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April 8, 2019 - Project Camelot

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NICK BEGICH RE CONTROLLING THE HUMAN MIND

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	Thank you.
	Hi, everyone. everyone.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy to be here today.
	I have a fascinating guest, Dr.
	Nick Begich, and he is the well-known author of Angels Don't Play This Harp.
	And that was many years ago.
	And we're having him back on the show to get an update on what he's been doing all these years.
	And he has a new book out called Controlling the Human Mind.
	So we're going to kind of...
	I guess zero in on that and what I'm gonna do right here is bring Nick on this on the screen and then Take a look at his bio here that I have have on my website and for those of you that are Interested it is it is on my website so you can find the the bio there and it it's really from his website so Nick say hi to everyone and Hi, it's nice to be with you.
	Thank you for having me on, and I'm sure we'll have a fascinating show today.
	Thank you.
	Very good.
	So, let's see where we go here.
	Now, you are the eldest son of the late congressman from Alaska, Nick Begich Sr., and a political activist, Peggy Begich.
	Let's see.
	You are well known in Alaska for your political activities.
	You were twice elected president of the Alaska Federation for Teachers and Anchorage Council of Education.
	You've been pursuing independent research in the sciences and politics for most of your adult life.
	And you have a doctor in medicine, alternative medicine.
	And I did work in health and political science from the Open International University for Contemporary Medicines in Colombo, Sri Lanka.
	And that must have been fascinating living there.
	And then you obviously wrote or co-wrote the book Angels Don't Play This Harp and advances in Tesla technology.
	And this particular book that we're focusing in on here is, again, Controlling the Human Mind, Technologies of Political Control, or Tools for Peak Performance.
	And you have articles in science, politics, education.
	You're a well-known lecturer in the United States and 19 countries.
	And there's a lot more here.
	It looks like you've been on the BBC, CBC, Telemundo.
	And aren't you co-subbing on the Alex Jones radio network right now?
	Right, right.
	I do work with Alex.
	In fact, I've worked with Alex 23, 24 years now, as long as he's been involved in broadcasting.
	You know, I've worked with Several hundred producers over the years.
	And so every other week, I actually take the fourth hour on Fridays and cover the topics that I want to cover.
	It's a great opportunity to reach a really incredible audience, quite frankly.
	Okay, well, you know, I had no idea that you were doing that.
	I guess that just means I'm not a constant viewer of Alex, but I do appreciate his work, and actually more so now than when he...
	since he's gotten kicked off YouTube, because he seems to be pushing the envelope a little further, which is a little bit more down my alley, if you want to call it that.
	And so I do want to say kudos to Alex, because...
	It takes a lot of courage to come out and talk about what, you know, is the basically ET visitation and a lot of the secrets that are out there.
	And he has been sticking to his guns, so to speak.
	And I appreciate that in anybody.
	And he's been under a huge amount of attack.
	So it's great to know that you're sort of on his team.
	Do you want to talk a little bit more about that, how you kind of got into being on Alex's team?
	Since now, I didn't realize that that was a common...
	I thought perhaps this was a relatively new thing.
	I didn't know you were hosting on there.
	Is this a new thing?
	Yeah, I started hosting, I think, about a year ago on that hour.
	And, you know, we had talked for...
	Quite a while, really, of working closer together.
	Really before all of this latest round of controversy started, Alex was going through a pretty rough period of time through his divorce, and I know people on air all know about that.
	And I went down.
	I hadn't met him in person.
	I worked with him since he first started.
	And I always thought he was a lot older.
	It was really a surprise when I met him in person.
	Because when I first knew him, he's always had that deep voice.
	He was producing public access television in the various communities.
	And that's how he started.
	And he was somebody who...
	It was taking on, you know, some really fringe ideas.
	And that's really kind of where the envelope was always pushed with Alex.
	But I appreciate that, you know.
	And sometimes you're wrong.
	I mean, that's for sure.
	But most of the time, you're not.
	And if you look at 25 years of history, Alex's history now...
	He's been right.
	And so when he was in the biggest kind of turmoil in the public, coming at him in a lot of different ways in the media and a lot of hostile ways, I decided to go down and spend a week.
	So I flew down there and we did a week of work and conversation with his team.
	And then I went back in December.
	I was back down and I'm headed back down in April for, in fact, in the next couple of weeks.
	And The thing about it is it's about alternative ideas.
	It always has been.
	And you have to push the envelope.
	And here's the thing.
	Now they're beating people up for whatever they're saying.
	And yet...
	That's the one thing that needs to happen.
	You know, if anything does happen, maintaining the right of access to the town square, which is the internet and media and all of those channels through it, YouTube, Google, Facebook, all of these places are the modern town square.
	So everyone should have equal access and shouldn't be throttled down and shouldn't be manipulated in unfair ways.
	It's a public utility.
	And it should be treated as such.
	And if it means it's gotten too big and too monopolistic or too, you know, whatever, then deal with that.
	But in terms of free speech, you know, if you say the wrong thing, There are certain things you can't say that are illegal, like you can't libel and slander people.
	In public figures, there's a higher standard.
	It's called malicious intent to defame, which is a little higher standard.
	But you can't do that without repercussions.
	And so those are the repercussions for speaking words.
	But beyond that are yelling fire in a movie theater people.
	You know, people need to be able to say what they want even when others are offended.
	And I believe in that.
	I believe in that fundamentally in my own personal life, my family.
	Most of my family are Democrats.
	I'm an independent.
	My son is Republican and has been since he was a young kid, you know.
	And the others are independents or Democrats or libertarians.
	I'm registered libertarian currently.
	But, you know, When we get together, we have huge debates, just the same as you see on the national scene.
	In my family, I've got a brother who was a U.S. senator and a mayor and another brother who's a state senator.
	We've all been around this.
	My sisters are in education at a pretty high level and are retiring from those careers.
	Three generations of political activity at state, national, international levels, you see the world a little differently.
	Alex, yeah, he says some controversial things, but out of a 25-year period, you can count the ones that have brought him so-called notoriety on one hand, number one, and number two, a lot of that that I've seen in how the media characterizes him and what he's done is untrue, just flat-out untrue.
	And the challenge in sorting it out, because most of the media...
	I would call fake news, editorializing, filling up the cable channels.
	I turned all that off years ago.
	I also work and have worked with George Norrie and Back to the Art Bell Days.
	I've done over 80 programs on coast over the years.
	I've worked with 200 radio and television producers all over the world.
	And done over 4,000 radio broadcasts.
	Wow.
	I had no idea that you were...
	I had no idea you were so prolific.
	But in a lot of areas.
	And what I know is this is what it's about, having a conversation that elevates people's dialogue in a way that leads us somewhere.
	And what's become identity politics in a way of dividing people and hacking people up and inflaming people That needs to really be looked at from my perspective because where's all that anger and divisiveness really coming from and what purpose does it serve?
	It doesn't cure anything.
	The debate does and if we're focused on solutions that does and that means we have to change the way we look at each other fundamentally and this is what I say and Alex's Network provides an opportunity, per se, to a lot of people that I think need to hear it, and it's to say this.
	If you perceive yourself created in the image and likeness of God, then behave that way.
	I mean, act that way.
	If you believe you're divine and your base nature as a spiritual being occupying a physical carrier called body, then you should behave that way towards one another.
	Whether you agree with what is coming out Of the mouth of that person or not.
	And that's not about tolerance.
	Because I look at tolerance as a sort of an anger directed internally at yourself.
	Because what you're really doing is shutting down your truth for some politically correct reason or other reason.
	And so that denies truth.
	I don't think that's a good thing.
	But what I do think is respectful to dialogue requires listening.
	Carefully to that divine human being talking to you to understand how they got there.
	Most people don't get there by no logic.
	They get there by whatever their scaffolding is against them.
	So get the handle on that.
	Know what their scaffolding is and you'll learn two things.
	What you're missing or what they're missing.
	Now you have a conversation that actually can maybe go somewhere.
