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Sept. 5, 2019 - Project Camelot

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COLIN WOOLFORD ALIEN AUTOPSY UPDATE

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	Thank you.
	Hi everyone, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy to be here today.
	We have Colin Wolford with us and it is a delight as always and I've interviewed him a few times now and we'll talk more about what had happened when I did that once we get into this.
	But Colin, say hello to everyone.
	Hey everyone, how's everyone today?
	Okay, so what we want to do is really talk a little bit about why you got into this subject, your background, a bit of your background, and how many years you've been pursuing this, because I think people would be very interested, you know, with your diligent focus on this alien autopsy subject.
	Yeah, well, I left school in 1989, and I got my first pay packet, I remember, January 1990.
	I was in the airline industry, still I'm in the airline industry, and I had an interest in the subject of UFOs from quite a young age.
	I remember as early as 83, the News of the World having it on the front page of the Rendlesham Forest incident.
	And possibly I was having some experiences as well that I might not even be aware of.
	But I had a passion for it, and I would listen to a lot of the experts here in the UK, people like Timothy Good.
	He was on radio shows here around that period, late 80s, and my first pay packet, like I say, January 1990.
	I think I bought some books and I started following it.
	I subscribed to UFO magazine, which I guess at that point was not even a newsstand magazine here.
	That was Graham Bergesell's magazine.
	He was a very well-respected ufologist.
	Leading up to the landing autopsy, I'd been just following the subject, just consuming books.
	The ones I felt were the most relevant for my journey into this subject and understanding the subject and of course the sensational story was 1995 claims that there was this supposedly alien autopsy that was going to be released and this first really came out in January of that year 1995 by Reg Presley who we've talked about before he
	was the lead singer in the band The Trogs So, I mean, obviously anyone in this subject was going to be intrigued by such a claim that there was supposedly the Roswell, I mean, that's how it was marketed, as the Roswell UFO alien autopsy.
	But, as I've said in previous talks, that's not what I think it is.
	It's actually referring to the May 31st Socorro crash, which the cameraman gives that information in the statement.
	So at that time, I was just heavily following it.
	And this was a time when a lot of people probably weren't on the internet.
	Maybe America was starting quite a big thing.
	The UK might have been a little bit behind.
	But I can remember being really excited about this.
	And then UFO Magazine had an offer.
	I think Merlin Productions was the name of the...
	Grubach, Ray Santilli, are founded to market this Roswell alien autopsy footage and the debris footage.
	So I sent off my money, you know, maybe naively, but, you know, because in my early 20s, so I'd done quite a lot of research by then, and, you know, maybe I was being pulled a fast one.
	And that was a lot of money to pay for a VHS video back then, but...
	When the images leaked, there was a couple of leaks on the internet, the early stages on the internet, you know, and a lot of people were sort of thinking, well, this looks kind of intriguing.
	I know there was this May the 5th showing of it.
	I talked about the Museum of London.
	Certain people were invited to.
	And then, of course, we had the anniversary yesterday, funnily enough, which was the anniversary of it being shown around the world because...
	Most countries did show on 28th of August 1995, and that includes, I suppose, the most famous version being the fact or fiction alien autopsy program.
	Second here.
	Okay, so what I'm wondering though is, when you're talking about this, I just want to be really specific because we're going to be referring to a recent broadcast where, I guess it was Spiros Malaris and Philip Mantle were being interviewed and They are referring, I think, to an 18-minute video, because there's more than one video, so it gets very confusing to the audience, I'm sure.
	So are we talking about that 18 minutes of footage?
	Is this what you were seeing back in 1995?
	Yeah, it was.
	I mean, it's some debate about, I think it's 15, 16, 17 minutes.
	That is the famous...
	Footage that was marketed on that VHS video that I bought for £33.
	Although, strangely enough, this wasn't actually the first video that was shown to some of the researchers.
	They actually had another autopsy of the beings from the crash, which the leg was intact, and this video has now disappeared.
	We can't see this video.
	What happened after that was the main video that we all know and love and hate in equal measure was that film that is referred to, I guess, in that show on the UFO News Network with Frank and Chan and Spiros and Philip.
	That's the one they're referring to in that show.
	So, yeah, that would be that.
	And there was obviously a deep debris footage as well, which was around for a couple of minutes as well.
	Okay, so I guess I still don't understand.
	You said something disappeared.
	What has disappeared?
	Some researchers, including Philip Mantle, Maurizio Bayata, Reg Presley, Colin Andrews, towards mid-April 1995 in Ray's office, they were shown a 10-minute, at least another 10-minute, of an exact same or very similar-looking being to the one we see In this famous footage.
	But obviously, as Ray said, the cameraman filmed two autopsies.
	Well, he actually filmed three because there was another one in 1949.
	But these two were the ones that were in a lab that was set up in Dallas-Fort Worth.
	So this other autopsy went missing.
	It's never been shown in public.
	And there's about four or five images online.
	But For some strange reason, this video of this other autopsy, what is supposedly far more graphic, has never seen the light of day in public.
	And it's certainly one of the big mysteries and one of the things I bring up continually is that the sceptics don't really have an answer why this footage would have gone missing.
	Because even if you think it's a hoax, I mean, Reagan himself says it's a recreation now, as per 2006.
	So, he can't be saying this footage is real, so what would harm be in showing it?
	And if it's a hoax, then...
	That would be good, too.
	Well, I mean, let me ask you if these are the same of, you know, this is footage, but is it of the same autopsy, but from a different, more in-depth angle or something like that?
	No, no.
	Is that what you're trying to say?
	Or is this a different autopsy?
	No, you're noticing, yeah.
	One of the four creatures or pilots or...
	Star sisters, if you consider these were female beings.
	This was one of the other beings in the crash and it was fully intact.
	It didn't have that missing right below the knee where there was some burn marks possibly from the crash.
	I hope people that are listening will have done their homework, etc.
	I have a two-part interview with Colin.
	The first part is actually on a bit shoot.
	That's what it's called.
	That we had to remove because we had originally put some Of the general pictures that are out in the public domain, it seemed, but apparently Spyros claimed copyright.
	And that's when I got a strike and was not able to broadcast this live.
	For example, this show is not being broadcast on my main YouTube channel.
	It's on my alternate YouTube channel.
	And then I download it and edit any sync issues and put it up on my main channel.
	So...
	The first and second parts you refer to the exact history and what you're saying is there was an initial other film that would have also come from the canisters, I'm assuming, of the original cameraman that we believe could be this particular individual that did a short video interview And if you can tell people about that,
	because it was interesting in this latest broadcast, they don't mention the cameraman at all, of course, because that would go counter to their story, but there is an individual who is quite interesting, who at first claimed to be a friend of the cameraman, is that correct?
	And then eventually...
	Oh, right.
	The top secret thing, there was a thread on that.
	There was someone...
	I think it was from around 2000, and I can't remember now, I'd have to look it up, but yeah, there was a thread on the Bubtop Secret site where someone, I think it was someone who was attending a paranormal group in Cleveland,
	in that area that supposedly Ray went to in 1992, and he claimed to have met someone via that group, that he said that, you know, did you ever watch that alien autopsy thing?
	And he was actually saying that that person who shot that film was his friend.
	And that's an intriguing little story, actually, whether you believe that or not.
	But he claimed that he showed this But, you know, the film was real and I think his name was...
	I can bring it up here.
	But it was...
	He...
	Let me just see, Kerry, because I'm just going to look at this.
	I was caught on the hop of it there.
	So let me just see if I've got the image.
	I can just look for myself.
	Oh, yes.
	Sorry, it was to do with...
	It's Bernard Zellman.
	That was the guy.
	Sorry, Bernard Zellman.
	And his connection is kind of interesting because he ran his music.
	So he had that music connection there.
	And the dress being in Cleveland, Ohio, he ran something called Independent Record Labels of Ohio, and it was called Cosmic Records, which was kind of intriguing in itself.
	But...
	Yeah, he was sort of validating that the cameraman was real, basically, and you can read more about that in my Facebook group, Alien Autopsy Analysis.
