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April 5, 2019 - Project Camelot

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	Thank you.
	Hi, everyone.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy to be here today.
	We have a wonderful lineup and we're going to have a fascinating discussion.
	I'm very excited to have Sasha Stone with us, Michael Henry Dunn, Nancy L. Hopkins and, well, Mark Steele and myself, obviously.
	And there is a remote chance.
	I'm not sure if it's going to happen or not.
	Deborah Tavares was invited.
	She didn't think she could make it.
	She might be able to stop in for five or ten minutes just to contribute some small, crucial information that she's come across.
	But we don't know if that'll happen, so we're just going to plow ahead here.
	So what I'm going to do is go around the roundtable and have everyone introduce themselves.
	So if you bear with that process, and we'll find out a little bit about everyone.
	For those of you who are not familiar with some of these individuals, although a lot of them are really getting some information.
	Notoriety, I think, around town, so to speak.
	So let's start at the top left.
	That's Michael Henry Dunn.
	So Michael, go ahead.
	Yes, hello everyone.
	I've had the pleasure of being on Project Camelot before.
	I'm a human rights activist with Nancy Hopkins.
	I serve as co-host of Radio 5G, which is dedicated to Serving as a hub of information and activism to halt the global rollout currently going on of 5G. That'll do for now.
	I think a fair amount of your audience may already be familiar with me.
	Okay, very good.
	So let's go around to Nancy L. Hopkins.
	You've got to unmute yourself, Nancy, there.
	Thank you.
	Okay.
	Totally spaced out.
	I'm a co-host with Michael on Radio 5G. We also have 5G-NO, K-N-O-W.com, and that is a website we put up to be able to not organize, but to identify the people that are doing things out there concerning 5G. So...
	That's what we're doing.
	We're just trying to promote information and awareness.
	So I'll pass it back to you, Karen.
	All right.
	Those are extremely short introductions.
	I'm not sure if the people are going to understand who you guys are, but hopefully I can kind of probe you during the roundtable to talk a bit further about yourselves.
	Okay, Mark Steele, you're getting out there quite a bit and you're going to speak at my conference.
	I'm very excited to have you there in Watford, UK, this summer on the 22nd and 23rd.
	I forget which day you're speaking, but it's going to be exciting to have you there.
	So, Mark, why don't you give yourself a brief introduction?
	Please do talk about some of your expertise, if you don't mind.
	You've introduced me.
	I've been on the program before with you, Kerry, talking about 5G. My expertise in 5G is from a technical and a scientific perspective.
	I'm an inventor.
	I've got a number of patents that were invented basically to mitigate the similar weapon systems that we see rolling out across the West and what I came across was basically the 5G system that we're being told by mainstream media is a telecommunication system,
	it is not All of the technology that I've looked at is basically battlefield interrogation equipment, and that's why I knew it so well, and that's why I came across it, and that's why I'm shouting from the rooftops, the belt, and it stopped.
	Okay, very, very good.
	So, Sasha Stone, please talk about yourself, however Briefly, you can, although I'm sure you're well known at this point for the documentary, which is excellent, on 5G. And please do give people the title of it and where they can find it for those who haven't seen it yet.
	But also, tell a bit about yourself a little bit more.
	I don't think you've been on that many shows that I've seen.
	I don't know how well my audience will be familiar with your work.
	Sure.
	Thank you, Kerry.
	Well, I describe myself as less of a concerned citizen than a very pissed off one around about now.
	I'm a political activist more than a human rights activist.
	And I founded a foundation called Humanitad over 20 years ago, which has been really professionally shit-stirring on the international arena as it relates to governments and governance.
	So I've been involved in the NGO sector and the IGO, or the intergovernmental sector, which has caused me to get rocks at the head on both sides of the equation, because I'm accused of being an agent of the Crown and the establishment, and I'm also accused of being a derelict, non-entity, grassroots activist.
	So I inhabit that wonderful line between grassroots and leadership, in a sense, and I've positioned Humanity had my foundation there precisely in order to navigate that rather curious Rubicon between the myth of power and the true power of humanity.
	That evolved in the last 20 years into something called the New Earth Project, which is a global consciousness and sovereignty movement, which I founded a few years ago, which is having some interesting Launching interesting initiatives and engaging interesting dialogue on multiple fronts, as well as igniting conscious communities in different parts of the world.
	We have a university, the New Earth University, which is doing rather well now.
	I also founded the International Tribunal for Natural Justice in, forgive me, 2015 and in 2018.
	Last year, we launched the first Judicial Commission of Inquiry into human trafficking and child sex abuse in Westminster, London.
	And I got involved in the 5G area of focus largely when I met Mark Steele last year, who came and Shook me up in my home in London and plot some forensic evidence on my kitchen table,
	which I found very compelling, not least because I have been subjected in the past to some nefarious exercise as it relates to being attacked by microwave poisoning.
	So I had a very real experience in 2016 of this, and that obviously piqued my interest.
	I met with multiple intelligence agency pundits and officials over the years in the work that I do with Humanitat, sufficiently for me to know categorically that None of what we are likely to be discussing today is in the realm of fictional conspiracy theory, but absolutely rooted in fact and existential threats, no less.
	So, very happy to be here with you, Kerry.
	That's my introduction.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	And we really have a very nice set of speakers here.
	I'm very pleased that we were able to get everyone together.
	So what I'd like to do is, obviously, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.
	And we have been operational for over 14 years now.
	And I am very concerned with the big picture, actually, of humanity and where we are all going as, if you want to call us a species, but we're actually a combination of many species and we're all hybrids.
	So I start with a different, much more, If you want to call it wider point of view than most people.
	And I do want to bring that, let's say, galactic perspective into this discussion.
	So at times I will be widening the playing field a bit.
	And I also, we're going to be very rooted on the ground as well.
	So I think we're going to cover a lot of bases here.
	Why don't we start off with Michael...
	Done.
	And Michael, why don't you say, you know, the things you're coming across, anything you prepared ahead of time that you really wanted to highlight to bring to the discussion and try to limit yourself just in light of the situation to, you know, five or 10 minutes max and everyone will get a chance.
	So if you have questions for Michael on the round table, feel free when your time comes along to ask a Questions based on any of these following testimonies.
	So go ahead, Michael.
	Okay, thank you, Carrie.
	Yesterday, I had the opportunity to actually have an interview with Satya and Mark and Nancy on Radio 5G. That's going to be aired next week on Wednesday.
	and the focus of that really touched on my own passion and background for the restoration of the rule of law and for the work that I've done over the last six years or so, which came to a pause last summer when I chose to part which came to a pause last summer when I chose to part company with a group that I had been I won't go into details.
	It was previously covered on another interview, a couple of other interviews with you, Carrie, but it was very much about establishing an international court of human rights that would be enforceable, that would have teeth, that would not be merely awareness raising, that would not that would not be merely awareness raising, that would not simply indict well-known hegemonic criminals.
	channels.
	The laundry list, we could go through it pretty quickly with the names that a lot of people would like to see brought to justice.
	We wanted to establish something that for the long haul, Would be in accordance with accepted international standards of due process that would derive legitimacy from existing United Nations conventions and treaties.
	And we believed we had found a formula that would actually allow something like global jurisdiction that would use fast-track methods of enforcement so that high-level corrupt factions...
	That impunity would end.
	And primary among the causes that moved me most was, of course, the elite pedophilia rings, the various ways that is used as leverage in blackmail.
	You've covered this sort of thing very well many times, Kerry.
	When I woke up to the reality of 5G, and that's really only within the last six months, and connected with Nancy Hopkins because of her work with Shungite, which is the pretty astonishing mineral that has energetic properties of protection against EMF and Wi-Fi on the 4G level,
	and I began to understand that nothing about The miraculous powers of Shungite is going to stop 5G, which is a weapons system.
	And because of Nancy's background, as a U.S. Army energy weapons specialist back in the 70s, her background with U.S. Army intelligence, her abilities as a remote viewer, which she shared with you on this program earlier, Kerry, I began to see that 5G is the front line.
	It's where, you know...
	I don't care if you're on fire for disclosure or recension or climate change, you know, or the whole range of, you know, potential off-planet alliances and fourth-dimensional threats and other things.
	This is something everyone needs to know about now, immediately, today.
	needs to take action on now that can cut through all of the divisiveness and tribalization that has been more or less forced upon us and find our bond as brothers and sisters of this human family.
	Yes, okay, this hybrid human family, if you will, but we care about our children.
	We care about the earth.
	If you want to get really mundane, you care about the value of your home and whether your mortgage is going to be underwater because nobody wants to buy in your neighborhood once they see that the cell phone towers of 5G are causing your kids nosebleeds, neurological impairment, and brain tumors, which, as Mark can testify, neurological impairment, and brain tumors, which, as Mark can testify, the the epidemiological evidence in Gateshead is completely off the charts in terms of what's been happening there since 5G was implemented.
	I was just so galvanized when I saw Satya's documentary, which has only been out for about 10 days, two weeks, 5G apocalypse, the extinction event.
	I see it as a world-class documentary simply in terms of its quality as a piece of filmmaking, Michael Moore level of impact.
	It's just an amazing wake-up tool that needs to be seen everywhere.
	As Nancy was saying earlier, before the program started thanking Satya for giving us something that she showed it to a friend who had thought she was crazy.
	A friend came back and said, I'm so sorry, Nancy.
	Yes, 5G kills people.
	The science is soberly presented and is undeniable.
	So to have that aspect of Sasha's work today and his work with the International Tribunal of Natural Justice, which I learned about when I was doing my work with another entity that was trying to achieve similar which I learned about when I was doing my work with This to me is extremely important and essential that just a few minutes ago,
	Sasha was sharing with us how the inquiry that is being convened in London very shortly for the ITNJ, the International Sasha was sharing with us how the inquiry that is being convened in London very shortly for the ITNJ, the International Tribunal, is looking at confronting the whole range that are now undeniable...
	It's not conspiracy theory.
	It's fact.
	It's overwhelming scientific fact that, you know, thousands of scientists and medical people and activists around the world are shouting for a halt to the rollout.
	So I view this opportunity today as highlighting the documentary 5G apocalypse, the extinction event, and the work that is going on, the potential work that is going on through the ITNJ to have meaningful, not just awareness the potential work that is going on through the ITNJ to have meaningful, not And obviously, you know, the internet is going to be our primary means of distribution for this because we're not going to be covered on CNN.
	That this is a watershed moment.
	And that this particular gathering of these souls on Project Camelot today, I hope can...
	can ring the bell, clarion call.
	Because you have such credibility, Kerry, and because of the platform and your many years and 60 million people, total viewers around the world over these years, Quarter million subscribers.
	I very much appreciate the opportunity to be here with this group of people to have the impact that needs to be had.
	So thank you so much.
	Well, thank you.
	Well, actually, it's now 62 million.
	What's a couple million?
	But what the hell?
	So let's let's bring Nancy on here.
	And Nancy, please go ahead.
	Well, as the old lady on this panel, because I was born in 1948, I have the unique remembrance of a time before when we thought we had beat the fascists, where we thought we were a generation, not so much my generation, but my parents' generation, a generation of heroes.
	They were called the greatest generation for a reason.
	I remember, you know, my mom's pictures in a military uniform as a nurse and my dad's.
	And I know the story of how we were attacked by the fascist Japanese and then got into the war in Europe.
	But we prevailed and everything's fine.
	No.
	That war never ended.
	The fascist mentality that got us in there, the evil that we thought as a country we had somehow or another won against, didn't disappear.
	20,000 of the highest ranks in the German SS and military disappeared along with the scientists.
	Now where those military people went, I'm not sure, but I do know the scientists came over and paper clipped.
