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May 30, 2019 - Project Camelot

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CHARLES MICHAEL BEAVER: SPIRIT ATTACHMENTS, ETS & DARK ENERGY

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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Hi, everyone.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy to be here tonight.
	I have a fascinating guest and I'm sure you're going to think so as well.
	I would like everyone to go to my projectcamelot.tv website while you're watching this and look at his bio because he's quite an interesting guy.
	A real mixture of things actually.
	And so we're going to put him on the screen while I... And basically, Michael, or Mike, however you want me to say, do you, and is it Michael or Mike?
	Either way.
	Alright, so basically say hello to everyone.
	Hello everyone.
	And then what we're going to do here is just take a look at his bio, because it is quite fascinating, I have to say, and I'm going to see if I can put it on the screen.
	That shouldn't be so difficult.
	Okay, so he is a hypnotherapist.
	He's a former stuntman.
	He has a book.
	I don't know if it's quite finished, but he has an index.
	And he was also an information technology engineer for, I think, around 40 years, 41 years.
	And a martial artist, videographer, and amateur ufology researcher and enthusiast, and a contactee.
	And he's got some other interesting skills as well that we're going to talk about.
	And I see you've got a movie bio.
	I don't know if I should test the fates and try to bring that up here.
	Yes.
	So, I'm putting this on the screen.
	Houston Stuntman's Association.
	And he really was a stuntman.
	He's got a bunch of credits here.
	Very impressive.
	Not an easy job to be a stuntman.
	My God.
	In Hollywood.
	Okay.
	So, and a hypnotherapy program.
	It has a hypnotherapy homepage.
	Alright, so that's my guest.
	And his name is Charles Michael Beaver, but he goes by the name of Mike.
	And so, basically, what I'd like to do is start off with you explaining to me how you became a stuntman, first of all.
	Well, I was working for a very small fabric company.
	I was in the back of the company in a warehouse rolling fabric.
	If you're buying fabric wholesale for draperies and things, you pick out the fabric you want and they go out and grab the bolt off the rack in the warehouse and they stick it on a light table and you roll it over the light table and you look at flaws and you give Give allowances for flaws so that they can work around the flaws.
	And I was doing that.
	I was rolling a fabric bolt over a light table.
	And a guy walked in the room to get fabric for his mother.
	He did the outside stuff for her business, doing draperies and blinds and stuff.
	And he was also a stuntman.
	He was the right hand.
	He used to be the right hand of David Sanders, who is the head of the Houston Stuntman Association, which is no more.
	So that's how I became a stuntman.
	I met the right guy at the right time, and I was sort of his right hand, and he was the right hand of David Sanders.
	Is David Sanders a famous stuntman?
	No, first of all, none of this was in Hollywood.
	It was in Houston, Texas.
	And second, David Sanders is not famous.
	He's retired.
	He lives on his father's ranch in West Texas.
	But he spent a year as a roommate with a fellow who was the assistant start coordinator on Robocop 2.
	I got a call to work on that movie.
	I turned it down because I didn't want to lose my job.
	And I lost my job the next day.
	Of all things.
	So, yeah, the most dangerous stunt I ever did was I did a flying sidekick off the top of a two-story racquetball court on the Wyo Ranch, West Texas, and landed on a sponge bag that he owns that is about one quarter of the size of the smallest airbag.
	And I don't know if you know anything about High Falls, but The lower they are, the more dangerous they are.
	The higher they are, the safer they are.
	And this was only two floors up.
	So I was doing a fight scene on the roof of this building.
	And the last thing that happens is the bad guy does a flying sidekick at the good guy.
	And the good guy is standing next to the edge of the building and he just steps out of the way and the bad guy goes flying off the building down to his death.
	So I had to do that in real life.
	I had to do it three times and the first two times I landed standing up and my body compressed in half and my head hit my right knee where my eye is and it busted the blood vessels around my eye.
	My eye filled up with blood and it messed up my ribs on the left side which I can still feel today on a rare occasion and I had to do it three times.
	That all happened On the first time.
	And then I had to do it two more times after that.
	So, on the second time, I landed on my feet also.
	And then I looked in the...
	This was a video.
	It was a 3D video movie.
	It wasn't made in 35mm.
	It was made in 3D video.
	And I could see the outtakes live.
	You know, they were playing back.
	And I looked at the Of what happened that I just did twice and I noticed that I was about the size of an ant and nobody would ever be able to see how I did it.
	So the third time I did it correctly.
	Instead of doing a flying sidekick like you would normally do it, I laid down and I jumped up like doing a sidekick over this little wall that's on the edge, like two and a half foot, three foot wall on the edge of the building.
	I had to fly over that And then down and land below.
	And so, instead of, on a normal sidekick, your upper body is upright and your lower body is out to the side.
	And it's made, that technique is made to knock people off horses.
	And, but, so I noticed that I was so small.
	So the third time, I just did it laying down.
	I laid back before I even went off the building.
	I was flying over that wall Already laid down, and then I landed on my back.
	Of course, when I landed that time, about the middle of my stomach down was on the mat, and from the middle of my stomach up was off the mat.
	So I'm very lucky I didn't break my back on that fall, on the third fall.
	So that was the most dangerous stunt I ever did.
	Okay, but why, like, were you a really good athlete?
	Is that why you became a stuntman?
	I mean, how did that happen?
	Well, okay, so when I met the guy in that warehouse, Roland Fabric, I was into photography.
	I took a photo of the first space shuttle launch that won the Houston Chronicle Kodak contest for amateurs, but it was never published because it was disqualified.
	It was, you know, a few days too old.
	And so basically the team...
	It was all new people, and the only person that had any real experience in the stunt world was the head of the...
	David Sanders himself, plus the guy that got me into it, David Carlos, his right hand.
	They had experience with real stunt work, but the rest of the people in the team were all brand new and newbies, and they all had talent, but not a lot of stunt credits.
	And so what they needed was portfolios.
	So I was a photographer, and so I took the photos for all their stunts so that they could put in their portfolios so they could show people to get more stunt work.
	So basically I started out as the guy carrying stuff around for free and taking photos.
	That's how I got started on the team.
	Okay, but you didn't answer my question.
	So, did you have physical abilities?
	Like, were you a good athlete and you say you're a martial artist?
	Right.
	So, Chuck Norris, his brother Aaron, and my instructor, who is his best friend, tested me for my blackout in 81.
	So, the stunts that I did more than anything else were martial arts.
	So, that was my...
	When stuntmen asked me, what's your specialty?
	I say martial arts.
	But I also was a very good motorcyclist as well.
	So I guess fight scenes was my...
	Excuse my picking.
	Fight scenes was my...
	Martial arts was my forte.
	So that's what I did.
	Okay.
	Now...
	Sorry, we're getting a bit of an echo here.
	I'm not sure why all of a sudden.
	Okay, so...
	You became a hypnotherapist.
	When did that happen?
	Well, I was about the age of 18-ish, somewhere either at the age of 18 or less than 23, somewhere in that range.
	I don't remember exactly what year it was, but I was exploring the New Age world, doing metaphysical You know, I got into chi, laying on of hands, all the states of consciousness, out-of-body stuff.
	I was into all kinds of stuff back in the day.
	I was exploring the whole New Age world.
	And so I forgot your question.
	What was it again?
	Well, sort of how and why did you get into hypnotherapy?
	Okay, so I was in the midst of doing that.
	There was this place in Houston And so I met Ed Martin.
	He was a hypnotherapist in Houston.
	He had a house up in, I think it was Humble or Conroe, one of the two, up near the Cash Landrum case where that happened.
	He had a house up there at that time, and it's an empty lot right now, but he had a...
	So what he did was...
	He taught you one weekend, like 10 hours a day on Saturday, 10 hours a day on Sunday, and you did that for seven weekends, and you get certified under him.
	And so I did that, plus I did an extra three weekends with him, so I did a total of 10 weekends with him.
	And as part of his certification, you had to do so much hypnotherapy in the real world beyond what he taught you in order to get certified under him.
	And so there was a place called the River Oaks Health Alliance, which is the only, at that time, it was the only federally funded day hospital in the city of Houston.
	And people would go there who had different issues, and they would be like in a hospital during the day, and they would go home at night or wherever they, you know, on the street or whatever at night.
	You couldn't stay there overnight, but they had all kinds of free Things like dream therapy, hypnotherapy, and many other things, modalities that you could get for free through the River Oaks Health Alliance.
	And that's how I, that's the part of what I did that fulfilled the hours for his certification.
	Okay, so you got some clients there, in other words.
	Well, they weren't exactly clients.
	They weren't paying, and I was, they had a A PhD that was running that program.