	I mean, it was just another strange link.
	I mean, I did reach out to this guy, and I don't know if he's still alive, and his wife, but it's just another interesting connection.
	I mean...
	Okay, now let's tell people to go to your Facebook.
	So could you again give the name, exact place?
	Yes, so just type alien autopsy analysis and then you can, that will bring up.
	Okay, on Facebook.
	So only, this doesn't exist anywhere else, or does it exist various places around the internet perhaps, but just for people to understand that we cannot afford to get another copyright strike even though the actual origins of the film are in controversy.
	That being Ray Santilli on the one hand who claims copyright Certainly the U.S. government has a claim to it.
	Indeed, the cameraman story is true.
	And then, obviously, Spiros Malaris claims copyright.
	So, we have actually three potential copyright owners, if you want to call it that, and there is a controversy on that subject.
	So, because of that, we can't show any pictures, although I know that, for example, Rich Dolan and others...
	Have shown these pictures and not gotten copyright strikes on their channels, but this is the kind of thing that goes on with my channel being targeted for some unknown reason, unless you want to just say that I have more truth on my channel and so I'm more of a threat.
	But at any rate, move on.
	So go to this Facebook page to see your photos.
	Yeah, I can read out, actually, I just found the post on ATS because I found it via my group.
	So you could just type in Zelman, Z-E-L-M-A, and hopefully that will bring up the ATS link there.
	But I can read it out to you because it's not too long.
	If you want me to read out what he actually claimed, it might be quite an interesting little thing to read.
	Yes, why don't you just to make that clear?
	Yeah, okay.
	Okay, here's my story.
	This is from a guy called Palashia who posted on ATS. And it says, okay, here's my story, told you more detail.
	He's saying he sent this to Philip Mantle, blah, blah, blah.
	This is posted 24th of May 2007, so this would have been after, you know, the cover story had come out 2006, to make that clear.
	So this is what he said.
	So in 1996, the head of a now defunct group called the Cleveland Paranormal Roundtable, sorry, but I don't recall his name, arranged for me to meet a A close friend of his, Buddy Zalman, at a local coffee shop located at the Van Arkham Shopping Centre in Shaker Heights, Ohio.
	The reason why he made this arrangement for me to meet Zalman was because I was living in the same street in Shaker Heights.
	That Zelman grew up on and had mentioned to some members of that paranormal group that that street had a lot of paranormal activity on it.
	So because Zelman grew up on that street, his friend, the head of the paranormal group, asked him if he could meet me to tell me more about the area of town, because he and his family also had some strange experiences.
	So when I got to the coffee shop, Zelman was already there and it was not too hard to pick him out because I had already been told what he looked like.
	At that time he looked to be in his 60s.
	He was a big man with longish grey hair with a ponytail, a rather full beard and a moustache.
	I can't recall what he was wearing but I do recall that he was some...
	He wore some interesting, very expensive looking diamond rings and something that's been blanked out around his neck.
	He started off by telling me which house he lived on.
	I'll keep his name a secret for now street.
	And that his dad was such and such and that this was the house he grew up in.
	He said that this street was haunted and that he wanted to know about some of my own experiences.
	So we talked about that for a little while there.
	One thing led to another where he then asked me if I had seen the alien autopsy film on TV. I told him that I had seen it and that And then he told me that he was going to tell me a secret and to promise not to tell anybody else what he was going to say to me.
	I gave him my promise on that where he then proceeded to tell me that he was the one who referred that cameraman to Santilli.
	He was visiting him in Cleveland about some 1950s oldies recordings he had that Santilli wanted to look at.
	I think he mentioned Elvis Presley and a few others too.
	Buddy said that he had a whole collection of such material.
	He also said that he was a record producer with his own state-of-the-art recording studio somewhere, including one on wheels, and that he bopped around the world a lot having to do with his business.
	He then mentioned that he was excited about a singer he had just discovered and his company was going to represent him.
	He also said that he had his own paranormal and UFO radio show on a local...
	Well, back to the alien autopsy.
	Naturally, I wanted to know more about that cameraman, so I asked Buddy where this person lives, but the only thing Buddy told me was that he lives somewhere south of Cleveland area and that he could not tell me any more than that because the man does not want the public to know who he is.
	I remember asking why that is because it would seem that anyone who recorded such a thing would be talking about it to the press and so on.
	But once again, Buddy said that the cameraman does not want any publicity, that he's a very private person.
	I then wanted to know if that autopsy film was real, and he said that it most definitely is, and that he has no reason not to believe this, because this cameraman and him have been friends for many years.
	Well, anyway, I wanted to talk about it more, but he had to go, I assume.
	So I walked him to his car, which was a brand new...
	I should mention that the head of the paranormal group mentioned that Buddy was a very affluent man.
	Well, I then thanked him for stopping by and hoped to see him again.
	And that's it.
	A meeting only lasted 45 minutes or so, just long enough for one cup of coffee.
	But because of that information about the alien autopsy that Buddy told me about, it was indeed a very memorable one.
	Did I believe him?
	I didn't see any reason why not to.
	And as you can see from those links I provided...
	In 80s, he has a collector of 50s recordings of those famous rock and rollers during that era and a record producer too, and this was the reason why I sent it.
	He flew in from England to meet him.
	And why did he divulge his secret to me?
	I have no idea, but there's certainly no reason in the world why he would be lying to me about this just to impress me.
	Why in the world would he want to do that?
	It just doesn't make sense.
	It could be that he saw me as a trusty person who would honour someone's request to keep a secret.
	I have no idea, but in any case, as you can see...
	I honoured his request not to share that information with anyone until just a few days ago, where I finally thought that maybe now is the time to talk about it.
	I had seen that one thread about who is Victor on the ATS board, and that's why I thought about sharing my information about what I knew about that mysterious alien autopsy cameraman.
	I should also add that a few years ago, I saw a documentary about the autopsy film where I saw that cameraman doing an interview in it.
	And when I saw it, I nearly fell out of my chair because he he looks a lot like Buddy Zellman in disguise.
	In short, the Buddy Zellman I saw at that coffee shop, if you put glasses on him and a hat and shaved off his beard, the cameraman in that documentary very well could be this person.
	At any rate, the above information is all I have on Zellman, but I do agree with you that it may well be worth your time to find out if Zellman actually is somehow involved in the alien autopsy hoax.
	So that was just an interesting story that maybe people haven't heard in relation to, you know, the alien autopsy subject.
	So what we could deduce on that is possibly he was covering and he was actually the cameraman himself.
	It could also be that he was generally a friend of the cameraman and that he may have taken...
	Because a lot of people, when they watch that video, I'm not sure if you've watched it, Kerry, because he's reading out a statement.
	He says, you know, I have prepared a statement and all this, and he goes through these questions that have been asked by Kvyat.
	So it could be that this guy is actually, was a friend of the cameraman, and that because the cameraman, for whatever reasons, didn't want to appear on that film, then he did, you know, take his place.
	Or, of course, it could be that He was really the cameraman himself, and he was just alluding to himself as another person.
	But it's just another little interesting story.
	Okay, well, I think it's more than an interesting story.
	I think it's like what you might say is a smoking gun, especially when the way it's written is quite compelling, first of all, the post, and then the fact that we do have an interview with someone...
	Who is hidden but has features that are similar to the exact guy that was described in that post.
	You know, that Kvyat, I guess, was interviewing, who didn't show his face.
	If I remember, he's in the dark.
	I did see that piece of footage.
	Yeah, I mean, yeah, the footage is supposedly filmed by the cameraman's son.
	The whole controversy about that was it was such an amateur...
	I actually shot an interview that they couldn't market it.
	I mean, that's another thing I think gives it credibility because if it was such a fake thing, you know, wouldn't it all be like really professionally done?
	So, I mean, it did sort of give that image that it was literally someone who tried to disguise him and apparently if he turned the brightness up, you know, it did reveal his features and stuff.
	And there's been a lot of nonsense written about, you know, some...
