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Sept. 6, 2018 - Project Camelot

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ALIEN PROTOCOLS - BUDDY RE LEAKS FROM TO THE STARS

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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Hi, everyone.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy to be here today.
	It's been absolutely crazy, very odd things going on, technically as usual, and my website has now been down for two days.
	If anyone can get a hold of my webmaster, I don't know what has happened, but he's disappeared completely and I can't seem to reach him via phone or any of the ways we have to connect with each other.
	He's in Ireland, so that's kind of desperate, as you can appreciate.
	Now, I have Buddy here, and we're going to be talking about some documents that he's been given, and also sort of what appears to be a more than convenient, I guess...
	Leak by Chris Mellon from To The Stars that happened momentarily online and certainly can't be accidental with these guys, so I would imagine it's quite purposeful.
	But for some reason, equally not accidental in my view, Alien Protocols, this individual that I'm going to be talking to, Buddy, And I have interviewed him once before, so if you're interested in getting sort of his history and so on, go back to the previous show, and it looks like he's got some kind of audio going on in the background.
	Maybe he can't hear us.
	Okay, so there you are.
	Buddy, we're going to bring you on the show here, just giving you a brief introduction, and thanks very much for coming on the show.
	Are you with us?
	I can hear you well.
	Okay.
	Well, we weren't hearing you then, but I think I can hear you now.
	go ahead circumstances with this bigger Chris Mellon Lee getting There are a few people talking about it.
	Okay, you know what?
	You are coming in and out.
	Is there something going on at your end?
	Do you have some extra windows open or something where the bandwidth is being affected?
	Double check to see if there's anything affecting...
	Okay, this is crazy.
	I think I might have to call you.
	I think I have you on WhatsApp.
	I might have to do it that way.
	Are you there?
	I can hear you clearly.
	I can hear you clearly on this side.
	Can you hear me okay?
	Now I can hear you, but you've been coming in and out, so all your sentences have been broken up to now.
	So if you can try that again, it says we've got a poor network connection.
	I guess...
	Let me see how many bars I have.
	I've got four bars.
	Let me just double check.
	Nothing else is on the background that could be taking up any time.
	Let me do that.
	All right.
	Now, you are coming through now, so maybe we can go ahead.
	Okay, let's go for it.
	Maybe what we should do is have you keep the video off on your end.
	Sorry for that.
	But if we have interference, you're going to have to turn your video off.
	Do you understand that?
	Absolutely.
	If it's working okay now, I can show some documents later or show them now or whatever.
	You can always send me the documents as well, and I can put them on my screen if necessary.
	Great.
	I'll put my video then.
	Okay.
	Well, leave it on for now.
	We can hear you, but then I'll let you know.
	I'll give you a sign.
	Obviously, if you're going to start breaking up, we won't be able to do that.
	All right.
	So let's move ahead.
	If you don't mind, I want you to just dive in as to how you got the first, I think it's your first group of documents, but maybe it's not, in whatever order, to describe the Chris Mellon leak, how you got those documents, and then other documents you seem to be getting as well.
	Yeah, it's kind of an interesting predicament.
	First, let's talk about the Chris Mellon documents, which in and of themselves are very historic documents.
	This is a very historic leak.
	It's a great consequences and I'm really stunned it's been out for weeks now.
	I think the leak happened on the 3rd of August or something.
	So it's like it's you know a month that this leak has happened to go and it hasn't been picked up by any major networks and you and Grant are the only ones to cover it as researchers and when it's literally one of the biggest UFO nuts and bolts stories in years.
	You know, it would seem that, you know, researchers would crave nuts and bolts of hard information for that specific value.
	Okay, now, someone would like us to explain who Chris Mellon, he's part of To the Stars Academy, and To the Stars is a disclosure effort started by Tom DeLonge in theory, but it really is a government op.
	Run by the CIA and specifically Ron Pandolfi, CIA. So can you explain where are these documents?
	Because my understanding is, yes, there was a leak, but then they disappeared again.
	Are the documents online at this moment?
	Can we send them through to the people to see them?
	Well, here's the interesting thing that happened.
	They were leaked from Chris Mellon's website.
	And whether they were hacked because of poor security or whether he made a mistake by clicking public instead of private, it's unknown.
	But the leak itself is fascinating.
	It is basically a congressional pitch pack.
	It's a group of documents and pictures and information designed to brief members of Congress, select members of Congress, in order to get funding for essentially weapons systems.
	And this next generation of technology-based On what they've observed empirically with the latest military sensors and stuff about these AAVs.
	And it's just through the AATIP program.
	So it's just the military encounters based on the military encounters.
	These documents basically say the scope of the program, the scope of the problem, the scope of the technologies demonstrated by these craft and what these group of people want to do.
	So essentially what's been happening is Chris Mellon, who is part of the government, and Louis Elizondo, who is the head of the ATIC program, and Harry Reid and others have been going around to select members of Congress with this briefing package, this folder that was leaked.
	And the folder contains a whole bunch of stuff.
	I've got it here on my iPad, and I'll just kind of show you a little bit of stuff and tell you as we're going through it.
	There's Louis Elizondo's resignation letter.
	Which in and of itself is a historic, historic document.
	This is a document, keep in mind, this is a guy who is admittedly the head of a UFO program, the head of it, who quit because of what he cites as bureaucratic snafus and an inability to do greater funding.
	But really, the real reason why he quit, technically, is his boss in the DOD was an evangelical Christian, and there was a lot of satanic implications about this stuff, and he just kept bucking heads with his boss over that.
	And that's really the reason.
	In fact, Chris, excuse me, Luis Elizondo, in his speech the other day, like three or four days ago, mentioned that one of his bosses was a problem, basically.
	And it's no secret that he ran into that problem a lot.
	So anyway, they were going around to Congress with this briefing package, these important people and witnesses saying, here's Lewis's resignation letter.
	This effort existed.
	Here's a report on the Tic Tac incident and other stuff, other incidents with empirical evidence.
	And here's what we think should be done.
	It's fascinating.
	Okay, now I'm going to give a little context here, and I've got a description that I would like to basically read that I happen to keep on hand.
	And so just stand by here.
	Chris Mellon is a former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence.
	Who has described the event where a UFO buzzed the supercarrier, as they called it, the USS Nimitz, and was photographed now called the Tic Tac event, tracked by radar, observed by several F-18 pilots and other Navy servicemen.
	So that's the summation in a really short way.
	Now, I have to say that ATIP, it was supposedly started, correct me if I'm wrong, sometime in 2012, was it?
	It only operated for a few years, rather recently.
	Correct.
	It actually operated, I have pictures of the slides, I think it was, I don't remember the exact dates, I think it was as early as 2007 is when it started.
	It started as the Advanced Something Weapons Program.
	So it had a different name based on aerospace weaponry.
	That's how they kind of couched this search for these AAVs, as they're calling them.
	But then it morphed.
	Once they more defined what they wanted to do within this program, then they changed the name to AATIP. So it's been basically going on for years.
	I'll have to review the documents again, but I think it's 2006, 2007 is when the AW, I forget the exact acronym.
	The backers behind this story, though, are basically Bob Bigelow, Harry Reid, the senator, and I'm not sure if Firmich was involved at that stage.
	Not at all.
	Okay.
	And the intelligence agencies, obviously.
	And then the Two of the Stars got put together and Elisando came over to the Two of the Stars.
	Exactly.
	Now, there's reason to believe that all of this, if you understand sort of my perspective and this perspective of The information I've gotten from my witnesses, which is basically that the secret space program has been going on since the 1940s, actually.
	And so some of this effort, and when they call AAVs just so people understand UFOs, they're just calling them different names.
	And that's, in my view, some of this could all be completely fabricated simply because they have to bring people up to speed, but they can't say that we've been in operation since the 1940s.
	They have to say that they actually started in some kind of reasonable time period.
	And Luis Alessandro's purpose, in part, was to highlight the fact that there was a danger, a threat, a possible threat.
	And he's done numerous videos on YouTube.
	You can watch his testimony there.
	To get up to speed on that.
	It's very disingenuous when you look at the actual encounters and other encounters and information that I have.
	And it shows time and time again, just because they have advanced technology does not mean they're a threat.
	In fact, their actions are just the opposite.