	So I was working under somebody with a doctorate.
	And so you could do that back in the day without having a degree.
	And at some point they shut it down because they didn't think it was the proper thing to do because I didn't have any degrees or certifications.
	So they actually stopped it.
	But I did that for so many weeks.
	During that time, were you also, you know, in learning hypnotherapy, were you also basically using yourself as a guinea pig at all?
	Did you get regressed, that sort of thing?
	Well, in his class, his class is all, a lot of it is actual practice.
	So you pair up with somebody and And you take them into trance and you regress them, and they do the same for you.
	And you go back and forth.
	And he would also do group sessions where he would do the whole group at once.
	There'd be like 10 people in a circle, and he would take everybody into trance all together and do a group session.
	And after he would bring us out, he would go around the circle and he would ask everybody, what do you want to work on?
	He would do one-on-ones.
	And he would ask that to every single person.
	And keep going around the circle until somebody would say something that if he succeeded, it would actually be a change in that moment where everybody would go, wow, it really works.
	And it would have to be something that would be like physical.
	Like there was a lady, a student of his, like myself, who was in my class, and at the time she had a cold.
	And so he took her, helped her put herself in a trance, and then And 20 minutes, after a very short 20-minute session, he brought her out and he asked her, do you have any cold symptoms?
	And she said, no, they're all gone.
	So basically, he got rid of a cold in 20 minutes.
	But, you know, of course, she still had the virus.
	He didn't, like, magically remove the virus from her body.
	How do I put it?
	When you have an illness, it's not just a bug in your body.
	There's the Your immune system has to drop and something has to happen for your immune system to drop.
	Like with AIDS and HIV. A lot of people get HIV but they never get AIDS because their immune system doesn't drop.
	They have the virus or the bug or whatever you want to call it.
	But they never get HIV because their immune system never drops.
	The immune system has to drop.
	So with a cold If you're like very angry or something and that emotion causes your immune system to drop, that allows the bug that's in you to manifest as a cold.
	Now once you regress to where your subconscious mind lets go of all its attachments to that event that caused your immune system to drop, your immune system comes back up, your symptoms go away, even though you may still have the bug.
	That's actually very true.
	My compliments on having that awareness.
	A lot of people don't realize that.
	In other words, you can decide.
	Basically, it's your emotional life that more often than not lets in the virus, activates it, if you will.
	And that goes for everything that happens to us in some form or fashion.
	So this is a good segue because at some point you got into having attachments, looking at people that have attachments and so on.
	And it also looks like as an IT professional, you were dealing with the Department of Defense and others.
	I don't have my list in front of me, but I can grab it.
	But maybe you can just go into that a bit.
	So can you talk about how you went from being an IT professional, which it seems you still are, if I understand it correctly, and then you made sort of a segue into, I don't know, maybe using hypnotherapy to some degree.
	What would you say?
	How did you...
	Put this thing together where you now are starting, well, I don't know when it started, but you're on shows talking about attachments, seeming to be someone with knowledge in this area.
	And you've written a book, although I don't know what the status is on the book.
	Maybe you can let us know that as well.
	Okay, so a lot of these things you mentioned are not really connected with each other.
	So...
	I don't think everything is connected, so I just have to beg to differ on that matter.
	But all right, start where you can make sense of it.
	Okay, so the stunt work, the IT work, and the hypnotherapy are just three different professions.
	And some people collect baseball cards.
	I collect professions.
	So I'm a videographer, a photographer, an IT professional, martial artist, I used to be a component-level electronic technician, stuntman, and a lot of other things that are not listed, but as far as the IT work goes, I basically learned that on the job.
	I started working with mainframes before the PC was invented, and 41 years ago, I was working on a mainframe when I was in junior high.
	And all I had...
	At that time, schools didn't have computers.
	Neither did the school I was in.
	But it had a dump terminal.
	And so that dump terminal, I could call out on a regular telephone to a mainframe and stick the receiver into the dump terminal.
	And it would start talking like a modem, like a fax does.
	And they would start the handshake and you would...
	Be hooked up to a mainframe.
	And I hacked that mainframe when I was 16.
	I broke into it in like maybe less than a minute.
	And so that's the only thing I ever hacked.
	But I've only worked as an IT professional for a little over 25 years, even though I've been touching computers for 41.
	So my clients include the CIA, the FBI, Defense Security Services who used to control all government clearances.
	Outside of the intelligence community before OPM took it over.
	DISA, that's the Defense Information Systems Agency, that's the IT department for DOD. Library of Congress, Treasury Department, NATO. NATO is my highest-paying client so far.
	I worked in the war room.
	Petraeus' four-star briefing came through the room I was in working for NATO. We had like 30 live drone feeds, and four of those were projected up on a wall.
	Over 100 inches each.
	And my application was in the center of those drone feeds projected up on a wall, very large.
	And Petraeus was getting his four-star briefing through that room I was working in.
	We had Rodriguez, who was running NATO day-to-day activities of the war.
	He worked in that room that I was in.
	And he was over all the NATO generals.
	And it was like him plus 10 other NATO generals in that room that I was working in.
	So how high was your clearance?
	Too high to talk about.
	All right.
	See, these things are very related, okay?
	And you're dealing with dark energy and entities and ETs and attachments.
	These things are all very closely related.
	So you had sort of an above-top-secret clearance.
	Were you a remote viewer at all?
	I've played around with remote viewing, but I've never...
	I haven't done anything paranormal related to the government now.
	I've done remote viewing.
	Me and a guy I know used to play around with it when Dr.
	Doom released his videos when he had his first video out.
	Who are you calling Dr.
	Doom?
	Are you calling Ed Dames?
	Yes.
	How did you just say that?
	How did you know we were going to know who you're talking about?
	Because I just know that you would.
	I know you've been around.
	I've been a fan of yours since your early days.
	Oh, alright.
	Okay, so you're all prepared for me then.
	Okay, so you were playing around with remote viewing with Ed Dames and his group.
	No, no, no.
	Not at all.
	I had a buddy of mine One of my buddies went out and bought his video, and we sat down and played with it just between us.
	It had nothing to do with the government.
	Right.
	So we were just trying it out.
	So I wasn't very good at it.
	I don't know if you've ever tried it, but the first step is just your automatic writing piece.
	You slap the image that's inside an envelope, inside an envelope on the table, and you say the six-digit number or whatever it was on the surface of it, and the other person has his hand on a piece of paper with a pen or pencil, and that person will automatically draw something. and the other person has his hand on a piece It's automatic writing.
	So I did that with a buddy of mine.
	It had nothing to do with the government.
	It was just something we did as private citizens.
	I see.
	It's something.
	But the Army is my biggest customer, ongoing customer.
	Air Force is another customer in the Marine Corps, but my customers include many of the top 50, top 100, top Fortune 500 companies.
	So they must think you're trustworthy.
	Well, considering the clearance I had in the government, I've still got the clearance, by the way.
	All right.
	Well, that's very exciting.
	So, and I'm happy that you would also find my videos of interest.
	Now, you have this very interesting background.
	I've listened to a few of your interviews, and you somehow believe you have attachments, but you have taken other people's word for it, it sounds like.
	So, I'm curious.
	No, not really.
	Okay, explain.
	Go ahead and explain that.
	Explain that, then.
	Uh...
	So, the only reason I talk about other people in relation to my attachment spirits is because that's the easiest way to give you that information.
	If I started talking about it from my own personal perspective, I would never say anything else.
	It's like an everyday thing for me.
	I've had interactions with Disincarnates since before the age of 18.
	I started smoking pot.
	I stayed high morning, noon, and night for 18 years from the age of 16 to the age of 34.
	And that's how I got my attaching spirits.
	But I never took anybody else's word for it.
	I've always known...
	I knew when the attaching spirits were attaching to me at the time that was occurring.
	I could go through, moment by moment, exactly how that happened.
	But, you know, it's not the most interesting...
	Well, then why have you let them be attached?
	Do you like them or what's your situation with that?
	Well, nobody likes demons attached to you.
	It's not something I enjoy.
	It's not very fun at all.
	Okay, so can you explain to me why it is that you allow it?
	I'm assuming that you sound like a pretty talented guy.
	If you didn't want him there, it seems like you could get rid of him.
	Am I wrong?
	Yes, you are.
	Alright, why don't you explain to us then in terms, you don't have to talk about yourself if you'd rather sort of objectify it more, but can you explain to people how do you not...
	You must fight these attaching spirits, but you don't win.
	Is that your premise?
	Well, okay, so I'll give an example of one of the things I've done.
	I went to Iquitos, Peru to drink the ayahuasca, and I was hoping that the shaman could Remove my attaching spirits during those ceremonies, but just the opposite happened.
