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July 23, 2018 - Project Camelot

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PAUL PRICE: WARP DRIVE AND DISCLOSURE, AVIARY, TO THE STARS

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	Thank you.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and this has been kind of a strange situation, but we are going live regardless, and I've got Paul Price here with me.
	He will not be on video because we've already had some interference.
	This is going to be a very interesting show.
	I suppose there's some reasons why the powers that be might try to interfere as you'll see.
	But he is a warp drive inventor, that's what I'm calling him, and a free energy activist.
	And I think he said his hero is Tesla.
	So, Paul, welcome to the show.
	How are you?
	I'm doing great, Carrie, and how are you?
	I'm fine.
	I know you're using a phone.
	So, for those that are listening, we're going to try to bear with all of that, and hopefully this is going to all work.
	So, what I'd like you to do is give an introduction about yourself before we sort of launch into everything.
	And again, you know, I do have a disclaimer that I put on my shows.
	I would prefer that if you're going to name names that you use people's initials, you know, even just a first initial or a last initial, that sort of thing as we agreed, okay?
	You got it.
	Let me give you a quick bio.
	I'm 50 years old.
	I'm an author.
	I'm a scientific researcher.
	And the research point that I deal with is gravitational propulsion physics.
	I've written a paper that I presented at the State 2 conference called I've written a book called Redemption of Prophecy Chronicle Story.
	You can find the book at Amazon.com, both in paperback and e-book Kindle format.
	And I am a free energy advocate.
	I have been for over 20 years.
	My hero in the technological world, I have two heroes.
	One is Nikola Tesla, the other one is Thomas Townsend Brown.
	Tesla, as many people may know, invented the alternating current engine, which now is being currently used, pardon the pun, to generate electricity as we know it and use currently today.
	He was a futurist and he had the foresight of knowing that technology could be used to benefit mankind and not be used against mankind.
	I have connections within the intelligence community because of my work in gravitational physics.
	I've been involved with certain sources in the intelligence community, and I hope, Carrie, you don't mind me breaking up the name of a mutual friend of ours who passed away.
	That's fine.
	That's absolutely fine.
	Gordon Novell.
	And certain people that are, pardon me, that weren't in his close circle of acquaintances and friends I'm associated with, A artist known for the Fluxliner alien reproduction vehicle.
	His initials are M.M., a former assistant director of national intelligence and head of the, quote, spooky desk at the CIA, Dr.
	I'll call him Dr.
	Who.
	Okay, that's a good way of putting it.
	Yeah, that's a good one.
	Yeah.
	And another one, another doctor who's more of a medical neurophysiologist, who was at one time had the same job as Doctor Who, and I'll call him just Doctor G. A colonel who's got a PhD in phenology,
	which is C.J., Colonel J., And other individuals who are part of what they now call the aviary group.
	Okay, and we're also going to be talking about, I can say this much, we can say, we are going to talk about To the Stars and some of the players there, although we won't necessarily name them individually.
	Yeah, and also the Mini One organization.
	Now, there was a There's kind of a competition between the two because they both have ideas towards generating free energy and electro-gravitic craft, but they're in competition with one another.
	And Doctor Who has had his hand in both organizations, Two of the Stars, And Many One.
	Let me just stop you there.
	Many One, are you referring to...
	Oh God, what's his name?
	You can say his name.
	Joe.
	Yes, Joe Furman.
	You can say his name so that people know that's the organization that he represents, right?
	Yeah, and with To the Stars, can I use the name of the front man there?
	Everybody knows who he is.
	Yes.
	Tom DeLonge.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Now, before you continue, what I want you to do is set the scene, because I'd like you to talk about your paper, why you came under notice of the sort of...
	I'm sorry that I had an issue with a phone call coming in.
	I had to briefly stop it.
	Okay.
	Can you talk about how you got involved, why you came under their notice, the paper that you wrote on warp drives?
	Well, let's go back even further.
	All right.
	Back in 1991 to 92, or 90 to 91, Okay, during that time frame, I worked for the Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas.
	And I was working in the capacity at that time of a dishwasher, pot washer at the time, in the cafeteria.
	I kept having a reoccurring thought in my head that I just could not do.
	Get it out of my head about a device that, you know, I kept dreaming about called, I later named it the electromagnetic pulse reaction engine.
	The idea was for a pulse detonation engine that would use plasma instead of fuel and would use magnetic fields to generate the plasma.
	And this I found out later before my termination from NASA, which I was fired because I mentioned it.
	I found out later from a security guard friend of mine.
	I'm not going to mention his name here.
	He has since retired, but I would rather not mention his name on the show tonight because he was a close personal family friend.
	He helped me get the job out there at NASA. And by mentioning his name on the show, it could jeopardize him, and I don't want to do that.
	And it's pinching him.
	But he came to me afterwards and told me why I had been fired.
	Now, there were National Security Agency agents, which I called the men in black because they were wearing black suits, black ties, and, you know, the usual black sunglasses.
	They would go in and check on me every two weeks and ask me how I was doing.
	And they contacted this friend of mine and told him before I was terminated that I had been talking about sensitive compartmentalized information.
	And I asked my friend, well, what do you mean?
	His name is Ron.
	I'll tell you that much, but not mention his last name.
	And Ron told me You know what?
	You were talking about sensitive compartmentalized information.
	I asked him why he mentioned that.
	He goes, you know that invention you were telling everybody you were working on?
	I go, yeah.
	He goes, NASA and the Air Force were working on a similar technology under a classified program, and they could not understand how you got that design.
	And I said, it just came to me.
	And he goes...
	And here's what they thought.
	told me, Ron told me what they thought that I had done.
	Either A, I had access to classified computer database, didn't do it.
	B, that I had overheard a conversation in the cafeteria by some of the research scientists working on the project.
	That never happened.
	And there was C, and it was before it ever became public, that they thought that I might have remotely viewed the material in my mind.
	Right.
	Now, I want to get that point clear.
	And let me go back to 1974, time frame 75.
	As a child, I had an above genius level IQ. It was tested.
	And I got bored with doing schoolwork, as most geniuses are.
	You know, I didn't want to do it.
	It bored me.
	And I would rather look out the window and watch music.
	Birds fly than to do the crap that they were wanting me to do.
	Well, because of that, my teachers got worried about me and sent me to, and this was in Missoula, Montana at the time, and sent me to the University of Montana Research Center where they did a battery of tests on me.
	I found out later that the CIA had covertly funded a program where they were looking for young potential possibility, young remote viewers.
	And what happened was that they did a test on me, and I forgot the name of the test right now.
	But it's the one where they flip and show the symbols on a card.
	Right.
	And you're required to, you know, guess what the symbols are.
	And randomly, you're going to make, you know, even just by random chance, make one symbol.
	It's when you make no symbols or all symbols, and you're able to protect them, that there's an anomaly.
	Well, I missed all of them, and they found out when they did the test results that I was five ahead in the sequence, which shows that I have precognitive capability.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	Continue.
	And this is where they got the idea that I might have remote viewed that information years later.
	And I didn't even know what remote viewing was at the time.
	And it didn't become public until after Doctor Who did a report which actually cut the funding and declassified the program at that time.
	About a year later.
	And then that's when it became Project Stargate and Girl Flame and the other projects under the remote viewing program had become public knowledge.
	So, and also that led me to do research on anti-gravity and during that time, I had been watched very closely afterwards by government officials since I had been terminated by the FBI And CIA-affiliated groups had watched me, even black helicopters, and I was able to tell unmarked helicopters.
	A few were Apache gunships and Comanche troop carriers.
	Okay, but wait a minute, because are you jumping ahead to when you got fired as a dishwasher?
	Yes.
	Well, I'm actually after that and I'm trying to tell you how these people and I connected.
	Okay, but you kind of skipped a whole lot of time.
	So how did you get into making your invention leading up to when you got a job and why did you get a job as a dishwasher at NASA? Well, that's a good question.
	I had always wanted to be an astronaut ever since I was a child.
	And the basic problem was I found out when I was 20 years old, I found out that I had epilepsy.
	And with that, went my dreams of becoming an astronaut out the window.
	And I had to deal with a lot of pseudo-depression stuff afterwards because My ultimate goal and my ultimate dream was shattered.
	And during that time, though, I had always thought, well, if I can't be an astronaut, I will go to work for NASA doing whatever because I wanted to work for the space program.
	And during about a six-month period, from Pasadena, Texas, where I lived, I would ride the 12-mile ride from where I lived down to the Johnson Space Center, apply and go in and Ask if I could get a job.
	And then we'll ride all the way back.
	And I was bound and determined at that time to get a job.
	Well, I finally broke through and got the job.
	However, when I got the job, you know, I was doing menial labor.
	And my boss was trying to get me to get into a special program where they would have paid for my education.
	And he thought that I would do good as an engineer.
	Even though that was never my aspiration, my ultimate goal was to become a fighter pilot and then work my way up and become a space shuttle pilot.
	But, you know, being that I had epilepsy, that just nixed that all in all.
	So I went, you know, and I tried to go through that thing to get my degree and all.
	But then I had that overriding design in my head, what I call the thought experiment, that later became the electromagnetic pulse reaction engine.
	Okay, great.
	Yeah.
	And I didn't even think the idea would work, but it was one of those particular things that I just couldn't get out of my head.
	It was right there, and I couldn't sleep at times because I'm thinking, I could see the mechanics.
	I could simulate it in my head.
	And I go, well...
	And I started, I will admit, to kind of obsess over the idea.
	Now, to let your listeners know, I'm part of the autism spectrum, Asperger's, but high-end.
	And that's where a lot of my quirks come from and, you know, the over-obsessiveness...
	I'm looking at designs because I kept looking at it and thinking, I don't think this will work, but I could see how it would work in my head.
	And it kind of bothered the crap out of me.
	And I had to ask somebody who had an engineering degree, do you think it'll work?
	And what happened was, when I went there and I had to go in for my yearly fiscal in Building 8, Where the clinic is.
	It was weird that that very day, I'd been to that clinic up to 10 times before, but that very day that I went to go in for my yearly fiscal, my memory had been like white.
	It was gone.
	I couldn't remember how to get to Building 8.