	Someone who claims, you know, he faked it and, you know, they put a plastic nose on and, you know, that they altered his voice even.
	I mean, these are some of the claims.
	So, I mean, I sort of very much doubt, actually, if that person is actually...
	I mean, you can actually quite clearly see his face.
	I don't think there's been any sort of make-up, false nose or anything like that.
	It just seems to me just another...
	Piece of nonsense.
	So, I think that camera is very intriguing.
	Absolutely.
	Now, what I want to do is sort of talk about this Dr.
	Kit Green and Rich Dolan.
	Are you okay?
	Do you need to make an adjustment there?
	No, I'm just having some water.
	All right, no problem.
	So what I'm saying is, as people will know, and there will be documents linked on my website for people to take a look at, I'll also be discussing this in a presentation this weekend at Yelm in Washington,
	just FYI. So I want to say that Rich Dolan is, and I do want to preface this by saying I have nothing against any of the researchers or people involved in the story.
	I have no, as they say, axe to grind, but all I'm trying to do is get at the truth, and it just so happens that certain players are involved, and one of those people is this person called James Rigney, who was given some memos, as it appears.
	Most of them dated around, it looks like 2001, If I remember correctly, but they're dealing with times earlier than that.
	And then members of To the Stars being predominantly featured in those memos.
	Eric W. Davis, physicist, works with Hal Pudoff, who's also very prominent in both the Wilson Leak documents and the memos having to do with Kit Green and a dialogue going on with Kit Green.
	And Dr.
	Kit Green being a former CIA doctor and also Air Force doctor and member of the Air Force.
	And subsequent, he's got quite a bio.
	And I can actually, at a certain point, we'll talk about his bio because that's pertinent to this entire story as to whether his diagnosis made, which was made now...
	Theoretically, back in the 80s, late 80s, or even early 80s, and then subsequent to that, talked about, again, to his friends and colleagues, Robert Bigelow, Colm Callagher, being CIA, Hal Pudoff,
	CIA, and also Eric Davis, CIA. So this is a series of memos that were found, we believe, or we're told, in the files of the late Astronaut Edgar Mitchell,
	and then somebody, whoever they are, gave them to this rather unknown individual in Australia, a person who is known to be a UFO buff, but not an investigator, if I understand it correctly, and also a person who is a space aficionado of space things.
	So he had these two main documents, but apparently several other documents as well.
	So that's the backstory very quickly.
	And what we're going to be talking about is this latest so-called interview that Rich Dolan did with Dr.
	Kit Green and then found that he could not release it.
	And so instead he's come forward with an article About a month later, it took him a very long time to, I guess, maybe get clearance to release the article that references the interview and quotes from the interview in bits and pieces.
	So I hope that's a good description for people.
	At this point, what I want to do is kind of focus on what your thoughts are on this release, this document that Rich Dolan has put out on the internet.
	And this is just last weekend, if I recall.
	Yeah, that's released a few days ago, I think.
	Yeah, he did something online and then he done a video, I think yesterday or the day before.
	So, yeah, it's intriguing, isn't it?
	I mean, basically, he said something in 2001 via these emails, and since that time, we had, you know, the alien autopsy was either a hoax or a recreation, which happened in 2006.
	So now this story's These emails have leaked and it's left him, I feel, in a bit of a quandary because, you know, he's a master's, you know, the CIA and his intelligence agency groups.
	So, because what those documents were saying was that, you know, he was verifying them.
	He was saying that in 87, 88, in the Pentagon, he was giving a briefing.
	He was showing photos of the alien autopsy or what he recognized as the Alien Autopsy.
	Obviously, he hadn't seen the Santilli footage then.
	That wasn't out, obviously, until 1995.
	But, obviously, he was still talking about it by 2001.
	So, I mean, it's not something...
	These emails...
	They weren't talking about it in 1995.
	He may well have been talking about it in 1995.
	I'm sure he was.
	And those would be some interesting emails to see.
	But, in 2001, you know, seven...
	Seven years, six years later, he's obviously still talking about it, and he's basically validating it.
	He's saying that what he saw on these photos, as I understand it, it was not footage, it was not video, and he was asked, am I going to see a video?
	And Kit talks about these things, you know, he's feeling he's not being brought into it, they're sort of teasing him, and that could well be true.
	They obviously want to vet people, have an impeccable standard.
	Maybe if you're too much of a nice guy, they won't bring you into these things, and that's something I feel has a reality to it.
	You know, they are looking for sometimes a bit of a rogue element to people.
	Maybe they were trusting his trustworthiness, but I have no doubt that what he saw was images from that Santilli film.
	I mean, what's interesting in this latest thing with Dolan that he's expanded upon is that He's more or less still saying that, you know, the face matches, the foot matches, you know, the wall and various parts of the footage, but he sort of distanced himself when referring to the body, which is kind of strange.
	I mean, there's been some claims that, you know, there's been effects added and there's some disinformation put into those images, but You'd have to say, well, where are the disinformation images that are in that?
	Because no one's ever really found anything that is not of that time and also nothing, I would say, suspicious about the body or the procedures that were done on that body.
	Yeah, Kit, I mean, he seems to seem to want to get away from a bit about the Santilli footage because he then goes into the spiel about allegedly having other videos, which, I mean, certainly I don't think it's ever been said before that he's now claiming that he was sent these other videos of other autopsies in the post in the early 90s, which, you know, is pretty astounding because...
	I think with all the secrecy around collecting and distributing these materials, I remember your interview with Mr.
	X on Project Camelot, the guy who was logging all the...
	He sadly died at a young age.
	The sort of security levels that there would be a lock over, another lock over that and all this stuff.
	So for Kit to get stuff in the post of...
	Supposedly other alien autopsies seems not likely to be true, although I am open to the idea that he may have been given some disinformation and maybe they were just going to see what he would do with that.
	Maybe he would leak it, maybe he would send some photos.
	So he seems to be creating a lie.
	I'm not saying that he's lying or anything like that, but he does seem to Distance himself in this interview and sort of promotes the idea that a lot of the technologies we see could be us or that these things could be, you know, more disinformation films.
	So it does seem that although he's sort of going along with some way that, you know, the centrally footage is real, he's not going the full nine yards or whatever.
	So, I don't know what you thought of it, Kerry, but I just thought that...
	I thought he might have had a little tap on the shoulder there, that he might have been told, you know, you can't say that it's exactly the same.
	Although, I mean, what's upset some people is that, you know, he's still saying that it matches with what, you know, he saw.
	He's just saying the body part isn't...
	What he remembers.
	But then he doesn't really go in to say, well, what does the body look like?
	Because for me, on the alien autopsy, that distended stomach was always something that was very intriguing, and not something, if you were going to hoax it, that you would sort of put into a film.
	I do believe that these beings died very shortly, just before they were operated on.
	That's why the tissues and the blood were so clear and everything.
	Whether there were some gases at the moment when the body did die and that they expanded or something like that.
	So I don't necessarily believe that it was saying the body matches because he doesn't go on to explain what did the body look like.
	So I think he's sort of...
	Yeah, there is a paragraph that talks about body parts, but it's very convoluted.
	If you try to decipher it, actually, it is not clear what he is referring to.
	And I can actually find the paragraph in the document.
	I did put the document very briefly on the screen here for people.
	What is noticeable is that Kit Green is...
	Trying to, I think, back off of the idea that he was head of the Weird Disk in CIA and that he had anything at all to do with anything UFO, anything alien or related in his time there.
	And yet, strangely, the memos that were leaked do indicate that He was consulted by at least Bob Bigelow, who is an aerospace expert, aficionado, and also quite has his own opinions about the alien visitation on Earth, no doubt, and has been very public about that.
	Eric Davis and Hal Pudoff, both of whom are physicists and quite sophisticated players, you might say, and also members of the CIA.
	So they're having a dialogue in these memos.
	And the bottom line is they're asking Kit Green very specifically, also Colm Kelleher, again, a To the Stars member and a CIA member.
	So none of these memos stray far from To the Stars.