	It was the closest thing I've ever come to being fully possessed.
	And it was just exactly the opposite of what I expected.
	But that's an example of how it's played out.
	Okay, can I ask you when you went to do that?
	Like, how old were you approximately?
	That was...
	Three or four years ago.
	Oh, so fairly recent.
	Yeah.
	I was working on a job for the military for ITT Systems.
	I can't remember the name of the company.
	ITT Systems became another company, if you can remember what they morphed into another company's name.
	Okay, yeah.
	Sounds familiar, but go ahead.
	Okay, so I was working for them the second time I worked for them, and I've worked in Kabul, Afghanistan several times, and I worked in the old embassy, almost set it on fire one day, literally, and I worked in Uzbekistan,
	and I worked in, that's a K2, I've worked in Fab Farah in Afghanistan, So I've worked at Kabul International Airport.
	There's three different locations in Afghanistan and one in Uzbekistan.
	So when I was coming off of one of those, working for the Army through ITT, basically I was screwed out of the money they owed me.
	And I got, I left, in order to get tax, in order to get $83,000 of money free of taxes, under those circumstances, of money free of taxes, under those circumstances, you have to be out of the country for 275 days of the year.
	And so I missed that mark by 16 days.
	So I had to go back out of the country for 16 days to get that tax break.
	So in order to get that tax break, I went to Iquitos, Peru.
	So I killed three birds with one stone.
	I tried to get an exorcism.
	I drank the ayahuasca, and I got $83,000 worth of money tax-free, all in one visit to Iquitos.
	I almost lost my control of my body and my life.
	So, anyway.
	Okay, so that was about four years ago, you say?
	More or less.
	I'd have to look it up to be exact, but it was over two years ago and less than four years ago.
	Okay, no problem.
	So, all right.
	So, can you tell us what is it that you're trying to tell people about in your book?
	Like, what is your premise?
	Well, I'll just read the title and that'll give you an idea.
	It's Instruments of Control, Attaching Spirits Cause War, Terrorism, Crime, Racism, Murder, Insanity, Mental Illness, Molestation, Marital Discourse, Suicide, and Many Other Illnesses, and Are Leading Humanity to Its Fourth Impending Fall.
	That's a pretty far-reaching statement.
	And it's a fact.
	Okay, fair enough.
	So this is how, you know, let's get back to the fact that your background in the military, working for the military in all these different capacities, basically doing IT, is totally related to war, wouldn't you say?
	Yeah, sure.
	Okay, so let's talk about how do attaching spirits create war?
	Well, the best way to prove that, even in an offhanded sort of way, is there is...
	Do you ever watch the TV show Dead Files?
	The Dead Files?
	It's not called The Dead Files, it's just called Dead Files.
	Amy Allen is the star, she's the psychic, and Steve Chobney, I think.
	I have a hard time for that.
	Are you talking about David Duchovny?
	No.
	Not the X-Files guy.
	No, no.
	The Dead Piles.
	Is this the current...
	His name is Steve Deschiavi.
	Oh, is this the current show?
	It is.
	Oh, okay.
	No, I don't know about it.
	Do you know what network's on?
	Not off the top of my head, I don't know.
	Okay, go ahead.
	Okay, so...
	In 2011, season 6, episode 6, it's called The Dark One, and it's in Abilene, Texas.
	And I'd like to read a quote from it, if you don't mind.
	All right.
	Okay.
	But the Jumanas occupied this land when the Spanish first show up.
	So they were here until probably about early 1700s.
	Early 1700s, planes and patches then come in and displace the largely pedestrian Jumanas.
	Wow.
	I've never heard of Indians displacing each other.
	This was a blood feud.
	So how bloody of a battle are we talking about?
	If you're a fallen warrior, you can expect to have your corpse mutilated.
	They cut off hands, cut off fingers.
	Really, very brutal.
	And then the Apaches are driven out by the Comanches.
	Goes for 100 years.
	So we're talking about the mid-1700s?
	Yeah, all the way into the early 19th century.
	I mean, they fought the Apaches' hammer and tongs.
	I mean, they never gave up biting the Apaches until the very, very end.
	Geez, they scalped people.
	They'd eat liver sometimes.
	If they could make you scream or bet for mercy, that's the ultimate power.
	These guys sound like not somebody you want to mess with, right?
	How did the white settlers wind up dealing with it?
	Well, the settlers were on the losing end for several decades.
	I mean, really, the Comanches ruled the roost out here from about 1770 to about 1870.
	There's a lot of anonymous dying in this part of the world.
	There's a lot of panic.
	This old dude is talking.
	He's like saying, there's all these wars that happen.
	And he's talking about the Native Americans.
	Well, like with the Native Americans, I just see them like fighting.
	And then I just see them dead.
	I see their blood on the ground.
	There's other people later.
	So I keep seeing like different groups of people over time.
	And they're just dead on the ground bleeding.
	So what I'm thinking is that this thing is causing it.
	It's like instigating and fueling it.
	Yes, yes, this is Amy Allen and Steve DiCiavi of the American TV series Dead Files talking about the intertribal warfare of the American Indians caused by disincarnate forces.
	So that's war.
	That's a very, very successful psychic talking about how disincarnates are causing the war.
	Here in the United States between the Indians.
	So that's an example of how disincarnates cause war.
	Alright, so let's talk about potential war with Iran.
	Do you think this is caused by the ETs or the disincarnate entities?
	Or both?
	Well, I was standing outside of a MUFON meeting in Austin, Texas one day, and I was talking to an abductee.
	I'm a contactee, so there is a bit of a difference, but some people don't believe so.
	So anyway, this was contactee versus abductee.
	And I said, you know, this world is controlled by disincarnate forces.
	And she says, no, aliens control this world.
	And I said, no, disincarnates control this world.
	She goes, no, aliens control this world.
	And we went back and forth like little children for like maybe a minute or two minutes or maybe even three minutes.
	And each of us kept saying the same thing over and over.
	Eventually I said, okay, I give up.
	You win.
	Aliens control the world.
	Now guess who controls aliens?
	She goes, who?
	Disincarnate forces.
	I win.
	Okay, so there you have it.
	It doesn't really matter whether it's aliens or disincarnate forces because in the end it's disincarnate forces all the way down to the bottom turtle.
	Okay, now slow down.
	What do you understand a discarnate kind of entity to be?
	Do you have more than one definition for that?
	Well, the easiest way to understand that is to look at the people who've dealt with it.
	So, you know who Shakuntala Modi is, right?
	I'm not sure the pronunciation you have there, so can you say that again?
	Okay.
	Shakuntala Modi.
	Okay, well...
	It sounds a bit familiar, but I think that I wouldn't relate to the way you're saying it.
	But go ahead.
	Are you on my website at the moment?
	No, but I can be.
	Go ahead and go on there.
	All right.
	And while I'm doing that, why don't you give a definition for a discarded entity?
	Okay, so when you get there, there's a bunch of words on the left side of the page.
	They're an alphabetical word from the top to the bottom.
	So when you get to the page, scroll down to the Ds.
	It's like you don't have to go very far down because it's right near the top.
	So when you get to the Ds, click on Demons and Attachments.
	That's the subpage.
	And when you get there, let me know.
	Okay, well, we can play that game, but it'd be a lot faster if you just tell us.
	I'll tell you.
	Okay, so she wrote two books, Remarkable Healings, A Psychiatrist Discovered Unsuspected Roots of Mental and Physical Illness.
	Josia was a psychiatrist for many years and still is, and she realized that hypnotherapy works much better than psychiatry.
	So anybody with half a brain will figure that out.
	So, and if you read her book, Remarkable Healings, basically what that book is, is a series of conversations between her and the attaching spirits.
	In her case, it's all demons.
	So, it's just one conversation after another after another with her and the demons attached to the people she's dealing with.
	Now, that's on one end of the spectrum.
	So, minor demonics.
	So, on the other end of the spectrum, on that same page, you'll see two books, 30 Years Among the Dead and The Gateway of Understanding.
	And they were both written by another psychiatrist called Dr.
	Carl Wicklund, who at one time ran his own insane asylum.
	And he used a Wimshurst machine, which is an electrostatic device, to drive spirits off of humans and into the His wife, who was a psychic medium sort of person, she would be in a trance and he would use the Wimshurst machine, the static electricity, which was like Tesla's coil, extremely high voltage, extremely low amperage.
	The person didn't feel the electricity at all, but the spirit inside them, it would make the spirit very uncomfortable because they would feel like it was fire.
	And They would jump out of the client, who in this case were people who were locked up in insane assault, and they would jump into his wife.
	And if you read his two books, 30 Years Among the Dead and The Gateway of Understanding, the word demon does not appear in either book.