	And that's what we've lost in the identity sort of politics and the identity politics as it applies to everything cultural as well.
	Religious, cultural, political, whatever can divide people.
	Sure.
	Well, what do you say to the people that say that Alex talks about everything, but he doesn't talk about Israel?
	Do you feel that there is any kind of block over there, you know, whether intended or unintended?
	No, I don't think so.
	Not that I've ever perceived working with the team.
	He's got a great team.
	No, I don't think so.
	I don't know.
	I mean, out of a million issues, here's where I default on.
	Okay, he's not talking about that one.
	Well, okay, that's a pretty complicated issue.
	There's a lot of experts who think they know something about that one.
	Let them talk about it.
	I don't think he's an expert on Israeli and Palestinian affairs, and I don't think he'd claim to be it.
	Okay, well, what about Zionism?
	You know, the involvement, for example, of, you know, and that's not what this interview is about, but I am curious now that you mention it, you know, there have been so many people that are sort of curious, at the very least, and others are actually, you know, kind of slamming Alex on this issue.
	You must know that, right?
	This is common knowledge, right?
	You know, I hear all kinds of things about all kinds of people.
	And you know what?
	My position on it is one, is I'm not here to pass judgment.
	That's God's program, not mine.
	I'm here to do one thing, and that's to speak my truth as it relates to what I see in the world and what I've learned in 25 years of doing this particular work and a whole body of knowledge and a lot of networks of friends that come from really different backgrounds.
	In fact, if you put them all in the same room, they might not all cooperate.
	Well, hopefully they wouldn't.
	You know, I mean, but wouldn't you say...
	I mean, we're talking about thinking critically.
	We're not really talking about anything other than that.
	And I think it is, you know...
	It's a preoccupation with some sort of groups, let's say.
	And certainly, for example, I'll just throw out Veterans Today.
	Veterans Today does sort of bang a drum regarding the Zionist infiltration into American politics, for example.
	I see that as a conjunct of basically what is, in essence, I believe...
	Rule from the Anunnaki behind the scenes.
	And there are some very interesting evidence along those lines.
	You may not be aware of that, but it is quite fascinating.
	Now, you know, I travel the world and so I have been to Israel several times and I spend time in the Middle East.
	In fact, I'm about to leave and take a tour to Egypt in a few days.
	But, you know, so I have actually, you know, sat at a table and Talking to Palestinians, Israelis, Egyptians, all in the same kind of room and situation.
	The people on the ground get along.
	That's always very interesting.
	You know, if you get away from officials, you know, people, even strangely, you know, I've had some very strange experiences.
	And now there is, you know, always sort of a karmic and a soul connection to experiences you have.
	But, for example, and saying this on the air probably isn't a great idea, but back in the day, in the early days, when I first went to Egypt, I was actually invited behind the scenes in the airport to sit around and talk.
	to the Egyptian guards and airport personnel just because I don't know.
	They never came across American like me or something like that.
	I don't even know, you know, or they just had a good vibe.
	They didn't speak a lot of English.
	I didn't speak a lot of Egyptian, if any.
	But we talked, you know, and it was a fascinating thing.
	I had the same thing in, I think I was in Jericho, where I sat around and talked to Palestinians and, you know, Israelis.
	And these were people on the ground and they were just stressing, you know, hey, We are just people.
	We get along.
	We can talk to each other.
	It's the people on top, the people in power who can't talk to each other.
	Right.
	That's always the case.
	I have a really dear friend.
	He was raised by his grandfather in Egypt, actually.
	His name is Ashraf.
	He was the prime minister at that time in Egypt.
	And this is like a guy who reads ancient Egyptian and has gone through the whole story, came to the U.S. He's been here most of his life.
	He does translations to a lot of other things.
	But as a professional, he was a dentist his whole career.
	And Ash is almost like 80 now.
	And he went back to Egypt.
	You know, recently compared to, you know, the span of time that he was gone and the disappointment, too, and how it's changed.
	You know, and so much of the Middle East has changed.
	Well, in some cases, for the better.
	But it hasn't changed because of the average person.
	Sorry.
	The changes aren't the average person.
	It truly is leadership across not just the Middle East, but across the world.
	You know, in fact, that's what you're seeing also happening.
	Played out in a lot of places.
	You know, you see a lot of disruption in terms of within a culture.
	But when you're in these countries, what you generally see is the same external forces pushing on things, just making it fit that cultural context a little better so that you can create the same kind of outcomes.
	And some of it becomes then the sort of the counterbalances, the spontaneous sort of rebellion against that, which is what you run into when you actually meet people on the ground.
	Because that's where...
	Divinity meets divinity in terms of our creation.
	We talk to each other on that level.
	It's a whole different deal.
	And I think that's true wherever, at least it's my experience, wherever I've gone.
	And like Russia being made the villain in the last few years, right?
	And what was the actual charge?
	They hacked the DNC's servers, right?
	That was the whole deal.
	And kind of what I thought about that is, well, what came out of that?
	Well, it came out that the DNC was rigged, like everybody was saying.
	Well, I think that's a good thing to get out.
	And to point the finger at Russia and say somehow that's unexpected is naive when we're doing it to every country in the world in half for the last 50 years, including our national leaders of our allies.
	So, you know, What are we, stupid?
	I mean, the public isn't stupid.
	When you've got someone like Alex who points these kinds of things out, it disrupts sort of the dialogue that's being thrust through the media as the latest parroting point for the editorial news.
	When you look at, I mean, go look at the Rogan piece, right?
	When they had their big debate.
	If you haven't seen that with Alex, it's a great piece, like five hours long.
	Yeah, no, I agree.
	I think it's great.
	You know, it's great radio or whatever you want to call it.
	Yeah, and it's a dialogue, and as he hits all these controversial points on the video feed, you get the exhibits.
	Here's the evidence of it.
	It's not ridiculous at all.
	It sounds ridiculous when you hear it out of context, like a lot of subject matter, and that's why It's like, if you look at the books I've written in the past, everything's footnoted really heavily.
	So there's thousands of footnotes of where that stuff comes from.
	And none of it was conversations in the phone booth.
	They're all academic studies, main media reports, you know, things that you can go touch, government records, whatever.
	And Alex did the same thing with most of it.
	Sometimes he gets right to the edge and goes over the edge like anyone doing decent work will.
	Because if you're just running the mundane status quo, you're just another parrot for whatever's press release coming across your desk.
	Real investigation is a whole other matter.
	And I think that's what's missing.
	I mean, when you think about...
	When I think about the Palestinian, Israeli, whole mass in the Middle East, my personal view is we shouldn't be in the Middle East at all.
	Period.
	Let them sort out their problems.
	Because it's not our problems, it's their problems.
	They're sovereign people within their sovereign boundaries and whether or not they have a right to rebellion and they have a right to revolution just like we did 225, 30 years ago and went through a couple of aftermaths, you know, with the British burning the White House in the early 1800s and a few other things.
	But, you know, we did that, okay, because we decided we didn't like what we had.
	Now, self-determining people might have theocracies, democracies, democratic republics, parliamentarian forms of government, communism, dictatorships, all manner of configuration, or kleptocracies, you know, or technocracies, like what the U.S. is becoming, or, you know, whatever.
	But the consent of the people ultimately decides, and that's exampled through either an electoral process or a revolution or a little of each, depending on how corrupt your election process becomes.
	And so that's what you see played out across everybody's culture around the world right now.
	Nothing's changed, and we are interfering.
	The U.S. is interfering.
	I appreciate that, yes.
	U.S. is certainly interfering, but I think it works both ways, especially in terms of...
	As Israel, specifically, simply because the British and the US have been heavily involved, really partnering with Israel in many ways.
	I mean, Trump even recently signed a deal to kind of cement that partnership, if you will.
	No.
	And so, but let's kind of move on from there and thank you for all of that because, you know, it's great for people to hear kind of where you stand and hear some answers to some of the questions that I think have been in the public mind, certainly once somebody hears that you're affiliated with Alex.
	And I've seen a couple of your broadcasts and you're doing a great job.