	Whenever we have tried to lock on active weapon systems to them, they use a very special type of, and it's very frustrating for I'm sure the military, a very special type of active selective jamming where they just strictly shut off the weapon systems tracking ability.
	All the avionics are fine.
	So when we try and attack them, they just shut off our weapons tracking.
	And that's a very benevolent act after someone's trying to attack you and then to leave.
	So I think to portray them as evil aliens and a threat is very disingenuous.
	Oh, actually, okay.
	No, wait, wait, wait.
	I'm going to disagree completely on this.
	So according to my information and the...
	The actual missing humans from the planet, etc.
	There is a very diabolical side to the alien intervention on planet Earth.
	And in fact, this is part of the cover-up.
	I appreciate what you're saying.
	Of course, Bob Dean, who is a very excellent witness from a long time ago, also said that they would interfere with our avionics, etc., But pilots have been killed in the process, etc.
	So there's two sides to this story.
	I do understand people like yourself who choose to believe they are benevolent.
	However, all my evidence over the many years of my operations tells me the complete opposite.
	So we have not to say they're all bad, but we have a good hodgepodge of basically good and evil as above, so below.
	And I think you're naive if you think anything other than that.
	However, let's get back to the documents.
	And, you know, it's conceivable that, you know, there's so many stovepipes within the government, all these special access programs.
	You can be sure don't share information with each other.
	And there can be people, I'm sure, who are in a smaller stovepipe that's getting very tiny, triddling, you know, piddling funding being frustrated, too.
	and I think that's a possibility here as well. - Okay, not sure what's going on here.
	His video has frozen.
	Okay, hello?
	Hi, should I switch or kill the video?
	Yes, I think you better.
	I'm afraid that you did go off the air just then.
	So what you were trying to say that there were stove pipes in your view and so on.
	Certainly the right hand doesn't necessarily know what the left hand is doing, but there is ample evidence that Part of the reason for the secrecy is the fact that they have no control, that there is a diabolical side to this, and that the alien abductions and actually deaths of humans,
	the human body parts found on various UFOs that have crashed, etc., raise the alarm as well as, of course, the cattle mutilations, etc., So this is, and we know the notorious stories about Dulce, which are true.
	And so this is a huge story.
	But I don't want to get into sort of an argument with you on how much evidence there is that these people are, or beings, are in part heavily negative towards Earth.
	In fact, the Draco are very specifically negative towards Earth.
	The Reptilians as well, as the Greys who work with them.
	There are other species that may be benevolent towards us, and it's a good thing that they are.
	So at this point, let's dive into why you got involved in this story to begin with, in your view.
	Now, you started out with one mission.
	Sounds like you maybe are not continuing that one mission, and you've gone to another.
	No, that's not true.
	You know, our main mission of our My group is this education process of trying to have contact and capture it and educate the public about this phenomenon.
	And that mission has not changed and is not wavering.
	There is responsibilities when you get documents like this.
	If you're a decent person and you care about this world and our future, when you get documents like this, you have a moral responsibility and you have an ethical responsibility.
	And to the point you were making about different abilities that these crafts have, there's a very startling section in this report.
	And this is the portion that, although they don't talk about a lot of the other things you were talking about, they do talk about some fears that they have and the things they were using to scare members of Congress.
	And they were things like psychotronic weapons, the ability of these crafts to penetrate solid surfaces, instantaneous sensor disassembly, Alteration and manipulation of biological organisms.
	Unique cognitive human interface experiences.
	They're talking about some very interesting stuff here.
	Not only that, they're also talking about the ability of these craft to basically operate in a military environment, a U.S. military environment, completely unhindered.
	We have no defenses against them, essentially.
	Okay, so this is, again, what you're quoting from, or paraphrasing, is from the documents that were leaked through Chris Mellon's website.
	Is that correct?
	Correct.
	And it's not just the TIC-TAC report, it's recommendations, it's observations, it's some of the stuff they got back from reviewing the very detailed images from the latest sensor equipment that the military has, from pods underneath, you know,
	jet fighters, and also even, and they don't mention this, the craft was going in and out of the water, and acoustically they left no signature, meaning the submarines and other ships Naval assets that had sonar could not track or even detect these craft in the water.
	So they have an ability to go, when they choose, undetected.
	Now, let me ask you, first of all, where are these documents?
	If you have them, why haven't you released them?
	I've released a lot of them.
	I released Luis Elizondo's resignation letter, which is a historic document, I believe.
	I think it's bullshit, but that's my point of view.
	Now, you've read it to me.
	You've shown it to me.
	One document out of how many?
	What do you mean?
	Well, you told me...
	Oh, how many documents are in that package?
	Yes.
	There's probably...
	For me, it's all digital, so I would say maybe 30 pages.
	40 pages, something like that, plus images, pictures.
	Okay, and now how many of those have you put out?
	I have only put out ones that did not have code names and contact information and call signs, and there's also a lot of researchers associated with this, and it has a lot of the personal phone numbers and information and stuff like that, so I felt a little uncomfortable releasing those I'm not the only person who has this leak.
	There's a guy named Jay who first tweeted them out on Twitter when Chris Mellon's site went down.
	And a few other people grabbed it at the same time, but nobody's talking about it.
	And the main reason why is because there's a lot of these code names and people's information.
	The document is packed not only with testimony about what happened and descriptions of sensors and equipment and descriptions of the craft, but also the people who analyzed it, the people who were involved in all of their inside information.
	So I could personally go through and redact that stuff.
	But at the same time, if I put something like that out, you know, as a human being, I don't want, you know, this, for example, there's an amazing woman who's a part of this project.
	And she has got a call sign and her call sign is new girl.
	And she's an amazing person from what I've read, and she obviously had to do a tremendous amount of sexism in the military, and this person now teaches at a military school.
	Okay, but what's that got to do with anything, you know, frankly?
	Well, that was a witness.
	That was a witness, one of the key witnesses in this situation, who has not come out yet.
	Okay, she's a witness, meaning she's talked about in the documents?
	Correct, and she saw the craft.
	Okay, but if she already has a code name, you don't have her real name there.
	Is that correct?
	No, I have her real name.
	I have her real name and her phone number and multiple phone numbers.
	So you could redact that information and still put the information out?
	I think so.
	I think I could.
	Okay, no, I mean, in the interest of disclosure, now, you have to decide whether or not, indeed, he was hacked.
	This guy, Chris Mellon, was hacked.
	Let's see, former Department of Defense.
	Unlikely that he has such poor sort of internet protocols that such a thing would happen, but, you know, look, anything can happen in the world.
	So...
	There's also foreign eyes.
	You know, they may have more resources than the average hacker.
	And you could see the motivation in foreign intelligence services or foreign hackers.
	If they're gone, if it's hacked, it's hacked.
	If it's out, it's out.
	In other words, that changes the playing field, in my opinion.
	Now, I can appreciate if you yourself want to sanitize them in such a way where personal phone numbers, et cetera, are removed.
	You know, that can be your personal choice.
	But in my view, what you're really talking about is sitting on documents that are actually out and other people have them.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Some people have them, but no one's releasing them.
	I think the number of people have it since it was out for only a brief seconds.
	Well, let me go on the record.
	Send them to me and I'll release them.
	I appreciate that.
	I mean, that's a fact.
	Listen, this is interesting.
	Now, you didn't answer my question directly, so you have not explained how is it that you have become the recipient of this serendipity, because it sort of defies the belief.
	It's the kind of thing that intelligence does all the time.
	Well, it gets even worse, Carrie.
	It gets even worse.
	About a week before this, a little bit more than a week, I received two only what I could call old-school manila envelopes.
	And with the red string, you know, that has two buttons on it, and they go down.
	I remember when I see my dad used to have these back in the day.
	In like the 80s.
	And they were packed, packed, packed with paper.
	They were left for me on my vehicle, and I saw the person, dropped them on my...
	The person saw me approaching, dropped them on my vehicle, and just got in the passenger seat of a car and didn't zoom off, but left that in a, you know, good clip.
	And I didn't quite know at first for certain it was my vehicle because, you know, the cars are parked in a line.
	And so I got a bunch of these in separate documents, and those...
	A couple, two different people have done, who are document experts, some research on the ones I felt comfortable releasing first, just as kind of a test.