	And I went all the way down to Mission Control.
	They sent me all the way on the other side of the facility.
	And then those people sent me on the opposite end, away from Building 8.
	And I thought, this is kind of strange, and I got kind of perturbed about it, to say the very least.
	And I finally ran into a guy by the name of John Evans, who reportedly worked as an engineer for the Life Sciences Directorate at the time.
	I found out later that he was an investigator for the NASA Inspector General's office.
	And during the time when I worked there, they had Operation Lightning Strike, FBI sting operation, looking for We had employees at NASA that were doing corporate espionage.
	But I went to him and he told me a little bit about himself, wanted to know about me.
	He was going to the clinic and he took me there.
	And I asked him point blank, I said, John, you're an engineer.
	Do you think this idea will work?
	And he goes, what are you working on?
	The electromagnetic pulse reaction engine.
	His response to me was really telling.
	He goes, keep it down.
	We don't want everybody to hear it.
	And I'm going, well, what are you talking about?
	I'm going, okay.
	And then he goes, draw me what you're seeing in your mind.
	And I drew it on a napkin.
	About nine weeks after that, I was terminated.
	Incredible.
	And it was because, as I found out from Ron later on, and he came to me like three days before my termination.
	And my nickname's Rick, and if you see Rick in the chat room, it comes from Richard.
	My father's name is Paul.
	So my mother and my father decided to give me the nickname, not only to honor my uncle Rick, but also to help differentiate me between my father, the two Pauls, by the nickname.
	And I remember Ron always called me Rick, and then he abruptly, when he saw me three days before my termination, he comes to me and says, Paul, we need to talk.
	And I'm working.
	I'm starting to wipe off tables.
	I go, okay, Ron, what do you want?
	He goes, you need to start shutting your mouth.
	And I go, what for?
	He goes, you know what for?
	And I go, no, I don't.
	He goes, think about it.
	You know what for?
	And I'll go, okay, I'll take your word for it.
	I won't talk about anything.
	And what he did, he goes, good idea.
	But he told me, and then after I was terminated, that's when he revealed to me why it was one of the NSA security guys he knew told him, you better tell Paul to keep his mouth shut.
	You're his friend.
	Because from what was indicated, they were going to take out executive action on me.
	Do you know what that term is?
	Yeah, so they're going to take you out, right?
	Correct.
	Well, it was then that I started doing my research in depth into anti-gravity technology and warp drive.
	I hadn't even thought about it until then.
	Okay, what year is this?
	1991.
	All right.
	And I started doing academic studies on the physics behind it.
	And the ironic part, the name T. Townsend Brown came up in most, if not all, of the literature that I read on electrogravitics or anti-gravity technology.
	The ironic part is I met Thomas Townsend Brown in Catalina Island in 1972 when our family did a trip to Catalina Island.
	I met his wife Marjorie.
	And I met, later on, Thomas Townsend Brown.
	Okay, so did you know who he was at the time?
	No, I did not.
	And what happened was, this is kind of a funny story.
	My father took us on a road trip.
	He didn't really want to.
	We were living in San Diego, or in Oceanside at the time.
	And my mother wanted to go to Catalina Island, and we took the ferry, but he wasn't really happy about that.
	He didn't want to go to Catalina at the time, with at the time four young kids.
	And my mom took us there, and my father, God bless him, he was kind of cheap.
	He didn't want to have to spend money at a restaurant.
	He didn't want to be on Catalina Island to begin with.
	And he didn't want to have to expend any money Any money to take us into a restaurant in order to use the bathroom.
	So I remember he had my mom knock on all these doors going down the street.
	Everybody kept saying no, but one lady answered the door and she goes, well, here's what, let me go ask my husband.
	So he goes back there and remember kids, especially boys when they're about four or five, They got the bladder the size of a frickin' pea.
	Or a walnut.
	Okay?
	Very small.
	And I was in pain and I wanted to use the bathroom bad.
	She said it was okay.
	But then she told me to wait.
	That I needed to be a gentleman.
	This woman did.
	So I waited until all my siblings went in there.
	And then I went in there after them.
	And then as I got out of the bathroom...
	This woman, Marjorie, started asking my father about his kids.
	And he told them about my older sister, my two older sisters.
	Then she came to me, well, what about your older son?
	He wants to be a scientist-astronaut.
	And she goes, well, my husband is a scientist.
	Do you think your son would like to meet him?
	And my dad goes, I don't see why not.
	So she goes back, wait right here, and she went back to his workshop.
	Her name was Marjorie Brown.
	So she takes me back there, and she goes, Rick, I want to introduce you to my husband, Thomas Townsend Brown.
	And at the time, he was working with rocks, literally.
	And he goes, would you like to see that a rock holds a charge?
	And I go, yes, sir.
	And he puts two leads of a voltmeter there and he goes, watch this.
	Watch that arm.
	And I'm going, cool.
	He goes, I bet you never thought about that, did you?
	And I go, no, sir.
	He goes, do you like this?
	I go, yes, sir.
	And I had no idea who this guy was until years later when I did my anti-gravity research and lo and behold, I met Thomas Townsend Brown.
	Fabulous.
	And And I have to tell everybody, he was one of the nicest men I ever met.
	And he knew how to convey scientific principles, even to a young five-year-old.
	And, you know, and I will never forget that.
	And one of the reasons, believe it or not, why I remember going there and why it stuck in my head was because I remember we had to use the bathroom.
	And that actually imprinted it into my memory, which I guess...
	I've got to be thankful for that hearty heart.
	Okay, now I want to ask you one other thing.
	Now, I don't want to interrupt your train of thought either, so you can continue with what you're going to say, but I want you at some point to tell us where you think you got this scientific aptitude.
	Did it come from your family line?
	You know, father, mother, where did it come from?
	Grandfather, that sort of thing.
	Well, can I fast forward in the story real quickly to a meeting of a man who actually gave me a eureka moment?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	In 1999, I started going to college at San Antonio Junior College and taking courses to get a degree in computer science.
	There was an individual who went to my friend at the time, Donald, He was taking a course in parapsychology in the psychology department.
	And for some oddball reason, this man, who I had never met before, wanted to get to know me and asked Don to introduce us.
	In fact, the way Don related to me is, my teacher, Billy Rose, Professor Rose, asked me about you and said he wanted to meet you.
	And I go, never met the guy before in my life.
	And I thought, okay.
	Well, I go and meet him, and he was doing a class on parapsychology, on UFOs and other stuff, and he was a psychology professor.
	And he and I talked, and I got to know him pretty well, and he used to work on...
	He had a PhD in theoretical physics, worked on classified projects, and by the way, he wrote the book, The Future of Existence.
	It's still in print.
	He's passed away, but it's still in print.
	He had a PhD in theoretical physics, a master's degree in psychology.
	Well, I asked him one time, Billy, why did you ever want to meet me?
	And he goes, well, I can't tell you why right now.
	He goes, but I can give you a hint.
	And I go, he goes, look up indigo children.
	And I go, okay, I looked it up and I found out that the term meant star child or hybrids.
	And I kind of looked at him and I laughed and I go, are you trying to tell me, Billy, you think that I'm an alien-human hybrid?
	And he goes, I don't know.
	What do you think?
	That's how he responded to me.
	That's great.
	Well, then I waited over a year later and I asked Billy again, well, why am I getting followed by these military helicopters?
	He then responded to me.
	He goes, I know why, but I can't tell you.
	And then he told me it would adversely affect the timeline.
	And I go, okay.
	But then I asked him about six months later, repeated the question.
	And then he told me at the time, he goes, well, I guess you ought to know.
	I know why.
	And it would only be fair to you just to get an idea.
	And my father is a Roswell witness.
	He's one of the last living witnesses to the Roswell event.
	And Billy knew about this.
	And Billy asked me, What do you think the Roswell craft is?
	And I go, I don't know.
	He goes, what if I were to tell you that it's a time machine?
	And I go, okay, keep going.
	It sparked my interest.
	And he goes, what if I were to tell you that we tried to reverse engineer the engine, but we couldn't get it right?
	However...
	We have a weight of looking into future events.
	And then he asked me, do you know anything about Project Looking Glass?
	At the time, it was still classified, and Dan Burrish had not made it public.
	Okay, so what year is this?
	1993.
	I mean, 2003, forgive me.
	Yes.
	2003, all right.
	It was 2003, and...
	I'm going, okay.
	And I said, well, what is looking glass?
	He goes, I worked on it as a technician.
	He said, we were able to see up to 12 different possible scenarios in the future.
	And he goes, you were in six of those 12 different scenarios.
	That's incredible.
	Yeah.
	And I looked at him and I go, what are you talking about?
	I mean, you know, you've heard the old expression of it sounds too good to be true.
	And I'm going, okay, what are you talking about, Billy?
	He goes, I can't tell you anymore.
	I think I may have adversely affected the timeline.
	And I go, well, can you give me kind of a hint?
	And he goes, well, it is a geopolitical thing.
	That's all I can tell you.
	You'll have to find out on your own.
	Well, what I think happened, and I think...
	I'm going to use his name right now, Dr.
	Jack Sarfati, in a conversation I had with him, told me in that conversation he thought that I was an alien abductee and that that may have been what caused my epilepsy.
	And there are certain abduction events that happened in my life all through my life.
	And I don't know if we have time to even get into that right now.
	Okay, well, I'd love to get into that.
	But first, I think we need to go back to when you were a dishwasher.
	So what year are you a dishwasher at NASA? Because you've jumped ahead in the future, given us some information about yourself.
	But we need to go back to that incident because that was...
	You never quite finished that story.
	Well, it was from November of 90...
	Okay, so where you were at when you were talking about that story, you said you had the warp drive in your mind, you couldn't sleep, you couldn't get rid of the idea, and then you got fired kind of over it, right?
	Yeah, I did, and then afterwards, and here's some more of the story that I haven't relayed to you yet.
	Afterwards, that had been followed by unmarked government cars.
	They had the license plate and a property of the U.S. government stickers on the back of the car.
	And they were, I think, FBI. And it got to a point, I was living in Pasadena, Texas at the time.
	And I was walking down Spencer Highway.
	You can Google it or do a Google map search and find out where that was at.
