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Oct. 3, 2019 - Project Camelot
02:11:40
UPDATE: THE PENTRYCH UFO INCIDENT WITH CAZ AND GARI
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Thank you.
Thank you.
Hi, everyone.
I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy to be here today.
We're going to do a fascinating show.
This is going to be with Kaz Clark and Gary.
And Gary, you're going to kill me.
I don't remember your last name, but we'll get that.
And so let me bring you guys on the screen here.
So, Gary, what's your last name?
My name's Jones, Gary Jones.
Oh, how hard can that be?
Okay, so Gary Jones and Kaz Clark, and it's great to have you guys back with me today.
And what we're going to do now is I'd like you guys to give a brief overview of yourselves.
So a short bio.
I've been just having a complete nightmare over here, so just bear with me.
All of this is new technology.
My computer didn't Work anymore.
We had to get a new computer and now we've been setting up this new computer like crazy.
So if we're broadcasting and everything is good, it's actually just short of a miracle.
So at any rate, can you talk a little bit about each of your backgrounds and then we'll launch into a short overview and actually have each of you do that about the incident because I did the previous interview with you and so we want to bring all of that into this and so that people have a good background to what has been going on before we launch into the update.
Okay?
So let's start with Kaz.
Okay, I'm Kaz Clark and I'm a primary witness to what's now known as the...
- What's that?
I don't understand. - Technology, yeah.
I mean, I'm sorry, I'm at college.
Okay.
All right.
I don't know what to say.
What?
Can people hear us now?
People do seem to be able to hear you now.
So let's start again.
So basically this is an update on the Pentrick incident.
And if you can start at the beginning, Kaz, again, with your background, a short version of your background, and then the incident itself.
So go ahead.
I used to have a background in security.
I didn't have any interest in UFOs.
I didn't have any interest in UFOs.
I didn't have any interest in UFOs all my life.
My very first sighting was when I was seven years old.
It was a black disc-shaped object with red, yellow and orange lights.
From that point on, I always knew the sky was full of these amazing things.
I haven't touched a thing.
If the sound is gone, people are saying the sound's gone.
Look, we're being sort of attacked in every way lately because I did this interview with Mark Richards, and I don't even know if you can hear me.
I know you guys can hear me.
Yeah.
Somebody interrupting the stream, are they?
It appears that's what's happening.
No, I mean, people think I'm muting you.
We're not muting our guests, okay?
They haven't been muted at all the whole time, so whoever thinks that, they're wrong.
I have muted myself so that there wouldn't be an echo, but that shouldn't be a problem since I'm not talking.
And so I don't know what's happening here.
Can you hear my guests at all?
Try talking again.
Hi, guys.
Can everybody hear us?
Give Kelly a thumbs up if you count.
Are we coming through nice and clear now?
Is everything okay and the viewers end?
Now they say yes.
We're touching nothing, so go ahead.
Let's just talk about the updates.
Screw it.
They can watch the previous interview.
I'm afraid.
This actually involves military, both British and US. This is a very important story, so bear with us here.
We are being heavily attacked, and so we'd appreciate that.
Thank you.
Okay.
We have some phenomenal updates for you.
Answers to questions our critics said that we would never get, and at long last, we have got.
Just a week before our third year anniversary of the event, we got the final answers that we've been waiting for from South Wales Police, the Ministry of Defence, the RAF, and the hospital.
We actually know now that the people that came here shortly after the event were military and hid behind Section 26, not in the public interest.
And they were carrying live rounds, not blank ammunition.
And yet they had a covert cover story that they were Vodafone or a fracking survey team.
They didn't come in military vehicles and their tents and equipment, well their tents were not military but their equipment was.
So why the cover story?
Why say that they were Vodafone when in reality they weren't military?
We have that as fact now.
We know who they were.
We've also had answers from the Royal Mint because there was some Suggestion that the drill was to do with the Royal Mint, but we've actually had an answer from the Royal Mint themselves, and this had absolutely nothing to do with them.
I know, because I saw the whole event, so I know that it's nothing to do with the Royal Mint, and I also know that it was not an exercise.
It was real life, real time, and the military were waiting for it.
In fact, if the military hadn't flagpolled the situation, I wouldn't have been out there watching to see what they were looking for because after three days and three nights of continuous air flight above my house involving two aircraft that one would take over from the other and they never left the airspace unwatched we completely eliminated everything else that clearly they were watching for something so we decided to go out and watch with them and we did not expect to see what
happened that night and what came into our world From another dimension was a full-sized pyramid that jettisoned smaller craft.
I do have an artist's impression of the craft itself that I'd like to show you because we only had a flat 3D type thing.
A flat 2D, I should say.
And I don't know if people can see this, but this was the pyramid shape that came into our world and jettisoned At least 15 to 20 smaller craft and the military were here waiting for it and had been watching for it for the best part of three days and three nights.
My neighbour Dave and I were approached by two of the objects that came out of this craft and I have an artist's impression of that also.
They were both red barrel shaped objects There's one above the hedge there, and then the green one, well, they were both red, and then this one changed to green as it came over the top of us and scanned us.
Okay, now we can see that, but if you could center it a little bit more, because we weren't getting the whole picture, so maybe try to put it up a little bit more centered.
Great, so people can see the perspective of the humans to the objects.
Okay, go ahead.
That's the closest picture I have to what actually happened that night.
And those two things came to us after the military had chased after the green object that first came out of the pyramid.
It was like it was fired out of a cannon.
It came out so fast.
And it was so bright, I couldn't tell you what shape it was.
And it just seemed to wait and watch clearly for the military aircraft.
This green object had flashed three really bright strobes at the military aircraft and skipped away in an excited fashion that four military aircraft were pursuing it or following it.
And it was brighter than the moonlight.
It bathed all of the planes in green light.
You could see all the outlines of all the engines and the fuselages of these planes.
And we watched it until we couldn't see it anymore.
It headed in the direction of Plantriscent.
And those two barrel objects Dave, my neighbour, said that 15 or 20 of these things came out of the top of the pyramid that just seemed to hover around the very top of it, and I didn't see any of them because I was fixated on it touching the ground.
I thought it was actually landing, but actually, as I said previously, the ground rises there because it's the foot of the Garth Mountain, and this hand of lightning, as I described it, that came out of this pyramid I said reached out to touch the ground but it was more like it was trying to stop itself from touching the ground and then the whole thing lit up really brightly so you could see that it was a pyramid and not just a string of lights for example.
When the planes went overhead I looked away just for a moment as these two C-17 American propeller driven planes flew over the top of me and when I looked back I couldn't see the pyramid anymore but there's been some very Interesting evidence that's come up from those fields.
I mean, the military that came here afterwards was searching those fields wearing forensic suits, fingertip search, doing...
I don't know what they were doing, but they didn't like being watched.
And if anybody came into the fields, they would all stop what they were doing and stand up and stare at you until you were outside, which is very unnerving because they didn't behave like civilians either.
And now we know they were not.
The crash site was also very interesting.
We've done some tests up there.
Very high EMF readings.
It snowed at the crash site and at the near landing field.
And only in those two areas.
Nowhere else in Wales did it snow on that day.
And we have the evidence for that as well.
Very unusual.
The snow itself was very unusual.
I can't really say a lot more other than what I saw.
Gary has been the lead investigator in this case since October of 2017.
We have some phenomenal updates for you with regard to the police and the Ministry of Defence and the Air Force.
And I'd like to hand you over to Gary so that he can start to explain some of the things that we couldn't last time.
Okay, go ahead.
Well, okay.
I suppose I'll begin with the scans of the fields that we actually did.
What we did originally is we took an EMF detector and we scanned the fields many, many times.
And in the areas where we got the readings is where Kaz and David said they'd seen this big, large pyramid-shaped craft come near the ground.
Now, there are many different fields around the surrounding areas, and we didn't really get any readings at all.
Now, in my original video, and when I came up to...
Sorry, let me just grab this.
When I came up to Botford, and I spoke with you on the interview there, this is the original graph that I drew.
I don't know if you can see that.
It's got, like, magnetic readings on there, EMF readings.
And you can see like a line that follows from the bottom to the top of the field.
Yes.
That's the path that it took.
That's the path that we found and that's what Kaz said to us even before we started scanning, that it took this very interesting path here and ended up touching at the top near enough touching the field and that hand of lightning came down.
Now Since then, I've been scanning those fields some more and we took radiation readings of this, Geiger counter readings and things like that.
I wasn't able to put those readings in the presentation the last time because I didn't know how to fully interpret them.
But since then, I've given them to people who are more knowledgeable on this than I am.
Let me just show you something.
This is just a little diagram of what we...
I don't know if people can see that, but that's just some of the readings that we got.
Okay, that's hard to read.
Can you explain it?
I'll be making this all public very soon anyway.
I've since put it out on my Facebook page.
But what it suggests is that the radiation readings that we took, which was like 18 to 21 months after the event...
The person who I've been conferring with on this suggests that the highest readings that we got, it's, understand this now, it's equal to, if you're in the field for one hour where this event took place, you're getting the equivalent of, in one hour, 21 days normal background radiation.
So we get background radiation all the time, but if you're in those fields for one hour, you're getting 21 days worth of it.
That's the maximum readings that we got.
And something that I may have mentioned before, but I'll make clear now.
Many of us who went into those fields, and we were in there for two, three hours at a time, on at least half a dozen occasions.
We ended up getting very ill by being in those fields.
It's like radiation poisoning kind of sickness we had.
So like mild doses of it.
But we were suffering from nausea.
Skin irritation, itchiness of the eyes and skin.
We felt dizzy and very tired and headaches also, yes, the migraines were terrible.
Some people felt like they were being electrocuted or their skin was on fire, very sensitive to the touch.
And this is all symptoms of what people would call maybe mild radiation poisoning.
That in itself is very interesting because I'm not the only person who got this.
I'd say at least 12 other people suffered the same illnesses or the same ailments.
And that's just conclusive of everything that we have found that physically we got sick.
We detected it with radiation detectors and electromagnetic radiation detectors and we did scan those fields also with metal detectors to make sure there was nothing under the ground to make sure we weren't getting any false positives.
Recently, I put out a video which I called EMF Enhancement Study.
And what that looked at was the normal radiation levels of that area, what's in the bedrock, and what you would expect to find laying in the ground as well.
And nothing would suggest anything that there's anything abnormal there that would give those kinds of readings.
Now, we got the same readings or similar readings in Smilog Wood, where The second site was the impact site, as we call it, where the broken trees were.
And it's just interesting that we have, you know, the strange snow that Kaz talks about, the EMF and Geiger counter readings that we got.