	And they began to formulate a structure within the very core of America.
	And it was a structure that was still based on fascism, was still based on the concept that they were a superior race and that humanity should serve them.
	It didn't go away.
	It infiltrated the United States.
	Back in 1976, I was told by an insider That they were going to develop a psionics weapon system that would be put all over disguised as communications in order to electromagnetically control the people.
	And if they wanted to, that they could destroy a group of people or an individual with this technology.
	That was 1976.
	That's 43 years ago.
	And I watched them build it.
	Nobody would listen to me.
	Nobody would listen to the other people out there that said, look it, ever since you put Wi-Fi out, you're killing the bees.
	The bees are what we count for the insect community.
	You're killing the insect community.
	You kill the insect community, you're going to kill all life.
	Nobody would listen to us.
	Now, what I think has happened is that all of a sudden people are being alerted to this terrible thing, 5G. Because there is nobody that can give you another option.
	It's not safe.
	They can't prove it.
	They can't say it because it's all lies.
	It's not safe.
	It's a weapons system.
	It's doing what it was designed to do.
	Kill people.
	Kill this planet.
	So I just want people to know this is not something new.
	This has been ongoing for decades and decades.
	But the thing that they kept betting was that they were in control.
	And the fact of the matter is, is no.
	We gave them permission to be in control.
	And all we have to do is stand up.
	And it's like Sasha likes to say, walk outside your door and scream in your yard.
	There's something very wrong here, but we can fix it.
	We can fix it by coming together in groups like this, by coming together in groups in your neighborhood.
	This is not a big problem.
	They're going to make you think it's a big problem, but we can do it as long as we stand up and do it together.
	And this is what they are terrified of.
	When they tried Agenda 21 and it failed, they couldn't coax us into the cities.
	So they decided, well, maybe we'll just burn them out.
	So they burn half of California so that people got no place to live, so they come to the cities.
	This is Agenda 21.
	It failed.
	Now they're scared.
	They're really running scared.
	Why?
	Because of these kind of shows.
	Because of a Carrie Cassidy out there.
	Because of Michael and Sasha and Mark and myself saying, no, we got the message here.
	We're going to tell it.
	And as we speak, we affect the collective consciousness of humanity, which then affects everybody else.
	And as we wake up, they run scared.
	So now they're putting out that 5G knowing that it's so damaging that, I mean, why would you stick it in Gateshead?
	Turn it on.
	And wait for Mark Steele to come along and say, you're killing people, and I happen to be a technician that can tell you how you're doing it.
	Why would they do this?
	Out of total desperation.
	You know, they showed their hand.
	Well, now let's show the world the hand that they just threw.
	All right, thank you very much.
	And I'm just honored to be with these people, Carrie.
	They're tremendous.
	Thank you.
	Thank you so much.
	Lovely, lovely.
	So I think we're going to go to Sasha Stone next.
	Thank you, Carrie, and thank you both, Michael and Nancy, for your incredibly gracious words.
	Michael, you mentioned UN treaties and conventions.
	Of course, you asked if you're right.
	You know, if we're looking to remove or repair ourselves from civilizational quagmire, which we are clearly in, if not a torpor, a kind of sleep at the wheel, we need to really address restoration of rule of law because it is those compacts and treaties and we need to really address restoration of rule of law because it is those compacts and treaties and conventions that are the architecture, the apparatus that make up
	So we can't not pay attention to those conventions and treaties, much less the regulations and the codices and so on.
	But in so doing, we run the risk of being subsumed into a game which is set for us to play.
	It's the game of ordo ab keo.
	It's the game of havoc.
	Of pandemonium, of what the more nefarious element of the Jesuitical arm would refer to as helter-skelter.
	It's a state of mind, a state of being designed to put us into abject confusion and be unable to remove ourselves from that confusion.
	So rather than get into Deregulating or reverse engineering the apparatus that has conspired to entrap and entrain us, we should simply look at the archetypal language of what's going on.
	And it's connected to dream spell.
	And it's connected to how we can step out of that dream spell like that.
	It doesn't require time.
	It doesn't require motion.
	It doesn't require petitions.
	It doesn't require statutory, you know, We're good to go.
	And then collectively begin to see what that is.
	So, let's go back to the UN. Conventions, treaties, rule of law, blah, blah, blah.
	All of that is part of the grotesquery of the civilizational fraud that has been perpetrated against the living men and women of the living soil.
	And that, my friends, is the five of us.
	And whoever is listening to this show with dynamic consciousness, We are the living men and women of the living soil.
	We are the most powerful dielectric force in the universe.
	We are the most paramagnetic force in the universe.
	And sweet Jesus, when the paramagnetic and the dielectric synthesize, come together, and actualize human consciousness, we become creator.
	Nothing more, nothing less than creator.
	So that is something which is clearly known to the Jesuitical echelon.
	To the Babylonian priesthood, to the Molokite entrepreneurs of Moloch, who proliferate all around our world, in media, in academia, in the commercial sector, and obviously proliferating in the corridors of power.
	So I wouldn't really, after my 21 years of what I've deemed to be frontline activism, because I've pushed my nose hard into those spaces, I would not really spend much more time in trying to reverse engineer anything that's being engineered,
	but I would really look at increasingly at the Babylonian dream spell and the language of dream spell, the spellbinding, because if we can undo the spells, which we can do, actualized consciousness is the undoing of the spell.
	That for me is where we ought to be placing our focus.
	When we're looking at the distinction between the living and the fictitious, and this all comes to 5G, because 5G is the line in the sand, so we appear to agree here.
	There's two ways of a living soul engaging with what we call the status quo.
	Two primary ways.
	One is how we, and where we place our attention, project our life force.
	And the other is how and to what degree we allow ourselves to be coupled to that status quo through registration processes, for instance, through paying taxes and feeding the creature that's devouring us.
	So the registration and the statutory indentureship or enslavement, which Nancy just referred to quite rightly as us granting the permissions to the creature that's devouring us, And let's be clear, the creature that's devouring us is the state.
	The crown is Cronus, and Cronus is a fight that devours its own young, preferably after it's buggered its own babies.
	So we're talking about ritual harvest of humanity, Canaanite ritualism, writ large in the 21st century, and it's brought us to a state of play where the air...
	is weaponized.
	The soil is weaponized.
	The ocean biome is weaponized.
	Everything that we take into our biotechnology is weaponized.
	The microbiome of the human gut, the interrelated microbial flora and fauna that make up the effective operating system of the human technology is weaponized against us.
	And every step of the way We gave permission.
	We grant permission.
	And we did so, in my view, in my very, very consideration, as part story of unfoldment, of us needing to reflect back to ourselves Who and what we are in quintessence, which is divine, which is majestic, which is ineffable.
	In order to realize that fulmination of who and what we are, individually and collectively, because there is no separation between the individual and the collective at a certain threshold point, that's the point.
	And that's also the point of 5G being waged against us and upon us.
	As a catch-all, Alpha Omega technology, it doesn't allow for any room for maneuver.
	There's no wriggle room there.
	There's no blurred edges or blurred lines.
	5G is systemic.
	It's absolute.
	In that sense, one could describe it as quantum.
	And yet, all that it tells me is that that is the ultimate mirror that we collectively, civilizationally, galactically, have evolved in order to perfectly see the reflection of our ineffable, majestic divinity.
	And that's what I'm seeing emerge.
	I'm seeing the most powerful world Flame emerge planetarily and arguably galactically because I am one of these rare birds that believes that the actualized human being is the highest expression, not just in our quadrants of the multiverse.
	I actually believe that we represent the full spectrum of creation in the truest sense of being the creator, having been cast adrift into the abyss under our own jurisdiction.
	Under the covenant of our own soul, many aeons ago, each of us, and we splintered and we fell backward into the void.
	It wasn't a fall.
	It wasn't a fall from grace.
	It was a backward somersault that we took and how incredibly brave we were.
	And here we are at the fulmination phase of that, where we are now Standing on our feet, shaking ourselves down, beginning to see our true reflection in the mirror of that status quo.
	It's been a tremendous journey for me, as much of it as I do recall in moments of lucidity.
	I do not walk into this space with fear in my heart.
	The 5G thing is the perfect mirror.
	And I think that if we see that truly, we blink it out of existence.
	The existential threat At the microbial DNA level, at the galactic level, all of that stuff, that apocalyptic narrative blinks out of existence as it must, as it shall, as it will.
	Okay, very eloquent and even poetic.
	Thank you for that.
	So let's go on to Mark Steele.
	Very well said.
	How do you follow that one then?
	5G is the key.
	What Sasha has just said, we have been given a key.
	5G is the key.
	This is the key for everybody to see what's been going on and being able to understand the serious threat.
	And there's no wriggle room, exactly what Sasha has said.
	Absolutely not.
	It's time for the fight back.
	It's time for people to wake up and people are waking up en masse.
	We're starting to see the reality of what's been going on around them.
	So it's very, very important that, you know, get as much coverage as possible.
	The video that Sasha's had made, absolutely fantastic, tells the whole tale in a very, very interesting way, adds credence to everything that's been said about the weaponry.
	It has a lot of scientific Confirmation there so that people can actually see, you know, for themselves.
	And it takes them on that journey.
	That journey is really important for people to do their own research, see what's said in the film, take that time, discuss it, talk about it, share it with people.
	It's very, very important.
	That film, that documentary is amazing.
	Absolutely crucial for people to be able to understand what we're talking about, the existential threat, and also to understand what 5G is and how they have to act.
	This isn't just for Mark Steele, Sasha Stone and everybody here.
	This is for all of humanity to wake up, to wake up from their slumber.
	Very, very important times.
	We live in historical times and we are making history.
	This is history in the making.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Now, Mark, you've talked for the least amount of time here, so I do want to give you the opportunity to say a few more words.
	What I was especially struck by is in a recent interview with Barry Trower, who I think is quite an excellent witness in this regard, you mentioned that you have evidence now that this has been rolled out in some places since 2011.
	So for the people that are not aware of that information, I think that that would be valuable.
	I do have a few words to say before we start our round again, going around the circle here.
	But I wanted to give you a chance, Mark, because you do have a little extra time there.
	To address that, if you can, and any other details that, you know, because keeping in mind that people will come at this from all different levels, some will have seen the film, some will start at ground zero and be interested that, oh, you know, four or five people have come together to do a roundtable.
	And find that interesting.
	Maybe some of the players interest them, whatever.
	Can you talk about any of what you know?
	Because you bring a very special level of expertise here.
	This equipment's been battlefield.
	It's battlefield interrogation equipment and weaponry.
	And these are secret weapon systems.
	It was in the 60s and 70s these weapon systems were used to target people.
	You know, this equipment goes back and, you know, It was actually taken to the USA under Operation Paperclip.
	It was actually developed there.
	It's a lot more significant now.
	So there's been a lot of basically secret weaponry that nobody knows anything about.
	You know, they're hanging on the front of a boat, they're hanging on the front of a plane.
	Basically, the guys who operate think it's radar.
	But what it actually is, it doubles up as a weapon system.
	It's like the LiDAR on the top of a tank.
	Now, a LIDAR system on the top of a tank, that's a cross between laser light and radar.
	Now, if I was actually interrogating a battlefield with that piece of equipment, I can see the battlefield with it.
	However, if I was someone sitting up in a mountain with a telescopic sight or a pair of binoculars, and that LIDAR, the Class 1 laser, catches this magnification device, It'll put my eye out.
	So basically, that's a weapon system.
	And this is where these weapons came from.
	So they're double up for battlefield interrogation and they are weapons.
	And they've been used for many, many years.
