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Aug. 8, 2018 - Project Camelot

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PAUL PRICE TWO: WARP DRIVES : A NEW PROPULSION METHOD

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	Thank you.
	Hi, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and very happy to be here today.
	I'm going to be interviewing Paul Richard Price and this is my second interview with him.
	So we're going to be talking about the technology and he's written a paper that I'm attempting to get reviewed by various scientists and for all that information you can go to projectcamelot.tv which is my website.
	Or projectcamelotportal.com.
	It's all the same place.
	So you can see his paper there if you're interested and if you haven't seen it already.
	It is on my front page under my blog.
	And there's also my previous interview with him.
	The link's there as well.
	So, actually, he's not going to be on camera, as usual, because we have an issue with, I guess, the fact that his computer, he can explain it to you, something about camera.
	And he's on a phone, because just as we were starting the show, something attacked my Skype and sent that offline.
	So we can't get him on Skype either.
	So, Paul, are you there?
	Yes, Carrie, I am.
	Thank you again for allowing me to be on your show.
	Okay, very good.
	And I hope that the volume is loud enough for everyone here.
	I'm going to turn it up on my end a bit.
	So please do put into the chat if for some reason you are having trouble hearing us and we can turn the volume up higher than this.
	So at the moment what I want to give you is just a brief background that people that haven't seen our previous interview because that's key to understanding what we're going to be talking about here.
	Now in the previous interview we talked about actually we dealt with To the Stars Academy as well as Joe Furmidge's company and the various disclosure efforts that are more or less part of a kind of a mainstream push.
	That's going on at this time.
	And some of the players behind the scenes, some of those players are obviously aerospace.
	They're also part of intelligence agencies and military.
	So once you're involved in those organizations, you're always semi-attached or completely involved.
	And so, as you may know, the list of players in To The Stars and all those people will still be very much reporting to higher authority, if you want to call it that.
	Who could be Bobby Ray Inman, for example, the Admiral, who's been on the circuit for a very long time.
	And according to one of my witnesses, Captain Mark Richards, is one of the people on the planet that is most in the know about what's going on with off-planet cultures.
	That is, you know, what some people may call aliens, ETs, interdimensionals, extradimensionals, inner earth beings, etc.
	So it's a huge, you know, sort of...
	Whatever you want to call it, a playing field.
	And we've got Paul, again, Richard Price with us today, and he is a free energy activist.
	He's also written an interesting paper.
	I believe he wrote it originally many years ago and then had it, if I understand correctly, it was edited or suggestions were made and small changes were made in terms of the format.
	And it was presented at various, at least two conferences, if I understand that correctly, but we're going to verify that with Paul.
	And then I, in this last interview, we covered the playing field, but we tried not to name names, even though some of these people are very well known.
	So it won't be hard for the audience to put two and two together and figure out who we're talking to if you've been following the story.
	It's a little like QAnon.
	If you haven't followed the story, you might not know who or what he's talking about.
	So in this case, we have an individual called Doctor Who, who is extremely notorious in our sort of sector.
	That involves New Age, UFOlogy, whatever you want to call it, and certainly free energy activists as well.
	There are other players and he's a doctor who is a member of the CIA and I'm sure he's still employed by them.
	And he was originally head of what's called the Weird Desk at CIA. And there are other players as well.
	But you need to listen to our previous interview to get all the players and the names and so on.
	Because I'm not going to take the time to kind of go down the roster, if you will.
	But from time to time, we will refer to those individuals in the same way, if necessary.
	But this interview is actually about the technology, not the individuals.
	Although they will factor in because there has been an interesting development in the sense that I was communicated with by Doctor Who after the interview and also by the person we're calling the movie producer.
	And both of them attempted to lie to me, unfortunately.
	I guess they think I'm a newbie on the block.
	That just showed me they didn't do their homework.
	And I'm still very willing to invite them on the show, which I've done, and I've invited their teams on the show just to speak their piece and to be interviewed by me, of course.
	And so far they haven't accepted that invitation.
	I do think I might be able to meet with one of them Over Skype, maybe in person, that offer has been extended.
	So that was generous and interesting.
	But that's what's going on.
	So now some of these people may think they didn't lie to me, but At least from the evidence I have, there has been a stretching of the truth, and it also appears that they're basically doing an operation on Paul Price, who is here with us, to do what I call a Paul Benowitz operation.
	Type of treatment to him, which many people will know if you go back in the history of ufology, that he was kind of made to go crazy by Rick Doty, who was working for the DIA and may also be a CIA contractor.
	I don't know.
	And, you know, other people that were involved at the time.
	Yeah.
	kind of a sting operation.
	And it appears that that's what they've done with Paul with regard to a woman that I guess he was interested in and interested in helping in the past.
	And then he got a restraining order, they got a restraining order against him.
	And I don't, I guess Paul talked on our last interview about, he was quite honest about his role or indiscretions.
	I think, I'm not sure how you would call that.
	And somehow there was a, I guess, a pornographic video that was, according to Paul, it was, they hacked into his camera and they created it somehow.
	Maybe they used him.
	Maybe he did it himself.
	I don't really know.
	I haven't seen the video.
	I'm not interested in seeing it, obviously, but there's some disagreement as to how that came down.
	There's also disagreement on whether or not This woman who was involved with Paul on some level, and asked again for a restraining order, which has been put into effect, by the way.
	Whether or not she's involved with one of these other players or not, that is also very unclear, but apparently one of these individuals tried to mislead Paul into believing that they were involved.
	So it's kind of crazy.
	I know this is a long-winded introduction.
	Oh, and I promised myself I would say this.
	My last conference that I did in Barcelona, I got a standing ovation.
	But for some reason, these people seem to have completely disappeared off the map.
	And I've called and left messages and they were supposed to pay me.
	They haven't paid me.
	They haven't reimbursed me for my travel.
	So I'm out.
	It's over $1,000, which may not seem like a lot of money to you or to some of the people listening.
	But to me, it's a lot of money because basically I kind of, I survive hand to mouth.
	You know, as they say, that saying goes.
	I literally never know from month to month if I can pay my rent, etc.
	Because of this work that I do.
	So we are so low right now financially that I can't pay my webmaster at all.
	I haven't paid him for the last two weeks.
	And I can't, you know, do much.
	I can't, you know, I don't even know if I'm going to be able to put gas in my car.
	I mean, it's really quite desperate.
	So I will have to get another job.
	And if I have to, you know, I'll go back into the movie industry if I have to.
	And so that's kind of what we're looking at.
	So if you want Camelot to continue...
	And, you know, when I do this job, I do research constantly.
	So it's almost like a 24-7 labor of love.
	I am putting out information constantly.
	And if you pay attention to my Twitter, to my Facebook, to my, you know, all the different...
	My website, obviously, projectcamelot.tv, projectcamelotportal.com, it's all one place.
	You will see that I'm constantly, constantly posting things.
	And doing new interviews, etc.
	And we just got back from a live in-person interview with Richard Alan Miller.
	The people who ran the Yelm conference are going to pay me.
	I'm not sure how much.
	I haven't received it yet, but I believe it's in, you know, it's as they say, in the mail.
	And those people are really, really good people, so I have no doubt of that.
	So hopefully I'll get my out-of-pocket expenses reimbursed.
	But if you can understand how I operate, I operate out of pocket.
	So first I spend the money and then I hope that I get it back.
	But in the case of Barcelona, I am not getting anything back.
	So that puts me in kind of dire straits.
	Okay, well, I'm done with that.
	So I just said I was going to do this at the upfront.
	Usually I talk about this kind of thing at the very end of an interview.
	But I need, just because of finances, I need to say that if you watch this, if you're interested in really cutting edge, up to the minute disclosures, With the truth.
	The real truth.
	And, you know, you have to be the judge of that, I guess, but that's all I can say about what I do.
	Extremely on it.
	And I've been told by people in intelligence agencies In various places, I can say very high places, that I am actually considered quite dangerous in that sense.
	That actually people are told not to do interviews with me because I am liable to get the truth.
	And that's exactly what they don't want.
	Now, to get back to the, if you go on my website, you'll see that I published a letter.
	And I sent it out to, I think it's, I don't know, 10 or 11 or 12 key players that are also scientists, top scientists.
	People like Hal Pudoff and Jack Sarfati.
	And, you know, the list is there.
	And I did it on both sides of the street.
	So I sent it to people who are What we call in the alternative sector, like Paula Violette, an alternative sector scientist that some have said is the Einstein of our time, and other People who are deep in the black projects, like as I said, Al Putoff, Jack Sarpati and others.
	So I've asked all these people to give me a review of Paul's paper.
	And that way I felt we could get a dialogue going, an open dialogue about the technology.
