Knowledge Fight Interactive Search Tool

All Episodes

Previous Next

June 7, 2018 - Project Camelot

01:57:11

PENTYRCH UFO INCIDENT INTERVIEW WITH AN EYEWTINESS

Large

Audio Only |

Scroll

Time	Text
	Hi everyone, this is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and sorry this is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and sorry for the late start here.
	Had a couple technical glitches going on as usual.
	So I have some very interesting guests and we're going to be talking about this fascinating UFO sort of story that Kaz and Gary are going to be talking about and it's called the Pentridge UFO incident and hopefully I'm pronouncing that correctly and I'm gonna bring them on the screen here for you now So again,
	this is Kaz and Gary and We're gonna be talking about this UFO incident and actually I know very little about it other than according to the the picture that I we have on the banner for people that you know saw the banner in the beginning of It's a triangular.
	It looks like a triangular UFO. So do you want to start with which one of you?
	Now, Kaz, you were an eyewitness.
	And Gary, are you an investigator and an eyewitness or just an investigator?
	An investigator.
	Okay.
	So why don't we start off with you, Gary.
	Explain how you got involved in this and why your interest was piqued, et cetera.
	Okay.
	Well, it happened not long after the event itself, actually.
	I was attending a Rich Planet lecture by Richard D. Hall in Merthyr Tidville about two days after it happened.
	And when the presentation was over, the Q&A was then what happened.
	And then one point along the way, Kaz had had the microphone in her hand, and she basically said to the audience that were there that what happened two days ago was not a military exercise.
	It was a UFO. The military were waiting for it and basically the whole room was like wow you know that's that's amazing because there had been quite a military build up a few days before around the surrounding areas and then when I heard about that I thought I really want to look into this so that really did get my interest and I spent a while looking into it and I found a few pieces of information but I couldn't really get much at the time I couldn't contact
	Kaz because for some reason Facebook wasn't allowing her account to show up on mine.
	I did appeal on many other social network groups to see if anyone would be able to help me.
	And after a while, it just seemed like even though I appeal for more witnesses and information, I just couldn't find anything.
	So about a year, about a year and a half went by.
	I had already by then joined Swansea UFO Network and decided I wanted to try my hand at investigating UFOs.
	And then somewhere along the way, one of the members and founding people had found CAS, and from that point on, September, October 2017, I started to work with everyone, and that's how we got to this point today.
	Okay, now the actual...
	Oh gosh, now we do have an echo.
	Let me see if I can turn my sound down a bit.
	So anyway, what happened was This happened in 2016, is that correct?
	Yes.
	Can you describe the actual incident?
	Yeah, I can describe how I've come to learn it.
	Yes.
	What had been happening in the days leading up to Friday, the 26th of February, which is the date it actually happened, is there had been a lot of military vehicles and helicopters and planes in the area.
	And according to what I learned from Kaz and everyone else later on, Sometime early hours of the morning, the military came out in quite some force in a field in Pentook.
	And basically, Kaz and her neighbor had witnessed this very large pyramid-shaped craft come out of like a veil through the sky somehow.
	And it was there for a couple of minutes.
	And during this time, they saw like multiple orbs coming out of its body.
	There was a green one that was circling above.
	And there was, like, lightning effects that took place towards one corner of the craft and everything else.
	And sometime after that, there was a loud explosion that happened some distance away, near the Royal Camorgan Hospital area.
	And basically, the military were there for quite some time, a few hours after the event, clearing things up.
	And after that, the military offered no explanation.
	And the media said it was just a military exercise, which I've never bought from the day one, to be honest with you.
	Right.
	Okay, so now, Kaz, can you talk about how you, you know, what is your story?
	How did you end up to, you know, see the UFO and so on?
	Okay.
	It started for me on the Tuesday, which was the 23rd of February 2016.
	And I first noticed this very small gray twin propeller plane just sort of flying around generally in the area.
	I didn't really pay it any mind because I have RAF St.
	Athens just down the road from me.
	I live on a flight path so I do get quite a lot of planes that go over my house.
	And I really didn't give it any mind at all.
	It was the next day when my neighbour Dave came out of his house about this little aircraft that had been up all night by now and had kept him awake.
	So he was in a very good mood.
	He'd emailed the Ministry of Defence To find out what this little plane was all about, and didn't get a response.
	So that was the Wednesday.
	Wednesday night, when someone's pointed a noise out to you, and this twin propeller plane was going over my house roughly every 15 minutes, that's all you can hear.
	So my attention was drawn to the activity of this plane, and it was still there the next morning.
	That's when we noticed that an identical plane, or what looked like an identical plane, turned up to take the place of the first plane, which then left the area.
	So they never actually left the airspace unwatched, not even for a minute.
	Basically, we'd eliminated everything else.
	We'd come to the conclusion that they must be watching for something.
	Well, my neighbour Dave was actually more convinced that it had something to do with the Russians, because the Russians were sailing that antique Aircraft carrier in our waters at the time.
	So we thought perhaps they were watching for Russian planes.
	We certainly didn't expect to see what we saw.
	Three days those planes were here.
	We decided that night that we'd stay out and we'd watch the activities.
	We expected some exercise, to be honest with you.
	But it got to about 2am.
	We were just about to come in.
	It was freezing cold.
	We did have a fire pit lit.
	When we heard this other plane coming, it sounded like a missile.
	It was so fast, so loud.
	When it went past the roar of its engines, this plane was enormous.
	And it was a full moon that night.
	And as the plane started to bank around to the left, I live on top of a mountain, so I can see in every direction but north, because that's where the mountain is.
	And as it banked around to the left, so we could see it had this huge mushroom-shaped object on its back.
	My neighbour Dave immediately identified it and said, that's an E3 Sentry plane.
	Well, I'm sorry, but I'm not a plane spotter.
	I just about know what a Cessna is, to be honest with you.
	I really don't know my plane.
	So to me, for him saying that's an E3 Sentry plane meant absolutely nothing to me.
	But we watched and this big E3 Sentry plane then started to circle.
	Well, it took, we estimated about five minutes to do one revolution.
	And seven times this plane went around.
	Before the first red light was visible high above the fields behind my house.
	And I shouted for Donna, one of my other neighbours, didn't get an answer.
	And I called for Dave and we jumped over the small wire fence and ran to the gate that overlooks the farmland and the valley.
	Dave ran through the gate and I stopped by the gate.
	And he must have run halfway into the field before I called him back.
	I mean, I don't mind watching, but from a safe distance.
	So he was staring at something for a while.
	I don't know what he was looking at, but I watched this one red light turn into three red lights.
	And then the six leading red lights on its near edge at this what turned out to be enormous pyramid-sized, building-sized craft that came through a black veil like it was coming through a fog, but there wasn't any fog.
	It got brighter as it came towards us, if you like.
	This was all happening about 200 metres away from us.
	When it came into our world from somewhere else, it was turning very slowly anti-clockwise and came down like a pendulum until it righted itself.
	And this green object shot out of the top of it really fast and then just stopped, just swinging backwards and forwards.
	I described it like a leaf falling on a still day, but it wasn't falling.
	It just stayed there waiting for something, watching for something.
	I stood on the five-bar gate to get a better look through the bare trees, because this is still wintertime, at this huge pyramid that had started to list to the right-hand side, still turning very, very slowly anticlockwise, but going backwards, away from us, back to where it had come.
	I thought it was landing, and I actually said to Dave at one point, it's landing, it's landing!
	But where I saw this hand of lightning or plasma ejection come out of it, the ground lit up really brightly.
	It wasn't actually landing.
	The field rises to the north there.
	It's actually the foot of the Garth Mountain to where I thought the craft was coming down.
	It's actually the ground rising and almost touching this huge ship.
	And this plasma ejection wasn't so much reaching out to touch the ground, almost like it was trying to stop itself from touching the ground.
	And I was so fixated on it landing that I didn't see any objects come out at the top.
	But Dave said to me that after the green one, There were at least 15 to 20 of these red, what he described as all-shaped, car-sized craft that came out of the top of it.
	I didn't see any of those, and I could tell you that I did, but I didn't because I was so fixated on it touching the ground.
	Clearly, they were there because we were approached by two of them afterwards.
	After the craft lit up really brightly and this plasma came out, it illuminated parts of the side of the ship.
	You could see that it was a solid ship and not just lights in the sky, like it was textured somehow, almost like, I want to say like a rock face almost.
	After it lit up really brightly, I heard the planes, the military planes come in, and there were two, I now know to be two C-17s, American planes, two of them flying side by side, went straight over the top of us and straight towards this green object.
	And then two other planes came from my left-hand side, from the direction of St.
	Athens, came towards us, and they two-turned and came back behind the green object, which was so bright, you couldn't tell what shape it was.
	It was so bright.
	It was brighter than the moonlight, and it bathed these four aircraft in this green light, and they took up an enormous amount of airspace as the four of them went out to this This green object which then flashed three really bright strobes at the planes and all four planes went after this green object.
	I can't say they chased it but they were like herding it almost in one direction and this green object just skipped away.
	I described it like a happy child or a playful puppy in its own time, you know, not in a hurry and clearly waiting for those military aircraft before it moved.
	I didn't see where the pyramid went, because the moment that I looked back, I couldn't see the pyramid anymore.
	I could have gone back through where it'd come out of from, if that makes sense.
	But the green object was still there.
	Now, we watched those planes and the green object until we couldn't see it anymore.
	And then we could see something red moving behind the trees in the field beyond.
	We watched for a moment, and these two barrel-shaped objects At least the size of a small car, started travelling towards us across the fields.
	One went across to my left, about 30 feet in the air, and stopped above the hedge, about 30 feet away from me.
	And I was still standing on the gate, and I just stared at it for a couple of seconds.
	And I looked to see where the other one was, but that one hadn't stopped, and that was still coming.
	And it was right above the oak tree, right next to me, still red in colour.
	Okay, now can I pause you there?
	Sorry, we have a terrible echo again.
	Can I ask you to, because you're going out of frame, you know, this is a video, and you're kind of, I don't know how it looks on your screen, but on my screen, you, Kaz, you're sort of out of frame, so maybe you could aim the thing at her a little more.
	Okay, because, you know, it would be good to have your face when you're talking.
	At this point, what happened?
	This is quite involved and rather confusing.