	And they came back and said that they were, you know, legitimate documents.
	I don't know what that means.
	You know, I'm not a document guy.
	I don't freaking know, you know, what's...
	You know, I can only operate on logic and very limited tools.
	I'm just a guy.
	And to go back to your question about why me, the leak was just something that I kind of, you know, maybe...
	The way I acquired it was maybe someone did force them on me.
	And the other is the same way.
	Well, no, I mean, let me ask you point blank.
	Are you working for someone?
	Of course not.
	Of course not.
	Okay, now why not?
	Are you an unknown?
	Are you unbeknownst?
	You have relationships with Jack Sarpati.
	Ron Pandolfi has been in touch with you.
	Why have they chosen you?
	In fact, he told me, Ron said that he was going to send a team out to capture me.
	And I said to him that you can't because those documents were leaked into the public domain, but I'm going to send the fashion police after you to cut your man stallion tail, ponytail, confiscate your man purse and your man sandals.
	You've actually been to a party at Ron's house, isn't that right?
	No!
	Gosh, no.
	I've never been to Ron's house.
	I am in no way...
	The only person I'm friendly with is Dan.
	I've spoken to Dan because of his site.
	Someone researching was guided to go check out the site.
	I know Dan.
	Ron reached out to me the first time through Dan, upset that I had A bunch of firmage information and insights into firmage and had done an interview.
	Okay, so you have a couple friends.
	We know you have Jack Sarfati as a friend.
	You've been in touch with Ron, I don't know for how long.
	Who else in the community are you?
	You know, in other words, you're kind of a new guy on the block, but you kind of, you got up to speed quite quickly.
	Although, you know, with all due respect that you still are a bit naive.
	What is it that brought you up to speed so quickly?
	Do you know?
	I think basically what it is is I don't want to You know, I'm a remote viewer, and I've got some things that I do in terms of that stuff.
	And I think that kind of broke the surface for me in a lot of ways.
	And a lot of connections just happened serendipitously and strangely.
	And things kind of came together.
	Then other people would say, hey, you need to talk to this guy.
	And this guy would connect me with this person.
	And it kind of went like a ping pong.
	Okay, when did it start?
	When did it start?
	For me, you know, it basically started when I was six was my first experience.
	Okay, but no, let's talk about when you're an adult and you're getting sort of this kind of information.
	Because you haven't been on the radar of the UFO community, whatever you want to call that, forever.
	You've been out for what, one year or something like that?
	I've been open one year and then in that only like four months have I been unmasked.
	You remember me when I first wore the mask and you and I were chatting.
	That's right.
	Exactly.
	Now, let me ask you this.
	What about your team?
	You've got a team.
	Supposedly, you've got a team behind you.
	I mean, we're going to have to take your word for it because they're not coming forward.
	But let's say you have a team and those people are also remote viewers.
	Who are they?
	Are they someone who are in the know?
	No.
	They're far less in the know than I. They are just good human beings who care about disclosure.
	They care about the future.
	They care about enlightenment.
	And they attach themselves to the goals that are attached around this project.
	And the main goals around this project are this education contact campaign.
	And this document thing got thrust kind of upon us.
	And it's not a responsibility that I relish.
	I could just Say nothing.
	The only reason why I've come out of the woodwork, despite It's not.
	I basically had a professional career.
	I was a creative director.
	I'm an experiencer, and I started this project.
	I felt compelled to do this project now based on my experiences and the experiences I've been having at my farm, very intense experiences, and doing my CE5 group and doing my remote viewing stuff, and things just kind of snowballed.
	When you say CE5, you work with Stephen Greer?
	No, no, I don't.
	I just use those principles and try to take them to the next level to try and make contact not so distant, but a lot closer.
	And we have, you know, a lot of video.
	Recently, we just got two weeks ago a video of a really close-up video, two minutes of a craft, and it's been analyzed by four different analysts.
	One is not complete with their analysis, but show that it moves under its own power and it's got a field around it.
	And it has a heat plume coming off of it, and it's this bean-shaped craft that's been observed that has a shape-shifting ability numerous times.
	It was above me at the emergency room.
	When I was going into the emergency room, I was a presenter for the first time at a UFO event thing in Joshua Tree, and I got sick at the end, really sick.
	Well, that's because they actually send electronic pulses at the audience.
	This is very common.
	Yeah, I got it.
	And so I've just been an experiencer and this thing kind of ramped up.
	I said, you know, I'm going to come out.
	And then my corporate job kind of collapsed.
	So I was like, you know, I don't care about the corporate world.
	I want to do this full time now.
	This is my passion.
	This is what I love doing.
	This is what I was meant to do.
	And so, you know, I can understand people thinking I came out of the woodwork.
	But I've been, you know, six year old.
	I had my first experience.
	Then again, at 13, I had a very significant life changing experience.
	I used to talk with Bill Moore as this young little turdy kid.
	Who, you know, snotty kid trying to understand the phenomena.
	You know, 15 years ago, I shot a documentary on Mel's.
	Slow, slow, slow down.
	Bill Moore is a CIA agent and even self-professed.
	If you don't know that, you know, come on, come on, come on.
	Have you read Behold a Pale Horse by William Cooper?
	No, I haven't read any of that.
	Okay, you need to.
	Listen, you know, Bill Moore, the whole history is very long, very extensive, but bottom line is he came out, he actually apologized to the UFO community for being a disinfo agent.
	I mean, he did a public apology.
	So you're talking about dealing with Bill Moore when you were how old?
	Like maybe 14, 13, 14, yeah.
	Okay, now why did you know him when you were 13 or 14?
	Well, I was an experiencer, so I wanted to get some understanding.
	You know, what was this thing that I saw so close?
	What was it doing?
	Why, you know?
	So what did you do?
	Contact MUFON? How did you get in touch with Bill Moore?
	I can't remember, but I remember, you know, the phone calls.
	I've had several phone calls over maybe a six-month period, so maybe like five, six phone calls.
	And I think maybe, you know, I don't know.
	Bill Moore called you?
	No, I reached out to him originally, that's my recollection, saying this is, you know, I'm this little kid and this is what's been happening, you know, what's the deal?
	Oh, so they've been tracking you for a while.
	Okay, so anybody else whose name we might know?
	There's some names, but I don't want to mention them.
	You know what I mean?
	I don't want to be a name dropper, but I have been kind of bounced around by some of these personalities a little bit.
	And I think maybe, you know, afterwards I found out like, wow, I heard this horrible story about this person or amazing story about this person or, oh my gosh, this person was involved in this program I should have known about or this, that, the other.
	So, you know.
	That sort of thing.
	But I assure you and I guarantee and I promise to everyone I'm not any sort of agent.
	I work strictly.
	My boss is the biosphere.
	My allegiance is to the planet.
	I have a lifetime of social justice causes from fighting for cats to occupy Wall Street to, I mean, just everything.
	My mother was a social rights warrior and So it's in the blood.
	It's in the family.
	Fair enough.
	I don't do this for money because you know there's no money.
	It costs a lot.
	In fact, not to have my corporate position and to do this as much as I'm doing it is a very costly thing, but there's a moral imperative.
	I believe.
	I may be naive, but these documents are history, and the people have a right to make up their own mind.
	Whether they think it's fake, or they believe some conspiracy, or whatever they believe, they've got the right to make up their own mind.
	Are you saying two manila envelopes filled with documents?
	Correct.
	Is that the sum total of the documents?
	Correct.
	That's the sum total.
	If you believe people have a right to know, why don't you release all of them?
	Kerry, I am not completely, I am naive in many ways, but I'm not completely stupid.
	I had a suspicion, and I got a little bit of legal counsel perspective on this, that if receiving all of this stuff, not of my own active means, is fine.
	But if I knowingly distribute stamped classified material, that is a crime.
	If any of this is in public domain.
	Yeah, no, I appreciate that.
	And, you know, we've had some off-the-record conversations in the past.
	And there's a clever way.
	There's clever ways to get around that.
	There is.
	There is.
	Now, what I want to know, because, you know, I actually, Eddie Page gave me a bunch of documents that had some suspicious, you know, top-secret stamps on them.
	And I asked him, look, why didn't you release them yourself?