	So what I want to do is talk about your new book, why you wrote it, why you really focused on this particular aspect, and what are you hoping to achieve by writing a book on that subject?
	I'll tell you, on the mind effects, mind control topic, when I published the material, and it's really been a while, I mean, it was primarily because I believe, and I still do, in fact, I would affirm it even more so now, that The domain and the challenge for this century will be right here.
	It'll be for our minds, our thoughts.
	Even PBS had a special on the worldwide mind, which is the next level of the internet, the idea of linking everyone's consciousness to your minds.
	Now, they think that's possible within 100 years.
	I think that's way too long of a timeline.
	It's much shorter than that.
	The things that, when you start to think about that, I think we already actually have that.
	You know, that's the way consciousness actually is connected.
	The problem is remembering it.
	And so, when I wrote the book, Controlling the Human Mind, there were two sort of aspects.
	One was sort of the sinister tracing of government activity in the area of mind control.
	And going back even to some of the more innocent approaches that turned into that, okay?
	And then the other side of that that usually comes out, and people talk about this kind of stuff, victims of Manchurian cancer, all this kind of stuff.
	I don't get involved in those issues.
	The reason I don't is because I don't have time to store all that out for every individual that rings my phone.
	And secondly is it's impossible to sort it out from that angle.
	But the technology really exists.
	And then you look at the other side is what have we learned about the mind and the brain and the physical component and then consciousness as it connects to that and as it manifests in form and what do we know about all that?
	And so that's the area of biophysics which is And I've had the opportunity to know and work with one particular biophysicist, Alexander Kavarenit, who was the former head of the USSR Academy of Sciences Directorate of Biophysics.
	For the last 10 years, there was one.
	He spent six weeks with me in Alaska in my home.
	What he started his career was on seeing a display of psychic display when he was in his teens.
	When I knew him, he was in his 60s.
	He spent his life Figuring that out, the mathematics for that.
	And he presented it in a conference when I was working for the Lay Institute.
	It was a closed conference.
	It wasn't released to the public.
	But it was the mathematics in front of Ben Eastland, the inventor of HAARP, Elizabeth Rauscher, one of the most brilliant female physicists.
	Anyone can look her up.
	Annu McKaylee sits on the board for medical laser regulation in Russia and owns an institute in Finland.
	I mean, a Garth Nicholson, the guy who broke the story on Gulf War Syndrome, was one of our members of that group.
	It was on the mind effects issue.
	We had this panel configured when I was working as a PD for the Lay Institute.
	And getting around that issue, what it boiled down to was a mathematical formula.
	There were physicists who were going, wow, it's pretty amazing.
	And the root of that formula, base mathematics, which blew everyone's mind, was it was based on the phi ratio.
	Based on sort of living geometry, which is kind of interesting.
	And then how the formula goes out in the physics of that was beyond my ability in math.
	But the guys in the room got it.
	And the point is, what physics is discovering is what the mystics and religious teachers have been telling us.
	And it's unexplained physics is what it boils down to.
	And we're gaining to a certain extent.
	And then there's really consciousness that Isn't that godlike?
	Whatever our perception of that might be.
	And that's kind of limited by the bandwidth under which we perceive.
	And think about this from a spiritual sense and a biophysical sense.
	You occupy bandwidth through your senses, right?
	So your sense of touch is, you know, you got so many nerve endings and you're picking up heat and you're picking up Pressure and different kinds of sensations you carry.
	So you've got bandwidth there.
	The visual bandwidth.
	Certain species can see ultraviolet and infrared.
	We can't.
	Doesn't mean it doesn't.
	You can't see it.
	Sound waves.
	We hear between 150 cycles per second and maybe at the high end 24,000 cycles per second.
	But a dolphin hears up to a quarter of a million cycles per second.
	And an elephant hears down to a couple cycles per second.
	Okay, based on its ability to perceive bandwidth in the hearing range, sound range.
	So bandwidth, visual, all of it, all this is bandwidth.
	Well, what they discovered in the mind control stuff that became really interesting to me was that the bandwidth that they call anomalous human potentials Which is what used to be termed ESP, extrasensory perception.
	And then there's sort of things that show up there.
	You know, there's telepathy, which I know of physicists who did the paper on this and actually developed an apparatus where they took people in separate rooms, you know, electronic device, one monitoring, one sending a signal.
	And then they use the psychic cards, you know, triangles, squares, circles.
	And they use 10 test subjects.
	In a random deal with 10 test subjects and 100% accuracy.
	Knowing what those cards were by being able to transfer between brains.
	That's artificial.
	This happens naturally also.
	And this is where the big discoveries were.
	But in order to reach these states of awareness, certain things have to be For instance, if you live in a state of anxiety or stress or fear, you can't reach higher states of awareness, actually.
	And if you look at an EEG, you'll see it.
	It's impossible.
	It's one of those things.
	Part of the carrier's limitations and bandwidth.
	You can't have that kind of interference.
	So...
	Well, actually, I mean, there is a threshold where actually, you know, this is where you get into the Illuminati treatment of children and even themselves.
	In terms of torture and other things that actually force one to go out of body and to get into higher states in order, really, for self-preservation.
	So a person can fragment, but they can also go into a higher place.
	It depends on the soul development of the individual being affected.
	So, I agree with you to a point, but there is a, you know, you can kickstart and go above that level.
	And pain, I mean, there are certain stimuli.
	Pain, pleasure, you know, extreme pain, extreme pleasure.
	Can again stimulate, you're probably familiar with Kundalini or Oregon and all of that.
	Absolutely.
	All those things can.
	Yeah, this can be kick-started by things that normally might keep you, as you say, in the box, unable to go into that higher state.
	I'll give you some examples.
	Trauma.
	All of us experience trauma of different kinds within our living experience.
	And those are actually The greatest opportunity is if you can translate it correctly.
	And those who have overcome any kind of trauma will tell you that.
	If they've overcome it, not spiral down into the darkness of where trauma can take you.
	It does take too many.
	But trauma, I experienced trauma at a young age.
	My dad disappeared on a plane.
	Disappeared off the face of the earth as a congressman with the majority of the U.S. House when I was 14.
	Never recovered a thing, right?
	Okay?
	Wow.
	So trauma, you know, when I look at that at the same time, it was the biggest traumatic event that ever happened to me at the same time.
	It's the greatest gift my father ever gave me because it transformed me.
	Because I then made different choices immediately about what life was, what it meant.
	In a fundamental way.
	And so trauma does that.
	Absolutely.
	I'll give you an example where a guy, a really good friend of mine, unfortunately deceased, but he achieved a state where he knew what people thought.
	Telepathy at a really pure level.
	I'll tell you his story because it's a good story.
	It's talking about mind control because this is what everyone can do if we can remember it.
	We can either remember it or we can go through trauma and get it because we need it.
	And CID has the counterbalance of what Being played out in the world is a lot of trauma, which drives the counterbalance.
	Well, you'll see more of this manifest, actually.
	And in his case, it was long-term girlfriend in high school.
	We've been with her forever.
	And abruptly after high school, she ended the relationship.
	So that was his trauma.
	So I run into him on the street, and I hadn't seen him in a while, and he tells me this story, and he asks me what I'm up to.
	You know, I tell him at that time, I was 19.
	This was a long time ago.
	I'm 60 now.
	And he says, I said, I've been reading this in parapsychology, blah, blah, blah.
	So we had this conversation.
	And he goes, ah, I got to tell you this.
	He goes, I know what people think.
	And I went, okay, right.
	Okay, great.
	And at that time, I just read Ostrander and Schroeder's Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain, which came out in the early 70s, if you'll remember.
	And then there's been a revision one to that.
	But when I'm talking to him, he says, yeah.
	So we sat down, we talked for a while, and he goes, picture anything in your mind, anything at all.
	Okay.
	I saw it holding an image and he goes, it's a calendar.
	November 10th, 1958 is circled.
	That's your birthday.
	And there's a winter scene and here's what's in it.