	I will step you back and have you go through it step by step.
	Was there more at this point?
	What happened?
	The object that was closest to me came over the top of me and stopped.
	I believe that object scanned me because it changed color from Tell light red to traffic light green and I could see the insides moving like white noise on the TV screen and it just paused for a moment and then after it changed colour it began to move off over the houses and then the red object that was still there then that started to move off but across the fields away towards Saint Athen But
	it didn't move until the green object moved away, and then we heard the helicopters coming, the Apache helicopters low across the fields, flying in a pyramid formation in an attempt to, I believe, intercept the green object that had gone in that direction, and the helicopters came across this way.
	Okay, now, what was the shape?
	You're calling them red and green objects, and I don't know what's happened to my sound.
	Let me see if I can fix that again.
	Turn this off and on.
	So the green and red objects, these are not the large craft.
	They came out of the craft.
	Is that correct?
	That's correct, yeah.
	What were their shape?
	Are you saying these are orbs or are they ships?
	No, they were barrel-shaped.
	They were black on the top and on the bottom.
	There were no doors, no windows.
	I didn't see any aliens.
	And there were lights, like white noise on a TV screen.
	You could see the insides of these things moving.
	They were absolutely silent.
	There was no downdraft, nothing.
	They were about the size of a small car over here.
	And so one of these objects came towards you, is that what you're saying?
	Yes.
	Okay, and when it came towards you, were you frightened?
	No.
	No, I didn't have time to be afraid.
	Okay, and how close did it come?
	Well, I was still standing on the gate, and now I've seen the branch where it came down to less than 20 feet and a little more than 10 feet.
	Away from you?
	Yes, and stopped right above me.
	Okay, and it stayed there for how long?
	Maybe 30 seconds.
	And were you by yourself at this point or had your friend come back from the middle of the field?
	No, Dave was with me.
	He had stepped back because he'd seen the other one coming, whereas I hadn't.
	I was staring at the one that had stopped 30 feet away from me above the hedge, and I just stared at it just for a few seconds, just watching the insides of it move.
	And then I looked to see where the other one was, and by then it was literally Above the oak tree next to me and it moved over the top of me and stopped.
	It's changed my electro dermal wave.
	I have a signal inside of me.
	The transition nearly killed me on New Year's Eve.
	Well, what do you mean?
	Maybe I don't understand the word you just used.
	Transition?
	Transmission?
	What are you saying?
	Oh, it's tricky.
	It only came out when I took the lie detector test.
	And I took the lie detector test so that I could be honest with my doctors and my consultants about what really happened to me because this has affected my physical health as a result of being in close proximity to one of these things.
	I wanted them to be able to take me seriously.
	So the lie detector, it was a double-edged sword for me.
	It did help the investigation.
	But I did it primarily for myself.
	And I used the same facility The US police use, the state and federal Canadian governments use, and the British governments use.
	What do you mean the same facility?
	What do you mean by that facility?
	Okay.
	The New England Polygraph Institute, where all polygraph examiners have to qualify, is the same facility or the same people that I use that qualify.
	In fact, I use The best forensic polygraph examiner in the country.
	Okay, which country?
	Are you talking United States?
	United Kingdom.
	I actually tried two companies in Europe first, two of the best companies in Europe, and when they found out the subject matter, they refused to test me.
	Interesting.
	Okay, and so you were tested by a company in Britain.
	Yes.
	But...
	Correct me if I'm wrong.
	Are you guys in Britain or are you in the U.S. right now?
	In Britain.
	Oh, you are?
	Okay.
	In Wales.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And all of this happened in Wales, correct?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So, now, you said a lot of objects came out of the top of this one thing.
	Right.
	But you've only talked about two since that point.
	Right.
	So, what happened to the rest of the objects?
	I have no idea.
	We walked down to the second gate, from the first gate, which is a field's length, 200 metres away, to where these objects were seen, where Dave said he saw them come down.
	We looked and we couldn't see anything at all.
	It was pitch black.
	We didn't have a torch.
	It's uneven and slippery ground on the top of a mountain.
	Not the safest place to be, with an E3 sentry plane following basically where we were going.
	Okay, so these objects disappeared, but two of the objects came down towards you or in your direction, is that correct?
	That's correct, yeah.
	Okay, now what was going on with the, for lack of a better word, mothership when all this was going on?
	When I looked back, When the planes went over the top of me, I looked up.
	When I looked back, I couldn't see the pyramid shape.
	From the tests that have been done, the field tests that have been done by Swansea UFO Network and Gary Jones, there is an EMF trail in the field that shows the direction of which that craft travelled.
	And it's come through something and disappeared back through something.
	So it came in Jettisoned its load and went back the way it came.
	And our military, I believe, followed a deliberate decoy that deliberately got the military's attention to follow it.
	And are you saying that...
	Wow.
	Weird interference here.
	Are you saying that the decoy was the green or the red...
	Objects?
	The green object that first came out of the pyramid, the very fast one, the one that just stopped and drifted, it swung backwards and forwards, rocking, but waiting for something.
	The very first object that came out, the really bright object, it was so bright I couldn't tell you what shape it was.
	Then other objects came out of it that I didn't see, but my neighbor Dave said that he saw, and they must have been there because two of those objects But from everything that I witnessed, not only did the ETs know what to expect, but our military were waiting for them and expected them to be here.
	Some pretty high-profile people tell me I'm not allowed to say this thing was interdimensional.
	That's what I saw, Kerry.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	No, it's great information, but I just want to back up a little bit.
	Now, the lighting changed in your room.
	Was that somebody who came in?
	Yes.
	I just want to know whether it was a paranormal event or whether someone just turned on a light or opened a curtain.
	Anyway, okay, so...
	You're talking about this situation and there's only two of you, is that correct?
	That's correct, yeah.
	You're the only two witnesses that you're aware of.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Well, that's possibly another that hasn't come forward but has made a statement as such online, but...
	All right.
	What about your friend who, because the person who's with you, Gary, is the investigator.
	He didn't see the object.
	Your friend, you're calling him, I think you said Steve.
	Is that correct?
	Dave.
	Sorry?
	Dave.
	Dave.
	Okay, Dave.
	So what happened to Dave?
	Is he not willing to come forward or what's the story there?
	Okay.
	David has a very narcissistic ex.
	And he is a single father.
	At this point, while his son is so young, he won't go public at all.
	But when his son is at an age where he knows he won't lose him, because that's what he's afraid of.
	Oh, because in Britain...
	Okay, that's because in Britain you can actually be, if you talk about UFOs, you actually can be targeted sort of by the government or by health organizations or something like that to where they can call you crazy.
	Is that correct?
	Right.
	That's right, yes.
	That's just so bizarre.
	I have had passive threats.
	You know, was I worried about what was going to happen to me or my family?
	Really?
	Did I know that five people were killed in a car accident recently?
	That type of thing.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Are you saying that you've had threatening phone calls?
	Oh no, face to face.
	Really?
	Face to face.
	And what kind of people are these that are threatening you?
	Well, they are military for sure.
	They're too fit to be civilians.
	They certainly sought me out and now they've disappeared off social media.
	I believe they were deliberately trying to find me for 18 months or more.
	Because before Swansea UFO Network got involved, after I spoke to Richard Hall, I didn't speak to anybody about it at all.
	Okay, what happened as a result of speaking to Richard Hall?
	And Richard Hall, for those who don't know, is a fairly well-known alternative investigator, and he has his own show.
	Is that correct?
	I don't know what he broadcasts on.
	Is he a radio?
	Does he use radio or does he use YouTube?
	He's on the internet mostly.
	He did have Rich Planet TV. He has his own websites, but he also tours a lot.
	And he is a very respected investigative reporter.
	And I was told that he was the best.
	And to be honest with you, Kerry, I needed the best.
	I didn't know who to talk to.
	The police were clearly involved.
	The military were clearly involved.
	I just witnessed something that moved the goalposts for me as far as UFOs go, changed everything I thought I knew, understood and believed.
	This thing, whatever it was, was enormous.
	And came into our world from somewhere else and left the same way.
	And what's more is our military knew it was coming, but they couldn't stop them, Gary.
	Sure.
	Now, this...
	I guess you've seen the...
	We made a...
	My partner made a banner here and took the picture that I guess is out there to...
	Sort of depict this incident, but this is not a real photograph, correct?
	This is a facsimile of what you might have seen.
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	Now, did you consult with the person who created that picture or were they based, you know, did they just do this on their own independently?
	No.
	With the program that we had, I was there to consult with, but it's only a two-dimensional shape on the right-hand side.
	There should be some shading to show that it's a three-dimensional shape for when this thing actually lit up really brightly.
	But with the program that they had, it wasn't possible to do that, unfortunately.
	I would like somebody to actually make a CGI of the whole event as it happened.
	But unfortunately, as yet, we've not been able to find somebody that can do that.
	Although my eight-year-old granddaughter seems to be very good on her iPad, so she might do it for me.
	Okay.
	So...
	Let's see.
	In terms of the big object, how long was it before the big object sort of...
	Because you had a lot of...
	Planes going overhead and then all of a sudden this big object sort of materialized slowly, you said, by one red light at a time, so to speak, more or less.
	Right.
	And then how long did it stay there visibly for you before the object started being released, so to speak?
	Okay.
	Firstly, we only had the E3 sentry plane above us at that point when the pyramid started to emerge.
	The whole event took about four minutes from beginning to end.
	So from its first emerging, and then it came in on the oblique angle, turning very slowly anti-clockwise, but from its point, so swinging down like a pendulum.
	And when it was in the upright position, when I believe it was completely in this dimension, the green object shot at the top really fast, really fast, and then just stopped and swung backwards and forwards.
	And then while that was going on, it started to lift to the right and move backwards the way that it had come.
	And Dave said he saw 15 or 20 of these barrel-shaped objects or orbs that seemed to hover around Just the very top of this craft.
	I described it like a high-rise building.
	Like if you watched the man walk through the front door, you didn't see the man jump off the roof.
	Such was the size of it.
	And I was so fixated with it landing that I didn't even see the top.
	And if I was on my own, we would have missed so much.
	But clearly they were there because two of these objects came to us afterwards.
	Right.
	So now, what about missing time?
	Have you and or Dave been able to determine...
	I assume you guys had dialogue after this incident, right?
	Right.