	And it got to a point where I was getting watched whenever I would go into the Waffle House restaurant on Schaefer Street in Pasadena, which is no longer open now, and when I'd walk down Spencer.
	Now, I don't drive because of my epilepsy, but I had these unmarked cars following me.
	And one time I looked back at one of the guys who was following me and he was just slowing down and just pacing me as I walked.
	And I turned around and I looked at him and said, how you doing?
	And he used all sorts of expletives and said, mother, ever watch what you're doing and don't pay attention to me.
	And then I said, have a nice day.
	He drove off and flipped the bird at me and I go, well, And that's when the surveillance started.
	And I'd been notified by a guy that I befriended, who I found out later wasn't who he claimed to be.
	He went by the name of Daniel David Moore.
	It was a code name.
	His real name, I'm not going to mention it on the air right now, but he's a known colonel and former head of the Army Psychological Operations Team.
	He's the founder of the Temple of Sex and co-founder of the Satanic Church.
	Oh, you're kidding me.
	All right.
	Yeah, I know exactly who I'm talking about.
	Yes, and some of the astute listeners will know as well.
	Okay, so that person befriended you and you didn't know who he was?
	No, but he carried a.45 caliber automatic Beretta handgun with him.
	Right.
	And what happened was he moved into my apartment The share of the rent.
	And he talked to me one day and he goes, Paul?
	I go, yeah.
	He goes, he mentioned a scenario when I worked at NASA that I didn't even remember.
	It was kind of mundane to me.
	And he goes, how do you think I knew about that?
	And I go, I don't know.
	He goes, you don't remember me working there?
	I was in a U.S. Air Force uniform.
	And I go, no, I don't.
	And then that's when he told me, well, My name Daniel David Moore is not my real name.
	It's a code name.
	It wasn't until years later when I saw a video of this actual man that I could tell the resemblance between him and Daniel Moore and that they were the same person.
	That's absolutely incredible.
	You never told me that.
	Listen, you're kind of muffled again.
	I'm not sure if you're too close to the mic or what's happening just to be aware.
	Okay, is this better?
	That's better, yes.
	Okay.
	Well, what happened was he was telling me, he brought it down to brass tacks for me.
	He goes, I was sent here to find out who you were talking to.
	And it was George Herbert Walker Bush, then President Bush, who had sent him to find out who I was talking to and to take executive action out on me.
	And I knew what that meant.
	Murder Incorporated.
	And I asked him, I said, well, and he goes, and I'm not going to do it.
	And I asked him why.
	He goes, you're a patriot, and you want to help us.
	You don't want to hurt the country.
	And I go, that's correct.
	He goes, I know.
	And I said, well, what's going to happen to you, Daniel, if you go against these people?
	Would you get killed?
	He goes, don't worry about it.
	I know where the bodies are buried, and I've buried a few of them myself.
	They're not going to catch me.
	That's just incredible.
	You know, your life sounds like a movie.
	Okay.
	So, okay, so at this point, I can't believe you went, you mean, did you move in with him while you were a dishwasher or after you were a dishwasher?
	After I was, no, he moved in with me.
	I mean, yeah, vice versa, but yeah, okay.
	Yeah, I had been fired from NASA, started going to work at a Pofolks family restaurant in Pasadena, and started working as a dishwasher there, and that's where I met him.
	That is really incredible.
	Now, how long did he live with you?
	Roughly about eight months.
	That's amazing.
	And I mean, didn't anything really strange go on during that time?
	And did you eventually realize who he was or you didn't know the whole time?
	Well, it wasn't until he told me, but I looked at the Beretta handgun and at the time I knew that only police and military police and military were the only ones that could be issued that type of handgun.
	And he had a shoulder strap holster.
	That he used, and I kept thinking, and that he dressed really nice and he had more money than what he was making as a waiter at Pofox.
	You know, I kept thinking, where is he getting all the money?
	He must have been, was he a young man?
	He had plastic surgery done, he told me at the time.
	They worked on his jaw and other things to make him look young.
	But he wasn't.
	Wow.
	And if you see recent photos of this individual, and now he's in his 70s now.
	Right.
	But if you compared him back to when I knew him, you know, you could tell where they did the surgery on him compared to what he looked like back when he worked in psychological operations.
	And he also worked for the NSA. He was an NSA security agent.
	Right.
	In charge of dispatchment, if you know what that term means.
	Well...
	Yeah.
	And you can look up his profile if you know who he is, people.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, the one thing is that he knew I was a Christian, and I am a Christian, and I'm not trying to proselytize people.
	I am not at all perfect.
	And I'm not trying to proselytize or preach to people.
	I know in my experience, and I've had near-death experiences as well, Carrie, where I've seen that there is more to what's going on in our universe than what can be explained by what we see here in our reality.
	There's more to it.
	Okay, yes.
	And the point I'm making is, Daniel knew that I was a Christian, and he wore the pinnacle.
	You know, and always wore black and all.
	And I said, this guy's a Satanist.
	But he respected me because, you know, I never pushed my religious beliefs on him.
	And as he told me, he goes, I'm going to protect you and make sure nothing happens to you.
	And then I remember one day when he left, he was doing undercover work for the DEA at the time.
	He gave me his Beretta handgun and said, If I come up here or your brother comes up here and you have a bad feeling about it, put a hole through that door.
	Because he was serious that somebody, he was afraid somebody was going to try to kill me.
	Okay, so that's just, you know, amazing.
	So, okay, now I don't know where you're going to go with the story now because we kind of have to move up into this present day, but can you fast forward or can you encapsulate what happened after that?
	I mean, eventually he moved out.
	Why did he decide to leave you alone?
	He got orders to go elsewhere.
	Okay, you've gotten muffled.
	I'm sorry, you're muffled again.
	Sorry.
	Can you hear me?
	Can you hear me now?
	That's better, yeah.
	Okay.
	Eventually, he was given orders to move on, and he did.
	And the ironic thing is, after he left, is when I started getting watched by black helicopters and all.
	And, you know, I'm not a paranoid type.
	I saw him.
	And I used to wave at them.
	They'd wave back and do thumbs up with me.
	And I'm going, okay.
	And so I was telling my mom, and my mother used to be in the Army, and she used to work in Army Intelligence.
	I told her, Mom, these black helicopters are following me.
	And she goes, Rick, aren't you worried?
	You know, you ought to leave them alone.
	I said, no, Mom.
	You know, and I kind of made an off-the-cuff joke about it.
	I said, it's security service being paid for by the U.S. taxpayers.
	And that's the way I looked at it.
	But from that point on, and I'll fast forward to about 97.
	Okay, but also you didn't explain where your scientific ability came from, other than you're trying to tell me you're an alien-human hybrid and that you're telling me that maybe that's where it came from.
	And secondly, you didn't tell us what happened with the warp drive idea when you wrote your paper.
	Well, let me explain the warp drive system.
	Initially, it was called the electromagnetic pulse reaction engine.
	And what it did is that it would use frequencies to generate a plasma pulse burst and use a rotating superconductive column to do that.
	At the time, initially, it was not supposed to be a warp drive.
	But it was to be an alternative system for propulsion to allow even people such as myself to fly into space even with disabilities.
	And that's what I had envisioned it to be.
	But I understood at that time that if you generated a field strong enough, you could get into a null space scenario, which would cancel out forward momentum.
	Which means that you would not have acceleration forces working or acting upon you.
	In other words, G-forces would not...
	Right.
	You would not feel any G-forces.
	It would be consistent 1G environment.
	We're talking about the space within spaces if you're looking at physics.
	That led me later on when I did my research into...
	Antigravity research led to warp field research, which later led to my research into what I called later on the variant that I called the electromagnetic vortex reactor.
	And that used a series of rotating magnets to be able, at high rates of speed, or high rotational rates, to be able to generate a What I wouldn't have called at the time a warp field, and I now would consider it a warp field.
	Okay, now are you, I mean, I do want to get into the technical side of it, but we've got so much stuff to cover here.
	Joe Firmage is also working on something like that, because what you are talking about is you created, you worked on portal physics.
	I don't know what you call it, but, you know, in essence, and isn't that exactly what they're doing and what Firmage is working on right now?
	Well, Frumich has the electromechanical device that rotates magnets, and he claims that it can generate mainly an anti-gravity system, propulsion system.
	He didn't really call it a portal system until after the movie producer, not going to mention his name, but the movie producer Whatever.
	That's sufficient.
	Movie producer is good enough.
	Interacted with them, and then the wife of Doctor Who.
	Right.
	Let me interject this here real quickly.
	I checked my DNA out on 23andMe recently.
	I found out through the results that I'm directly related to King Louis XIV of France.
	There's a direct lineage between myself and him.
	The French royal bloodline or the French royal hierarchy has been dismantled since the French Revolution.
	That's been about 230 to 250 years ago.
	The wife of Doctor Who claims royalty, even though in a certain area of the world, the royal family of that particular area hasn't been in power in 250 years.
	Now, in all, I mean...
	Wait, wait, wait.
	And you're O-negative, isn't that right?
	Correct.
	And I sent you the research that Eddie Page had come up with on O-negatives, right?
	Yes, you did.
	Thank you for doing that.
	No, but the point I'm making is, by all means, using that person's logic, I should be able to call myself Prince Paul.
	And how in the world can a person call themselves a princess when their family hasn't been in power in 250 years?
	Alright, well, everyone has their, you know, and there's also reincarnation, so there's all kinds of reasons why someone might do that, but we don't need to delve into that particular thing.
	It's kind of like a side issue, but it is fascinating that you are related to, what is it, Louis XVI, did you say?
	No, XIV. XIV, okay.
	Remember the story of the man in the iron mask?
	I guess vaguely.
	That was King Louis XIV. I'm a direct descendant to this.
	All right.
	Fair enough.
	Now, can you...
	Okay.
	Okay, so, but we were talking about firmage.
	We were talking about portal physics.
	And I get that, you know, this is different terminology and so on and so forth.
	But what we need to do is kind of like link up the story now with that in mind.
	Well, let me tell you, the reason why I brought that up is that Not even Joe came up with the idea of portal physics until after his interaction with the wife and the producer.
	And then he just modified his point of view on it.