	He names the whole thing, you know, and I'm going, okay, the odds of this are like totally impossible.
	This is a random event.
	There's no way you can do this statistically.
	So we have a long conversation.
	What happened to him is he had that event occur.
	That night, and I asked him, I said, so what happened?
	You know, he had this trauma, what happened?
	He goes, well, I had this really weird experience.
	I said, okay, well, tell him about it.
	He had an out-of-body OBE. Well, I had read enough at that stage of my life to know, okay, this is clearly, okay, this is a coping mechanism for the unexpected.
	You're not ever going to be unexpected again.
	His coping mechanism is, you have this capacity, because I believe this is how we actually do communicate.
	And now he has it, right?
	So...
	After that, he'd go into, like, parties or things with his friends.
	We were in our 20s at that point in life.
	And he couldn't be there with a lot of these people because he knew all these hidden thoughts, right?
	And it's really a curse from his perspective.
	I didn't see him then for several years.
	The next time I saw him, he was working in a preschool with children.
	Which, if you think about it, if you have this curse...
	Because I believe that the day that every human being has that awakening, this is Judgment Day.
	Because we'll be hard on ourselves, or forgiving, and we'll be forgiving for others also, or not.
	You know?
	That's Judgment Day, in my view, in terms of a spiritual awakening.
	And we have that capacity, and one day that will happen.
	It will happen artificially, through the worldwide mind, with things imposed on us.
	Or we'll find our path to our own liberation as creative living souls.
	Or not.
	Yeah, I have to agree.
	There's no doubt about it.
	And I, I mean, I can on occasion do the same thing.
	And I believe every, every person out there can.
	And it, you know, we are actually, I think, the internet is like a manifestation of the universal mind, the Jungian concept of that.
	And so if you think about that, eventually, we won't need an internet, we will be the internet.
	And this is actually where it's going.
	So, you know, it's natural.
	Our minds are linked.
	Our consciousness is linked.
	I mean, how else could we be You know, if you want to call it one with the creator, ultimately, that indicates that a oneness indicates a linkage.
	So the linkage is there.
	It's with other beings, other consciousnesses, on and off planet, and so on.
	So this is where knowing the truth is.
	Everyone wants to know the truth, in theory, at the moment.
	And this is where you really can go with it.
	So yeah, I mean, no doubt about it.
	I totally agree.
	You're focusing your book.
	Can you tell people, you know, who might want to pick up your book, like, where do you go with all of this?
	Kind of, I see you're going kind of in a, in other words, you're looking at controlling the human mind is not necessarily from the negative point of view.
	You didn't, I don't know, but it sounds like you didn't delve into the MKUltra and the whole, you know.
	It's all in there.
	The first half of the book deals with all of it.
	From the very beginning, from the Estabrooks work and the hypnotherapy labs of Harvard University all the way forward.
	It's the most comprehensive, focused set of references you'll ever see on that earlier subject.
	And the other half of the book is about, you know, what do we know?
	What can we do?
	And it's about some of the tools.
	You know, and you can, you know, like for instance, when I talk about fear and anxiety, one of the simplest ways to kind of get out of that loop, turn off your cable network.
	I'm serious.
	It's not necessary.
	And then pick two news feeds that you want to go to.
	Two or three.
	That's it.
	But don't let it suck your life into the electronic world of make-believe.
	Pick one that you kind of gravitate to naturally and then pick one that's the opposite of that.
	So you kind of get...
	So you know what's really going on in the world instead of just your own tunnel vision, which is too much of us habituate that way.
	We need broader view of our inputs so we can make at least an understanding of what other divine beings are arguing with us about, you know, at least go in with it.
	Knowledge and then apply a little wisdom to it.
	Maybe we get somewhere in the world.
	When we talk about trauma, I think the world imposes trauma on itself to bring about the changes that you and I are talking about.
	Because, unfortunately, there's two routes to the finish line.
	Most people choose negative input if you look around the world.
	You look around your neighborhood, you look around your town.
	That's the saddest part of it, I think.
	Because The trajectory doesn't have to be so brutal, you know, I mean, as I see it.
	And it's not about tolerance, it's about acceptance, which is a different kind of thing.
	Tolerance, acceptance is saying, okay, you know, the world is as it is and certain people are going to be the way they are, but I don't have to pass the judgment on that.
	I can let that go.
	I can change the channel.
	I can turn it off.
	I agree.
	And now what about the notion of being in a multidimensional reality and how that affects how one views reality here on Earth in this sort of, if you will, temporary time-space continuum?
	Because if you never step outside that idea, in other words, step back and view as much as you are capable of at any given time from all different perspectives, a more holistic way of looking at things, going interdimensional, going into, you know, Higher dimensions and looking at this from there.
	Yeah, the physics bears it all out.
	In fact, a lot of the earlier experiments, and they dealt with psychedelics, and they dealt with, which is kind of like induced trauma, right?
	I mean, that's what it really is.
	You create an abstract scenario you're not used to dealing with on your normal level.
	Or bliss, induced bliss, because, you know, LSD can give you bliss.
	Yeah, a lot of things reported all across the line.
	And it's basically you dealing with you on some other level is what it boils down to.
	Most of the altered states are about that.
	You know, it's you revisiting you and discovering more about you and then projecting it outward.
	So trauma-weather induced, and there's a lot of vile people, like what you were referring to earlier, what these people do in abusing other human beings for The power that they think they're deriving from that.
	But what gets lost in a lot of this, this is again where, like right now with Alex, again, going back to Alex, this is not about Alex Jones, what's going on with Alex.
	It's about free speech.
	It's about the free exchange of ideas.
	It's the ability of you and I to be able to even have this conversation.
	No one should impede our ability to have this conversation or any other conversation.
	In fact...
	My hope is that whatever I do in the world stimulates a bunch of conversations.
	I don't hope or expect everyone to agree with me.
	That would be ridiculous.
	But what I do hope is that people will start looking again and asking questions and getting more into solutions and the mind control stuff because, you know, this is the century of the brain, but I would say consciousness goes beyond the brain and beyond the carrier.
	And this is what...
	The science bears out.
	You know, it's not theoretical model.
	You know, this is like the shortest stop between interviews, you know, multidimensional.
	Time-space only exists in this reality.
	It doesn't exist in all the other ones that science has discovered.
	And the esoteric is talked about for as long as my minds have been able to see it.
	And I think this is what people are talking about today that I find a little bit disheartening is People talk about it as it's evolutionary, you know, that we grow into it somehow.
	And see, I don't believe that.
	I think it's remembering.
	It's the opposite of that.
	We already have, you know, you're standing it.
	You're already there.
	I agree.
	Yeah, I think that's great.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	When you think about the mind, its constraints are what we think limits the possibilities.
	That's why telepathy doesn't work for everybody, right?
	Because most people go, I can't do that.
	You're right.
	They're right.
	Always right.
	Okay, but those that experience something that takes them into a place where it's self-protection, preservation, like you said, okay, now you get it.
	Well, that's where the world is right now, ladies and gentlemen.
	Here's how I say it sometimes.
	I say if you lived in Mumbai, right, which used to be Bombay, you'd swear Armageddon was happening every dang day.
	Right?
	Because it's a horrible place if you're poor, to be really poor, right?
	But in the West, we have an experience like this, you know, as a regular thing.
	And most people live in 25 miles of their cubicle at work.
	So, you know, being able to explore the world in one way, we're more limited than we ever were before in terms of understanding the world, even though we plug in and look at anything.
	But it's the being there, like you say, when you meet people.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	All the propaganda goes away.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Yeah, and I wish, actually along those lines, you know, that what I notice, especially in whatever you want to call it, sort of the alternative ufology and that sort of a limiting term, but looking at the secret space program, looking at things that have to do with...
	Really a radical vision of the future of the world, let's say.
	What I find is that a lot of colleagues of mine will not talk to each other.
	So you won't get a dialogue because the people are afraid of being shown up or exposed in some way of having an area of knowledge that they don't have or being called out on something that they might have I mean,
	it's really interesting that dialogues don't seem to be able to happen among peers in a lot of the alternative sectors, and people are afraid.