And on top of that, you know, we've got physical evidence of the area being impacted by something because it's not just the trees in the Smilog Woods, which were snapped and where the snow was.
You go back to where the large pyramid craft appeared and where we got the trail of EMF readings and all that.
Some of the trees, branches, the grass, they look like they've been affected by high EMF or some sort of radiation has affected them because they looked very...
What's the word I'm looking for?
Very lifeless.
Some of the trees are dead.
Some of the grass looked like it lost...
Some of the shine, you know, it looked very pale green.
There's a chemical in grass and trees, the leaves of trees, called chlorophyll.
It's what gives it that unique green shine.
That's what makes it look very green.
In those areas alone, especially where those two barrel-shaped objects appeared, the trees, the bushes, the grass, it all looked dead or lifeless.
But here's the thing now.
Three and a half years on, or nearly four years now, it's all regenerated, it's all regrown.
Those areas have recovered and I've got photographs of that and things as it progresses through.
So yeah, the trees that are dead have not recovered, but everything else has pretty much re-greened and rejuvenated and that in itself is just more evidence that something affected them.
Nature has taken its course and repaired the damage and Yeah, it just shows that if you look at the historical evidence of other UFO cases where they've come close to the ground, they've been seen in countryside and farmland areas, similar things have been reported.
And it's just, for me, more and more evidence that just proves conclusively that what Kaz and Dave saw that night is true.
And the physical evidence and the scientific things that we did prove that.
We've had more witnesses come forward.
One of the questions you asked me last time was what happened to the rest of those objects that came out of the pyramid?
And at the time, I didn't know.
But we've had a witness come forward who actually made a comment three and a half nearly four years ago that we'd overlooked, we didn't see it at the time, who saw a cluster of green coloured lights being pursued by military jets We have witnesses in Penarth who also saw lights.
We have witnesses in Cowbridge who also saw lights being pursued by helicopters.
So they were all over South Wales.
And this so-called exercise that wasn't an exercise moved from Penturk to Lhantresent to Bridgend to Neath To Swansea.
And out to sea.
So this was something that was moving.
And they moved with it.
Okay.
What about...
Wasn't there a hospital down the hill?
Yes.
Yes.
There's a hospital near the Smilog Woods area called Royal Gamorgan Hospital.
And people made comments online about that as well.
The loud explosions which happened around just after 4am.
That was...
There's the comments.
There was one particular person who was a patient in the Royal Glamorgan Hospital.
I spoke to the daughter of this person because I found her comment online.
Her father is a former RAF man.
I believe his role was dealing with ordnance and the equipment itself.
And he said when he was in his bed, he heard loud rolls of engines, he heard gunfire.
And then, you know, this incredible explosion, which Shook the Royal Morgan Hospital down to its foundations.
The doors rattled, the windows rattled.
He was sleeping in, lying in his hospital bed, and the bed actually shook.
It vibrated very suddenly.
That, to me, suggests a very powerful explosive of some kind, whatever may have been on the Apache helicopters, which I do believe was the source of this explosion.
Because there's an area just behind the Royal Glamorgan Hospital, right?
You have Royal Glamorgan Hospital.
Over this way you would have Smilog Woods if you're watching it on a map.
And just behind it you have a place called Lantress and Common.
It's like a large open field area of marshy land and grassland and stuff.
And that's where a lot of smoke was seen.
Fog-like smoke which smelt of sulphur.
Sulfur-like smells.
It entered into the hospitals, would you believe it?
Came through the vents and windows and people said they were smelling this.
And it registered on the Richter scale, 40 miles away.
There's a station in Monmouth, 40 miles northeast of this area.
We're in the Royal Camorgan Hospital area.
And I sent a Freedom of Information request off asking for readings of the Richter scale.
On those machines that they use.
And when I looked at Friday at 4 a.m.
in the morning, there it was.
Just a little signal, but enough to suggest that something had been recorded on their devices.
Now, I asked the British Geological Survey about this, and they said that, yes, it's a small transient signal, and the only likely cause of it is by human machinery.
So it had to have come from the military because they were the only thing active that night.
And we know that because they claim it was an exercise, but we now know it's not an exercise.
They were here for the real-life event, which was what Kaz and Dave saw.
And I do believe that this green object that went in the direction of Lantrisent was the thing that they fired upon.
Now, I don't know if they actually hit it, but I would strongly suggest that they did.
Because the trees in Smilog Woods were, as you say, shattered to pieces.
There were six of them.
Six big trees which left a trail of canopies and branches right into the area where I was able to record EMF readings and Geiger counter readings.
I spoke to two witnesses the same morning of the 26th of February 2016.
They were just walking dogs on Planches and Common.
Where a meticulous metal surge had taken place.
All of the scrap metal that had been on the common for years had all been neatly stacked up along the roadside.
And I asked, bearing in mind, this is the morning after, the night before, if they had heard or seen anything.
And they told me that there were two explosions.
One air explosion and a second one that sounded like something hit the ground a few seconds later.
And that would explain this immense amount of smoke that was falling...
From the air and going through the windows of the hospital.
And the second explosion, I believe, was whatever they shot at.
And I believe that that was the green object that they recovered.
They spent around three hours doing the metal search and the recovery and cleanup from Smilog Woods.
But they had no permission to be in there at all.
The military had no permission to do an exercise of any kind in Smilog Woods whatsoever.
And yet they were there for three hours.
And the little plane, ZZ4184SNAKE48, that had been circling here for three days and three nights with its partner plane, ZG996, left here and was circling Smilog Woods, but not just anywhere in Smilog Woods, the exact impact site.
And not only was it circling that area, it had dropped in altitude and airspeed, looking or watching something.
So all of the miles of Smilog Woods, it just happens to be circling the exact impact site.
These are all in our presentations that we've done and I think we talked about this when we came up to your Awaken Aware conference in Watford?
Yes, that's right.
I want to go on a bit about what happened after the explosion and what happened after the Smilog Woods incident, which, you know, caused the Royal Gamorgan Hospital to shake.
When we talked about the exercises, right, for those who don't know what a NOTAM is, N-O-T-A-M, it stands for NOTIS to Airmen.
Now, typically, when a military exercise takes place, they issue one of these to say that this airspace is actually off-limits to civilian aircraft.
You're not supposed to fly through there because the military...
Practicing, of course.
Now, I just want to show you this map here.
I don't know if people can see this.
Let me know if you can.
Can you make that out?
Yes.
Okay.
I don't know if you can see this circle here, right?
This larger circle around the back there?
Can you see that?
Okay, that's actually the boundaries of where this exercise was supposed to take place, right?
This large circle around the outer rim.
Now, I'm just going to point to a place here.
My finger will be on it.
Right there.
This is Neath.
This is heading down westward to West Wales.
This is Neath right here, right?
Cardiff and Lantrescent and Pentook are in the Circle area.
This area by here is now called Neath, okay?
Now, why this is a significant thing I want to show you...
Because when I went on to...
Swansea's radio station.
It's like a popular radio station called The Wave.
The Wave won last year.
It's called The Wave.
This is a story that they put out the following day.
I don't know if people can see that, but it's a picture of a helicopter, and the title of the actual article says that helicopters keep South Wales up after 4 a.m.
That is the gist of the actual title.
Can you see that, Kerry?
Yes, we can.
Okay.
Now, why is 4 a.m.
significant?
Because if you go back and watch the presentations that we've done, the planes that were circling the Pentoke area on the three days and three nights, they were in the Pentoke area, right, where the large pyramid was.
Yeah?
The jet and all the smaller craft and the green one that came out of it as well.
Okay.
And once the pyramid had disappeared or gone from human sight...
All efforts then concentrated on Smilog Wood, which is up by the Royal Gamorgan Hospital, yeah?
And playing ZZ418, which we call Snake 48, that was its call sign, started circling the Smilog Woods, and after about 4.15, 4.30 a.m., he too then decides he's going to go westward and take a look at whatever else may be going on, because he heads down to Swansea.
Now this is significant because Neith is on the way to Swansea.
I want to show you something here.
I just need to get my map up because on that story, the wave, people were commenting about all this, the night's events.
This is where we found one of the comments about the person who had seen this cluster of green lights, which we believe, which I think is true now, is many of these Green objects that came out of the large pyramid and then followed it down westward.
They were chasing them.
Right.
Okay.
This might take a little...
I'll just go straight to this one.
I placed on Google Earth Maps a pin of every address or placement of people who had commented on this story to see where exactly they heard noise, where the military vehicles were, right?
Now, I don't know if you can see this, but I'll try and point it out.
There's Neath right there.
Remember I said that's Neath?
Look, can you see it?
Yes.
You see all those yellow pin dots there?
Right.
These are actual people who reported helicopters, jets or planes or loud military plays straight after about 4.30am from 5am onwards into the sunrise of the morning.
Right?
Right.
Now, that map that I just showed you, with the no time on it, the circle and everything, that's well outside the boundaries of where they said their exercise was going to take place.
Yeah?
Now, the MOD do have permission to do exercise anywhere they want because that's part of their mandate.
But this is late, or early hours of the morning, and they're waking up all of South Wales...
For no other reason than a military exercise, according to them.
But we know that this was a real-life event with a large interdimensional craft coming into the Pentirk area.
And those smaller craft, which they let off, they say 15 to 20, could have been 30, you reckon?
No, I wouldn't even exaggerate.
It was 15 or 20.
But I only saw two of those objects, and they came to us afterwards.
And...
My guess is those 15 to 20 went off in different areas, and I'd say a good portion of them headed off down to the Swansea area because of the witness who saw these cluster of lights, and he said that they were being pursued by helicopters and jets and everything else.
They moved from here in Lantris and Pentirk area, and then they shifted it all, most of their aerial vehicles and firepower, down to Sorry, the Swansea-Neath areas, which was well outside the zone of what they put on the military exercise, which suggests to me that, yeah, they were given chase and whether they were trying to defend us from them or they were trying to incapacitate them, I don't know.
But this went on well outside the area and well outside the hours they said their exercise was taking place, which is, I find, very significant because, you know, so many people in the comments just said, oh, it's a military exercise.
It's a military exercise.
That's what they're doing.
But they're outside the boundaries of what they've laid down themselves, and they've taken it all across South Wales.
The whole of South Wales, virtually, was a hub of activity for UFO sightings, these green clustery lights, these objects, whatever they may have been, the ones that came up, the cars and Dave.
So, I mean, and since then, I should add as well that a number of these objects have actually been seen.
Because after the 26th of February, 2016, I'm going to show you a picture here, right?