	So in his case, it was 100% humans.
	So on one end of the spectrum, you have people that are dealing with 100% humans.
	On the other end of the spectrum, you have people dealing with All demons.
	Now in the middle, there's a whole bunch of other attachments that are not demonic and they're not human.
	They're just other types of entities.
	So all kinds of entities can attach to people.
	Even aliens can attach to people.
	Okay, so you have all different kinds of entities that attach to humans.
	You can't call them one thing.
	There are many different things.
	There's a whole spectrum.
	Okay, so in terms of your understanding now, I guess we should go back to you were a contactee or are a contactee.
	When did that contact start with ETs?
	On October 3rd, 1980, I had my first close encounter.
	That lasted about one to two hours long in length.
	It was on October 3rd, 1980.
	It was like one block off of the corner of Gessner and Clay, Northwest Houston, Texas.
	I was living at my mother's house at the time.
	I was 18 years of age.
	And I went outside asking the aliens to come and take me away permanently every night for a year.
	They never showed up at all.
	But one night I came home from a party, October 3, 1980.
	I was...
	At a very low mental state, I was considering committing suicide.
	I pulled up in her driveway, parked, turned off the engine, sat there for a very long time.
	And if I tell you this story, it will take a considerable amount of time, but I'll be happy to go through.
	It's up to you.
	Oh, all right.
	Well, so did you want to cut to the chase about, were you, as a contactee, did you see certain entities, aliens?
	Did you go in a ship?
	Can you shorten it because our show is only so long?
	Right.
	So the short of it is I have no memory of ever being abducted.
	Ever.
	So I've never, to my knowledge, I've never been on a crowd.
	So I have a couple of memories of childhood which don't make a lot of sense but don't have any aliens involved unless there were screen memories.
	But I can go through those.
	Those are fairly short.
	But the bottom line is, as far as I know, I'm just a contactee.
	I've never been abducted.
	So I had an opportunity to leave that night.
	And at the last moment, I wanted them to come down near the houses because they and I decided I was going to leave with them.
	But I didn't want to go so far out in this field I walked with this craft paralleling me out into this field, all the way down my mother's street to the end of the street, across the street at T-Bones, into this field.
	The craft kept going, and then it came back in front of me.
	I said, I don't mind going with you, but I want you to come down here now where people can see you, maybe.
	It said, they're not ready yet.
	I said, well, maybe I'm not ready either.
	Then it left in a very, very slow fashion.
	And so that was my first close encounter.
	And after they left, I felt like I'd made a mistake, that I really did want to leave the planet.
	So I was trying to figure out when they would come back.
	So my father owned a Corvette.
	The first fiberglass year that Corvette was out, before the first fiberglass Corvette was ever produced, my father owned one.
	It was a pre-production fiberglass Corvette, and it would be worth a fortune if he still had it and it was a mint condition.
	And so I thought back to that.
	Cops would stop him and give him tickets when he wasn't even speeding just so they could see his vet.
	So I thought about that fact, and I said, well, the Virago 750 had just come out on the market.
	I said, if I go buy that motorcycle...
	And I go park it on Cocoa Beach near the Kennedy Space Center or Cape Canaveral Space Center in Florida just before the first launch.
	Somebody will walk over who has a pass to get on base.
	They'll start asking me questions about my motorcycle and they'll get me onto that base and I'll get to see the aliens.
	They'll come back to see that launch.
	And all that happened.
	And I was going on that base.
	I parked my motorcycle outside the gate, Cape Canaveral, the Kennedy Space Center.
	I parked the motorcycle outside the...
	I parked it on Cocoa Beach.
	The guy came over, started asking me questions, asked me how I was going to see the launch.
	I said, I don't know.
	He said, I got a pass.
	Come with me.
	We'll go on base together, just as I planned.
	So then when we went to see the launch, it was like 5 in the morning, it's pitch dark.
	I parked the motorcycle outside the base gate, get out, get off the bike, go get in the station wagon, and we go on Cape Canaveral Base.
	And I had a feeling to tell this man and his passenger, plus his three little kids, my story.
	About my first close encounter in the long form.
	Every minute of the whole thing.
	I had plenty of time to tell them.
	I told them the whole story from the first moment all the way to the last moment of that first encounter.
	And the moment I uttered the last word, the German kid sitting in the passenger seat in the front laughed at me.
	He didn't believe my story.
	As I was uttering the last word, he just laughed.
	And in my head Ahead, I spoke to God mentally.
	I said, God, I wish you would show them what I saw.
	And within five seconds, I got my wish.
	The craft looking exactly like the one that I saw on my first encounter was there above that base.
	Okay, what did the craft look like?
	A black hole with eight equidistant lights on the edge.
	A black hole?
	With eight equidistant lights on the edge.
	Okay, that's kind of a funny way to refer to a craft.
	So, okay.
	So then, did you see the beings?
	Were you aware of what the beings looked like?
	As far as I'm aware, I've never met the beings that were in either one of those crafts.
	I met other beings over time, but I don't know if they had anything to do with those two crafts.
	So I can't connect the beings I've encountered with those crabs.
	So if you want to fast forward to the beings I've encountered, we can do that.
	Well, no, we can go there, but just to stay with the story here.
	So this encounter is something that you were in communication.
	You said you didn't want to go, then you decided you might want to go, and then you had this experience at Cape Canaveral where they showed up again, is what you said, correct?
	I had my first close encounter.
	I was going to leave.
	I chose not to at the last minute.
	I backed out and they were gracious enough to honor my wish not to leave with them.
	I took off in a very slow manner and afterwards I felt like I had made a mistake Should have gone.
	Right, you've said that part.
	But what I'm trying to figure out is, I thought that you told that story to these people.
	I did.
	And then you asked them that you could show them the story was true.
	And so, in theory, the craft that landed is the same craft that you initially had contact with.
	Is that true?
	No.
	Okay, so first of all, the craft never landed.
	Well, you saw a craft, you dealt with some aliens, and you said it left in a very slow manner, so you must have seen something.
	Yeah, the craft, that's all I saw.
	Okay, so the craft was not the same as the one that came to prove your story?
	Yeah, no, they looked the same.
	They could have been the same.
	They looked identical to each other.
	The only difference between the two craft...
	Was that one was vibrating, the other was not.
	Otherwise, they were identical to each other.
	Okay.
	And the craft looked like a black hole with lights around it.
	Eight equidistant lights.
	Right.
	Okay, interesting.
	Now, but you have no idea what their occupants look like, although you did communicate with them.
	Well, I only communicated with them in the sense that...
	I mentally asked the craft, or the beings in the craft, what do you want?
	Because when I first saw them, I thought I was hallucinating.
	So I turned around.
	I figured they would go away if I did other things.
	So I turned around.
	Actually, I saw the craft in my head, in the middle of my head, before actually seeing it in the sky.
	But I didn't realize it was a craft.
	I just saw the circle of lights turning in my head.
	I didn't say oh that's a alien crap.
	I just saw a circle and I didn't even connect it to an alien crap And it came on inside my head through several times Maybe for about a quarter of a second or less just enough to see movement This happened three times while I was sitting in the car before I actually got out of the car and saw the actual crap And this is when those other people are around?
	No, this was the first encounter.
	Okay, the very first encounter.
	Okay, now the second encounter, which was with the same, more or less the same craft, and they showed up when you asked, you call it God or whoever, for them to show up again, and they showed up again, except you, did those people see any beings or not?
	Or did you ask them?
	No, no, nobody saw any beings.
	There was never any beings associated with the craft.
	It was just the craft.
	I don't know what was in it.
	Nobody ever saw what was in it.
	There was a consciousness because they're talking to you, right?
	You're saying, can I go with you?
	Then you're saying, you don't want to go with them.
	Hold on.
	Let me tell you.
	During the first encounter, I would mentally ask them something.
	The craft would do something To tell me what it wanted, and I would logically deduce from the movements of the craft what they wanted.
	I actually never heard anything or had any direct communication.
	I just deduced logically what the craft did, its movements, to what the beings in it wanted.
	Okay, now are you sure there are beings in it at all?
	Maybe it was an artificially intelligent craft.
	Did that occur to you?
	Yeah, anything's possible.
	Does the yeah mean yes, that occurred to you, or you're just saying in general that's possible?
	No, I'm just saying in general that's possible.
	There are crafts that are seen that all they are is light.
	The whole thing is light.
	So in this case, the whole thing was dark.
	Very interesting.
	Okay, so in terms of alien encounters, Have you ever, you know, you're a hypnotist.
	Do you do self-hypnosis to try to get to the root of things?
	Or have you got friends that hypnotize you?