	So, you know, the rollout, the first knowledge I have of the 5G rolled out in a civilian setting is in 2011.
	The plan to roll it out was a little bit earlier than that, and I think there was a dastardly plan that goes back quite a number of years.
	Just in the event that we start to wake up, that humanity starts to wake up, people start to work out that there's something not right, and we start to hear the tales.
	The internet's been quite an interesting tool, basically used against us, but What's actually happened?
	People are using it for benefit.
	They're starting to see things.
	People are seeing stories.
	They're seeing information about the paedophilia, child trafficking, and all these things where people can go and get another resource and start to go, hang on a minute, this just doesn't look right at me.
	So there's a lot of people are very, very distrustful of authority.
	And most certainly, I've always been distrustful of authority because I've seen it At first hand, very, very early on.
	So I'm very, very distrusting of anybody.
	I call them they.
	The other people that do is that tools.
	Do is that tool to keep their head down when they know they're doing something wrong.
	It's the same in the camps.
	It's the same in all these organisations where you get people who just, yes, men, take their money and don't want to actually stand up and be counted because it's easier.
	They're cowards, really.
	Because it's easier to walk away, put your head down, standing up and being counted.
	That's what people have to do now.
	Because 5G doesn't actually give you the opportunity to do anything else.
	I mean, I've had threats to my life.
	I've had all sorts of things going on.
	I've had all the trouble with the local authority and the police, etc.
	However, I know what that weapon's capable of.
	My back's against the wall.
	And when you actually understand that particular issue and realize the existential threat that 5G is, there's nowhere else to go but to fight back.
	Okay, now recently you had your, didn't you get thrown off YouTube?
	Is that right?
	Yeah, Google took the Save Us Now party.
	It's a movement, exactly what Michael said before about the rule of law.
	It's all based on the rule of law.
	I mean, get away from all this divisive nonsense, you know, parties, red and white and all the rest of it.
	It's all just a game.
	As Sasha said, it's all just played out to be divisive.
	So people are all, you know, it's like the gladiatorial games.
	It's the same game, just a little bit more sophisticated.
	You know, so we had a channel that It was starting to get a lot of hits all the time.
	I did a video, a very, very poorly produced video.
	I mean, my video is absolutely rubbish, by the way, basically just on a device.
	And I did a video in Kensington where we showed that the transmitters were these WiMAP transmitters We're fitted on the top of the lights in a very, very affluent part of London.
	And that video got 120,000 views.
	And I think, and then I did another video about the autonomous cars, the electric cars, the dangers of driving an electric car to anybody in as a passenger or a driver, taxi drivers in particular, because I have to drive them all day.
	And these things have only ever been tested up to a maximum of 30 minutes.
	So consequently, pretty dangerous driving to let me cough anything longer than 30 minutes.
	Well, probably a little bit dangerous driving the one at all.
	And Google didn't like that because obviously, you know, it's getting a bit too close to the bone.
	And therefore, they then pulled that political movement.
	who have got a foreign technology company who've taken it upon themselves to pull down a political movement a registered political party in the United Kingdom and pull that channel down it's pretty interesting one yeah that's amazing well
	Well, getting a reaction, you don't get flack unless you're over the target, as they say, and that is military language, but it definitely seems to suit the situation we're in, which I believe, of course, is a war.
	And so we have a war on planet Earth and off planet Earth, and we are dealing with that.
	And what I wanted to say here is that there are some very specific things that have come to my mind.
	And I've been doing interviews on this subject now for probably at least the last year, maybe more.
	And certainly on electronic warfare and all the technology.
	For mind control, etc.
	And by the way, I'm going to have Nick Begich on the show on Monday who has now written a book about mind control.
	So we'll talk to him.
	He's the one who wrote a book, Angels Don't Play This Harp.
	So he was quite very early on the scene there.
	So what I want to say here, though, is that in my view...
	Based on all my experience with interviewing really thousands of people at this point, both in above top secret and below and civilians, I want to say that it's really there's nothing that they can put before us that we can't overcome without our own will.
	I do think it's very important to understand that it's not a negative thing that we're having challenges come at us in this way.
	If one can turn one's thinking around to understanding that the challenge itself is the opportunity.
	And that opportunity is for us, number one, as you're all saying really here, to work together for once, to actually put aside childish ways and come together and to work towards a goal that will be better for our children, better for the plants and the animals, as well as ourselves.
	And for...
	Coming generations, hopefully there will be them.
	And there are humans on many other planets going through similar things.
	We are facing a global and galactic story, and we have elected to be part of it.
	So if you kind of start with this maybe a little bit different way of looking at the world, then at least for some people out there, rather than seeing that the sky is falling, the sky is falling and kind of running around like Chicken Little, that in essence we can surmount this.
	And one of the reasons we can surmount this is because we are spirit and soul first.
	physical bodies second.
	And so what manifests on earth comes into the physical realm for us to deal with and confront.
	And so I think it's very important to realize the opportunity here that we can work together, that we can also, you know, call a spade a spade, that pretending things are not as they are, pretending that, you know, children are that pretending things are not as they are, pretending that, you know, children are not being abused and that there's not human trafficking because you are having a nice day is So I think you can still have a nice day.
	In fact, I think it's your duty to have a nice day, if you want to call it that.
	But I think at the same time, you have to be aware, fully awake and aware, as I call my conferences, and take that with you and share that with others.
	And as we wake up, It's like a light bulb.
	You can imagine the whole earth surrounded by, you know, light coming on because we are light.
	And that's another thing I want to talk about, which is, and all of you can react to some of the things I'm saying as well as anyone else what has been said here.
	And I will keep this short, but I do want to say that Basically, radiation is light.
	We are light.
	So in the final analysis, if you can think of it that way and understand that there's also a whole X-Men component to this, they are creating a radiation-filled planet.
	They have been doing this for quite some time.
	Fukushima was part of that.
	And understand that we cannot be diminished nor conquered through that, that we are actually stronger than that.
	And it's all a matter of how you think about it.
	Now, I have evidence of individuals that I've interviewed from Russia who have eaten things like uranium and been exposed to, you know, the Chernobyl radiation as children.
	And we're able to survive and thrive as well.
	So it's not to say that all human beings are going to be able to surmount the physical challenges that are coming to us through these various things.
	And 5G is just the beginning in some ways.
	It is a groundwork, as far as I'm concerned, for the AI to go All around the world.
	This is, you know, this has been in the prophecies.
	This is in the literature.
	It's William Gibson, if you know this wonderful sci-fi author, actually foresaw all of this.
	This is in The Matrix.
	This is what we've been dealing with, is an artificial intelligence story.
	And the artificial intelligence is going to be using the 5G and the implants that we have and the nano that we have.
	So understanding that this is not something to be afraid of, but that we can be dominant.
	We can lead the way.
	We can probably turn some of these AIs in our favor.
	And some are already working with us.
	As many people know, I just interviewed Captain Mark Richards from the Secret Space Program.
	He is in prison.
	He has a lot of naysayers out there, but he prevails.
	And I can tell you that he has just told me that there are six artificial intelligences That have been invading the planet now that come from other beings.
	In other words, it's their artificial intelligence.
	So we have our artificial intelligence, they have theirs.
	So when you talk about 5G, I think it's important to have the long range view.
	We cannot only think...
	Short-sightedly and on the ground because you take down a tower that perhaps you've made a victory.
	Perhaps you have.
	But in the end result, we need to look at, yes, who is sitting in the seat attempting to rule this earth, knowing that actually it's our field of resonance that has the power, that we far outnumber them.
	In really frightening levels, and that's part of the key to our power.
	So if we can work together, use those numbers, then I think we're going to be in much better shape looking towards the future.
	Now, I'd like to continue to go around here, and please do bring whatever level of sort of cutting edge.
	In other words, we don't want to just...
	Soothe people.
	We want to actually galvanize them.
	So I do encourage you, if you see things wrong with even what's being done or even what has, you know, so far come forward, we know that cities like Portland, Oregon are calling a halt so they can check and see whether the health benefits or that benefits.
	That's a laugh.
	The health, you know, issue is a stop is a stop.
	We have other places that have actually called it a stop and are not ruling it out.
	But I believe that with, you know, with the electronic surveillance, with the satellite grid, with the nanotechnology, with what's called Project Leonid that I've talked a lot about that came from the Lockheed Martin scientists, that You know, we should not be short-sighted.
	We should understand that these threats are real and continuing, and targeted individuals can testify to that.
	And certainly, we have Sacha is talking about himself.
	I have been targeted, and I'm sure these others of you have and are experiencing this kind of targeting.
	This is ongoing with or without 5G, as a matter of fact.
	So let's keep that in mind.
	Michael, let's go to you and please take the floor.
	Thank you so much, Kerry, for painting the picture of realistic hope.
	And this is something that I have felt such a compelling need to do.
	We are facing and sharing with people nothing less than horrific realities.
	And as we know, there's the cognitive dissonance that People cannot, will not, are unable, emotionally, psychologically unable, to integrate the information, the hard science that is unignorable, into a worldview that allows them to go on with their day.
	And I feel that it's something that I can contribute to show a middle way, you know, to reach...
	A broad spectrum of people, whom we might call in the middle, who can be galvanized and awakened.
	We have to find, as Sato was talking about, he occupies this middle ground where he gets accused by Radical so-called lightworkers of being an agent of the crown because he's actually trying to work with existing structures and gets accused on the other side of suspicion that way.
	I'm from the Midwest.
	I grew up in a big Irish Catholic family.
	We were Chicago Democrats, but the socially liberal, fiscally conservative, etc.
	That's how I identified growing up and certainly never thought That I would become intellectually convinced that 9-11 was an inside job.
	And more than back in the day, when I was making my living as a Shakespearean actor, that I thought I would be intellectually convinced that somebody else actually wrote the plays, which, as it turns out, I did become.
	And so, you know, it's...
	One of the primary things that...
	I do my best to share with people.
	And that we can make AI our servant instead of our master.
	That we can, with our own organic intelligence, or OI, with the assistance of the divine intelligence, or DI if you will, the divine intelligence, That, you know, at the core of our nature, we can access through the quantum divine field,
	through meditation or whatever your particular path may be, that with the aid of divine intelligence, our own organic human family intelligence can not only overcome the various AI forces that are seeking to dominate us, but to make AI a servant of human freedom and human well-being.
	Obviously, it's a long-range thing, but the 5G battle that has come into focus now is in a way a sort of diabolical gift to us because it is so unignorable, because it does represent very likely a desperation measure on the part of the dark faction that the light is just popping up in too many different places at once.
	We talk about it as like a whack-a-mole.
	They can't They can't stop it and really the only option for them at this point is to roll out a pervasive system of control with multiple options as we've heard the science from Mark and also from Nancy of targeting an individual,
	targeting a group of people either doing pervasive military surveillance or targeted elimination that That is how 5G was designed, for battlefield purposes.
	Despite all this, because this represents a desperation measure, me being an over-the-top J.R.R. Tolkien fan for a very long time, I liken it to the denouement of Lord of the Rings, where Sauron was forced to move too soon.
	For those who saw the movie, when Aragorn gathers the pathetic remnant of his army to march on the Black Gate, Sauron strikes too soon with all his power for fear of the potential new ring lord.
	And that allows little Sam and Frodo to struggle up Mount Doom and we know the ring is destroyed.
	This represents, and as a storyteller, That's a beautiful tool for me, to be able to show people what the story arc is here.
	5G represents a fatal error, desperation move.
	If we have the guts to march on the Black Gate, that's essentially what it comes down to.
	For me, when I think about the Stop 5G movement, I'm reminded of a quote that Nancy shared with us the other day, If you want to stop a movement, organize it.