Because St.
Athen is the base where this operation took place.
And there's a picture here.
Can you see that?
Yes, it's rather difficult though.
Okay, I'll read it out for you, right?
It's a story off of Twitter.
And it comes from the National Police Air Service in St.
Athen.
Now, it talks about an object which they tracked on September 2016.
I believe the date is September 23rd.
Now, they said air traffic control didn't see anything.
When the helicopter pilots were looking with their eyes and the color cameras on board, they couldn't see anything.
It's only until they turned on the infrared imaging equipment, the thermal imaging equipment, that they actually saw this thing.
And I've got a picture of it here.
Can you see that funny object?
Yes.
That's actually one I took in 2019 of this year.
There's an object here.
I don't know if people can see it.
That's the one that was captured on the thermal imaging camera.
Do you see the similarities?
They look like...
A little bit.
Well, this one is very hard to see in black and white on the camera, but this one here, it looks very, very similar.
And you can see there's a sort of a shadow effect behind it.
But these objects are being reported all the time now in Lantresen, Pentur, Cardiff, all around South Wales.
These are what people are seeing.
And it only happened, if you check the dates, it only started to happen after the day of 26th of February 2016.
Okay, but what is the size of, you know, approximate size of those objects?
I'd say reports vary from maybe the size of a car to maybe a small van.
That's the size I get, 15 to 30 feet.
That's what people say to me.
All right, and the people that have seen them, do they talk about them as if they are what you might call drones?
Or do they say they're under, you know, intelligent control?
Intelligent control seems to be more the basis for what they say.
Some people have talked to me.
Some of these sightings have appeared on UFO sites where they catalog these things.
People send sightings in.
Sometimes it's just a description.
Sometimes they send in videos.
I do have an article coming out soon called The Welsh Old Mysteries, I call it, because I don't know what they are, but they are mysterious in nature.
And it's going to be in the Outer Limits magazine with Chris Evers, so I'll keep people updated on that.
But since the Pentook incident, these things have been reported, they're being recorded, they're being filmed, and they appear to be under intelligent control.
They seem to have a mind or a consciousness of their own.
And just recently around here, I mean, in April, May and June, we had a number of sightings.
I saw a few sightings.
Cars saw a few.
Some other people took videos of them as well.
We have videos and photographs of them.
They're everywhere around here now.
The sightings in this area have increased tenfold since the 26th of February.
I've had people at my home to come and view these things who have never seen one before in their life and are in awe of what they are seeing because they defy gravity.
They are not drones.
They're far too big and too bright.
There is no...
No noise from these things whatsoever.
Completely silent.
No down graph.
No nothing.
And they are and appear to be intelligent.
Like those barrels on that night seem to have a consciousness.
I didn't see any aliens but they were like I want to say living machines almost.
That they communicated with each other.
Yes.
I didn't see any windows.
You know these things seem to be The essence of a living thing.
That's the only way I can describe them.
Now, what about the idea of whether you were, you have been regressed and whether or not you have missing time?
I do have an hour's missing time and I didn't realize that.
It was only afterwards when I discussed it with Dave, when we then contact, well, Swansea contacted me and we went through the timeline And the explosion and what time that happened, it then occurred to us that we'd lost an hour in time.
And that scares me, Kerry, more than anything.
I like to be in control.
I've been quite a strong, independent woman all my life and I've had to make decisions in very stressful situations.
I like to be in control.
To not be in control and not know what happened for that hour scares me more than anything.
Okay, and what about Dave?
Did he have missing time?
Yes.
He did, yes.
So, when you say yes, does that mean that you suddenly remember or that you both have been to somebody to have a regression or any of this sort of thing?
Not a regression, no.
It's only through the timeline and the hearing of the explosion and then knowing that that explosion took place At 4.21 when we saw those objects come out of that pyramid at 2.40 and the whole event here lasted around about four minutes and that's just a rough estimate.
So what happened to the rest of that time?
For us, it felt like we were only stood out at the gate for 10 minutes because we'd walked down to the second gate to see if we could see any of those barrel objects, any more of those, because Dave had said he saw 15 or 20 of them.
So we walked down to the second gate just to see if we could see them.
And then we'll back to the first gate and then back home.
So for us, we'd only been out there for 10 minutes at that gate.
And then the huge explosion...
Well, we'd clearly been out there for a lot longer than 10 minutes.
And that scares me.
Because for us, it was momentary.
And in reality, Quite a long period of time had elapsed, and we can't account for that.
Right, very interesting.
Alright, so in terms of this investigation that you're doing, and Gary, I guess you're saying is doing most of it, right Gary?
Oh yes.
Quite a lot of work.
Okay, so what I want to ask you is whether or not you are finding yourself To be followed by any military, you know, individuals, police, etc.
If you've had any interference that's escalated since 2016, this sort of thing.
Okay.
I will just say before I get into this, I have noticed just things going missing.
If I upload a post to Facebook, it seems to go missing.
If I put a video out somewhere, it tends to be deleted.
Just recently, where I had a Vimeo account, I was totally removed from that channel.
Some of the videos I had on there were of 9-11 and various other things, but one of them was the Penn Circle UFO Cornwell presentation that we'd done.
And I contacted Vimeo.
I asked them a whole bunch of questions, but basically they just removed my channel for censoring us, basically.
Now, you talk about things being followed or people maybe watching me.
I don't really know.
I wouldn't really know about that, but I'm getting to that.
What I want to show you here is Ben Emling...
Ben Emlyn Jones, I think you may have interviewed him.
Yes, wonderful guy.
Now, on the third anniversary of our PEMTIC updates that we did here, he said he received a phone call from someone who told him not to talk about this case because he was going over to another country, I think it was Denmark for a conference, and he was going to talk about our case.
And as I was getting ready to prepare this third year anniversary update, there was a Facebook account.
And this is the actual account name here.
The person's name is Dunstan R. Baker.
That's the thing they used.
Now, I received some very strange Facebook messengers from this person or whoever it may have been.
And I'll just read it up.
Can I read it up?
Because it may not show up on the screen.
That's a good idea.
It says here, this is his message now.
Hi, Gary.
You've caught our attention over here in the US. We would love to meet you in person.
Could you please let us know what state you live in?
Please, in the UK, use zip code.
Many thanks, Dunstan.
And I get this.
Via Trace, your IP address is coming up as Ron Vickman and Taft, country, Wales.
Is this correct?
Regards, Dunstan.
And also, I got a missed call from him at some point, early hours of the morning.
But...
This person didn't have any friends, didn't have any ears, any other one, any sort of other posts, just that one picture there, right?
And when I made this public on Facebook and I told everyone about it, I went back to find this man's account, or this person's account, and it came up deleted.
I don't know if that comes up there.
Oh, right.
This person actually removed this account and I've never been able to find it since.
I don't know how to interpret that, but to me, someone asking me where I live, Using my IP address to locate me.
Sounds like somebody's putting surveillance on me.
Interesting.
Well, I'm not sure they'd be so obvious about asking you, you know, but generally speaking, where you live...
To try and put some fear in me, or to try and put...
I'm with Ben Emlin at the same time, you know, getting some very interesting phone call about, say, not to talk about Cars Clark.
Now, Ben Emman Jones will tell you this.
His phone is ex-directory.
There's no listing of it in any phone book.
There's only about a dozen or so people who may know his number, or who do know his number, and yet this person was able to phone him directly to his phone.
And he contacted the telephone company, and if I'm getting this right, they couldn't trace the call where it came from.
So it seems, you know, any UFO researcher or any person like ours who's speaking out about this, we seem to be coming under some very strange surveillance or intimidation tactics.
I would also say sometimes I've noticed strange noises down my phone or my internet connections seem to be running very slow.
There's nothing wrong with my connection.
It's like I can't post anything or Something that some passwords don't work correctly the first time.
I don't know what that means, but it just seems to me like somebody's keeping an eye on us.
Well, my Facebook page was hacked and my e-mail account was hacked.
Yeah, my WhatsApp messages were deleted.
Right.
There's a lot that's been going on.
I don't know if this is...
This is some...
Did I mention that I'm falling hungry?
Yeah.
This is something that we've not mentioned before.
I guess you get the exclusive.
When the people who were pitching their tents up in the fields behind this house over here, Kaz and a few others went over there to see what was left.
There was a few pieces of paper and it had an international dial code on there for Hungary.
There was the name on there.
Sabas, was it?
SASBA. SASBA, yeah.
C-S-A-B-A. Which I thought was an abbreviation of something.
I thought it was like a company name or something to do with some...
Yeah, just a company name.
But I did a little digging around and I quickly found out that Saba is actually a person and his specialty, would you believe it, He works with NATO, has done things for NATO, and his specialty is military hacking of computers.
Cyber security.
Cyber security, yeah.
Alright, now where did you, you found this piece of paper?
Somewhere, is that right?
Yeah.
It was a faction of a letterhead, had the letter, the CSABA written on them.
And the International Dialing Code for Hungary and a partial telephone number.
Right.
But was this found in the field where the people had pitched their tents or whatever?
Yes.
Okay.
And that was found by you?
Yes.
And then searched the area to see if they'd left anything.
And that was all that we could find.
I should point out also, before I became fully involved in the investigation in October 2017, CAS was communicating With other people, and this is in emails dated not long after.
With Richard Hall.
Yeah, this was dated in there, and so there's timeline proof of that, that they had found this piece of paper with the dialing code and the international number and everything.
And I did a little, like I said, I did a little checking on the internet, and I found out that he is a person whose specialty is cyber security and military hacking of computers.
And it's just a funny coincidence, isn't it?
Uh-huh, yes.
Kaz's emails and Facebook accounts are hacked.
And Dave's.
And Dave's are hacked.
And information off his computer is hacked as well, removed.
The WhatsApp messages are deleted.
I don't know how anyone would be able to get into all those systems unless they had some sort of specialty to get in there.
That's just my own interpretation, but it just seems to fit everything that we've learned about it.
Right, very strange.
Okay, now what about, this is a bit of a strange question, but the Rendlesham case, did you ever have any sort of interaction around that case and or know the participants?
No, no I don't.
I know who they are but I don't deal with them personally.
Rendlesham Forest is a case I've read about but I don't really Involve myself with it because it's been investigated inside out and there's nothing really new there to learn.
Right, except that there are some elements, it seems, that it shares a little bit with your siding, with Kaz's siding.
Let me see if I can find it.
I do have something here.
I'm going to have to...
Oh, forgive me.
Well, one of the things I will say is...