	And Dr.
	Who thinks that I'm a time travel expert and I'm going, well, that's kind of not what I'm working on.
	I'm working on warp physics, which generates a warp conduit.
	And if you want to use the term portals, I guess you can do that.
	I kind of feel kind of uncomfortable because with the indications of Doctor Who making the statement that I'm a time travel expert, it kind of goes beyond what I would say that I'm working on currently, but there are interconnections between it.
	Honestly, I wouldn't feel comfortable calling myself a travel expert.
	According to my witness, Mark Richards, everyone knows the term warp.
	You basically mean you're going to bend space and you can jump.
	If you can jump, you, in essence, are time-traveling.
	No, I agree with that, but it's just the semantics of it, you know.
	Right.
	It's okay.
	That's okay.
	You're a scientist.
	Now, at this point, though, so you had this paper you're writing.
	You lived with this dark magician for eight years, and No, not for eight years, eight months.
	Eight months, I'm sorry, eight months.
	I'm bad at numbers.
	And so then he moved on.
	Did you ever meet Jack Safadi during that time?
	No, I ended up emailing him and Jack and I had this ongoing feud where he told me, Paul...
	You're less than wrong.
	And I'm going, dude, you don't know what you're talking about.
	And we went back and forth.
	But Jack and I are good friends, you know, and I have a lot of affection towards him.
	He's a great guy.
	Just that we don't agree on a lot of things, sort of like with him and Gordon.
	They never agreed on anything.
	Right.
	No, but I met Jack at the Sera conference back in 2008.
	I had written him emails before then, but we met face-to-face at Sera.
	And by the way, for anyone who may know about the RAM group, I used to be a part of it, and I was the one who got the meeting going, the conference going at Sera.
	And Jack and I became really good friends.
	And what was weird about it is when I met him face to face, he was very cordial and he acted like kind of like a father figure to me and acted like he knew me, even though we'd only met that one time.
	And I thought that was kind of kind of a strange thing.
	Yeah, I'll bet he knew.
	I'll bet he knew all about you before he met you.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	So, okay, can you go back and just to link up the storyline here a little bit if there's anything else that we need to know before we kind of get into the modern, you know, to this day?
	Well, what had happened was I started doing my homework on it and I was relentlessly doing research in physics textbooks and alternative physics and all.
	Let me let your listeners know that in black projects, most of them, most of your listeners may already know this, but they use a different type of physics than what we currently are being taught in school.
	To say the least, yeah.
	And that's where they're making their breakthroughs, and they already have warp travel, they have anti-gravity.
	Right.
	Think about the B-2 stealth bomber, an anti-gravity craft.
	I can explain that, but you can look it up online.
	Look up Dr.
	Paul.
	I don't even know how to pronounce his last name, La Violette or whatever.
	Yeah, La Violette.
	I've interviewed him.
	And he wrote a paper.
	His doctoral thesis was how they charged the leading wings of the B-2 stealth bomber, not only to make it radar evasive, But that it used electrogravitic properties to where they didn't have to use as much fuel.
	That was something Thomas Townsend Brown had perfected way back in 1950.
	But the military took the research, classified it, and then it was later used during the B-2 stealth project, stealth bomber project.
	Yeah, that's true.
	What had happened was that I started doing more and more research and it led me to an understanding.
	I've met Stan Dale and I know you know who Stan Dale is.
	Right.
	And I read a lot of his material and it started making sense to me afterwards that here is why they are trying to classify these technologies and not let them out in the public domain.
	It's because With these particular technologies, they give us a superiority in the world that's over any of our allies and our foes.
	And by releasing this technology, you make the playing ground an equal playing ground between all parties involved.
	This is why, and I want to tell you listeners, why I do not believe That even in the near future, we will ever get true disclosure.
	It's not so much about the alien reality that they're afraid of.
	If you release the alien reality, then they have to acknowledge the glean technology from them, and then they have to acknowledge that Part of the black budget that they have accumulated over 30 plus years has gone to developing back engineering technologies that they're now using against our foes in war.
	And this is why they will, in my opinion, and this is just my humble opinion, I may be wrong, but this is why I believe that they will never truly, it would take an act of God, as Ben Rich said, To ever release these technologies or even true disclosure.
	Now look at Two Stars Academy, for example.
	Doctor Who lied and said that he wasn't having anything to do with Two Stars Academy and even tried to defame me and make threats of blackmail against me to get me to change my mind.
	Okay, now wait, wait, wait.
	You're kind of jumping ahead.
	You didn't explain that Two Stars had contacted you, right?
	Yeah, they actually connected with me.
	The assistant to Tom DeLonge did and Christopher Mellon did.
	I don't mind mentioning his name because they connected with me on LinkedIn.
	The weird part about it is after they connected with me they didn't want to talk to me.
	They just wanted to connect with me.
	Now I want to ask you, what does that tell you?
	I did have a small chat with Christopher Mellon but And it was just a brief chat because it's something Doctor Who told me.
	And I was trying to get confirmation of it.
	And it wasn't until, and let me just do a side thing here real quickly.
	Doctor Who, when I confronted Joe Furmich about it, because my job was at the time to be a liaison between Doctor Who and Joe Furmich.
	And I suspect that something was going on because many of the key members of Two of the Stars Academy, including a physicist who works for him and who's part of the board of directors, originally got his funding from Joe Firmich.
	And he was taking the technology that Joe paid for and taking it over to Two of the Stars Academy.
	Well, wait one second.
	So are you saying that Joe Firmage is at odds with To the Stars Academy?
	Well, I don't know what I would say.
	They're competitors.
	Okay, that's interesting.
	And what about Robert, you know, what's his name?
	The other aerospace guy, Robert...
	You know who I mean?
	You mean the guy who's trying to do blow-up habitats?
	Okay, the aerospace guy who also owns a multi-billion dollar chain of hotels, right?
	I think it's called budget something?
	I don't know.
	You know who I mean, right?
	You mean Bob?
	Yeah.
	Okay, you can say his last name.
	Bigelow?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so why aren't you bringing Bigelow into the scenario?
	Because Bigelow is supposed to be financing to the stars as well.
	Well, I didn't find that out while I was...
	And I'm not currently involved with any member of the aviary group anymore.
	I severed ties with them because I found out that Doctor Who and a few others in the aviary had...
	He basically wanted to use me as a fall guy for certain things, and I wasn't going to play the game with him.
	Well, okay, that's a strange sort of side trip, but I think we could go down it because it'll interest people, and also it wraps into Gordon Novell.
	So you were supposed to be a fall guy for...
	But that goes back to the Obama administration, right?
	Well, here is what Gordon told me before he died.
	And as you know, I knew Gordon well.
	He and I were like best friends for a little while there.
	But with Gordon, it was hard for him because he had a hard time being best friends with anybody.
	He'd like you one day and crush you out the next and threaten to kill you.
	Yeah, he's like a gangster.
	But he always stayed best friends as much as he could be with the guy you're calling Doctor Who, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, and the thing is, near the end of his life, Doctor Who wouldn't help him anymore and turned from being a friend to, in my opinion, at the very least, not having anything to do with Gordon at all.
	Right.
	But during the CERA conference, I had overheard conversations between Dr.
	Who and Gordon O'Vell about a plan that they had been talking about dealing with Obama's rally in San Diego, California at the time.
	I didn't hear specific details of it.
	I only heard bits and pieces of it.
	But it wasn't until I talked to Gordon one-on-one when he lived in Desert Island Hot Springs.
	Yeah.
	And I was at his house, and I asked him, I said, well, what do you think about the fact that there was a black man running for president?
	Now, I'm not going to use the terminology Gordon used, because it might offend your listeners, but you know how Gordon was.
	He goes, that N-dash-dash-dash-dash-R will never make it to being president.
	I'll see to it.
	And I went, oh my goodness.
	Now, if you go back in Gordon's past, it was rumored that Gordon may have been the umbrella man during the Kennedy assassination.
	Gordon admitted to knowing Jack Ruby, David Ferry, and Lee Harvey Oswald from the time he was in Louisiana from the Civil Air Patrol when he was a part of it.
	Right.
	It was rumored that Gordon Novell may have been the umbrella man who directed the shot that killed Kennedy.
	Gordon denied it on one part and then he would affirm it on another.
	And you know a little bit about Gordon's colorful past and I don't know if we have time to get into that but people can look it up.
	But the issue was I found out later that Ron had ordered, not Ron, I mean the Doctor Who, had ordered Gordon to buy a sawed-off.22 caliber rifle and a digital camera from a man who was a pimp and a drug dealer in the Hot Springs area.
	And Gordon had a lot of prostitutes who were addicted to meth that were living with him at the time.
	Well, Gordon and I went to an Oriental restaurant.
	This guy meets us over there, and Gordon did not want him saying anything to me.
	He goes, I've got the gun and I've got the camera.
	He goes, well, let's talk about it outside.
	And he had a digital camera and a sawed-off gun, a rifle.
	Now, I want you to think about that, and this is where my logic came in.
	I knew about the Kennedy assassination.
	What did, supposedly, did Lee Harvey Oswald do days before he reportedly, quote unquote, shot Kennedy?
	He took a series of photos, reportedly, that I believe were doctored, but holding a rifle and a newspaper.
	Fast forward to 2008.
	A rifle and a digital camera, and Gordon had hinted that he wanted me to hold it.
	From what I was able to gather, this was not going to be an assassination attempt against Obama.
	It was, but wasn't.
	They were not going to kill him.
	It was all to curry favor to Obama's favor for the intelligence community.
	By setting up a patsy and making it look like he was going to try to kill the president or the presidential candidate.
	In that particular scenario, and this is what I've been able to glean, I may be wrong about it, that's a disclaimer right now, but I'm going to tell you what I was able to kind of ascertain as to what I was able to glean from it.
	They would have made it look like a lone nut was going to go with a sawed-off.22 caliber rifle and get up to close proximity to the presidential candidate and then before the guy could get off around into the presidential candidate,
	Obama, they would have killed the guy immediately and then An intelligence officer would have went to Obama after he was elected and say, we protected you from this, now you owe us.
	Okay, but none of that ever happened, right?