	Have you ever been regressed, that sort of thing?
	Well, I do self-hypnosis every day of my life.
	But I've never been regressed, ever.
	So I've worked with a number of hypnotherapists, but I've never had anybody successfully regress me.
	Okay, have they successfully hypnotized you?
	Yeah, going into a state of hypnotic trance is about as easy as falling down.
	There's nothing to it.
	Okay, can I ask you, if it's so easy, why didn't you have yourself?
	In other words, don't you have curiosity to find out what really happened in these experiences?
	Let me finish.
	Okay, so getting into a state of trance is...
	It's as simple as it gets.
	Regressing is a different thing altogether.
	They're two different things and because you can do one doesn't necessarily mean you can do the other.
	So just because I can easily go into a state of trance does not mean I can easily get regressed.
	Well, let's say you're in a state of trance and you ask yourself to count backward and see what happened in something in your life.
	Do you do that sort of thing or not?
	Well, what I do is I Just go down as deep as I can go and I just keep going deeper and deeper.
	But what I'm doing is I'm physically relaxing and my mind is following.
	It's getting relaxed also.
	But when you get down to a state where you can regress yourself or be regressed, that's that part of actually going back in time and seeing something in my head.
	That part I've never had anybody succeed with.
	Now, it doesn't mean I haven't tried, it just means it's never succeeded.
	Now, you know who John Shushla is, right?
	No, I'm not sure.
	Uh-uh.
	Okay, so do you know who the current international head of MUFON is?
	Oh, no.
	I'm not a big fan of the organization.
	I forget.
	I've met some people that call themselves heads, but a lot of times they're just state heads, so I'm not sure if I've met the head of the entire organization or not.
	Well, I haven't met the current one, but he's the only one I haven't met.
	Well, actually, that's not true.
	I haven't met him, and I... Anyway, okay, you remember the Cash Landrum case?
	It's familiar, so refresh my memory.
	Okay, so...
	Just very briefly.
	There was two ladies and their son.
	They were in a car somewhere between Conroe and Humboldt, Texas, and driving down the highway, and they saw this diamond-shaped alien craft being followed by a bunch of military helicopters.
	And they had radiation burn...
	And the government came in and replaced a strip of the asphalt that's like a quarter mile long.
	It cost the government, you and I, a fortune to replace that asphalt because they didn't want anybody walking in there with a guy or counter putting next to the highway.
	So anyway, John Schuessler, who was the international head of MUFON, when that case was investigated, Was the official investigator of that case.
	He also investigated my case.
	And he was a shuttle trajectory specialist working for McDonnell Douglas back in the day when the shuttle was flying.
	And he also, according to somebody else I've talked to, did deeper black stuff for the government through other organizations as well, other companies.
	All right.
	And I'm not familiar with that.
	But...
	In any case, he investigated my case, my first two encounters, the ones I've told you about before I had my other closer encounters with the aliens themselves back in the day, about within two or three years when the Cash Landrum case became public.
	Betty Cash and Vicki Landrum sued the federal government publicly and When that became public, he worked with me to take me to a hypnotherapist to regress me within two or three years of that becoming public.
	Probably maybe within a year of that becoming public.
	And so you get kind of a date thing here.
	So anyway, he took me to a hypnotherapist up in Humboldt, Texas, near where that sighting actually occurred.
	And, uh, that hypnotherapist works with cops and FBI agents to get them out of paranoid mind states from being shot at all the time.
	And, uh, she tried to regress me, but I smoked a joint at the time before I went to get regressed, and that was a really stupid thing to do.
	Because marijuana is a stimulant.
	It's not a, not a depressant like, uh, like certain government, uh, people wouldn't have you believe.
	Anyway, um, My heart was beating very fast by the time the lady was trying to regress me, partially because I'd driven way too fast through traffic to get there, and partially because I'd smoked a joint before the event, which was really stupid.
	But because of all that, I was able to go into trance but not get regressed because I just wasn't.
	I've had people take me into trance many times as part of my training as a hypnotherapist to get taken into trance over and over, every Saturday and Sunday, multiple times each day during 10 months.
	So I've been I've hypnotized many, many times, and I've touched myself many times, and there's just nobody's ever succeeding and regressing me.
	That's the catch.
	Okay, so you don't want to go there, basically, it sounds like.
	Well, I'm not going to say that, but I'll just...
	All right.
	Either you or the spirit entities that you think are, to some degree, attachments that you have, do you think they're directing or controlling you in some way?
	Well, they do have influence, but I can't really speak deeply on how much they can interfere with the sessions.
	Let me tell you about my plan for the future.
	Maybe this will give you an idea of how this is all supposed to play out.
	I have this plan and what I want to do is go to a meeting in a room and I'm sitting in a chair and I'm facing a crowd of people.
	They're sitting in their chairs and there's a lot of people, brave souls, who want to find out whether I really have an attaching spirit or not sitting on my head.
	My wife, I put her hand on my head and she could feel my attaching spirit.
	You can feel this vibration sitting on my head, and so can anybody else who puts their hand on my head.
	So, a lot of people are brave souls who want to find out if it's true, whether they really have attaching spirits, and so they want to experience it themselves.
	So the guy at the head of the lion is holding a watch.
	He allows the guy at the head of the lion to go beyond the watch or beyond the head of the lion, come up behind me, stand behind me, stick their left arm out on the left side of my head, When they do that, I reach out, I grab their hand, they relax their arm, close their eyes, and focus on their hand.
	I put their hand on my head where my attaching spirit is sitting at that moment, and they feel or don't feel its energy underneath their hand.
	And then they may react while they're being video recorded on YouTube Live or not.
	And if they do react, they're going to That will all be caught on video and the world will see either live or recorded that somebody does have an attaching spirit and if that happens over and over eventually the world will understand that attaching spirits are real and we'll take it to the next step where we put out a contest to have somebody come up with some technology to see attaching spirits
	because as you may or may not know Right now, a ZeroLux camera using infrared can see live ghosts.
	And so if that's possible, and it is, I've seen it myself with my own eyes live in a ghost hunt.
	And if that's true, then somebody with the big brain can take that technology or something like it And invent, for the right amount of money, $1 million, $5 million, $10 million, invent a similar technology.
	They'll do the same thing for Attaching Spirits.
	And then the third part of the plan is to do another contest for $1 million, $5 million, $10 million, whatever it takes, to have somebody who has the talent to remove Attaching Spirits who can teach it an easily usable technique.
	That any person off the street can use to remove attaching spirits effectively and permanently the first time, every time.
	If somebody has such a technique, they'll get the million or ten million dollars on the segment contest.
	So, at that point, if mankind knows without any doubt that we have attaching spirits, and then after that they can see it, the attaching spirits, just like they can see ghosts live now, and then Somebody comes up with a technique where we can actually remove them.
	Then we can clear the whole planet.
	That's my plan.
	Okay.
	Well, I appreciate that.
	But we already know that there are attaching spirits.
	And we know there are discarnate entities.
	And we know there are aliens.
	And we know there are ghosts.
	And I've seen my fear of a few of those things.
	And I can say that, are you familiar with the Theoric Sight?
	Say it again.
	Etheric sight.
	What is that?
	Okay, what that is, is if you meditate and you activate your kundalini, you know, activating all the chakras, etc., eventually you can develop what's called Etheric sight.
	And I have that.
	And you can see light beings.
	Some people have it, you know, naturally when they're just kids.
	Some people deny it.
	You can also see ghosts.
	Basically, you can see into this ether that we're part of.
	Sort of a different way of looking at the space around you.
	It's easier when the lights are off for you to see this sort of thing.
	The girl that saw my attaching spirit sitting on my head, the first person that saw that one, I had that talent from birth and still has it today.
	You had what?
	The first person to see my attaching spirit that sits on my head.
	The first person that told me she could see my attaching spirit sitting on my head.
	The first one had that talent, what you're talking about, from birth to today.
	That's how she saw my attaching spirit.
	Okay, so fair enough.
	Now, the thing is that you said the discarnate entities, you know, there are lots of levels, you know, avatars.
	In other words, there are positive entities that are also, you could call them discarnate, for lack of a better word.
	It means they don't occupy a body.
	They don't have a body of their own, right?
	Right.
	So...
	Do you appreciate that you might have also guides and are you aware of what they call elementals?
	Okay, so when I was after I did the ayahuasca and I was in a hotel room in Iquitos I was getting ready to leave the city and I had to hang out there for A day or two before my flight out.
	And I was in this room and I heard this, it sounded like one person talking to another.
	And it was in plain English.
	And the one being, whatever it was, said to the other one, yeah, he's still under the influence.
	And they were talking about the ayahuasca.