	In fact, they're right smack with what we call the aviary that was from years ago, as well as the To the Stars, now the more public To the Stars group.
	And this in itself makes everything that is going on suspect.
	But Kidd has said the memos are correct, that they really did exist, and he did write them, and the dialogue was with him.
	So what you have is a conversation among colleagues that theoretically was never going to be seen by the public.
	This is something that did make it into, if we understand the story, the files of Edgar Mitchell.
	Who is now conveniently dead.
	And whoever got into those files, that person is hidden.
	James Rigney, who was given the memos, is not forthcoming with who that person is, protecting his source, quite understandably.
	Now, is this an op, as we say?
	Is this an engineered op?
	Or did it become an op once the leak made it into the hands of Rigney?
	The interesting thing with Rigney being that he sat on the documents for what I understand is two years.
	And I also understand that there are more documents This is not the end of it, that they're sending them out in a little trickle, and they're sending them to two main researchers, if I understand it, which is Rich Dolan and Grant Cameron.
	Unfortunately, Cameron apparently got these documents from James Rigney, the Australian person, and he held onto them himself.
	I'm not sure whether it was just a few months or what it was, but he has expressed publicly that it frightened him.
	And I have said time and again that there's nothing in these documents that's, in my opinion, frightening.
	Now, the idea that they may be classified or I don't think they're stamped classified, if I recall.
	And all of this is available on the internet and on my website for people that want to see the actual documents in more detail.
	So what we have is Kit Green, again, Dr.
	Kit Green, who is actually, as I said, very, very involved background, very respected medical professional, being consulted by Two respected physicists who are also fairly public now as members of Two of the Stars and also the CIA. And former, I think, Hal Puthoff in his case was Navy Intelligence, if I recall.
	Probably still is.
	And so on.
	So what we have is a dialogue on paper between them.
	about the alien autopsy and they are questioning Dr.
	Green's conclusions to make sure they understand what he's saying and therefore we have very plain statements from Dr.
	Kit Green in writing saying the autopsy is real, the alien is real, and in fact the organs he believes went to This hospital, perhaps you remember the name of the hospital?
	Was it the Walter Reed Hospital?
	Yes, Walter Reed.
	And that he believed the organs might possibly be there.
	Why he would volunteer that sort of information in the memos if it wasn't true, I just would say is fairly unlikely.
	So there's also some question, I think was even brought up on the Sunday interview with Malaris and Mantle, suggesting that Dr.
	Kit Green has mentioned, I guess it was in the memos, I had kind of overlooked that, that there were body parts referred to, including the heart, that supposedly weren't in the 18-minute film.
	So, in other words, what Dr.
	Kit Green made his diagnosis off of, if we understand it, is first of all in 19...
	I think it was 81, some still photographs when he was shown in the Pentagon by an officer who he thought now is saying he was influenced by, who the officer led him to believe he was going to be shown a real alien.
	And you can appreciate that a medical officer, he was actually a member of the Air Force, a doctor in the Air Force at that time, would not be taking a mission like this lightly.
	A diagnosis would not be taken lightly and for him to be influenced by anything anyone said Versus what he's, you know, asked to look at is absurd in my view.
	So we, you know, there's some questionable statements that unfortunately, as a researcher, for whatever reason, Rich Dolan is not pursuing, at least not in this, in whatever he's disclosed as to their dialogue.
	But we do understand that there were dialogues that went on between Rich Dolan and Dr.
	Kit Green that We never are going to see the light of day from what we understand because suddenly, ostensibly, it was supposed to be a preliminary interview that was never going before the public and must have contained some very incendiary statements, again, that could not be seen by the public but that Rich Dolan somehow was party to, which is a good way to buy someone's silence.
	In my opinion.
	And then we have also got Kit Green painting himself as a sudden...
	He said he was a changed man because he read Jacques Vallée's Forbidden Science at some point after his diagnosis and that somehow this changed him.
	But how it changed him, because I am now reading Forbidden Science, and I can tell you that Jacques Vallée, if anything, would convince somebody that aliens were real, UFOs are real, and that if you did an autopsy or watched one, that very possibly it was real.
	So it wasn't like reading Vallée's books would suddenly convince him that his diagnosis was vastly wrong.
	However, we have him here in 2019 when with the release of the memos coming forward and claiming he knows very little about He got no clearances, even though he does attest in other videos,
	even that SRI video that you sent me, as you remember, to being very high level, having high level clearances to do with remote viewing, etc.
	So there are, and then he says he's a victim of what's called CCNG, which is camouflage, concealment and deception, a tactic of the CIA.
	And that he was selected as a high level officer of the CIA for being given a very small bit, is how he says it.
	They give their top officials very small bits of wrong information.
	And then those people are basically targeted.
	It's like they're stained, if you want to say, so that if they ever do violate their security oaths to another person, you know, privately, that they can trace the sort of...
	Providence of the information that they relied on and can see that they're talking out of school, as they say, and maybe being targeted that way also turned into basically a discredited disinformation agent.
	So this is a CIA process that I have no doubt goes on, whether Kit Green, at his level, And certainly of respectability, even during those years, to say nothing of now, was indeed targeted in this way.
	It seems ludicrous to me.
	But this is what he's claiming to Dolan again.
	So I know I'm sorry to keep going on.
	I'm trying to paint the picture here, but I would love it if you would kind of...
	Take a look at everything we're getting and just give your view because you are so experienced.
	There was a long dialogue on the Sunday, without even naming names, where they were trying to show memos and pictures and talk about film footage that was spliced on at the beginning to give The deceiving idea of 1947, etc.
	footage.
	And one has to say why, and there were two alien autopsy fakes put out there, why go to all this trouble to fake something when, you know, Unless it's real, there's no reason to bother with the fakes, you know, really.
	So in the end of the day, you know, you have to figure the motivations for what they're doing.
	Yeah, I just wanted to say about the remote viewing.
	I think that's an important link because I was reading Penetration, which was Ingo Swans, a fascinating account of being Brought into an intelligence agency in the early, I think, early 70s to remote view on the moon.
	And, you know, they found, you know, domes up there and even natural beings.
	And he tells her, really, if no one's ever read that book, you've got to read that one.
	That's like a fascinating story.
	And like you say, there is this link between remote viewing and a lot of the protagonists here, you know, like put off...
	I think Kit knows way more than he's saying, but obviously he's only so much he probably can say.
	I think what I'd say in a positive way is that I do feel like these leaks...
	From a beneficial source, I think only good has come out of it.
	As far as, you know, my own research into the alien autopsy, and I know, you know, we did that show on May 22nd where, you know, we had some sort of strange things going on, and obviously that generated a lot of publicity, and it was odd how, you know, how soon after that, you know, I think it was the 3rd of June that the, you know, the Kick Green emails came out, so...
	I feel like there is a battle going on with various intelligence agencies, white hats, black hats, whatever you want to call them, because what with this UFO News Network show that you listen to,
	and I heard as well, where they had these, they had Spiros and it had Philip and a Frank and this lady, Chant.
	It does seem that they're just debunking, basically, everything to do with these emails and saying it's got no credibility.
	Obviously, they're also going along with the lines that it's all disinformation and that the alien autopsy is a hoax.
	This magician guy, he's pulled off this hoax.
	What my research has shown over the years is that it's categorically not true.
	There's so many suspicious elements to this story.
	I mean, we know that just from the fact that in my interviews with you, I mean, I think if you put it together, it comes to like four hours or something, and that's not even including this video.
	So if it was a straightforward hoax, which it clearly isn't, there's something to this, and it's just a case of finding out You know, what it is.
	Obviously, what's upset a lot of people is that they wanted the ageing of the film because people will say, well, it has to be a hoax because, you know, we've authenticated the film and obviously they didn't authenticate it.
	It's a hoax, but that would be a crime to actually neglect all the information around it.
	And there is so much information around the subject that If you are just only going to accept it on the dating of the film, even though I appreciate the image that Bob Schell, who's now serving 32 years for manslaughter, he did a two-hour show with Art Bell.
	He was giving credibility to the subject.