	We do believe that we have lost an hour in time.
	When we add up how long we were out by the gate, for example, And the time of the explosion, we seem to have lost an hour in time somewhere.
	Can you talk about that explosion?
	Explain again, how is the explosion related to this incident?
	Because it came from the direction that the green object travelled in at 3 o'clock in the morning.
	And the military, they said that it was part of exercise chameleon.
	Exercise Chameleon was in Durham, on the borders with Scotland.
	Excuse me.
	And there was nothing listed for South Wales at all.
	They closed our entire country's airspace.
	We had over 20 aircraft in the air, in every direction all the way around us, up to 50 miles out.
	But at E3 Sentry, we actually had two E3 Sentries.
	One of which was a NATO plane.
	One of which is...
	ARIA? Yeah, one was ARIA. Excuse me.
	Okay, but...
	Sorry.
	Oh, um...
	Sure.
	Go right ahead.
	So, if...
	Gary, if you happen to know what...
	This exercise was going on when the green object, the explosion happened, she said, in the direction of where the green object ended up going towards.
	But when did the explosion happen?
	Did it happen within the time that the green object was still visible?
	In other words, are we to assume that the green object might have been Okay, no, I don't think the green object was visible after the explosion happened.
	What Kaz is actually saying is that when the big craft was in the field and all these other lights or orbs or barrel shaped ones were circling around the top of it, the green one that was sort of keeping a look at, by this point it had moved on to They've gone like northwestward on the way over to a place called The Common in Lantracent.
	Now there's an area around there called Smilog Wood and there's a big building there called Royal Glamorgan Hospital.
	Now between the time when they observe the main craft and the green object as it went away, you're talking around maybe half past 2, 20 to 3, okay?
	Now the explosion happens sometime around after 4 a.m.
	So there's at least a good hour of time before the green object was seen by Kaz and her neighbor, Dave, right?
	And before this explosion happened.
	Now, according to everyone that I've been able to speak to, this explosion happened somewhere around the Royal Glen Morgan Hospital or over the area of Smilog Woods because that's the area that was closed down and shut off to the public for at least a good couple of hours.
	So in terms of sequence of events, you have what is, in essence, First you have military planes, those two twin planes, so to speak.
	Then a third plane that's very loud going over your heads.
	Right.
	Then this large object shows up, materializes.
	Then, if I, you know, and correct me if I'm wrong here, and then after that you've got these objects coming out the top of it.
	First a green object going very quickly and stopping.
	And then some other objects which were what color?
	Red, to start with.
	All the other ones, maybe around 20, did you say?
	15 or 20 of them Dave said, yeah.
	Okay.
	And then the green, one red and one green headed towards you, whereas the other ones seem to have disappeared.
	No, they were both red, to start with.
	Oh.
	The green object.
	Okay, what happened to the green object?
	The green object, sorry, sorry.
	Okay.
	When the pyramid first started to emerge, we had the E3 sentry and these two small propeller planes that were just circling, still circling the area.
	After the green object shot out of the top and it started to list and move to the right-hand side and moving backwards away from us, they said he saw 15 or 20 of these things come out.
	And then two C-17s flew over the top of us.
	And I looked to see the planes literally go over my head, and two more come from my left-hand side, going towards the green object, and the green object has flashed three times at these military aircraft, and I couldn't see the pyramid at that point at all.
	It's like it just blinked out, like somebody switched the lights off, or it went back where it came from.
	Dave said it switched off.
	It just, all the lights went off as soon as the planes came.
	So I don't know if it was still there, but I couldn't see it.
	And then, as I said, the four planes went after the green object and, you know, talk about throw the ball and all our military went straight after the decoy because they left all the others here.
	Okay, but calling it a decoy, with all due respect, is an assumption, isn't it?
	Absolutely.
	Because you don't really know.
	I mean, maybe these are military.
	Maybe they knew more than us.
	And maybe there was a reason to follow that green thing.
	Now, the explosion, was it related to the green object we're talking about?
	It happened, the direction, it went in that direction, and then subsequent to that, you're talking about, I don't know, 45 minutes to an hour later, an explosion happened.
	Is that correct?
	That's right, yeah.
	Okay, and then simultaneously around this time, two of the red objects that came out of this tree, You know, pyramid-shaped triangle came down towards you.
	Is that correct?
	Before the explosion.
	Right.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Simultaneously, as the planes are chasing after this green object, Right.
	At the same time, a couple of the objects that had come out of it, which are red, are coming down towards you, one of which starts as red but turns to green.
	Is that correct?
	Yes, that's correct.
	Okay, and sort of comes closer to you than the other one, right?
	Came right over the top of us, yeah.
	Okay.
	Now, those were there for, you said, just for 30 seconds or something?
	Approximately, but, you know, it seemed like an eternity at the time.
	Okay.
	And then...
	And then did they blink out or did they travel away?
	Okay, the green one stayed green and drifted silently over the rooftops of the houses.
	The red one stayed red.
	I watched it go down over the field and fade to black.
	So again, I don't know if it switched off or if it cloaked or disappeared.
	I don't know.
	I just couldn't see it anymore.
	Okay, now somebody might say that that explosion had nothing to do with this incident.
	Would you say that's true or would you say for some reason you think they're connected?
	I think they're connected the very same day later that morning.
	Bearing in mind the incident was about 20 to 3 in the morning.
	By 10 o'clock the same day, we'd gone to the landing field first.
	I expected to see burn marks on the ground.
	But there weren't any.
	It was snowing in that field, and only that field, and continued to snow in that field for two days after the event.
	What do you mean, only in that field?
	Literally only in that field.
	For two days.
	For two days.
	Fascinating.
	All right.
	So they created a weather situation.
	In theory, the government created a weather situation in that particular proximity in order to eliminate signs of anything.
	It's a possibility.
	Although we didn't think it was like normal snow.
	Donna said it was like marshmallow or like beanbag balls.
	You could squish it between your fingers, but it didn't necessarily melt.
	Fascinating.
	They said it was more like plastic pellets.
	But I was just more intrigued that I could stand on the edge of the field in one of the other fields and no snow on me, and yet I could see and hear the snow landing.
	In front of me, in the field.
	Anyway.
	Okay, but you answered the question by talking about the snow, but you said you thought there was a link up between the explosion and the incidents.
	And that's because of something that happened later that morning?
	Right.
	When I got back to the house, Dave had been on the internet and found the cover story of the military exercise.
	And I couldn't help myself.
	I made some comments on there about what I saw.
	There were other people there complaining about helicopters that had been hovering low over Tlantrisent Common at 4.30 in the morning for an hour, including Chinook helicopters that had troops.
	And that was our starting point to go and see what had happened.
	We went to Tlantrisent Common and there had been a meticulous metal search on Tlantrisent Common.
	You know, old bits of car that had been there The years have been neatly stacked up in piles along the edge of the road.
	So there'd been a metal search for some reason on the common, but witnesses there said that they heard a secondary explosion that sounded like something hit rather than exploded.
	The actual explosion was so great that it measured 40 miles away on the Richter scale and shook the Royal Grimorgan Hospital to its foundations.
	Okay, but did the news or anyone report, you know, when you have an explosion, usually there's something that has exploded.
	So you said that area was closed down for a couple of days by the military, I'm not sure how long.
	What exploded though?
	Have you any idea?
	Did it never get reported?
	Was it a building that exploded?
	Was it, you know, anyone know what exploded?
	We have asked the question, The Ministry of Defence answered Richard Hall in his Freedom of Information request and said that they'd let off a fake incendiary device, but a fake incendiary device wouldn't have rocked the Royal Morgan Hospital, created huge amounts of smoke, or indeed registered on a Richter scale 40 miles away.
	So something exploded, but nobody is telling us what.
	And then you actually think there was, how long after the first explosion was the secondary explosion?
	Three or four seconds.
	And at the time of the explosion, I'm assuming there were none of these UFO type craft visible at the time of the explosion.
	I'm not sure.
	I don't know if you're still there watching or maybe you can't see the explosion, but you heard it.
	Did you hear it?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And so, were there other aircraft above the area where the explosion happened at the time?
	Dave said that he saw Chinook helicopters going backwards and forwards to St.
	Athens, and we got the takeoff and landing times, and it seemed to be every 20 minutes they were going, there were two of them, both called Lifter or something, backwards and forwards, two Smilog words, for what reason, we don't know.
	We did go up to Smilog Woods.
	We followed the debris trail where some form of projectile had taken out the counterpiece of the trees.
	They were all strewn left and right of us.
	We came out on the top of the ridge and across the road and in front of us was what we've been looking for.
	There were 60-foot trees snapped mid-trunk, 20 feet in the air.
	Wow.
	Little trees.
	These are big, 12-inch thick trees.
	Trunk snapped clean, not even hanging on, you know, gone, snapped off.
	Now this was an observation that you made?
	Yes, we filmed it.
	Okay.
	And this was a new, you're quite sure that this was after the explosion, you went to the site and filmed it or was it a day later or how long, how did you know this thing was connected?
	Yes.
	Were there witnesses to the sawed-off trees?
	Have any other witnesses come forward with regard to those trees?
	There are five witnesses that know about these trees, other than myself.
	And when they were snapped, I think we can all agree the kinetic energy it would take to snap one tree that size would be phenomenal.
	But to snap six At 20 feet in the air, I say is an impossibility in nature.
	We know that hurricanes and tornadoes are capable of that, but it would affect more than just these handful of trees.
	Right, and this happened...
	And every other coincidence, every tree that this projectile, whatever it was, that took out the canopies of all the preceding trees, have all been felled.
	Every single one of them.
	Oh, you mean someone went in subsequent to the event and took them out all together.
	So there's no evidence left, in other words.
	There's some evidence, but not as much as there was.
	All right.
	So this projectile came from what?
	Do you know?
	We don't know.
	We're guessing it's the green thing.
	Okay, so was the green thing...
	I would like to think it was, but...
	In other words, this must have happened.
	In other words, this green object is associated with a projectile and some trees that got sort of sawed off.
	So did this happen after the green object?
	You know, were the planes, in other words, can we envision a drama in which the green object is going, those two planes at least are following it?
	Did you call them Cessnas?
	I'm not sure.
	No, the C-17s.
	C-19s, okay, and they followed that green object, and then at some point a projectile came out of the green object, is what you think, and then headed towards, you know, aimed towards those trees, or is that, am I mixing up?