	Because To The Stars ostensibly wants to bring the technology to the people.
	Many one, the Joe Firmage organization, says they want to bring technology to the people.
	Now you know if you're on point with Camelot that all of this technology is already created.
	It's already flying in our skies, going interstellar, going through our solar system, going outside our solar system, and I've got many witnesses that testify to this effect.
	But this is for public distribution.
	So what they are trying to do, those organizations, Is bring it into the public domain, supposedly the consumer level, whatever you want to call that, and so on.
	And that is ostensibly what they've said is their purpose.
	Now, whether they're really serious about that is a whole other matter.
	And I've even done some videos where I talk about how serious I think they are not.
	But nonetheless, giving them the benefit of the doubt, I sent this out so that they could give a peer review, or whatever you want to call it, of his paper.
	And I've gotten two people.
	I've got Arthur Neumann, who has responded.
	He is one of our secret witnesses who has Well, he was in the very early days of Camelot, which is going back somewhere around 11 years.
	I've been in operation 12 and a half years, and he came forward somewhere in about a year into operations.
	And he's someone who has worked A good part of his life in Black Projects came forward for a while, actually eventually in person, went on person and said he'd been working on Mars in Barcelona.
	And then we were asked to get off the stage, even though Bob Dean was just doing a presentation on Mars and welcomed him on the stage.
	Because the ExoPolitics is one of those conferences that behind the scenes is Heavily controlled by the intelligence agencies, as are many of those rather large conferences, in case you don't know that.
	So anyway, he came forward to do a review of the paper, and I've got another person who chooses to remain nameless, but he is on that list who has given a review.
	He's willing to give his review to the group of people on that list, but he doesn't want to go public for some reason.
	Not sure why, but that's the lay of the land.
	So all the rest of these people on the list have either very busy lives and ignored the email, or choose not to reply, or are just being delayed for one reason or another, and I'll keep you posted on that.
	So I know it's a long-winded beginning, but we are going to bring Paul on now.
	So Paul, Sorry for all that, but I think it brings people up to speed.
	Now, what I'd like you to do is very briefly explain about your paper, how you came to write it.
	I know it might be a bit of a review from our last session, but if you can do that in sort of a very short, succinct overview.
	Okay, about 15 years ago, I contacted, at the NASA Institute for Advanced Concepts, Dr.
	John Valentine.
	I approached Dr.
	Valentine about getting a grant to do a build for a prototype on a device I call the Electromagnetic Pulse Reactor.
	A phase two variant of a tier two variant of the invention I've been working on since about 1990 called the electromagnetic pulse reaction engine.
	And there's more to that story.
	I don't know if I'll have time to get into it today or not.
	Had to do with what I told you about back when I worked at NASA and about coming up with an idea for a A plasma pulse engine.
	And the phase two was the electromagnetic vortex reactor.
	I got a patent pending on it.
	And it had caveats to it, at least citing 12 to 13 different State Department and DOD restrictions as to where I could market the item to and that I could file for a foreign filing patent license, but I could not sell it overseas myself.
	I had to do it through a second party and That's when I started to realize that I had something if they were going to put security restrictions on my invention.
	So I decided out of curiosity to go to Dr.
	Valentine and ask him, well, can I get funding?
	And he goes, Paul, in order to give funding, you need to write peer-reviewed papers.
	And I'm going, I'd never done it before.
	And I'm going, okay, well, where do I need to do it?
	And with whom?
	And he goes, well, you could do it for our conference, or you could do it for another conference.
	And I know the guy there, and he told me, and I'm not going to mention the guy's name here, but he told me to go to the SAFE conference.
	It was back when it was originally STAFE, and then it got shut down.
	Franklin Elbaz was the...
	Oh, not Franklin, but...
	Farouk Elbaz, the geologist that used to work on the Apollo program, if I'm correct, was the one who ran the STAFE conference originally.
	And there was a portion of the conference that dealt with theoretical studies.
	About theory dealing with advanced propulsion.
	And it was that certain sub-conference that I had been told that I needed to give my paper to the chairman.
	And I'll call the chairman here the UFO guy.
	That's a moniker he's used.
	I'm not going to use his real name.
	And he studied the UFO phenomenon from the point of view of an engineer.
	And he used to work for NASA as a reentry analysis, doing reentry analysis during the Apollo program.
	And in between times, he was jumping out of perfectly good airplanes as an Army Ranger.
	And he wrote about that in the book.
	It was in Grenada back in about 66 or so during that time frame.
	He later, after having to spend some time in the Army, he later went back to work for NASA and then put around the shuttle program, went to work for the X-29 program, which was the hypersonic aircraft program, and then later went to work as an analyst for the Defense Intelligence Agency.
	And it was this man that I befriended where I wrote a paper originally called Gravity as a Mass Unit.
	And that was the original paper I wrote that I was about to present at State 1.
	But I wasn't able to get the funding to pay for the fees and all.
	And this individual was going to allow me to present the paper at St.
	1.
	Well, when Elbaz retired, that ended St.
	1.
	And then later on, this man and a group of other people started St.
	2 to follow on.
	And then I presented my second paper, Gravitational Propulsion in a Fluid Membrane, a New Propulsion Methodology, at stage 2 in March of 2012.
	And this man and another doctor, which has been interviewed by UNI, can I use his name or not?
	Because he's publicly known and he's a very good friend of mine.
	Somebody I've interviewed in the past?
	Yes, somebody on that list.
	That's fine.
	Dr.
	John Brandenburg.
	And John is one of the greatest guys I know.
	I've got to give him kudos.
	And can I interject something right here, right now?
	I read a comment on YouTube regarding the original interview you and I did just about two weeks ago almost.
	And somebody claimed that I was an NSA COINTELPRO guy being paid.
	Let me make a point to all of you here.
	Number one, the doctor, Doctor Who, and other people that are involved in his sphere have been doing everything to keep me from being able to do my research.
	Cutting avenues of funding, I have overheard, and it was totally by accident.
	You know how when people butt dial somebody?
	And the phone answers, and they have no idea that the phone is actually active.
	When the doctor called me, and we had talked no more than 15 minutes before then, I get a call back from the doctor, and I'm going, hello, hello, it's Paul here, can I talk to you?
	And he wasn't responding, so I'm wondering, what in the world is going on here?
	They were having a conversation, he, the philosopher, and three other people from the intelligence agencies, where I was trying to help them.
	I had avenues into getting funding for research.
	Statements were made to the effect that, well, we'll find out who he's getting funding from, and we'll get his funding instead.
	Now, I want to ask you, what does it sound like to you, Kerry?
	Either it's legitimate or again it wasn't accidental that you were sort of party to that and they wanted you to hear it for one reason or another again kind of to make you kind of crazy but continue with your story and if you could please make sure you speak up and don't go too close to the phone so your sound is getting a little quiet Okay,
	well, the thing is, hold one moment, the thing is that I'm wanting to, the statement I'm wanting to try to make is that I presented the paper, and I started having interactions with the UFO guy, the doctor, Gordon Novell, and I was being let off on a wild goose chase with Gordon.
	Excuse me, the doctor had stated he was going to give me grant funding.
	And I ask him for it, and he introduces me to Gordon and tells me, Gordon, we'll make sure you get funded.
	Well, lo and behold, Gordon never had any intention on doing it.
	Okay, I'm sorry, Paul, and I want you to don't lose your train of thought.
	Just want to, you might be too close to the phone right now, so it's getting a bit distorted, so continue.
	Okay, well, can you hear me better now?
	Yeah, maybe don't talk quite so loud, I guess.
	I don't know.
	Okay, got it.
	Well, the point I'm trying to make, Carrie, is that the doctor was referring me to all of these people that he claimed could give me funding, Gordon being one of them, and Gordon never intended on funding my research.
	He was more concerned about getting theoretical proofs for his RAM project.
	And when Gordon died, I then went back to the doctor and asked him, well, can you help me with funding?
	So he referred me to Joe Furmich.
	And then Joe Furmich gets and tells me that I need $25,000 in order for me to help you.
	We need to pay my person now.
	And I'm thinking at the time, this guy was at one time worth well over $200 million.
	And he's asking me for funding on a project.
	And the one thing I'm telling everybody here...
	Like Carrie, I have a very limited income and I have a GoFundMe campaign running so I can pay for a move and when I get where I'm moving to, I can actually get the materials needed to build a prototype.
	And, altogether, I'm looking just for a minuscule amount.
	Now, the amazing thing that I've seen in my own research and studies on the cost of materials and all, is that if everybody knew just how cheap and easy it would be to build a device that could counter gravity,
	they would be floored and shocked and wondering, well, why couldn't we do it Why is it that the government has been keeping us all in the dark?