	It's a quote from Wilhelm Reich that what we are doing is not attempting to organize the Stop 5G movement, but to galvanize it simply through awareness and activation.
	On our 5G-KNOW.com website, we list all these organizations that are out there We're actively using legal tools, using all the various ways we have of stopping 5G in the local level.
	Sadly, on the federal level, the FCC under Bill Clinton in 1996 passed legislation that essentially made the FCC superior to the Constitution, superior to states' rights, and the only grounds upon which you can protest The implementation of a telecommunication system is if it's not aesthetically pleasing for your neighborhood.
	So, you know, it doesn't quite go with the flowers on my, you know.
	Well, of course, it doesn't quite go with miscarriages and neurological impairment and brain tumors and the death of the biosphere either.
	But you're not allowed to bring that to the table.
	It's just got to be aesthetically displeasing.
	So, when I look at the realistic means we have, it's awakening.
	And the activation, and it is also putting into our hands the legitimate means, as Sasha was talking about, we registered our permission for these systems to be rolled out on us, and we can revoke it.
	And when it comes to people like Judge Anna von Reitz and the work that is being done county by county throughout the United States and elsewhere throughout the world of revoking that permission and reclaiming our sovereign status as children of our Mother Earth.
	And there are very clear legal grounds invoking common law, invoking the organic republic, that one can do that without picking a fight with the IRS or staging another Ruby Ridge where it is working.
	And especially because there are sympathetic local law enforcement people, sympathetic local county registrar people who see the legitimacy, see the law, and are actually helping county by county people to restore their and are actually helping county by county people to restore their power as citizens and to
	when it comes down to it, and there's a push comes to shove with the federal government or whoever is saying, no, you will accept 5G. No, we are going to put these cancer-causing towers...
	Next to your home, there will be sheriff's deputies and community activists standing there and saying, oh yeah, well, this is our sovereignty.
	These are our homes.
	These are our family.
	We can show harm, cause, under common law, and we'll be held liable for $10,000 a day.
	Are you sure you want to run that risk?
	Are you sure you want to lose your home?
	Are you sure you want you to have manslaughter charges for giving my child a brain tumor?
	These things are happening.
	I was in a meeting just a few days ago, and this is enormously hopeful.
	My friends that I'm working with in Colorado, we like to invoke what we call the Inner Light Network, or the ILN, which is the counterforce to the cabal.
	The Illuminati gets a lot of PR, and a lot of it is just this image of a monolithic, all-powerful, controlling structure.
	And it's not monolithic, and it's not all-powerful.
	And they're fighting themselves, and they constantly are making fatal errors that don't work out according to their plans.
	And on the other side, as a counterbalancing force, is the divine, is the light within us, is highly evolved souls also infiltrated into high levels of government and pharmaceuticals and military and everywhere else that are quietly, without waving their banner on the web and saying, we're the is highly evolved souls also infiltrated into high levels of government and pharmaceuticals and military and And it's not only on the 3D level.
	Obviously, we all share in common a spiritual understanding.
	There is divine help.
	There is angelic-level help.
	So that's my little segment here, just in terms of responding to what you're sharing with us about realistic hope.
	And so thank you for bringing that up.
	It's enormously encouraging.
	Okay, very good.
	So, Nancy, and again, can you please consider replying or even if you wish to question, you know, certain things that you've heard said or come at it a different way, the floor is yours.
	Thank you.
	Thank you very much.
	Okay, I really want to turn it over to Mark Because I want him to explain the forensic evidence we have.
	We can talk about, you know, the theoretical things that we know is going to happen because we understand it's a weaponized system.
	We can talk about all the ways we can fix things.
	But Mark has the forensic evidence that what we're saying is true.
	And Mark, if you don't mind, can you just really break that out and maybe Sasha can help you because My understanding it was when Sasha saw the forensic evidence, that's when he knew we had a shot.
	So I'm just going to turn it over to you guys if you don't mind.
	Yeah, well, what I was going to say to what Kerry said before about, you know, The potential for this weapons system, I've been looking at the capacity of some of the MIMO tanks, these are the massive in, massive out, basically an elongated radar system that's popping up all over the place.
	The British government alone has got a plan to put 400,000 across the countryside, so it's a country-wide rollout.
	We'll see them coming in all over the place now.
	So this is This is 5G, but this is the larger towers with the cooler tanks.
	So you've got coolers and you've got telecoms.
	This is a cross between the two, because obviously they've got to try and give you something to pretend what it is.
	I've been looking at some of the power outputs and the capability of these weapon systems, and they are absolutely a full 5G. Let's say you have a full 5G rollout.
	In a particular area that these MIMO tanks are operating at.
	Let's say it was real, the smart city thing.
	Let's just pretend for one minute that it wasn't going to kill everybody.
	Let's just say it is this pretend-y thing that every IC and IRP see and it's perfectly safe.
	These large tanks, these tie-in tanks, MIMO tanks, They're only operating on 20% of that potential, that's if they were fully deployed for 5G. So there's an 80% or thereabouts, an 80% power density output from that transmitter system, from these radiators, that, what's it for?
	And I believe, I'm pretty, well, looking at the design of the small The small dialect with lens antennas and how they can actually operate in the vertical.
	I first thought it was, you know, for some over-the-horizon weapons system, because obviously you can bounce these weapons off the ionosphere.
	There's talk about these 20,000 small satellites that you can put up there, so you can bounce them off them.
	I haven't seen the satellites.
	I'd like to get a, if I could actually have a look at one, and then I'd understand, because basically a satellite is just a mirror in the sky.
	And it's the ground-based transmitter that fires a signal up and you get a reflection down.
	That's what satellites are in the main.
	And I'd like to see these ones.
	So I'm thinking, oh, to know of the rising weapon, they've built this massive array in the UK. They're going to attack New York or attack a city somewhere else in Moscow or something like that.
	Now I'm starting to change my view due to the size and the output of these devices.
	This equipment could potentially punch a hole through the ionosphere and break through all of the cosmic radiation onto the Earth to actually just destroy everything and turn the whole Earth into, you know, terraform it to look something like Mars.
	Because it's starting to look pretty interesting, the capability of this equipment considering, I mean, if they just want to kill us, If they just want to wipe out humanity, then there's a bit of overkill there.
	That's what I'm starting to look at from a technical perspective.
	I think that's very true.
	I would second that based on everything I know.
	I think there are levels to this that are not being revealed.
	And the Internet of Things, even that phrase, the idea that actually Mark Richards talked about, you can drive a car, today's car, by a base, a military base, and the AI can sense...
	The electronic apparatus that's on the base and jump from that car engine, invade the base, invade all the...
	I mean, it can even connect with your toaster.
	It connects with the lights, these crazy LED lights that they've given, which are poison, filled with poison.
	I believe it's mercury.
	If they break, you've got a natural disaster in your own house, by the way, and so on.
	And they've given these lights, by the way, free lights.
	To third world countries, as they're called, and free in places like Egypt, where you've got what you would think is little or no technology, you're going to see these light bulbs.
	They're crazy, and they are very diabolical.
	And so poor people have taken them very happily, free light bulb, etc., And this is the kind of thing we're talking about.
	So I agree with you.
	I think we are...
	The earth is being weaponized in a...
	Really incredible manner.
	And I would be curious, and thank you for everything you've just said.
	I'd like to hear more from you, but I want to give Sasha a chance to talk.
	Sasha, apparently I think it would be great for people to hear how you, if this is accurate, what Nancy said, where you were turned around when you finally learned about the weaponization aspect of the 5G. Can you talk maybe about that and anything else that has come across your mind?
	Sure, Kerry.
	That's correct.
	It was about five or six months ago when Mark came to visit me in London.
	And really, it was the evidence he was able to show us which piqued my interest because much as I'd been aware in probably more than a layman, I'd been aware of 5G and the impending threat of 5G. And I more or less understood some of the strange...
	The nature of that kind of game that we've seen for some years emerging dimly on the horizon.
	But it was really when Mark slaps down on the kitchen table a circuit board that had been hurled at him, I think, from one of the guys installing these things.
	Because, of course, Mark is a known urban terrorist who goes around harassing electricians as they're fitting out street lamps into weapons systems.
	And it just so happens...
	That one of those circuit boards was used as a weapon and thrown at Mark, and rather than throw it back, he picked it up and stuck it in his pocket, which I think turned out to be one of the greatest stories in modern history, because it was that evidence that he's got in his hand that is not going to go away.
	And that really is what demonstrates quite palpably and forensically In our view that it is a weapons system and we've needed that to be the start point of this great narrative.
	What I'd like to look at is some of the slightly more abstract stories that are connected to 5G again.
	You know, the big question always comes up, Kerry, you know, if it's true and if we are being subjected to this Monstrous, sort of dragnet, skynet, kind of quantum override system of control and manipulation.
	Clearly, there are controllers and manipulators, in which case, who's behind it all?
	You know, what is behind that Hermes veil or that Babylonian curtain?
	Well, I think that we probably know amongst ourselves on this call that when you do Pull that curtain aside, you find a A wizened little creature with a button mushroom between its legs that probably looks something akin to Henry Kissinger and George Soros and Brennan's bastard love child.
	You know, is that something that we should really be afraid of?
	We know the answer is no.
	Yes, it has certain temporal powers, that creature, that creature of long-standing Jesuitical device.
	It has terrifying powers, or it has had terrifying powers.
	But it's only had them again, I think we've understood, as a direct result of our coupling to it, our permissions granted.
	So the business of sole revocation in the first instance, literally to withdraw one's attention from the egregore, from the elemental cloud intelligence or that diabolical power, Elemental cloud which prevents the newer sphere from actualizing,
	prevents Tara or Gaia from activating and becoming this unbelievable interdimensional beacon of Christ consciousness?
	Krishna consciousness?
	Buddha consciousness?
	You know, the beacon that heralds the next evolutionary upgrade, not just of our dim species, but of this entire plane of existence.
	These are the questions we should be looking at.
	We're inhabiting a binary universe, and there are effectively always two forces at work that we are used to, and that hypnotize us into what Michael...
	Rightly refers to as cognitive dissonance.
	One we could look at as fear and the other we could look at as love.
	The Hindus in the Bhagavad Gita would talk about the Shiva and Shakti.
	I like to think in terms of manipulation or inspiration.
	And the manipulative aspect of 5G is an interposed, scientifically premised objective of penetrating us into At the building blocks of light level from out there and going into everything.
	You say the internet of everything.
	So there is a manipulative energetic force, an egregore force, engaging with temporal agents through a $20 trillion technological rollout, all of which is true, and it's seeking to penetrate energy.
	The Alpha and the Omega from out there explicitly.
	On the other hand, there is a counterpoint energetic to that, which is what the 2012-2013 meme should have taught us.
	The great crossover that occurred, the photon band that is broad sweeping through our quadrant of the multiverse and is That influx of vibral light which is enlightening us from the inside at the quantum, truly quantum level.
	So no surprise that it is the organic, natural, galactic enlightenment that is a paradigmatic shift that is underway courtesy of huge forces and huge arcs of time and Expression.
	War is being waged against that natural organic galactic unfoldment mechanism.
	So that's where we find ourselves trapped, in a sense.
	And that's, I believe, why we're having this conversation.
	What is the Rubicon that we need to navigate to be able to steer the outcome to the highest outcome, the highest expression?
	It is just that, that we remove our attention from the apocalyptic scenario, At all times, being conscious of it, being cognizant of it, but do not place attentional plasma toward it, because plasma, life force, is the stuff of creation.
	It is us who are creating in the holonomic field or the hologram, the outcomes.
	We must be very, very mindful of this, that if we are too much in that sway, we will manifest any number of base frequency expressive outcomes.