	He was...
	He did validate a piece of film which was that piece of footage going into the autopsy room and which the magician claims is from going into a baseball changing room or something like that.
	But the more I look into all these claims and it just...
	I mean, nothing's wavered.
	I've not wavered from my first thoughts about there being very suspicious because I've been following the story for a long time.
	It's not something new.
	When this magician guy first came on the scene in 2007, I was at the conference and Philip was there, Jesse, Marcel's son, Michael Hessman, and this magician guy, he was there.
	Quite why you would invite someone who's, you know, claims to a UFO conference, you know, just beggars belief.
	Why would you invite such a person to a UFO? I joke the other day, it's like having, inviting a speaker to a flat earth conference who actually, you know, thinks, you know, the world is round and that, you know.
	I just, why would you bring in someone like that?
	So I was suspicious.
	At the time, about his claims, and nothing I've seen over the years, and with all the things that have been going on lately, I mean, it's just ridiculous.
	There seems to be an attempt, what with this new show by the UFO News Network show, to just debunk the whole thing, the emails from Kit and the alien autopsy.
	So, I think we should be very suspicious of what's actually going on now, because what's good with things like this show and all these other researchers, not just yourself, Kerry, people can think what they like about Richard, Linda and Grant, but...
	If we all put in as much as we can to get to the bottom of this, maybe that will bring us all together to unite over what I see as a clear deception, a conspiracy, a conspiracy to conceal the truth over what happened in 1995.
	And we're going to get to...
	There's something that's going to happen.
	I've no doubt about it.
	There's more to this that's going to come out.
	There's lots of people, obviously, who are still alive.
	I mean, we're not going back to 47.
	We're not dealing with people who are involved in the...
	We're actually dealing with people who are involved in the marketing of the film.
	We're dealing with people that the cameraman, his son, would still be alive, family members.
	Obviously, I feel that people have been threatened.
	I think people have been...
	Told to keep quiet.
	I'm sure these people can be very intimidating, especially if you've got loved ones.
	I've no doubt about that.
	That's how these people work.
	I do believe that the films are confiscated, as I've said in previous talks, that Philip Batsova Ray had all these footage to go.
	He had transferred a lot to video, and many people had seen it, and the cat was, so to speak, out of the bag, and they'd They intervene, basically.
	Whether there was a break-ins, and there was break-ins, because we know there were break-ins.
	If this is all just for a hoax, then it does seem very odd.
	And it's not just Ray.
	There's people working with him.
	Keith Bateman, I think, is an interesting character who I'd like to talk more to, because he was the guy who was involved in the 10th version.
	But, you know, he, as Philip himself mentioned the other day, he said he wasn't aware, but because he always thought that Keith Bateman was the real, if you believe the hopes narrative, he was saying that, oh, he came up with this idea for an alien autopsy.
	But, no, Keith was adamant that, I think, in 94, when they created this 10th footage, that Ray was already talking about it, and he had already gone to Roswell, in fact.
	So, this would tie in with a timeline when Ray was, in 92, was, I'm very suspicious of this woman who seems to have got two and a half hour video with Gary Shufield.
	And, you know, 45 minutes of Ray Santillian, who's appeared from nowhere, so I've just put that on the record, and who's sort of, you know, within two days' silence moves.
	Yeah, I mean, thank you for that.
	Your comments there are very useful and I think help maybe people have a different perspective of what's really going on there.
	I would say that some of these people, including even this latest so-called network that has done this interview with Melaris and Mantle on the Sunday.
	I believe it was on the Sunday.
	I'm not sure exactly.
	But at any rate, the confusion among the hosts, there were several hosts, so perhaps that's why they have confusion, but nonetheless, over documentation.
	and then Kodak clearly saying that whatever they saw, and this is in contention, I do want to get your thought on this, they spent quite a long time talking about what Kodak saw or what Kodak didn't see.
	And I guess the magician, as you call him, coming forward and saying there was a scenario involved with Kodak in which he played, there was a good cop, bad cop scenario with Ray Santilli and himself, explaining bad cop scenario with Ray Santilli and himself, explaining or only showing Kodak certain things and not other things to do with the footage, and this all being trying to back up at the later
	and this all being trying to back up at the later date the idea that it is a hoax, even though they kept saying And then Kodak saying that, yes, it was from the 1940s and it could be 1950s.
	I forget the exact years.
	I think it was something like 1927, 47, and 67.
	And so it had to be one of those three years.
	They couldn't narrow it down without seeing the film.
	They weren't allowed to test the film.
	But they unrolled some of the film, which was supposed to be the fake leader from this old film that they gathered from Roswell from 1947 of a baseball game.
	And it had a lot of leader on it with no images, so it was spliced onto the, as the story goes, to make the fake alien autopsy film, if I understood what was said there.
	But going to a lot of detail and trouble to do all of that.
	Again, what was your thoughts about the deal with Kodak?
	Because Kodak, in a sense, in those documents, actually is substantiating the notion that whatever Kodak saw did appear to be...
	Yeah, I mean, it had the edge code, you know, I think a triangle and square, so like you said, it was, you know, it was either 27, 47, or 67, and, you know, Bob Schell was, you know, a photography expert, and he was validating the piece of footage that the magician claims that,
	you know, he pulled a fast one, and he was a magician, trick sleight of hand, where he fed this Kodak person like a piece of Of, you know, this leader film, and that's why they got 1947.
	He wondered why, you know, if he hasn't got the alien image of it, you know, why would he even, you know, care about that?
	So, yeah, I think there was obviously a lot of controversy.
	I think there was a big...
	I think that footage basically was taken out of...
	There was one thing that they couldn't have, and that was the verification of the footage as being...
	Of that year with the alien image, because obviously that would be, you know, game over.
	I mean, if you prove that the alien is on Peter film, then that's, you know, that's the confirmation you're going to want.
	But with regards to what was seen on some of those photos, what were shown on that show, you know, like the note from Philip from I think it was Con Calica and these other guys,
	you know, that was to do with referencing the returning of the Betacam footage that Ray had given Philip, which is like a superior quality version of the alien autopsy.
	You can see images on that Betacam on my Facebook page.
	But yeah, the whole Kodak thing was, I think, again, that there was some Intervention there, or something that couldn't be validated, that would never have been allowed to be validated.
	So, for me, I don't...
	I'm much more interested in all the things around the subject, because obviously, without having Alien on the image, regardless, even if it was...
	Supposedly, and I do believe it was now 47, that people would only ever be happy, you know, with that image in it.
	And supposedly Ray's still saying that he has got these images and that.
	With regards to Ray and what's, you know, the latest story I was hearing spirits say that Gary and Ray have sort of, you know, gone their separate ways and they're not getting on.
	I mean, a lot of it is just theatrics.
	There's some sort of story.
	I mean, this is one of the things that People don't seem to understand about my point of view.
	I'm saying that Ray lied.
	I'm not sort of barring down and saying he's some sort of godlike person because he's brought this piece of footage out.
	I'm saying he lied in 2006.
	Whether he was told not to threaten, whether he was paid off, it doesn't really matter.
	All this story, these theatrics, these videos...
	He's done in interviews.
	I'm not buying any of it.
	It seems very much that, as I've always said, I say this, that it's the same narrative, the whole idea that they're in dispute, that the magician's arguing with Ray.
	This is part of a sort of greater deception narrative.
	As I say, I don't believe that it was a recreation.
	I just think that's nonsense.
	I'm sorry for the magician because he just continually says, oh, well, Ray, you know, he even suggested that I was behind the leaks or involved with the leaks.
	I think he suggested that Grant Cameron may have cut a deal with Ray and that they're going to, you know, bring this more attention and they would make money out of it.
	And, you know, I'm not buying any of this nonsense.
	It's just stupid.
	I think these people are getting really desperate.
	I just want to stop you there because I want to be really careful that we don't have any kind of interference here with this broadcast.
