for drugs.
Two or fewer people.
And those prescriptions were just renewing old prescriptions for people that, you know, had started with me and who weren't willing to transition away from drugs.
And at that point, was that when you started recommending herbal remedies or testing the herbal remedies on drugs?
Oh, I started that right out the gate.
So when I had my personal crisis with my pregnancy and I became vegetarian, then it was after that that I started my own medical practice.
And then when I noticed how much better I felt, I suggested to people, you know, I'll just write you some more vegetables.
And the sweet spot appeared to be if the meat eater would cut their meat consumption in half.
And double their vegetable consumption, then they were good to go.
That was pretty much what they needed to do.
So they didn't need to actually become vegetarian or vegan, but when they moved in that direction and drank water and pooped more often, they were pretty much healed.
That's pretty general.
There's some specifics that might, you know, tweak from the person.
Well, yeah, I see that you, you know, I mean, there are, okay.
So, but there are, and I can't interview you for a real long time here because I'm on a limited time schedule here.
But I do want to try to get a few ideas here out there of things you're working with because...
You know, I was talking to you about the death of Jennifer Janes, and I understand you didn't read the book and maybe don't know anything about it.
Yeah, I try not to get into that negative stuff.
I appreciate that.
But there is, you know, basically she was revealing...
In essence, what you're revealing, I guess, for all intents and purposes.
Exactly.
In a fictional novel.
Fiction, okay?
And she was, in my opinion, killed for it.
So what happens is, the interesting thing is, it does surround, the novel surrounds vaccines, and it surrounds a specific kind of vaccine, which is supposed to be a so-called preventative immunotherapy.
It's a oncological vaccine, okay, containing what are called immunocuticals.
And one of their base ingredients actually is aluminum, which has been found to be quite bad.
And they are bypassing the brain, whatever they call it, brain barrier barrier.
brain blood barrier blood brain blood brain barrier and i consulted with uh uh uh visit he's a an expert on physics but he he's also an herbologist an expert in that area right and so he he clarified for me what i'm talking about here because obviously i'm not a doctor
i haven't studied this stuff but i could clearly see the link up between including aluminum and that's been found to be a big problem and the fact that these immunosuiticals sound extremely suspicious and She based all her book on research, real research.
Because she actually was a health professional.
So this is what's so interesting about it.
So I wanted to ask you, have you come across this where children are being forced vaccines that actually are ruining their health?
And I wondered if you could address how they can be including this thing called aluminum and how they could be including also other things in these so-called preventative So it's supposed to be preventical.
Immunaceuticals, because it's a big business right now.
Yeah, I think sometimes it takes, you have to take the 30 mile high view to see what's going on here.
And so when you get down into the details and the minutiae of what's in the vaccines, you miss the whole point.
So let's just take the 30 mile high view.
Number one, there is no such thing as immunity.
Number two, vaccines don't work.
So, since there's no such thing as immunity, and they don't work, we don't need to go to, are they safe?
That's irrelevant, because they're ineffective.
Alright, so the next question is, what are they injecting and why?
Right?
So the answer, for the answer, we can jump back a few thousand years to, you know, prehistoric man or pre-modern man.
And whenever you have a society and you have a ruling class or ruling system, you have to separate out people who are loyal, who are faithful, and who are obedient.
And so vaccine for a modern man is simply a ritual of obedience, of submission.
The same way that you bow to the king and he slices your shoulder with a sword and you endure that to show your loyalty.
Vaccines are the same thing.
If you try and make anything more of them than that, then you're missing the point, in my opinion.
Okay, well, that's all fair and good, and I would certainly agree with you on that.
But I know that people that, you know, with children who are trying to say yes or no, now, they've already decided they're succumbing to the system in a certain sense.
There are, you know, American citizens that...
Right, but they have to understand what are they saying yes to.
Sure.
This has nothing to do with the health of the baby.
This has to do with...
It's like throwing your baby into the fire in human sacrifice, right?
Okay, we're going to have six kids because we're going to throw one in the fire and sacrifice them because that's what the government wants us to do because we're going to be obedient and we don't want to have any sign of disobedience here.
So what they are doing is just as sensible as that decision.
Now you might agree with it, you might not agree with it, whatever, I have no judgment.
But that is what they are doing.
All they are doing is engaging in an act of ritual obedience.
It's a personal decision.
It's like me telling you, you should be Catholic, or you should be Muslim, or you should be Jewish.
It's none of my business.
You know what I mean?
It's a personal decision for you to make.