	Here's why.
	We have a tipping point when it comes to power imbalance over other countries, whether they be friend or foe, in the world.
	And if it came out that our adversaries could find out how easy it was to manufacture these technologies and how cheap, It's relatively inexpensive, mind you.
	I know you're going to have scientists out there that are going to say, he's wrong.
	I've been doing this type of research for years.
	And we have budgets.
	And I'm going, well, it's because of your train of thought.
	That is why we haven't had these technologies in the public domain.
	And then you have other issues dealing with people who have nefarious purposes.
	Inventors who have died or were threatened and then they eventually sold off their technologies to keep them and their families from going six feet under.
	Now I'm going to get into the segue into a point dealing with the theory.
	And I'll make it brief and easy.
	Think about fluid.
	Think about water, okay?
	I want your audience to think of themselves being in a flowing river.
	I want you to think about a rock that's embedded in the river floor.
	That rock is staying stationary while the water or the fluid is passing over it.
	You generate a warp-style field.
	You have a point called null space.
	It's what I call the space within the spaces.
	If you understand where I'm coming from, right Carrie?
	Absolutely.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	That space stays immobile.
	You stay in a 1G environment, no acceleration.
	Everything around you is accelerating at a higher and higher rate due to the effect of the field being generated.
	But your particular vehicle or craft inside that field does not generate angular momentum, therefore is not generating acceleration.
	Einstein stated in his theory, general theory of relativity about traveling to the speed of light that you cannot do it because you would generate infinite mass.
	The bypass on that is to generate an interdimensional field where you generate null space.
	You are cocooned in that null space.
	The field generates the momentum or acceleration.
	Therefore, being that it's a field by its very nature will not pull in matter or mass.
	It cannot do it.
	And here's another thing that Miguel Alcubier got wrong in his equations about warp field propagation.
	And in my discussions with Dr.
	John Brandenburg, we both came to a consensus.
	And I want your people to think about this.
	This is the crux of my theory.
	That when you're generating a warp field, you're generating a corkscrew effect.
	You're not only generating an expansion and contraction within the fabric.
	Okay, well, doesn't this get into torsion physics as well?
	Correct.
	So you can use words like that.
	I mean, you know, I think we're going to have a lot of very sophisticated people listening to this, so I don't think you have to dumb it down as far as you might think you do.
	But go ahead.
	Well, I mean, yeah, you're generating a torsion effect, and what that does is generate a corkscrew effect, which allows for a pointing vector to be propagated to where you can go forward in any quadrant of space.
	And here is the crux of the theory, people.
	It goes back to a concept that was actually conveyed By Nikola Tesla during his talks about his general theory of gravitation back in the early 1900s.
	Now, for any of those of you, including some of the people that have reviewed the paper, or even edited the paper that you've talked to, Kerry, and who claim that I don't even have a college degree, let me bring up something to you.
	Sir Albert Einstein did not have a college degree, contrary to popular belief.
	The guy that he considered a hero of his was Michael Faraday.
	Faraday did the equations that were able to confirm electromagnetism.
	Faraday was not A trained scientist.
	He never even went to formal school.
	And all his equations were not calculus.
	They were done using algebra.
	Algebraic equations only.
	Now the point I'm making is that man, Michael Faraday, which the Faraday cage is named after.
	Michael Faraday I've read, like I have, did self-study, and is considered one of the greatest scientists of all time.
	Look up his bio on Wikipedia.
	Absolutely.
	Now, I just want to interject here that I did receive, you know, individuals trying to, in essence, discredit Paul based on our interview that we did together and going back into his past.
	What's interesting is if you go back into a lot of people's past, including, let's say, the producer's past, That that person has a nefarious past as well.
	So that it's kind of important to indicate that a lot of these people, regardless of who they are, it's kind of like they say, who's going to be the first to throw the first stone?
	In the end of the day, it's not about personality.
	It's about the work.
	The personality, people don't have their act together necessarily.
	Paul has explained his role in various things.
	But it's important to realize that education, if you want to call him an idiot savant, you can call him that.
	But there is lots of evidence of idiot savants in all aspects of our society who have brought innovation and also various individuals who are really coming from ET races like Tesla.
	You know, obviously from other planets who may not be socially adept, who may have social sort of deficiencies, whatever you want to call that.
	Asperger's, call it what you will.
	This is unimportant.
	This is absolutely beside the point.
	So people that are writing to me to say things about Paul in this way need to kind of get their heads straight.
	And understand that this is a very, you can absolutely tell by the tone of his voice that he has no reason to lie, that he is absolutely telling you his life and his understanding as he lives.
	As he sees it.
	So you may disagree with him.
	You may disagree with him on scientific principle, which is why I tried to get these very excellent scientists and other individuals who have a background in science to weigh in on the paper.
	But what you cannot do is tell me that he is uneducated and therefore should be discounted.
	Our educational system is a system of mind control.
	Most people that are hip And aware will know this very well.
	What it often does is stop you from thinking, stop you from thinking outside the box and make you adhere to the society.
	It teaches you how to be a prisoner More than a free person.
	And so someone like Paul, who hasn't been inundated by that sort of mind control, is in a much better position to see things differently.
	And as, I think it's, what is it, Apple?
	Think differently?
	Yes.
	Paul is the epitome of that kind of individual.
	And actually so am I. Although I do have college and degrees and so on.
	But I can, even because I do, I can see through the...
	The system very well.
	So I just wanted to say a footnote there.
	Paul, please do continue.
	I'd like you to talk about the paper from the standpoint of what is called ether, because there's a lot of bad-mouthing about ether out there.
	I think a lot of misunderstanding.
	And personally, from my own investigations in this area, including my Samadhi events, I can say that ether is very real.
	Well, let me tell you, the reason why Ether was discredited, and here's the ironic part.
	Michael Faraday, James Clerk Maxwell, Sir Isaac Newton, Nikola Tesla, all were Ether-esque.
	When Newton came up with this theory of gravitation, he based it on an etheric model.
	When Michael Faraday was doing the Faraday field equations, and then the follow-on with James Clark Maxwell, they were basing it on a signal going through a medium.
	Ether people.
	Nikola Tesla was regarded even by Einstein as being the smartest man in the world.
	Albert Einstein, when questioned by, in 1901, questioned by a reporter, and you can find this online, and he was asked by that reporter, how do you feel of being the smartest man in the world?
	He goes, don't ask me, you need to talk to Nikola Tesla.
	Okay, and Tesla was an etherist.
	Read his works.
	He believed that signal propagation, and he was the foremost expert on radio waves in his lifetime, more so than even Einstein could ever have been.
	But Ether believed that gravity was caused by, I mean, Tesla's thought on gravity is that it was created by an Ether.
	Bottom line.
	In my paper I call it ether protomatter, a plasmoid type matter made of fluctuating particles, people.
	It was that particular particulate matter That once the spark, what I call the grand spark, not the Big Bang, but the grand spark in the universe which ignited this particular matter and generated the effects needed to generate matter as we know it today.
	The stars, the planets, the planetoids, asteroids, whatever else that we see in the universe today.
	It was generated by that protomatter.
	Now, you can call it ether, or even use the term that astrophysicists use now, dark matter and dark energy.
	Now, I want you to think about that, and think about in 1920.
	Albert Einstein was trying to come up with a simplified, unified field theorem.
	A simple three-part formulation He explained all the effects and all the forces, the strong and weak nuclear force, gravitation, and electromagnetism.
	And with his model, with the relativistic model that he came up with, he could not reconcile every single point.
	They're saying now that, oh, we've got the most wonderful way of reconciliation of All fundamental forces using string theory.
	It's a happy little thought experiment, people, but it can never be proven.
	We do not have detectors at this current time that can detect the vibrational effects on a membrane medium that would show and I'm talking about brain theory here that would show that strings Whether it be gravitation, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces.
	Now, I want to give your audience a point here.
	Very much so.
	It's the mere fact that thought experiments are all great and fine and dandy.
	You can do all the formulations in the world that you could possibly get away with.
	However, if you don't have empirical data from actual physical experiments that can confirm the calculations, they are nothing more than nice, happy little thought experiments.
	So, I mean, to call string theory a theory is incorrect.
	It's more of a hypothesis.
	And what I'd like to share with your audience...
	It's a new concept that I'm going to be writing a paper on soon.
	And it's a more simple way of dealing with the fundamental laws of the universe and unifying and reconciling the four basic forces in the universe using electromechanical dynamic processes that come from the subquantum level up to matter as we know it today.
	That is an interconnected point.
	That once you understand those electromechanical processes, you can understand how gravity is generated and then how gravity is interconnected with electromagnetism and how electromagnetism interconnects with the strong and weak nuclear forces.