	I just want to say that regardless of whether people are being misled on purpose, there is enough going on here to To make a person suspect as to whether or not this is,
	again, an operation, a cover-up operation, and a very semi-clever one, but it has some big stumbling blocks, apparently, especially when the cameraman did an interview with his son, or at least a friend of the cameraman, however we want to view that.
	And other sort of sides to this.
	And they had no financial sort of vested interest whatsoever.
	So you have to really ask yourself why anyone would even bother.
	This is also clearly an elderly kind of individual.
	Then I also want to bring your attention to this very interesting article.
	Let's see if I can bring it on the screen here.
	Because some people will wonder You know, this actually did get into a major newspaper recently.
	So let's see if I can get this here.
	Yeah.
	So you won't be able to see this, but I can read it to you in your English.
	So this was actually something that was in your...
	There was a Daily Mail article and it came out, the actual date of it is the 2nd of July 2019.
	And I'm going to read the title, although people looking at the screen can see the title there.
	A duped CIA scientist believed hoaxed 1995 Roswell alien autopsy video was real and claims that he saw same footage in a Pentagon briefing report Eight years earlier, leaked memo reveals.
	So then there's a number of items below that, sort of for the interest of people that are listening and watching here.
	So this controversy is actually front and center news at the moment, if you can appreciate that.
	And again, there is a serendipity that happened because I interviewed you, asked you for an interview.
	Actually, I've been asking you for, I think it was something like two years, and then finally we kind of nailed you down and we got you in on May 22nd of this year.
	And everything broke after that.
	So one would think that that particular show seemed to have been some kind of instigator for basically an avalanche of stuff.
	And both of us, I think, were kind of, I don't know if you want to say bemused, surprised, sort of, I'm not sure what the descriptor would be, but when the memos came out, and they were literally to do with the alien autopsy, at least 10 pages of them, or 11 pages.
	With this so-called leak that includes the Admiral Wilson document, which I've done several shows on already as well.
	So, you know, this is what we call a coincidence or synchronicity, but I would say it's actually too convenient to be anything other than somewhat orchestrated.
	So, then I have a big question for you, and I hope that this will kind of tweak people's minds.
	So what I like to do sometimes with things like this is take the opposite point of view.
	So if you appreciate that Kit Green, all those years ago in 2001, wrote these memos to his colleagues.
	Stating that autopsy is real, that body is real, that alien is real, alien, so on.
	And then those went into files, and then they surfaced here in 2019 in June.
	I believe it was June, although I'm not sure the exact date.
	And then he became sort of, you know, you can see by this article that I'm putting on here, the Daily Mail, that it hit the mainstream news, at least in Britain, maybe not in the United States.
	And so at that point, they were faced with a choice.
	They had a scientist that was definitely CIA, was also Air Force at one point, And, you know, a respected medical professional, Dr.
	Kit Green, who was stating his diagnosis back in those days.
	Not only did he make a diagnosis based in theory, In 1995, with the Ray Santilli film, which apparently he looked at and was delivered to them and they watched.
	But then in 1981, even prior to that, he was seeing footage on still photographs that then materialized in this footage that Santilli had.
	So what we have is a scientist who is now out.
	He is front and center.
	He's been known, by the way, in the UFO community as being a good friend of Ron Pandolfi and Hal Pudoff for ages, and part of the aviary, as I say, kind of part of the disclosure group, which I kind of talk about in my presentation, as being a team that is supposed to be the go-betweens between the Secret Space Program and and disclosing anything to the public.
	So it filters through these individuals who are members of To The Stars and were members or are members of the aviary behind the scenes.
	So what do they do with this scientist who suddenly can break open the story for the entire world?
	Aliens are here.
	They're real.
	We have a crashed retrieval back in 1947 in which the military was dealing with an autopsy of an alien And they never came forward and told the public.
	So they've been keeping this secret all these years.
	And one person is going to be responsible for saying, yes, it's real.
	Yes, there is an alien.
	And this is real footage.
	And so on.
	So the responsibility is all on Kit Green.
	Suddenly, what they have to do is they have to get him out from under this Because that's a huge load and apparently, if you go along with your thoughts, this leaked memo was leaked by a so-called what we might call a white hat in favor of some form of disclosure, but then it was clamped down upon in a number of ways that I've sort of detailed here, but I've gone into more about this in my presentation and so on.
	So you've got Kit Green as being the person worldwide who's disclosing aliens are real.
	That's where it gels down to.
	So then you have to say to yourself, is this something they're ready for right now, June 2019?
	And is this something they're going to allow to be out there?
	Or are they going to basically bust their ass to backtrack and to get Kit to become aliens?
	A relatively inconsequential individual who was then a victim of disinfo, which is what they did.
	Which is very convenient because you're talking about a guy on the hot seat who has to get off the hot seat and fast.
	And interestingly enough, all of this is happening and then we've got certain individuals Who would not do an interview with me.
	All of them were invited back in May, actually.
	And Kit Green is included.
	I've invited him since the leaks of the memos for an interview.
	No reply whatsoever.
	And basically, certain people chosen to do interviews with.
	Coming forward, but never asking the hard questions, never really digging in in the way that certainly I would or you would.
	So this is where the questions emerge.
	And so again, Daily Mail making Kit Green basically front and center a duped scientist, which ruins his reputation, I would think.
	And now suddenly he's fallen into lockstep and he's admitting that he was misled, he was deluded, and so on, all those years ago, very conveniently backtracking off everything he said in those memos.
	You couldn't, you know, ask for a gift on a platter if you were the secret government, MJ-12, you know, so on and so forth.
	It's not a gift.
	It can't be a gift.
	This is orchestrated and this is what's going on.
	So this is my opinion.
	So what do you think about that?
	The idea that Kit Green was the guy who they would have to deal with as being the person worldwide to release the fact aliens are real, UFOs are real, and they knew back in 1947 that this was the case and they conducted an autopsy as well.
	Yeah, I mean, I think it's interesting, you know, that he He's now saying, obviously, like you say about it, being a disenfant film and I think he actually said, oh, you know, I realised in years, you know, after 2001 that it was a hoax and that, but what was an annoying thing that Richard didn't actually ask was, you know, well, what did you base that actual evidence on?
	Was it what everyone else did?
	Was it the...
	2006 documentary, Eamon Investigates, where Ray admitted it was all a hoax, albeit a recreation.
	Or is he saying that he buys exactly what the magician says and that it was all a hoax?
	But yeah, I feel in some ways that kit was being used.
	I think he might actually...
	I think definitely he knows a lot more, and he's not obviously going to reveal that, what's actually going on.
	I think what may happen next, because Ray and Gary, I think, are both saying there's a minute and a half of footage, or I think they're now saying that there's going to be these tests or something.
	I mean, it sort of changed his story again, but For me, it's all a distraction.
	It's a distraction from the original footage, which I believe is real.
	And also, like I say, the debris.
	So all this sort of disinfo that's been put out since is just more of the same.
	And it is strange, like you say, that only certain people...
	I mean, even Philip Mantle, as much as I don't get on with him, at least he would be asking, you know, more probing questions.
	I mean, one question that no one's asked was, you know, well, in 95, you know, he was so sincere, came across, you know, How is it that in 1995 you were saying it was real and then 2006, you know, as a recreation, how do you reconcile that?
	I don't think anyone's actually asked that straightforward question and I've sent Ray a lot of interesting questions but I know for a fact that no one else has asked and he said he would get back to me in April and sadly Ray's not Willing to reply.
	I do believe he's under some form of control.
	He has to be.
	How can he not be?
	As is Gary.
	I think they're playing out some narrative now which will...
	I think they'll just try and kill the story.
	It'll just drag on and nothing much will actually happen.
	They'll promise something and might have the old image, but...
	It'll just be a distraction, really, from those original images that we saw in 1995.
	Well, let me ask you this.
	You did such a wonderful presentation, even being hobbled by the fact that you couldn't show your images on my show the last few times.
	You showed the footage of the former doctor who...
	Roger Lear.
	Yeah, Roger Lear, who had the same diagnosis as Kit Green.
	So you've got another medical doctor, albeit maybe not as lofty sort of medical...