When Colonel Halt spoke at a press conference, he spoke about how radiation was detected, how the ground had been marked and there was indentations on there and everything.
But something very else is strange about all this is the trees where this incident took place.
They were quickly chopped down and removed from the area.
Right.
And not long after, I mean about a year after the I forget, the Pentirk incident, the trees in Smilog Woods were all chopped down as well, right in the areas where this impact had taken place.
And I've since looked at other cases.
There's a case that not many people know about.
If you search it on YouTube, it's called the European Roswell, but it happened in North Wales or sort of like West, Mid Wales sort of area in a place called Llanilla.
Which is not too far from Aberystwyth, I believe.
The investigator on that one is a person named Gary Rowe.
Now, he actually discovered that a story in a newspaper talked about debris spread all over the ground, like four fields worth.
Something had left four fields of debris.
And he wanted to go out there and get his friends and his fellow team to go and investigate it.
But when they got there, they found out, right, that the MOD or somebody had been there, dug up the entire ground, chopped down all the trees, and cleared it all of debris.
Much like they did with all the scrap metal on Lantris and Common, right, for which the MOD claims Section 26.
It's not in the public interest to know why in a military exercise part of our defense is to clear scrap metal away.
That's been rotten there for years.
And...
Yeah, you know, they're chopping down the trees in Smilog, and then they're sending people to the fields here to take a look around as well.
It's all too familiar.
And Ben Emlyn Jones has talked about a Nottingham case.
I think he calls it the Nottingham Roswell.
That's his title for it.
Trees were damaged there, and then they were quickly chopped down and removed.
There's another case, actually, that I've been looking into.
I'll get into it quickly.
I call it the Denbigh Lights...
It's called the Denby Lights, and it happened in 2012.
A family at four had seen a disc-shaped object which had lights rotating on it.
You couldn't see the object itself very clearly in the camera because they actually recorded actual video evidence, and I've had that video analyzed by a person named Jason Gleaves, who's a former RAF man, who now does analysis on photos and videos.
But the point I'm getting to is...
up there called, I believe it's called Christ or Christ Woods, and they chopped all the trees down there too, or most of them, a huge clearing.
So there seems to be some correlation between UFO sightings or major sightings that get close to the ground in forested areas, and if that happens, they tend to move in very quickly or they move in soon enough and just clear the area of all the physical evidence that may exist in trees because electromagnetic radiation does get into trees also and they can't seem to leave physical evidence if people know how to find it.
Right.
Very good.
I want to...
I'm trying to find...
Sorry, I got so many...
Like I said, we had a special laid-off here because we've got so much evidence now.
Do you want to keep talking a second while I find it?
I'm talking about the road closures and South Wales Police.
We had to wait for three years for them to tell us, via a friggin of information request, why they closed the roads that night.
Because shortly after this explosion, they closed all the roads to the front recant, all of the roads to the heads of the valleys, a section of the M4 motorway, which coincidentally, if that green object, the first green object that came out of the pyramid, had continued in a straight line, was the only section of motorway it would have crossed that night.
One lady was trying to get back from Aberystwyth to Merthyr and took her over three hours to travel a 40-minute journey because every road that she'd gone up that night was closed by the police.
Serving policemen told her that a lorry had overturned and every road that she had tried, she was given the same story.
Oh, wow.
That's very good.
That's a very big lorry.
Yeah.
So anyway, we asked the South Wales police Why they closed all the roads?
Well, we asked the Ministry of Defence and they told us that it was South Wales Police.
And initially they told us it was a vexatious request and refused to answer.
So Gary submitted it and wanted an internal review and it took them, as I say, nearly three years to answer us.
But apparently they can't find any evidence of any road closures that night, yet The police officers involved have all left the police force.
So if they can find no evidence, how do they know which police officers were involved?
And one of our second questions was, who gave the order or where did this email come from to say about these road closures?
And again, they can find no evidence of these road closures, yet the police officers involved have since retired from the force.
So either they know about it and they're not telling us, or if they don't know about it, how do they know which police officers have since retired?
So they have contradicted themselves.
Yes.
A lot of contradictions there.
The thing is, as well, let me just show you this quick.
I was going to talk about similarities with the Rendlesham case.
All right.
I don't know if this will show up very well, but I'm going to hold this map up here, right?
See those lines there?
Yes.
Now, anyone who likes to talk about ley lines or what people call the Earth's energy grid, there's things around the UK that are called arbor points or trig points, right?
And this map here is actually where these lines actually appear.
Now, there are some cases here, right, which are very, very close to where these UFO sightings take place.
And You can see here, look.
This is the South Wales area, right here, and Penturck is right on that line.
Alright.
You talk about Rendlesham Forest.
There's the blue line to the East Anglia area.
There's Rendlesham Forest, not too far from the line.
I mentioned a case called Denby Lights up in North Wales.
There it is right there.
That's not too far from the Bearwind Mountain incident as well.
And there's the Flanella one right there, look, which is not too far away from it again.
Ben Emlin's one.
And there's another one here, actually, that happened in Sheffield.
They're right in the center of this, or right on the lines in the center there.
I don't know if you can see them.
Yeah.
One more.
I'll just mention this, and then we can get into the FOIs, because that's probably the bulk of these updates.
This one here, look.
This is up towards York.
I don't think you can see that.
Can you people see that, yeah?
Yes, I think so.
But this, they're right, is a case that has gone relatively unknown until now, and I'm going to explain why this one is significant, because there's a very good researcher named Paul Sinclair, and he's been investigating this case, right?
It's up in Wills 4, but it happened in 2009, and it was reported in the media.
I'll just show you a picture of Paul Sinclair.
Look, there he is right there.
All right.
He's done...
He's a tremendous researcher.
I recommend people look at his work.
Now, this was in the Express.
This is the story here.
Look, it says, couple see 40 UFOs coming out of the beach.
Yeah.
Wow.
Why is this so similar to the one that I'm talking about, the Pentook Incident?
Because this is a very quiet area.
It's a very quiet beach town-like area, right?
Yeah.
And the military were there, I think, a day or two prior to all this.
Nothing happening, nothing really going on.
And then suddenly, a couple saw 40 UFOs hovering over British Beach before major military operation.
Helicopters, jeeps, jets just swarmed that area like they were invading it, right?
And then suddenly, you know, these 40 small objects that come out of the sea...
Sounds very familiar to these 15 or 20 objects coming out of this large pyramid.
Right?
Yeah, very interesting.
Several Freedom of Information requests have been sent to the MOD about this incident, and the responses they get are very similar to the ones that I've been getting, that it was just a military exercise.
That's all it is.
And then when you try and actually...
Get answers to some of the more important questions.
They claim Section 26.
This is in my Cornwall update actually.
What is Section 26?
Section 26 is an MOD's exemption from answering any Freedom of Information request As in not in the public interest and to keep the security of the country, well, just to keep the country safe, basically.
All right.
In other words, national security.
Right.
Simple, basic questions like, why were the military removing metal from the Lantris and Carmen as seen by witnesses, I asked, they claim section 26.
Apparently, you know, that scrap metal is of such importance it requires a military secret classification on it when...
It's hilarious, you know.
Why didn't the military have yellow caps in the end of their guns, implying that they were carrying live rounds?
Section 26, not in the public interest.
This is something that we got into with the RAF and the MOD. I asked them, in a Freedom of Information request, why people wearing white forensic suits were seen in the fields of Penn Turk, behind my Sasan.
Which is where this incident took place.
And they just kept answering things like Section 26.
And then they would say they hold no information about such a thing on their records.
But then me and Kaz would ask them a question about why they had machine guns in that field.
And then they answered that it's very likely that they were carrying blanks in those machine guns, you know, due to the yellow cap that they would have on the end.
But then, hang on now, you just said...
That there's no record of information of anything on file.
In other words, your men are not there.
But then in the next question, with the same thing, you're telling me that they were carrying simulated weapons or live blanks, you know?
They're confirming their military in that field.
You asked them what they were doing here, and they claimed Section 26 not in the public interest.
And I think, Kerry, they were looking for more pieces of this.
Okay, now is this the artifact that you were getting tested?
Is that right?
That's right.
I spoke to Steve Colburn.
He was the man that tested part of the Roswell crash.
And I sent him photographs of it and he said it looks very similar to what he tested before.
And the quandary that we're in is that this is some form of silicon.
And all silicon on Earth is man-made and that's as far as science will go.
But this And its structure is unlike anything that we can make.
I have a piece of man-made silicon actually here.
Do you want me to touch?
Yeah, and it's very, very different because it's almost boiled and has this, I don't know if you can see it, like oil slick kind of surface to it.
Whereas this, when you shine a light on it, I mean, at the moment it just looks black.
But when you shine a light on it, it shines like a jewel.
The whole thing lights up, like some kind of conductor.
Okay, but I don't...
Yeah, if you could put them both up.
I see.
So one seems to be melted and the other one not, really.
You can see that.
I mean, maybe the lights on the ceiling...
Yeah, no, that's good.
That's very good.
I mean, they look related.
Huh.
I don't know if I missed it.
Yeah, fascinating.
So this piece that you've got came from what exactly, do you think?
We found it in what we call the ball patch where this hand of lightning came out of that craft.
And when I first picked it up, I just thought it was a piece of anthracite because it's black.
It has no color to it when no light has shone on it at all.
And when you shine a light on it, what you've just seen then, it flows gold.
I've never seen anything like it.
Steve Colburn says it's very similar to what he looked at from the wreckage of the Roswell craft.
But until we can get it tested, I mean, the Roswell silicon had a silver impurity in it.
So until we can get it tested, we don't know what it is.
But I've never seen anything like it before in my life.
And he's very excited to test it.
Okay, when you say he's excited to test it, but you've had it for quite a while.
He hasn't tested it.
What is the delay?
Money.
Money.
He won't test it for free.
It's a very expensive process.
There are a number of Test that has to go through isotopic tests and electromagnetic tests and whatever else they let out for me.
But I'm not a scientist, so I don't know.
It's probably like, I mean, the final cost maybe is like $2,000 and we're not swimming in money like that.
So unfortunately, unless somebody wants to start a...
Unless we get a GoFund going or someone's got pockets deep enough to...
I mean, I did the lie detector at my own expense, and they're not cheap things to come by either.
So, you know, it's just a matter of finances, really.
That's the only reason why it hasn't been tested.
And we are in this catch-22, that as far as science will go, or silicon on Earth, it's man-made, and that's as far as they will go.
So until we can prove that it has elements within it that are not terrestrial, then that's it, you know, but it's unusual.
And a coincidence that it was found in the exact place that that hand of lightning came down the morning of the 26th of February.