	I don't want to be in that space.
	I want to apprehend the devil absolutely through the soul revocation by saying, no permissions granted, get thee behind me and all of that.
	At the same time, to put my plasma, my attention, my life force into manifesting the new.
	And I'll leave with speaking a little about that new as far as I'm concerned and as far as my crew are concerned.
	And this is the bit I think that Michael was most happy with in our earlier conversation, was the Judicial Commission of Inquiry that we're launching in Asia.
	Michael, I'll correct you, it's not in London, this one.
	The next one is in Asia in June this year.
	And yes, we are launching a Judicial Commission of Inquiry into weaponization of the biosphere.
	And we've got some of the biggest names in the world, which will be known to many of you, coming forward to give their expert witness tips.
	Testimony and affidavits of truth to the commission and the judicial bench as to the existential threats of big pharma, weather modification, 5G. The agrochemical industry, all of that stuff is going to be brought to the fore.
	I'm not sure how long that judicial commission of inquiry will last.
	I imagine the best part of a year and possibly then some, but I can tell you absolutely that that will be an explicit line in the sand where we make determinations in the public domain and allow people to participate in that and not quake behind our armchairs.
	Because this, to me, is also a seminal point, is that as a frontline activist and political activist, the one thing I constantly get is, aren't you afraid for your safety, for your life?
	Well, those who know me know how many times I've had guns at the head or been poisoned or whatever.
	I don't bring that stuff into the public domain, and I don't need to.
	Kerry, I think you knew Brian O'Leary.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Brian was a dear friend of mine as well before he died.
	Horrible things happened to Brian back in the day, in the 90s, attempts at his life.
	I've shared these notes with activists for many, many years, but it's not about that.
	It's not about what is the threat to us.
	We're all of us targets, but now everyone in Gateshead is targeted, everyone in Bristol, everyone in Mozambique is targeted.
	If you ask me, it's perfect for us to stay in person.
	Because seven billion people are now the target.
	So it's a fantastic...
	Absolutely.
	...pensimonium within which we can emerge with absolute right action and absolute pure truth.
	I'll leave it at that.
	Very well said.
	Yes, and I think that, you know, we would all agree.
	I don't think anyone would disagree on that.
	And I agree.
	It is a question of balance.
	And I do think that people need to be, as you say, mindful in every moment, not to fall too far over from one side to the other in that sense of understanding the sort of yin-yang nature of reality, the system of polarities that we're dealing with here, because that is actually, that's actually where the trap, the entrapment occurs.
	One of the things that I find is the Illuminati believe fully that most human beings cannot hold two conflicting ideas in their mind at the same time.
	And I have no trouble doing that, actually.
	It might have something to do with my upbringing.
	And I think it's something that should be practiced, actually.
	It's even a kind of a meditation, if you will, to go down that path and begin to kind of see the bigger picture, see the whole thing.
	And as we see the whole, actually we become the whole.
	And understanding this also gets into the mirror.
	You know, AI is the mirror.
	So 5G, as you even said earlier, you called 5G, I would say AI is the mirror.
	5G is, you know, some apparatus that's part of the mirror, like the gun it might hold in its hand or something of that nature.
	But in reality, that's what we're looking at.
	We're looking at, this is what a Luciferian has done.
	The Luciferian has fallen in love with their own image.
	And this is their downfall.
	And so falling in love with the mirror, the mirror is not the thing.
	The mirror is the mirror.
	We are the essence, the soul essence.
	This is, you want to fall in love with something, fall in love with us and each other.
	So this is what it's really about.
	And so now back to Mark, because you've been brought onto the table today.
	to speak and I'd like you to elaborate as Nancy has requested on some of the more technical aspects so that we keep ourselves grounded in the moment because I see that we have ample ability here to expand our minds to understand the bigger questions But let's bring it down to the nuts and bolts, literally.
	And continue to explain what you've come across in terms of the actual technology, what it is, why people should be aware of it, what the threat is, and also...
	The bottom line is, I was struck by, I think during my interview, you spoke about how to disable the technology by actually going in.
	I think you stressed the antenna as being a very important part of that.
	And streetlights, which I think is fascinating.
	See, if we attack this head-on, they will go underground.
	And they will not stop.
	It's important to realize that this technology, as you know, Mark, they've already rolled it out.
	Star Wars was part of it.
	The Reagan era Star Wars became what we know is now Skynet.
	So can you talk about the technology?
	Well, the technology that I came across was basically the antenna design.
	There's a few parts to 5G. 5G, first and foremost, is densification.
	Densification just means more.
	It doesn't matter what it operates at.
	It doesn't matter if it's 1G, 2G, 3G, 4G. If you have a lot of it, 5G. That's one of the technical parameters for 5G. This is something a lot of people don't understand.
	So if I put 31,875 transmitters on streetlights in Gateshead, that's 5G. Just for the fact that it's densification, which is one of the technical parameters, the other technical parameter, 5G, and this is where you need sophisticated antenna systems, by the way, The things that aren't regulated, the things that are illegal and unlawful because I'm being fully risk assessed or tested in any way, shape or form.
	The sophisticated antennas on top of the lights in Gator, they can do what's called backhole.
	Backhole is just a nice name for spying.
	So basically it's a scanner.
	Part of the high gain part of the antenna Basically just a bit of PCB board with a copper strip on.
	And what that is, it's a scanner.
	And how it scans, it calibrates itself with its few street lights up the road.
	And then what they do, they do an offset signal, which then starts to see a beam wave.
	So you start to sweep the area with this.
	And that's basically a scanner.
	For Lehman, it's basically the same as a scanner that you go through in an airport.
	This one's a little bit more powerful, and it's a lot more dangerous.
	Now, when I really got exercised, the piece of equipment that I showed Sasha, this high-gain antenna had a dielectric lens on the top.
	Now, a dielectric lens allows me to focus the signal.
	So not only had the densification, we actually had what's called an 868 megahertz pod in the sub-gigahertz frequency.
	Part.
	That was, as far as I knew, was long-range radar.
	And it's radar for the battlefield because you can see at distance with sub-gigahertz frequencies, but you can also see it in the urban environment.
	So I thought, oh, very tricky.
	That's scanning the world of the urban environment, which would be illegal in itself.
	But this one, and I had one thrown at me, had a dialectic lens.
	Now, The 868 is specific for autonomous vehicles, because this is tied into the weaponry as well.
	The autonomous vehicles, the electric vehicles, they're all part of the weaponry.
	The 868 is specific for the autonomous vehicle.
	Now, an autonomous vehicle, you have to columnate a signal to it, because what they're saying, this is the technical data, but not in reality.
	The technical data, you need a lot of data to go to a vehicle from one of these 5G transmitters.
	So the scanner port target acquires the vehicle where the dielectric lens on the top of the antenna fires the columnated signal to the vehicle.
	Sounds fantastic if you're a technologist fitting these products.
	But what I knew it would be to target acquire a target and then shoot what's called a direct energy weapon signal anything over five, five milliwatts It would be pretty dangerous.
	Anything like the 25 milliwatt transmitter on the top of the light that we have would be pretty lethal.
	So you could actually target acquire somebody, fire a signal at them, you could target their head, their eyes, their heart.
	Obviously I haven't seen the images of this specific, I do have images of this same type of transmitter system The scanner part, we've got the 3D map images, but I haven't actually seen specifically these ones because I don't know where they go to.
	I don't know if it's North Korea.
	I don't know if it's Beijing.
	I don't know where the epicenter of that data goes to, but whatever it is, it's going to be pretty sophisticated because you only have to look at the hardware, the amount of chipsets that are on it, very, very sophisticated piece of equipment.
	And that is exactly what it's for.
	It's there to harm and maim.
	An autonomous vehicle scam, that's all it is, a scam.
	It doesn't make any sense at all.
	I can tell anybody.
	One vehicle on the road with a fully automated system, so you've got the LIDAR, radar system and signal systems, would be pretty toxic.
	By the time you had 20 or 30 vehicles on a motorway or a highway, The toxicity levels from the radar alone would be so toxic a biological structure wouldn't be able to drive that vehicle.
	So we know the autonomous thing that the governments are rolling out.
	The Department of Transport here and the US are giving licenses for these vehicles to be tested on the roads.
	They are absolutely lethal in numbers to life.
	The whole scam about the electric car thing.
	I mean, electric cars, we know there's been a few fires lately.
	These electric cars, if they explode, if they exploded, basically a dirty bomb.
	If you burst one of these electric cars into fire, which it could do, you could actually ignite one with a 5G collimator signal, so you could actually fire it at a vehicle, explode that vehicle, because you can pour enough energy into the stress of the battery to explode it.
	And if that blew up, you'd have a hazmat issue.
	That would take, it would cost millions upon millions to clean it up.
	There's a recent case where one of these Tesla vehicles burst into flames.
	Police and fire brigade landed, kept trying to put it out.
	The fire kept igniting itself.
	But they don't tell the first responders any of that lithium-ion where it's been exploded.
	They get it on their skin.
	Extremely lethal.
	We're talking heavy metals.
	We're talking about the hazmat issue.
	None of these things have been taken into consideration.
	So we've got this weaponry rolling out while you're Regulatory bodies, yes, safety bodies, and all the people that are supposed to be set up to go, hang on a minute, I haven't really looked at this.
	They're out for lunch.
	They're out for lunch, having a coffee.
	Nobody's looking at the dangers of this new, what I call, killer technology in its old party to the kill grid.
	How I can ensure that that is, in fact, as a matter of fact.
	The LED streetlights, the architecture that hang the 5G transmitters off, So they're using these right across Europe and in Gateshead.
	The LED streetlights have only been in Barcelona for less than three years and have doubled the breast and the prostate cancer.
	The reason for that, it's a blue phosphor coated 450, 460 nanometers.
	That's how we've got our blue hairs.
	That has a 450, 460 nanometer, a 25% leakage.
	And that radiation, that optical radiation, is lethal.
	And not only, we're not talking about IC and IRP guidelines here, where they say that this radiation from the transmitter is safe.
	Public Health England, AMA, ANZIS, have all wrote the councils across the country in the UK and stated these LED streetlights are dangerous to children, are dangerous to older people, are dangerous to people's eyesight.
	Their councils are rushing them out at pace.
	That tells me that they're working to another agenda, because this optical radiation is a known hazard, and this particular optical radiation, the people who are fitting the light systems are warned to Category 2 optical radiation emitter,
	Optical radiation is a known hazard, so you have to fully risk assess it, so it's had no risk assessment, it's a breach of the law, so why end up being warned, even by government agencies, that it's hazardous to children, so why is your local authority still rushing it out?
	It's absolutely bizarre.
	All part of an agenda to harm, to harming her children.
	Okay, Sasha, are you saying something, Sasha, because thank you very much.
	Go ahead.
	Talking about the insurance companies, I mean, that's another aspect here, Mark, that insurance companies are not getting behind the telecommunications companies, for instance.
	I mean, that should tell us everything we need to know about the payrolls, you know?
	Absolutely.
	So why don't you state that principle, what's going on with Lloyds of London, would not back this technology, correct?
	Correct.
	They absolutely withdraw any support or backing to the telecommunications system.
	All of the primary carriers in the United States and elsewhere don't have the backing.
	I mean, it's extraordinary.
	But therein really is the telling of the fact that those people whose job it is to know what can cause ecocide and genocide, meaning to say you've got billion dollar lawsuits and class actions in that, They know full well how to dodge the bullet by not getting behind the insuring and re-insuring.
	But again, the average punter doesn't think in those terms.
	Government is mandated to be the arbiter of these kinds of things and to make these kinds of things understood to the citizenry.