	He was a foot doctor, basically, but he spent a long time taking implants out of individuals and tracking the whole alien situation.
	But he and, from what I understand, there were other colleagues that were viewing the footage, and they came to the same conclusion Kit Green did.
	So that, to me, was quite compelling.
	And no one has mentioned that.
	Again, Roger Lear is no longer with us.
	He's conveniently not alive.
	And then, of course, there is that individual who's in prison very conveniently.
	Would you say that the person in prison might be able to clear up the whole story if he were allowed to come forward?
	Well, to be fair, I don't think Bob knows any more than what he said and what he experienced at the time.
	Like I said, he has got this book out, which I think I referenced in the last video, Cosmic Dance or something.
	But I don't think he himself, personally, has got any more to say.
	But I just felt like they silenced him because he had such high credentials.
	He was a respected person.
	and he had intelligence agency links and um you know if you do look into the death of his of his you know his young girlfriend i mean it was his girlfriend she died from i think a morphine overdose i mean you have to start you know you can have people say oh you're conspiracy theorists and all this sort of stuff but I mean, you start looking up and adding all the dots into this, you know, the whole thing stinks.
	I mean, you have to ask the question.
	There was all sorts of intrigues over, you know, I think it was delayed four years, the trial, and there was all sorts of...
	I mean, that's probably a whole talk.
	You know, he could obviously give that himself if he ever let him out.
	You know, I think he's probably done ten years or so.
	So, I... You'd have to say that there's lots of odd things.
	Clifford Stone's son, who died literally a week before the August 1995, I think the week before it was shown, around the world.
	He was validating.
	He talks about that funk fort Belvoir looking down into the atrium through a glass window.
	He claims that he saw very similar films to the To the Santilli footage that these young soldiers or these people were watching, being educated on.
	And his son died in, I think, a car.
	You know, again, a very suspicious thing.
	Yeah, I think it was a motorcycle accident.
	Yeah, I mean, he was like, I don't know, 18 or something.
	I mean, it's a lot of very dodgy things.
	And certainly, you know, I've been accused of sending threats to myself.
	I've had like an anonymous...
	Text message not long after you.
	We did that show, and then I had a voicemail message, which was backward, and you had to reverse it to hear it, and it was basically a death threat.
	So I had to go to the police to get that down, because I'm not going to...
	I mean, a text message I can sort of brush off as saying, you know...
	You're being watched and all this and stop the chit-chat and all that sort of thing.
	And people will say, well, you know, he's sending this to himself to create, you know, he wants to get on the circuit and start talking about this.
	And, you know, he's got, I played this, you know, you can listen to these, you can listen to the phone call that I put on my page.
	You know, where someone's saying, oh, well, you know, that road on the way to the airport, you know, known for accidents and all this sort of, you know, you're being watched.
	And it's just, right, yeah, I've made it all up, haven't I? It's just all nonsense.
	It's just funny that all these attacks and attempts to sort of intimidate me have sprung up since, you know.
	Right, and my copyright.
	Strike that has actually interfered with me making any money or much money as I can't go live on my main channel like right now we're live on this alternative channel and having a time delay and interestingly enough I tried to advertise this show Uh,
	last night in the middle of the night and, uh, and I couldn't get on and what are the chances of this?
	I couldn't get on Facebook.
	I couldn't get on, uh, my, uh, social media to put this thing out and I couldn't get on the thing that goes to the social media, which I use.
	Um, it's called Zolo or whatever it's called.
	And they, they wouldn't let me.
	And also I wasn't able to, uh, To get anywhere.
	In other words, I couldn't advertise the show last night in the middle of the night, which is strange to think that, and also looked like my website was being hacked somehow, because it was reduced to some kind of weird...
	Text thing going on.
	In other words, why the craziness behind the scene?
	I also recently, YouTube has extended my copyright strike, so rather than going from sometime in May, which was May 22nd, it was actually, I photographed it, so I actually have a screenshot that they gave me the strike in May 22nd.
	It's supposed to be 90 days later, which would have been August 22nd.
	From then on, I'm supposed to be free of it.
	Instead, they've now changed the date to July 2nd.
	And so I can't go live until after the end of September.
	In other words, trying to shut me up, trying to interfere with my ability to broadcast all around this alien autopsy thing.
	So, you know, you want to say it doesn't matter, it's immaterial, then why bother and why give me a strike and not Rich Dolan?
	Why give me a strike and none of the other people on the internet that have been broadcasting these photos, etc.
	So, you know, you have to look at those kinds of things as well.
	And then, obviously, this individual in prison who had...
	Information pertinent to the story.
	Roger Lear passed on, obviously can't speak for himself here, I guess.
	Who knows, maybe he would be changing his diagnosis, too, after all those years.
	You know, what goes on with this kind of thing?
	You know, why change everything?
	30, 40 years later, you have a completely different take on everything.
	I don't know.
	If you can't rely on a medical doctor to be accurate in these ways, I mean, why wouldn't the diagnosis have a caveat at that point?
	Why wouldn't he have told his colleagues, well, I'm not really sure.
	I just saw a bit of footage.
	It's, you know, so-and-so.
	That wasn't how it was given.
	and it was actually no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
	If you read the memo, he was very emphatic, actually, interestingly enough.
	So this is the situation we're in.
	Do you have any other I know we're keeping you a while, and it's later at night at your end.
	But I'm going to open this up to the chat also if people have questions.
	But...
	I just want to ask you, is there any other details in terms of the saga?
	I can say unequivocally that I have a deep black witness who has said, yes, this footage, the original footage is real.
	There was a cameraman.
	He did shoot this footage back in...
	In 1947, it was kept from the public and did make a release via Santilli, but then they did mess with it, is how he put it.
	So that some of the footage is real and some, perhaps, is not all in the same video, that 18-minute video, very famous.
	But unequivocally, that's a real alien and that it's a real Autopsy.
	And in fact, there are countless numbers of alien autopsies going on all the time.
	So this hasn't reached the public.
	Sneaked out, yeah.
	So anything else that you want to contribute here?
	I mean, I've talked that before, but I mean, there were a lot of other pathologists.
	I mean, there were some great shows that were done, and I don't know if there's many French or Italian speakers.
	They could probably back that up.
	They did some of the best shows on the alien autopsy.
	Around that August, September, October period, far superior to the sad effort that we got here.
	And then, you know, they had people like pathologists there.
	Bob Shell was on one of those shows, I think the French one.
	And there was all sorts of interesting information, such as the claim that, you know, the table was specifically made, the autopsy table was specifically made for this event.
	Because the lab was set up and the cameraman claimed that the lab was set up and I would imagine that this, you know, one of the people who claims that he hoaxed it saying, well, you know, I made this table and all stuff like that, you know.
	Well, actually, there's some truth to that.
	Not that he made it, but it was actually, you know, made specifically for this, and that's why you can't find any of the details of this specific autopsy table.
	I mean, as if you're going to, you know, it's like the claim about these suits being made, you know, you're going to find it on Google or something like that.
	I mean, it's not going to happen.
	But in regard to the, you know, there was some famous Italian...
	Pathologists who, again, they did the same as Roger Lear.
	These people were actually pathologists, and I think I probably mentioned it in the first talk, but they said, for them, that what we were seeing there was a genuine autopsy of a very highly strange being, you know.
	So...
	What else is there to say?
	It probably is so much.
	It boggles my mind.
	I don't know how the people feel at home because I spend so much time looking into it and things sort of come to me and I go through my notes and then something else will pop up and I'll start investigating in it and I'm probably forgetting stuff maybe I haven't talked about and the stuff even now I sort of start drilling down bits and pieces and Interesting sort of threads I reveal.
	I guess it's more recently, you know, it's the attacks and the sort of belittling of my character, whatever, to sort of imply that, you know, I have no credibility.
	I mean, I don't claim to be a world-famous ufology.
	I just got a ufologist, but I... What people probably don't know is that, you know, I have spent such a long time studying these subjects.
	I do go to, I've been to many, many conferences, you know, the last 10 international conferences.