	And here's the way of finding out whether or not this particular thing is correct.
	Because what it would do is generate a flux.
	That flux then would generate a frequency.
	That frequency, the sine wave that it would generate, could be detected as an anomaly in the space background radiation.
	Now, I'd have to sit down and do all the proofs here.
	But I think, you know, I'm not sure if everybody in your audience would understand the point I'm making.
	But if you came up with that, it would come up with the most elegant theory.
	And it is, there is a protomatter component in that.
	Showing that matter in of itself, even matter in the so-called vacuum, is consistent.
	And why are we not able to detect that matter?
	Look at how hard they've tried to detect dark matter.
	They've had a hard time, but they know that it must be there.
	Even under Einstein's equations, they know full well that that dark matter or dark energy must be there because they're looking at the expansion of the universe.
	And you look at Einstein's cosmological constant, you then understand that there has to be enough matter that's generating the repulsion.
	of matter as we know it today away from each other and against the Hubble constant which states that eventually that matter will collapse in on itself and generate a point singularity.
	Now if that doesn't happen what is actually what is that force that's actually pushing the galaxies away from one another?
	That's the point.
	That was observed by the Hubble Space Telescope.
	These are confirmable statements I'm making.
	I've done my homework.
	And if any of you who are naysayers out there and who have been even on the last interview that Carrie and I did, if you're not willing to go out there and do the homework, people, then you have nothing to say.
	I've been doing this particular research for over 40 years of my life since I was a young boy.
	And, you know, and if you don't mind me sharing this, Gary, I was abused as a child.
	I was lonely, and I also have Asperger's syndrome.
	I wasn't diagnosed with it until I was 39, but yes, I do.
	I'm on the upper end of the autism spectrum.
	And I couldn't talk to people real well.
	I've learned tricks to help me overcome a lot of my issues that I have.
	But sometimes I go off and I offend people when I am not trying.
	That's just par for the course, you know.
	But the issue is, I lived a very lonely life and I spent all my time reading it.
	I read the World Book Encyclopedia through twice, from the age of 6 till 12.
	I did my own artwork.
	I taught myself how to draw.
	And most of the studies I did were on astronomy, astrophysics, and space science.
	My ultimate objective was to become an astronaut.
	But when I turned 20, I had 13 grand mal seizures in one day, and they each lasted an hour apiece.
	If it wasn't for, you know, if it wasn't for what I believe, and I know that you or some of your other listeners may not believe in what I believe in, and I respect that, but if it wasn't for my belief in God, Carrie, and that I believe that God helped pull me through, I don't believe I would have been here right now.
	Okay, fair enough.
	And even when I was 28, I got hit by a car riding a bicycle, came out of it with a slight cut over my left eye, road rash, but no broken bones.
	And the way I look at it is, if it's not your time to go, you're not going to go.
	Okay, and let me just interject here, for those that have not heard the previous interview, you also were told you're quite probably an alien-human hybrid, and I think maybe Sarfati even validated that to you.
	Well, he validated that he thought I was an experiencer, and that may have been what caused my epilepsy.
	And I talked to you, do you know who Karen Anscom is?
	Yes.
	I haven't heard that name in a long time, but yes.
	I talked to Karen for about an hour on Jack's phone.
	No, two hours.
	Karen is kind of a unique woman.
	Reportedly was supposed to be British intelligence, but I don't know.
	She is an expert on abductees and abductions.
	So it was an interesting conversation I had with Karen.
	It was pleasant, and I don't know why Jack wanted me to talk to her.
	Jack didn't want to talk to me.
	I would rather have talked to Jack.
	But I have talked to Jack since then at the SARA conference, and even over the phone.
	And I think Jack, even though we've had disagreements on our viewpoints...
	And let me clarify this.
	The UFO guy who edited my paper...
	Was concerned that I was saying he endorsed my paper, and I think I made that point very clear that he did not endorse it, but he said I should be given a chance to present the paper.
	Am I correct that I stated that to you?
	Yes, but perhaps it didn't come through clearly.
	I wrote a letter basically inviting that person among others to respond.
	So it's all good.
	That clarification is probably helpful to the listener.
	But at any rate, now what I want to do here is, and I appreciate all of your comments, So far, they've been excellent.
	I have somebody who did respond here, and I did tell everyone that if they did send their paper in, I would, you know, their response, I would publish it.
	Now, one person sent a response and did not want to publish, so I will not do so.
	But the other person has sent it in with the full understanding that it would be published.
	So I'm going to read a bit of this.
	And I'm going to ask for your reaction, Paul.
	And Paul has not heard this.
	This comes from Henry Deacon, and many people will know him as Arthur Neumann.
	That's his real name.
	He originally came out as a Camelot witness, and we gave him a fake name so that he could protect himself.
	Then eventually he got a lot more courageous and came out.
	And there's a bit of feedback there.
	Maybe you can mute your phone while I read this, Paul, because we're getting some feedback from your phone.
	Hold one moment.
	I don't know if you know how to mute your phone, but if you do, it will help with the feedback.
	Okay, I'm doing it again now.
	Okay, thank you.
	So, at any rate, I'm going to read a bit of his comments and get your reaction, okay?
	So, I reviewed Paul Richard Price's documents and find them to be an interesting compilation of ideas that in some cases have individual merit, although it says, overall, though, I am quite firmly with Tesla and some ET sources.
	That insists that the medium is the message, light does not travel, light is, and that time is not a dimension, time is a derivative of the fourth dimension, the first field fabric, in parentheses, which is frequency slash change, aka the density of reality, frequency equals t, let's see, 1 over time, I guess, f equals 1 over t.
	And then he puts a note, the first field fabric, aka fourth dimension, is what is called the Tempic Field by W. Smith, B. Smith.
	And is reinforced as the resonating electromagnetic field as well as being called the Akashic field record by several renowned historical figures.
	Now I'm going to finish reading this and then I do want your comments.
	For those interested in bridging the quantum gap from the realms of the thermodynamic into realms of the Adiabotic down to the substratum of the underlying quantum fluid, parentheses, rigid, all-pervasive, superconducting, and resonating electromagnetically, where zero-point energy is born.
	I strongly recommend some of the work by Richard Feynman et al.
	I think that's how you say Feynman et al.
	And interestingly PRP very correctly references a good portion of these concepts by supplying a link to the article on Tesla's dynamic theory of gravity.
	He also includes the link.
	Einstein himself agreed that Maxwell's equations could be resolved using a flat space-time in which there was a luminous ether that was equivalent to the gravitational field.
	Time is merely a man-made creation Beware of all those who claim to have traveled in it.
	When it comes to traveling faster than light, old submariners cry for getting from one end of the submarine to the other in a hurry comes to mind.
	The best way to get there from here without hitting things along the way is to generate a true vacuum in front of your craft and fall forwards quickly and In this way, you merely need to move space a few meters to the side using your rotating magnetic fields and the cathode ray-emitting sections of the hull of your spacecraft.
	So that's the end of his comments.
	We can backtrack if necessary, but Paul, do you want to have some comments there?
	Well, and I agree with that, and I mean, that actually is more elegant than even I... I thought I came up with a pretty elegant...
	I think I came up with a pretty elegant explanation, but I, you know, I loved Mr.
	Newman's explanation even better.
	I mean, I knew that even Einstein, before his death...
	Believe it or not, it was said that he came up with a unified field theory formulation based on a luminous ether.
	But, reportedly, he scrapped it due to the fact that he was afraid, like they did with his general theory of relativity, would use it for nefarious purposes.
	Like they did with the atomic bomb.
	Right.
	Well, one of the people on the list, David Adair, obviously he scrapped his, he destroyed his own, I guess, missile technology, if I understand it correctly.
	I've interviewed David Adair several times.
	I just spoke at a conference in Yelm with him.
	He disclosed some wonderful science at that conference, which was recorded, and I hope they're going to put that out in the public domain from the conference, the footage.
	Brilliant, brilliant man.
	I'd love you to talk to him as well.
	Henry Deacon, aka Arthur Neumann, highly brilliant guy, and I think that that statement that he made, it does indicate a lot of his brilliance.
	So, did you have any, I wonder if he, you know, and there's this other person that did reply, sometimes I'm wondering if some of what you wrote was misunderstood.
	Well, it might have been, and here's the problem, you know, and it's something that I've had to deal with even in my personal writings and my books I've read in.
	I, as an Aspie, is what they call us, but people do not want to use the term Asperger's anymore because the scientist who discovered the syndrome was an ardent Nazi during World War II. So they are kind of trying to segue away from that because of the connotations of him being a Nazi,
	a member of the SS. However, The thing with Aspie's are, we think in a different way than most normal people, or I wouldn't say normal, but average people think.