	I think the green object was shot at with something and metal came off that ship, which is what they looked for, all parts of a missile they looked for on the common.
	It incapacitated the ship and brought it down, but the momentum of it took it through the trees and into Smurlodd Woods.
	What ship was hit?
	The green object.
	So now you're calling the green object, you know, and I'm not trying to, you know, insult your ear.
	I just want to get it clear.
	Now the green object you're referring to as a ship because it was behaving more like a ship at this point, right?
	Well, I believe it was under some form of intelligent control, yes.
	Okay.
	So it's being chased, and you believe the projectile that hit it and sawed off the trees came from the C-17s?
	We don't.
	Or you don't know?
	What it is, right, with the military, there is a timeline I've been able to establish.
	Now, when you work with Kaz and the timeline she establishes for herself and her neighbor, Dave, There is something that sort of comes together here.
	Now, around half past two in the morning, okay, the big craft has started to appear, yeah?
	The three centuries are circling, and then sometime after it, that big craft appears, right?
	Now, at this point, they've run to the gate, and it's fully visible at this point, right?
	And that's when the green objects come out and started to circle, and that's when all those other smaller objects that were red and circling around it, yeah?
	Now, what Kaz has said is that this green one, Saw a couple of other planes coming over the top of her, right?
	And this green one got the attention of them by strobing lights at them or flashing towards them saying, I'm over here.
	And what's happened then is that according to Kaz and her neighbour, and I can mention a third person in a second now, and it's gone over to Lantristen Way, over to the Royal Glamorgan Hospital where the Smilog Woods area is.
	Now, at this point, Kaz has obviously said she's had missing time and After that, she's ended up back at her home, and she's trying to get to sleep.
	Now, sometime after 4 a.m., around 4.15, 4.20 a.m., there is an explosion that takes place.
	It's loud.
	Many people hear it, not just in the Royal Glamorgan Hospital, but shook.
	There are neighbors who live in the areas who I've spoken to personally, and they've also confirmed that there was one big explosion.
	And some other people say, yeah, there was a second one not long after, like five, six, no more than seven seconds.
	It wasn't as loud as the first one, but it definitely, you know, made...
	Enough of an impact for them to hear it.
	Now, what leads me to believe that the green one was shot at, right, is because most of the military aircraft, except for maybe the E3 Sentry, everything else went after it.
	And then sometime later, cars had seen three Apache helicopters heading over in that area, right, where Lantristen is, where the Royal Camorgan Hospital is, and where Smilog is, the woods.
	Now, what's happened is, sometime around 4.15, 4.20, There is an explosion.
	Now around 4.30, there is an Apache helicopter making an emergency landing at Cardiff Airport with smoke coming out of the cockpit.
	I don't know why it's got smoke coming out of there, but it's making an emergency landing at the closest nearest airport that it can find.
	Now Cardiff Airport and St.
	Athens are not too far away from each other, but this one was obviously a little closer, just a bit closer, and it decided it needed to land there in an emergency.
	That's just 10 minutes after this, right, this explosion.
	It's making an emergency landing during a so-called exercise.
	Now, when Kaz mentioned about the Chinook that took off, this thing took off about maybe three minutes after the explosion itself had happened, and then that thing went off into Lantrescent area, and it was making return trips back to St.
	Athens, then going on to Lantrescent again, then coming back, and then going over there at least one more, about two or three times at least, and it's being followed by...
	Two Apache helicopters this time, not three.
	That's in Dave's statement.
	It's on the website if anyone wants to read it.
	But what's interesting is that all this takes place during a time when the green object by this point, you know, is headed over in that direction, right?
	I don't know what it's doing for that full hour, but what's interesting is people's lives spoke to now.
	I've asked where they live and what they hear at that time.
	There seems to be other helicopters and other military vehicles who are waiting Around that area at that time, just not long before the green thing was flying towards that way.
	So I'm not saying that this is the case, but it does sound very much like they were waiting in an ambush in order to cut this thing off.
	Now, one thing that we haven't mentioned, I don't want to say this is part of our investigation.
	There has been someone who in the very early stages said he saw the green thing get chased.
	Now, I haven't mentioned him.
	I'm not going to say his name.
	But he may be a potential witness who we really want to talk to.
	Okay?
	Now, when you talk about the trees at Smilog and how were they damaged before, is this a case of, oh, they were already damaged?
	I don't think so.
	Because up in Smilog, there is a bike trail.
	People like to ride their mountain bikes down and, you know, do crazy jumps and stances and stuff.
	They have the GoPro helmets and the GoPro sticks on their bikes, right?
	And where this trail, bike trails lead to, that's exactly on the same trail where these trees have been snapped and these trees are laying all over the place.
	Now, you can go back on YouTube, which is what I did, to see if I could find what dates these videos were posted just to establish that area had not been damaged before.
	And the closest I could get to it was around the 21st of February.
	Okay, so those trees are still standing.
	Looking strong, looking healthy.
	There are one or two that are bent over, but that's been done naturally.
	They're not part of what's happened here.
	Excuse me.
	Now, there is another person who I did speak to.
	His name is Oscar Green.
	He's an avid mountain bike rider, and he goes up there quite often.
	And he said to me in communications with him that before the 26th, those trees were all fine.
	They're all standing.
	They had a pallet ramp there.
	They call it their pallet land.
	They had a ramp there made of pallets so they could do these big jumps over the road and over the bushes and everything.
	It's what they do.
	But when you get up there on the 26th or the 27th, the trees have been snapped and his ramps have been destroyed.
	So before the 25th, they're okay.
	Then the 26th onwards, they're completely wrecked.
	They're damaged.
	They're broke.
	And this is roughly the time when, during the night, He saw the E3 sentry as well, so he's another witness to that.
	But he said he went up there on the 26th, trees are damaged, his pilot's been destroyed.
	You don't know why, but I can only assume that it has to do something with this explosion and the reason why Smilog Woods was closed off for a good number of hours after that.
	And also when you're asking about did people see vehicles, military, over the area of Smilog Woods?
	The people working at Logan Morgan Hospital and those who lived in the area said that for a good few hours, there were helicopters circling over this area, not really leaving there.
	And something we forgot to mention is that many people smelled sulphur, the smell of sulphur, and there was smoke coming from the area of Smilog as well.
	You've got to ask yourself, right, what's with the broken canopies?
	What's with the broken trees?
	What's with these explosions?
	Why are these helicopters and tremors taking place roughly at the same time?
	And then when you look at it afterwards, you know what I mean?
	There's all this damage now that can't be explained before.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	That was very good and helps to clarify.
	But what happened to the projectile that you, Kaz, were talking about?
	Someone saw a projectile.
	You weren't sure where it came from, but you believe it was aimed at the green object.
	Well, someone said they saw the green object being chased by the military and that someone had opened fire on it.
	And basically, that's what caused it to come down.
	Now, in the beginning, he had written some comments on a website, and since then, the comments have been deleted, and the story seems to have disappeared.
	Now, I don't know if this person will come forward after listening to this.
	I hope he does, because he's a primary witness to that incident.
	But what I would like to mention as well is that during my investigation with Soufan, myself, Mike Maunder, and Emlyn Williams, when we were searching on the internet to see if Any sort of reports had been made.
	One did come up about a week later, but we found it many months after, of course, is that on March the 6th, which is about a week after this event had taken place, someone who had called himself Mike Henberry, I don't believe that's his real name.
	I think he's used a cover name, you know, a false alias, an alias name.
	He commented quite a number of words there, actually.
	It was almost like a statement in itself, where he talked about CMS... Large craft, pyramid-shaped, pulsing red lights, this big green thing shot out the middle of it, and then there was all these other lights.
	He called it dancing around, like they were phasing in and out between it.
	Now, where he saw it, according to what he wrote, was in Tinocoid Road.
	Tinocoid Road is just up further from where the fields actually are, and he was walking his dog, And he may have been going back from his walk or coming up to his walk.
	I don't know.
	But he said he saw this craft.
	He saw the large pyramid-shaped object.
	He saw all the lights and orbs dancing around like they were merging in and out of the art.
	The main craft itself.
	The large craft seemed to die down.
	There were still the red ones, the little ones there.
	But then this green one, which later on shot up, A bit higher, strobe some lights and then headed off in the direction towards where I just said earlier, over to Lantresens.
	Now, of course I've not spoken to him.
	I've not been able to sort of like get him on camera or get him to explain more, but I find it rather interesting that he is a potential third witness to that.
	Because what he said, just one week after, is exactly what I found out, you know, all these times later on, with Soufan investigating everything.
	It's like, he's making it up, he's being very, very accurate, because that's everything I've confirmed so far with the investigations that we've done.
	Okay, it also sounds like it also relates to Kaz's statements.
	Okay, so that...
	And now, Kaz, you mentioned this projectile, but you didn't actually see it yourself, is that correct?
	That's right.
	Okay.
	But in this shooting down or shooting of something or at the green object in theory, you said you didn't know where that projectile...
	How do you even know that there was a projectile?
	In other words, just because someone shoots something, you could, you know, it goes too fast for the eye to see.
	Something that is like a projectile that can actually be seen would in theory be like almost In theory a missile, but it'd have to be going kind of slow for you to actually see it with the naked eye that clearly that you would call it a projectile.
	So how did that come about?
	I think you've misunderstood what I was trying to say.
	I think the green object was the projectile.
	My theory, and it is only a theory, is that whatever they hit it with, incapacitated it, but didn't bring it down.
	And it crash-landed into Smilog Woods.
	And one of the reasons why I think it was under intelligent control is simply this.
	When you look at Smilog Woods, it looks like a giant W shape, but the right-hand valley is lower than the left.
	Unfortunately, behind that right-hand valley is a very large hill that rises behind it.
	And if you were in a flying ship or aircraft of some description, And you would lose an altitude.
	You'd want to make that ridge.
	So you would have headed for that lowest point to have made that ridge.
	Unfortunately, having made the ridge, there was another hill rising and they smashed straight into the trees in a dead straight line.
	We followed something.
	Whatever snapped the tops of those trees off was coming through the air.
	Whatever smashed into those trees didn't touch the ground.
	Left white burn marks, like a chemical burn, on the side of the trees.
	All the bark had been stripped from all of the trees around the area.
