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Feb. 21, 2018 - Project Camelot
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KEN COUSENS: COMMUNITY, CRYPTOS & BABYLONIAN DEBT MAGICK SYSTEM
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Thank you.
Thank you.
He's going to be a very interesting guest and we're going to be talking about the Debt magic system and the cryptocurrencies as well as a community that he started.
And so I'm going to read you a short bio and bring him on the screen here just briefly.
So stand by for that.
And Ken, why don't you say hello to everyone and pronounce your last name if I said it wrong.
Hi, everybody.
Yes, you did it fine.
Cousins.
Okay.
Okay.
Very good.
Okay, so we have a bio on my website.
It's rather extensive, so I'm only going to highlight some of the things here.
Basically, Kenneth Scott co-founded Pantera de Oro Private Society and Private Contract Association in 2001 with his wife, Andrea, for the purpose of This is intended to develop a true comprehensive understanding
of the reality that we are in and provide real and practical tools for self-transformation leading to global transformation And it looks like Ken has a background in the areas of law, money, history, monetary mechanics, and this is around 28 years worth.
And he also has studied esoteric knowledge for 60 years.
He has an integrated understanding of how esoteric underlines and controls and directs the visible world system and how It is an essential requirement in order to understand and change the world system.
And from there, we're actually going to just hop over to have Ken Augman this a little bit more here.
See if I can get him front and center.
So there you are.
So, Ken, why don't you talk a little bit about your background?
Actually, perhaps something that stimulated you to go down this road in the first place.
Okay, very good.
And by the way, Carrie, I can't see your video.
That's true, but you will shortly.
Okay, very good.
Okay.
Well, I would say, and I always do, that what started me on this path was very soon after I entered this world.
By the age of five or six, I had for a young person an awareness of the world around me as something that I found rather disjointed or disquieting and I inherently knew that there was something amiss in this world.
I have always had a passion to learn how the world works and to understand why I felt the way that I just described.
So I've been studying things since a very young age and in a wide range.
I'm a voracious reader and studier and I have always explored this world.
In the late 80s, I began to have an interest or focus going into law.
Originally, I was studying the IRS code and the tax system.
And that led me on a path that basically has been going on for 28 years.
And I started meeting people in the early 90s.
It was actually very few and far between.
It's not like it is today.
We didn't have the internet.
And it was very difficult to find people who were doing this kind of work.
We literally had to travel hundreds and thousands of miles to find one person who had some knowledge or information that I was interested in.
And that's basically what I set out to do in the early 90s.
I found that the study of law galvanized all of the interests I had, essentially to know how this world worked, why it was so dysfunctional, and how using the knowledge that I was gaining about how the world worked We could apply that to seek practical solutions.
And that's been the driving passion for myself and when I met Andrea in 1992, which was practical solutions.
How can we apply understanding of this world in the areas of those key areas that control our lives?
The legal system, the monetary system, the geopolitical system.
How can we use that to actually create practical solutions?
So in the study of law, I had already had a very keen interest in history.
But I came to understand that if you want to understand law, you must understand history.
And studying law in history leads to the inevitable conclusion that the system that we call money is built on a historical continuum over thousands of years that created a law or legal system That was designed to encapsulate and contain the human population to direct and entrain and control the energy or the life force of the human population and to use it to extract the wealth and the resources of the planet
and have population essentially build its own prison.
And so that is how I define history and law and money is the continuum to create the current world system so that the human population would extract the wealth and build a global prison.
So that's what I set out to do in 1991-92 and it's been about a 27 year process in doing that.
Okay, so can you talk about how you complemented everything with the esoteric understanding?
Because that's key, and I see that it really informs everything else you do.
So perhaps you could talk a little bit about how you went down that road.
Good.
Very good question.
Long before I got into law history and money, at a very early age, I had a very innate passion and interest in the mystical, the metaphysical, and the esoteric.
So I've been studying that area since I was probably five or six years old, close to 60 years.
And initially, it was more The mystical and the metaphysical.
I was looking for something out there.
I was looking up into the sky at night.
I was looking for answers.
I was actually looking for relief.
How could I get out of here?
I think many people can relate to that, that sense of this place is not fun, it's not happy, it is not conducive to life, it doesn't feel good.
I want out of here.
So my early years in the esoteric and the metaphysical was looking outside, looking for that other level, other dimension of Relief from a very dysfunctional reality as we, many of you, I'm sure most or all of the people watching have a similar experience or can relate to that point.
It was once I started grounding myself into the world system and I started looking with that knowledge that I had gained over 30-35 years of that kind of study, looking at law, looking at history, looking at the money mechanics of how the world system is constructed, That very readily I began to see what in the esoteric sense of things is referred to as hidden in plain sight.
For the secret societies and esoteric systems and schools, that is a maxim that controls those studies and the applications of that knowledge.
Hidden in plain sight.
The answer to why it is hidden in plain sight is very important.
We'll leave that for a little bit later in the discussion.
But the point is that the political system, the geopolitical system, the legal system and the system of law, the construction of money as a system to bond and entrain, dominate, and control the world population is fundamentally built on the esoteric.
Esoteric means hidden, but it is also hidden in plain sight.
And so the initiates of the secret societies and the schools going back thousands of years are taught how to see what is hidden in plain sight and how to utilize it as a means of systematic control of the world population.
Let me ask you, if you were ever a member of a secret society, in other words, what stimulated you?
Other than intellectually, did you have any kind of, you might say, inciting incident in your life?
No.
Nothing that sort of stands out that really made you say, wait a minute, there's a hidden side to this.
No, it wasn't family.
I had a very normal childhood, relatively speaking, a normal, you know, middle class, Western.
I grew up in Los Angeles family.
So there was nothing in the family.
When you studied law, did you, you know, become a lawyer?
In other words, are you a lawyer by profession at this time, or you just studied law?
Yeah.
Well, it depends how you define a lawyer.
On the private side of things, you can define a lawyer as a man or a woman who is learned in the law.
So I'm definitely a lawyer.
I'm definitely learned in the law.
But there's a distinction between a lawyer or one learned in the law and an attorney who takes a bar or an oath at the bar within the Attorney Bar Association system.
So I never did anything like that.
I never studied law at law school.
It's all been self-directed and in participation with the other people met along the way.
But back to the question of what stimulated me in terms of the esoteric, it just was an innate passion.
I had from a very early age.
I literally could say I came into this life with a drive to learn the world system and to understand it and to utilize that knowledge to transform myself and to work with other people to assist them in self transformation.
That spiritual or metaphysical foundation that I have It has always influenced the direction or the focus of this work in the world.
And it's really a matter of blending and balancing it.
Many people study law and the physical world and the mechanics of the banking system and so forth, but are not necessarily directed by an inner pathway of self-transformation or spiritual passion and things like that.
Conversely, many people study spiritual past, metaphysical past.
Or traditional religious paths and they want to withdraw from the world.
They don't want to know about the world systems.
But to really understand the world system, you have to understand the other side.
And so My experience and my path, my process and my education has given me a great advantage in being able to see both sides.
And so I can literally say that I have stood in and walked in two worlds and it's a matter of integrating and bringing those two worlds together because our capacity and our power to transform both ourselves and the world It comes from what you would call the unseen or the esoteric.
But when we talk about secret societies and esoteric systems, what we're really talking about is symbology, numerology, numerics, alphanumerics, imagery, architecture, things like that.
Because we live in an integrated whole system.
And the esoteric systems teach the elite and those practitioners how to use the whole system by understanding the energetics and the geomancy and the things like that to literally control both sides of the equation.
That's why the Masonic temples and other temples like Westminster Abbey and places like that, places of power that are placed on specific locations on the planet, why they have a checkerboard floor.
The reason for that is to play both sides, understand both sides, to see both sides, rise above the initiatory rights and the rising into this level of elitism is a path of being able to see both sides and to split the consciousness or the awareness of the population So that they don't see both sides, so that they can be divided and conquered.
They can use what I have coined the phrase, the enemy construct, to entrain people to polarize on many, many fronts, whether it's political, racial, theological, ideological, or whatever.
If we look at the world today, we can readily see That divide and conquer and polarity and the projection of the enemy outside of oneself is the primary means of control.
And so understanding that and understanding how that works and is literally wired into the legal and the monetary system gives us the ability to integrate that and to use it to direct our lives in the way we want to direct them.