	And so we convey our thoughts using our frame of reference.
	And when I write ideas, especially like in that paper, it came across just directly from my mind down to the paper.
	And you can kind of tell that I'm thinking about advanced concepts.
	I mean, I hate dumbing things down to people.
	I really do.
	And the reason for that is, given an opportunity, I think anyone and everyone, look at Michael Faraday.
	He started out working as a blacksmith.
	And then he went to work in a bookshop.
	Where he found books but read them.
	If he can take the little time that he was able to take out of his busy schedule, read books and learn, then anyone, and then overcome his adversities to becoming one of the world's greatest scientists.
	If he can do that, Anyone can if they're willing to apply themselves.
	And that's the point I want to make.
	That's why I hate dumbing things down to people.
	I'd rather talk in advanced concepts to them originally and then explain the concepts later than to dumb them down and possibly make it to where they couldn't Learn on their own.
	I guess you understand what I'm saying.
	And here's another thing that's happening on my phone, Gary.
	I keep getting these buzzings going off and on and there's nothing.
	I've been checking the phone to see if there's anything to do with these buzzs, with the buzzing I hear in my ear.
	So it's making it difficult for me to convey certain things because I keep getting interrupted.
	And I do apologize to your listeners for that.
	What I want to do, again, is sort of take you back because we did just read Arthur Neumann's comments and I want to I don't know if they stay in your mind easily I am putting some of them on the screen for those that are watching so that they can kind of review what he said but is there anything in that those comments that you want to address specifically you know such as light does not travel light is time is not a dimension
	time is derivative of the fourth dimension Uh, et cetera, et cetera.
	Any of that that you...
	Can I simplify time for the audience?
	Sure.
	I and Joe Firmage, Joe's talked about this as well.
	I've had discussions with Joe.
	I and Joe Firmage do not believe in time travel.
	I believe that you can travel back and forth in linear space and it will take you, quote, back in time, but time is just a reference point.
	Nothing more, nothing less.
	Okay, I appreciate that.
	But for me, all time is simultaneous.
	This is time and space are one.
	And so from a more esoteric, you know, point of view, which I've studied occult literature, etc., I think it's easier to understand what the Native Americans refer to as time and space, which is basically that it's an illusion.
	And that we, our brains are set up to see things in a linear fashion.
	One thing happens after another.
	But in reality, it's all simultaneous.
	So I think if you can put that into your brain and kind of conceptualize that, that it helps.
	So I understand all that.
	I do think getting hung up on the term travel, time travel, is not necessary because...
	I think it can be a useful concept within our 3D reality, again, because we see things in a one thing happens before after another in a sort of linear fashion.
	It's basically reality is displayed in that way.
	So that one can sit back, analyze it, and sort of spread it out in front of yourself and view it.
	But I think that's basically by virtue of the way our brains are sort of configured.
	That's the brain that is part of this body.
	Now, our spirit, our soul, sees time, of course, as it truly is, if you want to call time space, space time.
	As one.
	And that's the right brain, left brain, also dichotomy.
	And obviously they're trying to mess with your phone as I'm talking here.
	So anyway, those are just my comments to help people with that understanding.
	Again, going back to the comments made by Arthur Neumann, is there anything else Aside from explaining time to the audience, is there anything else that you want to address in his comments that you felt was particular that you'd like to elaborate on?
	Well, another thing he brought up, one of the things about null space is that you're going to generate a negative vacuum.
	And that, I'm in total agreement with him.
	That came out of my own thought experiments I did.
	You're going to generate a negative vacuum.
	Because what you're dealing with is a negative portion of space.
	And otherwise known as null space, but it is going to generate a vacuum inside the null cavity you are generating with your magnetic field.
	So I really, you know, what he wrote I agree with.
	And the big question I have is, I don't see that he was necessarily completely disagreeing with me.
	Not like the other editor who tried to make me sound like I didn't have a degree.
	My thoughts and ideas should be taken with a grain of salt.
	And a lot of the concepts he talked about, especially...
	Dealing with pointing vectors, which is the way he explained about generating a field, and you kind of follow that field.
	Scientific term for that, Kerry, is the pointing vector.
	P-O-Y-N-T-I-N-G. Pointing vector.
	And think about putting yourself in a slide.
	Water slide.
	Good one.
	And with that, you go down that thing, you're being pushed down by the force of the water, and you accelerate down that slide because of the force of the volume of water behind yourself.
	Same difference when you're dealing with a warp system and generating a pointing vector, is that you will follow, you're not really traveling, the field itself is accelerating.
	You think of yourself as being inside a water slide.
	But it's not a slide of water, but it's a slide of a force in relation to the field being generated.
	And you're going to fall down into that well, or gravity well, if you want to use that term.
	You know, I think that's a nomenclature I don't want to use, but you're generating a well that you're falling down into.
	That well is being directed into a path.
	And that path is being directed by the fields you're generating.
	I hope I'm making that point very clear.
	And I hope that people can...
	Well, let's go somewhere that we went offline.
	We were talking...
	And I basically you had talked about needing some kind of pulse to generate the the sort of to move the field I think if I understood it correctly and you have if you've got rotation You have to get that rotation going and keep it going, I guess, is the challenge.
	And this gets into basically the Nazi bell, the experiments done there, counter-rotating elements, whatever you call that, and so on.
	And that generates a field, if I understand it.
	But we were talking about Thomas Bearden and his sort of work on scalar Scalar weaponry, pulse weapons, and particle beam weapons.
	And is there anything you can say about that?
	Because I believe you're interested in getting the field to basically rotate, and you need something that stimulates it to do so.
	Is that correct?
	Well, I mean, that's the secret sauce, and I can't go into too much detail because of it.
	Pardon me, proprietary issue with the technology I am currently working on developing.
	And I don't have a patent right now, so we've got to keep it generalized.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Fair enough.
	Well, that's okay.
	Is there anything you want to say in response to what I did cover there?
	Are you familiar, for example, with Bearden's work?
	Do you want to comment on his work?
	For the listeners' benefit, and also point them in the direction of perhaps the Nazi bell, etc.
	Well, the Nazi bell, let's go into that first, because that, you know, it's sort of like looking at first the chicken or the egg, and the Nazi bell is the egg.
	If you look at a linear approach in history.
	And the Nazi scientists were working on On generating a counter-rotation system that rotated two drums between 45,000 RPM and upwards to 65,000 plus.
	In that particular drum, it had a concoction that was made up of what they called red mercury, which red mercury is kind of a misnomer.
	Mercury, as you know, is a silver color.
	It's a liquid metal, base metal, that is quite poisonous, as we all know.
	But you combine that with certain elements, like a radioactive isotope and a partial crystalline composite material inside the liquid mercury and rotate it, and then That radioactive isotope releases a steady stream of particles, charged particles.
	And then that excites the crystals that are within the matrix of the powder that you're introducing.
	And then with the rotation of the liquid mercury, you're generating counter-rotation gravity wells.
	Now, let's go into the history behind the Bell.
	Reportedly, the Bell scientists, several died because of field interactions that caused them to get sick and die.
	And it's like some parts of their body aged faster than other parts of their body.
	Now, here is a simple explanation.
	You're generating charged particles.
	You're accelerating them at a very high rate of acceleration.
	The research done on cosmic rays dealing with astronauts in space has proven that those particular charged particles can pass through any material, including the human body.
	And what it does is that it causes...
	Defects inside the cells because what it does is that it can destroy cells during that interaction.
	NASA has proven it.
	Take that same analogy and you're dealing with the Nazi Bell and it's emitting charged particles in the form of gamma rays and X-rays.
	You not only have the radiation effects that can cause radiation sickness, but you add the rotation to that.
	You're generating a field that can actually do...
	By the way, are you still there?
	Oh yeah, we are.
	We're here.
	Okay, I heard a beep and I thought somebody...
	Okay, hold one moment.
	Okay.
	The whole thing is that what you're dealing with is that you're dealing with the way to project charged particles out, and those particles can do the damage that we see that cost the lives not only of the Nazi scientists working on the Bell, but in a communication I had with a seroscientist when they did the Nazi Bell replication.
	In the late 90s, early 2000s, paid for it, by the way, by Joe Vermidge, one of their chief scientists on the project died because of the same effects that the Bell scientists had witnessed.
	The Nazi scientists had witnessed in Poland back in 1942 to 1940, late 1943, if I'm correct.
	So we're looking at that in perspective.
	Well, what does that deal or do with what I'm talking about theoretically and what Tom Beard is talking about?
	You're not only generating a very strong point singularity within that rotation, but it's emitting scalar waves.