	They are afraid to have that dialogue.
	Isn't that the saddest story of all, too, right?
	Yeah, and I think that's wrong.
	We're talking about the liberal left that is tolerant of everything and everyone, but they can't even talk to each other and have the dignity of that conversation.
	And this is it, okay, from my perspective.
	Where these political parties and these labels are meaningless.
	You ask me why I work with Alex Jones.
	I work with every human being that wants to disrupt this existing status quo.
	You know?
	They're respectful enough to apologize when they make errors.
	And I'll tell you something else.
	When I was in studio with Alex and there was some controversy that he had...
	Screwed up on it.
	He had screwed up on it.
	And for five minutes, I heard him speak a retraction.
	Now, I've never heard a five-minute retraction on any CNN, Fox News, CBS, NBC, ABC, when they've been dead wrong from Iran, contra to the Vietnam War, the bombing of Cambodia.
	You know, and on and on and on through our history.
	And it is the guy on the edge, the reporter on the edge, whether it's arts, science, business, politics, archaeology, anthropology, geology.
	I don't care what area of human endeavor.
	It has been the guy on the edge.
	And that's what needs to be preserved, not stomped out.
	That's what makes human beings human.
	And being respectful is what needs to be reclaimed.
	And I look at the left and I look at what they do and how they manifest.
	And I look at the right in their most extreme and how they manifest.
	And this is not who the majority of the world is.
	But this is what you would think if you only paid attention to the mainstream media.
	And it's not.
	I find as much truth projected through people's experience in all political persuasions, manifesting differently with good intent and good heart.
	What I don't respect is when the anger and fear comes into it.
	And, you know, everyone screws this up, all right, at different times in our lives and we kind of sort out How do we really communicate and make change?
	A lot of it is internal work.
	A lot of people think it ends at 18 or 21 or 32 or whatever the magic number is.
	I would say this.
	You know it as well as I do.
	It ends when they're shoveling the last shovel on you.
	Then you get to do it somewhere else.
	You're done here.
	Do your thing here.
	Suspend a little bit of judgment.
	Let God sort that out.
	Be respectful of each other in the dialogue we have and let's evolve solutions from our remembering what the heck we are fundamentally.
	Let's evolve solutions to these messy problems and not be so fearful in the dry because here's how the fear is generated.
	All the ads you see about deodorant, you know, or whatever, drugs, whatever, Do they make you feel comfortable and safe and wonderful and fuzzy?
	No, they generate anxiety at some level.
	All the news feeds you get, they're generating anxiety at some level.
	So automatically, higher states of awareness are shut down and you're not going there.
	You're not going there.
	So you have to pull away from it a little bit.
	Just enough to reset your programming.
	Because here's how it comes at you.
	Especially in advertising.
	Advertising isn't random anymore.
	A signal can be manipulated in such a way that within 20 seconds create a frequency following response.
	I talk about this in the book.
	And what it is, is that your brain will lock onto this external signal and fall into this trance-like state and then the feed comes in.
	And then your spouse is yelling, dinner, dinner, dinner, and you're in trance.
	That's where you are in a trance.
	You are being programmed.
	You are not watching a program anymore.
	Right.
	Absolutely.
	Whatever the social message is in the show or the ad or the news feed is part of your program.
	As long as it doesn't conflict too abruptly with who you are, you'll just suck it in.
	That's why it works today.
	And this is not regulated.
	And everyone who takes advanced psychology classes learns about frequency following response.
	If they're in any kind of master's level program, if they're in any kind of program that's worth a damn.
	And this is the reality of it.
	And so now you have technology.
	Any electromagnetic carrier.
	When I think about information warfare, any electromagnetic carrier.
	Whether it be radio, television, the electrical grid can be modulated in such a way as to influence behaviors.
	And the greater the bandwidth becomes for, here's how it goes.
	Higher resolution is a combination of computing speeds and density.
	The denser it gets.
	So now we can look at the external signals coming off of the human mind at a distance, be able to measure those in a way that allows us at a distance to interpret with higher and higher resolution, like focusing in as our technology improves, because our technology every nine months doubles from the invention of the wheel to where we are right now.
	Okay, well, let's look at 5G then.
	Have you looked at that and certainly the interaction with HAARP and directed energy weapons and all of that?
	Because the controlling of the mind and doing all of this, advertising is one outlet, certainly.
	But it's a lot bigger than that.
	It comes from satellites at this point.
	I mean, it's coming at us from many angles, from the fluorescent lights that surround you, the LED streetlights.
	You know, it just goes...
	You can really...
	There's a whole...
	Our water, our food, our...
	And you have to basically take back your power in all of these areas to, as much as possible, to put yourself in a certain altered state.
	That is going to allow you to overcome and transcend in some cases and and we are creator beings and so ultimately I believe that we're going to transcend these limitations and that I see You know, opportunity and the challenge.
	But I am curious where you go with this, having studied, well, HAARP for so long and Tesla technologies.
	How do you look at this rollout of 5G, also this kind of war between US and China, and what type of 5G you're going to get?
	Right.
	Well, all of it, you know, when you think about millimeter waves, the wavelengths that are involved in these various technologies, and these have been studied by the University of Washington and the institutes all over the world.
	And there's a great study, and it was on the bioethics of all this.
	It was like 25 positions in Europe.
	It's a bio-initiative.
	People can look it up online.
	It's been updated a couple of times since it was first released in 2012.
	The last update was 2017.
	But it's a comprehensive look at the bandwidth that we're exposed to and what it does to us.
	5G is another version of bad news.
	All of it, cumulatively, is now a billion times more RF, radio frequency, including the microwave bandwidth, surrounds all of us compared a billion times more than nature had around us before we invented all these technologies a little over 100 years ago.
	The effects are obvious.
	Because what these various signals do is, depending on their wavelength and their pulse rate and their form, they couple with various chemicals and compounds and elements and body organs and physical forms, depending on their wavelength and where you get resonance effects, which is what all of Tesla's work is about, is oscillating electromagnetic fields.
	Or understood fields and other fields as well.
	But that's what his whole deal was about.
	That's what all of it ultimately is about, and that's what physics tells us that's what it all is.
	A bunch of oscillating fields and wave fronts interacting that we perceive through this perception vehicle we call a body as physical matter.
	And that's really the truth of it.
	And see, here's what triggers all those higher levels of consciousness also.
	As you gain the truth of what you are, your anxiety drops, your fear drops.
	You can also learn technique.
	And that's what a lot of the tools for transformation are about.
	And that's like, you can use light and sound devices, which I talked about in the book.
	And this is where you can use the fact that your optic nerve will pick up a pulse rate of light and your brain will train to it.
	So you can move your consciousness.
	You can create my oral beat with the same instruments.
	Then you can voice in, you can jack in your own voice with your own subliminals, which is the most powerful of all because you trust yourself more than anyone on a subconscious and a conscious level.
	And you can put your brain in that theta state where you absorb really rapidly and you can do things.
	You know, you can accelerate learning, you can do relaxation, meditation, you know, things that matter to you, but you're in control of technology.
	So there's these kinds of things.
	You look at laser acupuncture or laser acupuncture, electro acupuncture or needling acupuncture, any of them, they're all about moving bioelectric energy fields that you can actually measure.
	There's a device that's mentioned in the book that actually probes all those points.
	When you get the skin resistance differential, you know that you're on the point.
	And all that's doing is measuring skin resistance.
	And then you can push a signal in.
	You can actually send that electricity in if you know what you're doing.
	Yeah, it's similar to the Rife machine, actually.
	Yeah, I mean, all these are based on the same principle, right machine, based on a specific frequency response relative to your physiology.
	And there's the work of Anu Mikaela in Finland through her institute, and you can look online.
	Hers is EMRED, EM, like for electromagnetic, RED.FI for Finland.
	And she's like, her dad was one of my mentors in this whole area.
	Early on when I first met him.