	So, I mean, people can say what they want about me, you know, they can make up stuff.
	I'll tell you for a fact that people have made up stuff.
	I'm not saying I know who these people are, but Obviously, they see me as a threat because I am given credibility.
	Now, with the, you know, the kick green stuff, it has put me in the spotlight.
	And people do want to know more.
	I mean, it's such a, when there's a confession, obviously, no one wants to touch it.
	You know, when the pet man himself came forward...
	And said it was real in 95, and then claims, no, well, it wasn't quite real, albeit a recreation.
	People, you know, if you're a serious ufologist, you would be wary of going anywhere near that, because as soon as you start saying, well, there might be something to this, people, the attacks I've seen on people, you know, just, like, whatever you think about Richard Dole and Grant Cameron and Lin Malt and Howe, some of the attacks I've seen have been, you know, shocking, really.
	But I kind of see this as just things playing itself out.
	These people know that there's something to it.
	And there could be some more emails coming out.
	There could be something else that happens.
	That's what I'm saying.
	I think there's going to be definitely...
	I'm not saying that I do believe Ray and Gary are still compromised.
	I don't think they're going to be allowed to shed the light on this anytime soon.
	soon unless there is some positive white hat factor that is now working with them possibly we don't know specifically what's going on and what sort of narrative they
	But at this moment, I think there is still this urge to sort of cover up this and to debunk it all and then to tarnish people who have spent a lot of time studying it And what frustrates me is that people think they know a lot about the subject of the alien autopsy.
	And as I say, you'd have to read all the book.
	You'd have to study a long time.
	And I can assure you that most people just do not know the half of it.
	And I'm not even saying I know.
	I mean, there's obviously lots of that was hidden.
	But, you know, I'm not privy to.
	But what I've attempted to do...
	With all my research and going and doing talks when people were not taking it seriously and sort of saying, well, this is a joke, isn't it?
	But, you know, once I started doing talks, people were interested and they did say they didn't know about these things because it hadn't been brought to their attention for some reason.
	And I was raising valid questions.
	About the claims of a cover, you know, the claims that it was all at home, because what I think the big mistake they made was actually not letting it lie.
	I know they don't like mysteries, the people who rule over us, and especially intriguing pieces of film footage, I suppose, from the 40s, but the biggest mistake was actually to cover up the money, because it just brings a whole new...
	You know, it's a whole separate talk in itself.
	All the money that's been put into the documentaries, the films, the commissioning, having people take credit for hoaxing it.
	And you can start looking into these interviews.
	You can shine a light on them and you think, well, you know, are these people being honest?
	And why is there no one talking?
	There only seems to be one person talking.
	I was making this point earlier, you know, that there's like, there were six people People, if you believe the hoax narrative, are involved in it, but none of them want to back up the main hoax, which is kind of odd.
	He seems to have full dominance over, you know, it's as if they could only teach one person to tell the actual narrative.
	So the fact that all these other people were supposedly in this room in Camden doing this hoax, you want to sort of cross-reference them and say, well, get them onto a camera and then, you know, study their body language.
	See how, because I can assure you that this is a cover-up.
	This is a conspiracy and it's going to be interesting to see what happens.
	All I can say in the next few years regarding the alien autopsy.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Well, thank you for that.
	Yes, and I just want to thank you again for your amazing work.
	And anyone who has seen Part 1 and Part 2 will know that Colin has gone into extensive detail on every step of the way and really substantiates the story in a beautiful way.
	So, you know, thank you again for that, Colin, and thank you for taking the time tonight.
	I am...
	Offering to the chat to any questions to be put into all caps.
	And we do have a few minutes for questions if people want to participate in that way.
	Although, strangely, I don't see any questions coming in there.
	So, I don't know.
	It's unlike me finishing early for once.
	In a state of shocker or what's going on over there.
	But at any rate, thank you again.
	We will revisit this as new information comes forward and this Is, again, meant as an investigation and simply bringing up a lot of the holes in what seems to be the testimonies of many people or a few people lately and even over the years and asking the good questions which need to be asked.
	So that's what we're all about here.
	And so, Colin, any wrap-up comments before I say goodnight?
	Yeah, I mean, I'm just referring to what we were talking about at the beginning, that Buddy Zellman gentleman, if anyone knows, because I mean, I did find him on Facebook, and I think his wife was named Marion, so, you know, this is the ATS story I was referring to earlier about, you know, they claimed that he was a friend of the cameraman, and I think these people are in their 80s now, so I don't know.
	I mean, they still have Facebook groups, and I did reach out to them, but maybe if anyone knows who...
	Who can shed some more light on who that...
	If you can tell us more about Bernard Zellman, also known as Buddy Zellman, and he was involved with Cosmic Records, and I believe he was married to Mario.
	So, yeah, that's from my own sort of curiosity, because I don't think the guy is on ATS now, the guy who did that original posting, so just a little...
	I want to put that out there, so someone must know who that is, just to sort of It would be nice to sort of know if there's anything to that, in fact, these claims that he was the cameraman being I'm muted.
	So what I was saying is that that was a very good point with regard to Zellman and that if anyone knows how to contact those individuals and let them know that we're happy to do a show with them, that we would like to open that dialogue.
	And also, Colin, do you have an email address you want to give?
	Email address?
	Not an email address.
	You can just contact me via the Alien Autopsy Facebook page.
	You can message me via there, but I'm sure you'll be able to get hold of me.
	You can get hold of me, just message me, private message me.
	Okay, so that's via your Facebook, is what you're saying?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	All right.
	I'm not getting enough strange emails as it is, messages and things like that, encouraging.
	Right.
	But yeah, sure, contact me via the...
	Well, you are, as I say, For those that are watching, you've given us a great sort of in-depth overview and with clips and just amazing research, really, about this story.
	And so thank you again for that.
	And thanks for coming on the show again to look at these latest developments.
	And we'll sort of hope to have you back.
	Yeah, good.
	And just one last thing I just remembered was I think there is a book coming out shortly that Grant's referred to that's going to have a chapter on the alien autopsy.
	Blow-by-blow coverage of all the actual footage, so that there is stuff in the works, and obviously there's going to be counter-arguments, documentaries, there might be some new documentaries coming out, so keep your eyes peeled for that.
	There is information more going on for both sides of this story, so it's going to get pretty hot, I think, over the next few months.
	So keep them peeled and keep following the page, and I'll try and do my best to keep up to date with what's going on next.
	All right.
	All right.
	Thank you very much again and have a great night.
	Thanks, Kerry.
	Great, great, great to be here.
	And I look forward to our next conversation.
	Excellent.
	Want to let everyone know that I will be speaking, as I said, and doing a presentation that will partially be dealing with this alien autopsy and some of the things to do with it.
	In Yelm, in person, this weekend, Labor Day weekend.
	So I'll be speaking on the Saturday for those that are interested.
	And the links and everything about the event can be found also on my website at projectcamelot.tv, projectcamelot.tv.
	Org and projectcamelotportal.com if you go under Events.
	It's a tab at the top, just a menu item called Events, and go to the drop-down and you'll see the Yelm.
	It's called an Earth UFO Fest where I'll be speaking along with Alex Collier, Randy Kramer, Joanne Richards, and several others.
	And so it's quite a good lineup.
	I think people will be It's a lot of fun.
	I spoke last year and we had a great time.
	I highly recommend that.
	Thanks again for watching and listening.
	Please help support this work and help support Colin.
	Positive energy would be appreciated.
	I know Colin has been under attack just lately quite a bit.
	And so if people can send him some good energy, that would be really appreciated.
	He's a real trooper.
	And again, I highly recommend Part 1 and Part 2.
	Because we got a copyright strike on Part 1, it has been moved to BitChute.
	But you can watch it there, and I have the link on my, if you go to my website, you can just put in Alien Autopsy and you should find the links to this as well as my part two, which is here on my channel.
	on my main channel and you can watch it there.
	We, again, didn't use any pictures or photos to avoid any controversial strikes, etc.
	So, thanks again for watching and have a great afternoon.

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