Right.
It should also be noted that silicon carbide, which is the manufactured man made piece here, that's not easy to create.
You don't just go into your basement and just put a few things together and hey presto.
You do need some technical knowledge and some special equipment to make stuff like this.
Obviously, the more well-constructed it is, the more incredible and more expensive the equipment gets.
But what I've said to Kaz and what we've been discussing and what many people have said to us, and especially Steve Colburn, is that the way it's structured, the way it looks, is far more superior or much more symmetrical and Much more well put together than the stuff you can create here on Earth.
We boil it, don't we?
What we create looks like molten solidified lava because of the way that they boil the chemicals together, whereas what was found over there has these striations going through it, almost like a fused wiring loom that conducts light.
It's bizarre.
Okay, now what about the idea of whether or not there was any kind of footprints or, you know what I'm saying, impressions in the ground that looked like other kinds of, either an animal or anything else.
Like, was there anyone ever finding in these various areas Footprints that didn't look necessarily human.
No, I didn't see any aliens at all.
These machines, for want of a better word, seemed to be alive, had intelligence, could change color, and I want to say disappear, but only from sight.
You know, with the red object that stayed sentry the whole time whilst the other one scanned me.
When that moved off to my left and across the fields, I watched it until I couldn't see it anymore.
It was like it switched off its light or cloaked.
You know, is chameleon a code word for these things because they can do that?
I don't know.
But the same as the pyramid, when it emerged into our world and it disappeared back out of our world after it jettisoned its load.
And the green object that first came out was like it was fired out of a cannon.
It was completely different to the other things that came out, being bigger and brighter than everything else, and deliberately got the military's attention to follow it.
I didn't see any animals, I didn't see any aliens.
Like I say, these things appeared to be alive themselves.
Right, so no actual contact with the ground that you know of?
No.
No, no biological entities.
These things themselves appeared to be alive.
Right.
Had some essence of life about them, yes.
Okay.
So, did you have, either of you, well actually, I mean, well you're sort of very wrapped in anyway, Gary, even though it didn't happen to you, but Did you have any kind of dreams?
Have you or Dave had strange dreams that were unusual that you could note?
And even similarity, have you compared notes with Dave, for example?
And also, Gary, since you're so wrapped in the investigation, have you noticed any strange dreams?
Dave has had multiple dreams.
He is woken by spoken words.
We are here.
And he'll get up and look out of his house and there'll be something in the sky.
Oh, right.
He's very affected.
He has, you know, health conditions now since that event, same as I have.
And he's still not willing to come forward, is that correct?
No.
Not at this time.
I would suggest another 10 years.
May.
Yeah.
I should actually...
Point out some of his statements, though.
There are some very interesting things in his own statements that just make this even more interesting because his idea is with the large craft that it may have been moving over to Lantrescent Way.
That itself, it may have just...
I don't know if it cloaked or went invisible from human sight...
But his idea was it may have moved over that way.
But the other interesting thing was when you're talking about Smilog Woods, he had gone home now and obviously was shaken by the night's events, but things were still going on outside.
He was overlooking St.
Athenae, the base, right, where these helicopters were taking off and coming from.
And he said, right, on a number of occasions that one of the Chinooks, The Chinook helicopters, you know, the twin motorblades on them.
Right.
Landing at St.
Athen, heading back into the way of land recents, coming back to St.
Athen.
I was doing this trip at least three times, I would say.
And instead of three Apache helicopters on it, there were two.
Because the other one at this point has had to make a run for Cardiff International Airport for repairs.
And it's cockpit on fire.
Cockpit on fire due to generator fault as well.
Supposedly.
Yeah, well, I reckon obviously it must have been damaged from whatever it was firing upon.
Got too close to the explosion.
Maybe that green thing will have some defensive mechanism?
I really don't know.
All I can say is that it landed at Cardiff International Airport with its cockpit on fire, smoke coming from the generator, and yeah, that's not a normal part of an exercise in any regard.
What's interesting is when I went to check out these plane watcher websites, people who like to watch military spaces, and they have these scanners, you know, to see what registration is to the vehicle.
I noted the times on one of the South Wales air groups, and it showed that there was indeed a Chinook landing at St.
Arthur, heading back out, coming back down, just after the time the explosion took place.
And it's my...
It's my suspicion that they were hauling something from the Smilog Woods area to the base for it to be examined.
Right?
I mean, I'll show you this again.
I'll show you again, right?
Because something, it was a bit of an anomaly in the scans of Smilog Woods.
And I've tried to make some sense of this based on the statements and the evidence that I've gathered, right?
Now, I'm going to show you, let me just see if I can get this right.
Because this map is in all kinds of areas.
Now, can you see that?
Yes.
Yes.
The white lines there, right, that you see, those are bike trails, yeah?
Those are just bike trails that people ride down because, you know, Smilog Woods is a bike park for mountaineering bikes, you know, to do jumps and ride fast down there.
Now, the white dots you see...
By here, right?
I don't know if you can see it there.
Yes, yes, we can.
That's there, right?
That's the impact area, and that's where we found a number of read-ins, yeah?
Okay.
Now, you may see a line by here, right?
A dotted line there?
Yes, a dotted line.
That follows the path into the impact site, and if you follow it back, and you enlarge the map, and you sort of come out like that, that goes into...
The direction of Lantress and Common Royal Glamorgan Hospital.
So my guess is, if this thing was the green object that I suspect it was being fired upon, then it's leaving its electromagnetic residue or trace in the trees as it follows it way back from the Royal Glamorgan Hospital.
But that's not the only thing.
It may not show up on this, right?
But can you see that there, that little corner?
Yes.
Can you see?
There are dots on there.
Maybe you can see it up there, look.
Yeah.
Ice from that area as well.
Now, there's no reason for any sort of, like, electromagnetic radiation or Geiger counter readings to be measured in that area.
But what I'm suggesting is that whatever's gone flying into those trees, you know, cut through the canopies in the trees and then into the six trees that got snapped a piece at, you know, smashed mid-trunk in the forest up there, I reckon...
The military have gone in, closed it down, shut it all off, as we know they've done, and this helicopter is now coming in to that area to airlift it off, and what they've done is they've stacked it all alongside the road here, ready for it to be picked up.
That's my own interpretation.
You can see there.
I don't know if you can see it there.
It's a little bit difficult.
There's the white dots, look.
Right.
Actually, there's the corner there, right?
That I scanned also.
The little dots are there.
I reckon that some of the pieces, or they put some of the pieces down, but they're ready to be lifted off by this chin-up, which made at least three trips from St.
Arthur into the woods and back, you know?
And that was seen by Dave and his...
That's in Dave's statement.
They were shooting at something there as well.
And it's interesting, when I did the Freedom of Information request with the South Wales Police, we were looking at telephone calls, right?
Because I know some people, they don't dial 999.
In this country, sometimes they dial 101.
If you don't have a real emergency but a concern, you can dial 101.
Let me see if it's in here.
No.
But there was, in some of the transcripts, only partial answers to the telephone calls they sent us, one person reported a series of heavy footsteps running towards this area, right, up into the woods, like somebody was in a rush to get somewhere.
And this is all in the freedom of information.
It's all in public documents.
And it seems right after the time of this explosion, right after the time that everything's gone on, suddenly now, boots on ground, get to that area quickly.
And that's what one other person says.
I'm just trying to see if I've got it by here.
No.
Sorry, I haven't got that one.
But it is on our updated information.
So, it's like, who would be out at, say, 4 or 5 o'clock in the morning, running somewhere very fast to the woods, unless they were, you know, part of the military themselves?
We know they had people on the ground.
They were in Lantress and Common picking stuff up.
And, of course, they were also keeping Smarlock Woods shut down.
So, you put it all together, it sounds like to me that they've successfully hit one of these things, and they don't want anyone in the area, because I know that Sometimes, early hours of the morning or late at night, there have been people caught in there, you know, getting up to some, I'll just say, nefarious activities that police have caught people doing there.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
What I'm saying is that there were people reporting loud footsteps on the ground also, outside their home, and it was rushing into the area where, you know, this impact site took place.
Okay, now I'm wondering, you said that one trail, though, leads to the hospital, didn't you?
Yes.
And so what I'm wondering is also, has anyone actually gone to the hospital and tried to talk to people?
I know you said you got some things that were posted, but has anyone actually tried to talk to any patients at all?
Or is it even possible?
I mean, just reactions for having seen a sighting or heard some gunfire or whatever that night?
Well, like I said, the one person who I know made a very good witness on this point was the person who was staying in the hospital that night, the former RAF man who worked on ordinance.
I spoke to his daughter, and it's in our records.
I'll make them available.
But what he said was, what she said was about her father, because he was in the hospital, he was a patient, and he heard gunfire outside, low-flying vehicles, and then suddenly a loud explosion, right?
Now, that's his words to her, to me.
So, I think, you know, if an RAF man knows what, you know, explosions and gunfire sound like from helicopters or gunships, yeah?
Sure.
Doesn't it sound a bit strange that an Apache helicopter suddenly has to make a run to an emergency landing at Cardiff International Airport not long after this explosion happened?
It all fits to me now.
Well, I'm actually, I'm trying to figure out whether or not there was any person staying in the hospital that could have been abducted and or attempted, an attempted abduction of a person in the hospital such that that became a battle site, if you understand what I'm saying.
No, I've not heard of anything like that.
Have you, did you happen to ask...
Is there any high-profile people, for example, or other kind of individuals staying at the hospital that came out in the news at all?
Not that I'm aware of.
I'm going to trust to shut it down.
The staff won't speak to us.
The staff won't speak to you.
We do have...
I will mention two things.
When Linda Malton Howe first contacted us back in late December, The Coast to Coast George Norrie show aired Linda Maltenhow and some of our telephone conversations with her.
Somebody heard that and sent Linda Maltenhow an email saying that they worked at the hospital and that they too had heard the explosions and the shaking of the hospital, the doors and the windows and the ceiling lights and everything.
They said that under NHS rules, they're not allowed to talk or break confidentiality or anything because there are serious ramifications if someone even has any urge to talk about these things.
I don't know who that person was, but Linda Maltenhow did forward that email to us and it's in our Cornwall presentation.
The full email is available on there and they do report exactly the same thing as the gentleman who was staying as a patient in the hospital.
I will say also, when Kaz Clark was at the Rich Planet conference, two days after the actual event on the 28th of February, 2016, once Kaz told what had happened to the audience in the Q&A session, people were talking about the helicopters, the loud noises, the one lady who couldn't get home on any road, whichever road she went to, there was always an upturned lawyer, and the police blocking up the roads.