	She's carried this work on.
	I mean, he would be so proud of her.
	He's now deceased, but she's got a training institute there.
	They fought the authorities in Finland over all of this when her dad was alive and went to their highest court and actually prevailed against the equivalent of RAMA, American Medical Association.
	So they've created an institute to train people on electrolasor methods of acupuncture that they pioneered in that part of the world.
	Right, wonderful.
	But he is a biophysicist also.
	You know, in fact, he studied in the same institute as Delgado.
	Delgado was part of that whole mind control crowd at Yale University in the 60s.
	And he was measuring and looking at the brain activity.
	And this is also mentioned in the book.
	What he determined is that you could...
	By the 80s, he didn't need any implants or anything.
	That's what he was doing in the 60s.
	By the 80s, he figured out that you only had to oscillate electromagnetic fields in a certain way.
	You can manipulate people's behavior.
	Same way.
	And then Persinger in the 90s demonstrated this in the lab using solenoids.
	He was able to stimulate all kinds of bizarre things from out-of-body UFO encounters, all kinds of things.
	So, yeah, and thank you for all of that.
	But, you know, just in terms to get back to my initial question, I think people will want to know, are you, in other words, are you sort of joining the campaign to raise awareness about what 5G is capable of doing so that cities do ban it?
	Or are you in a different sort of category where you don't think...
	Fighting it is going to really solve the problem.
	I mean, where are you at with that?
	Because I see a very strong link up with creating a platform for AI and AI dominance of the planet.
	And I don't know whether you've gone into AI or considered that.
	So that's kind of like a two-sided question.
	Well, you know, I have followed that, both from the alternative perspective, but also in the journals, particularly MIT's Technology Review and Foreign Affairs, which is a trilateral commission's sort of newsletter on what they're thinking.
	And, you know, AI... He is really going to play.
	This is, again, you know, it creates the trauma, creates the drama, and provides the opportunity for change.
	So, well, you think about this.
	Now, computers will never be absolutely perfect, you know, in terms of programming and all of it.
	But the thing about AI is when they self-program now, the programming is so complex we can't figure it out.
	So it's already out of control at this stage when you think about self-programming.
	But AI in terms of what it's going to do to the world, I mean, again, what's the counterbalance to that?
	This is what we're talking about.
	This is where I'm spending my time.
	I can go take on any symptom of this root problem.
	I'm not doing it anymore.
	I've done it for 25 years.
	I've written five books on technology.
	They're in 10 languages that lay the matrix out there of what's coming in terms of a technocracy, which is what we have.
	But to change a technocracy requires a change in human beings' perception of each other, and then a re-change in how we direct what we are against this beast.
	Because the thing that was discovered in these mind-control programs wasn't all the crap that gets reported and sensationalized.
	It was this.
	Every single living soul has the ability to manifest the gifts of the spirit.
	At a level equal to a Christ, and even Christ said it himself, greater things ye shall do also.
	Sure.
	And if you have the faith, the belief, you can move mountains.
	And that's the truth of the matter.
	And that truth has been expressed over millenniums.
	In lots of different ways by a lot of different speakers and people should pay attention to remembering what we are.
	Because when we do, that's the counterbalance for all this crap that I've been reporting on for 25 years.
	Heart, mind control, 5G, cell phones.
	I can show you Explore Magazine article on cell phone safety from 1998.
	And you read about the stuff in the mainstream today as if it was brand new news.
	You know, the fact is...
	The trends and the effect of the trends we wrote about, Controlling the Human Mind, is my newest, it is indeed the newest book, and it is 14 years old today.
	14 years.
	Now, I've done a lot of speaking and a lot of things in that 14 years, but the thing I'm publishing now is about what we're talking about.
	And it's philosophy and poetry and a way of seeing the world.
	And another one is the practical solutions for problems that we're seeing in the world that are being exacerbated by mostly propaganda for political purposes that are unaligned with human purposes.
	But the dialogue and the tenor of it is driving the crisis, which also drives the potential.
	And this is what Sort of the evil side of this equation is fearful of.
	Because if transparency truly existed, there would be a lot of people not in jail, they would be under the jail, or, and I would suggest this as the alternative, or you have to do a South Africa did and come to a point of reconciliation, forgiveness, which is a very high human attribute, one of the highest of all.
	You know, right up there with love, you know.
	And so to do that, like they did, which was to get over, you know, I mean, some pretty horrible, brutal things.
	And it was through confession, through admission.
	You got to come forward and admit, and then you were pardoned.
	If you didn't admit and you got identified later, you went to prison.
	And that's what we need in the West and in the world.
	Fair enough.
	Is to burn the corruption.
	Yeah, there is a much higher level to all of this.
	So, in other words, your sort of trajectory at the moment, your focus is, it's on dealing with the artificial intelligence, the incoming sort of explosion.
	It's really an explosion on our planet.
	And I don't know, do you subscribe to the, if you want to call it that, to the fact that, you know, that there are many E.T., versions out there and that they are bringing in some of them AI. I have a witness above top secret witness that says that any culture,
	any civilization that is spacefaring will create an AI which is an interesting statement and worth thinking about.
	That makes sense to me.
	Think about the universe.
	Think about what we know and how many And for us to be so arrogant, to think we're it?
	I mean, come on.
	What are the odds?
	What are the statistical odds of that?
	Sure.
	They're impossible.
	So, you know, that's the big question.
	The next question is, can you get from here to there?
	Now, if we think about it from time-space continuums like we do, because that's what we're at in our evolution, the answer is no.
	If you think about it from a multiverse perspective, which over here on the shelf I can give you some really good titles on the multiverse, one in particular from Elizabeth Rauscher and how that works.
	But when you think about that and the idea of some of the theories of folding space, you know, where all of a sudden you're there before you left, you know, kind of thing.
	These concepts are what physics is teaching us, what we're learning about.
	So does someone figure it out in the billions of years?
	And talking about billions of years, you know, human beings, they say for like 6,500 years we went from cavemen to what we are today.
	And if you really believe that, because I personally don't, I think we've done this cycle a bunch of times on this planet and cataclysmically, and if we really pay attention to the research, we would know this, and we would be talking about this.
	So, you know, how it all happens, how it's all woven together is, I think there's so much more untrue in the world, so much fake everything in the world, from food to the news to the politicians to It's too much.
	Transparency is what required.
	And the fear in all this is that there's this bigger thing than all these little pictures of the universe that so many have held.
	Collapse.
	Will that be a disaster?
	Well, maybe it will.
	Maybe it won't.
	You know, I think truth is never a disaster.
	I'm in favor of truth first, and hopefully we see more disclosure.
	We see more good evidence come forward.
	We see governments start creating whistleblower mechanisms to protect people that come forward with real protections that maybe independent groups do this.
	Because whenever anyone steps forward to oppose the powerful, I can tell you from three generations in government In my family, around the world, that you die for it.
	And this is how it goes.
	Okay, well, along those lines, I mean, what can you say, have you seen a UFO, for example?
	Has your family seen UFOs?
	No.
	No, I have no experience in this at all.
	And actually, I spoke at the UFO Congress, I think, six or seven times under their older regime before taking over the guys that run it these days.
	And I never spoke on UFOs, some of my area of expertise.
	I don't know anything about it.
	I've met all the experts, some brilliant people.
	I've seen piles of evidence.
	Those were like week-long conferences, if you well know.
	And you get to meet all the guys and how all these things run.
	And, you know, I think there's...
	I mean, I think the majority of people acknowledge now this has got to be a reality.
	Now, what is...
	Now, this is something I have contemplated, you know, and I think a lot of it, not all of it, a lot of it is military demonstrating their own potentials and using this as the cover story, which...
	Because I found the regulations and the shit where that actually happens, right?
	When I think about...
	Thinking about the military generally in terms of how they approach all of that, so much has been hidden.
	It breaks out every once in a while.
	Particularly in the paranormal areas, you know, all of this, you know, you get little squirts showing up every once in a while.
	Right.
	Well, for example, have you yourself done any remote viewing?