	And the wood had curled outwards towards you, implying something very heavy had been dragged against those trees in an upward motion to have not only taken the bark off, but to have made that wood curl outwards.
	So you went to this location, is that right?
	That's right, yeah.
	Okay, and filmed, presumably.
	And did you go with the same person, Dave, or did you go with someone else?
	I went with Dave, my neighbor.
	I went with Steve, who's a very good friend of mine.
	And went with Donna, who's another neighbor that lives in the street.
	Okay, so when you guys went there, you saw the damage to the trees, and you were thinking that it was this green object that turned it into a sort of Maybe fiery projectile after being hit and went through those trees.
	In theory, it must have hit the ground at some point down the ways from that.
	I mean, one would logically say if it really was hit, or are you thinking that it recovered and dematerialized or something?
	I mean, what is the thought?
	No idea.
	We actually went out looking for an impact crater, such as the size of the explosion.
	I went to Plantris and Common first, thinking we could find an impact crater.
	When we went to Smilog Woods on the day, Smilog Woods runs for miles, so it wasn't something that you could do in a day.
	And when we found the debris trail, we decided we'd go back the next day, which was the 27th, to film, to follow the debris trail through to its end.
	Now nothing grows on the forest floor there.
	Everything is dull and brown because it's forestry commissioned.
	There are no branches on the lower parts of the trees.
	It's only maybe the top 12 feet of tree that has any green on it at all.
	So for all of these canopies to be down and in a straight line strewn left and right of us through the woods as far as you could see something went through those trees and as it hits each tree So it would have slowed down.
	Okay, but you went down...
	I don't believe it touched the ground.
	I believe it crashed into those trees and stayed there.
	I see.
	But you said you were going to go back the next day.
	Did you go back the next day?
	We did, yeah.
	We went back on the...
	When we first found the debut trail, Steve and I found it.
	And we decided we'd come back and tell the others what we found.
	And that we'd go back the next day because Smilog Woods is so big...
	All of us would go, and we'd follow this debris trail through to its end, which is what we did.
	In fact, we searched the whole wood that day, and that was the only damage we could find anywhere.
	Okay.
	Now, you told me about a cordoned-off area for several days after this incident.
	But it sounds as though this wood that you're talking about, this woods, was not cordoned off because otherwise you wouldn't have been able to get in.
	Is that correct?
	Or did you go after the cordoning was, you know...
	Did they cordon it off and then disappeared the military, so to speak?
	Okay, they cordoned it off for several hours.
	I would have said that they were finished by 7 a.m.
	in the morning.
	So they could have removed the craft, removed the evidence, the downed craft, in essence.
	Everything.
	They swept up and cleaned everything by 7 a.m.
	that morning.
	In fact, this so-called military exercise It took place at 4.30 in the morning over people's houses, next to a hospital.
	No one was told about it.
	Certainly the administrator for the hospital wasn't told about it.
	That hospital shook.
	Patients were shook in their bed, physically shaken in their beds.
	They actually thought that a bomb had gone off in the building.
	So this happened right outside the hospital.
	Okay, now...
	Okay, so just in terms of this story, you know, and it's quite an involved story.
	It also involves what in essence is some kind of premeditation or some alert that seemed to have gone out to the military such that they were prepared for something.
	Whether they knew exactly what that something was to happen in that general vicinity.
	So that's why you had these flyovers constantly.
	And then the actual incident happened.
	And the incident happened at what time at night again was that?
	10.40 in the morning.
	So how did you end up at the gate?
	And why did you go out of your houses?
	Like, most people don't go out of their houses to a woods in the middle of the night.
	No, I didn't go to the woods.
	I went out of my house to go to the gate behind my house.
	Why?
	So that there wasn't any obstruction in front of me so that I could see without having to look through trees.
	What were you motivated to see at that point?
	Because there was no explosion.
	At that point, was it the loud aircraft that had gone over at the top of your house that made you come out the door?
	We decided we were going to watch them because we eliminated everything else and decided that they must be watching for something.
	And as I said, Dave thought that they were probably watching for Russian planes.
	Because they were sailing that antique aircraft carrier in our waters at the time.
	Right, but so did you run?
	It was the first red light that we saw that made us go to the gate.
	Okay, so had you just walked outside your house and looked up and seen a red light?
	No, we were watching.
	We had the fire pit lit.
	We were watching the activities of this small Twin propeller plane at the time.
	We didn't know what to expect.
	So you're watching the sky.
	Is that correct?
	We were watching the plane.
	In the sky.
	Yes.
	It wasn't very high.
	It was very low.
	I was just about to come in and that's when the E3 sentry turned up.
	Which is the very loud one.
	Is that correct?
	Right.
	Okay.
	And then did it fly in the direction of where the red lights started to appear?
	No, it started to circle this entire area, and as I said, it took about five minutes to go around once.
	Okay.
	We counted seven times, so it got here roughly 35, 40 minutes before that first red light appeared.
	Ah, okay.
	So we're still there hanging out, and you were outside your door at that point, just watching this sort of demonstration going on, so to speak.
	Yeah, Dave was with me.
	Right.
	Donna was in and out.
	Because it was cold.
	She was mostly making hot chocolate and running in and out.
	So when I called her and I didn't get an answer, I called a second time and just didn't wait, just didn't think, just ran straight to the gate behind.
	What were you running after?
	Were you running after the red light?
	Running so that we could have an unobstructed view of what was going on.
	Okay.
	red lights hadn't shown up at that point because the reason i'm asking for very close details here is because i'm what i'm trying to figure out is whether or not you know you were psychically um tuning in to the fact that an event was going to happen and therefore you went out to have that unobstructed view because you know a lot of people have airlines air Well, I do.
	They do patrolling all over my house all the time.
	And once in a while, I do go out on my deck to watch and see what kind of a craft is it.
	Okay?
	And because it's always interesting to see what kind of craft is going around my area.
	So...
	But I normally, you know, if I was going to say that something so interesting was going to happen about that, I don't usually like then go out the door and down the street or down, you know, like you went down to your fence.
	I'm not sure how many yards that is or whatever you call it.
	But you know what I'm saying?
	So what I'm wondering is, were you and Dave sort of getting this sort of, I don't know, anticipatory feeling that something was about to happen?
	We didn't know what to expect, and that's the truth.
	When we saw the first red light, that's when we moved.
	That's when we ran to the gate.
	Oh, I see.
	I had no idea what I was looking at, but I certainly didn't expect what we saw.
	Okay, now, have you seen UFOs before?
	I've seen things that can only be described as UFOs, as in unidentified, but...
	Not like this.
	This completely changed everything for me.
	Sorry, just trying to clarify here.
	If you've seen UFOs, you had an open mind in your life.
	You were already sort of open-minded to UFOs and their presence.
	Was Dave the same way?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So you knew about UFOs and you knew you could see them.
	It was a possibility, right?
	But at this point, you're saying that this incident changed your entire life.
	And I also want to get into this sort of...
	Physical thing that happened to you.
	But aside from that, so why would you say that this was such a life-changing?
	It's, I mean, given there's a large craft, it's larger than maybe most, maybe closer than most.
	What was, can you like zero in on why it's so life-changing if you already knew about UFOs?
	This thing didn't come down from outer space, Kerry.
	This thing appeared in the space and it didn't Picloak.
	That's what a lot of people will want me to tell you.
	This thing came through into our world from somewhere else.
	Okay, but you know that...
	Okay, maybe this needs clarification.
	So when I say UFO, I know that UFOs can go interdimensional.
	I take that for granted.
	In other words, they do come in from other dimensions.
	It sort of goes with the territory.
	But in your world, when you said UFOs, you just meant literally an unidentified flying object.
	You didn't necessarily mean an object from...
	Outer space from other worlds, interdimensional, meaning aliens, etc.
	So your head was not quite to the place where you believed there were beings from other planets coming in on UFOs and so on.
	No, I never really thought about it.
	It wasn't first in my mind, to be honest with you.
	I certainly did not expect what we saw out there that night.
	And it has changed me.
	It's changed me as a person.
	I was a borderline agoraphobic before this happened.
	I would not go out.
	I certainly would.
	You know, when I said in my speech that it didn't fathom in my five-year plan, it wouldn't have fathomed in my plan at all because it wouldn't have been in my thinking to ever want to speak publicly and especially to voluntarily go to a crowd of people to speak.
	It's just not who I am.
	Catch me up here a little.
	What crowd of people did you speak to?
	Oh, right.
	I spoke to the Swansea UFO Network.
	They did a presentation of the evidence.
	And I was kind of a surprise at the end because nobody knew that I was there.
	But felt compelled to come forward, to stand by what I said.
	To prove what I said I saw.
	So at the time you were a witness, you were not of the mindset that UFOs were alien vehicles?
	No.
	Okay, and what about Dave?
	Was he the same way as you were, or has it changed his life as well, or was he someone who actually thought UFOs did come from other worlds, so to speak?
	I don't think that he really believed.
	He'd always said that he wanted to see something where he could categorically state That's a UFO. But I don't think he gave it any more thought than that, really.
	All right.
	So that's really fascinating.
	Now, you have said that you've been told not to talk about this incident.
	How soon after the incident happened were you visited by military people who knocked on your door and told you not to talk?
	Or what was the sort of trajectory on that score?
	Okay.
	They didn't contact me until after Swansea UFO Network got involved.
	And when was that?
	They got involved about 18 months after the event.
	And it was quite by chance that they'd organized a sky watch for the Garth Mountain.
	And I'd put a comment underneath to say it's a good place to be.
	And that was all I said.
	And from there, they contacted me.
	But they'd been trying for 18 months.
	I'd type my name into...
	Facebook, and it wouldn't come up.
	That's all.
	Swansea is, now, so I understand this, Gary, are you a member of this organization?
	I am, yes.
	Okay, so why did you guys see her comment and decide to contact her when she just made such a brief contact?
	Well, what had happened was, is that not long after it had I mean, so many people wanted to speak to Kaz.
	So many people wanted to investigate.
	But when I got online for the weeks that followed and the months after it, I couldn't find her account.
	I know she was using a Facebook account.
	She'd been making comments on other websites, which she needed a Facebook account to do.
	But when I would type her name in a search entry or try to find it in Some other, like, local people, you know, look for this account, local to me somewhere.