But there was another fella there.
I wish I got his name now, but he said he worked in the hospital that night.
And that he too also reported these loud bangs and shaking of hospitals and smoke coming in through the windows.
So it's just, again, more consistent information that fits the timeline that we've put together.
I mean, I don't know about abductions from that place or whether anyone was...
The profile things you're talking about, but all I know is that they were just people working there and people being patients there and they all report roughly the same thing, plant fire, explosions, the shaking of the hospital is unanimous, the loud explosions are unanimous.
Okay, now I have another question along those lines and thank you for all that.
In other words, has that hospital Has there been a site where there is possibly an underground base or any underground, even from World War II, for example, a facility?
Because, again, you've got to focus on, or I would focus on, why a battleground of sorts seemed to occur there, in particular, because it's quite a strategic location, being in a hospital.
Well, the Royal Mint's close by.
The whole thing looks like an industrial estate in the sky.
The Royal Mint.
Strongly involved that night.
I'm sorry, what do you mean the Royal Mint is nearby?
The Royal Mint is a very high secure facility where they print the country's money.
So it's where British sterling, pound coin and notes are printed.
Okay, well, it's where the coins are printed for the country, you know, the Queen's head is put on the coin, and it's produced at the Royal Mint, which is right next to the Royal Grimorgan Hospital.
Really?
Yes, it's a very secure...
It's probably one of the most secure buildings in the country.
In Europe.
Okay, but if it's so secure, was the explosion actually at the Royal Mint as opposed to the hospital then?
No.
The explosion for all things I can encounter was over the Lantress and Common area.
There were people who live in the area.
They were posting messages on Twitter and they were talking about what just happened over the Lantress and Common.
Did anybody hear the loud explosion over the Lantress and Common?
Some people were commenting.
There were two of them.
The first one was very loud and a few seconds would go by and then the next one happened.
Do you happen to have a map of this common in relation to the hospital in relation to the Mint place?
Not on me, no, sorry.
All right.
Because that's, you know, again, very interesting.
In other words, the Triangle UFO, there could be an attack on the Mint area.
Who knows why?
I don't know why, but...
Again, if it's that close to the hospital, then there's probably an underground tunnel.
Can I say something?
Sure.
When I made comments on Wells Online, which is on local news outlets, I didn't know that you weren't supposed to talk about this because UFOs were not in my thinking.
And when they put out the story of a military exercise, I had to make a comment and say, well, I can categorically assure you it wasn't, you know, because I saw what happened.
And a few people made some comments.
I had a couple of debunkers that you know about, you know, Agent Fox Mulder and The Smoking Man being two of them.
But there was one comment that particularly stuck out in my mind.
And it was by someone who called themselves Major Sighting 666.
And all they said basically was that it was operating procedures, standard operating procedures, And glad we saw, keep watching, more are coming, they come for what's theirs.
Now this might be a little bit out there, but if we really did have something that belonged to them, it wouldn't be out of the ordinary to keep it in one of the most secure buildings, if not the most secure building in Europe.
And we know that the Rothschilds, for example, do have artifacts.
And after this event, the security that was done by the Ministry of Defence on the 26th of February 2016 changed to G4S in June of 2016.
Okay, now this sighting was in what month?
In February.
Okay, so it took them till June to change some kind of organisation with regard to sort of Defence in the area or what, or surrounding this place?
The security for the Royal Mint was done by the Ministry of Defence in 2016.
And in June of 2016, they changed over to G4S. Now, had we had submitted a Freedom of Information request prior to then, we wouldn't have got an answer.
Excuse me.
But afterwards, Would you want to tell her about the Freedom of Information request for the Royal Mint?
Oh yes.
It was originally suggested that the source of the military exercise was the Royal Mint itself.
But I sent off a Freedom of Information request and it's on Kaz's page, YouTube page.
It was our first time we spoke about this publicly.
That was on camera and went on YouTube.
I asked the Royal Mint, you know, what is it that, what notifications did you receive that an exercise was going to take place in this area?
Because given the fact that it's a highly secure facility, and given the importance of it with the UK currency, that they would be informed of any sort of activities taking place, military especially.
And they clearly replied back saying that they did not receive any notifications whatsoever.
Now, as a result of the explosion, the security systems were not affected, but I do believe that some of the helicopters that night that were involved, they were Lynx attack helicopters, Merlin helicopters, Chinook helicopters and Apaches, some of them were landing behind the Royal Mint.
Maybe they were using that as some sort of a base of operation, or maybe they just decided they could use those facilities for some...
Didn't they say, sorry to interrupt, that they received a phone call from somebody calling themselves the Welsh Extremist Anti-Territory?
Oh, yeah, so I forgot this.
Yeah, they said that afterwards they had received a call that The Welsh Counter Terrorist Extreme Unit were the ones responsible for the exercise.
Now, that's about the only confirmation I've got who may have been in charge of this exercise.
Now you know about this.
Okay, again, now what are we talking in terms of the logistics of the place?
How far away, Kaz, is your place and all the things you saw From the hospital, exactly, and the mint from the hospital, and so on.
In other words, are we talking miles?
Are we talking, you know...
Okay.
Five miles.
It's five miles away from me.
The Royal Mint is situated in the middle of an industrial estate that is just before the hospital.
So the hospital is on the outskirts of the industrial estate.
And then behind that, you have the large wooded hill.
That is Smilog Woods.
Right.
So is Smilog Woods the place where the trees were all taken down?
Right.
Okay.
So this area, this hospital, the Mint, is really the center of, it seems to me, The whole situation, in a sense.
Could be, yeah.
It's surrounded, in other words, your place is one angle, and the other incident that happened, I guess Smilog Woods is like behind it, so in a sense, it's in the center, if you want to do that.
Very interesting, yeah.
Okay, now in terms of military, you had military that was American and you had military that was British.
Isn't that correct?
Yes.
NATO as well were also involved.
Oh, alright.
So again, this is very interesting.
Now, what What led you to believe that it wasn't an exercise also?
Wasn't there an advance?
There was some kind of advance, as I remember the last interview, of American planes that came in before the actual other.
Is that correct?
You saw that, didn't you?
There was a task force, I think it was Squadron 51 they called themselves, that flew into RAF Fairford to train British troops or British personnel, I believe, a specialist task force to deal with this phenomenon.
Yes.
The military timeline was something I put together and originally, what I found with exercise chameleons, what they called it, a NOTAM was sent out to RAF Lyman, a place up in North England, and they were training up there with the exact same vehicle registration numbers that eventually A week later, it came down here.
So, what happened was that they were practicing low-flying aerial drills, fast rope descents, fast attack low-flying drills.
And this went on for a couple of days up in RAF Leeming in North England.
Now, on the 22nd of February, four days prior to this event, The plane that I mentioned before, ZZ418, that one, this one here, look.
I'll see if I can bring it up, look.
That's it for there.
Can you see that?
Yes.
That's its tail number.
Right?
Mm-hmm.
That one took off and headed down south towards Plymouth Way, which is near Cornwall area, and started circling.
Now, it circled around Plymouth area and Cornwall area, did, like, two loops...
In those areas and then finally flew across the Bristol Channel and then started circling around where Kaz lives and stayed there ever since.
And then another plane, ZG996, which was called Jackal02, that one's owned by the Army Air Corp.
That would take it in turns.
With ZZ418, which is Snake48, this plane here.
And those two would never leave the sky alone.
All day and night, they would never leave the sky alone, taking it in turns to circle just this one area.
Okay, that's prior to the actual event, right?
Several days prior?
Yeah, we're getting up to the event now.
We're getting up to the event now.
It's about 2 a.m., and Kaz and Dave have gone with us with me in very fine detail now.
About 2 o'clock, they were getting ready to go in because these planes had been circling, not really doing much.
And then an E3 Sentry joined in, and I was able to find the tail number for that from the South Wales Aviation Group, a plane spot on the website.
And that E3 Sentry belonged to NATO. That started circling with the rest of the planes.
And then the tail registration numbers for the planes and the helicopters up in North England, yeah?
On the 25th, they all flew down to South Wales.
Yeah, on the 25th now, towards the nighttime.
And then sometime after midnight, they all took off and suddenly came over here and awaited the arrival of what Kaz and Dave had seen.
Yeah, they were airborne ready.
Okay, so the indications is that there was something being planned or, you know, known in advance, that type of thing, right?
Very well in advance this thing was coming.
Okay, but...
Three days at least before it happened.
Okay, but the trouble with all of that is that then we have the explosions and things.
So we have a sort of a battle going on that actually seems not fake but real, right?
It is real, yes.
It is very, very real.
You see, this is where we...
I'll just explain that.
They've been circling for three days and nights.
The major forces of the military have been up in North England.
Then they all come down here on the 25th.
This is coming up towards midnight now.
We come into the 26th around 2 a.m., yeah?
And Kaz and Dave are watching the sky.
And then about half past two, there are planes already circling.
More planes now.
And E-Free Century is circling.
The two planes, the spotter planes, are circling.
And Hercules aircraft is circling.
There's about five planes in a circle now.
And then about...
Half past two, twenty to three, this massive pyramid appears, and then all the smaller craft come out of it.
The green one that they talked about has gotten the attention of four other craft coming in, and that's headed off to Lantrisen, right?
That's around 2.40, 2.45, just to give you the timeline.
And while that's going on now, Kaz and Dave are by the gate, still...
Seeing all the other 15 to 20 craft that has come out of the large pyramid.
And two of them have come over to them.
And one is...
They're both red.
And one of them now does this.
You can see it there.
That's Kaz.
That's an artist's representation of Kaz and David by the gate.
You can see...
Can you see it?
The red one there?
Yes.
And this is the green one, right?
It was red first like this.
And then it turned green, and then it shone on Kaz and Dave, where they suggest that they're being scanned.
And you can see the little wave that Kaz has given it there.
She actually did do that, didn't you?
I actually did.
I didn't know what else to do.
And that then appears to be some reason for their missing time.
I don't know exactly why, but missing time for them there.
But then while all that's going on now...
You've got the events of Lantresen taking place because that spotter plane, ZZ-418, left the field area where there's a large pyramid and then went off to Lantresen where the Royal Mint is, Lantresen Common is, the Royal Glamorgan Hospital and Smilog Woods.
They're all situated in one area and this plane has gone to Smilog Woods and starts circling the exact area Where that impact site is.
Remember what I told you?
I showed you where the lines lead in.
It goes right into that area and sometime after about 4.20 a.m.
in the morning, at this point now, there's a massive explosion.