	And he basically never answered the question.
	And in essence, left them to me to release.
	So that made me suspicious because now you got to look at the situation here because it's quite interesting for people.
	I want them to kind of wrap their minds around this.
	This is a game, okay?
	This thing we call disclosure and telling the truth to the public after we have been lied to for so long, okay?
	So they have a reason for wanting to disclose a certain amount but to keep most of the story sort of hidden and to spin it the way they want it to go.
	Now, if they're giving an individual like this A very nice person, Buddy, who is, at least on all surface, for the surface, looks innocent enough.
	But he's received these documents now.
	He's worried about getting prosecuted for releasing them.
	And you have to say to yourself, well, if it has a top secret or above top secret stamp and it's talking about UFOs and such, then they are in a catch-22.
	You understand that it's possible.
	We're going to live in a world in the future where they can actually take you into court and And prosecute you.
	But right now, they can't do that.
	And I'll tell you why.
	The reason is because the same reason they didn't prosecute Gary McKinnon for the real reason that they actually threw him up against a wall legally and the excuse became Asperger's.
	The real excuse is that they can't go into court with a hacker or anyone else and argue that UFOs are real and therefore the documents have meaning.
	You see, they can't say that because that would be disclosure, okay?
	And that would be in the public record.
	So they're in a catch-22 right now with this kind of thing.
	So you can appreciate, I don't think that they can prosecute you or me, actually, for something marked above top secret, etc., without saying that the content of the document is true, is real.
	Exactly.
	I've had a lot of different advice.
	Some people said, you know, if you turn over the documents, then you'll find out.
	You know?
	A lot of screwy advice from people.
	Okay, and you know, I mean, look, you could give them to WikiLeaks and see what happens.
	Sure, but Julian Assange has a very good relationship with Ron, as you know.
	He put out all those tweets on Ron's behalf against To The Stars when To The Stars first came out saying they're all Scientologists and It would be a good test, though, I have to say, to find out whether Assange is really working for the Mossad.
	If you know what's in the documents, you're going to have a copy anyway.
	You could go public and say, look, I gave them to WikiLeaks and they never saw the light of day.
	That would be basically outing them.
	Yes.
	As to the limit, you could do the same thing with Edward Snowden because he, some people call him Snowbird, is also possibly a limited hangout.
	In fact, very likely.
	And he himself has been helped.
	You could send them to him since you have all these really interesting contacts.
	And if he doesn't release them, then you actually have outed who he really is and who he's working for.
	If you see my drift.
	Oh, yeah.
	There's a multi...
	I hadn't thought of the ability to test sources that way and test people that way.
	Why don't you give them to Stanton Friedman, who claims he's not CIA, and see what he does with them?
	Well, the interesting thing was just on the Chris Mellon leak, on everything, Ron said that they were all fake.
	Definitely all fake.
	So, of course, that means if you know Ron speak, that means they're real, for sure.
	Well, maybe it doesn't.
	Maybe it doesn't.
	You know, in other words, it could be a mixture.
	But I agree with you.
	Ron is sort of hell-bent to put out disinfo, but he's always trying to play both sides of the street.
	Mm-hmm.
	You know, you can't kind of cut and dry it quite so simply as saying, oh, they're true because Ron says they're not.
	Oh, no.
	And I've had, you know, two documented people.
	And ultimately, you know, I've come to the conclusion I just want the people to make their own decision.
	Okay, well, put them out.
	Listen, you know, send them to Patrick Gamalai.
	Don't doubt my desire and ability.
	You know, it might not be the wisest thing to mention all my methods or procedures or notions.
	All right, fair, fair.
	To tilt my hand, but rest assured I've got two options.
	All right.
	One is to destroy them and kill whoever's plan who wants to turn me into the next pigeon, you know, like from the aviary.
	I don't want to be a pigeon.
	I don't want to be document boy for anyone's soft disclosure.
	So I could either destroy them and squash their plan or two, somehow cleverly see that the public gets to make their own decision.
	If I were you, I'm just going to give you upfront advice right here.
	Now I'm going to say clean off the addresses and phone numbers, not necessarily the names, and put them out there and let the people do with them what they will.
	There will be a great debate over it, I'm sure, whether certain people like Bob and Ryan Wood are very good at analyzing documents.
	Have you been in touch with them?
	No, but...
	I'm not sure if one of my sources utilized them or not, but it's possible I'll have to reach out to them and find out.
	All right.
	Well, maybe they'll hear this show, but certainly they were notorious for...
	They have a website called MajesticDocuments.com, I believe it's called.
	And there's also the Black Vault.
	Yeah, and I really have a lot of respect for him as well, too.
	So there's a lot of options, and I wanted to make my...
	there's like an order battle plan in my brain that I kind of put together.
	One is make myself safe first and then ensure that one of those things.
	If you move, you know, this would make you safe.
	If you move the documents along past you, you're a gatekeeper at this point.
	If you move them past you, you're safe at that point.
	Yeah.
	And rest assured, I will also circle back to you, you know, when we're not online and communicating and get some more of your thoughts, because just that, that tester thought on, that's just a valuable information to know just for, for, for a bunch of different reasons, you know, to know if Snowden and WikiLeaks for a bunch of different reasons, you know, to know if Snowden and WikiLeaks are still in play Yeah, or, you know, another person you can out is Alex Jones.
	Send him Alex Jones, see what he does with it.
	You know, it's always interesting to find out what, you know, send him to Grant Cameron, see if he's really on the up and up.
	Grant was the first one to grab onto the story and say, okay, I'll look at it, I'll I reached out to Richard Dolan a bunch of times.
	He's a big document guy.
	I reached out to him a bunch of times.
	Crickets.
	I reached out to Linda.
	Crickets.
	What does crickets mean?
	I mean, nothing.
	I heard cricket, cricket, cricket, like tumbleweeds.
	I heard nothing.
	Okay, yeah.
	Well, Rich Dolan is playing the safe game nowadays, I understand.
	Linda Monhal, well, she's got a kind of interesting past that indicates that she was dealing with CIA, DIA, etc.
	I was so disappointed because I really respect them as researchers.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I do too.
	And hard nuts and bolts kind of people.
	But before we go too long, I do want to hypothetically talk about, hypothetically, potentially what might be in some of these.
	I think that might be interesting.
	All right, go ahead.
	If you don't want me to jump on you, then just don't say that they're real, okay?
	Because we would need to stay in that middle ground and kind of look at them a bit objectively.
	Absolutely.
	They could easily be bait.
	They could easily be fake.
	They could easily be bullshit.
	It could be any number of things.
	And I'm not knowledgeable enough to make the final determination.
	I've got my own instincts and suspicions.
	Let me give you an example.
	When you told me about the Luis Elizondo letter of resignation, what did I say to you?
	I said, it sounds like he wrote it, but actually it sounds like it's a facsimile of something he really did write.
	That this is the reason they tapped him for To The Stars.
	That they noticed there was a guy who was discontented by some kind of information, things that went on behind the scenes.
	This could just be a role he's playing.
	These guys, look, they go to movies like anyone else.
	They are actors like anyone else.
	They can play a role.
	His role is supposed to be that he became disgruntled and then he went out He's trying to say that if you have an intruder in your house, this is his metaphor, that you would be worried about what the intruder was there for.
	So this is his point of view on UFOs.
	You need to be cautious, etc.
	Now, all these guys are covering up the real truth.
	The real truth is...
	We have a secret space program.
	We have bases on the moon and Mars.
	We are going to other planets.
	We are going to interstellar.
	Now, they know this.
	They're not stupid.
	They know at least as much as I do, right?
	And that goes for Elon Musk and Joe Firmage and all these people, Bigelow and so on.
	And we know that, for example, Two of the Stars recently got funded to the tune of $500 million, if I remember the price, It's not that much money in their world, but from the sound of the public, that's going to sound like something.
	And that became part, I've got, I guess it was Melinda Leslie who disclosed this information.
	And it comes by way of the people that they're working with.
	And she's an approved leaker.
	She's been chosen by at least like semi-van is her contact.
	So this is the kind of thing going on.
	They're choosing certain individuals to leak to.
	You're chosen.
	And now I'm going to give you the platform to go right ahead and talk about the documents.