	It just wouldn't come up.
	And as I said, it got to a point where you're sort of appealing for, you know, information or you're trying to find more people who may have seen something.
	Because I was wondering at the time, something that amazing must have been seen by, you know, you ironically think it must have been seen by dozens of people, but realistically, not many people saw it at all.
	But, I mean, there were other elements, you know, like explosions and this and that, but it wasn't yielding anything.
	So after a while, we just sort of dropped it and thought, you know, well, this isn't going anywhere.
	But we sort of kept an open mind, trying to find where Kaz was.
	But then the other members, you know, so the founding chairman and other members, lifelong members who have been there, went and had a skywatch on Garth Mountain.
	They just made a post of it there.
	And obviously Kaz lives in the area.
	She just saw it and made a comment there.
	Oh, so they knew that this person who made this comment was the person who had seen this Plentette Trich UFO sighting.
	They recognized her name.
	Is that correct?
	Kaz, yeah.
	Kaz had seen the Sufon post, the Swansea UFO Network post, and just Made a comment there, and when we saw the name, it was like, well, hang on, that Kaz Clark is the same person who spoke at the rugby club all 10 years ago about what had happened.
	So one of us made contact with her, and from there, it just sort of developed.
	I mean, if you think it's confusing listening to it for the first time, you can imagine what it was like for us, because there were just so many details to include.
	It wasn't just like, oh, I saw this, it was there, and that was it.
	Now, there were two locations.
	One was lined for the Penturic fields, the other was Smilog.
	Okay, how did we get from Penturic to Smilog?
	What happened here?
	What happened there?
	And it was just like, okay, that's a lot of information there.
	But as time went on, we got to grips with it.
	Yeah, we got to grips with it.
	And, you know, one of the first things I would like to get into this, one of the things that we decided to do was to try looking for EMF signals.
	We talked about the craft and we talked about what it did.
	Can we talk about EMF? Yeah, absolutely.
	Just let me get a final answer from Kaz on this one question that was sort of, this line of inquiry was going down.
	So Kaz, you were approached then with a, after you had gone public, somehow you had military people contact you or somebody threatened you.
	I had somebody Contact me via Facebook, wanting to come to Pentook Fields to see where this incident took place.
	And when they arrived, it was immediately evident that they were military, just by the way they carried themselves, how fit they were.
	They were very evasive when you ask them personal questions.
	And for all of their interest, There was no interest.
	They were there to make passive threats.
	For example, we took the EMF meter out to the field and someone who would have genuinely had an interest would have wanted to have carried that meter, to have looked, to have checked for themselves.
	But there was no interest there.
	They asked me what I wanted.
	And I don't really want anything other than...
	Okay, so was it more than one man or just one man?
	Just one.
	Just one.
	Okay, were there other threats subsequent to his...
	So his threats, I must assume that his...
	Was he overt?
	Did he say, you know, you're not to talk about this?
	You know, I work for the government.
	Or was he covert?
	In other words, he's just casually saying some kind of threat, which you perceived as a threat.
	Something like, oh, I wouldn't talk about this if I were you, and not explaining why he would say that.
	It was a little bit more deeper than that.
	What he actually said was, aren't you worried about what's going to happen to you and your family?
	You're extraordinarily brave to come forward.
	I said I wasn't worried.
	Didn't you know that five people got killed recently in a car accident?
	They went into a tree or something.
	I said, well, the tree didn't snap, did it?
	There were other things.
	So you were standing, were you with other people when he was making this?
	Oh, absolutely.
	I wouldn't have gone on my own.
	Right.
	And so how long, I mean, because once a person starts talking like that, did you try to leave, to get away from him?
	Or was this sort of done in a cordial fashion such that you didn't quite know whether he was overtly threatening you?
	You know what I'm saying?
	You thought later perhaps it was a threat?
	You know, because if somebody starts threatening you, you would run or leave.
	No, Dave left.
	Dave left immediately.
	He said he felt very uncomfortable because this guy did step up to him and said, aren't you worried about what's going to happen to your family?
	And looked at his little boy, you know.
	Wow.
	Very interesting.
	If I tell you that I know that this man's military man And not only was he a military man, but I believe, because I felt it, that he was there that night.
	And when I was explaining to him what I saw, he wasn't trying to imagine.
	He was remembering.
	Okay, very good.
	And when I said to him, you know, it would have looked amazing from the air.
	Anybody else would have said, yeah, to be up on top of the Garth Mountain, it would have looked amazing.
	And he immediately shut it down and said, oh, well, you were the one that saw it.
	Immediately defensive and I pick up on very subtle Differences, you know the body language and when people are being defensive and he was and as I say I Felt it.
	I know he was there and that might sound strange to people, but okay Were there other people after he came and went in the You know months and actually years since this event because that was 2016 and this is now 2018 so have you had other sort of covertly or overtly threatening phone calls or emails or people on Facebook or?
	No, not threats, direct threats.
	I've had people that are quite high profile Tell me that I can't say this thing was interdimensional because I don't know.
	Well, Kerry, I was there, and I can only tell people what I saw.
	And to me, it appeared like it was coming through a black veil.
	Right.
	Okay, now let's talk about the ELF. Is that how you call it?
	EMF? EMF, electromagnetic frequencies.
	Okay, let's talk about that.
	Well...
	Go ahead.
	Okay, it's just that When we started to understand the story and the outline and what we were dealing with, one of the things that we decided to do was, because anyone who's ever done a UFO investigation or read up on one knows that when these amazing crafts appear and they land very close to the ground or they're in a woods or a field somewhere, Don't know why, but they always leave these very unusual EMF readings.
	You can pick them up.
	You can get an everyday household meter.
	You can probably get a very expensive one, but a normal one will do, a good model, a good few pounds.
	And we took it out into the field, and we just decided, let's just have a look around, see what we find.
	And we've done this a few times, but the first couple of times we did it, it was like, well, there's a signal right there.
	What's that there?
	Oh, that's where that green, that one that turned from red to green was actually by.
	And we went around the area again, and there was one a bit further down.
	Okay, we're getting something back here.
	Okay, what's this?
	You know, because we were still learning the story.
	Kaz said, well, that's what the red one was.
	I'm sorry.
	Please tell them that I told you what I witnessed before you did any tests, because that's simple.
	It wasn't that you were doing the tests, and I'm saying, oh, that's where that was, and that's where that was.
	All right, so you got the story, and then you went around trying to find Where approximately the story took place using that EMF machine, correct?
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, I'll just say it again.
	It's just what I'm saying is that when we were looking in the areas, CAS had already established it, where everything was, yeah?
	So we were just finding the signals where these things were actually taking place.
	Now, after a couple of times when we went into those fields and we started scanning the areas, right, we realized there's a lot of signals around here.
	We've got to map it out.
	So we all got together one day and we basically grid reference searched the fields, the main two fields and the ones, you know, sort of around it.
	And by the time we had finished in Pentur, we'd actually found a trail that went from one field where the main craft had actually been hovering, yeah?
	And then it got into the third field where it actually moved up closer to Tinocoid Road where the Mike Henry character would have seen it.
	And where Kaz said she saw the lightning coming out the corner, There's a little area up there called the ball patch.
	I call it the ball patch because there's no weeds or grass or anything.
	Now, it's starting to grow back a bit, actually.
	But there's like this distinctive ball patch up there.
	It's about the size of a penalty spot in a penalty box in a football field.
	And when we got up there, I mean, there was just signals all over the place.
	You know, you could stand still and the meter would just be going off like that.
	And I'll tell you a little funny story.
	Mike Morda was the one who was holding it at this point.
	He was just like, yeah, standing still.
	Now, this thing reads at MicroTesla, and according to the research and studies that I read about this, anything around 0.2, 0.4 is about normal and safe for a human being to be exposed to, yeah?
	But normally, household items like that are insulated in wiring and cases and everything.
	But this is out in the field.
	And you're standing in the middle of this field, and this meter's reading up, and it's going 0.6, 0.8, 0.9.
	It's almost touching 1 at some point.
	And it's like, wow, where's all this coming from?
	So, we basically mapped it all out, and as I said, it followed the exact same path, went out, and then sort of curved upwards towards the field where the ball patch was where the lightning came out.
	And that is exactly the path that Kaz said it did long before we even scanned those fields.
	And everything else you said had happened, we had found the signals for it.
	Okay, what's the time span between when it happened and when you did your scanning?
	Yeah, it was about...
	20 months after it happened.
	We went into the fields a number of times.
	We did it in October, in November, in December.
	We did another one in January.
	We've been up there about six or seven times.
	Of 2017?
	2017 through to 2018, yeah.
	It was at least 18, 19 months after the event.
	So what's interesting is that you've got a signal still in the field at least a year and a half, maybe two years after this thing has taken place.
	Right.
	And what I've noticed when I was going around with this meeting, we were all doing our research and we filmed it and photographed it.
	We took a metal detector to make sure we weren't getting any wirings under the ground or anything that could give us a false reading.
	We even took a Geiger counter.
	I've got the readings for that and I'm going to publish that at a later date.
	But it's the EMF that's the most interesting one.
	Every time we went into the fields, the signal started to diminish.
	It would get weaker and weaker and weaker.
	It's slowly going away.
	So it's not an actual signal.
	So to me, it's artificial, and somebody had to put it there.
	No, I've said to Kat, no, unless you're putting false readings in the field for me to find, you know, you're doing a very good job, but I don't see how you can mimic EMF fields, EMF signals in a field, especially on the scale that we were finding.
	All right.
	Okay.
	But what about the...
	Did you go to the location of the hospital where the explosion took place?
	Oh, great.
	Yes.
	I'll...
	Get to a point on that now, right?
	We went up to Smilog Woods as well, and where the trees had been felled, not too far from the impact set that we had found, where the trees were all snapped, all those trees had been felled, and what we decided to do was the same thing.
	We'd grid reference, search it all, and then, you know, we'd go around to the other areas and see what we could find.
	The only thing we found up there, we didn't find many signals, found enough, and it followed a line that Kaz and her friends had said that They found the canopies broken into.
	It led right into the area where all those trees have been snapped.
	Now, this is interesting, right?
	I don't know if a missile or some other human vehicle is going to give off an EMF signal like that.
	But if you trace it back from where the trees are, then you come back to where the EMF trail we found and the broken canopies, it leads back to the hospital.