	Sine wave that goes out and expands out from the initial point, allocated point where the point singularity is.
	And it's pulsed down and burst.
	Depending upon the speed of rotation also includes with that the amount of scalar waves being introduced into the environment at that point.
	NASA, or not only NASA, but military scientists, and Tom Bearden has talked about that in the past, knew his form back, even before the bell, from the theoretical work that they stole from Tesla when he died.
	You know, the FBI and other federal agents went in there and raided his safe.
	Uh, during, um, after he died, they found out, they found, uh, his, uh, writings on scalar weapons.
	Remember the death beam he talked about before he died?
	And it was those particular weapons and the explanations by Tesla and how those weapons worked that later led us in the rush to developing scalar weapons that have generalized effects that can take down weapons or even down to the more minute point.
	And I hope you don't mind me bringing this up.
	It has been reported that President Trump had an assassination attempt happen on him when he was traveling to England during his trip.
	Yes, that one of his security guards basically took the hit.
	It was at a golf course.
	And that was a scalar weapon that was designed to disrupt the heart.
	And to generate the effects not only of a heart attack, but of a stroke as well.
	Right.
	Okay, these are what Tom Bearden was talking about.
	This is why he stopped working on classified projects.
	Tom Bearden was the modern-day version of Nikola Tesla.
	And he got...
	Golly, you know, I... I feel bad for the guy because after he walked away from the research, he was harassed.
	And I think if he's still alive, he's still being harassed.
	I think that they may have used scalar weapons on him and it caused him to get ill, fiscally ill.
	And they threatened his life and his wife's life and his family.
	And from what I've heard recently, he doesn't want to talk anymore about anything because due to, in no small part, the threats made on him and his family's lives.
	I don't know, maybe you can confirm that or not, you've been in contact with him.
	I've tried getting a hold of him and he refuses to talk to me and I'm finding out that certain individuals in the UFO community did not want to talk to me because I was connected with the doctor.
	So, I guess the best way that I can explain is that when you're generating a rotational field, you're going to generate null space, which is going to generate a vacuum.
	Within that vacuum, you're stationary.
	You do not move, and time is just a relevant point.
	Think about Star Trek, or even more recently, the Orville.
	When you're dealing with generating that type of propulsion, when you're generating a negative null space, everything around you is still consistently in a 1G state, but everything around you, if you looked out of your windows, you'd see acceleration, but you wouldn't be.
	And I know for most people, when you're thinking about that, It may blow your mind, but I like going back to the analogy of a pebble and water and a river floor being stuck there.
	Think of that pebble as being the field or being the null space.
	The water that's flowing around it still consistently flows at a uniform rate of speed.
	Think about it though, if you applied pressure to that, that water would still flow faster.
	However, you would stay, as that pebble is being the field, stay stationary.
	And yes, the way you would detect a warp signature would be by looking at its scalar wave effect.
	And at a high rotation, the effect would come out as a corkscrew.
	You would see an anomaly in the magnetic field that would resemble...
	The best way of putting it is...
	How many of you, when you were kids, got aluminum cans, taken them and then twisted them one top and then the top one way and the bottom the other?
	And it generated that corkscrew in the middle.
	That's the type of effect that you would be able to see if you were able to generate a warp field.
	So Tom Bearden had it right, and so does Mr.
	Newman.
	He had it correct, too.
	Okay.
	It's Neumann, but that's okay.
	Neumann, I mean, sorry.
	Yeah, no problem.
	You know, there is also Clark McClelland, a former NASA engineer, I believe he was, who has reported on the Klecksburg, I think it's how you say it, Klecksburg, Or Kecksburg, a UFO that came through that was reportedly, in essence, a Nazi belt that showed up in the United States and seems to have come through a portal, if I understand it correctly.
	You familiar with that case?
	No, I'm familiar with the .
	Hello?
	Yeah, can you hear me?
	Just then we couldn't hear you, but go ahead.
	Okay, yeah.
	Hold one moment.
	I'm having trouble with this wonderful phone.
	Every time I try to speak or something, and this is why I think people are monitoring it, every time I try to make statements about certain subjects, I can hear the other person.
	They can't hear me.
	So if we keep having this trouble, I apologize to the listeners.
	Please be understanding.
	Yeah, I do believe the Kecksburg incident happened in 1965.
	People were indicating that it may have traveled through time, through a portal in time, from the 1940s onwards to 1965 and then landed in Kecksburg, Pennsylvania.
	I have another idea.
	The Nazis were working on anti-gravity technology, from what historical references have stated, in the 1930s to 1944 before the fall of the Third Reich.
	Reportedly, some of those technologies were delivered or transported away from Germany And two, a base in the bottom of Argentina and one in Antarctica.
	Right.
	And that if we look at Project High Jump, which was a military attack, they were sending the Navy plus the Army Air Corps in there to bomb that base.
	Right.
	Admiral Byrd was in charge.
	He knew what the covert program really was, was to take out the Nazis.
	But they said it was supposed to be for scientific purposes only.
	However, within three to six months, or three to six weeks, what would have been a six-month tour, they ended it abruptly and came home with their tails between their legs.
	And the way Admiral Byrd stated it is that there's a technology on the earth that can fly at enormous speeds from pole to pole.
	And it's a technology that we have no defense against.
	That's what he stated in the Argentine newspaper after the failed high jump attempt had been done and they were ordered to pull back.
	Oh, I think over 100 men died.
	Right.
	Well, there was a battle there.
	William Tompkins, the witness I interviewed for, I think, three hours, if people are interested, who died recently, actually.
	He testified about that battle, claiming that it was with a very, you know, an ET race that is very well lodged down in Antarctica, basically.
	So, yes, I mean, this stuff is known.
	So, are you claiming, in essence, that the Kecksburg Bell, if you want to call it that, you believe it came from, what, Antarctica or Argentina?
	Where are you claiming it comes from?
	Well, one of the other, one of the two Nazi bases, either in Argentina or Antarctica.
	And what happened was, I think it was purposely given to the United States.
	I think that the U.S. military, the reason why they were there in Kecksburg so quickly, and courting off the area, As quickly as they did after the craft impacted was because they had prior knowledge and they knew exactly the coordinates where it was going to be landing.
	They went in there and they took it.
	Fair enough.
	Absolutely.
	All right.
	We have been going a while here.
	I want to see if we're covering everything we need to cover.
	I also want to allow the people in the chat room to ask you questions if that's okay.
	So if there is anyone in the chat room that wants to ask a question, please put it in all caps and we'll do that.
	So basically...
	We'll go from here and if anyone again wants to ask questions, please do so.
	Now in terms of this kind of campaign against you, and these are things that just for the record, for those of you listening who aren't familiar with Project Camelot, we interviewed Brian O'Leary many years ago and He testified.
	He was a former astronaut.
	He was slated to go to Mars.
	In case you're not familiar with Brian O'Leary, do a search.
	But you can watch my interview with him in person in Vilcabamba before he died.
	And we understand or believe that he was killed.
	Probably because of the research he did with regard to free energy and alternative energy scientists.
	He went around the world before he died.
	He wrote a book about it, or more than one book, actually.
	And he did interview these scientists around the world.
	So this sort of...
	Pushback from the powers that be, trying to bury this subject matter, trying to put out disinfo, trying to discredit the free energy scientists and inventors, etc., is well known and has been going on for a very long time.
	There is indications at this time, obviously, to the stars and with the public face that they're presenting, as well as with the firmage many one.
	And you could even say that...
	What's his name?
	Okay, his name is...
	You know, it's like you get a blank...
	But at any rate, he's the guy who runs Tesla.
	He is also Elon Musk presenting a public face to a slow, like molasses, disclosure that there's other forms of energy out there that oil and gas and all of this nonsense is...
	Ridiculous and that individuals who live on the planet, we own the planet, we should not be charged for living here.
	We should not be charged for energy that we use because the energy is In our ether, it's everywhere.
	And of course they're worried about the weaponization of this energy, perhaps with good reason.
	Although, you know, it's kind of the same thing that anything else would be.
	So if Iran or North Korea and the ETs behind those countries have access to these technologies, which of course they do, And the U.S. space program, you know, U.S.-U.K., joint effort with Russia, etc., space program, secret space program, has access to all these technologies.
	It's kind of a stalemate.
	You're back to square one.
	It doesn't matter what the form of technology is.
	You still, you know, if you eliminate one side, the other side will retaliate, etc., Or their cohorts and friends and allies and so on.
	So there's no point in destroying ourselves in every way in order to prove that your side has something someone else doesn't and so on and so forth.
	So the playing field is being revealed slowly but surely in shows like mine.