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So at this moment, in terms of your I'm not sure what to call it, whether your study or discipline or whatever, when you apply this model to the monetary system and bringing in the esoteric and what you're calling, I think we got the phrase from your website, you're calling it the debt...
The monetary debt magic system, I think you coined it.
And so do you want to explain that phrase and how magic and the use of magic by, because we, this is a common knowledge to my audience.
These are things we cover.
But I was interested to see that you obviously go down this road and to see what your angle is on it.
And if you can talk about how you approach it.
Okay, very good.
Well, it goes back to that phrase, hidden in plain sight.
When I said earlier, what is the reason why, if we ask ourselves the question, Well, let me digress a minute and say that in studying all of this, one of the things that I came to the very clear understanding of was that it was an absolute mandate and an imperative that those who created these systems were required to hide everything in plain sight.
Now that doesn't mean it's self-evident and readily accessible that you can pick up one book or look in one place and there it is.
It is fragmented throughout the world holographic reality that we exist in.
So you have to have eyes to see, to understand.
You have to have the decoder ring or the master puzzling capacity to see those fragmented pieces as they are hidden in plain sight.
So what is the real purpose of that?
The purpose is who is actually creating this reality?
Is it those external factors, whether you say extraterrestrial beings, multidimensional beings, the types of subjects that you explore with all of your guests and your audience I'm sure is very familiar with, are they the ones controlling and creating this reality?
Or are they actually in a diminished Capacity to actually create and they rely on us as a real capacity, the real power to create this reality.
For me, the answer is the latter.
We are the creators.
But we have been fragmented ourselves in our own being.
And so we don't have the eyes to see that hidden in plain sight aspect of what I've been describing.
But we do see it at a certain quantum level in our being.
So we take it in and we are Entrained through mind control, mass media, all the things that you're all familiar with.
And we're entrained so that that creator capacity, that power and authority that we have to create our own reality To continually reinforce, to create this control matrix, the prison that we are in.
As I described, that law, money, and history is an entrainment or a continuum to bring the human population to create its own prison.
But we continue to reinforce it.
One of the major ways that we reinforce it is because we live in a free will universe.
And so everything that actually attaches us to what we could call Babylonian debt magic or money magic is a voluntary consent.
There is a continuum or a continual basis that is ever present, whether you're talking about when we go to the bank We interact with the banking and the money system, whether we're brought into courts or whether we have to deal with governmental agencies,
whether they're tax agencies or otherwise, that we are continually contracting and re-contracting and consenting and allowing them to proceed on a presumption of consent that we have volunteered to be in the impaired position that we are.
So, what we teach in the Pantera Society and our Gemstone University for our members is how to recognize us, how to see the pieces of the puzzle, how to see what's hidden in plain sight.
And it's everywhere.
Like I said, it's in the architecture, it's in the literature, it's in the media, it's continually reinforcing We take it in and it's like we bring it down into our subconscious, unconscious level where our creator capacity has been entrained to continually reinforce We exist in.
And the key is voluntary consent because in a free will universe as a basis of not only what you call planetary law but universal law and galactic law is that a free will being has the ultimate sovereign capacity and power To contract.
Contract is an agreement to do something.
Contract creates law.
The basis and the building block of law is contract.
Whether it's between two people or an entire nation of 300 million or a billion people or a planetary system of seven or eight billion people.
We have contracted and agreed to give over our power and authority To that system that we keep reinforcing on a continual basis.
Okay.
So in terms of what you're sort of seeing in the world, can you apply this to the monetary changes that are going on right now and also begin to wrap the cryptocurrency angle, artificial intelligence, into your sort of description of what's going on?
Sure.
Okay.
Let's just say we could rise above a continuum of time, as if time, as we perceive it, is past, present, and future.
In the distant past, we as individual beings and a collective body came into time, say from another position in existence or reality.
We came into the continuum of time In this planetary reality.
When we did, we had intact what I just described, the ability to create.
That we didn't have it externalized where there was something outside of us that we had to depend on or be doled out to us for creation.
Today we have that, what I just described.
The dependency for us to create, the dependency on the money system is almost absolute by design.
So if I want to build a house because I don't have one, what do I need?
I need money.
So going back in time, there's a long progression of our Abdicating that capacity and that power.
At a certain point, putting that power of creation into something we call the money system.
Along the way, certain things became symbolized for creative capacity.
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Okay, so what was the original, from our point of view here, and this is time in history, what was the original projection of a monetary unit?
It was gold and silver.
We always talk about, well, there's fiat currency now, but if we could only get back to a gold standard or that intrinsically established value of gold, Because it too has been hardwired into our consciousness and literally into our DNA. And so at that point in time in history,
a gold coin could buy you dinner, could pay for a house if you had a few of them, or whatever you needed.
In the history of the last three or four hundred years, let's say in the United States history going to 1780s, the Constitution established gold and silver as lawful money.
And so the kind of money system we have today did not exist.
The continuum or the progression of the money system from the 1780s through the 1800s into the 1930s Retained gold and silver as lawful money.
Then in the 19...
Well, actually in the 1800s, mid to the late 1800s, paper money started circulating.
This actually started in the early 1700s in England with what's called the Negotiable Instruments Act.
A negotiable instrument is the first kind of piece of paper that was used as money instead of gold and silver.
What is a negotiable instrument?
Essentially, the money you have in your pocket or your purse today is a negotiable instrument.
It's a piece of paper you can negotiate forward to give to somebody as a medium of exchange.
You give, you know, five dollars to the store, they give you a loaf of bread.
That's a negotiable instrument.
So progressively, the paper system was introduced.
And between the 1860s, In the 1930s in the United States and worldwide, progressively gold was marginalized and paper was introduced.
From the 1930s into the 1960s, more and more of the implementation of the paper system and the removal of the gold system took place, and then what started, the introduction of the electronic system.
So we started with, you know, Diners Club card and then it moved eventually to Visa and MasterCard and so forth.
Then we went into primarily electronic money.
You know, the internet came on.
We had online banking.
We went from something of substance.
Well, we went from our true greater capacity to something of substance, metals, precious metals that was universally accepted as money, to documentary instruments that represented that gold and silver, then documentary instruments that had the gold and silver removed, and then electronics that represented the paper.
And now we have A cryptocurrency system, which is attempting, if we follow the timeline that's being attempted to be implemented now, it's attempting to fuse our DNA With an AI intelligence that's going to be hardwired literally through chipping and chemtrails,
chemical infusion and nanobots in the body to a purely electronic means of existence in which the AI macro system is controlling the biological as well as the genetic and the multidimensional capacity to create.
So, cryptocurrencies has a dual potentiality.
The human race at this time has a dual potentiality, which means we're at a point of bifurcation.
There are people who are going into, purely, fully into transhumanistic, AI-controlled, cryptocurrency-denominated singularity in which the AI and the human capacity to create and a so-called currency, which is nothing more than electrons moving through the system, are fused into a singularity.
The other path is How do we use where we're at now?
How do we sever the presumptions of consent and attachment that I mentioned earlier that keep us bonded, contractually bonded, to be the source?
It's just like the movie The Matrix.
When Morpheus held up the battery and he said this is the human body, it's the source of energy, I translate that and expand it to say it's actually the source of creation.
We are the conduit as co-creators to actually create this reality.
But we have the Unfettered right to contract.
And so everything in the system is designed to get our voluntary contractual consent that progressively is going to lead us down to that singularity.
So the bifurcation now has to do with whether a A currency, whether it's a cryptocurrency or otherwise, whether a human being or whether an association of humans coming together is contractually bound to that system.
And this is where the knowledge of the law comes in.
What we do in the application of that is what we call status correction.
Correcting the status that keeps us attached to being the batteries, to fuel the matrix, to create the prison, to be fused ultimately in that singularity.
Because the power elite, so-called power elite, the powers that be The multidimensional reality, the AI super enclosure that we find ourselves in, they don't have the power to create.
They have the power to be parasitically attached and to extract our creator capacity, but they don't have the power to create.
They have only one power, which is to use magic, which is sleight of hand or diversionary control or mind control or whatever, to get us to Forget who we are and abdicate our capacity and contractually bind ourselves to that reality.
Okay, well that's a very good sort of clear explanation of what's transpiring at this time.
So you've created a community and I'm assuming this is where you are posing a solution of a sort.
To this sort of quandary.
And I call it angelic human versus robotic Superman.