	You know, also, I just want to just throw it out there, too, that, you know, I think and over time that, you know, To the Stars really has become a Financial lobby for getting more weaponry.
	Essentially, they're saying that it's a threat.
	They're going in the halls of Congress saying, you know, we need money to check out these different technologies to create these horrible weapons.
	They're essentially like war-mongering weapons.
	And there's very few peace lobbyists in the halls of Congress.
	There's very few people, you know, doing the opposite side.
	And it's very disheartening because this next level of weapons, imagine weapons that could do what the AABs could do.
	You know, wait lists.
	This has been done.
	This is science even delivered since the time of the Nazis.
	But let's not go into that.
	Tell me exactly what the documents are, the overall, because I assume you've read most of them at this point.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Stuff from the earliest document was 1962, and it has everything from incidents, military reports of incidents, foreign countries, classified stuff from South America, from different countries, incidents.
	Like, one of the incidents was a whole bunch.
	I think it was over 30 small-ish craft incidents.
	Basically interrupted a whole air corridor in South America between Bolivia and Peru and screwed up everything at an airport and there's tons and tons of witnesses and all this stuff and documentation and pictures and radar tracks and all of this stuff.
	So that's like one incident.
	There's satellite pictures or spy plane pictures of What surely appear to be, you know, traditional-ish shaped saucers.
	There's documents, some that relate to other ATIP things that connect from 2002 an incident off of Alaska to the 2004 Nimitz incident off the west coast to some incidents in the Gulf and incidents in the Atlantic coast.
	And these are incidents where a whole bunch of these will tumble in from out of the sky They'll split off from each other.
	One will rendezvous with another craft, usually oftentimes in the water, and they do these little strange rendezvous between different sizes of craft, and this has been established.
	So I think there's a repeated, you know, at least in the documents, that's what they're trying to make this assertion of.
	And so it's a wide variety of stuff from...
	Uh, old kind of stuff that seemed more historic and I would think would be more public, you know, would have been out in the public already, but I looked for some of these images and I can't, definitely cannot see any of them.
	Um, but, and there, there are some innocuous stuff too, like newspaper clippings from the countries that back up the stories and, um, So a wide variety of stuff.
	Basically from 1962, I don't know what the most current document is.
	In fact, I was trying to figure that out yesterday and I couldn't really figure out when was the most recent one.
	But I think 2016 seems to be the most recent.
	So it's a lot of interesting, weird stuff and some physics and some math.
	Maybe it might be new math, might be new physics.
	There's a A chunk of that as well, too.
	And I think that stuff's important to go out to the science community.
	And so there's a lot of stuff here.
	You know, at the same time, too, it may sound corny.
	I do care about my country and I do care about national security to a certain degree, but I don't I think that people ultimately need to make up their own minds about stuff.
	Well, I mean, can you look at a document?
	Are you telling us that you're looking at documents that you think are basically going to disclose something the Russians don't already know, even in spite of the fact that the Russians are partners in the secret space program, which means they're top partners in technology, but...
	Don't let me distract you.
	I mean, in other words, are you reading something that you actually think legitimately could be something they don't know?
	I don't know, Carrie.
	I just don't know.
	I'm going to tell you that, look, have you read Rich Dolan's books?
	He documents the official sightings around the world, but basically in the United States mainly, going back.
	You know, at least this many years, if not more, and coming up to the present day.
	He's got three very thick volumes of documentation in this.
	Do you think that anything in there is going to shock any of us?
	Probably not at all.
	Probably not at all.
	And in fact, there's You know, there's a shoot-down program that goes radar station laser sight, radar station laser sight, radar station laser sight on the border of Peru and Bolivia.
	And it's been going on for 20 years, and there's a lot of corroboration on that story.
	And, you know, six months ago, before I was handed these, I wouldn't have believed that.
	I would have said, that's just ridiculous.
	And maybe it is ridiculous.
	Maybe it's all fake and it's forged.
	Okay, the shoot-down site to do what?
	Shoot-down UFOs?
	Yeah, I think it's like a trap.
	It's like if they come into that area, they're cornered and they get shot down.
	I mean, that's completely believable to me.
	In fact, Bob Dean said they were trying to shoot them.
	I mean, look, they've been trying to shoot down UFOs forever.
	In fact, there is reason to believe Roswell was such a case.
	But nonetheless, why wouldn't you shoot at something if you're military, you're trying to hide something?
	Now, what area of the world is that you're saying?
	That's in Peru and it's supposed to be working with several different governments and agencies.
	One of the agencies stunned me was the Department of Energy.
	The Department of Energy has an intelligence wing that I've since found out is in charge of making sure America stays on top in terms of all technologies and has technological superiority.
	So that kind of makes sense.
	But the Department of Energy was involved with their intelligence wing.
	Absolutely.
	Well, that's very well known to somebody like me.
	I can understand the person on the street might not know that information.
	Yeah, at first it made no sense to me.
	It seemed like I thought it was an error of acronyms or whatever.
	No, hiding in plain sight, that's kind of their way.
	So, all right, now you have these documents.
	You're kind of sitting on them.
	How long have you had them for?
	Yeah.
	Almost 30 days.
	Okay.
	So, you know, I'm going to speak on behalf of the people and just say you need to kind of like get them out there.
	I had to slowly carry and, you know, it's a process because especially I'm not, you know, the most legal savvy guy in the world.
	I had to get some consultation.
	I had to think of a plan.
	And as time passes, I hear things that are brilliant, like your suggestion about how to test some people.
	And I had to do something first to make sure that I'm safe.
	If someone comes banging on my doors and ripping my house apart, I'm going to be safe and fine.
	And then also preserve that stuff.
	So I had to do a few things first, you know, before, you know, and then everything is safe.
	And so the process, that was a crucial step, though.
	It may sound silly, but that's a crucial.
	It was a crucial step to me, you know.
	And then I just want to make sure it gets either one of two things happen.
	Either the public can make up their own mind or they get completely destroyed.
	And as you can tell already, I'm releasing this stuff slowly.
	So.
	Put together your own piece of what I'm going to do, but we'll see.
	I share your sentiment, Carrie, and I'm on the other side of the, you know, before I had these, I wanted them.
	You know, I wanted this inside information.
	Surprisingly.
	I wanted the knowledge, but not necessarily the paper.
	This is history.
	Even just the Chris Mellon stuff alone is history.
	And I'm stunned it's not a bigger news story.
	But it's because of what you say, the other programs and...
	You know, the fear about talking about this stuff.
	No, no, let's get down to it here.
	Why is it that you're saying you tried to reach out to Linda Moulton Howe and to Rich Dolan and you got nothing?
	Is that because they don't know who you are?
	That's probably it.
	But I said, even if you don't know who I am, reach out to Grant or just look at these, you know, look at the fact that Chris Mellon, that the leak is out there.
	Other people have talked about it.
	So that, you know, make up your own mind.
	Follow the logic trail.
	And, you know, this is...
	Documents.
	I mean, maybe they're fake.
	Maybe they're all reconstructed.
	Maybe they're bait.
	Maybe whatever.
	But this is what we look for.
	We look for proof and evidence.
	And also...
	Well, I'd not suggest you get in touch with Bob and Ryan Wood now.
	Bob Wood has been...
	He was involved with William...
	Gosh.
	Okay.
	I forget his last name.
	But anyway, you know, the witness that I interviewed who died recently or supposedly died.
	Oh, Tompkins.
	Tompkins, yes.
	And just too many names in my head.
	So what happens is he is also, you know, as always, as a lot of these people, he worked for...
	He's been at TRW for many, many years, and he is in the know himself.
	He's definitely going to look at something carefully.
	He's also under orders from the Navy, so he's going to do what he's told.
	But a lot of these people are going to do what they're told.
	In theory, some researchers don't have a leg to stand on.
	If they're not going to talk to you, they're not going to look at the documents, give you the time of day.
	So I'm going to put a call out right here now, a challenge out there for both Linda Moulton Howe and Rich Dolan, who supposedly care about this sort of thing.
	To step forward and take a look or at least have a conversation with you.
	This likes me.
	I'm weird.
	You know, as you say at the beginning, you're very suspect of me even after a couple calls and personal calls and that's justifiable.
	It is understandable.
	I mean, this is just normal.