	Well, thank God it didn't, because one reason, I tried to get, and I knew that the email would bounce back, but I tried to send an email to Dan Burrish, stating that I needed to get his advice.
	That I felt like I might be another Lee Harvey Oswald.
	Well, the NSA, I found out later, intercepted the email, sent the email, faxed a copy of the email to the Billings Office of the Secret Service.
	And soon after that, Secret Service agent Brian P. O'Neill, who worked out of the office at the time, came to visit me at my apartment.
	Sat down for 45 minutes with me, repeated questions as to whether or not I would do any harm or damage to Obama.
	And I said, no.
	And he believed me and he goes, well, why didn't you come to us directly?
	I said, I'm dealing with members of the intelligence community that could hurt me and my family.
	I was trying to go around about doing it around about so you guys would at least get notified about And then you could come in and talk to me afterwards so the trail would not lead back to me directly.
	He goes, makes sense.
	Okay, but what you haven't explained is why you thought they would make you the Patsy because it doesn't make sense why they would do that.
	Well, it goes to what Dr.
	Who talked about later on in conversations that I overheard.
	For some oddball reason, he was ordered, I do believe, by his then-superiors to make sure that I did not accomplish what I was supposed to accomplish.
	Okay.
	And that would lead to using me as a patsy.
	You kill two birds with one stone.
	You get rid of the problem, namely me, and you curry favor with an incoming presence.
	And see, this one thing about Doctor Who is that he's a member of the CFR. His name, he uses his middle name and his last name, a modified version of it.
	But why would they do that to a person like me, you're asking?
	I'm a threat to national security, and they have told me that.
	As the technology, and I've been offered money from the Russian Federation, Iran and a few other countries that are and are not in China and a few other countries that may or may not be friendly to the U.S. to develop my technology.
	China offered me at one time 100 million dollars to do my research.
	A certain former defense intelligence officer I'm not going to mention his name, but his initials are PM. Told me, do not accept the money.
	It could go against technology transfer law.
	And you could go to prison.
	And this guy wrote the law.
	He knows what he was talking about.
	And I never accepted the money.
	I was offered money to do work even with the Russian Federation.
	And I ran it.
	And these particular entities, as you know, currently are not so friendly towards the U.S. And this is why they wanted to get rid of me is because they did not want people knowing what I knew in my head.
	Because they actually, if they could glean that particular, those particular ideas that I had in my head.
	It would equalize the playing field and no longer would the United States have an advantage technologically over any other country.
	Okay.
	Now, for the purposes of this interview, have you talked about this?
	Because I know you've been a radio talk show host.
	I don't know whether you've talked about your own stuff, but we're doing this in part to protect you.
	Isn't that right?
	Correct.
	And I have mentioned this stuff before.
	And here's one of the things that Dr.
	Hewlett has done.
	And let me explain.
	Is that he has done a smear...
	Okay, you're muffled.
	You've gotten muffled again.
	Okay, how do I sound now?
	That's better.
	Go ahead.
	He did a smear campaign against me.
	And he tried to make me look crazy and all.
	He's done that with another associate of his, DS. And you know who I'm talking about.
	This money guy.
	Okay.
	You know, the guy who believes that he's the second coming of Jesus Christ.
	He's the reincarnation of Christ.
	You know who I'm talking about, right?
	No.
	What are the initials?
	DTS. Open Minds Forum.
	All right.
	He's talked very discouragingly about myself, DTS, the movie producer behind our backs when he thought we couldn't hear.
	And he has done whatever he could to try to discredit me in public forums.
	Okay, now this Doctor Who is also, so people can understand who this person is, was very high up in the CIA. It's okay to say that.
	Assistant Director of National Intelligence, was in charge of the Weird Desk.
	Right.
	Has two degrees, PhDs in physics and chemical engineering.
	Okay, now he was, well, Gordon thought he was his close friend for ages.
	Right.
	Right?
	And Gordon, during those years, Gordon was trying to build what he called the alien reproduction vehicle, basically, you know, re-back-engineer a UFO, which had been already done, but Gordon wanted to do it in the, you know, the mainstream, which is what my interview with him is all about.
	And he was putting together a team.
	Some of those members of his team are now part of To the Stars, correct?
	It is correct.
	And here's the other thing about it.
	Gordon got involved directly and intimately with members of what we now call the Aviary Group, which was formerly known as the UFO Working Group.
	Yes, absolutely.
	And by the way, just so people can connect some dots, Melinda Leslie recently, I had her on my show, she was talking about the working group and the aviary, and she's done her own connecting of dots along lines of having to do with the Black projects and abductions and various things.
	So there's a link up there.
	Now, and there are other people that are talking about these subject matters, but what I think was sort of key in your story is you're also talking about Doctor Who as being head of To The Stars and head of, I guess, the Firmish Group as well?
	Correct.
	He denied having that association between the groups and even went as far when I suggested it to Joe because there were certain things that were going on that didn't make any sense to me.
	And I was trying to protect Joe.
	And I was able to put two and two together and I said, Joe, talk to Doctor Who about this.
	And Joe says, I can't believe he's doing that.
	And I got back to Doctor Who and then he sent me emails telling me bluntly that I needed to recant my story and say I lied when I didn't.
	And I didn't state for a fact that I knew this because I didn't, but I had a sneaking suspicion about it.
	And then he threatened me with blackmail.
	Doctor Who did.
	And I've got proof of it in email format.
	Now the sad thing about this is, is that the objective of firmage, the objective of the to the stars, is actually in theory, this is what ostensibly is their objective, is to bring the technology to light in the public sector.
	We know they have it in the secret space program.
	It's not about that.
	They've already got it there.
	What these guys are supposed to do is kind of disclose to some degree and then bring it into the public sector.
	So both those kind of teams, if you want to call them that, are supposed to be working in this area.
	And you, having written a paper on warp drive that actually...
	You just told me was accessed in the Russian Federation or in Russia while Trump was there visiting Putin.
	That's a synchronicity.
	It doesn't mean we don't know what that might mean.
	But the bottom line is that in messing with you, Doctor Who is basically trying to burn a bridge in which you could be very helpful to both those groups with your warp drive, etc.
	in your mind, but he doesn't want you to help.
	Is that correct?
	Well, what he's doing right now, let me get to the point.
	The movie producer who has no idea of what he is seeing, what he is doing, he has no idea about anything of a scientific nature.
	And he also has a very dubious background.
	Movie producer would be a nice title.
	Well, that's the understatement.
	He's been involved in pornography and all.
	That's all I'm going to say.
	And...
	The thing about it is, Doctor Who sent him to Salt Lake City to work with Joe Fermich.
	And like I said, the movie producer has no idea how the technology should work.
	He's being told how it should work, but he has no scientific inclination on whether or not the technology will work or not.
	Right.
	And now he's been made, and I'll make this official.
	The CEO of both, what I understand, and it's irrevocable, of CEO of both To the Stars Academy and many one, Joe Firmich's group.
	Okay, so this movie producer with a dubious background is now head of To the Stars.
	Basically, he's kind of the water boy for Doctor Who, in essence, because Doctor Who, although he's stepped aside, has basically put this other guy in position.
	Is that correct?
	That is correct.
	And let me make a point here.
	And let me ask you a question, and I want you to think about it, and I want your listeners to think about it.
	Why would a man in the U.S. intelligence community put an obvious fool in charge of two organizations Unless he wanted them to fail.
	Well, that's where we go with this.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Well, it's an interesting conundrum.
	I don't know anything about the movie producer, as we're calling him, so I can't make any statements for or against other than what you are telling me, and people would have to do their own research.
	This particular interview, it will be a special interest to someone like Grant Cameron, for example, who likes to investigate this subject.
	He gets the wrong end of the stick, in my opinion, a lot of times, but he does go down the different roads.
	So this is going to be a heads up to him, a heads up to the community, that this is what's going on.
	So that's part of the reason we're doing this.
	And we're trying not to name names here, but the players are obvious to certain people that are going to know what's going on with the game.
	So...
	Is there some other element that the blackmail that the doctor who is trying to do to you has to do with...
	Do you want to go there and explain how he could even do that to you?
	Okay.
	I'm going to reveal this now for the first time.
	It's a little bit of an embarrassing story that happened five years ago.
	Six years ago.
	And I'll get into the details without getting into too much detail about it.
	Okay, no names, okay?
	No names.
	But it all started with a former friendship of mine that I had with an individual who's now dating the movie producer.
	But back then, that person, that girl used to be my friend.
	And I knew her from a church that I used to attend.
	And I, at the time, had wanted very hard to help her.
	I knew that there were certain things that she was struggling with that I wanted to try to help her with.
	Now, being that I have Asperger's syndrome, I ended up talking about it and ended up naming names when I shouldn't have.
	I got back to her, and instead of her coming and talking to me about it, she had Blood in her eyes.
	All she can see is wanting to get revenge and to discredit me.
	And one of her cousins, who's an international fugitive and hacker, hacked a webcam of mine on my computer, downloaded some videos online, threatened me with blackmail.
	And he then later called me on the phone Or called me on Skype and told me why he did it.
	He mentioned her name.
	He mentioned who he actually was.
	And said, maybe next time you'll learn not to talk about people and their business when it's none of your business.
	That particular scenario I had talked to Doctor Who about.
	And it almost led me to a very depressed state where And I don't mind coming clean of this with the audience where I thought about suicide at the time.
	That was six years ago.
	I went through therapy for it and I'm okay.
	The same individual pulled the same scenario on at least 200 people worldwide.
	20 of them worldwide.
	20 of the men committed suicide.
	Kidding.
	I am not.
	The FBI and Interpol has been looking for that person For over five years to bring him to justice.
	They have never been able to find out who he is.
	But because the exchange that I had with him, and he had been trolling me on my talk show, with the exchange that I had with him, and how he bluntly admitted who he was and why he did it, I was able to contact the FBI and give him his name, Michael Simonson, a.k.a.
	Rockmeister.
	He's in Holland.
	He's a direct relative to the girlfriend of the movie producer.
	She put him up to it, which means she herself could be in trouble for a felony.
	Okay, well, let's not implicate her at this point.
	Let's leave that, you know, that's not part of this discussion, really.