This is just a phrase that I coined.
So The bottom line is that, you know, what we call the various levels of control and the secret space program being one part of that, and the secret government, the deep state, etc., has basically begun making a choice,
and it's constantly, you know, picking things Choosing things along that road that lead to transhumanism, that lead to linking us up ultimately with the machine, so to speak, in a way of speaking.
What I would wonder now is, do you want to talk about your approach, your community, as a kind of a solution?
Why you landed upon that as being a sort of solution?
Because it doesn't change that individually we can either choose to be part of it or not, although there are some very coercive methods to stop you from sort of Detaching yourself from the hole, if you understand.
In other words, say you don't want to pay your taxes, well then you'd be threatened by going to jail or whatever.
Right.
Well, first we have to lay some foundational points and principles to get to that.
So, in the next In a short while, I'm going to condense my 28 years of research and integration of all of this knowledge, 5,000 years of history, more particularly the last 300 to 400 years, into, let's say, a 10 or 15 minute synopsis.
Okay?
Sure.
That's a feat of magic in and of itself.
But not the bonding Babylonian magic.
To be clear.
Most of us who interact with the realm of business or finance are familiar with what's called a T-graph, which is your standard kind of ledger where you have a T-shape where the vertical line separates right and left and you have a horizontal line That's on the top.
In accounting, you have debits on one side and credits on another.
In a profit and loss statement, you basically have the profit and loss or the equitable And liability profile of a company has to actually come to a zero sum.
In debits and credits, the same thing happens.
If you can visualize a T, on the left side is the negative, the debit.
On the right side is the credit.
They actually, in accounting, in what's called generally accepted accounting principles, they have to come to zero.
It's called a zero-sum ledger.
This is actually how the system works in monetary elements, in accounting, and so forth.
At the same time, that separation on two sides also functions in our reality.
On the one side is the public side.
On the other side is the private.
That's not the same as private, like I'm in my home right now and it's my private space and nobody else is here.
It's more on a legal basis of what's considered public.
For example, we know the phrase, we hear it all the time, public policy.
Public policy, you can go on the internet and do a search for the word public policy, and you will see many, many public policy institutes in Washington, D.C., and many city-states in this country and all over the world.
Public policy is how to manage this body of the public.
This was instituted in 1933 when the United States, as a corporation that was created in the 1870s as an overlay of the original organic constitutional body from the 1780s, that corporation was put into bankruptcy.
At that time, the process of law shifted from what we call substantive law into public policy.
Why was it public policy?
Because now the public was put into a containment field in which the ongoing management of that bankrupt entity, the United States, was going to be maintained in a type of containment field.
And so substantive law was no longer going to be available to the members of the public because the public, as a body, was bankrupt.
And the only way anybody could operate in the public is through what's called a franchise of the entity called the United States.
Some people in law, many people actually, and unfortunately it's a rabbit trail that have gotten people into deep trouble for many, many years.
And some of the most leading minds that I studied with for many, many years went to prison, all because they didn't understand some of the fundamentals of the difference between the public and the private.
In the public, it is controlled by a system of codes, codified civil procedure.
That's public policy.
The point of that is that is all done within a bankrupt system.
And those who didn't understand this referred to that, what I just called a franchise.
As a straw man, as a counter, as a alter ego that stood into this commercial or the civil public body.
But in fact, it's actually a franchise.
It's the same as if you went to McDonald's and you said, I want to own a McDonald's franchise on this corner.
And they say, fine, you have to contract with us.
We will give you the rights to use our logo, our name, our recipes, the design of your building, all of that.
That's the corporate rules to run that franchise.
And if I agree to that, I will sign the contract and I'll accept those terms and conditions.
If I breach those rules of the parent corporation, then I can be fined.
I can lose my right to run that franchise or other kind of penalties.
The same thing exists for us running a franchise of the United States in the public domain.
The Purpose of that franchise is to maintain us in a civil body, a containment field that is perpetually attached to death, an eternal death enslavement.
Because we accepted that contract soon after our birth and as we grew up and once we went into Our own contracting such as getting a driver's license, getting a bank account, doing many many things, having a marriage license, having children with birth certificates, going to medical doctors.
All of those things are done within the confines of operating our franchise within the public body which is actually bankrupt.
It's in perpetual debt.
Our attachment to that franchise is what I have called for a long time being a bonded surety.
Bonded surety means you're bonded to it, you're attached to it.
In monetary terms, if you go to the stock market, you can buy stock, which is equity interest in a corporation, or you can buy bonds, which are debts.
So when I say we're bonded to the franchise, that means we're attached to it as a debt instrument.
Surety means guarantor.
We're the guarantor of everything that's been created as debt in that franchise name, which is a subdivision of that bankrupt corporate parent called the United States.
So in law, that's basically, we would call that a bonded surety to a Bankrupt franchise.
And in law, in the law system where that applies in bankruptcy, a bankrupt has no standing.
When you say you have no standing, you have no true capacity or power to assert a state of claim.
In law, you are controlled by the rules of the franchise just the same as if you contracted with McDonald's to run a corner McDonald's restaurant.
You have to follow their rules.
Those rules are all the codes in the United States that are municipal, county, state, federal, and now really international.
This is why, and you cannot argue with that, You cannot assert that that abrogates my constitutional rights or anything like that because you don't have those in that system.
So this is why when people are out there screaming about, I don't want my children to be vaccinated or I want my rights to drink raw milk or to have access to alternative healing modalities and things like that,
You don't actually have that right because you accepted the benefit and the privilege of operating that franchise in the public system and you have to follow those rules, those 60 or 80 or 100 million codes and statutes that are required to maintain the management and the administration of the bankruptcy or the bankrupt entity called the United States.
Okay, now, let me just stop you there and say, you know, I have interviewed David Wynn Miller, and also one or two other people, and Sean David Morton, I don't know if you know his case, but ended up in jail, because they all try to argue along these lines, from what I understand.
Are you saying that, do you agree with David Wynn Miller?
Are you Disagreeing with him on a point having to do with the franchise nature of this in the public versus private area.
Or are you in agreement?
Are you guys in agreement?
Yeah.
No, I'm not in agreement with him.
Okay.
I've studied his work and many, many others.
And...
See, again, I'm needing to spill this down.
I understand.
No disrespect to anybody who has seriously put themselves out there, as David or Sean or many others have, because I studied with all of them.
Back in looking at this.
And there are a few people who I've been studying with over the last three or four or five years who do now understand this.
So when, see, in your phrasing of what you just said, you said that they argued the point.
Okay.
I use a phrase.
In fact, if you go to the Gemstone University YouTube site, there's a 17-part seminar that I did about four years ago in St.
Louis.
And so you can watch that.
Anybody watching can watch that.
In the opening, my opening statement was, how do you win this game?
And the way you win is you don't play.
Because you see, when I talk about that public body and that franchise and the civil codes and procedures and everything that most people consider the only area of the law, That you are automatically considered several things.
You are an enemy of the state.
You are considered a belligerent combatant.
You are considered an insurgent or a rebel that must be controlled and suppressed.
And you are only allowed to operate in commerce in the public system.
By license.
When you get a driver's license, you accept the license to be a driver in commerce.
Commerce, when I said earlier that there's something called negotiable instruments.
There was an original negotiable instruments act in the early 1700s under Queen Anne in 1705.
And then all the way into the 1800s and the United States passed Negotiable Instruments Acts in the 1880s leading to the 1930s through the 1960s and something was instituted called the Uniform Commercial Code.
That code establishes how commercial paper As negotiable instruments will be created as a debt through the debtor franchises that I've just been describing and what are the attachments in terms of the secured interest against that debtor who I've called a bond to charity.
And the rules that operate with that are basically rules of war.
You know, I could walk you through, but we don't have time.
It's very large.
Remember, we started by talking about the esoteric, hidden in plain sight.
You have to find the pieces and be able to see through time and space how they intersect and converge on an integrated whole picture, which is what I've done my whole life in figuring out.
And now we've integrated that in the Gemstone University curriculum to teach our people how to do the same.
Because There are many acts and statutes and code systems and so forth that create this unified or integrated package.
And so in the late 1800s or starting after the Civil War, during the Civil War through the 70s, 80s and 90s of the 1800s into the 20th century, certain things were put in place to establish this enemy combatant belligerent status.
And that's actually what we're considered.
When you operate a franchise in the United States, it's called a US person or a United States person.