	I wouldn't think anything.
	I mean, I don't care if you're working for someone, frankly.
	Most people are.
	You know, it's very rare when you get someone like myself who isn't.
	But I know that I swear to Jesus, I'm not.
	The list is very long, okay?
	The list is very long.
	And sometimes people work for people and don't realize that they are assets.
	They are, you know, that they've got a handler.
	You may not even know you're working for them.
	At one point, I could have been, and when I look back on it, some of the stuff I did with the, some of the stuff I do, remote viewing stuff, maybe I would have, was for a period of time.
	I might have been stupid, you know, that's conceivable.
	Okay, now, what about, let me ask you sort of an off-the-wall question.
	What about Chris Bledsoe?
	Because Chris Bledsoe is a guy who's gotten roped into To The Stars, a UFO contactee.
	Are you familiar with his story?
	I'm very familiar with the story.
	In fact, I kind of liked and respected him and thought of him as one of the most more respectable I've never spoken to him.
	But you know Dan, and Dan Smith supposedly threatened him.
	You heard that little story, right?
	Yes, I recently heard that Dan threatened to kill him or something like that.
	Okay, but Dan had to be mind controlled or off his fucking mind.
	That doesn't even sound like the Dan I've spoken to.
	No, it's nothing like the Dan I know of.
	And I've never had a conversation with Dan, but everything I know about him...
	It leads me to believe that it's hard to believe that he would threaten anyone.
	However, there is a movie deal that's been set up with Chris Bledsoe by Ron Pandolfi, a woman named Lori Wagner, and Tom Danheiser, who basically works with...
	George Norrie, in case you don't know that name, and they formed a production company and Chris Bledsoe has gone off the rocker and now thinks he's the Messiah, which is a typical mind control program.
	This all has been disclosed to me.
	I tried to motivate some certain people to Make contact.
	I made contact myself or attempted to, but didn't get any reply, as you call it, crickets.
	You know, so nothing happened, but this is what's going on.
	People need to realize that this situation is actually...
	Getting a bit diabolical, I would say.
	So we've got Bigelow, we've got Harry Reid, we've got Joe Firmage.
	These are teams, of course.
	They're not necessarily supposed to be working together, but they certainly know each other.
	Then you've got the whole team of To The Stars.
	You've got the team behind Firmage.
	You yourself have a team of undisclosed individuals.
	Can you tell us how many?
	They're basically the followers of my channel.
	As the channel grew, I had some friends from before that were like until Recording of the ET craft side and then I wanted to get scientists so I pulled some scientist guys together and then but they're not really active the real active part of the team is super sleuth and artsy dude who are just internet one's a creative director and the other is I don't want to say what that person's previous job was but it was in a very respectable position and
	they're just a Super Sleuth is a spiritual advisor of the group who does Reiki and runs the healing circles and is my RV partner.
	My buddies inside the group, they're just regular people, real people, no government affiliations.
	Okay, but you just told me they have links to Hollywood.
	Is that correct?
	Some of my buddies who are separate from them, yes, because I'm a creative director and I've been a stand-up comedian in my life.
	I'm very detectable.
	My life has been very...
	Okay, I find that hard to believe that you've been a comedian.
	I was told that recently because you don't really make me laugh very much, but I'll take your word.
	I'm not trying to, but I'll send you some videos.
	I've been on television shows.
	Very good.
	Okay.
	So they could be...
	One of the reasons they could be using you is because you're showbiz background.
	That might be a reveal right there.
	In other words, look at it.
	This is a disclosure of a kind.
	And, of course, they're trying various ways, right?
	So one of the ways is through Bledsoe.
	They're going to make a nice little movie with him if they ever get off the ground and stop threatening him.
	And if he doesn't completely lose his mind thinking he's Jesus...
	And they completely do a Paul Benowitz on him, making him absolutely, you know, basically suicidal, ultimately, because that's the end of that road.
	Everybody's warning me.
	I'm getting a lot of warnings from people in the know.
	I've been told by, like, Jack Sarfati was saying, the FBI is after you.
	You know, other people say, you know, they're sending teams after you.
	Dan at one point told me, said, yeah, they're sending a team after you.
	And, you know, this and the other.
	And other very well-known researchers have told me that you need to be very careful.
	You're not in a great position.
	Well, I don't know about that.
	I have to say they did the same thing.
	I'm not really worried.
	They did the same thing to Project Camelot back in the day, and we had all kinds of threats.
	And, you know, I'm still here.
	Now, they have made good on a few of their threats, but they didn't get very far.
	Because we have our defenders as well.
	We have people in both seen and unseen, I guess you might call it.
	We have friends, as Bob Dean would say, we have friends in high places.
	Thank God.
	You know, we've managed to survive this long.
	Anything else that you can tell us about, I guess, what's going on in your life, this disclosure, the people?
	You're having conversations.
	I get the impression you're having conversations daily with maybe some of these players, but others won't talk to you.
	Is that correct?
	It's interesting.
	Ron has told a few people, don't talk to Buddy.
	All right.
	And they usually race to me and tell me.
	And I'm blessed that I have the kind of relationships or whatever it is that the people come to me and tell me that.
	For example, I had that first hour and a half.
	I've spoken with Joe Firmish two times.
	The first time for like an hour and a half.
	And then the second time he said, Ron just told me I shouldn't speak to you.
	I wanted to talk to you.
	He spoke to me for two hours.
	And...
	So, it's interesting.
	There's only one or two people that he's told not to speak to me that have listened and not spoken to me.
	I have kind of this funny little non-fear.
	I'm not really afraid of the consequences of doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do.
	Whether this is all bullshit or not, there is a responsibility when you get these, an ethical responsibility.
	So I'm just trying to follow through on that.
	If you think the whole first two manila envelopes stuffed are bullshit because their bona fides or their provenance is shitty, that's fine.
	Just look at the Chris Mellon leak.
	It's historic.
	It's a briefing document.
	This is all the stuff that UFO researchers and stuff.
	You know, it just seems ludicrous that it hasn't been taken more seriously.
	It's a major...
	And it's history.
	I think it's UFO history.
	Time will prove that all of that stuff is major history.
	Okay.
	Now, do you have this stuff?
	Where have you...
	I know that I saw a sort of short video, but you were just sort of flashing the documents on the screen.
	It was impossible to really read them at that point.
	So where have you...
	Give me a URL to give the people here...
	Do you have a URL where they can go for the documents?
	They can go to the Alien Protocol's Twitter account, and some of them are up there, like you can see the Louis Elizondo document in the extended contract list with some of the things not mentioned by anybody on there.
	And those fields are very important to look at.
	These are contracts that have already been handed out by HAL put off to the top minds, mostly in the United States, from Northrop Grumman to Skunk Works to top scientists.
	On all these different fields from, you know, metamaterials to controlling multiple unmanned spacecraft with your mind.
	All sorts of crazy stuff that just seemed ludicrous.
	And those are in those contracts.
	No, that's not ludicrous at all.
	That's actually very normal.
	They've been training pilots, you know, training our pilots to do that for a very long time now.
	And lots of power source stuff.
	A-neutronic fusion.
	IEC fusion, something internal confinement, something effusion.
	I mean, all these very, very specific things.
	That contract list is fascinating.
	And the implications are they're going to weaponize all that stuff.
	They're not going to turn it into the coolest amusement park ride ever.
	It's going to be the worst, most horrific generation of weapons imaginable.
	Anti-gravity, invisible, undetectable, unstoppable, beyond hypersonic, you know, metamaterial weapons.
	That's been done.
	So I'm adding you to the protocol.
	I'm adding your protocols to my Twitter here, and I'm going to give this to everyone so that they can join your Twitter as well.
	And while I'm at it, you might as well join mine if you really want to stay in the know, of course.
	What's funny is we had our Twitter account up for like two months.
	It just weren't really operated.
	And yesterday I officially took it over.
	Yeah.
	It's going to be the platform for documents.
	YouTube's so cumbersome for documents, you know, of course.
	Okay, fair enough.
	So, let's see.
	Now, as far as...
	One of the things I noticed is that one of the reasons you might be impressed with certain things that other people, other researchers, kind of consider almost ho-hum, is that you're not as well-informed.
	I'm not sure what that sounds...