	Well, I mean, all I was going to say is why...
	This explains why Dr.
	Who is doing what he is doing right now.
	And that was the point of blackmail he was trying to use against me and he threatened to use.
	Okay, but I don't understand.
	How did he blackmail you?
	In what way?
	Because he had gotten a copy of the video that was downloaded online before it was deleted.
	All right.
	So it has to do with something that was revealed, a personal video of yours.
	Well, it was a hacked webcam video.
	It wasn't personal.
	I didn't do anything with it.
	I didn't even have my webcam on.
	Somebody remotely accessed a webcam in order to produce the film and then threatened me with blackmail.
	Okay, so is the Doctor Who trying to blackmail you right now?
	Well, he did an implied threat because I actually just voiced my concerns with Joe about what was going on, and I said the only thing logical is that Doctor Who is involved with both parties.
	And I even told Joe, I don't know this for a fact, I may be wrong, But, you know, I explained to him the data points and said, there's only one thing in common between all these, all the scenario, and that's Doctor Who.
	And I said, and the aviary group, and I said, and he told me, I don't believe Doctor Who would do this.
	And I said, Joe, I want you to think about it, and I'm going to share this with your audience.
	How do you know an intelligent agent lies?
	They move their lips.
	Okay, now you've been friends with Doctor Who though, isn't that right?
	For about 17 years, yes.
	Okay, so this is a long time.
	Now, there's another player in this, aside from that scenario, that I want to get into.
	I don't know what you're going to call him.
	You want to call him the philosopher?
	Okay.
	Which one would you say?
	Just give me a scenario.
	Well, because I'm getting into the...
	Now, I want to be careful here as well.
	There's a UFO contactee who we were talking about recently, who is...
	Oh, you mean Mr.
	Columbus?
	CB. Okay.
	No, I'm saying Mr.
	Columbus, like in...
	The guy who founded or who reportedly discovered America.
	Think about his first name.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so Mr.
	Columbus is a UFO experiencer.
	And you told me, I don't know if this is true.
	Okay, so this is another strange twist.
	But I think it needs to be outed to some degree.
	So we can say here that You told me that you think that the philosopher threatened this experiencer's life on direction from Doctor Who.
	Is that correct?
	Well, I heard that a threat was made if Mr.
	Columbus would not agree to work on a Portal documentary.
	But that's just so stupid.
	In other words, do you think that this is an overblown scenario?
	Because it just doesn't make sense.
	No, I understand that.
	But I talked to one of my sources, which you mentioned earlier, and I'm not going to say who it is because I promise to keep their identities confidential.
	But this source was one of the first ones who told me when I contacted him.
	And he's a well-known UFO researcher that Mr.
	Columbus had been threatened by the philosopher.
	And then it was confirmed by another journalist.
	Well, Dr.
	Who, my sister wrote Dr.
	Who in an exchange on Facebook.
	Dr.
	Who admitted that it was the philosopher.
	He came right on and stated it.
	Okay, but why would anybody threaten this Columbus character?
	Because he's an interesting guy.
	He's had an interesting UFO experience.
	But why would somebody threaten him?
	Well, you've got to understand that the Portal Project, what I'm going to call the Portal Documentary Project, pinched on credibility.
	And the producer and director of the project, the movie guy, Have lost all of his credibility in Los Angeles.
	I've talked to key people who were involved with the movie producer and they told me that he had no credibility in LA anymore.
	It burnt too many bridges.
	Alright, so...
	This project hinged on credibility and just by Getting Doctor Who and his wife involved, and also the philosopher, especially with the philosopher's certain abstract ideas, eccentric ideas.
	Okay, but that still doesn't explain why Columbus would, why would he be threatened to stay involved in the project?
	To get him to stay involved because they needed him and also another firefighter from New York City that I met who knows Mr.
	Columbus.
	Andy is what I'm going to call him.
	I talked to Andy about it and Andy also confirmed about the threat because Columbus called him and they talked about it.
	Okay, but they wanted Andy also involved in this project.
	Is that correct?
	Correct.
	Andy refused.
	Okay, and did Columbus refuse as well?
	Well, initially he did, but from what I hear from the doctor who's wife, it got him to come back to the table.
	And it's basically merely because he felt, and I heard this from several different sources, Columbus didn't want to talk to me because he knew of my involvement with the other members of the group.
	But then I severed ties, and then the other members of the group Threatened him and discredited me.
	But what happened was the philosopher...
	Now, the movie producer guy, when he went down to Columbus' house somewhere in the south, that's all I'm going to say, the movie producer got there drunk and made a belligerent fool of himself, and Columbus didn't want to work with him.
	And Columbus then...
	From what I heard, either politely or unpolitely, asked the movie producer and the philosopher to leave and said he was not interested in working on the project anymore.
	Now let me go back to explain why was Columbus and Andy both considered for the project.
	They both are experiencers.
	The neurophysiologist who used to have Doctor Who's job in the CIA had done genetic research on experiencers and found that there are genetic abnormalities.
	The strange thing about it is when I had my DNA checked, I had the same mysterious strands of DNA in my genetic profile.
	Right.
	Okay, but let's go back to what I'm saying.
	So they needed them because they believed that these people, because of that genetic abnormality, can actually be used to walk through portals.
	And what the ultimate objective with the portal project was that they planned to open up a portal and have these people walk through it.
	Oh, okay.
	Cool.
	That's where the credibility issue was because the only person that would show any credibility if what she said is true was Dr.
	Who's wife.
	Let's say that she didn't have the genetic abnormalities she claimed she had and that a lot of her claims may have been false for one reason or another.
	I'm not saying that they are or are not.
	I'm playing the devil's advocate here.
	Then You needed backup.
	You needed other people that could, because of a genetic abnormality, traverse portals and you could document.
	And if the two people that they knew for a fact, and they had the genetic profiles, they knew for a fact could travel through portals, decided not to be a part of the project, then their project more than likely would have been sunk.
	Okay, well, that's very interesting.
	Now, why...
	Okay, is this part of...
	This is to the stars, isn't...
	I mean, you're acting like this is Fermage's thing, but this is actually to the stars, isn't it?
	Well, it's a combination of both.
	I see.
	Because what was said by Doctor Who and others is that the movie producer working with Joe Fermage stating that he had portal technology.
	And that it was confirmed by the movie producer.
	Now, you understand why earlier I said, why is it that a man who has no scientific credentials whatsoever hasn't even written a paper dealing with scientific theory for a peer-reviewed conference being put in charge of this and claiming that he's seen portals, quote-unquote.
	It doesn't make sense unless you Understand that maybe this is a root.
	Maybe Doctor Who is using this to generate a negative response so when people try to get funding for their research that it becomes toxic for them to get funding because of this bad publicity.
	Alright, well that's an interesting theory, but the thing that doesn't support that is the fact that they really are trying so hard to get these two experiencers on board.
	That would indicate to me that they want to succeed, at least in terms of going into the portal.
	It's interesting because...
	Actually, I wrote a screenplay about something similar to this, which is really bizarre.
	So, okay.
	So, I think that's kind of like the overview.
	Is there anything that we haven't touched on that was part of this?
	Because basically, this is to out the situation, to kind of say some of the players and what's going on there.
	And...
	And because you had sort of special access to these players, really.
	Is there anything...
	I mean, I don't know if it gets back to your UFO experiences.
	You know, have you had any clear indication of being an alien-human hybrid in such a way since the time when you were first told that?
	Well, I had my DNA profile done on a DNA profile site.
	Okay, but aside from that, I'm talking about experiences.
	Well, I've had, gosh, back in 1978, and I'll preface this, we were on our way home from church on, I think it was August 21st, 1978.
	And on the way home, I saw what looked like a, what I thought was the moon, but it didn't have any craters or anything.
	It was a bright orb of light.
	And I thought, interesting, why can't I see craters?
	And then next thing I knew, it started zooming back and forth, you know, back and forth and kept up with us, kept pace with us.
	And it turned from a orb color To a blue color, to a yellow color, and then to a fiery red when we got home.
	And it was about 20 to 23 feet above our trailer that we lived in in Conroe, Texas.
	And I remember going into the trailer while everybody stayed out and looked at it, and I saw what looked to me like little people, but they were kind of You know, translucent.
	You see their image, but they were see-through.
	Right.
	And I remembered that and I kept note of it.
	And what was strange is the rest of my family had missing time.
	I remember every bit of it.
	And I thought that's kind of strange.
	Now, why did I remember all of that?
	Right.
	And then fast forward to 1998, I lived in Universal City, Texas, which is Randolph Air Force, based in that area.
	And in a studio apartment, I went to bed one night, and I saw what looked like the wall unzipping and a bright light coming out of it.
	And I saw these creatures coming out of the opening.
	I heard a very audible male voice yelling at them.
	And a stern voice saying, leave him alone.
	You do not bother him.
	Go back for whence you came.
	And they turned around and went back into the light and then the opening zipped back up and then went black again.
	Okay?
	Yeah.
	Well, and one more thing I want to share with the audience.
	Because this will probably come out anyway.
	It's another part of my history, but these people have threatened me with it, and I want to clarify this before it ever gets out in the open.
	Back in 1998, I wrote a blog on AOL, on an AOL chatroom.
	I went by the name Anonymous.
	In it, I was writing...
	On issues dealing with the Clinton administration, Whitewater, and what I felt was things that were more important than the Monica Lewinsky issue and that they weren't looking at.
	But I didn't want to become part of the quote-unquote Clinton body count.
	So I used the term or the moniker anonymous.
	I had four people who were college hackers from Harvard, MIT, and Stanford, I do believe, that wrote a response to me on the chat I did.
	And remember, this was back in 98, when AOL and Yahoo were the two big players, when everything was the dinosaur age in the internet.
	Right.
	And they said, we can find out what's going on.
	We're hackers.
	We know how to do this.
	And they asked me point blank, do you think we should do it?
	And I said, well, try not to get in trouble.
	Those series of people, including one person who I think was at school here in the States at that time, Wikipedia founder, gosh, brain going blank here, brain fart, They all got together and decided to hack government facilities and wreak havoc.
	Now, it was on their suggestion, when they wrote me, that they were going to do this.