The Royal Grimorgan shakes, people's home shake.
There's a massive cloud of sulphur smelling smoke filling over Lantresen and something It goes crashing into Smilog Woods, causing the broken canopies, the trees, eventually settling in that area,
which then eventually straight after it, all of the forces that were here in the Penturk area have headed five miles up northwesterly to the Royal Glamorgan, Lantress and Commons Smilog Woods area and shut all the roads down, blocked off the woods itself.
and of course they start picking up the metal on the common and at the same time they're taking away whatever crashed in Smilogwood.
That's the timeline of events, you see, from half two to about half four.
It's shifted from Smilog, sorry, Penturk over to Smilogwood.
And then after that, sometime around five, half four, five o'clock, they're then making their way down to Swansea, Neath area well outside the zone that they set down for the so-called military exercise, which was done at Neath area well outside the zone that they set down for the so-called military exercise, And they're waking people up in Neath and Swansea area.
And as I said, the one witness saw a cluster of green lights being followed by jets and helicopters and planes.
They were obviously giving chase to the rest of them.
Okay, and then there was a team that the next, was it the following day that Kaz went over there and started asking them questions?
This is what happened.
This team that we're talking about, they came about a month, maybe a couple of weeks after the event.
They're not here yet.
They're not here yet at all.
I see.
I may as well mention this.
This is where our other witnesses come in to other events.
You know, it's daytime now.
Most of everything, most of the helicopters, the planes and everything have pretty much landed and gone home to base.
And Kaz, Dave, Donna and Steve, right?
Donna and Steve are neighbors and friends of Kaz and Dave also.
They also witnessed the snow.
In the ball patch area where the hand of lightning came from the pyramid craft.
Right.
Gone across the field and then it almost touched the ground and arced out this orange white lightning which created the ball patch I told you about.
Where we got that huge circle of...
That huge circle of...
And you can see the trail again where it follows that white dotted area there.
That's the ball patch.
We call it the ball patch area because...
It's not all, like, you know, all the grass is gone and all the bushes have been taken away.
It's just, it's a distinctive dead zone of grass that looks like it's lost all the plantation, you know, all the life in the plants have been sucked out of it, you know, the chlorophyll I told you about.
Right.
But this is where you also did your testing, those dots and all of that.
That's radiation that you're tracking.
Radiation and electromagnetic radiation.
That's harmful to human beings.
And Geiger counters.
And like I said, I've since had those Geiger counter readings analyzed by someone who really knows.
He's an RAF man as well.
I'm not going to name his name yet because we are working on something together later on, so maybe some more updates to follow.
But what they told me is that what we found in the highest Areas where the ball patch is, right?
The readings there, one hours worth of exposure in that area at the time, 18 months to 21 months after the event, one hour exposure to the radiation levels we got there is equivalent to 21 days normal background radiation.
Right, so substantial.
In that area, we're in those fields for two hours, three hours, because to do a scan Of a field that's hundreds of square, you know, thousands of square feet, you know, tens of thousands of square feet area, it takes a long time.
And when you're in an area that's got this level of radiation, it may not, it's not going to kill you, but it's certainly not going to, it's going to make you very, very ill.
And this is what I'm telling people now.
The symptoms we got, the physical symptoms, and it's in our Cornwall presentation, because when we spoke with you and when we came to Awaken Away in Watford, We didn't have this information.
It was only afterwards we were still waiting on a lot of other stuff.
But we put it in the Cornwall one.
And yeah, we suffered headaches, nausea, migraines, dizziness, irritation, irritability of the skin.
Some people were very sensitive to these things.
They wouldn't go near that area.
They didn't want to go near it at all.
And one time, someone came down.
With CAS. That person was undergoing chemo, I believe, for cancer.
And when they went into those fields, they came out of there feeling great.
They felt much better.
I don't know why.
Maybe the radiation did something to them.
But I just found that to be very strange, you know, because the rest of us are getting absolutely ill from all this.
We need, like, two days to recover.
And this person's feeling very calm.
They're good about themselves.
Now, I'll just go back to this again.
The radiation readings there, right?
Just a couple of weeks ago, I recently went back there with another Geiger counter.
I bought myself a digital one.
And the radiation readings have pretty much all been dissipated, but it's still in the hotspot areas.
And I say the hotspot areas are this area here and the ball patches.
And just where the tree line cuts into the second and third field, that radiation is still reading higher than the other surrounding areas.
It's not deadly.
It's nowhere near as high as it used to be, but it's still registering something.
It's diminishing.
And as I said, the area is regrowing.
The grass is re-growing, except for some of the trees that are just dead, the rest of it's all recovered, rejuvenated.
Okay, now what about where the explosion was?
Are you able to get in there to do readings?
Yeah.
The thing is, like I said, Kaz, Dave, Donner, and Steve, those are aliases.
They're not their real names.
They don't want to be identified, but I've got statements from them as well.
Where it was snowing in this area, The bowl patch area.
It was also snowing.
The strange blizzard-like polyester-type snow that wouldn't melt when you pick it up.
It was spongy to the touch like marshmallow, right?
That area there where the impact site is, the same actual weather conditions, the same strange snow-like substance, was also falling.
We got video of that.
We've actually got actual video of that.
And I've checked the weather records.
There was no snow, ice, cold weather conditions for that day, the 26th of February, or even the week before or the week after.
But the trees, they found the trees had been snapped and a lot of the trunks had been blown up mid-trunk, so something heavy had gone right into that area.
We didn't get in there until October time, October 2017, so two years ago.
We were able to get some electromagnetic readings.
Now, we didn't have what we call a magnetic field strength detector, okay?
That tells you the frequency of what the electromagnetic radiation is.
But we did have the readings of how strong the magnetic fields were.
And when I compared that to the health readings you get from, you know, the websites you go on.
And you get, you know, information about what's safe and what's unsafe.
The guidelines, you know, the safety guidelines.
They were well above the normal safety levels.
I mean, some of them were registering as high as one micro Tesla, which is way above the normal.
You know, 0.2 is what they call safe, and yet these things were reading as high as one.
I don't know what strength of magnitude that is, but it's way above the safety levels.
And those signals have since diminished also.
But what I'm saying is that we got in there in October, a year and a half nearly after the event, and those readings were still there.
So we're dealing with a technology that seems to be able to leave high amounts of electromagnetic radiation or can register on Geiger counters in two areas five miles apart, which at the same time fits a timeline of events which I've pieced together from witness testimonies and freedom of information requests and just things I found online.
And the fact that it's diminishing shows that it's an artificial signal.
Right, but now again the explosion, okay?
The explosion must have had radiation or one would think.
Have you tested that place and has that lingered?
Were you able to go back and get later tests?
The Geiger counter readings were higher than the background.
But not as high as they were in the Pentook field area.
Oh, all right.
So, the electromagnetic readings were similar to what we found in the fields.
But since then, as I said, those signals have diminished.
They've gone now.
You can't find them anywhere.
They're not there anymore.
But the explosion you're talking about, the evidence of that was a seismic signal, which was recorded on a station in Monmouth, 40 miles away.
Around 4.21 a.m.
it registered, and this fits the timeline that people say they heard these loud explosions online, and people have talked to us personally.
Right, but I'm just wondering, have you been able to go to the actual place of the explosion and find out...
Yes, we've been to Lantris and Common.
We didn't find anything.
So no radiation.
If it happened, if there was something there, I'm guessing the...
The cleanup operation that took place on Landress in Common, all physical evidence of that has probably been removed.
Okay, and that includes any potential radiation, correct?
It sounded like it was an airborne explosion anyway, so it may not have gotten to the ground.
I mean, it may have contaminated areas if the pieces fell onto the floor, but I would suggest now that those signals are gone, and we wouldn't know really I know,
but if you have a large explosion and you also have a sort of seismic event, that indicates something very sort of heavy impact on the area.
So that's not so easy to hide, I don't think.
No, it's not.
You can't hide it because it's one of the most Universal things that comes from everyone that has ever spoken to us or made a comment about it somewhere.
One loud massive explosion that shook buildings, homes, woke people out of their beds and just like, you know, what was that?
But some people do report hearing a second one about four seconds later, four or five seconds later.
Kaz heard it.
Dave heard it.
There are people online who also heard it.
You know, they're on Twitter accounts.
We've spoken to some of them.
And that suggests to me, it was not as loud as the first one, that suggests to me that there was a physical impact and it sounded like it came from behind the Royal Gamorgan Hospital, someone said, which is in the direction of Smilog Woods, which is consistent with everything we put together.
Very interesting.
So, in terms of any strange dreams, I don't think you quite answered me, Kaz.
And I'm wondering in terms of sort of dreams that might involve artificial intelligence, you know, robots, clones, things of this nature, anything like that that you might be experiencing?
What was that?
I don't know.
Sorry, I just heard something in the background there.
Is it okay to talk or you've got problems there?
No, everything's quiet here.
Okay.
Yes, I have had some strange dreams since the event.
Strange dreams which I can only describe as like bizarre looking beings and hearing words in dreams and sometimes in deep thoughts, I guess.
I don't know what to make of it.
Maybe there is a connection to what's going on out in these fields.
But yes, I have had dreams of strange-looking craft and strange beings, but I've never really made the connection to that.
But I guess, you know, if Dave's having similar things, and it's been reported in many other...
Yeah, it's been reported in other UFO cases, so maybe there is something to that, you know?
Maybe there is.
I think the link is with Alipia, and I feel very strongly that...
Perhaps something else is going to happen in the leap year.
I didn't believe in portals or gateways or stargates.
I thought that was all in the realms of science fiction.
But it's actually science fact now, today.
That they know that these portals are real.
And more than that, they know how to find them.
And we have had dreams.
Messages, if you like.
Dreams that are so vivid I can remember every detail like I was there.
But I do sense that something will come back, and in the leap year.
And as much as the military knew those things were coming that night, for all of their might, they couldn't stop them coming.
So, this cyber security has a completely new meaning to me now.
Perhaps that's what Galileo and GPS is all about, about blocking these portals.
With a fake frequency to try and stop them coming through.
They might be able to block the ones on Earth, but they can't block the ones in space, and they're very real.
2020 is the year, though General Dunford has said mid-20s, so perhaps the next week, year after that.
But I do get very strong dreams or visions.
And it's all about them coming back.
And if that's a recurring nightmare, then I'm living it because I was there.
Okay, so now I wonder, and I'm not going to keep you guys much longer because I know we've been going for a while, but wondering if you can answer this question.