	But of course, we've long since We've stopped having any faith in either municipal or federal governance as it relates to the protection of the human genome.
	Yes, actually quite the opposite.
	As far as I'm concerned, they've become really the enemy and their intent on genocide, whether they even know it or not, because there are many players that are participating in this scenario who don't realize they're contributing to the potential death and the deaths of people.
	Humans are all around them.
	It does liken itself to Nazi Germany, to what could be called collaborators.
	And many of them are unknowing.
	I think this is so important to realize.
	And so it's not necessary to go around hating This kind of thing would be a complete ridiculous use of your good energy.
	So we're not talking about hatred for individuals who are caught up in making a living 24-7 or whatever it is, feeding their children.
	Humans have priorities and many humans have had a very hard time getting out of This matrix of basically hand-to-mouth existence.
	And being hand-to-mouth, you kind of have to make those low-level decisions.
	How are you going to prevail?
	How is your child going to eat?
	Do you go to work for the man?
	Do you carry out their orders or not?
	Um, and who do you report to?
	And, you know, all of the things about, um, you know, who you can't serve, uh, God and mammon and all that sort of thing.
	So, um, you know, it is, it, these seem like lofty concepts when you look at them in a book, but in reality, uh, It's really driven home here.
	And I am thinking that the fact of the matter is that we are a global community.
	What does happen in one place is is heard around the world at this point.
	And I think that's significant.
	So that means that every individual can take action that can be basically its own beacon or raising of a flag on a certain issue and can be noticed around the world.
	You know, I just interviewed yesterday a woman who had made her own video And I think she had all of 57 viewers.
	When I brought her on my show, and I've had her on my show in the past, but people obviously hadn't discovered her channel, and she's getting braver and braver as time goes on.
	Her name, she goes by the name of Anna Starfire.
	But at any rate, she's an Illuminati child who was used for experimentation, and she's recovered her memory slowly but surely, and it's quite a fascinating saga.
	But the reason I'm bringing it up is because she had something like 57 viewers on her channel.
	We did the interview last night.
	I had to take it down and re-edit it because there were a number of delays and problems.
	I put it back up today.
	But before I did that, we had over 4,000 viewers involved.
	We did it last night and then by two hours later.
	Now, those are not huge numbers, but it was steadily going up and up and up.
	Even right now, I'm sure that it's gaining.
	If you can see the power of one person, this one person telling her story, On YouTube is very, very powerful.
	And obviously you can see what Mark Steele has started out with a certain level of awareness out there.
	I think he's getting more and more known.
	In fact, if YouTube wants to ban you, of course, you've become incredibly well-known.
	And I know that because of my own exposure to that sort of thing.
	So...
	This is what we're talking about for those listening I just want to stress the power of the individual to make a change in the world and to throw down the gauntlet so to speak in this battle for our sovereignty for our spiritual and Physical freedoms here on Earth.
	So now we don't have tons of time, but I want to certainly allow the discussion to flow.
	So at this point, we've been going around and each person has said...
	What I would like to do is just allow for the dialogue so that if you have anything you'd like to bring up, any of these panel members, that you'd like to bat around with some other people, if some other people have said things that you would like to question them on, let's do that.
	Let's open the discussion just to be more free-flowing.
	I will not be directing it.
	We have a chat room and people have been avidly chatting about what is going on, but also asking the chat room, If you want to ask the panel, either individually or in general questions, please put them in all caps and I'll try to plow through and get some of your questions answered here by the panel.
	So anyone who want to launch off, Mark, if you had more to say, Sasha, Nancy, you've said very little, but you You certainly have had a lot to say, as far as I can see, in the past.
	So, you know, again, the floor is open.
	I'd like to raise something, if I may, and I'm interested to know what Nancy and Michael's views are.
	If we are to look at all that we've discussed in the last almost two hours, and if we are to look at it in the Socratic tradition of drilling down, okay, what is the objective, what is the ultimate target of this manipulative, intrusive, energetic form, 5G and the dragnet and all the rest of it?
	Well, clearly it comes down to dialing into the human gene expression and either to cull us or to harvest us, Or to contain and control and manipulate us.
	Then we need to then look at what is DNA. That becomes the next question.
	What is the human genome?
	What is the DNA? Well, it's a fractal antenna.
	We know that.
	And the fractal antenna is essential for us to understand because that is the thing that connects us to these galactic genesis or cosmogenesis stories and narratives.
	So, If we are indeed, as I think we all more or less agree, a galactic hybrid species, a great cauldron of experimentation, entering into our divinity through cognizance, then It makes sense to my mind that the more nefarious elements and less benevolent or the more malevolent aspects of that galactic consciousness that are part of our genesis
	are still wanting to vicariously live through Homo sapiens sapiens and through Gaia, through the earth.
	They don't wish to be blinked out of the frequency of our upcoming divinity.
	So that's the battleground as I see it, is a desperate effort at more malevolent aspects of our cosmogenesis, wishing to still contain and be able to vicariously live through the human gene expression.
	And that makes a great deal of sense.
	But when we recognize that we are also the Christos, the Bodhisattva, the The Rubicon.
	We are the quanta of absolution and redemption and forgiveness, which becomes the new re-Genesis point of our next evolutionary upgrade.
	Then it behooves us to then look at those negative, nefarious, malevolent aspects of our story.
	And in a sense, absolve and redeem, put the light of absolution and redemption toward that egregore, toward that elemental cloud, toward those far-flung zeta-reticulin, draco-reptilian aspects, all of which are still, to some extent, unresolved aspects of the greater self.
	So the greatest power that we have in that sense becomes our capacity to look at that creature, absolve, redeem it, say enough.
	We've come of age.
	There will be no further permissions granted.
	There will be no intrusions.
	But at the same time, it's not just editing out of our reality framework and saying we are only children of the light.
	That's stupid.
	It's also very dangerous.
	We have to position ourselves as the Rubicon, as the principle of absolution and redemption if we are to move into true coherence with our divine flame.
	I'm going to leave it at that, but I'm keen to know if I'm alone in thinking this.
	Okay, leaving the floor open for any replies to that very eloquent statement.
	And I will just, I guess, launch and just say that I agree with you.
	I think that it's also something that actually comes down to earth in the idea of pedophilia, And what are you going to do with a whole, basically, an echelon of society that have become pedophiles, in essence, and are feeding off the young in various ways, and some more diabolical than others.
	So it's important to understand also that we're talking about an exchange of energies, that at the root is what I call and know of as kundalini energy.
	In the West, it's called orgone.
	And that these beings are feeling they are lesser than, that they are needing energies of other beings in order for them to survive and thrive.
	I think that solves the problem.
	And first of all, it's probably not even possible, but nonetheless, you know, it's going to be very important as we become a galactic civilization.
	To understand the sort of proclivities, idiosyncrasies, whatever, of the various races to which we are being exposed.
	And Earth is not an off-limits planet.
	Actually, it's like an open field day here.
	And understanding that, and understanding that you can't simply...
	Throw somebody in a cell and shut the door and that's the end of it.
	And that goes for prisoners of every kind that are even in jail for various crimes, etc.
	It is not a solution in the end of the day, in my view.
	So, yeah, these are things that have, you know, bigger questions involved.
	Obviously, we start with 5G. We start with the grid being laid down, really starting with the era of television.
	Televisions are and have been since the 1960s surveillance devices and used as such.
	And understanding the whole tentacles of MKUltra and mind control and then our environment.
	And I think it might have been Sacha when we started that was describing that environment.
	You know, whether it's your lights or your food or your air or whatever it happens to be.
	This system has been geared up to turn against us.
	There are very clear ways.
	We are all magicians in the end of the day.
	There are very clear ways to turn it back in your favor.
	And certainly we have some very strong advocates allowing us and helping us to do that, that do involve things like elementals, like fire, water, air, and the various unseen entities out there.
	So there's a lot here.
	It's important to stay in the physical on some levels, but also realize that we go way beyond the physical.
	And that therefore, when we're considering these questions, we need to wrap our mind around a lot of simultaneous information, some of which may appear to be, at least at the surface, contradictory.
	And yet, I think it requires people looking deeper.
	And I constantly...
	I encourage my own self to do that.
	I find it also is very entertaining.
	It just makes life more worth living, really, to start seeing the layers of the onion, as Richard Hoagland, I believe, says.
	So, at this point, anyone else want to jump in feet first and throw something in there?
	Okay, go ahead.
	Okay, because in good writing, you tell a person, you write a book, you tell them what you're going to tell them, then you tell them.
	And then you tell them what you told them.
	That's just good writing.
	And if I know that rule, then certainly God does.
	Okay, so let's go back to the beginning, okay?
	And just because there's...
	I'm going to use the Bible, the biblical story of the Garden of Eden.
	And we have the Garden of Eden, and we have Adams, this really good guy.
	He's got everything going from him.
	He's living in this garden.
	And then something's missing.
	Oh, well, maybe it's Eve.
	Now, was it Eve because of creation of the sexes and all that?
	No, it was because he needed somebody to love.
	There was a love energy that flew through the cosmos at that time, at the Garden of Eden point.
	You've got a couple that's in love, a couple that's working with nature in complete unison.
	And then all of a sudden, you've got this situation where we call it the serpent, or the devil, comes along and says to Eve, Eve, take and eat of this tree.
	And she says, well, no, because God says it's a tree of knowledge and we shouldn't eat of it.
	And the devil says, oh, that's because God knows.
	If you eat from the tree of knowledge, then you will be like gods.
	Okay?
	And I keep going back.
	I mean, I talk on radio all the time.
	I keep going back to that moment in time.
	Knowledge will make you be a creator God.
	Then the question becomes, what would you create?
	Now, in the infinite wisdom of God, God says, okay, children, go on out.
	You're out of the Garden of Eden.
	You're going to go out there and you're going to take from the tree of life.
	Or I don't know.
	Yeah, I think it's the Tree of Life in the Genesis.
	Because then when you get to Revelations, you're talking about the Book of Life.
	And it says in the very last statement in some versions of it, the ones I know, the St.
	John one, it talks, King John, it talks in the last three statements.
	It says, he who would take away from the prophecy of this book, in other words, the words of this book right here, okay, will be written out of the Book of Life.
	Now, God sent us out of the garden to go experience life.
	You want to know what the thing is about?
	You didn't want to stay nice and naive and innocent?
	Go look.
	Go ahead.
	Take a look.
	But if you get to Revelations, and what's Revelations?
	Revelations, it says the whole thing is all over.
	It's a done deal.
	If you stand there and you say, no, I don't think so.
	I don't think so.
	And you say, no.
	What happens?
	You get written out of the book of life.
	Now, this life that we're in right now is really screwy.
	I'd kind of like to be written out of it and into a new reality where we're back to the Garden of Eden after this amazing trip of knowledge and said, wow, it was really awful.
	If you take knowledge and you take it to some keen place where it can control and it can kill, it's really, really awful to do that.
	But if you take the knowledge of the trip of where we've been for all this time and realize that We're children of God.
	You know, the truth is, is that once you take from the tree of knowledge, you will be like a god.
	Because the thought process of a human being connected to the spirit and the soul is incredibly powerful.
	It's a creation.
	You can't have manifestation, you can't have creation without consciousness, without a conscious thought.
	And I just think that all the maturations and all this stuff that we're going through is really storytelling to teach us stuff.
	And if we just think in terms of what is the outcome of the story that we want?
	The outcome.
	I'm not talking about the story.
	It's the outcome.
	Just get to that outcome.
	And then think in terms of how do we want the story written?
	Do we want some white knight to lead us to the edge of paradise?
	Or do we want ourselves to become the white knights?