That person is within the jurisdiction of the United States and it is defined as an enemy of the United States.
This goes back to something called the Trading with the Enemy Act.
It was passed in 1917.
And was amended on March 9th of 1933, and it was amended to change who was defined as an enemy.
The enemy was defined as a person subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
So when somebody, when you say that Sean or David or others go into courts and argue, What they're doing is they're engaging on a field of battle, in the field of commercial battle, which is designed to be a field of battle.
They control that.
They are martial beings.
Everything about that control system, what people call the elite and the multidimensional beings and so forth, they're about martial control.
And on March 9, 1933, the United States Corporation was put into bankruptcy, and there was a first act of that Congress, the 73rd Congress of the United States, the very first act called the Emergency Banking Relief Act, that put all control of the monetary system, the currencies, the banking, and everything in the authority and control of the executive, a.k.a.
the president, which is also a.k.a.
the commander in chief of the military.
So we were put in martial law, martial control at that time.
And so from that point forward, if you engage in their field of battle, you have already lost.
The key is changing your status.
This gets to the subject of public versus private.
When I gave you that T-bar and said on the public side, you have death.
You have debits, and it is actually a system of death.
The whole world system is a cult of death.
You can see it in the esoteric.
You can see it in ancient Egypt.
You can see it in the symbology of Washington, D.C., and many, many, many institutions.
They all have symbology and numerics and so forth as a cult of death, because when you're operating in the public, you are considered dead.
And the metaphors are extensive.
You know, we could go through a few examples of that.
But you can sever that attachment.
You can separate from that realm of the dead and you can return to the land of the living.
But you must sever the contracts.
You must rescind and revoke and terminate all the contracts that you have given To create that presumption of consent that you have voluntarily consented to be a bonded surety to a perpetual debt system.
Because as that attached surety You have no choice.
You will inexorably be drawn into that continuum ending in the singularity of the AI and the bonding of our genetic code into a singularity of monetizing our creative capacity into a crypto monetary system that we have no control over.
We have completely We've abdicated our responsibility of creator beings to that system as long as we are that bonded surety.
Okay, so when you're saying that we have the choice and you're saying we can Dissolve those contracts.
Basically, are you talking about becoming sovereign?
Is that the language you use or do you use other language?
Because in doing so, you also Make it very difficult for you to, you know, to live on the planet, really.
It's not just the United States.
It's everywhere.
In other words, let me cut you off there.
Sorry to interrupt, but you hit on the very key point.
Which is what I set out to do when I was a young person, young being.
I don't want to say person because that's a corporate body.
A young being.
That's why I wrote specifically like-minded, like-spirited beings when I wrote the little bio that you posted.
We are living beings.
We're not persons.
A person is an artificial entity.
You go into the U.S. or state, you know, IRS codes and statutes, they will always give you their definitions.
And they define a person as a corporation, as a trust, an association.
They use the word individual, but they define the word individual the same as what I've called the franchise.
It's a fictional construct, that word person.
We're not a person.
We are a living being.
And when I set out to figure all this out, a very key thing was because part of my drive when, you know, you asked about our society, the Pantera Dior Society, we're about work in the world.
We're not about isolating ourselves.
We're not about separating from the world.
We're here to be a force of literal work in the world To institute and create new models, new prototypes, new solutions for the problems that exist in this world.
You can't do that if, as you're saying, well, in order to be quote-unquote sovereign, you have to withdraw from the larger society.
And see, as I came up through my studies and studying with many people in the 90s and the 2000s and so forth, Many people were using that word sovereign.
I'm a sovereign.
I'm going to be a sovereign.
And then later it became I'm a secured party predator, which is another dead end rabbit trail.
But these are all terms that have hooks in them.
And I knew and still know many people say, well, I'm a sovereign.
I don't pay taxes.
I don't do anything in the world that attaches me to it.
But they have no life.
They have no lifestyle.
They just subsist and beat up cars and living off of some situation.
They have no ability to interact with the world.
So when I say we Integrate all of this with complete solutions.
We have a complete solution to deal with your status, but also to be able to be fully in the world.
So the phrase, be in the world but not of it, we could translate that or transliterate it to say, be able to operate within the matrix, but not be attached or bonded to it.
And so there are solutions, I think, beyond the scope of this conversation to go into that, but that's what we teach ourselves and each other within our private society.
And so the word sovereign is a misdirection.
In the world of law and nations, the sovereign is who holds authority.
It used to be the king or the queen, the monarch.
Right now there's only really one or two, really one sovereign that splits itself in three.
It's a tripartite A city-state construct called the Vatican City, City of London, Washington, D.C. Triumvirate.
If you look at the flag of Washington, D.C., it has two bars, two red bars and three red stars.
Those three stars represent those three states.
Vatican, London, DC. And the two bars represent the way to control the world population.
And the way to control the population is through two constructs, the construct of law and the construct of land.
Originally, historically, in ancient times, The king held the land.
It was called the line of the king.
It was one of the pillars, the two pillars that would flank the entrance of every temple.
And that's talked about in the book of Genesis as the pillars of Joachim and Boaz.
It's in the Masonic system and it's in architecture everywhere.
Those represented the line of the king and the line of the priest.
The king is the absolute controller of all the law, and the priest is the controller of all the land and the priest of the law.
The law is designed to bind the people, to control them, to lift them off the land.
Because our relationship with the land is the same as our relationship with the planet.
We're here to co-create with the presence of the planet and all that the planet holds as a living being, that we are here co-creatively to do that.
But this, you know, This matrix, this arconic grid, all of that stuff that you have studied extensively has all been synthesized and distilled down to the legal, monetary, and monarchical system to contain the population in that public, civil, bondage, surety, status body.
We are landless peasants and we are serfs under the control of the king who controls all the land.
Now that king now It's the crown of England, which is not the crown that the Queen wears.
It's a crown corporation in the city of London, because there is only one corporation in this world, and it's called the crown.
And that's part of the triple crown that the Vatican and the papacy instituted about 700 years ago.
In a declaration in a papal bull that said that the papacy has the absolute divine authority to own all the land and all the flesh and all the souls of this world.
And so the esoteric system that we talked about and are continuing to talk about It's designed to create a global holographic construct in which that is realized so that we are lifted off the land and we are bound and bonded to a system of legalism that is not substantive law.
It's not true planetary law.
It's not galactic or universal law.
And we can return to true law.
But we have to sever ourselves.
And so I do not use the word sovereign.
I use the word solvent.
Because as a solvent, you're not bankrupt.
How can you be solvent?
You're solvent by disconnecting, severing that bond and surety status to a bankrupt franchise.
And that can be done, and this is what I figured out in my studies with a lot of help from a lot of people, because it can't be done alone.
It's not a singular focus.
I have a capacity to really bring pieces together and integrate it, but it's a mutual Co-creation that we have now integrated into a private society.
And so, solvency is what you want.
Not to be bonded in debt.
And this goes beyond this lifetime.
You know, the reincarnational loop of continually being, you know, Grabbed and attached after death of the body and reincarnated back into the same wheel of karma.
It's more of a multidimensional karmic death.
And so we're at that point where we are dissolving them.
We're claiming our true, equitable interest and bringing that into manifestation.
And with that, we can completely transform this world.
Okay, well, that sounds very ambitious and I appreciate...
What else are you going to do?
Go to the movies?
Well, absolutely.
So, at the moment, you're saying that your society is sort of, if you want to call it, whatever you want to call the group that you're putting together.
So, what exactly do, like, can you give people some examples of exactly what do they do?
Do they not have driver's licenses?
Do they...
I mean, how don't they get arrested?
And so on and so forth.
Do they have to go to school or university in order to learn how to behave in such a way that they don't get arrested?
Or if they get arrested, what they say in those cases, etc.
In other words, can you talk about maybe the more practical side of it and how What is this society?
You're not retreating from, I don't know, from the greater whole.
So do you own land?
Do you, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
Yeah.
Very good questions.
Let's go back to that separation of public versus private.
Okay.
Most uniquely in America, in this country called the United States of America, we have the capacity to, different than anybody else in the world, although we can modify those conditions and assist others outside of this country.
But focusing on the United States, There's many early court cases, Supreme Court cases, that did refer to the people as the sovereignty.
But it's not the same as a monarch or a king or a queen sitting on the throne as the sovereign, which was disconnected from in the war and in the Constitution and so forth.