	Is that sound...
	Is that Ron trying to reach you?
	Hello?
	Yeah, that's really weird.
	My phone's making weird noises, so I don't know.
	It's literally making weird noises.
	It's vibrating without anything on the screen.
	Okay, well, obviously they're a little worried.
	Speaking of people not talking to you, people don't talk to me in droves.
	They're told to stay away.
	I'm told that they're told, just as you were, by certain loyal people behind the scenes, because I'm so dangerous.
	I do appreciate you wanting to talk with me, however, and sort of talk about this subject.
	I appreciate your time, Carrie, on and off the air.
	You give me really valuable advice, and you're not in this just for, you know, you're obviously not in this for money.
	If anyone knows how this situation works with UFO disclosure, you're obviously in this to do the right thing.
	Yeah, because we're really in dire straits right now.
	In fact, my webmaster has disappeared.
	My site has been down for almost two days.
	You could wonder which interview I'm doing are they freaking out over?
	You know, I never know because I've got so many.
	And any of them are as controversial as you could probably want to get.
	Listen, is there anything else going on?
	Let me ask you this on a more personal level.
	Do you consider yourself a targeted individual?
	Not really.
	I mean, I think because of this stuff, there's some weird interest or some weird thing going on.
	You know, different researchers, Grant said, you know, there's something weird going on with you.
	They're picking you for some reason.
	I don't even know if it's that.
	You know, I'm not really completely sure of anything.
	I don't want to cast judgment.
	I mean, I've made some mistakes in the past of associations and so forth, and I just kind of want to There's a division that people call this kind of field.
	One is the rat hole, and that's a lot of the material nuts and bolts and the CIA people and all the programs and all that stuff.
	And the other side is the rabbit hole, and that's with the experiencers and studying the phenomena and the power of the subconscious and the contact.
	I don't want to be in the rat hole.
	I want to flee naked from the rat hole back to the rabbit hole to my experiencer brothers and sisters, go back to making contact like I was doing at my farm and having...
	Wonderful results.
	And I go back to that side of it because, you know, the biosphere is what needs us.
	The planet's what needs us.
	These people don't need us.
	They've got enough resources and health.
	The planet's what needs us.
	We're in the middle of a mass freaking extinction, a mass extinction.
	Well, actually, that gets into a whole nother thing.
	This is a planned extinction.
	There's nothing natural about it.
	And more and more of my evidence points in that direction.
	So the planet may need you, but I think the people need you more.
	So that's just my two cents.
	What else is going to go on with you here?
	You have this one plan, you have a team, you're remote viewing, you're trying to get a craft to film, right?
	So that they're going to land and you're going to be able to film them and show the people.
	Isn't that right?
	Basically, yes.
	And also simultaneously measure with real scientific equipment for the first time.
	They tried to do that with NIDS at Skinwalker Ranch, but they didn't realize, all these smart scientists didn't realize the phenomena can read the mind, can read the powers of the subconscious.
	And if you were the phenomena, Carrie, if you were the phenomena at Skinwalker Ranch and a group of people came and were going to study you and learn from you how to make better weapons and you knew that was their main priority, would you play trickster or would you communicate with them?
	You would probably play trickster, too, or ignore them.
	Well, you just tell them to their face.
	You're not going to do business with them, which is what Eddie Page, by the way, is going to be on my show tomorrow, talking about this kind of thing, where the Pleiadians made an offer, but the humans, the deal was that they had to disarm themselves of the nuclear war.
	Energy.
	And they refuse to do so.
	Which is an interesting dilemma when you really think about it.
	Because if somebody tells you to disarm, that's not necessarily a good thing.
	No.
	So then you have to wonder what their agenda is actually in the end of the day.
	It's funny because part of my agenda, it's a growing sentiment that I have that I think space should not be weaponized.
	You know, this whole space force.
	And I know a lot of people have all these different beliefs about what's going on.
	Well, it's too late.
	It's too late.
	I mean, please don't be like Carol Rosen.
	Look, that ship has sailed, as they say.
	You know, the bottom line is you can walk around and say, you know, look, I come from the point of view of...
	Of Jim Morrison, you know, basically, you know, that's over with.
	You lost that battle a long time ago.
	They are trying to turn you into a race of cyborgs, which, if you listen to my interview with this former nun, Carrie Burser, who I talked to last night, With the nano and the chemtrails, etc.
	So the plan is afoot.
	You're not going to turn back the clock by walking around with a sign and a flower in your hand.
	That's really not going to happen.
	So I think a different approach is necessary at this point.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I appreciate the sentiment.
	I certainly appreciate the sentiment.
	I'm not a person who likes to carry a gun or anything, but...
	I do understand that there's a lot more to the story than I think meets the eye.
	Okay, now I want to see, is there anything else you want to talk about before I let you go?
	And I can ask the chat if they want to ask you questions.
	We can also do that.
	Any things that you have thought about that we haven't been able to touch on here?
	Well, I just think people should support you, one thing, because there's not a lot of platforms for people like me who are in this kind of a situation, and it's an important situation.
	Whether you believe it's all bullshit and fake and planned or whatever you believe it is, it's important for the people to have the right to make up their mind.
	And if real journalism or real First Amendment is about exactly what you're doing.
	You know, I think furthermore, people don't know that you are a really compassionate person behind the scenes.
	I know you're a tough investigator and I know you're tough with all the people, but also behind the scenes, you really care and you care about people.
	And I think people like you need to be supported.
	And whether, you know, I don't have the same, all the same beliefs as you do and all that stuff, but I think all of us as experiencers and researchers, we need to not divide each other.
	It's so easy to divide our community.
	We have more power when we unite.
	And uplift each other, even if we disagree.
	Fair enough.
	Because we're up against a military industrial complex and many other agencies and they're already trying to divide us very easily.
	So let's try and, you know, be part of the solution, you know.
	I appreciate that.
	Now, as far as your next steps, because people will be waiting now that this show goes out.
	So, you know, the pressure is on, so to speak.
	Yeah, well, we will see time.
	We'll reveal.
	We'll reveal documents, and time will also reveal.
	My project originally was independently financed.
	I was a creative director, so I was financing it on my own, and I had a deadline of actually the end of last month, August, to start some of our big events.
	We weren't able to do that because I was financing everything.
	I didn't want to take money from anyone because the first thing someone's going to say is, oh, you're sponsored by Dow Corning or whatever.
	So now that stuff is taking a different pace.
	And I'm not stopping.
	I'm not giving up.
	I'm not relenting on any of this stuff.
	The information is going to get to the people to make up their own mind.
	And the First Amendment has a real powerful, you know, message in it, aside from just the words.
	So, you know, I'm ultimately a patriot and I'll let the people make up their own mind, you know.
	Okay.
	It will be what it will be, you know.
	All right.
	Fair enough.
	And thank you for that.
	Someone wants me to ask you what aliens you have met.
	That's a really tough and direct question.
	I'm not completely certain, but there has been a physical, visual, distant, not very distant contact.
	But I prefer not to get into that too much.
	You know, it just makes me sound like a weirdo.
	Well, you're not going to sound like a weirdo on my show.
	There are no limits here, to be honest.
	So, you know, feel free.
	I believe it's tall whites.
	I believe it's tall whites and their emissaries and their second generation life forms.
	All right.
	If you say tall whites, are you familiar with the Charles Hall story?
	Is that the group that you're referring to?
	Are you talking about North?
	We have a couple of them at different locations from Shasta to South America to India to upstate New York in a certain mountain.
	And I think that's a reality.
	And I wouldn't have believed something like that three years ago.
	But that's a reality.
	And they're emissaries, meaning that they're able to create second generation, sentient life forms of different kinds.
	You know, functional, independent, you know, but grays and stuff.
	And a lot of craft sightings of different types starting at the distance and getting closer and But nothing, you know, really, you know, super-duper wacky, but it's something I try to do within a very level-headed practical context and trying to make those experiences grow over time and get closer and closer.
	We've been experimenting, you know, we started with the traditional CE5 stuff.
	We worked on ourselves and our procedures and doing everything from converting to vegetarianism to the mantras, harmonic mantras and the remote viewing stuff and working on the whole total package of putting all the It's not working.