	You know, to ingrain in ourselves all of the positive elements Well, if I could respond to that, between what Kerry said, Satcha's earlier comments and what Nancy is saying right now.
	Michael, can I ask you to back off a little bit from your mic because there's a, you know, it's sort of a vibration that's interfering with what you're saying.
	So just stay a bit back.
	All right.
	Yeah, that's better.
	Okay, how's this?
	I think that works, yeah.
	Satcha was talking about how we cannot or perhaps should not wish to edit out of our reality this other...
	Aspect of what is essentially God playing the big game.
	And we regard it as this dark, evil, dominating, merciless, inhuman elements.
	And I have learned in my own work on myself over the course of my life, my efforts in meditation, Looking at sacred activism, I very much appreciate the work of Andrew Harvey,
	who is one of the principal thinkers and manifestors of sacred activism as a way, a path in the world to be anchored in your connection to the divine, which strengthens you spiritually.
	In the effort to alleviate human suffering, whatever your particular cause or activism may be.
	And we have to look at our shadow.
	We have to integrate the shadow.
	We can't just be, I'm the white knight, come here to, you know, I'm the light worker, I'm the Templar.
	And, you know, I spent years of my life, as you know, Kerry, in an effort to linearly restore the original order of the Knights Templar.
	And I did that because...
	I saw that the code of chivalry, okay, it's the medieval expression of what is essentially the highest universal values of mankind, of defending those who cannot defend themselves, of preserving and defending sacred knowledge, and of course there was the higher science of the Templars having to do with the lines, the temple construction, etc.
	What I saw was that Hello?
	Okay, we seem to be having some interference with Michael.
	Michael, are you there?
	I am here.
	Okay, yeah, you froze up.
	So you were talking about the Templars and that you were inspired by their whole...
	Their creed, so to speak.
	But you were just cut off just a bit.
	Okay.
	Am I coming through all right now?
	Yes.
	Is this all right?
	Okay.
	I was talking about the work of Andrew Harvey and Sacred Activism and the importance of integrating our shadow.
	Well, at the same time, as you were describing, Carrie, that The dark faction does not believe human beings are capable of holding two contradictory thoughts or perspectives simultaneously.
	And when we talk about understanding pedophilia in terms of what you are describing as kundalini, as a feeding of the energy of the young and of the need to understand where beings who have come to rely on this are What their perspective on this is and that legislating or throwing them all in
	prison is not the long-term solution.
	I understand that and the immediate overriding necessity is that children, fewer children, be raped Who are being raped now.
	As we speak, fewer children are being devastated.
	Their souls being devastated as they are, as we speak, right now.
	And if upholding the rule of law through the work of organizations such as Humanitat and the International Tribunal for Natural Justice and all the very good men and women in law enforcement who are on child abuse task forces,
	It means that fewer children are raped, fewer lives are devastated, fewer lives are leveraged by blackmail, Okay,
	well, I think it's always a danger in looking at the bigger picture that one brings it down to the sort of lower levels.
	And thinks it's an either-or proposition.
	I'm not suggesting an either-or proposition.
	Don't get me wrong.
	I am not suggesting that we don't put pedophiles in jail if that's the only solution we can find for the moment.
	Obviously, there is an effort to do that, but let me tell you that it is not going to touch the upper echelons of the individuals who are running the networks and that those individuals will continue to thrive And what we need are new solutions.
	What we need is, in addition to the current solution of throwing someone in prison for what we consider to be whatever their crime is, and of course the judicial system is now completely infiltrated and taken over.
	And so to rely upon them to be our judge and jury is actually to put oneself in great Peril, in my view.
	Just as if you go to big pharma to cure you of cancer or anything else, for that matter, at this stage, you put yourself in grave danger.
	So we are, in essence, in grave danger.
	Just a footnote here, Michael, your sentiment and position is very...
	Understandable, and I do agree with it.
	We don't want murderers running rampant.
	But as a matter of fact, the biggest murderer is the state.
	The biggest condoner and the biggest sanctioner of all these things, allowing these things to happen, legislating them in very covert ways, That do allow them to happen in schools, in so-called orphanages.
	You know, I have a very fascinating woman.
	I think her name is, I may get it wrong here because it's off on the spur of the moment, but Laura Loudon, she's coming to speak at my conference.
	She has talked about her children being taken by the state and then returned to her and she believes they are now clones of You know, we're talking about bigger concepts here than, you know, throwing someone in jail and throwing away the key and understanding that our system, these are systemic problems.
	And the judicial system is not absolved of those problems, as you know.
	And so it's not to abandon those sort of intermediate steps.
	Intermediate steps can be understood, especially as a culture is rudimentary.
	At a galactic perspective, when you've got reptilians running this planet, When you've got individuals who have been bought and sold into the reptilian persuasion and seeing their fellow man as food and sexual, you know, becoming predators, etc., etc.
	It's an expanding story.
	So I think we need bigger solutions than the current ones.
	That's all.
	I understand that.
	I do not believe the reptilians are running this planet.
	They exist.
	They are on a level of action.
	But to say that, you know, that statement alone takes us down that timeline, as Sasha was describing earlier.
	Not necessarily.
	And I know you expressed a very hopeful perspective on this, Carrie, and I appreciate that.
	I'd like to ask Sasha to share with us some of what he shared earlier.
	with Nancy and I and Mark yesterday regarding his work with the International Tribunal for Natural Justice and how people in law enforcement in the system who are not compromised are in fact reaching out to the ITNJ how actual enforcement with teeth is possible Even within what we acknowledge is a corrupt system at many levels,
	not all levels, not all of these souls are willing participants in the protection of child-killing, child-torturing people.
	So I'd just like to ask Sacha to comment on that, if you would.
	I understand that question.
	And Kerry, what we were talking about yesterday was really about the degree to which we make We may be able to repurpose infrastructures.
	Because if we're talking about a paradigmatic shift in military intelligence, policing, all of that's grotesquery.
	And it is grotesquery.
	It's all about fear and manipulation and control, which is antithetical to the quintessence of who and what we are.
	And that's where we're at.
	But in the paradigmatic shift, when you've got, for instance...
	If we were to unmask the Queen of England or unmask the Jesuitical hand within the Vatican and if it became explicitly understood and known to hundreds of millions of Roman Catholics around the world that their faith Their devotion,
	their practice over centuries had been the very stuff, the very life force that animated the Draco creature into systemic harvest of innocence and pillage and pandemonium and rape and satanic ritualism.
	So the good Christian, good moral citizen has been the diesel, the fuel that has created You know, fired that engine up.
	Now, we know that.
	If that understanding were to be cogitated at the civilizational level overnight, there would be a seismic, psycho-spiritual, psycho-intellectual breakdown of epochal proportions.
	Perhaps.
	And yet we may be right at the verge of just that at the moment.
	It is interesting because we're talking about coming to what I think it's Timothy Leary who talks about chaos theory and all of this.
	And at the end of the day, what happens with humans is the same thing that apparently...
	Happens with things like ice ages and earth changes.
	In other words, we go along for a time and then rather than thinking that something actually moves gradually, it happens all at once.
	That's where you get these mammoths with, you know, grass frozen in place with grass in their mouths.
	So that we are reaching a basically, I think, even this conversation, this roundtable is a reflection of that very thing.
	In other words, we are coming to a kind of a culmination point, a point at which things may actually flip much faster than anyone realizes.
	And indeed, it may be a kind of a trigger for a new human, for a new human understanding that will take precedence Virtually overnight.
	I think that it's also important to realize that children, all of the children coming onto the earth at this time are part of that.
	And that they bring with them a consciousness that's going to facilitate that.
	And so, yes, we must protect them.
	And of course, everyone is conscious of that.
	And the ways in which it gets done may be multiple ways.
	And again, it's not an either-or question.
	But it is interesting to contemplate how close we really are to that, as you call the Rubicon, and that sort of tilting point in which the whole balance of the system changes.
	And I think we're really very close to that at this point.
	And that's why things have become, you know, like a good novel.
	Now things are heightened.
	The two opposites are becoming more and more extreme.
	And things are, you know, we're really at the gate, so to speak, of that, of the awakening and the consciousness changing, making these other things that we've been talking about possible, making indeed a sea change in understanding that On a deeper level,
	what are the things that contribute to this in our society from day one in terms of the religious system, in terms of the education system, in terms of the way people are taught to die, the way they sell you on the idea of aging, which is an illusion.
	And doesn't need to be followed.
	In other words, there's so much really opening up to humans at this time.
	It's a very, very hopeful, at the same time, a very challenging era, I guess you might call it.
	So we do have a couple of questions still coming up, and I know you guys have more to say.
	You know, I can sense that.
	But I did want to at least, you know, there are some people in the chat One in particular, I'm not sure, you know, where levels, again, of awareness are.
	This person's saying, when is 5G being rolled out and where?
	I think if we go back to that step, this is one of the questions in the chat.
	Does somebody want to explain?
	Maybe anyone who has that at quick grasp, whether it's Mark Steele or anyone else, To the fact that not only is it being rolled out as we speak, but it is also being halted in places, but it's been going since 2011 at the very least.
	This was established early on.
	Maybe they joined us later.
	Does somebody here want to answer that definitively?
	The critical threshold, Kerry, it's been underway.
	It's been rolling out.
	It's been test bedded around the world.
	But the critical factor is when do the 20,000 satellites being deployed right now in Geosat orbit around the planet, when do they all go live with the signature?
	Mark, would you agree with that?
	That's the threshold event.
	It's definitely a threshold event, but there's been some very, very interesting cases going on recently.
	South Korea switched the 5G. You know they were testing 5G in South Korea at the Winter Olympics.
	Well, they've switched it on and the places just went up in flames.
	There's buildings on fire.
	It's a national emergency there.
	Wow.
	You're just pouring a lot of energy in, so that's quite interesting.
	That just happened.
	We just got the...
	It's not a great deal in the mainstream media.
	There's a little bit.
	They're saying there's these forest fires, but I've got pictures of the buildings actually.
	It looks a bit like Grenfell Tower, but on steroids.
	Quite a lot of buildings there just burn the ground.
	So there's a national emergency on in South Korea.
	That's quite interesting.
	Rome and Brussels have called a moratorium on 5G. And I just had a report from the minister.
	It was in Tag Spiegel today in Germany.
	They're not going to allow 5G to be rolled out until it's fully risk assessed and safety standardised.
	Well, they never do that because of webbing.
	However, they already have 5G. So they're saying that they're not going to have it.
	They're not going to roll it out.
	It's already rolled out.
	They've already had it rolled out on top of them.
	In fact, we just had a report in California.
	I'm pretty sure that it's the 5G network.
	An EMP, possibly, weapon system, because obviously all these antennas, if you set them all off with some very clever technical software, you can actually cause an EMP. So that's an electromagnetic pulse and that can take down and actually burst into flames or break down at the building where you'll actually see an explosion.
	So you'll actually explode the building with that and I'm pretty sure that's what we saw in Paradise, something very similar where the smart meters basically just exploded in the homes and took the whole house out because obviously those homes are full of Microwave radiation that actually breaks down the fabric of a building.
	So when you get an ignition, and I think that's what we're seeing in South Korea at the moment.
	Well, along those lines, let me say that I have back channel witnesses and sources, and one in particular that lives in Thailand has told me that it's already been rolled out in China.
	It's been rolled out in Japan and Asia.
	And that Asia is electing to go full speed ahead with it.
	That's at least his information.
	Now, he lives in Thailand.
	And he has said that I believe North Korea is fully...
	On board and experiencing, I guess, 5G at this time.
	I don't know.
	And there are other places as well.
	Airports.