	And I only heard one of them say that, and that's all I heard.
	So I assume that was some kind of guide, or maybe it was an alien that liked me or something.
	I'm not sure what it was.
	But it was a positive force, whatever it was.
	And so that's one experience I've had along those lines.
	There was a girl I used to know who was into...
	Kriya Yoga, like I used to be, or in other metaphysics, I don't remember exactly how I met her, but she said that when she was in the crib, that she had an angel come to her, and how she knew it was an angel, I have no idea.
	She's like two years old, or one year old, and she said it came to her, it had no wings, but she knew it was an angel.
	Maybe she knew it looking back, but I don't know if she knew it in real time or not.
	That's another example.
	I'm familiar with guides and that sort of thing, to a point.
	In terms of what's going on with you and the book you're writing, have you been told about your past life or have you discovered who you were in your past lives?
	No.
	Nothing?
	Nothing.
	That's interesting.
	Okay, sometimes I can see information on people.
	So it looks to me like you used to be a priest and you used to perform exorcisms.
	And you were also a medical doctor.
	It doesn't make a lot of sense to have somebody tell you what you used to be if you don't know it.
	So it is worthwhile if you have attachments for you to and even if you don't want to be regressed about the attachment you can certainly delve into even through meditation and hypnosis you can go back in time and figure out tap into your own past lives.
	Sure.
	The guy I was sitting in a Jail cell in Portland, Oregon.
	I was meditating.
	I was doing Kriya Yoga.
	I was bowing, going side to side, and coming up and doing the full Kriya Yoga thing.
	When I finished the meditation, I opened my eyes and I looked over at my cellmate who was sitting on the bottom bunk.
	And he looked at me and he said, you know you have a demon sticking its tail in your back, right?
	And I moved my awareness to my back and I could feel a sharp pain there.
	And I could feel the energetic signature of the attaching spirit around the sharp pain.
	And I knew in that moment, having noticed the energetic signature around the pain, That that pain was an attaching spirit.
	I knew he was telling the truth.
	Now, Jason was the guy's name.
	And I worked with him and put him and regressed him.
	I took him down into the coma state.
	And he had his attaching spirit that caused him...
	When he was a kid, he jumped off of a...
	He got up on a slide and he was going to go down the slide.
	Instead of going down the slide, he just jumped off of it and landed on another playground piece of, you know, one of those objects.
	And it messed up his body.
	And he had to go into a coma state in order to survive.
	And that was his attaching spirit influencing him as a child.
	But I regressed him back to...
	His previous lives and he was a exorcist as well and he had a client stake to the ground and he took salt and he put the salt in a circle around the person who was possessed and he sanctified the circle and then he forced the demon out of the person into a crystal ball and When it came out of the person,
	it blew out their stomach.
	It physically blew out their intestines onto the ground.
	And that defiled the ground that was holy before he did that.
	And so when the demon went into the crystal ball, it still had a lot of its power.
	So it exploded the crystal ball and then went into Jason in that lifetime.
	And then...
	After he leaves each lifetime, after he passes on, he goes through the astral plane and on to wherever you go.
	And then when he comes back, the same demon is waiting for him in the astral plane.
	It attaches to him before he gets in his body each lifetime.
	He's had it for four lifetimes.
	Okay.
	Now, do you know who Richard Bartlett is?
	Matrix Energetics?
	The name sounds familiar, but no.
	Well, I interviewed him actually a couple times and he's written a couple books and he's had some very extraordinary experiences and he's healed a lot of people.
	And they do group healing type things where they, you know, also do sort of move through time and back to when a disease, before a disease started, etc, etc.
	And You know, this is a very legitimate guy and his books are fascinating.
	They'd probably be of interest to you.
	So his name is Richard Bartlett.
	You can watch him on my interviews so you can see him in action.
	But I would suggest that you get in touch with him and, you know, he can do a direct healing with you through Skype type thing.
	But I would, you know, I don't think you have to just sort of meander along with With these kinds of attachments and such, you can actually cleanse yourself of them.
	And that's, you know, you'd have to want to, but obviously that's part of the process.
	So just a suggestion.
	Now, in terms of writing a book and saying that war and all these other things are caused by attaching spirits, is this because you have heard a lot of people's stories or Along these lines, that you've come to these conclusions, or is this only through your own experience?
	Well, the stuff that's in the book is a conglomeration of my experiences, things people have told me for their experiences, stuff I've read, all kinds of information they all put together.
	There are...
	Like, uh, you remember, uh, what was his name?
	Uh, Life Between Lives, uh, the guy that was focused on what happens between lifetimes, you know what I'm talking about?
	Yeah, I do.
	Uh, but yeah, I mean, there was actually a lot of people that deal with that, but yeah.
	Well, there was a guy that kind of started before all the other people got involved.
	All right.
	Okay, so when I, back in the day when I had a practice open for a year, And so I work with people as hypnotherapists.
	I've worked with quite a few people.
	And I've succeeded in removing one person's attaching spirit myself.
	And so anyway, that story and the transcripts of a number of other people that are interesting are in the book.
	And my alien encounters...
	That I've told you about and the ones I have not told you about are in the book.
	And there's all kinds of stuff in there.
	It's actually a pretty good book.
	Okay.
	Is it out yet?
	No.
	And I'm not sure it will ever be out, but if you go to the index, you can see, you can go to my homepage and go to the top right-hand corner of the page.
	You'll see my name there, and underneath it, you'll see a big link.
	It's the Very first, top, right?
	Topmost link on the page.
	Okay, well we have a link that we've already sent out around and it's on the page on projectcamelot.tv that does have your link to your index of your book.
	Okay, so if you want to ask me questions about what's in the book, right, even at this moment, you can scan through it and see what's in there.
	Alright, well, now the guy you're talking about is Dr.
	Michael Newton.
	Yeah.
	I confirmed some of his stuff.
	The only thing I didn't like about him is he never would acknowledge that attaching spirits were real.
	And that I thought was a mistake.
	Other than that, I mean, I confirmed some of his stuff to some of my clients.
	I tended to focus on what happens between lifetimes with my clients.
	I would focus on what they needed doing regression to the first event that caused their problems.
	And work with their subconscious mind to let go of their issues.
	And then after I got through with all the stuff I needed to do for their healing, then I would get into what happens between incarnations.
	You know, at the beginning I was doing past life stuff and it was kind of boring.
	And then I started getting into what happens between lifetimes.
	And that's all in my book as well.
	I don't focus much on past lives.
	Okay, what's boring?
	No, I'm curious.
	What's boring about past lives that you found?
	Well, if you regress somebody and you don't direct them to something that has meaning or purpose in their current incarnation, you're just wasting time because you go through a random day.
	It has no meaning.
	However, if you work with your higher self or the subconscious mind or the conscious mind, And you take them to a day in that incarnation that has purpose in their current lifetime, then obviously it's not going to be boring.
	But if you just go to random days...
	Okay, so are you saying that you didn't do that?
	You didn't try to...
	In other words, most people have to pay to be hypnotized and all that, so they come to you with a reason for why they want to be hypnotized, don't they?
	Yes.
	So, in other words, you wouldn't be just doing some random who cares what day.
	You would be actually there doing the regression with a purpose.
	Well, okay.
	So, the way I do regressions, I don't decide whether it's a fast one.
	I just say, I tell the subconscious mind to go back to the first event.
	Now, that first event could be two days earlier.
	It could be in their childhood.
	It could be While they're in the womb, it could be between an incarnation, it could be in a previous lifetime.
	Sure.
	So, I don't tell them where to go.
	I just tell them to go there.
	Okay, now you have been doing this for how long?
	Well, since I was about 18.
	I'm 56, I'm 58.
	Okay.
	So, 15 from 58 is 40 years.
	But I haven't really worked with any clients.
	In a while, so...
	Well, how long is a while?
	Years.
	All right.
	And when you were helping clients, did you assume that you could help them in spite of your own sort of inadequacies or whatever you want to call it or your own sort of stumbling blocks?
	I'm not sure how you view it, so...
	Well...
	Because I understand you helped your wife as well, isn't that true?
	Yeah, in a manner of speaking.
	So I consider myself to be one of the best hypnotherapists in the world.
	So I had quite a bit of success with my clients.
	Now, I never made a living at it, but the clients who did come to me, many of them, if not all of them, had Great success, yes.
	Okay.
	And if you had their testimonials or whatever you call it, in other words, is there a reason why you chose not to make that your sort of life's work and instead you went in the direction of IT? Or, yeah, is there a choice there that you made?
	IT is an easy way to make money.
	Okay, and the other is hard?
	Well, I was never a good businessman.
	So I had a practice open for a year and people came to me and they had success.