	And I applaud this so-called effort of these organizations that are trying, supposedly, and perhaps the members, some of them, like Pudov and others, may have good intentions coming forward.
	They may actually want to see this stuff get into the public domain, some of the players.
	They may be being sabotaged by some of the other players that they're working with.
	This goes on all the time.
	This is what MJ-12 is full of.
	You've got the individuals who want to disclose the ET presence and you've got the individuals who don't ever want to lose their power as they see it and disclose the ET presence and the fact that we're not alone, etc.
	So this is the story and that's the overall view.
	Now, Paul, I am looking for questions here in the chat, but in the meanwhile, do you want to say any comments with regard to what I've just said or cover anything that you haven't felt that you got a chance to talk about?
	Well, let me remind people what I talked about in the last interview.
	The doctor...
	Is a known disinformationalist.
	Now, he will never come public himself.
	He will never get on a radio show and talk.
	I would rather do a show with him if he would be willing to quit trying to play the puppet master and just come forward and make his statements public.
	Instead of using the producer or the philosopher or even the Canadian, you know who I'm talking about?
	Yes.
	Okay, to do his dirty work for him and let him speak for himself.
	Now the thing is, what we're looking at here is a controlled bit of disinformation.
	You sprinkle a little bit of the truth, and then you put a whole bunch of crap in.
	And people hear the truth in the little bit, the little minutia of truth, and then they think the whole bunch of crap behind it has got to be real.
	And I want to encourage all your listeners to use your heads.
	Think about Occam's razor.
	The simplest explanation is generally the best one.
	And the thing is, if you look at To the Stars Academy and Many One, they both have one thing in common.
	There are actually multiple things in common.
	Many One has Hal put off in common with To the Stars.
	But they both want to, you know, bring forth technology that, in my own opinion, my logical opinion, this technology...
	Key people do not want out in public.
	They believe it's a threat not only to national security, but also to the welfare and economic status of certain corporations here in our country and on our planet.
	This technology, more than the ET realities, is the most that is a threat to the status quo.
	They don't mind us knowing that little gray men are abducting people.
	That's not the threat.
	But the whole point, and even Dr.
	Greer is correct on this.
	The whole point though is that they release the reality, Carrie, the ET reality, release the truth on it, then they have to release the truth about the tech.
	Yes, they go hand in hand.
	They go hand in hand.
	And what the doctor does is that his job, and he's told me this on multiple occasions, is that his job is to stop it using whatever means necessary.
	Even if it means infiltration of two groups that can actually release the technology.
	He's going to do whatever he can because it's part of his mandate.
	He's just doing his job.
	But he does it well and he's done it efficiently for over 40 years now.
	But his job is to put the kibosh on anything that could be detrimental to national security interest and to the economic interest of the United States of America.
	Okay.
	Well, that's true in part.
	However, he works for an organization that is worldwide.
	And there is sort of an illusion that we have countries.
	But these countries are not, they're more like corporations, if you can think of it that way.
	And so the people that are running the things behind the scene, which are higher up, by the way, than the doctor, as you're calling him, Doctor Who.
	But nonetheless, they are the ones calling the shots and they are viewing the bigger playing field having to do with, in essence, these corporations working with each other or against each other in competition.
	Keeping corporations like Russia and the United States at odds.
	And Jordan Maxwell, who's an excellent Camelot witness, basically you can study his work to get more about this, how Russia and the U.S. are basically two wings of the same bird.
	And they're also using, you know, China is a corporation, North Korea is a corporation.
	And so what they're doing is business.
	They're doing business with these countries.
	There are ET races that are doing business with these countries.
	They're doing business with individuals that are representing Groups of corporations, in essence, groups of what we call countries, which is an old, outdated concept, because we are a galactic civilization, and galactics really prefer to deal with One or two representatives of the entire planet, rather than, you know, breaking it up to, you know, silly rivalries.
	So this is where we're going in the future.
	This is another way of looking at it.
	And so I appreciate the reference to the United States here in sort of being very sort of ethnocentric about the United States.
	But in reality, it's much bigger than that.
	Of course, the United States and Britain cannot be divorced from each other.
	They're completely intertwined.
	And other countries as well, such as Australia and others.
	It's a very big playing field.
	And when we get into politics and we get into all of this, you know, you can't talk about one subject without kind of rolling into another, as people listening to this can clearly see.
	So far, I haven't seen any questions in the chat that really have been stimulating in any substantial way.
	So until I do, I won't be asking those questions of our guest.
	So, you know, you can work a little harder to ask intelligent questions, or we can just move on and close this down and perhaps come back another day with more ideas.
	Sort of information concepts and guests, obviously.
	So, Paul, as things stand now at this time, don't you have a GoFundMe?
	So you're welcome to talk about that so that people can contribute to you, to your cause, and to the cause of at least one free energy activist who is working to try to break the stronghold That the powers that be have over these concepts and certainly the technology itself.
	And it's true that lots of free energy inventors and activists have been killed over the years.
	And you could even probably lump Gordon Novell in that group.
	And Brian O'Leary and others.
	So, comments, Paul?
	Well, first of all, thank you again for having me on your show.
	And regarding my GoFundMe campaign, the page is GoFundMe.com forward slash moving dash and dash tech dash development.
	I know that's a whole lot to write down, but I think you may have a link to that, do you not, Carrie?
	I did send you one of them.
	We put a link on our front page for Paul.
	And I'm going to see if I can get it and put it on the screen here so people can see.
	But it's on the front page.
	And so you can get the link and you can basically go over there and contribute to his cause there.
	And let me see if I can get this on the screen.
	So just stand by for one moment.
	And do you have any way that people can get in touch with you?
	Are you putting out an email address or any other thing if you'd like?
	And $1,000, let me just say that $1,000 is a very small goal.
	So I don't know.
	I think you should raise that.
	But nonetheless, please, you know, people that are seeing this, obviously, he probably needs a lot more money than that to survive.
	But go ahead.
	Yeah, I decided to, you know, I was trying to put up like $10,000 at the beginning and I wasn't getting anybody to donate.
	So I decided to do a minimum of $1,000 and then give anyone an opportunity to donate as much as they want or to donate as many times.
	The minimum donation on GoFundMe is $5.
	Now, I don't get all of that.
	Part of that goes through the processing fees that GoFundMe charges.
	So I might get maybe $2 or $3 out of that.
	That's quite a bit.
	That's quite a cut.
	That's quite a cut.
	Yeah, but the thing is, if I could get maybe 1,000 people to donate $5 a piece, that's $5,000.
	And I was hoping to get it down to $1, and when I tried to find out if I could do that, they wouldn't allow it because they had to subtract the necessary fees, is what I found out.
	But if any of you could donate at least $5 towards my campaign.
	Any amount will do, and it will be appreciated.
	It's going to go towards helping me keep myself afloat.
	But more importantly, I'm planning on doing a move out of the area where I'm at, down to Texas to be closer to my daughter, my grandkids, and my mother and my brother.
	And when I'm down there, I plan to get a place where I can do the build of the initial prototype Which, at the most for materials cost, should be around between, I'd say, $3,000 to $5,000.
	Now, I want your listeners to understand that.
	You're talking classified programs that have been milking billions, if not trillions of dollars, out of the U.S. coffers for programs that they could have gotten done for next to nothing.
	Now, why should we be paying $500 to $700 for a toilet seat cover for an aircraft or even $100 to $200 for a wrench?
	You could go down to the local hardware store or Walmart and buy for $14 to $20.
	Now, you tell me.
	There's something wrong with that.
	And with me, I want to be able to show that this technology can be done It can be done relatively inexpensively and it will allow us to be put on a more even keel with even the elite on this planet than what we currently are now.
	This is exactly what this technology can do and will do for humanity.
	And also we need to think about what's going to happen if we get hit by an asteroid or by a comet or some other piece of an artifact out there in space that could generate an ELE, an extinction level event.
	How are we going to deal with that and how will we survive as a species?
	We need to get off planet.
	Do we not carry and then start looking elsewhere?
	Well, the secret space program is definitely going down that road already.
	But of course, they're not trying to protect people here on Earth from any of it.
	Oh, I agree with that, and that's why I think we need to really consider funding projects like mine.
	And there are several other people out there, garage researchers, who are doing excellent work and being threatened by our government to keep quiet by people like the doctor and others.
	We need to take a stand to make a change, a change for humanity's welfare.
	And in order to do that, we need to take a leap of faith And get out there and fund people like me.
	I'm not asking for a whole lot.
	Right.
	I'm just asking for enough to where I can support what I'm doing.
	And like I said, if I could get $10,000, that would be really nice.
	That would give me a cushion, and I could do the work I need to do.
	Right.
	But I mean, $1,000, you know, I'm just trying to be...