	LAX has been cited as a place where 5G is probably operational at this time.
	I wouldn't be surprised if Heathrow wasn't on that list as well.
	So these are some of the sites I know of.
	I know 80 cities in the United States.
	There was a news item about a week ago that are throwing into question whether or not they're going to allow 5G in their cities.
	The North Korea issue, I don't think North Korea have it at all.
	I don't think that's stupid.
	It's one of the countries that actually have stayed away from this type of technology.
	Microwave radiation in air I think it's pretty questionable to see what's actually going on there.
	Okay.
	Anyone else want to contribute?
	I just can't think of the North Koreans saying to the Chinese that the Chinese are the ones that got all the equipment.
	Yeah, we'll take your equipment.
	I mean, it's like you say, Mark, I don't think they're that stupid.
	You have to understand the North Koreans are under the Chinese, the rule of the Chinese.
	They are actually...
	Under the control of the Chinese.
	So it's just for...
	As far as my global political information that I get from very sophisticated witnesses, let me say.
	So, all right.
	Now, I am looking to see if there's any other questions.
	I think we do kind of want to commandeer and slow this down and let...
	Actually go close this down, but I do want to allow, maybe, how about closing statements?
	Maybe that's the way to go.
	I'm looking to see if there's anything.
	Somebody wants to know, why is the leader of the ITNG sit on a golden throne, and why a peacock?
	So I guess they're objecting to some of the imagery.
	I do.
	I don't understand that kind of reductive and stupid question.
	So if it's couched in an intelligent way, I'd be happy to answer it.
	Okay.
	Let's see.
	And these are just typed questions, so I don't really have a way to enlist the person rewrites the question in any other way.
	Okay.
	Somebody's putting LB Smart, Secret Militarized Armaments Residential Technology.
	That's just a comment.
	I'm just looking quickly to see if there are any other statements here.
	Okay, so I'm not seeing any direct questions coming across, at least very recently.
	So why don't we go around, have closing statements, and then we'll actually close this down.
	I did want to keep it under two hours, if at all possible.
	So we're still in that vicinity, just because people tend not to stay tuned to something longer than that.
	So let's start with Michael.
	Okay.
	I do want to say, Kerry, that, of course, I expressed myself vehemently and emotionally on the pedophilia question.
	And I don't mean to imply that that is something that you are going light on or that, you know, and particularly your point that this is not an either-or.
	I do think that, you know, on the human level, This is something that we need to...
	Because, of course, the normalization of pedophilia is part of the transhumanist agenda.
	I happen to know personally a woman in Los Angeles who was a survivor of the elite pedophilia rings in Europe who heard her perpetrator at a high level of the European government in her hearing when she was 11 years old.
	This is in probably the 70s, talking about how They would use the sexual revolution and the growing acceptance of alternate lifestyles to normalize pedophilia, and this is what we see happening.
	So, as you know, I'm very passionate about that.
	I would like to echo in my closing here what Sasha was talking about, of to be able to see the dark clearly in all its horror, And to shine that same light within ourselves in our own darkness and to move into the new, to move into that vibration and frequency and bandwidth where we step out of the dark timeline.
	Because as I said, when I first came on Project Camelot again a couple of months ago, the title of our talk was Ascension in 5G. And that is essentially a timeline battle.
	And to be able to hold a clear perception of the dark in all the detail, while as Satya is doing with his New Earth work in the New Earth University, and many others around the world are doing, to move forward in the full realization of our divine potential,
	and to have so many pockets of light popping up all over the planet that, you know, nanosatellites, thousands, you know, We're not able to suppress the light.
	We'll not be able to suppress.
	It's simply logistically to suppress that many points of light and then it's game over.
	So that's my closing.
	Thank you so much for having me on and for having this wonderful conversation.
	Absolutely.
	Nancy?
	Well, first off, I would like to ask you to go take a look at 5G-NO, K-N-O-W.com, where we're going to try to keep up.
	We're going to try to figure out, you know, get the sanity into this insane situation so that it's not just stories after story that are turning out to be really bogus.
	Some of the things we talk about that we thought were real or not.
	And the deeper I get into it, the more I'm like, oh, yeah, okay, got it.
	But we're going to try, Michael and I and Sasha and Mark will be trying to get the real truth out, not what all the...
	Because if you start to go after a story, it disappears on you.
	We need to know what the truth is and so that you feel comfortable coming to us knowing that we're going to give you the best truth that we can at that time.
	We're not trying to organize.
	We don't have to organize.
	We're so strong we don't even have to go to war.
	We just have to come together.
	And please, go see Sasha.
	Get Sasha's movie.
	Look at it.
	You know, share it.
	Get it out there to people.
	It's an incredible, very succinct presentation of something that's pretty awful, but you get through it and you go, oh, those people are insane, because that's what you come away with, that the people behind all this are really psychopaths or sociopaths or just ignorant people.
	You know, they don't know.
	And our job should be to give them permission to do the right thing, an excuse maybe to do the right thing, but permission to do the right thing.
	And Mark, I really would like you to go to Mark's group, and I'm going to tell you about the group, and please donate some money to this group.
	Because It's energy.
	Money is energy.
	You're just giving your energy.
	You're saying, I believe enough in these people.
	And please don't, when you see something about Mark being awful, he's not awful.
	They're just targeting him with statements and stories so that you think that he's going to scam you.
	My God, the man is not a scammer.
	He is a dad, a granddaddy, somebody that saw a problem and had the guts to stand up.
	And please, just throw them some money.
	I'll say the exchange rate, it sucks right now, Mark.
	You asked a pound, but please, give until it hurts, because your life depends on it, literally.
	That Mark's voice be heard, Sasha's voice be heard, all of our voices be heard.
	So, back to you, Carrie.
	Okay, great.
	Thank you very much, and thank you for joining us.
	All right, Sasha.
	Yeah, thank you, Nancy.
	Those lovely words.
	Mark is definitely my favorite northern git on the planet.
	He's a granddad, and he's a mucker, and he's a mate, and I've spent good time with him, and he's guested at my home on a few occasions in the last few months, and I love the man unreservedly.
	And I've learned so very much from him, and if anyone takes a pot shot at Mark, watch out, because I'll pull my broadsword out and remove your shoulders.
	I am done dealing with trolls.
	I am done dealing with own side foot soldiers throwing rocks at our heads as frontline activists.
	I am sick to death of armchair pundits who dare to reach out and comment and send in innocuous, vapid, reductive questions to people like us who have clearly proven, Kerry, you've been at this such a long time.
	I've been at it 21 years.
	I remember the day I began my activism work.
	I have not stopped, unabated.
	Since that time, I've never charged a cent for anything I've ever done, ever.
	I've not invoiced anybody in 21 years.
	That must mean that the queen is my auntie and I'm financed by the crown, instead I'm a Vatican agent.
	Clearly, I sit on a golden throne, blah, blah, blah.
	Anyway, all of that notwithstanding, it is all about this Being human and engaging our divine witness and our divine flame, moving into coherence with the highest expression that we're capable of and becoming the manifestor of destiny.
	I would say that the process of stewardship right now is integral, is essential, and that's why I was beginning earlier to argue somewhat about the need to try to reclaim some of the infrastructure that we've got.
	And if that means some of the executive...
	And judicial arms of what we call government, which we all know is a mind-control technology.
	As we move into the new paradigm, then let's repurpose as much of the infrastructure that we can intelligently.
	And the only reason I say that, I'm an anarchist, and I'm the worst kind of bohemian anarchist, because I have such disrespect for anything that calls itself authority.
	But I've also learned in my middle years, I've learned that maverick, reductive, reactive responses to things, based on my psycho-emotional response, oftentimes brings out the very worst outcome.
	So if we just want to tear down the citadel and set fire to governments and tear down the Vatican, do what you like to that enterprise, tear that thing down.
	But I'd say that there is much of the infrastructure of policing, and I despise policing and the business of wearing costumes.
	It's the ultimate fiction.
	But there is a period in which we are going to require some kind of civility, some kind of temperance as we transition from an old, draconian, parasitic, pedophilic enterprise that has gone on for thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of years, as we now move into...
	The new quantum of the sovereign, ineffable, imminent human.
	There is going to be a lot of collateral damage and a lot of death and destruction and pain and sorrow unless we engage the process of stewardship.
	Of that Rubicon that we're traversing.
	So that's the word I want to leave this wonderful roundtable with, that each one of us, especially the armchair pundit, who does nothing more than simply press a button on YouTube and watch and eat popcorn.
	And that can be a powerful agent for change, provided you're in harmony with your higher expression, your higher truth.
	Each of us need to be present and be a steward of the new, of the ushering in the new.
	Absolutely.
	And as always, well said.
	And hopefully, that's exactly what we're doing here.
	And in fact, not even just hopefully, but actually, as a matter of fact.
	Now, I have...
	Thank you.
	us today.
	She did contribute this clip, which I'm, I hesitate to play because I don't want to get a YouTube, uh, rights issue to interfere with posting this on the internet.
	Uh, and so basically, um, we've got Tom Wheeler of the FCC and you can go on the internet and find this, um, ignoring a reporter's health concern and, uh, speaking, uh, in nine minutes, uh, basically in this video.
	So then she's suggesting you only watch to a certain point, which I'm trying to actually put it into the chat, but interestingly, it's not letting me.
	Not sure why.
	So, okay.
	Well, at any rate, I tried.
	Maybe I'll put that on this page, and so you can see, or you can just look up FCC chairman in some statement or other.
	This guy has made...
	If I missed it quickly...
	Yeah, if I missed it quickly, Carrie, there is a clip of Tom Wheeler at the opening of Sasha's film, 5G Apocalypse...
	That's right, yeah.
	...of Tom Wheeler that is every bit as devastating as you could ask for.
	So, one more pitch for everyone...
	Look it up on YouTube.
	5G apocalypse, such as stunning documentary on 5G. Exactly.
	Very good.
	So go ahead.
	Now we're at Mark Steele.
	Please, Mark.
	Well, that's, you know, I just like being great again, just having a chat about the whole thing.
	What I'd like to say to everybody, 5G, 24 carat runway.
	For all the wrongs that have ever been wrong to mankind over the thousands of years, 5G is the key.
	Absolutely.
	Because they have broken every single contract, every single law that was ever laid down constitutionally, etc.
	This is a weapons system that we've discovered that they've rolled out on top of us.
	We are far too early.
	Fortunately for me, Engated for some inexplicable reason.
	I live in an area where they're testing it.
	And unfortunately, some hapless electrician wanted to throw one at me for some bizarre reason.
	So we're now, you know, the cat's out the bag.
	Well, I'm saying to everybody, it's time to wake up.
	Absolutely wake up.
	Take action.
	Because these lots are trying to kill you.
	Absolutely trying to kill you.
	All right.
	Thank you very much.
	Well, thank you, everyone.
	It's been a wonderful discussion, in my view.
	And I think that the audience, I can say, I've been trying to keep an eye on the chat room here and there.
	And I can tell you that the comments have also reflected that.
	So that's very good news.
	And obviously, other roundtables need to be had around the world.
	In other words, we need to not drop the discussion.
	We need to keep the ball rolling.
	We need to keep talking about it and educating each other, updating each other with news, and staying on top of this situation.
	So thank you, everyone, for participating both on the panel and in the audience.
	And let's move forward.
	Thank you, Kerry.
	All right.
	Thank you so much, Kerry.
	Okay, so now let me figure out how best to shut this down gracefully, because that's always a big, huge problem.
	So, okay, I think I've got that.
	So everyone is off the thing here, and what we can do here is...
	I'm going to put on the credits and thank everyone for watching and let everyone go their way.

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