	But people don't always necessarily talk about success to other people.
	You know, when you go to a therapist, you don't necessarily want anybody else to know that you even went.
	So, just because you had a successful client doesn't mean they're going to spread the news.
	Well, I can tell you something, okay?
	That the people listening to you, assuming that you actually, you know, are competent at what you do, may be interested in actually using you, your services, because in a sense, you know, you're becoming public at this point.
	And if you have these skill sets, Although some people may be doubtful about, you know, going to somebody who, you know, it's interesting because I see in the chat, we have a chat room associated, and a lot of people don't come forward with their sort of, I'm not sure what you call it, but if you want to call it shortcomings, inadequacies, as the way you do.
	And some people find that off-putting.
	They want you to come across like, okay, you're the expert.
	And you've got it all together because you've been doing your own sort of system for all these years.
	Instead you come across as somebody who is actually, you know, partly broken and kind of groping your own way in the dark.
	Which may be a little closer to honesty than what most so-called experts like to be seen as.
	So I appreciate that.
	I think a lot of people that are listening to this may not appreciate that, but I do.
	So why is it that you are out here talking about this stuff that you think you know something about?
	You seem extremely adept.
	You understand the word adept, and I'm talking about an adept on a spiritual level.
	And yet you kind of have sort of stopped at a certain point.
	So what is this?
	Is this a choice for you to kind of come out and be exhibiting yourself with all your flaws at the same time probing into these mysteries?
	Well, okay, so let me tell you one success story just so you can have an idea of what else is.
	Okay, that would be great.
	Okay, so the very first...
	The person I ever regressed that paid me a dime, okay?
	He wasn't obviously the first person I ever regressed, but he was the first person that ever paid me money.
	He paid me $20, okay?
	And he had per session.
	So he ended up paying me $60 total for three sessions.
	Okay, very sorry.
	I'm just turning that off.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	So, he had a lot of bad encounters with his father.
	So he had this body tension.
	So he came to me to get rid of his body tension.
	And the body tension had to do with abusive experiences he'd experienced with his father.
	Okay?
	So, we had our session, first session, and I couldn't regress it because he just wouldn't go there.
	So I read positive affirmations out of a book, which I was doing at the time.
	I haven't done that in forever.
	I just do it off the top of my head.
	But at that time, I was reading it out of the book that my teacher gave me.
	So I just read positive affirmations to him.
	I didn't get a regression.
	We did that for three sessions, or three or four sessions.
	I don't remember if it was three or four.
	But each time at the end of the session, I would literally walk him out to his car and I would say, please give me some feedback.
	Tell me if it worked.
	I didn't even know if he was going into trance.
	I had no idea, okay, if it worked at all.
	And he wouldn't say a word.
	He was stone silent, right?
	Not even thank you or okay or nothing.
	He would say not a single word.
	He got into his car and he drove off.
	He did that three times.
	And on the fourth time, the last time I saw him, we finished the session.
	I just gave him positive affirmations, no aggression.
	I walked him out to his car, and I said, please give me some feedback.
	He said, I feel better about life than I've ever felt in my entire life, even though I'm still unemployed.
	He got in his car, he drove off, I never saw him.
	So, I was never able to do a regression, but yet I turned his whole life around with four sessions and no regression.
	Fair enough.
	Okay, so I guess, you know, I'm not going to keep you for that much longer and, you know, it's been fascinating to talk to you.
	I think that people are getting quite a, you know, picture of what it is you have to offer and your website is quite extensive so people can go there for more information, no doubt.
	And I do hope you complete your book.
	It is.
	It's completed.
	Oh, I hope you publish it then.
	Thank you.
	And I'm I have a book.
	I'm talking to a publisher in case you're interested.
	Maybe I could let him know about your book.
	But anyway, you can write to me if you're interested on that.
	Can I say one other thing?
	Sure.
	I've had two people edit my book so far.
	One, his name is Jimmy Holman.
	He claims to be the world's foremost rife technologist in the whole world.
	He claims he wrote the algorithms for the heart device.
	Him and his father.
	That's very excellent.
	Yeah.
	The Rife.
	Okay, this is Royal Rife, right?
	I've used the Rife machine.
	So have you...
	He's a friend of yours then?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Continue.
	So he's an abductee also, but he'll never talk about it publicly.
	All right.
	So...
	He is one of the editors.
	He was the first editor.
	The second editor wrote the world's most voluminous book on herbs ever written.
	These two gentlemen are the people who edited my book so far.
	I started working on it right after I had my first close encounter, the one I told you about.
	I finished it Last year.
	So it's ready to go.
	It could always be improved, but it's got a lot of information in there that you're not going to find anywhere else.
	My one abductee client that I worked with who uses a breeder for the Grays, she had 55 offspring, 72 encounters, 24 implantations, 24 checkups, 24 removals, 48 abductions, and She learned more about the grades than anybody who's ever lived, probably, by now.
	Very psychically talented woman, and her story is in the transcripts from those four sessions I had of her.
	She worked with a very famous hypnotherapist and UFO investigator that you know, and he didn't get squat out of her.
	Oh, and who is that?
	David Jacobs?
	Daryl Sims.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah.
	Well, Daryl's a pretty smart guy.
	He's a master of hypnotherapists.
	Yeah, well, and what do you mean by he didn't get squat out of her?
	What do you mean by that?
	What I mean is she knew about 24 of her encounters before I met her, and she got the rest of them through me.
	Oh, I see.
	So she paid me for back pain and obesity.
	And she released over 3,800 events in one session, which I didn't even think was possible.
	My teacher taught me that was not possible, but it happened.
	That's another success story of mine.
	And so that was her first session.
	Nothing to do with A-Hands.
	Well, I can tell you the one reason that she would get nowhere with Daryl Sims is the Grays probably wouldn't allow her.
	Because, you know, he's an E.T. hunter.
	You know that?
	Yes, I have met him.
	Well, I have too, and I can tell you...
	Did he show you his implant?
	I've had him on my show.
	Did he show you his box of implants?
	No, I never, you know, he didn't come, he didn't have that sort of thing with him.
	I met him at conferences and such.
	Yeah, well, when I met him, he was at a Hufan meeting.
	I went to Hufan meetings for a year with those guys, and I went to breakfast with him and Dr.
	Lear, and even though I've never met Dr.
	Lear, I had breakfast with him, but I never met him.
	And there was like 16 of us, and Daryl was there and Roger Lear was there.
	And, uh, so anyway, uh, he opened his, we were in a room.
	He opened his box of implants and showed them to me.
	And he explained, uh, some things about them.
	And then after he stopped talking to me, one of Bigelow's people walked over and said, well, said hello to me.
	And I told him about the lady I just told you about.
	And he immediately ran away.
	And, uh, So, you know.
	Well, this woman that you're talking about, you know, that's not so unusual, I have to say, knowing the way the greys operate.
	It's not.
	It's not.
	Yeah.
	Is she out on the circuit talking about it or not?
	No, she doesn't want to be associated with anything to do with aliens.
	I asked her, do you want to remain anonymous or do you want your name...
	She said, anonymous.
	And I said, how come?
	She said, well, I do not want my fellow humans dissecting me.
	It's okay if the greys do it, but not the humans.
	Well, the greys, she was freaking out on their crap while she was Velcroed to a table.
	But she would get out of her head and she would get into their heads and make them move their heads and do things and stuff.
	Things that you wouldn't think humans could do.
	But she's always had a talent to get out of her body and From before birth to the present.
	And she has other psychic talents as well.
	Well, that's great.
	You know, I think that's just great.
	But I've seen Greys are, sometimes they're kind of stupid, so I can appreciate that she could do this kind of thing.
	So, well, it's too bad.
	If she ever wants to come forward, be sure to let her know that I'd be happy to talk to her and she could also, you know, Just use her voice and no name and all this kind of thing.
	But, you know, the powers that be, if she's, you know, no point, at this point she would be hiding from humans, regular humans, but she would not be hidden from, you know, the secret space program from the people that are dealing with the Greys and know the treaty violations that they're involved in and so on and so forth.
	So she's probably a very well-known entity to them.
	I was mind screwed in a facility in Manassas, Virginia.
	We'll have to get into that in the future.
	But that was probably done by the breakaway civilization.
	I've never believed in it.
	I've always doubted all those stories.
	You're kidding.
	With your background?
	I'm just saying what happened.
	You know, I just didn't believe in those stories.
	I mean, I just never resonate with it.
	I was skeptical when it comes to aliens before I ever had my first encounter.
	Well, maybe you're just a skeptic to start out with.
	But at this point, it sounds like it's kind of late in the game, so it's kind of...