Although, keep in mind, everything in history is a lie.
There are layers of what's presented on the superficial level that are very different underneath, and that's too what we study.
But to answer your question, We have here in the United States the capacity to truly gain a private status, that we can be what we call a private American.
And also, the state is actually, in the system we have today, the federal is the top of the hierarchy.
But the original structure of this country was the states had supremacy over the federal.
They came together and they contracted with this entity called the United States of America, By the Constitution and they created the federal government.
So we have the capacity to return to that private status.
We do have the capacity to get back on the land, to claim the land and to re-establish our standing on the land.
And so that is That's an individual process, in the true sense of the word individual.
As an individual being, I have the full right to rescind any signatures that I inadvertently, by mistake or ignorance, place on the contracts that bound me to that public bankrupt corporate system.
I can revoke the powers of attorney and otherwise that were part of those contractual relationships and or I can terminate those contracts.
That's all part of an individual process to correct one's status from the public persona as a bondage surety to being a private man, living being, standing on the land with full lawful standing and equitable Right.
Equity is a whole other subject we probably won't get into tonight, but it's something that has been obfuscated and hidden from us during this period that I've talked about from the 1860s on.
And when you're a bankrupt, you have no ability to claim your equity.
But once you correct your status, you can claim your equity.
There's a vast amount of equitable interest that has been piled up In our underlying estate that exists from the time we're born until the time we die, but we don't have access to.
That gets into trust law, estate law, and things like that that I wrote in the bio that you posted.
Too far beyond, well beyond the scope of our conversation tonight.
Okay, but again, my question being kind of practical.
Right, I understand.
I'm leading to that.
Okay.
I understand I talk kind of in a broader...
Yeah, I appreciate that, you know, just for the purposes of sort of expediting this discussion.
Sure, I understand.
Because I know that people listening are going to want to hear about the practical side because we've heard a lot of the language, you know, From other people who you say you disagree with perhaps with the way they handled it or the way they looked at it and the way they went into the courtroom over it.
But nonetheless, I think, you know, just in terms of the audience, I think that they would want to hear Like you say, you have a worldwide organization and you could say how many members, I don't know how many, but what exactly are they doing not to be arrested, you know, for not having a driver's license and these other kind of documents, et cetera, et cetera?
Yeah.
Well, first of all, well, Hold that thought because I was leading to describing what a society is, which was part of your question.
In the world system, actually, All the primary institutions you're familiar with are actually societies.
You look at the Church of Rome, the Catholic Church, it refers to itself as a society.
The Jesuits refer to themselves as the Society of Jesus.
If you look at a work that came out in the 1760s, It's called the Law of Nations, which our country was basically founded on many points of that.
It describes that a nation is a society of men, of course it didn't refer to women at that time, society of men who come together for a like purpose.
If you go back to the city of London in the 1500s, societies were being formed and the basis in English law of what is society was, was very much paramount above Virtually every other construct.
So the United States of America is a society.
It's like why Lyndon Johnson referred to the Great Society.
But we have the authority and the right to create our own private societies.
When we use the word private, it means we're not incorporated.
We don't go into the Secretary of State of California or Nevada or anywhere else and say, we want to register our society.
Most people think in terms of, oh, you want to create a foundation or a charitable institution or a church.
Well, you go and form a corporation.
Then you get a right to be tax exempt with a 501c3 status.
But you have registered your entity.
To register something means you put it on the royal registry because the word regis means royal.
This goes back to the crown.
So you are controlled when you incorporate and you register something.
What do we do every day, all day long?
We register this.
We ask permission for that.
We incorporate that.
We certify things.
We register our children when they're born.
We register our companies when they're born.
When they're born, when they're created.
And so all of that is putting yourself into that public side of things.
You don't have to.
You can create an unincorporated entity as a private society.
So the function of a private society can be utilized for any of those things I mentioned.
You can have a A church.
You can have a charitable organization.
You can have a project-driven organization.
You can have a private association of people for a specific purpose.
Whatever that may be, you can create a society for that purpose.
And it's a decentralized form of people coming together in mutual support, respect, and benefit where they're like-minded or like-intended or like-spirited.
So, Pantera utilizes that knowledge in that application.
It formed itself as a society 16 years ago, and a private society has full authority to have its own law form, its own form of governance, its own governing body, its own court, its own treasury.
All those things of self-governing bodies can be created as a society.
Now, It's too complex to go into, but you have to learn how to interface, again, how to be in the matrix but not of it.
You can utilize an integrated, multifaceted structure to interact with the public system.
And as long as you understand how jurisdiction works, if you look at what is written, what I wrote in my bio, I said that understanding the state and trust That law and jurisdiction was paramount to being able to navigate in this world.
Now, they sound very complex.
Many people are put up by saying, I don't want to study law and all of that.
But really, you have no choice, in a sense.
To understand who you are, where you are in this world, you are in a matrix, and that matrix It binds you relative to the systems of law.
You have a choice to stay bound to the matrix or you have a choice to separate from that and create your own self-governing private societies.
So that's what we teach, that's what we do within the Pantera Society and within Gemstone University.
That's a collective organization.
Now, the individual steps have to do with status correction.
That gets to your questions about how do you deal with things like interacting with the system?
How do you deal with taxes?
How do you deal with traveling in a car and things like that?
A lot of detail that we can't get into.
This is why we created Gemstone University, because there is so much detail.
Right.
But to distill it down, We follow the law across the board.
We make mistakes.
We teach people how to recognize their mistakes and how to correct them.
We're not tax protesters.
We don't say the United States does not have the authority to tax its persons or its citizens.
It totally does, based on the contractual relationships that everyone has, or most everyone, through that franchise structure that I've talked about.
So, in the IRS code, it has a phrase that's used many, many times.
It says, a person liable to pay.
Remember, a person is not a living being.
It's a legal fiction.
So, the United States and the IRS can only deal with persons, not living beings.
But a living being who has agreed to be the surety to the debt or the tax liability becomes the same thing in the eyes of that system and hence becomes a person liable to pay.
When you understand how it works, you can If you go into the matrix to process things or operate within commercial activities, if a tax liability is corrected, you come to know how to settle that tax liability.
We don't say they don't have the authority.
We just know how to do it in a different manner.
Same with driving.
When you apply to be a driver, You are saying, I am a U.S. person that is in commerce, that's bound and assuredly secured against the public debt, and I'm going to Follow all the rules.
I'm going to follow the rules of the road.
And if I abrogate those rules, I'm going to get a citation, which is a commercial instrument, which I have to pay the fine because everything on the public side is the debt or the fine or even the imprisonment.
But when you're on the Private side, you have the ability not to have to be drawn into their court system.
You can actually say, no, thank you.
I don't accept your invitation to participate in your game.
That's why I said the way to win the game is not be in it, but you have to have knowledge.
You have to have understanding.
So we don't have our members just rush out and start doing these things without the knowledge.
This is what it takes You know, it takes commitment, it takes the time to study what's required so one is knowledgeable and prepared to interface with the system.
Okay, so let me give you an example because I have interviewed Sean David Morton and I'm in touch with him and I can tell you that in his court case, he was not allowed to speak.
He was restrained by two men on either side of him, maybe more than two.
And every time he tried to stand up to defend himself, they forced him to sit down.
So in other words, they basically did illegal things.
Stop there.
I understand why you're saying that.
I understand why he thinks that.
This is why I said I don't agree with him.
Right.
But I don't respect him because his work is extremely valuable.
But he didn't understand the issue of status because he was brought in there as a bondage surety to a debtor franchise.
So you're saying he has no rights in that situation?
He has none of that.
See, whether he represented himself or he had an attorney, Either way, the attorney is an officer of the court.
It is actually holding a bar oath, which goes back to the City of London, goes to where the law is actually controlled, which is a place called the Four Inns of Court.
And they are there as captains of a ship.
You know how attorneys are called esquires, right?
Yes.
Okay.
Well, the term Esquire is a title of nobility, and it also minimally means you have achieved the rank of captain.
So Esquires are actually attorneys or captains of a ship, and they're actually operating under something called letters of mark and reprisal.
Now, a letter of mark is actually mentioned in the Constitution.
Congress has the power to issue letters of marque and reprisal, but those are only able to be issued during times of war.
But are we in a time of war?
Yes, we're now in a virtually perpetual time of war against terror.
But we've been in wars against poverty, wars against drugs, wars against this, that, and the other since 1933.