	Back from the common to Lantress, and if you follow it back, it goes pretty much to the area where they had seen the green object in the first place.
	So there's like a trailer, an after-effect of EMF that follows a line, a path of trail, right back to where this thing has been seen going, which I find really interesting.
	And if I can just say, with regards to the snow that they found in the Pentirk fields, in that old patch area where the lightning had come down, We got video, Kaz and her friends had taken video of this, up in the area where those trees had been snapped not long after the event had taken place.
	Now I've checked with the weather forecasters, I've checked the local weather charts.
	The only two, there was no snow in the area, but if you listen to Kaz and her statements and everyone else's, the only two areas that were getting this very funny snow was in the field at Pentoke and up in Smilock Woods.
	Now, I can only guess at this point what's causing that.
	There's got to be some unusual EMF effects that are localized to those particular areas.
	It's the only thing I can think of.
	Excellent.
	Okay, well, very good.
	Very good, you know, methodical research.
	And I'm sure people value that with regard to this incident.
	So, have you ever heard, you live in Britain, of Nick Pope?
	Yes.
	He worked for the, I think you call it the Ministry of Defense, and he was sort of on the UFO desk, so to speak, for a period of time, a number of years, and then he supposedly resigned.
	Then I think he went back to work for them for a short time, and then I think he resigned again, or whatever.
	And actually, Camelot, just a full disclosure here, we interviewed him many years ago, back in early days of Camelot, because Bill was only with Camelot for three years.
	So it was during the first three years.
	And I've been doing this 12 and a half years now.
	So it was way back when.
	And we couldn't get a straight answer from him in the entire interview, which is extremely rare.
	And so we never published it.
	He wasn't happy about that, actually, but we never did because he wouldn't give a straight answer.
	Now, I know that he's written some books about UFOs and sci-fi books, and he's also supposedly kind of disclosed a bit more since then, gotten onto the circuit.
	He speaks at events, etc.
	Did you ever try to approach him with this incident?
	Yes, I did.
	And what did you get pushed back or what happened?
	I asked him if he knew that the military were opening fire on UFOs.
	And he said, I'm not sure that they are.
	And I said, well, I know that they are.
	And he said, I can smell a liar at 500 paces.
	And I said, I hope you can.
	Oh, wow.
	He wouldn't take on the case at all.
	So he's even threatened by that.
	That's very typical.
	So, interesting.
	Yeah, there's a whole pushback going on.
	So, now, you were on Richard Hall's show.
	When was that?
	Well, I wasn't on his show.
	I went to speak to him.
	Oh, you weren't on his show.
	It was on the 29th of February, 2016.
	Oh, I see.
	So you went to talk to him...
	Oh, I thought you were saying...
	I thought you were saying you were on his show.
	So you just went and talked to him personally.
	Yes.
	I didn't know who he was.
	He was recommended to me and I needed...
	I was desperate to speak.
	I was frantic.
	I needed to tell someone about this.
	And I thought by telling Richard I was doing the right thing.
	So you told him.
	Did he invite you on a show?
	He invited me to stand up at the end of his show and ask the audience if anybody there knew anything that had happened in the early hours of Friday morning.
	And there were a few people that did stand up.
	In fact, there were that many people that stood up to say what had happened to them that I didn't actually get to say the whole event.
	Somebody stood up from the Royal Good Morgan Hospital who was a member of staff working that night.
	Talked about smoke coming from the air, the filth events, going through the vents in the hospital, said that the whole hospital shook.
	Another lady said that all the roads were closed in the heads of the valleys and it took her three hours to get home on a trip that would normally take 40 minutes because every road that she went up, the police had closed.
	Now, since the investigation, Gary's put in a lot of Freedom of Information requests.
	To the police, to the Royal Mint, to the local government, National Resources for Wales, who are in charge of Smilog Woods, to be told, no one knows anything.
	Nothing.
	No one had permission to close the roads.
	No one had permission to, the armies didn't have permission to use Smilog Woods.
	Yet clearly they were going backwards and forwards there all night.
	well for three hours at least so it's hiding behind yeah I feel I feel that a freedom of information request to the South police because I just wanted to know who gave authority shall we say to close down the roads and even close off Smilog Woods and as Kaz said I filled in a lot of freedom of information requests just to see if I could find out who did that and even if they got a notification that an exercise was coming
	Now The replies I got said basically no one knew anything.
	Obviously a little worded differently, but they basically said that they didn't know that there was an exercise, no one had given them notification.
	So by this point, I had written to the Southwest place because no one else seems to have any idea what's going on.
	And it took them a while to get back to me.
	They took the maximum time allowed.
	By the time they got back to me, they said that my request had been refused because it was vexatious.
	Oh, Mary, one of those.
	Oh, that's hilarious.
	And it would cause harm or some kind of disturbance or worry to them, right?
	And I'm like, why?
	I'm only asking about something that happened two years ago.
	Why do you close the roads?
	Who closed the roads?
	What was the exercise for?
	You know, you come back with this.
	It's nonsense, you know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	I mean, they didn't have to answer every single question, but they could have told me that at least, you know what I mean?
	That's fascinating.
	Yes, well, I actually know a guy who's quite familiar with that vexatious act situation, and that's an extremely insidious way of the British...
	Government and system to shut a person up from complaining or alerting people as to dangers in their own environment.
	Now, okay, Kaz, so you went to Richard Hall.
	This was back in 2016.
	You were part of a small event that he was involved in.
	Is that correct?
	No, I've gone to his conference, not to see his conference, but just to speak to Richard.
	Right.
	To tell him what I witnessed.
	He invited me to speak at the end of his show, which I did, and I stood up and addressed the audience and told them what I'd seen, or at least part of it anyway, before other people started to stand and give their testimonies to what they witnessed.
	Right.
	I found it strange that there was no one taking their names and addresses to get a statement from these people.
	But clearly, there were a lot of people that were disturbed that night, either by aircraft, helicopters, hovering very low over people's homes at half past four in the morning, and an exercise that was never listed as an exercise.
	Okay, so...
	At that point, I'm just curious, so have you come forward, you know, this has gone several years now, in other venues than this one at this moment?
	I have now, yes.
	Okay.
	I spoke to Lily Bolton Howe on Coast to Coast Radio.
	Okay.
	She was the first person to break the story on Coast to Coast.
	I hadn't spoken to anyone before Swansea UFO Network got involved.
	And I wasn't looking to speak to anyone.
	Why was that?
	Were the threats that you received, were those kind of persuading you not to talk?
	Or, you know?
	Wells Online weren't very happy with me.
	I'm sorry, who online?
	What?
	Wells Online, the Welsh news...
	For Wales.
	I had one of their reporters contact me.
	Very insistent.
	Wanted to know if I had any photographs or evidence.
	Wanted to know who exactly I'd spoken to.
	I felt quite intimidated by the way that I was questioned.
	And so I didn't want to speak to anybody after that.
	And I didn't until Swansea UFO Network got involved.
	And then I almost felt compelled to come forward to tell what I saw.
	It's my duty as a human being to tell everyone what I saw.
	It's a burden and I'm compelled to do it because it's changed everything for me.
	Everything.
	So, of course, the inevitable question.
	Have you had any sightings or Incidents happen since then?
	Have you had visitations?
	Sorry, visitations.
	Have you seen beings?
	Et cetera, et cetera.
	You know, the whole gamut.
	Anything since then?
	To be honest with you, I've been a bit afraid to go out there on my own.
	But a few days after the event, we did have some very strange people come and set up camp in the fields where this UFO came down.
	And they gave the local residents three different Stories as to who they were and what they were doing.
	The first, that they were some fracking survey team.
	Seriously.
	The second, that they were doing a military exercise in case of an emergency situation.
	And lastly, that they were Vodafone.
	Well, that kind of piqued my curiosity a little bit.
	So when my friend Steve came over and I said about these people at the back, because as a resident, I wasn't told there were going to be people camped there.
	And it was a little unnerving that we didn't know who these people were.
	So I took my little dog and me, you know, under the pretense of taking the dog for a walk.
	And Steve and I walked over to the gate.
	And as we got there and went through, there were two soldiers dressed in full digital camos walking towards us along the trail.
	A very middle-class officer type had said, If you see any funny business going on down in the fields, we're just doing a military exercise.
	My little dog had jumped up at the second soldier and he bent down to stroke her and as he did, the jacket that he had under his arm fell open and there was a gun that did not have a yellow cap in the end of it.
	It looked like a submachine gun of some kind.
	Steve was shocked.
	This gun looked brand new, pristine.
	There wasn't a mark on it.
	And when the other soldier turned round, he too had an identical weapon with just a stock sticking out from under his arm.
	They carried on walking.
	I said, oh, you need guns for that, do you?
	And they said, well, yeah, you know, we do.
	But it didn't.
	It looked to me like they were carrying live rounds and not blanks.
	And when was this exactly?
	This was just a few days after the main event, after the UFO came down, back in 2016.
	Steve and I walked around into the campsite, into their campsite, and initially we took a wide berth around the field, and I got a bit fed up.
	I wanted to get a closer look.
	So we cut across the field, and a big dog came charging out of one of the tents towards us.
	And I said to Steve, pick up my little dog, so...
	She didn't get attacked.
	She's only little.
	Excuse me.
	I've got a terrible cough and cold at the moment.
	I shouted at the two men that I could see in camp.
	Oh, you're no country boys, are you?
	This is lamb in season.
	Put your dog on a lead, you know.
	And I got an answer, so I went marching straight up through the middle of their camp to get a closer look.
	And that's exactly what I did.
	And when I got to the end tent, there was a One man seated about 60 years old, gold-rimmed half-moon glasses, silver hair, military clothing, and a man standing that now retrieved his dog.
	And he asked me who I was, and I said I was a resident.
	And I asked them who they were, and they told me Vodafone.
	So within 10 minutes, I'd been told two different stories as to who these people were.
	The guy who was seated had some very large...
	It looked like a laptop but it wasn't a laptop.
	It was like in a case quite thick and he used two hands to close it.
	It was quite a chunky piece of machinery.
	I don't know what it was but he didn't say anything either.
	Steve and I decided we'd go over and we'd sky watch that night to see what was going on and Steve brought his camera out and we did go over and that's when I got to meet their commanding officer.