	If we're getting a little bit of closer or a little bit of something, we keep that.
	And so some things we may be doing are superfluous.
	We have something called the advanced protocols that we We get everything free.
	CE5 protocols if you want them.
	We've got a whole variety of different ones we will give out for free.
	Healing circles we do twice a week or whenever we get.
	And we've got a lot of great feedback from people and results of people saying, wow, you even healed my doggy the other day.
	We even guessed the breed and the color and exactly.
	It's not just about the destination, it's about helping people along the journey.
	We've got a lot of free stuff to help on SI. If you want SI tips, remote viewing tips, any of that stuff, you just email us and it would be our pleasure to send.
	How many years have you been working on remote viewing?
	I've been doing that stuff in general since a kid, doing the more formal CRV, only I would say that's more of a recent thing, but I've been doing viewing and AP and other different forms for years.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Now, in terms of your turn, did you study remote viewing formally with anybody we know?
	Not really, no.
	Okay.
	All right.
	And someone in the chat has got an interesting suggestion.
	This would be another way to out a source that's supposed to be disclosing to the public.
	You can send your documents to Q, you know, QAnon.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah, I'm not really familiar with Q, but I've heard about all the stuff coming out.
	Well, there's a ton of stuff out there, and I'm sure there's a way to contact that person and see...
	It's quite possible they're going to say nothing and not even touch you with a 10-foot pole, which in itself will be revealing.
	We have to see where these limitations are, where these people...
	Simply don't want to visit this otherworldly, this multidimensional concept of reality because it threatens their image, you know, and image.
	These people are so worried about their image, you know, and that's where you separate the men from the boys, I have to say.
	Absolutely.
	And some of them unquestionably can be.
	It's conceivable that they're CIs.
	Dodie came out not too long ago and said that there were some crazy number on the payroll at one point, like 50 or something like that.
	A number I couldn't even believe on the payroll.
	I don't believe that's the case about the people we've mentioned.
	It's conceivable, but I really think it's probably more based on, oh, I don't know this guy, or it's all fake, or I know everything already, or I'm unsure I'll let someone else dig in first, or I don't know why, but it seems to be just a hugely historic, you know, subject that should be covered.
	It's like the understatement of the century.
	Right.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Well, thank you for being, you know, being there.
	No problem.
	Now, someone wants me to mention in the chat is saying some name called Artemis Soros.
	Have you ever heard of that person?
	No.
	Two R's.
	S-O-R-R-A-S. Never heard of them either.
	So I'm just looking to see if there's any other information here.
	You know, I have to say that you're going down a rabbit hole.
	And you are, I think the revelations are going to be coming fast and furious in the next maybe six months.
	So we may have some reversals on your side of your points of view if you stick with the subject and don't get scared off at some point.
	Well, I'm learning.
	Stuff I didn't believe six months ago, I believe now.
	And I believe it because I've seen it or I've experienced it or I've had numerous corroborative evidence to the point where a rational person has to understand that that's the new reality, the new paradigm.
	So, yeah, I'm going through a lot of paradigm shifts.
	That's for sure.
	Absolutely.
	A lot of people are, and there's nothing wrong with that.
	It's a fascinating world we're living in.
	I guess that's about it.
	I'm looking in the chat.
	I don't see any further questions coming up right offhand.
	No, I'm not begging for money.
	I'm not selling any books.
	We're not selling any items with our logos on it.
	We just want to do the right thing.
	Okay, very good.
	So, well, we're going to see what happens.
	If the documents see the light of day, we're going to think you did a good thing.
	If they don't, then we're going to wonder who got to you first.
	Right.
	Or what agency I've been working with all along.
	So I'd like to know where's my paychecks.
	And we put out a challenge for certain researchers to step up and and take a look at what you've got.
	And and let's see where we go from here.
	OK.
	Bless you, Carrie.
	Thank you so much.
	All right.
	You take care.
	Bye-bye.
	Thank you.
	Okay, so that is our show for today.
	You know, I know that people think that I'm like kind of maybe a bit tough on him, but the reality is that people do not ask the hard questions, you know, and I'm not here to kind of waste your time or my time by playing nice all the time.
	And he's a good guy.
	He's a trooper.
	And I believe that he is well-intentioned.
	Even the most well-intentioned person can be used, however, by the dark side.
	So that's an important sort of caveat to that statement.
	And I think it's important that if he has documents that they do get out to the public in whatever form, you know, saying they have names and phone numbers is not a reason not to release something.
	As you know, and I know, we can redact Certain information, if necessary, it may take you a little time, but he's had them for 30 days.
	So let's see what happens next.
	And anyway, that's the show.
	So tomorrow I'm talking to Eddie Page.
	I've been dialoguing with him rather extensively, if you are following the story.
	I've interviewed him, I think, Three or four times at this point.
	This may be my fifth interview.
	I'm not even sure the number.
	But at any rate, we're going to talk about the so-called Draco invasion coming up as he has prophesied, as well as the triggering of Yellowstone.
	I've written some important articles about this and the fact that if people can understand that you can prophecy something on the one hand, but on the other hand, if they're actually working Consciously, if there's elements of our society that are actually working to make these things happen, then it's a whole different ballgame.
	This is not a natural, necessarily what we call natural.
	And maybe you have to rethink this whole idea that there's something on planet Earth that's natural.
	It may be this entire hologram, this entire game that you're part of, is not natural at all, per se.
	But there's intelligence behind all of it.
	And some of the intelligence is more diabolical than others.
	And if you think that the eruption of Yellowstone is a punishment for humanity, a la biblical terms, this is, in my view, complete nonsense.
	But it is going to be a point of view of certain people out there, especially religious people.
	The Bible is a playbook.
	What do I mean by that?
	That means that the Bible is written in such a way that it's actually telling you what they plan to do to you.
	So it's not necessarily, you know, gods or God or creator.
	It's something else.
	Keep in mind, it's written by men.
	It's written by most likely white men.
	And these guys are notoriously suspect.
	So this is my point of view.
	And if you listen tomorrow, you'll hear me ask Eddie the hard questions.
	If you want to tune into some of the stuff, the dialogue's going back and forth between us.
	You can go to my website when it comes back up.
	And I hope I can find my webmaster.
	If you happen to know him, I'll be in touch with him.
	His name is Igor.
	And he's disappeared for at least two days.
	And our site is down.
	We're under attack.
	But when it comes back up, there is a blog that Eddie has, Eddie Page.
	And he has also given me some documentation to support his story.
	That's on the Eddie Documents link.
	It's all under Guest Blogs at the top under the menu.
	So you can also see him there and basically also read on my blog some of the dialogues as well.
	So on his blog and my blog, we've been also emailing back and forth and I publish those emails.
	So it's an interesting discussion on various matters and I ask him questions in the interim also.
	So tomorrow will be very interesting and that's at 1 p.m.
	Pacific time again.
	And I also want to put a sort of a word out that Paul Collin, the unwanted publicity guy, former CIA slash NSA knock, who has been given a burn notice, is rather elderly at this point, trying to stay alive, basically practically living off the street.
	He lives in his car that breaks down constantly.
	He has no money.
	People do help him periodically, but apparently right now he's in dire straits.
	So if and when my website gets up there, you can get in touch with him and send him money to unwantedpublicity.com if you want to help him out of his current situation.
	He's having health issues and problems.
	I'm not sure what else, but I think he doesn't even have enough for food.
	We at Project Camelot try to send him money when we can, but right now we're also in pretty dire straits.
	We have no extra funds whatsoever, so any donations to Project Camelot to keep us afloat would be very welcome at this point.
	If you can't get to my website, you can always donate directly to me as it'll say on a banner after I leave this sort of screen.
	And I put up the sort of credits and then you'll see it says carry at projectcamelot.org.
	All you have to do is send money in your PayPal to that email address and I will get it.
	Apparently you can also send money using Apple Pay.
	Which I don't quite understand, but there's a way to do that.
	So you can write to me at Carrie at projectcamelot.tv and I can send you information for that.
	I think I have to send you a phone number if I understand it.
	And so that's it.
	That's what's going on.
	And thanks again for watching and for supporting Project Camelot.
	Those that have and those that watch are supporting in their own way as well.
	So thank you again and take care.
	I'll be back tomorrow.

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