	I would think that you'd be a lot more sort of read in at this point.
	Now, let me ask you something.
	Are you a lot more psychic than you allow yourself to be, if you understand the question?
	Well, I've never downplayed my psychic talents.
	I just...
	I mean, I had a guy one time, I used to hang out with a guy who to this day believes he's Jesus Christ.
	His best friend also believes he's Jesus Christ.
	Right, sure.
	Really, these kind of people write to me on a daily basis, not daily, but you know, at least once a month I get crazy people writing to me, all this kind of stuff.
	Well, let me give you a hint here.
	So we were taking an acid trip together, he and I, and We were standing outside the History and Science Museum in Houston, Texas.
	We were about 30 foot, 40 foot from the building.
	And he looks back at me and he disappears.
	And then he reappears on the other side of his girlfriend.
	And he looks back at me and gives me this big grin.
	And then he disappears again and reappears where he first was.
	The guy's not an average Joe.
	He's definitely a bit of an unusual person.
	So, you know, you could say he's crazy, but his best friend is the one who taught me about Chi the first time before anybody else was ever even into that sort of thing.
	Okay, well, you know, being able to appear or disappear also has to do with altering the other person's mind.
	You know that?
	Maybe.
	All right.
	Well, let me just suggest that to you.
	So, not to say that there isn't the ability to also do that, to basically, you know, it's a form of teleportation, if you want to call it that.
	So that's also, you know, people have all kinds of gifts.
	I mean, that's what the X-Men movies are all about.
	Have you ever seen a person float off the ground?
	Yeah, and I think I have myself, you know.
	I mean, I don't think, I'm not impressed by, you know, those kind of bells and whistles.
	Cities, cities.
	Yeah, this is what yogis have done these things through the centuries.
	But, you know, regular people have it happen.
	I have a friend of mine who, I have a situation where I was supposed to have fallen off a trail, off a cliff, and I didn't.
	So as far as I know, I must have just walked on, or I had help.
	You know, it depends how you want to classify it, right?
	I have a friend who had an automobile accident where he, you know, something, and actually Richard Bartlett had a similar thing.
	So there, you know, if you have life-death experiences, you will basically transcend this time-space continuum.
	And go, you know, interdimensional or whatever you want to call it.
	Well, I was racing a guy on a motorcycle.
	One of my best friends had no helmet on.
	I was on the top of the levee road going 75, 80 miles an hour and flew off the top of that levee road and landed on the top of my head.
	I was in a coma for three days.
	I should buy all rights we did.
	All right.
	And I have a friend who their back was broken on a stage and they were told they'd never walk again and they walked out of the hospital.
	Yeah.
	And the rest of their life they walked.
	So, you know, this is the kind of thing.
	I mean, never believe regular doctors anyway.
	They have no idea what they're doing, in my opinion.
	But this is not, you know, we do not have medical degrees and I have a medical disclaimer on my show here.
	So, anyway.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so, well, it's very nice to talk to you, like I said, and is there any parting words you want to say to my audience?
	And actually, I don't know, let's see if the audience has any questions.
	Do you want to answer a question or two from the audience?
	Sure.
	Okay, and then we'll close this down.
	So, okay, who's going to be the lucky people?
	One or two questions in all caps.
	Anything?
	And if you missed some of this interview, then you can listen to it when we close it down and it'll be on YouTube for the rest of the, I don't know, from now until eternity until they close down my station, you know, my channel.
	So you haven't lost anything.
	Anybody got a question?
	Who was your teacher?
	There's a question.
	Ed Mark.
	Okay.
	Ed Martin.
	And Ed Martin, is this a different guy than we talked about in the beginning?
	Yeah, he has to be a different guy than the stunt guy, right?
	No.
	When he said my teacher, I assume he meant hypnotherapy teacher.
	Alright, so Ed Martin.
	Alright.
	And is this person known or not?
	Yeah, he's known.
	He used to be in Houston.
	He moved up north somewhere, but just to do a Google search for Ed Martin, in quotes, and then...
	Hypnotherapy and Cell Command Therapy is one of his deals.
	Okay, and one more question.
	It looks like this person wants to know if you believe in Jesus.
	You were asked the same thing on another show, so go ahead.
	I don't know, these people are really...
	Well, there's never been a person alive whose last name was Christ, I can tell you that.
	But whether Jesus lived or not, my views on that, I'll leave that up to your speculation.
	I don't answer that question publicly, so I'll just leave that to your imagination.
	Okay, and I'm going to allow for this one last question because it's a good one.
	Do you believe you're a walk-in?
	No.
	Okay.
	And you've heard that before.
	You understand about that, right?
	Yeah, of course.
	We'll have to get into some of my childhood experiences.
	We haven't talked about my close encounters with aliens.
	Well, I would like to, but we're running low on time here.
	Why don't you do this, just as a teaser.
	What races of ETs have you met?
	If you can just rattle them off.
	Don't give me an explanation.
	Just say, you know, this, this, this, this, and this.
	Uh...
	I have no idea.
	All I know is one...
	There was a bunch of ladies in bikinis.
	That's the teaser.
	Oh, that's on another...
	Well, that's on another show.
	Okay, they can listen to your other interviews.
	I actually linked all your other interviews at the bottom of the page on ProjectHamlet.tv so people can...
	Can listen to that.
	It's in your first interview, by the way.
	And it's a fun story.
	Okay, so they looked human.
	I recall that you said in a lot of the interviews that a lot of the ETs you've seen look human.
	Okay, so that was just one encounter, but the free report says most alien encounters, the vast majority, look exactly like us.
	That's their report.
	They claim the same thing.
	Well, wait, whose report are we talking about?
	The free report.
	The what report?
	Foundation for...
	I don't know what it stands for.
	All right.
	One of the astronauts was involved with an organization called FREE. I see.
	And if you go look it up...
	Well, it doesn't sound like they're experts.
	Well, they just claim that they're...
	Well, it's not...
	You know, really seriously, how many Earth-like planets have scientists decided that they discovered?
	I believe they might have even said billions, but we can at least say millions.
	So I don't think that those particular people in that organization can possibly categorize millions upon millions because they haven't met them or seen them or, you know, have confirmation, have they?
	What they did was they gave a survey to people.
	Whoopi, a survey.
	Abductees, contactees, experiencers.
	Right.
	This was those people's knowledge.
	Well, good for them.
	All right.
	Well, Clifford Stone thought there was 57 visiting ETs.
	That was just visiting at the time.
	And when he was talking about it, this was...
	Well, at least 10 years ago and probably more.
	They're not saying that these other ones aren't doing it.
	No, but they're saying that most of them are human.
	That's an assumption.
	No, no.
	What they're saying is that the people they gave the survey to said, we saw beings that looked like humans.
	Yeah.
	And if you were an ET and you came to this planet, especially if you were gray, what would you try to look like?
	You try to look like a human or a Nordic.
	I'll tell you right off the bat.
	I'm not saying they're humans.
	I'm saying they look like you.
	Yeah, I hear you.
	So I'm just saying, you know, I'm just messing with you a little bit here, but I'm also messing with the people listening.
	You know, just don't take things for granted.
	That's all.
	I just think you have to, you know, be a little critical of, you know, organizations that think they give surveys and, you know, like MUFON. It's just Run by the CIA behind the scenes and all kinds of stuff going on out there.
	I can tell you about that too.
	You can?
	Sure.
	Well, okay.
	Go ahead.
	One day.
	One day.
	All right.
	We're going to have you back on the show.
	You're a lot of fun.
	So I think it'd be great to hear more from you.
	And like I said, I can help you with at least one kind of a publisher in case you're interested.
	So write to me if you are.
	All right.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	So thank you very much.
	You're welcome.
	Take care.
	Have a good day.
	Bye-bye.
	All right.
	Bye-bye.
	Okay.
	So that is, let's see, Charles Michael Beaver is his last name.
	God, he must have had a lot of jokes when he was a kid over that last name.
	So everyone, thank you for listening and watching.
	And as always, it's great to have a good, awake and aware audience.
	Let me say for the people that can't handle the fact that this individual is honest about himself and talking about himself in ways that most people don't, you shouldn't just write him off.
	And I think there's hope.
	When a person is willing to come forward in such an honest way.
	And this is a world full of mysteries.
	No one has the answers to everything.
	And we want to keep investigating all of the mysteries out there, all of the so-called conspiracies, and discover who we really are, all the multidimensional selves that we are.
	And those are simply the faces of the creator, if you want to look at it like that.
	So, take care.
	Have a good weekend.
	At the moment, it looks like I'm not doing another show this week, but you never know because tomorrow's Friday, so anything could happen.
	All right.
	Take care and have a good night.

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