	And I didn't feel really that good about it, but I thought, well, if you're going to do it, okay.
	But they started using the moniker anonymous.
	It originated from a blog I wrote.
	And here is something that I can say wholeheartedly that the circle has been completed with QAnon.
	QAnon is anonymous personified because now QAnon is doing what I did 20 years ago.
	And they're doing it even better than what I did back then.
	They're releasing information in the same type of way that I did but better than what I did.
	So the circle has come full circle, is what I'm trying to say.
	And the only reason why I bring that up is that the movie producer and one of Doctor Who's security persons heard this story and then tried to make me out to be a hacker, which would be a felon.
	And that is what they were trying to put on.
	And there's more to it than that, but I'm not a hacker.
	I'm an activist.
	And you've known me Carrie, for how long now?
	A very long time.
	Yeah, a long time.
	And I just wanted to get that out there in case one of these individuals decides that they want to try to use that against me.
	And I wanted to clarify it right off the bat.
	I helped start the movement, but I had nothing to do with that.
	Fair enough.
	And what I have to say right now, for all of you Who are listening right now, and much to the, I guess, to the chagrin of Gary, is that, go back to the moniker used in the X-Files when it comes to government agents.
	I want to bring up a very clear point.
	The CIA and COVID intelligence agents from the United States, Europe, and Russia, and now even China and Israel, The ultimate moniker in them is to keep intelligence secret.
	And the only way to do that effectively is to lie.
	Now let's say that they have an agenda where they do not really want disclosure, but they want to give out disinformation.
	Look at Two of the Stars Academy.
	They'll release certain bits of information with a spin on it.
	However, when it comes to the real empirical data, you'll never see that.
	For example, I know Bob Emanager.
	I've interviewed him.
	He's a personal friend of mine.
	You know, the guy who produced the UFO documentary, UFO's Past, Present, and Future, with Rod Serling?
	They promised him That they would give him the Holloman Air Force Base landing footage that was done in 1971.
	Yet they pulled it out at the last minute.
	I wrote to the Stars Academy an email telling them, oh, all this FLIR footage from weapons from jet aircraft is all fine and dandy, but that could be faked.
	I said, get the real stuff, get the meat.
	Get the Holloman Air Force Base videos and put them up here.
	And the point I'm trying to make is, if they don't want the information to get out, they won't or they'll make people who do want to disclose it look like they're crazy and not to be trustworthy.
	Doctor Who is doing this effectively.
	Doctor Who's job At the CIA, even back when he worked on the spooky desk, he admitted this to me in a conversation, was to shut down any leaks, whether it be civilian, military, or intelligence.
	He did that with the remote viewing program.
	It was his report that led Congress to defend it.
	He had, quote-unquote, the A-theory And his job, too, is to watch civilians working on advanced technologies and to subvert them away from their research so they will never make the breakthrough that could be released into the public domain.
	For all the world to use.
	And that includes you.
	That's where you fall under his purview.
	And that's why I left him.
	And you know, the mere fact that with this whole situation and the way it played out at the end, he wanted me to be a part of Joe's group to help support Joe's work.
	And I couldn't in good conscience do that if I knew Joe was being burnt by it.
	And this man, I hate to say it, Doctor Who is pretty much sociopathic.
	The ends to him always justifies the means.
	The only people he will protect are his immediate family, including his wife and his three children.
	And himself and maybe his father and mother.
	He will not protect anyone else and their collateral to him.
	Even the philosopher who has financially supported him and his wife over the years giving them, I guess, over a million plus dollars.
	He's cannon fodder to the doctor.
	And I've heard statements he's made about the philosopher.
	And to me, they're disrespectful.
	And whether or not I agree with what the philosopher states, he shouldn't be being played that way by a man that he considers his friend.
	Okay, well, sorry.
	I just want to say, though, that I know what you're saying, but there's also the side that has, first of all, you can't say, once they work for An intelligence service.
	They're always employed by it, first of all.
	Second of all, he does have his allegiances, I would imagine.
	Now, it might be to MJ-12.
	It might be, you know, to an inner group.
	But you can imagine that there is, beyond his own family, there is some allegiance.
	And I know from my own experience and direct contact with a lot, a lot of people in this regard, that they do have someone, somewhere, that they report to.
	And that they are doing, you know, they're under orders.
	That's just a fact.
	And they're going to, you know, they'll die on their sword.
	For those orders.
	Well, here's one thing I want to bring up.
	Speaking of NJ-12, I heard from a source that I'm not going to name, but he's with a private intelligence firm, and he was one of the founders of it that's made up of former members of MI6, CIA, and the FGB and Mossad.
	He told me that certain members of his group and Two board of directors, one was James Wolsey and the other one was William Webster, FBI and CIA, and one had both, were both FBI director and CIA director.
	And I think even Panetta was a part of this group as well.
	And he told me in a private conversation, I'm not going to mention what his name is, but he told me that certain members of his group had told him that MJ-12 is now not an American group.
	But their actual name now is Control.
	They're international in scope.
	Well, they've actually always been international.
	Well, what I'm saying is that that's the name that they go by now.
	All right, fair enough.
	And I heard that Doctor Who is a part of, a sub-part of that group.
	And have you ever heard of the Jason group?
	Yeah, of course.
	I'm sure he's part of MJ-12 on some level because he's doing their bidding.
	You know, MJ-12 for the most part does not want disclosure.
	They're supposed to be split down the middle to some degree, but...
	It seems that most, at least according to Gordon, most of the time they would interfere with disclosure.
	Well, here's another thing about the aviary group.
	Speaking of that, their ultimate objective was not to disclose information.
	It was to impede disclosure.
	The key members, whether it be Condor or any other member of that group, Including Doctor Who.
	Was to discredit anyone that had a UFO encounter.
	And if they couldn't be discredited by even by force if necessary, get them to be quiet.
	One of the enforcers that they used was Gordon Novell.
	Well, there's another individual who's very notorious.
	I'm not going to name him here, but he goes by the initials JA. He's another enforcer.
	And I heard as well that...
	God, what's his name?
	This researcher into time travel who just died not so long ago was also another, he was called a hitman in essence, and supposedly really was one.
	But anyway, yeah, I mean, that's not surprising either.
	I have to tell you though that Melinda Leslie said that exact thing about the aviary.
	Well, in JA, guess who was his henchman when he was alive?
	I know the colonel.
	Guess who was the henchman that he used to do his dirty work?
	Who?
	Gordon Novell.
	Really?
	Look up Martin Cannon's book, or the book he wrote that he wasn't able to get published, about that some UFO abductions may have been military abductions in disguise.
	No doubt about that.
	The guy that was sent to forcibly tell him to pull his book was Gordon Novell, and J.A. sent it.
	Okay, what's the name of that book?
	Oh gosh, I cannot remember right now off the top of my head.
	I used to know.
	All right, well, can you try to remember and tell me?
	Because I'd like to read it.
	I don't know if it's still online or not.
	That's the problem, because this poor guy got a...
	He got the crap scared out of him by Gordon.
	Okay, let me look it up.
	While I'm on the phone with you, I'm looking it up right now.
	All right.
	Can you tell me what the book was about?
	Because I might know the book.
	Okay.
	I'm trying to look here to see if I can find it.
	He talked about UFO abductions and how some of them, and it was supposed to be fictionalized.
	Right.
	And he wrote about how some of those abductions might have been...
	Oh, gosh.
	I cannot pull up the information right now.
	I do apologize.
	That's okay.
	We can revisit that in the future.
	So...
	I need you to sort of focus here because we've got to wrap this up.
	We've been going for a while and over two hours.
	By the way, are there any questions from in the chat room or do we have any?
	Well, all right.
	It's fair enough.
	We can ask somebody.
	If somebody in the chat wants to ask you a question, put it in all caps.
	We'll take a couple of questions here.
	Then we have to wrap this up.
	You must know quite a bit, Paul, really, behind the scenes, because you've been part of this scenario for so many years now.
	Did you happen to know much about Clark McClelland?
	Yeah, the guy who worked at NASA. I didn't know him personally, but I know about his story.
	Well, he's just one of those people they tried to shut up.
	Okay, it's not Michael Cannon, it was Martin Cannon, and the story was called The Controllers.
	Oh, alright.
	Cool.
	That's cool.
	A new hypothesis of alien abduction.
	Right.
	And it was stuff dealing with MKUltra abductions.
	N-S-A-M-K-Ultra abductions.
	And that's what set J-A off to send Gordon O'Fell to make a threat to Martin.
	Right.
	I hear you.
	But get to the point that you wanted to ask me, and I'll try to wrap it up and get this down to where you need it to be.
	Oh, well, no.
	Actually, what I want to do now is take a couple questions from the chat.
	Thank you.
	So, one person has a question.
	Is your anti-gravity tech similar to John Searle's?
	Well, no, it isn't because it uses, let's just say it's more akin to a hybrid between the M drive and the Glock.
	The Nazi belt.
	It's a hybrid, but I can't tell you much more than that without giving IP away, but I won't tell you that much.
	All right.
	Very good.
	Let's see.
	Someone wants to know, have you had contact with Bob Lazar?
	Oh, yes.
	I remember I tried to call him one time.
	I've called his business now.
	He's kind of trying to get out of the UFO game now.
	And he does, I think, Universal Nuclear or United Nuclear out of Michigan or Minnesota.
	I can't remember which one.
	But I called him up one time to ask him about what happened at Area 51.
	And he told me with no uncertainty that he did not want to talk about that anymore.
	Yeah, I know.
	He's moved on from that.
	And what he told me is, and what I found out is that United Nuclear, which is the company he founded, has government contracts.
	He's a government supplier.
	So in other words, what I think happened, I can't prove it, it's just my theory, that they made him, you know, to use the expression from the Godfather, they made him an offer he couldn't refuse.
	In other words, it was kind of a payoff for silence.
	They helped him start the company and they ensured that he would have customers via classified government projects.
	And that's what he's doing right now.
	Right.
	And so he's reluctant to talk about it.
	And I think, in my opinion, from what I've seen, is that it's because of his contracts and he doesn't want to jeopardize.
	That's fair enough.
	Now, are you familiar with, obviously, you know John Lear, right?