	Have you studied many things?
	I don't know.
	Have you ever dabbled in trying to learn that?
	Look, no, not remote viewing.
	I've had a couple of experiences, OBEs, that were pretty profound.
	I've had a few other experiences that were pretty profound in terms of telepathy that I haven't talked about today.
	I've had a lot of experiences, quite frankly, with a lot of very brilliant people and some very...
	I would call them the hidden monks.
	You'd never know them in a million years.
	They're some of the most interesting, actually.
	But what I would say about all of it is...
	The UFO experience, for instance, because you're dealing with the edge of what people know in terms of the multiverse and how that might actually be happening and what might be happening and how these systems work together because we're right on the edge of some technologies.
	Superconductivity, anti-gravity, we probably already have them actually in the world.
	Many people believe they already exist.
	Is it ET technology or is it ability to use your consciousness and plug in to the record of all knowledge, which I believe is out there, consciousness itself, and to create?
	So a lot of people want to give a lot of credit to externals.
	Well, maybe they are deserving of that credit.
	Maybe they're not.
	You know, maybe life gets spontaneously created throughout the universe by something bigger than some ET from outer space.
	Now, do I disbelieve in any of that?
	Not at all.
	Have I had direct experience?
	Not at all with that dimension of it.
	What I do know, absolutely, from my own experience, is we are way more than we think as human beings and that we've had lots of opportunities to discover that.
	And I could envision reaching certain steps in technology where we become destructive to ourselves and therefore consciousnesses.
	Where there might be an intervention.
	And we may have interpreted these interventions over millennium in lots of different ways, which become our religious traditions, perhaps.
	Perhaps.
	But it definitely is out-of-worldly.
	I think everyone in every religious tradition would agree.
	However you want to characterize that.
	And that I do believe.
	And I think most of the planet, if they're awake at all, get that one.
	You know?
	For sure.
	When I think about all of it, in terms of, again, disruptive thinking, that's why I always participate in those forums.
	A lot of people would criticize me for it.
	One week I went from testifying at the European Parliament in the same week to doing the UFO Congress.
	I was kind of humored by it because I'm in these two extreme polar opposites for most perspectives, but not for mine.
	I'm with people interested in the truth.
	In a couple different areas.
	I'm curious.
	Absolutely.
	Do you know Tom Bearden?
	I never, unfortunately, met him.
	I read some of his work, but I never had the opportunity to meet him in person, nor did I ever speak with him by phone, but I did look at a lot of the research he'd done over here.
	Okay, so recently I heard from an above top secret witness that HAARP has been dismantled and that we were directed, our military was directed to do this, and so was Russia, by an AI. And it's quite an outlandish statement.
	It's probably provable one way or another.
	It's not true.
	The facility is operating.
	It's operated by the University of Alaska Geophysical Institute.
	It's no longer operated by the military directly.
	They contract the use of the facility for their programs through the Geophysical Institute today.
	And it's easy to look up.
	People can look up Geophysical Institute under University of Alaska EDU and you will find it.
	And they'll give you your information.
	Current status of the device.
	It hasn't been dismantled.
	What I would say, it's a bit obsolete in this sense.
	The Chinese now have one that's two kilometers by two kilometers array, which is more on the scale of the biggest one, Bernard Eastland, the inventor ever envisioned.
	And he was a, I knew Ben, and I got to know him quite well.
	You know, we published our book, you know, We didn't treat him as some villain, but I didn't perceive him as such.
	He's a scientist doing his thing without a whole lot of understanding about what the biophysics of that is.
	And so right from the beginning, he was a little put off initially, the fact that we published this thing.
	But we told him, that's what we are, we're poor, we're going to do this story.
	But then he ended up buying a bunch of books for his friends because he vindicated it.
	As a scientist.
	Because the military kept denying it.
	And then after a certain point, you know, he had got through his 15 years of secrecy agreements with ARCO, who had the deal with him on building that company.
	Then he could release.
	And then we had the documents from him directly.
	A lot of stuff that was pretty interesting.
	But then...
	What happened with him after all of that is, in all of his scientific presentations, he always said, don't oppose your opposition, just automatically.
	Go meet him.
	Have a conversation.
	And that's how he did it.
	Because he says, you know, you learn a lot outside of your discipline.
	This is what's missing in the world is a multidisciplinary approach, a way of looking at things differently with a broader perspective.
	And this is where, when you look back historically, that's why the Soviets kept up with us.
	They could now produce us, but they knew how to integrate science.
	And we did the opposite.
	We compartmentalized, separated.
	First paper I ever wrote in science when I was 19 was on BAT. The difference between Russian approach to research and US approach to compartmentalization and how much more fruitful, how much more creative, how much more beautiful the integration model truly is.
	And that's the whole model, right?
	There are no closed systems.
	It's just a microcosm of the macrocosm once again.
	And you can apply it wherever human beings engage.
	And this is what the geometry of it, the perfection of it.
	And this is the other thing.
	As people come into their recognition of what we are and our obligations as stewards of the planet and towards each other, I don't think it's going to happen overnight.
	But I know one thing.
	Every revolution started with 2% or 3%, including the one in America.
	All of them.
	Every good thing started with one or two people seeing it differently.
	And there's a lot more of us than that in the world today.
	There's a lot of people figuring this out.
	Absolutely.
	Well, then, in terms of HAARP and its capability, had you been aware of the fact that it has the ability, supposedly, we have been told, to build a kind of a shield that would basically let them know, like an electromagnetic shield, shielding over, you know, like the United States or portions of the planet, Yeah.
	And that what it would help to do would basically make the signature of incoming craft more obvious.
	Yeah, it can do all those things.
	And we reported it now 25 years ago when I wrote the first book with Gene Manning on this subject.
	And what you can do is you can use HAARP to focus electromagnetic energy in a way which creates a corkscrewing kind of motion.
	And that energy then wraps itself around the magnetic field lines, which run from south to north.
	And so you can then run that.
	It would look just like this.
	You can see an illustration.
	Well, we see it all the time if you follow Dutch sense and you look at when they create hurricanes, etc.
	Because they are doing...
	I mean, you must be aware of the weather modification, basically changing the weather.
	We've been doing that since the time of Wilhelm Reich.
	Yeah, and I've published on this also in 1995, and then again in 2000, going back to this whole concept of owning the weather.
	In 2000, I wrote the book with James Roderick, late James Roderick, Earth Rising the Revolution, which had A big chunk just dealing sort of with this sort of trend in our military and what was already in the public domain, and then the trend in the private sector and by other governments.
	And there's a lot of ways to do this.
	HAARP is one of them, but the fundamental on HAARP would be more related to manipulating gravitational waves, which are sort of the root of weather systems and the movement of jet streams.
	And this it can do.
	It can move jet streams.
	It can manipulate gravitational waves in certain ways.
	Well, you're a scientist.
	What would you do if you didn't use HAARP? What technology would you use to create the same effect?
	In terms of weather modification?
	Sure.
	Creating a hurricane, for example.
	One of the things you could do...
	You know, hurricanes are driven by ocean temperatures.
	Tornadoes are driven by wave fronts, cold and hot wave fronts coming together in the atmosphere.
	But how would you do it if you wanted to manipulate it?
	In other words, manufacture it.
	You would have to heat up a portion of the atmosphere or a portion of the ocean relative to that.
	You would have to heat it.
	So how could you do that?
	Would it be with the electromagnetic...
	You can do it with space-based lasers.
	One of the papers Bernard released for the European Space Agency before he died.
	A couple of years before he died, it was actually done for under contract to the European Space Agency and it was on space-based lasers.
	Create the same effect as you create with HAARP on the ground, which is the idea of using that energy.
	And then people go, well, where would you get the energy?
	And if you remember the shuttle experiment where they drug that tether through the ionosphere and it almost blew the Craft out of the air because it conducted so much energy.
	Because this is a highly charged...
	You know, you run something through energy and it will conduct along the conductor, you know?
	And so there's a lot of energy.