You seem like you have a sort of an emotional reaction to the sighting and to Possibly these, I don't know, whatever phenomena you saw that you seem to equate with living beings but not necessarily human, you know, like in other words, or even animal.
You seem to be veering towards more of a mechanistic or robotic kind of idea.
Am I wrong in that?
You also seem to be emotionally...
Attached or affected by them.
What would you say to that?
I felt they were alive.
They were the essence of life itself.
Not only did they communicate with each other, but they communicated with us too.
I was asked if they were only spoken words or binary code or hieroglyphs or anything like that and my immediate response was no.
But what I took away from there was an overwhelming feeling that I needed to tell someone, anyone that would know what to do with this information.
And if that's a message, that's what it was.
Tell the world what you saw here.
And these things were alive.
I didn't see any aggression from them at all, but I witnessed an awful lot from us.
Okay.
And that's worrying, really.
Our military are opening fire on these things that didn't show any hostility at all.
That's not to say they weren't hostile, but if they were, Dave and I wouldn't be here.
And I did feel an essence of calmness.
I said to you before that I didn't have time to be afraid, but it was more than that.
It was like someone reached in and took the fear away from me.
It was the most bizarre and enlightening feeling.
That's how it felt to be scammed.
That's how it felt.
I can't describe it any other way than that.
Now, can you think about how Dave has reacted?
And his reaction seems a bit different than yours, but perhaps he has a similar emotional response.
Would you be able to characterize that?
He was petrified.
He was the complete opposite to me.
And he was scared stiff.
I can't see any way I can describe that.
But since then, what is his consciousness about this?
You said he's heard voices saying, we are here and so on.
Does he think of these as alive beings?
Does he have an emotional response to them at this time?
Yes.
Yes, very much so.
Like they are alive, like they are communicating.
Okay.
He would say that they're sort of talking to him or calling him or something.
I can't really explain it more than that.
And has he tried to, or you, anyone, you know, you can get pictures in your head, obviously, and has he or you had made an attempt to draw What you thought was communicating with you, anything like that?
No, I didn't.
Again, I didn't sense any biological entities of any kind.
It was like, like I said, like these things were the essence of life itself.
Like they were alive, like living machines, although I didn't see any mechanics, I didn't see anything Mechanical moving in them, but they were...
Well, okay, so, but as a drawing, would you draw a machine?
I mean, would you draw anything if you were going to depict them?
Or has Dave made an attempt to draw or seen pictures in his head as to what...
any kind of imagery is, I guess, what we're saying.
Called them angels of light.
Because that's what they felt like.
Okay, but no visual going with that?
No.
To what I saw.
But I haven't drawn anything else.
Alright.
Alright, well, very fascinating and I guess the saga continues.
There's a lot of elements to it that are quite compelling and perplexing and require, I think, even more investigation.
So, Please, you know, come back and tell us some more in the future when you come across it.
It's great that you're staying, you know, focused and you all have your, you know, you're doing more investigation and you're sharing your stories.
So that's really good.
Thanks for having us, Kerry.
It's been fantastic.
Okay.
You'll come back to the UK one day.
Oh, absolutely.
They're fairly often.
So we'd love to catch up with you guys and, you know, if we can stay in touch, that'd be great.
Fantastic.
Yeah, for now.
Thank you.
All right.
And now I don't know, but I've got people in the chat.
There's quite a bit.
If there's anybody that has a last minute question, I don't see any questions being posted to the chat.
Sometimes they do.
But if anyone wanted to ask a question or two, would that be all right?
Feel free, yeah.
All right.
Okay, so just before we close this down, if there's anyone in the chat that wanted to ask a specific question of our guests, and I will try to, let me see, enlarge this so that I can actually see it a bit better.
But it's just a moment to type a question if you are so inclined and we'll try to see if our guests can answer it.
Okay, so nothing coming up here that I see.
There is a question that relates to a visual, but I don't...
Let's see.
What where are you seeing them in your dreams?
What where?
I'm not sure what they mean by what where, but perhaps they're saying, you know, if you're seeing them or you're Or Dave feels he's being communicated from his dreams.
Maybe they're, I don't know, seeing them in a place, in a craft, on a planet, any of that sort of thing.
My dream was very strongly Tibet and surrounded with white jasmine, which I later found out only grows wild at the Tibetan temples.
Very strongly, Tibet was where it happened in my dream.
But I can remember it in absolute detail.
So if that's a place of where this is going to happen next, that's a very strong possibility.
But that's what they showed me.
Okay.
The significance of white jasmine Before the dream, and I know that it's used in Buddhist religious ceremonies.
I didn't know that white jasmine only grows wild at Tibetan temples.
These were all things that I found out afterwards.
I wanted to know.
Something to do with sound.
Some note.
Some frequency.
Okay, and as far as Dave is concerned, anything about, again, a planet, a place, or anything like that, when he gets information?
Only when they're here, he gets spoken words, and he can be woken from a deep sleep with spoken words, wake up, we are here, and he'll look out and there's something here, and it's often, if not always, pursued by a military aircraft.
Okay, is it, again, a triangle or a pyramid-shaped craft?
I don't know.
I saw a pyramid here, that just some smaller craft.
What Dave sees, I don't know, maybe just individual craft, but nothing on the scale of what happened in February of 2016.
How about that?
I don't know about what he's taken or something.
Broke back.
Remember that?
Oh, Andy, yeah.
It has been taken, he thinks, in his subconscious to a place full of dead people that take his life force, which is bizarre.
Okay, this person called Andy, what is his relationship to the story?
Oh, he's a friend of Dave's and He's a psychic, and he's been working with Dave a lot.
He told him one or two things, yeah.
And that's what he sees.
That's how deep he goes.
And he's been taken to this place with him, almost, like a land of the dead.
They're taking his energy, his life force.
That's what he sees.
So a negative sort of visitation.
Yeah.
I was just going to add to that.
You asked me about dreams.
I mean, Cass just jogged my memory now when she said about Egypt.
I've had...
I said Tibet.
Yeah, I'm thinking Egypt.
It's just sometimes when I've gone to those fields, maybe a day or two after, I had a strange dream where I was in a desert-like place, but...
They were like great monuments and a pyramid-looking structure, and there were these strange, I don't know if you want to call them cat-like beings, but they were very strong, human-like form, but they had the sort of tiger-like kind of body, and they wore these blue golden emblem sort of like dresses.
And then I saw something that looked like a Like some sort of burial tomb, you know, like a ceremonial tomb, this red, golden-like color on the walls, and there were bodies of white sheets laid out all over the place.
And then it changed to this very bright white golden archway.
And there was a platform above it, and those very same people sort of walked out to the edge in sort of like a prayer or a ritual, which is I don't know what it means, but if you're asking about dreams, yeah, that one was very profound on me.
I woke up and I still remember it, you know?
I tend to find if I remember stuff like that, it must mean something.
Dave's are always very negative.
He always feels like when he's returned, he's dropped back into his body before he's woken to say, you know, we are here.
And he'll look out and he'll see that there's lights in the sky.
I don't know if they brought him back or...
He's only continuing sort of like visitation things and he gets the sense that something is there and then he goes out to the window and he looks and there they are.
Some sort of light is there.
That's the sort of impression.
It scares me enough for him to have gone to a psychic, for him to try and sort this out, to try and get to the bottom of what it is.
But it's very real.
Very real.
Okay, now I'm going to take one last question from the chat here.
Someone wants to know about how low or close the helicopter came over you.
The helicopter didn't come over me.
The helicopters were about half a mile away from me flying in a pyramid formation and they were flying from my left to my right.
The green object The first green object that came out was heading west towards Clan Tricent and the helicopters were coming from my left to my right on an interception course, shall we say, and they both met in Clan Tricent Common.
If that makes any sense.
So you're saying the helicopters flew in, I guess what you mean is a triangular formation and that is separate.
So Apache helicopters were flying in a pyramid formation.
They had red pulsing lights that were going out very slowly in front of them so you could see all of the grass and all of the shrubs and all of the trees bending under the force of their rotor blades.
They were on an interception course with the green object that was being pushed along by four aircraft, two C-17s and two C-130s, herding it towards the Clam Tristan area, and the helicopters came from the St.
Athens side, from my left to my right, on an interception course, and then the big explosion.
I believe, and it's only my personal belief, that they used a brimstone missile And that's what they did the meticulous metal search for, to pick up parts of that missile.
But we will never know.
But if you've ever seen a missile explosion, and there's quite a few on the internet from Israel, you'll see the big plume of smoke and then the huge explosion that shakes buildings and knocks people off their feet.
That's the type of explosion that we're talking about.
An explosion that was strong enough to shake people awake in their beds in a hospital.
And a hospital that is huge To be shaken to its foundations and to registered on Richter scale 40 miles away.
We're not talking a fake incendiary device.
This was a real incendiary device.
And it was an air explosion.
So I believe they used the brimstone.
And coincidentally, the Apache helicopters were officially fitted with the brimstone missile in June of 2016, yet they used one in February of 2016.
And I think they learned a lesson from that, not to get so close.
Because the guy that fired it had to do an emergency landing at Cardiff International where you wouldn't expect to see an Apache helicopter.
I'll just add to that person's question about the helicopters in the low.
A lot of people who spoke to me and made comments online, they said those helicopters were literally flying over their houses.
Not just the Apache ones, the Chinooks.
I mean, one of them was circling around by me.
He was coming over my house and he was making a hell of a racket.
You filmed it, didn't you?
I filmed it, yeah.
It's in one of our videos.
Other people said that they seemed to be laying in wait over their house.
Somebody said that one of them was almost outside their garden.
It was blowing their ornaments over in the garden.
Other people said that it was almost like it took the roof off of their house.
They were flying low.
The Lynx attack helicopters, the Merlin helicopters, the Apaches, and the Chinooks, which were all involved.
There were 20 vehicles I was able to identify.
I think in an attempt to hide the sound of the explosion.
Well, whatever they were doing, they were making a hell of a noise.
They were flying low and right over people's houses.
Yeah, one guy in the Cunnan Valley said that a Chinook nearly took his chimney off.
Yeah.
Right.
Okay.
All right.
Well, thank you very much.
So I guess we'll wrap this up here.
And again, it'd be great to have you back.
All right?
Great to come back.
Thanks.
It's been good talking to you again, Carrie.
Okay.
I have no idea what has been going on here but we'll try to get to the bottom of it and if necessary we'll edit out the beginning of this and we'll try to clean that up a bit.
Thanks again for being patient with us in the beginning and hopefully we can do this again and you'll be back with more updates.
Indeed.
Thank you.
All right.
Thank you.
Take care.
Bye-bye.
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