	Well, I've never talked to John Lear, but he connected with me on LinkedIn one time, but we never have really had any communication back and forth, really.
	But I know about John and his CIA connections, yes.
	Well, somebody is asking about...
	Disclosure.
	And let me just say, and you can answer this as well, you're not saying there's no disclosure.
	In fact, people have to understand this is disclosure.
	You're listening to it right now.
	We are disclosure.
	We are disclosing.
	And there's enough of us and enough, you know, what you call whistleblowers who work for them for 40 years or more.
	I mean, slowly but surely the picture is being painted.
	It's what you do with it that matters.
	It's not just that you get the president coming out on the White House lawn and talking about it.
	Although, you know, it's something that Trump probably would love to do.
	However, he's going to be under the sort of control of the military on this subject.
	There's so many other things coming down the pike.
	Apparently, in the next couple years, that they're going to be plenty busy.
	What will be disclosed and how well they'll do it and how much they'll spin it and all that kind of thing, that can be conjectured.
	But I can tell you, contrary to what Grant Cameron thinks, the president is not in charge.
	No way.
	Well, do you mind if I could interject something here?
	Yeah, go right ahead.
	Going back to what Wernher von Braun told Rosalinda Rosen many years ago, they're setting us up even through To The Stars Academy for a fake alien attack scenario.
	To The Stars Academy is promoting, but not many one.
	Joe isn't promoting this.
	This is what I'm telling you, the dynamic between Dr.
	Who and his involvement in both Two of the Stars and Joe's group.
	Two of the Stars Academy is promoting an alien invasion attack scenario.
	They're preparing us and they're going to use classified technologies.
	Werder von Braun made that point very clear.
	Yeah, it's true, except that you have to understand and people need to understand that there's...
	You can't, you know, you can't have a fake one when there's a real one going on anyway.
	So, you know, it's kind of, it's really a can of worms.
	It goes both ways.
	So, yes, they're promoting the, you know, the alien, this sort of negative alien scenario.
	But Wernher von Braun was not the good guy, the angel that Carol Rosen likes to make him out to be.
	Well, he was a Nazi.
	Yeah.
	He was an ardent Nazi, and he ended up killing people in the concentration camp at the metalworks.
	So I know about that.
	It's just, you know...
	Go ahead.
	I do not discount, though, because I know people in the community.
	Right.
	They're preparing us right now for what...
	And the reason for that is that, you know, like I said, Dr.
	Who is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
	Right.
	They're wanting to bring forth a new world order.
	They've already implemented it with the EU. They're trying to get it done with the Asian Union, North American Union, South American Union, and I forget where Russia would come into this scenario.
	But they're trying to get a unified world government.
	And look at what former President Reagan stated.
	Pardon me, two separate speeches he gave to the UN in the 1980s.
	And I wondered what would happen, and I'm going to paraphrase it, I may be wrong, but you can look it up and watch the video online.
	Yeah, it's very well known.
	I wondered what would happen if we had an alien attack scenario and how that would bring together the world in a common unified front to destroy the alien invaders.
	That is what they're trying to do because they know full well that the United States is the stumbling block.
	And now with Trump in office, we are the stumbling block to the New World Order scenario and to a unified world government.
	The best way to do it is to capture the fear of people and then use that to unify the world.
	And the best way to do it, and there were papers written on it, even as far back as 64, Where they stated the best way is to bring forth an alien attack scenario that would bring all the world together and unify them against the alien invaders.
	Yeah, I don't buy it.
	I think that's bullshit.
	I think the reality is that that's already happened so many times and they never once disclosed it to the people.
	The fact is they're fighting wars both on and off the planet constantly with various ET races.
	And, hey, you're one of them, so you should know this.
	So, yes, there is.
	There was.
	That's kind of an old-fashioned notion now.
	But the reality is it's much deeper than that.
	So, yes, they trot out the fake.
	You know, they're always taking with one hand and giving with the other.
	It's always got to be both because they never want people to be able to focus on one truth.
	They like people to be split.
	They like people to be confused.
	And so that's really the scenario.
	So the fake alien invasion goes along with the real alien invasion.
	And eventually what they're doing is disclosing that.
	That's part of disclosure as well.
	And that is also what is slowing disclosure down.
	But it's also speeding it up because there are various ET races that don't want to be hidden from consciousness of humanity because it's part of Becoming aware, awake and aware, To the fact that we have, well, other cultures out there.
	And that changes the whole playing field.
	And it also takes the power away from the people that are trying to run the planet.
	Keeping it on the human level, which is, it's already left the human level a long time ago.
	But that's my point of view.
	So, listen, Paul, this is great.
	It's awesome having you on the show.
	Thank you.
	I'd like to do this again in the future.
	I think we've disclosed enough here today for the discerning listener to be able to sort of pull it all apart, start putting it back together, start making a little more sense of what, of things that are being, you know, is being made for them by the, by my, let's call them my colleagues out there, and maybe in some small way contributing to people understanding the behind the scenes kind of Play.
	State of play, if you will.
	So, any parting words?
	Well, number one, you know, I want people to...
	What I want people to take out of this is not that we are saying that anything or everything is hopeless.
	It isn't.
	Believe in yourself.
	And if you believe in a higher power, believe in that.
	Focus on what's good.
	And if you pray, pray that the darkness will be revealed by the light and that good will overcome whatever darkness or evil is out there.
	And I want people to know that if we can band together and be a unified front, whatever these individuals may or may not try to do, we can overcome anything.
	If we're unified and if we work together.
	And that's all I have to say for tonight.
	All right.
	Thank you so much, Paul.
	Now, are you doing your radio show anymore?
	No, I'm not.
	I put it on hiatus and, you know, briefly I'll explain why.
	I went to networks that, you know, were making money from ad revenue for my, for my, uh, Show and we're not offering me even as even enough to pay for my internet access and They made a buttload of money off of my show.
	I know that for a fact Ad revenue and I and I was living a populous existence So I kind of you know made me bitter about working the show again, but if I do it again and I've been I've had offers to come back on and do the show again and What I'm going to do is that I'm opening it up for people, even normal people, even members of your audience to come in, and I'll interview them as well.
	I'm more interested in doing human shows than I am doing interviews with famous people.
	Unfortunately, as you know, Kerry, most of the people that I've interviewed in the past, Jim Mars being one of them, they're no longer here.
	They're gone.
	They went to the other side.
	And, you know, I'm kind of sad about that, but I still think that we have a story to tell and that we need to get the story out.
	And tonight was one of those, or one of the things that I, reasons why I did this show, is that I believe that the truth needs to be heard.
	And if I get a chance to do it again, I will, but it'll be on my terms this time.
	And not on the terms of some person to profit on my work and, you know, do nothing for it.
	So I hope you understand that.
	I hope it makes sense.
	Yeah, okay.
	I totally do.
	And, you know, I mean, you can start a YouTube channel and have your own advertisement and make your money that way.
	I don't know how well it'll go.
	And it's always a very dicey situation.
	But, you know, I think you have a good voice.
	And it's, you know, you're obviously got a lot of, you know, good intelligence behind you on both sides of that kind of quotient.
	So, it would be nice.
	And, you know, it'd also be nice to have you back on the show and talk technology sometime.
	Oh, great.
	I thought we'd have enough time to do it tonight, but no.
	But I'm okay with that.
	All right.
	Well, and I'll be happy to do that.
	I just want to do a quick plug.
	If you're out there and you've seen anything...
	That carries written, you know, for the show.
	Please go and check out my book sales on Amazon.com for my book, Redemption of Prophecy Chronicles series.
	And you can go to academia.edu or put in the search parameters if you can't click the link here.
	And go look at my paper that I did as a way to help you get ready for the next show.
	Gravitational propulsion in a fluid membrane.
	And that's the paper that I presented at the State 2 Conference, Albuquerque, New Mexico in 2012.
	Excellent.
	So I've done my plugs for tonight.
	And, Carrie, thank you so very much.
	And I do appreciate this.
	All right.
	No problem.
	Okay.
	It's great to have you on the show.
	And take care.
	Have a great night, everyone.
	Enjoy your Sunday night for those of you that are in this country.
	And we'll be putting this up on my other YouTube channel as soon as we can get it done.
	Thank you.
	And good night.
	Thank you.
	So, anyway, I just want to say that I've got some very interesting guests.
	Let's see if I can get this video working.
	I've got some interesting guests this week.
	Obviously, Paul Price was my guest tonight, but not tomorrow night, but Tuesday night, I'm going to have...
	Let's see, I guess it's Ben Emlyn Jones, and he's going to be talking about this fabulous psychic woman.
	Her name is Helen Duncan, and she was actually framed, as I mentioned, if you watch my other shows, she was framed by Ian Fleming and Churchill in order to keep her silent about the D-Day.
	That was ostensibly why they did it, and put into jail for, I think it was around six months in Britain.
	During that time.
	So it's a fascinating story.
	And Ben Emlyn Jones is a researcher and a filmmaker, and he made a documentary about that.
	And he's a very well spoken and very, very intelligent guy.
	So he'll be a lot of fun.
	That's on Tuesday.
	And then on Wednesday, I've got Debra Tavares, and she's going to be talking.
	She's from StopTheCrime.net.
	She has quite a following out there, and she's been investigating smart meters, water, the fact that we really don't have a shortage, but what they're trying to do with the water, and the weather wars, and a bunch of other things.
	So we're going to go down those roads with Debra Tavares on Wednesday night.
	And let's see.
	I think I have a tentative on possibly Thursday night.
	Yeah, I'm sort of checking into that.
	So we'll see.
	Maybe a special guest.
	And then on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, I'm speaking in Yelm, Washington.
	Actually, on the Saturday and Sunday.
	So if you happen to make it up to the UFO Festival and Symposium, Yelm, Washington is a real backwards kind of area.
	Maybe people know of Ramtha from there.
	And by the way, I'd love to interview Jay-Z Knight Ramtha.
	And so if anyone has contact information and can send it over to me or knows her, then, you know, I'd love to be able to do that while I'm in Yelm because she obviously lives there.
	So other than that, take care.
	Have a great night.
	And I'll be back on Tuesday night.
	Thanks.

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