	And that's what they discovered.
	That's what that experiment was about.
	Well, can we get energy here?
	So now we don't have to run fuel transports up to refuel these.
	So we just tap what's there for low orbiting.
	The closer you are to the magnetic field lines, the more you can affect them.
	And the more you can also affect the lower atmosphere.
	So you don't want to have to transfer that energy to all of that atmosphere.
	It disrupts its energy density.
	So the closer you are, the better you are.
	And you've got energy around you.
	And then the other thought was from things like HAARP, you could generate and project energy.
	And this is one of the experiments early on that we talked about HAARP. So you project energy in and refuel these platforms, keep them orbiting.
	Now you've got space-based platforms.
	Now you want to talk about full coverage.
	Okay, now you got full coverage, right?
	Satellite coverage for space-based weapons platforms based on energy systems, energy-based weapons, which includes not just the idea of a laser.
	Yeah, no, I appreciate that.
	I mean, if it's laser, if it's space-based weapons, and if it's laser-based, and it comes from satellites, then that's substituting for HAARP. Is that, in essence, what you're saying?
	Yeah, it can, because you can use it for knocking out or adding to, depending on your intent, the energy of a tornado, for instance, by warming up the cold front so the energy dissipates when it hits that other warm front, or the opposite, heating up the warm front even more so the differential is greater and the intensity of the tornado is greater when they do hit, or tornadoes warm actually in the first place.
	So, manipulating wave fronts, manipulating energy on that scale, moving a tornado from one location or moving a hurricane from one location by manipulating the jet stream, for example.
	Are you familiar with the nanosatellites that are said to be part of what's called Project Leonid?
	I don't know if you've ever heard of that, the work of Anthony Sanchez.
	He is a person who wrote a book.
	I forget the name of the book, but he was a software engineer contacted by Lockheed Martin scientists who...
	When on the run, the story goes, as basically blowing the whistle on the fact that they were involved in the creation of a network of nanosatellites, which I think are low Earth orbit, and basically it's already been put up there,
	and that they actually did a sort of a test to find out what were the chances, because they were artificially intelligent nanosatellites, That they would turn against humans and they found there was about a 60% chance.
	They became very concerned.
	Some of their colleagues started to disappear.
	It's a fascinating story.
	So I'm wondering whether you're aware of those nanosatellites.
	Have you ever heard of the nanosatellites grids?
	No.
	I'm not familiar with the subject matter, so I really can't comment.
	The concept I can see, I mean, the fact that when I think about AI in terms of where it's going and where it's already gone, because we've been warning about 25 years and watching where it's going.
	We're here now.
	Yeah, sure.
	This is why I wrote this stuff 25 years, a quarter of a century ago, with the folks I was working with, the people we were in that work with, many of whom are still breathing, thank God, even though they're really advanced age and they're dropping all over the place, which is a really sad story.
	And you see it.
	I mean, we see it all over.
	We lose a lot of people lately.
	And what I would say is, The technocrats and those that benefit by these technologies, which is a combination of really the military-industrial-academic complex as it folds in together.
	You hear this all the time, but from an insider's view on the government piece of this and from an insider's view on the science piece, both with the mainstream scientists that have been well accepted and those that have been heavily opposed I know them all.
	I know lots of people in the world.
	And I make it a point to show up and meet lots of people in the world because I want to know.
	And this is what I know.
	We are being screwed over on every level by so many different kinds of institutions simultaneously that we can put our fingers in the leaking dike, you know, like we're in Holland in a bad earthquake.
	Or we can say, look, the earthquake's happening.
	What are we individually going to do about it?
	And really, that's mind control.
	That's where I'm at in the 21st century.
	Because if we don't take control of our individual selves, begin really manifesting differently and trying to find that place, we're going to find it.
	But it's going to be through trauma.
	Or it's going to be through the grace of whatever we consider consciousness and God to be.
	And I would remember to ask for grace as a primary requisite for everyone because the short path for the universe is to hit you in the head with a two by four and give you the trauma path.
	That's my experience in the world.
	And I think most people who learned anything in the world would say they only learned it in their hardest times, unfortunately.
	A few will say that they learned it in high emotional times like love.
	Those are the rare ones, unfortunately, or the rare moments in our growth in life, you know.
	But As I look at it, that's, you know, the highest manifestation of love is friendship.
	We should start showing it to each other on a really basic level, you know.
	And then at the same time, start treating ourselves like we would treat someone we cared about.
	Yes, absolutely.
	We're pretty critical of ourselves, you know, and if we really believe the word divinity and creating the image of God, and you're sitting there ranking on yourself all the time, that's blasphemy in my view, which is a big word, a blasphemy.
	This is the worst thing you can do to the image of the creation.
	Now, you can recognize weakness and But that's a different matter.
	Then do something about it.
	Make a choice.
	But the rest of it is blasphemy in the most fundamental way.
	If you're any kind of conscious person, then recognize this and understand this fundamental aspect.
	And that shakes off a little bit of guilt because then you start learning about forgiveness, starting at home.
	And then you actually have a chance to find a way through the craziness that's hitting all of us.
	Well, very well said.
	Okay, well, Nick, we've got to close this down.
	I have a problem with my computer.
	I have to make an appointment.
	You know, these things are very limited, so I had no choice on that.
	And so I'm leaving town tomorrow, and so it's kind of a...
	You're going to Egypt.
	Yeah, I'm going to Egypt.
	So it should be a lot of fun and looking forward to that.
	So at any rate, thank you so much for coming on the show.
	You're a fascinating guy.
	I obviously got a lot of books out there for people to take a look at and I hope that we can have you back.
	And I think that, you know, I hope that, you know, people will pay attention to you on Alex's channel.
	And, you know, Alex is not as easy to find as he always was.
	So where can people find you and Alex?
	Actually, Infowars.com.
	You can still find his feeds.
	I'm there every other Friday.
	It kind of gets rotated around every once in a while.
	It's usually the fourth hour.
	And then they run it during the day and they run it through the evening.
	But dial it in, do a search.
	You'll find me there.
	You'll find me on code.
	You'll find me all over the place because I still do quite a bit of radio.
	And I appreciate the opportunity to speak to your audience and share some of my insights as to how I see this technocracy blooming in the face of our own remembering and maybe changing the way it goes in the outcomes.
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	Well, it's a pleasure.
	And thank you very much for showing up here.
	Well, thank you so much.
	All right.
	Take care.
	Take care.
	Bye-bye.
	So that's really a lot of fun talking to Nick Begich, a very well-aware individual, and he's got a lot of books out there.
	So if you want to get to know more about what he's been doing over the years, I do highly recommend those books.
	And obviously see him on the Alex Jones Show and other radio that he's out there doing.
	So thanks everyone for watching and for being there today.
	And I'm going to be still able to broadcast at least for the next, I think it's five days or so.
	So I'm going to try to do an interesting interview in the next few days if it works out.
	I think Tuesday it's scheduled for No, it can't be Tuesday.
	Okay, Wednesday, because I'm going to lose a day.
	Wednesday, and I'll do it from the UK, if all things go as planned, with Bob Kvyat, who many people will know is out there basically throwing down the gauntlet and suing Ron Pandolfi and this organization called InterNASA that he got involved with,
	contributed to, and wanted to be paid by By some strange coincidence, or not at all, the CIA is very highly involved in the whole situation.
	And so it gets down to the fact that he seems to be, I guess, suing the CIA, if you want to look at it that way.
	And it's actually in order to get disclosure.
	So he's doing a roundabout way in which he's exposing a clandestine operation, a company that was trying to work with alternative technologies.
	And I guess their ultimate aim was to build either portals or UFOs and go interdimensional, whatever you want to call that.
	It has to do with...
	Let's see.
	Other individuals, Joe Firmage and other players in that ballgame, as well as the individuals that are related to the operation having to do with the Stars, etc.
	So that's going to be very interesting if we can get him on the air, and we'll try to do that on Wednesday.
	So stay tuned and stay safe and enjoy your life and take care.

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