We're in a declared state of emergency war powers.
So the sovereign, which is embodied in this country in the executive office of the commander-in-chief, has the authority to issue letters of mark and reprisal, which means one sovereign As the authority,
this is the law of the sea, because we're talking about boats on the sea, to issue a letter of mark and reprise to a captain of a ship to board the vessel of an enemy combatant flying the flag of an enemy sovereign.
If England is in war against France, the two enemy sovereigns, their ships carry their flags, right?
So a British flagship can Hearing a letter of marking reprisal can board the flag of the enemy combatant.
This is why everything has been constructed for the U.S. person to be an enemy of the state.
Because when I say we operate this franchise in commerce, it is literally constructed.
This is where a lot of the esoteric stuff comes in.
We are lost at sea, and it's a sea of commerce, and we're floating on a commercial vessel.
And I can show you exactly, you know, chapter and verse in the system where this is structured.
Well, actually, Jordan Maxwell addresses that as well.
Absolutely.
And so does David Windmiller.
So I hear you, and I understand that.
Now, the So what you're saying, just to get back to the really, you know, sort of hard, fast answer, is that Sean was already in a state of war.
He had no rights.
He was a whatever you...
He was a belligerent because he was going against those codes, and I talked about earlier, for operating the franchise.
And so the charge that was issued against him carried what's called a penal sum or a penalty commercial value.
And if convicted, then he as a surety is going to have to pay the fine or do the time to pay off that penal sum.
So his commercial vessel was arrested.
Because the term arrest is an admiralty term.
So the vessel is arrested, brought into the port, to the portmaster, which is the courthouse and the judge.
Okay, but does it matter that he was, you know, he had done some of these things that you talk about, and I... Yeah, but not completely.
Oh, really?
Okay.
Yeah, and that's the issue.
We have so many tentacles into us that literally every time we Every time we walk out the door, every time we turn on the car, every time we go to a gas station, use a credit card or a debit card, we are reaffirming the tentacles of attachment for us to be what I've described.
And so unfortunately, many people such as Sean and others who have vast amounts of knowledge of how the system works fail to understand the issue of status.
And once they get brought into court and they've been arrested or the vessel's arrested, they're the bonded charity, they are automatically represented by some form of attorney.
Whether it's an attorney they hire, a court-appointed attorney, or if they act pro se representing themselves, they're still acting in an attorney capacity.
And if you read the definition of who an attorney can represent, It's only three things.
An infant, an imbecile, or an incompetent.
And that's why when you describe he was told to sit down and shut up and he couldn't say anything is because the court sees him as those three things.
An incompetent, an imbecile, and an infant or a minor.
A minor has no standing.
And so illegal guardianship is imposed by the prosecutor and the defending attorney and the court To control the public vessel in order to settle the charge.
Okay.
Now, I appreciate the logic of what you're saying.
However, I am wondering about really how viable it is, even on the planet.
Now, you have to teach...
Everyone had to deal with all of this.
And I've often thought of this.
In other words, I think in a certain sense, my view is that you are also, in a certain way, you're accepting their version of reality in order to deal with it.
And so at some point, you have to meet with that reality.
And you have to meet it by conforming and creating whatever it is you create to deal with it.
Now, can you tell me how many people are in your society?
How many people who have successfully done all of this?
And do people get arrested on a regular basis and have to deal with that situation?
Because I think there's absolutely no way that the planet and the individuals on this planet are going to adopt this kind of a system that is basically having to kind of learn so much because you're talking about Yeah, and I appreciate that, and I've given that a lot of thought.
First of all, to answer your questions, we have about 1,200 members in the society.
I would say about 400 to 500 are active, but we are growing literally every day.
And I expect those numbers to rise pretty steadily.
We have about 150 people doing this process.
It has taken me all of the 28 years that I've been immersed in all of this, studying it, applying it to myself, doing many, many Such as Sean Morton's and many others, but going through the layers until I got to this point of seeing the clarity of what we're talking about.
I understand that it takes a very aggressive or advanced intellectual Commitment and process to put one's head around this.
It's not for everybody, you know.
But see, I see the world again in a quantum sense of things.
It's a holographic reality, which I think you can relate and understand to that concept.
When I started out 25 to 28 years ago, as I said, you know, I had to travel a thousand miles to find somebody to talk to about this stuff.
Now there are literally millions of people out there talking about it, learning about it, and trying to apply it.
So we have progressed in the hologram of reintegrating who we really are, the way I described it in the beginning, as creator beings who really have the superior power to create our reality.
The way I see it is In the nature of a hologram, the part holds the template and interfaces as a microcosm with the whole as the macrocosm.
So every time a being Transforms themselves through integrating this work and moving through the layers of distortion and obfuscation and lies and all the rest of it.
It is advancing this shift in the consciousness in the world.
I don't see that we need millions and millions of people to do this at the level that we have to.
We are literally blazing a trail here.
We are shifting consciousness-enhanced reality by integrating the understanding through the apocalyptic revelation of where we are really entrapped in this world.
Do we have to play by the rules?
Well, yes, at this point we do.
We have to shift through Within.
We cannot just walk away.
We could walk away, like I said, like people just said, okay, I'm not going to participate.
But then we're not really affecting change in the larger whole.
Right.
Well, okay.
So what about this notion that the state, you know, I don't know what words to use, but The Illuminati, for all intents and purposes, the dark magicians, etc., and this whole system that we know is set up, call it the Matrix.
Basically, they also operate outside the law.
So whereas they do have all this codified system and all this nonsense going on, At the same time, they break their laws constantly.
They don't act according to them.
And they are above the law.
This is how they view themselves.
And I actually interview and investigate people on this level a lot.
And so I can tell you that they do it with impunity.
In fact, if you have studied this, you will know that actually from the point of view of an Illuminati, Breaking the law is the point.
In other words, that's what they thrive on.
They thrive on being above their own laws of breaking any laws that exist and they made and all that kind of nonsense.
So you're kind of talking about dealing with a system that they don't even deal with because they are above it.
Behave as if they are above it.
And of course, money does smooth that way for them.
But it's also what you might call influence.
The fact that they're in an old boys network going back ages and et cetera, et cetera.
So now how do you deal with that situation?
Well, I would separate that into two levels.
I understand exactly why you're saying what you say, that they don't follow the law.
But if one really understands what I've been describing, and remember, I said that I'm synthesizing, distilling 5,000 years of law and history into two hours.
So we're really just touching on the surface.
But when somebody puts their head around and really understands how the system is set up, in large part, most players within the system are actually following their legal requirements.
Yes, at the top level of the elite, they do what they will.
But that operates at a different level because, for one, they are not in this containment field, the civil system, the public, bankrupt entities, and so forth.
They've risen above it, so to speak.
You go back into the esoteric, go back to Egyptian schools of...
Esotericism all the way up to the present.
They're taught how to integrate the left and the right side of the brain and how to see it in a whole system and how to rise above it and use, that's why I described the black and white checkerboard, use black against white.
They don't care.
They're not on a side because if you're on a side, you are...
Polarize.
They rise above it.
Yes, there is technically a lot of fraud in the system, but in many, many respects, when you boil it down to the essence of what I've described in this call, and you see it for what it is, they actually do follow their legal requirements.
And to your question, how many people are doing this?
How many people have gone through it completely?
And how many get arrested?
We only have about 150 people at various stages doing the process.
In the Pantera Society, in our status correction, I'm the most advanced in it.
And I've been doing all this stuff for...
25 years and never had to go to court on any of these issues, never could be drawn in by the IRS or any other systems.
We have been acid tested or road tested in relatively recent years.
They have put their attention on Pantera and me.
I'm here to tell the tale.
One of the things that I direct people, caution people very significantly is not to press the envelope.
Overall, everything else we tell people follow the law.
If you are still within the legal system, you follow the legal system.
You don't do things that many people have done in the past that have gotten themselves in trouble or gotten themselves in jail.
But once somebody has Separated, declared their status and starts moving in the direction I've described.
None of our people have been arrested or had any of the problems that you're indicating because there are ways when I say the way to win the game is not to play it.
This turns everything around.
It basically compels performance on the side of the public to follow their codes and statutes, to follow their legal rules.
They are still enfranchised in the system and we are not.
This does not mean...
It's a license to, quote unquote, break the law because there are higher laws and higher principles.