	So Vodafone have a commanding officer and they carry guns, apparently.
	And did they have an issue with you doing a Skywatch at that point?
	Absolutely.
	They were very uncomfortable.
	The tour guy that I'd spoken to earlier that day that had the dog had seen us and he was putting out night lights and had lit a fire in a barrel and he noticed us.
	He came over to see what we were doing.
	So we said we were skywatching.
	And were they there because of the UFO that came down?
	Well, he said they weren't, but he didn't ask any questions about it either.
	And I felt that was strange because a normal person would, you know.
	So I asked him what they were doing, wearing forensic suits on their hands and knees.
	Doing a fingertip search of the fields.
	So he told me they were looking for mock mines.
	So I said, you often send civilians to look for mines because it's a sure way to find them in a paper suit, you know.
	But anyway, later, the rest of the campers came back in their jeeps, if that's what they were, campers.
	And he let them in and he went back to camp with them.
	And he came back to ask us if we'd be there for long.
	And I said, we'd be there as long as the sky was clear.
	So with that, he said he'd have to go and get this commanding officer.
	So I said, great, go and get him.
	I'd love to meet your commanding officer.
	So he did.
	He went and got this very angry man that didn't want us there at all, asking us if we have permission to be there.
	I said we didn't need permission to be there.
	He said, well, you know, this is private property.
	I said, no, that's a public footpath.
	And so he pointed to the public footpath and he got quite animated about it.
	You know, that's a public footpath.
	And I said, yeah, that's like 12 feet away.
	The only thing the Country Code desires me to do is take my rubbish home, you know.
	So he got quite irate.
	And I do believe I had a little bit of post-traumatic, so I won't say what I said to him next.
	But there were a few loud words, shall we say.
	But needless to say, he left without saying anything else and left us there.
	So we only left because it started to rain.
	Okay, now how many days were they there?
	About a week.
	All right.
	And they had three of those laptop devices, aerial masks, they had satellite dishes, they had ground penetrating radar, they were doing fingertip searches in the fields where this UFO came down.
	Wearing forensic suits, white paper forensic suits.
	We weren't given any explanation and they were really strange in their behavior.
	For example, if you walk past them and they were working in the fields, they would stop what they were doing and just watch you until you were out of sight, like some spooky 60s cult movie.
	Really.
	And then when you were gone, then they'd carry on with what they were doing.
	But this went on day and night for about a week.
	So I don't know.
	No one seems to know who these people were.
	Okay.
	So in your situation, though, you said you were physically also affected by...
	I guess what you're saying is either you're missing time experience and or...
	The green orb that...
	And, you know, this is actually...
	I didn't know the show was going to last so long, but I don't want to keep you too long.
	And, you know, it's a fascinating story.
	And obviously, there's so many details to ask you about.
	But...
	Just, you know, so I won't keep you.
	I just want to tell you, obviously, you know, you have a cough, etc.
	But I do want to know a couple of things.
	You said you had physical effects from the green light or what you thought was the green light and or your missing time.
	And I wondered if Dave also had physical effects.
	Yes, he has.
	Okay.
	And can you describe those physical effects?
	He has anxiety, post-traumatic stress.
	And a heart problem that you didn't have before.
	And you have what?
	Well, it's stripped all the vitamin D and the folic acid out of my blood, which has had other knock-on effects that they now think I have Crohn's or IBD, which is irritable bowel disease, the sister of Crohn's.
	Crohn's is normally something that you get when you're younger.
	But also my electrodermal wave, It's now constant and unchanging, which is abnormal.
	And so I have a signal inside of me, and that only came out when I did the polygraph.
	I didn't know about it before then.
	Well, how did it come out during the polygraph?
	It's one of the things that you're wired up for, I suppose, with this new type of polygraph that they've got.
	So they gave you a polygraph.
	They didn't say, do you have electro-durnal, whatever this is.
	They just said, oh, you, I mean, how did you find out about it?
	My examiner told me after the test.
	Now, I've asked you, sorry, go ahead.
	I've never seen anything like it before.
	So much so that they actually rewound the test for me to see this signal.
	It didn't interfere with the test because it was there clearly to see whether or not I was being honest, which I was.
	But it is one of the things that you're tested for during a polygraph examination.
	And I had this electrodermal wave activity that is abnormal, constant and changing signal, which nearly killed me.
	Why did it nearly kill you?
	Okay.
	Your natural dermal wave is how your body cells communicate.
	A bit like radio waves and transmitters.
	And your nervous system is split into two halves.
	So you have your sympathetic nerves where you can feel things and your parasympathetic nerves that run your internal organs.
	Like, you don't have to think about your kidney function or your liver function or your heart.
	This new electrodermal wave, this new signal that's been pushed through my body, for all of my other organs, it must have been pretty straightforward.
	But for my heart, for my lungs, the change nearly killed me.
	New Year's Eve, my heart slowed down, right, right down.
	And all my veins and arteries opened and I basically nearly suffocated to death.
	And that was recently?
	In what year?
	On New Year's Eve?
	That was the end of 2016.
	Oh, at the same year when this happened.
	Yeah.
	Okay, now...
	I had asked you whether you had any visitations, you know, experienced paranormal.
	What I was talking about was paranormal.
	Also, maybe even through dreams.
	Since this event happened, have you had anything like that where you've seen beings, I meant in your house, in your vicinity, you know, has your ability to see or perceive paranormal events?
	When you walk by a light, does it turn off?
	Or do things turn on?
	Any of these kinds of things?
	I've seen orbs, colours.
	I'm super sensitive to everything now.
	I'll give you some really stupid examples.
	Because of this vitamin D deficiency that's been stripped out of my blood, my doctor tried to put me on a vitamin D supplement.
	And if I'm out in sunlight, I have to wear a sunblock on my lips to stop me from getting cold source.
	But if I take a bit of a D supplement, it gives me cold source, so I can't take it.
	Again, with the folic acid, they had to give me folate, also folic acid or folate.
	And I'm allergic to the coating on the tablets.
	I now suffer with anaphylactic shock, which I never had before.
	And I do sense things from people, and I can't put that into words.
	For example, the military man I knew was a military man, and I knew that he'd seen it before.
	Okay, so would you say you're more psychic?
	Sensitive, I'd say, rather than psychic.
	I have had Visions or dreams?
	Dreams that I can remember in detail.
	I don't know how significant they are.
	Perhaps that would be another show, Kat.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, just if I can just get sort of a more of a yes or no answer.
	Did you ever see or think or even during this experience, subsequent to the experience, Have a sense of the beings that were in, you know, driving the craft, so to speak.
	Did you have a thought about that?
	It was something that Linda asked me that, if I had any spoken words or messages or hieroglyphs or binary code.
	And initially I said no because I hadn't really given it any thought.
	But I did.
	I took away, if this is a message, an overwhelming need to tell Tell people what I saw.
	Tell the world what I saw there, what I witnessed there.
	And even if I were the only witness, which thankfully I'm not, would it make what I have to say any less true?
	Point is, I saw it and the lie detector proves I told the truth.
	I hope one day they will come forward and cooperate Everything that I've told you today and more because he saw an awful lot more than I did.
	And I think perhaps because he was a lot closer to it than I was, I had to call him back from the field to stand with me because I didn't want to be on my own and then they came to us, you know.
	Right.
	Okay, well, we can wrap this up now because, you know, I've kept you long enough.
	It's really been fascinating and I want to thank you both very much.
	What I'd like to say is, you know, you're welcome to come back on the show.
	Anything occurs to you that you think is pertinent, we can explore other avenues.
	Have you ever tried to get yourself regressed?
	I would love to get myself regressed.
	But I'm yet to find anyone that could do it successfully.
	Okay.
	So if you know anyone, okay, give me a shout.
	All right.
	Okay, we'll do that.
	So just at this moment, would you like just a parting statement from Gary and then a parting statement from Kaz?
	Okay, yeah.
	I'll just say if anybody wants to look at more information than what we've been able to talk about tonight, they can go to the Swansea Web Forward Network site, soupon.co.uk.
	I think that's correct.
	There's also a link to the website where all the information, more or less all the information we've gathered on the Pentark incident is there as well.
	I would just like to say that we didn't really get a chance to cover much of this, but The military timeline as well, how they came from the north of England and Scotland way, down south to Wales, the South Wales area.
	I mean, they spent nearly a week practicing in exercise chameleon and everything else.
	So basically, when I look at what's happened, it just doesn't look like an exercise when you study it very closely.
	It seems more like a premeditated maneuver, an ambush, if you will, to basically...
	Capture or intercept whatever this thing was.
	So that's basically all I'm saying.
	If anyone knows any more information, please get in contact.
	Okay.
	Let me just say that you're welcome to come back on the show.
	We can cover anything that's been missed here and simply do another show.
	If there's enough there for, you know, for another hour or two, happy to do it.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	I think we just touched the surface, really.
	Alright, and then Cass?
	To everyone listening, I don't ask anyone to believe me.
	I really don't.
	What I do ask is that they take the information that I've given them today and to investigate it for themselves.
	Because what they will find is a military exercise.
	It's always the cover story, but it's never the answer.
	And I believe there's enough physical evidence To prove what I've said is true.
	My lie detector is there on the internet for everyone to see.
	I want the world to know this was real.
	And I swear it on the Holy Bible itself.
	You know, I wouldn't have come forward at all if this was just a little shit.
	This was something else from somewhere else.
	Thanks, Kerry.
	Excellent.
	All right.
	Thank you so much.
	We'll do this again.
	And please do stay in touch.
	Please do stay in touch.
	Thank you.
	All right.
	Okay, take care.
	All right.
	So, fascinating story.
	You know, really quite involved.
	And certainly evidence that the military is highly involved in dealing with craft from other dimensions.
	And this is something, of course, Camelot is very familiar with.
	But It's great to have, you know, eyewitnesses as well as to hear a story that has some, you know, documentary evidence, so to speak, in this EMF and various, you know, witnesses.
	And it was such a large sort of experience with military and so and so forth that you don't get that many sort of incidents in which you get quite a great kind of Rich.
	It's quite a rich story.
	So thanks for listening and watching and we'll be back.
	I've got some very interesting stories coming up and possible shows as well.
	So we're going to see whether or not they'll be in the very near future in the next few days or next week.
	So thanks for watching again and take care.

▲