Okay, but at the end of the day, they will say, okay, you've made an assumption.
The assumption is that vaccines don't work.
It's not an assumption.
It's an observation.
Okay, as a doctor...
And there's evidence.
Okay, so talk about that.
Talk about how...
Open your package insert for your vaccine.
They will say there is no scientific evidence this vaccine is effective.
Okay, so there you have.
Confession.
Straight up.
Read the package insert.
That's number one.
Okay, but let's just say...
You're not going to believe that, right?
Because you don't believe your government would recommend something that's just not effective.
So let's talk about herpes.
We have a virus called herpes.
Herpes, the same virus, causes chicken pox, genital herpes, and shingles.
The same virus.
How are you going to have three separate vaccines?
Right?
Not only that, how come a chicken pox vaccine It's not effective.
It doesn't prevent genital herpes in the young adult.
How come the vaccine for shingles doesn't prevent shingles?
How come you need boosters?
Well, you need a booster because the first shot didn't work.
All right?
So let's look at the MMR. You get the first shot at one year of age.
All right?
That doesn't work.
So you get the second shot at four years of age.
All right?
That doesn't work.
So you get the third shot at age 13.
Well, that doesn't work.
And another shot at age 18.
Well, that doesn't work.
But, you know, let's not stop there.
So we've got these vaccines.
You have to keep getting more and more and more and more and more just because they don't work.
Now, the next thing is they have had disease outbreaks in fully vaccinated populations.
The vaccines simply don't work.
That's it.
Since there's no such thing as immunity, and they don't protect you against disease, and we're having more outbreaks now with a higher vaccination rate than we had 20 years ago with a lower vaccination rate.
So, they don't work.
Okay.
Now, just for example, because, you know, there's also the issue with pets.
You know, there's like an avalanche right now of remedies.
Yeah, again, once you decide That you're gonna not resist the vaccine for your children, then they go after your pets, and then they come after you.
Right.
So at what point are you gonna say, enough?
Sure.
Okay, now, what would you say to the people that would say, oh, well, epidemics have been prevented by vaccines, you know, would you say that's true or false?
No, absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
So if you look at the decline In communicable diseases, it's going down, down, down.
I mean, precipitously, boom, going down.
They introduce vaccines, there's an actual blip, increase.
So the decline in illness would have been even greater had they never vaccinated.
And if that's not enough for you, let's take a look at polio.
So this really shook me to my core because I went to medical school.
I was told this stuff worked.
I believe in it.
I vaccinated my kids, right?
So I didn't know.
I believed it.
So here it is, 1988.
I'm in the middle of nowhere.
I'm in the wilderness.
I'm working with the Indians, American Indians, on reservations in the United States.
And so the only way for me to keep up is to subscribe to these services that send me cassettes in the mail, right?
So my age is showing.
And so I would listen to these cassettes, listen to these cassettes.
And so here it is, 19, about 88.
And I get a cassette in the mail, pop it in, and it says, the only cases of polio in South America, Central America, and North America in the past 20 years is from the vaccine, period.
If you want to avoid polio, the only way to avoid polio is to avoid the vaccine.
What?
How come you're still recommending this?
No answer, right?
Very incredible, yeah.
But this is what is known.
And as for movies, the movie to watch is I Am Legend with Will Smith.
The whole movie is about an epidemic created by vaccines.
Yeah, I've seen it.
No one's killed Will Smith.
I don't know what the deal is here.
But all I'm saying is, This is well known information.
The reason vaccines are required is an act, a political act Of submission to identify submissive citizens and rebellious citizens.
That's all.
Right.
Okay.
Well, I'm with you on that and I appreciate that.
But, you know, for my listeners' benefit, you know, I want to make these things clear.
So, because there are a lot of people, some people on the fence, some people, you know, want to do it sometimes and not others and so on and so forth.
Exactly.
Right.
So, what I'm saying is you need to understand what you're doing and why you're doing it.
And so there's all kinds of ways around it, and each person has to make their own decision.
I don't believe in organizing and banding together.
All it does is make a bigger, easy target for whoever to reach.
So each person needs to make up their own mind how they want to participate in this primitive cultural ritual.
Okay, great.
So at this point, we're going to wind this down.
So what I'd like to do is I'd like you to give your website out.
It's also linked on my website on this post about this show and so on and so forth.
I think it's vitalitycapsules.com.
I think it's pretty simple.
But there's an interesting thing that happens when you go there the first time, at least on Google, they give you a warning saying it's not safe.