You know, there's basic principles of do no harm and do unto others as you would have to do to yourself.
With this kind of work, this is why we focus on the internal self-transformation.
With this kind of work, there's a direct proportional relationship to the amount of freedom In relationship to the amount of responsibility.
That's the thing I talk about every day, all day long, self-responsibility.
You know, when you use the word sovereign, you ask, do we call ourselves sovereign?
And I say, no.
But freedom is a sense of sovereignty.
And what I define sovereignty as is It's being paramount, self-responsible, self-directive, self-generating, and self-correcting.
Those four principles of responsibility, directing, directorship, self-governing, and correcting is paramount to say one is truly being a sovereign being.
And I understand what you're saying.
And I appreciate that.
Okay.
Sorry to cut you off here, but we are going to have to sort of close this down quickly.
Kind of not too long from now.
And I did want to give the audience a chance to ask you questions if that's okay.
We have a chat room.
I think I mentioned that.
I hope I did in the email.
And so because there's limited time left, what I'm doing is I do want to make the announcement to people.
I have typed it in here, but I want to let people know who are listening.
If you have questions, you want to Come to the chat room on YouTube and ask a question.
Please put it in all caps simply because it makes it easier to distinguish from the general chatter that's been going on that is usually done in lower case.
And so if you do that, then I will read your question and we will give you a chance to see what he has to say.
Now I'm going to look to see.
Some of the questions don't necessarily look like they relate.
So if you can ask a question that relates to what he's been talking about as opposed to just general questions.
So let me see.
Maritime law and its connection to this.
I think you kind of talked briefly, you know, about that being on a ship, etc.
But do you want to address the question the way it's been asked?
Yeah.
Well, to begin that answer, you have to understand that law is not singular.
There are many forms of law, and each form is essentially a jurisdiction.
So Admiralty and Maritime are one jurisdiction, and it's the opposite of the law of the land.
And everything that I've talked about, when we talk about bankruptcy, the civil code, and so forth, this is actually maritime or admiralty law that's been brought by technical gyrations to sort of technically justify that maritime law can be applied to people on the land.
That's why I talk about being lifted off the land and contained in a civil law.
It's a containment field.
Civil goes back to Roman civil law, and it has to do with controlling something called the civitas, or the civil body.
When that civil body is attached to a corporate entity that is in bankruptcy, then admiralty jurisdiction applies.
And that's why we talk about a commercial vessel.
Many of the things that we talk about are actually Admiralty and maritime terminology.
The word arrest is a maritime term.
Insurance is a maritime function.
It was originally done when ships went to And they had to be insured.
So the cargo has, I mean, the ship has a hole and in the hole is the cargo could be black slaves from Africa, or it could be silks and perfumes from India.
Those were insured.
This gets into the esoteric as well, because for example, there's a, a city in Northeast, in Ontario, in Canada called Hull.
H-U-L-L. And this is where all of the documents that create this commercial construct, your birth certificates and all of that, the physical papers are all stored in whole Ontario, Canada.
So there's an esoteric symbolism there that they say, okay, all those persons on those pieces of paper are cargo on a ship.
So why do we have social security insurance?
It's insuring the vessel and insuring the commercial paper that's created off of that vessel, which is monetized debt.
Which circulates in the system as money.
You know, this is why you use, you know, and there's a metaphor of electricity as well as water.
So water runs in rivers.
This goes back to Jordan Maxwell's teachings.
Water runs in a river.
Through what?
Through the banks.
How does it flow?
By a current.
How does electricity flow through a current?
What is our money?
It's currency.
You know, these are all maritime water metaphors and terminology and things like that.
So when they arrest something, they're actually arresting the vessel and bringing it to the port for insurance adjustment to underwrite and settle the charge.
And in an electrical sense, when there's a charge that's built up in a capacitor, it has to discharge.
So, you know, whether it's maritime or electrical, This is how our life force within the body that we generate is being entrained into.
This is why I talked about cryptocurrencies moving into this AI transhumanistic singularity.
It's to bind us to that ultimate of the flow of current of our life force to be contained and controlled by this over lighting AI system.
And it is maritime in nature in terms of the law.
Okay.
Yes.
Very well put.
Okay.
Now, someone is asking if...
This may or may not be completely unrelated, but I'm going to ask it anyway because there are a couple of people asking this question.
They seem to be obsessed with it.
Cloning.
Okay.
So they, I guess they want to know how you view clones and cloning within the way that what you're talking about and have you considered that?
Yeah, I pretty much consider everything that's out there.
Ultimately, cloning has to do with our DNA, right?
One of the limitations that we have all been impaired by is our inability to truly understand who we are in a multidimensional sense of reality.
Most things are seen in a linear concentration.
I talked about time at the beginning, past, present, and future.
I talked about the money going from our greater capacity down into the most minute limitation of being in the electronics of what I just described in the current of electricity.
And there's a literal thing that takes place.
When we are born, Capturing of our DNA takes place.
And now this is happening in many, many ways, but our DNA Is our multidimensional gyroscope, if you will.
It is what grounds us.
DNA is not just a double helical strand inside every cell of the body.
It is a multidimensional system that our consciousness has been disengaged from.
So when cloning takes place, it's not just what we think about in the movies.
This is my perception based on watching and listening to a lot of the disclosure, people who are coming out talking about the underground bases and the cloning and all that stuff, that it has to do with capturing our multi-dimensional capacity to exist in multiple dimensions and Bind that DNA,
not only to monetize it as what I've described here, but to capture it so that they can control our consciousness so that we are not truly online with what we really have the capacity to be.
So do I think that there's physical cloning of another me and so forth?
Yes, I do.
But I think it is as extensive as they'd like to make it No, I don't think so.
I think it operates at a much different level and that our DNA is much more expanded or much more complex, but we just don't have the awareness of that.
So this goes back to what I was saying, that this status correction process is not just about law or not paying taxes or getting out of the matrix.
It has to do with re- Embodying and integrating who we really are.
To withdraw absolutely all consent for them to use any part of us on any dimension, on any timeline, and all the rest of it to utilize, to monetize in any fashion so that we have aggregated our sovereign or integral being capacity.
So part of that is cloning, whether that's physical or multidimensional.
Okay, let me see if, I'm trying to see if there, the chat is going by quickly, so hold on one second here.
Understanding the system involves trust interpretation.
Does your understanding the system involve trust interpretation is the question.
Well, I would say, yeah, there's a matter of trusting me and others who understand it and have been learning along the way that we're guiding our members in the direction of them gaining their own Awareness and their own integration.
We always talk about in terms of oneness.
You know, if somebody is studying with us, we are not telling you just take it for what I say.
Use your intellectual capacity.
Use your being capacity.
You know, run it through your heart so you understand it at a quantum level for yourself.
So yes, it's a matter of trust.
But it's not blind trust.
It's not absolute trust because nobody is being forced to do anything or accept anything.
We are here to guide you in your own investigation, your own education.
And even if many of our members do not do the status correction course, but they're gaining significantly from the expansion of their awareness, opening their eyes to see reality in a way that they didn't see it before.
So, So there is a matter of trust, but that's also why we're a society.
It's not just my word, it's a group of people who are working together, creating a unified field that we're all diversified in our unique and individual ways, but at the same time we have a collective focus, collective purpose, and we're building mutual respect and mutual trust.
Okay, another person wants to know the way they phrase their question is, do you understand the deception of the illusion?
Absolutely.
But I also know that the veils See, I'm going off of my own process, my own life path, and along with Andrea, who we've been together 26 years now, and we've been working side by side, breaking through this.
She's not as focused in the law.
Her work is more internal and multidimensional, and we have very good complements in the way we work and assist each other.
So how we see it is that every step, every layer, Because, you know, how I see reality or how we see reality now compared to 25 years ago is vastly different.
Every step and every layer is like lifting a veil, but you don't lift it by an artificial Something outside of yourself.
You lift it by integrating with it.
This is what for us the term the apocalypse is.
Apocalypse means to split open and to reveal.
We are living in the apocalypse, but it's not a biblical apocalypse or Armageddon.
That's what their script is.
That's what they've been trying to do to collapse the hologram to harvest all of the beings here.
We are countering that with our conscious awareness and the work that we're doing by going through the layers of the veiling.
Every time you move through a veil, you dispel illusion.
You become disillusioned.
You know, you hear people say, well, when I woke up and I learned how screwed up this world was, I became depressed, I became disillusioned.