	Trying to be understanding about the people making donations.
	And I know for a lot of people it's kind of taxing.
	But if you have just $5 that you can donate to my GoFundMe campaign, it would be totally appreciated.
	And here's one thing I won't promise on the air.
	If I get an opportunity to get the testing done and to show whether or not the device will work.
	Because it's a combination, I won't tell you this much, it's a hybrid between the Bell, the Nazi Bell technology and the EM drive.
	That's all I'm going to say.
	And I'm not going to go into any more detail because if I do, Then my ability to be able to capitalize on it with the pattern will be jeopardized.
	So what I'd like to do is build that and once I get it built, you'll be able to see the links.
	I'll set up a YouTube page so you can see the testing.
	And number two, once I'm able to get it successfully tested, then I will commission someone to make tabletop models, Of the device and ship them off to the people who have invested in the program or in the project.
	And this will be my way of thanking you for all the help that you've given.
	I give my word on that.
	Okay, very good.
	Now we have one question here.
	I'm not sure if it's along the lines of what you can reply to, but it says F sharp major chord combined with red mercury equals what?
	Does that make any sense to you?
	F sharp?
	I know where that's coming from.
	F sharp.
	I know what it means, F sharp, if you think about a frequency.
	Yeah, I mean, you know, Dan Verish talks about these acoustics as well, so it probably goes down that level.
	Think about pulsing the red mercury with a microwave at a set frequency, but I can't go into any more detail than that.
	Okay, and also, you know, the fact that stones resonate with sound.
	I mean, the sound technology to move matter is, you know, in the Great Pyramid.
	This is investigations that Michael Tellinger has gotten involved in, and there are others that have gone down this road as well, so that's well known.
	There's a lot of documentation of that.
	So it is an important aspect of things.
	Let me mention this, because maybe you can reply to it before we leave the air here.
	Ralph Ring is a Camelot witness, and he testified to us quite a number of years ago, but has stayed active in the community, from what I understand.
	And he worked with Otis Carr.
	And they did create basically what was in essence a saucer and they went inside and on Otis Carr's direction they were told to meditate on the color aqua.
	You might call it turquoise.
	And they then sat in this, and it had a crystal in the craft, as the story goes.
	And they were able to teleport that craft to another destination and then back again, successfully.
	And they took it to, I think it was GM, if I remember how the story goes.
	And the guy says, if you put them up, we'll shoot them down.
	That's the head of GM somewhere in Southern California.
	So that was his story, and basically it short-circuited his career, etc.
	And you can see the Ralph Ring interviews and all the documentation that go along with it on the Project Camelot website all those years ago.
	So I just want to throw that out because you're talking about sound frequency, but there's also the necessary component that has to do with color.
	And also crystals.
	So, you know, you haven't touched on anything like that, Paul.
	I don't know if you've gone down that road at all, but I just want to throw that out to our viewers because Camelot has been dealing with concepts of this nature for quite a long time.
	Any thoughts before we let you go, Paul?
	Well, I was thinking of Otis Carr telling his people to think In terms of Ottawa, I want you to think about how the brain generates frequencies.
	And how, when you think of a certain thought, a certain frequency, and with a series of people, matching frequencies occur, which then can be resonated into a crystal and used as a form of energy, scalar effect.
	just an idea and for the rest very good go ahead and just for the rest of the people if you get a chance you can also find my paper at academia.edu or even look up gravitational propulsion in a fluid membrane And you can find it by doing a search, internet search.
	And more importantly, I'm also an author.
	You can find a book that I wrote, Redemption, A Prophecy Chronicle Story, on Amazon.com for either download for Kindle and or you can order the paperback.
	And that would also help me with my own programs and everything I might need at this particular point.
	And I think that's just about it.
	Carrie, thank you.
	Alright, well thank you for being here on the show and I'm gonna let you go and we'll be in touch and please do everyone see the first interview we did with Paul because it's a very important background to this one.
	So I'm gonna hang up on you Paul and then continue my last comments here.
	So bye.
	Okay, bye.
	And I want to say that there's a lot more to delve into here in this story and so on, but it's great when we can give a creative Free energy scientist,
	a chance to have a platform and talk about his investigations to make sure he attempts to discredit him do not succeed and also want to say that We're always interested in stories that people might have, so please do contact me at carrie at projectcamelot.tv.
	I often bring people on the show that are complete unknowns and try to help them launch whatever it is they're all about.
	I also want to say that we're about to release the footage from my Awaken Aware 2018 conference that was It was conducted in the UK not long ago.
	I think it was actually July, early July.
	So it's quite an effort.
	You shoot the thing and then you have to edit it and make sure that it's got good sound, etc.
	So it's quite a job.
	And it's about to be released on Vimeo.
	It will be for a very reasonable price.
	And anything you do to contribute to that, obviously purchasing either the streaming of individual speakers or the whole package, is going to be a contribution to Project Camelot that is very welcome.
	And so that's coming out very, very soon in the next few days, maybe even tonight if we can get it together.
	And what else?
	Also, our interview in person with Richard Alan Miller, the physicist that we did last week, we're also compiling that into a video and we're going to put that online.
	Richard Alan Miller is having a great deal of problems staying alive.
	He's been hit by the powers that be and by, you know, individuals We're good to go.
	And I guess, I don't know if he's trying to sue them or what's going on, but at any rate, he also has a GoFundMe out there, Richard Alan Miller.
	You can search for that.
	I think I have that on my front page now as well.
	And I just want to say that he's a wonderful physicist.
	He's a magician and he goes back to the early days of You know, Crowley and, you know, all of that, that sort of sex magic, etc., and reveals a lot of information.
	In that score, he was training SEAL teams.
	He's a Navy SEAL himself and was training those teams to go out and use SciTech methods in order to handle themselves on the battlefield.
	So he's been a loyal American, obviously, all his life and needs our help to stay alive at this time.
	And is really being attacked in a great way.
	He came forward revealing a huge amount of data.
	He's been on multiple radio shows and also all over YouTube.
	And I have interviewed him a number of times already.
	I can say that our in-person at-his-home interview is going to be quite fascinating for everyone.
	So that's going to come out quite soon as well.
	So again, if you appreciate my work, I'm also in dire straits right now financially due to not being paid from various travel and conferences I did over the summer so far.
	And so if you can contribute to us, the donate page, I'll put that on the screen where you can go to donate on Project Camelot.
	Anything is helpful.
	And what else can I tell you?
	Oh, Peter Padgett, one of our witnesses recently, they attempted to assassinate him.
	I've just put that on an article on my front page, a short article written by him about the assassination attempt.
	He is a fascinating man who worked as a spy for Her Majesty's government.
	He's also something of a magician himself.
	He knows a great deal about esoteric knowledge.
	He's been a speaker at my Awake and Aware conference in England for many years now.
	I've been doing that for, I think, four or five years.
	And wonderful man.
	I've interviewed him on Project Camelot on my main YouTube channel, where, by the way, this video is going to go over to that main channel now that we're done Broadcasting.
	So I'm not allowed to broadcast live on my main channel, for those that don't know, because I interviewed James Fetzer and Ole Damogard about false flag attacks.
	Something that is known, that Pearl Harbor was a false flag, that Gulf of Tompkins was a false flag, that the Nazis' Reichstag fire was a false flag.
	So there's nothing weird about that word, but if you say that word on YouTube, They will, or especially write it into your comments or title something with that on it.
	They will give you a strike and eventually delete your channel.
	So, it's happened to many other people besides me.
	They gave me two strikes.
	Those strikes have now expired, but they are not reinstating my ability to broadcast from my main YouTube channel.
	And the reason that matters is that the main YouTube channel that I have and have been using for many, many years I'm a YouTube director and a YouTube partner.
	I have over 200,000, I think it's 202,000 subscribers, and I have over 58 million viewers worldwide, which is soon to be 59 million.
	We've gone up by another million.
	Recently.
	So when I can't go live there, then all those subscribers don't get notified until I put this video on that channel.
	Luckily, I can still move a video over there.
	I have to edit it because they don't allow duplicate postings on your two channels.
	But that's what's happening.
	So they have sort of cobbled me down and made it so I have less viewers, which means I make less money.
	And since all my income comes from YouTube, I now am struggling to survive as I've been talking about.
	So that's how it works.
	Thanks for listening and watching.
	Thanks for your support.
	If you have tried to support me over the years, it's much appreciated by me, by my webmaster.
	Who haven't paid for two weeks because they can't afford it.
	And my partner, Neil Anthony Sanford, who does wonderful editing and filming of live events, as well as, you know, editing videos when we need to, and also doing all of the banners that you see, the wonderful, colorful, artistic banners.
	So thanks for your help.
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