Do you know that?
No.
Let me go there and see.
Yeah, that's on Google.
It happened to me, actually, when I came over to this country, the UK, and it happened to me in the US. Then once you go there, apparently, it figures your lost cause and lets you go.
And I think they do that from time to time on my website.
It's the ISP that allows this to happen, I think.
It gets a warning saying, you know, this is an unsafe website.
Oh, okay.
It's been cleared up.
That warning has been cleared.
Okay.
And that's another thing people don't realize.
It makes your expenses of existing go up.
So I have to constantly hire, you know, web people and pay them several thousands, thousands of dollars to keep the site accessible.
Right.
Okay, so I'd like to give you the floor for any wrap-up comments in general.
I'd love to, you know, we do have a big chat room here that goes on along with the show.
I might have five minutes for one or two questions if you want to try to fit that in from the...
From the audience, they're typed, you know, it's a chat room.
So I have to read the question that I would select.
And we can do that.
But I'd also like you to be able to have some closing comments, things that you would like to get out there while you're on my show.
And we can have you back.
So it's not, you know, it's not endless.
It's not the last chance.
And, you know, I think very highly of your work, so I do want to do that.
But for now, could you give some wrap-up comments, and then we'll ask a couple questions from the chat, and then we'll wrap the show up, okay?
The wrap-up is the modern medical system as we know it is literally the biggest threat to your health.
A lot of people say, well, what am I going to do instead?
And a lot of people, you know, you don't smoke cigarettes.
But no one asks, what should I do instead?
I'm going to stop smoking cigarettes.
What do I smoke instead?
No, just quit the cigarettes and you're good.
So I would say at least do that.
Also visit vitalitycouncils.com.
I have a wonderful report there on the miracle healing effects of turpentine.
No, I don't sell turpentine.
But turpentine is the one thing.
If you can figure out how to use it, and this report tells you how, you can literally save thousands of dollars in healthcare costs a year.
And personally, I would say over my lifetime, I've easily saved over $100,000 just from being aware of this situation.
So go to the website, enter your email address, get your free report.
It's called The Candida Cleaner and tells you all about turpentine.
I do have other services I sell.
I have Vitality Capsules, which is a supplement that helps you poop.
And I do have limited appointments, not many, but limited appointments.
And I have a monthly membership program to help people become the healer in their home.
Okay, lovely.
So I'm just into the chat here, and then...
So I'm going to look for some good questions.
If you have one, please let me know.
And let's see.
The New York Times just admitted to the fact that interstitium is a new connection to...
I don't even know what that word means.
Interstitium.
Does that mean anything?
Interstitium.
Interstitium.
I-N-T-E-R-S-T-I-T-I-U-M. Interstitium.
Interstitium.
It's a fancy word for connective tissue.
Does that make any sense to you?
That statement?
Yeah, it does make sense.
But what the medical industrial complex does is they take a word, connective tissue, fascia, lymphatics, Interstitium.
Those are all synonyms.
And so they'll rename something and make up a new word.
You think, oh, this is something new.
And it's not.
It's the same old thing.
So all those words I just said to you, lymphatics, connective tissue, interstitium, they're all the same.
Okay, so there's nothing revealing there and anything special to do with what they, I don't know what they're trying to say, what you, what that, you know, whether you do something to affect your tissue and then you affect cancer.
No, this is normal tissue.
This is normal tissue you have in your body.
And so when this normal tissue you have in your body is filled with toxins and junk and crap, then you can go on to get cancer.
But that doesn't change anything.
Okay, so go ahead and drink some more water, poop some more, don't eat crappy stuff.
You know, it's not news.
Alright, and the other question, and this is the last one, is about antibiotics.
Anything, what would you say about those?
This is really controversial.
We don't have enough time to go into detail.
A total 100% hoax.
H-O-A-X. They never worked.
They do not work.
They will not work.
Okay, excellent.
Okay, well, thank you so much.
It's a lot of fun to listen to you, and I really appreciate you being on the show, and let's have you back.
So thanks a lot, and everyone, thanks for listening and watching, and have a good, actually, weekend if I don't do anything live.
I'm not sure, you know, I'm actually doing interviews here in England, so we're going to try to get some of those up after the fact.
And so on.
But thank you, Jennifer.
I'm going to let you go.
If you want donations, is there a donation button on your site?
No, there's not a donation button on my site.
But people can sign up for my newsletter and get their free report for Turpentine.
All right.
Excellent.
All right.
You take care and we'll have you back.
Okay.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.
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