Well, that's good because you're dispelling the illusion.
But there's many, many layers of that illusion.
I don't purport to say that we've gone through all of them.
We're still in motion.
We're still in process.
And I expect to be doing this for years to come.
And as I discuss the holographic nature of this reality, as we dispel the illusions and we dispense or dispel We have more clarity in our capacity to see reality and to actually start to transform it.
We can't do it individually.
We have to do it as a body, which is why work in the world and work as a unified field or a collective body is important.
Okay, now someone else is asking something related to Sigma-6.
Can you talk about perhaps if there is a relationship between your system and sort of the Sigma-6 philosophy, I guess you might say?
I don't know much about it.
We used to be associated with...
It's used in the military and also a lot of aerospace companies use that.
No, I'm familiar with it, but it's been a long time.
So I would say, no, it's not really like that.
The, you know, training the mind, I mean, ultimately, we are the most advanced, the most powerful technology in this universe.
Who we are as a living being with the DNA that I described earlier and so forth.
The projected externalized technology that we see around us is only just that.
It's an externalized technology that's hierarchically controlled so that it can control us and direct us into what we've talked about, that ultimate singularity.
So to me, there's a lot of systems, you know, You know, that utilize the mind, but abstract the mind from the heart and the true being that we really are.
That if it's not a heart directed and balanced between the mind and the heart and your multidimensional being, then In some way, it's a manipulation.
In some way, it's an externalized technology.
My sense of Sigma-6 and things like that is that it's more like that, although it can be a valuable tool, I'm sure, for organizing businesses or projects or things like that.
But I can't talk more about it because I'm really not familiar with it beyond that.
Okay.
Now, this is going to be my last question that I'll take from the chat.
Someone wants to know, can a solvent Does a solvent traveling outside the United States need a passport?
Yes.
Right now, that's absolutely so.
And if you're asking Is there a passport that we have achieved or attained that's different from a U.S. passport or a private passport that we could travel across borders?
The answer is no.
There was a time where there were passports that were usable.
There was something called the World Service Authority that was pioneered by a man out of World War II, and his name was Gary Davis.
If you look up the That name, World Service Authority, you'll see that they have passports.
And they used to be able to be used for travel.
That has been suppressed and clamped down.
But there are things that we're involved with that are going to open that up again, whether it's that particular passport or other passports, to effectively compel the system to enable us to travel internationally with something other than the U.S. passport.
Again, it's too detailed to go into, but we rearrange our relationship to the passport that we have so that it nullifies the presumption that we have bonded ourselves to what I've described in this conversation.
Yeah, so I carry a U.S. passport but I've also done something in the status correction process which makes that passport separate from the attachment that I've described in this discussion.
Okay, so at this time I want to thank you very much for coming on the show.
It's been quite a fascinating discussion or question answer situation here and I want to thank you very much.
So do you want to give out like a website and contact information?
Yeah.
We have two websites you can look at.
The first one, which is our notice to the world system, the world administrative bodies.
It's something that we went through five or so years ago.
Giving notice to public officials, public bodies or agencies is part of doing these kind of processes.
The PanteraPCA.org website, you can read and see a lot of our foundational documents and all of the notices that we did to the Holy See, the Vatican, the Lord Mayor of the City of London, the United States President, the UN, the World Court.
And basically we gave them notice.
This is who we are as a private society.
This is our court that we retain on the private side with our records and our communications to your jurisdiction.
And so that's on the Pantera.
It's spelled P-A-N-T-E-R-R-A-P-C-A which stands for privatecontractassociation.org.
So you can read a lot there about that.
The other website is called gemstoneuniversity.org.
And it's spelled gemstone like the gemstones, rubies, sapphires, but singular.
Gemstoneuniversity, all one word,.org.
And it's a lot more detail there.
And you can also, if you decide to become a member, you can enroll.
And on the gemstone site is all the private education.
And you can learn a whole lot more about what we've talked about tonight.
Okay, and as far as contacting you, anyone who...
Yeah, the best way is to write to admin, A-D-M-I-N, at panterapca.org.
Okay, great.
And we do have a Gemstone University YouTube site where some of my videos and other things are on.
And we recently started a Gemstone Facebook just for people to connect and interact with some of our members.
Okay.
Very good.
All right.
So thank you again for coming on the show.
It's been very, very, very interesting.
And I appreciate your...
You speak very clearly.
And I think that people will benefit from that.
And I think it's quite...
It's interesting to also hear that you're not necessarily on the exact same road as the information that David Wynn Miller is putting out, but you're also kind of going down that road to some degree and that you have studied along the lines as well.
So thank you very much again and have a great night and I'll let you go.
Okay.
We can do this again sometime and just go into some more detail.
Sounds good.
All right.
Okay.
Thanks, Carrie.
I appreciate it a lot.
Absolutely.
Okay.
Good night.
So that's really quite interesting and very well-spoken, gentlemen.
So at this time, just want to let you know that tomorrow I'll be having Brett Stewart.
He's a remote viewer from Troika originally, who now has a website.
They've changed the URL to, let's see, it's called...
Something intuition.
I think it's not technical intuition.
I'm not sure.
Maybe it is technicalintuition.com.
I have it on my website at any rate.
So if you go to my website, you'll see the banner ad for tomorrow night's show, 7 p.m.
Pacific time.
And he has done a couple of webinars.
He and his remote viewing team We have found a very special esoteric site hidden in the United States underground that contains a pyramid and what he calls an ascension chair.
So he calls this his investigation into Red Dog.
Red Dog's just a name for it.
But basically they've done quite a bit of viewing of that.
They've also viewed the Nazca aliens, if you're not familiar with his work, and they anticipated Prior to when Gaim TV actually went to the site, they remote viewed and saw what they were going to find.
And they were proved correct.
So they did that in advance of when Gaim revealed any of that information that they found.
So it's quite interesting that they...
As remote viewers, their technique seems to be proving correct.
So that'll be tomorrow night, and we'll have some really fascinating discussions, I'm sure.
So thanks for listening and watching.
I want to say that my Egypt trip is a go.
We have the required number of people at this time, but we also have space for more.
So if you're interested, we do have a limited amount of time in which we can bring on some new people.
To, you know, expand our ranks, so to speak.
And everything's on my website, which is projectcamelot.tv or projectcamelotportal.com or projectcamelot.org.
They all go to the same place.
And our website URL gets banned in some countries.
So we have expanded to have three URLs.
And I can say that you can go to the events tab.
All the information, including how to pay for it, is all there, and the itinerary, etc., etc.
So if you're interested in going to Egypt with us, we're going on April 4th for 10 days, and it should be a lot of fun.
This is going to be my fifth or sixth time in Egypt in this life.
And every time it's fascinating and a really amazing experience.
So encourage anyone out there who would like to have a life-changing experience to consider it.
And Maria Wheatley and I did a video all about our Egypt trip and talking about things that we're going to be doing, etc.
Go onto my YouTube channel and just look for that.
It's a very recent interview that I did with Maria just talking about the trip that's upcoming.
So we do need donations.
I am in touch with Mark Richards.
He has had a very hard time of it for the last few months.
Recently received a letter If I'm able to, I'm going to try to scan it and put it on my website.
But in essence, he was basically very, very ill as the result of being shifted out of his normal cell into a group situation.
It was supposed to be lower security, but in essence has made his life miserable.
And they took away a lot of his things such as typewriters and various things that he was able to communicate with people.
And he's made it very difficult for him.
So it's been a very difficult few months.
And I also encourage you to go to their website, which is, I think it's called Earth Defense Headquarters.
There's a banner ad on my website.
If you scroll down, you'll see it.
You can click over.
Purchase and support their work and the writings of Mark Richards.
It would help, I'm sure.
And I want to go and interview him again in March, early.
Very early March.
So I'm trying to raise the funds to do that.
It does cost me money to drive up to Northern California, where he's in prison, and to do all of that.
So would appreciate some help there.
Also, Camelot is running very low on funds to continue operating in this way.
It's a totally pro bono effort, and I need to pay my webmaster and designer slash cameraman for when I go on in-person interviews and also pay my rent and food, etc.
So to keep doing this, it's a labor of love.
I absolutely need more donations, so I would appreciate that help.
So thanks again for watching and listening and have a great night.
And we'll be back, as I say, tomorrow night with Brett Stewart and talking about remote viewing.
Take care.
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